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Sunday, March 08, 2009
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Obama Wants America to Fail
by Kevin McCullough
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"Not letting a good crisis go to waste."

This idea popped up multiple times in the past seven days as multiple members of Obama's administration seemed to be in total agreement. Their conclusion: by not quickly solving the crisis of the American economy, we can create drastic social and structural change. Not surprisingly, this is the path even President Obama alluded to in his Saturday address to the nation.

On Saturday the President challenged his country to see its hard times as a chance to "discover great opportunity in the midst of great crisis."

"That is what we can do and must do today. And I am absolutely confident that is what we will do," Obama said in his address.

But is that what "we the people" hired him to do? To use "great opportunities" to change the face and fabric of the nation?

"We the People" were promised swift and effective action towards getting the markets repaired by President Obama, but they have dropped about 1400 points each week since he's taken power. "We the People" were promised greater fiscal responsibility by candidate Obama, yet his own proposals throw us down a black hole of debt, the likes of which we've never seen in a single year of an administration, much less in the first sixty days of one. "We the People" were promised the greatest commitment ever to oversight of the federal use of the money we send the government. What we've been handed is a series of embarrassing nominations of people who are willing to use the force of a gun to make you pay your taxes, but did not think twice about not paying theirs. "We the People" were told that his push for a stimulus would get people working again, yet barely 3% of it goes to actual job creation and projects that can even be initiated in the next 24 months. "We the People" were promised greater employment fulfillment and more vibrant business and economic outlooks when Obama's administration finally put together their plan to save the lending institutions. What we are dealing with is a greater spike in the unemployment numbers in Obama's first sixty days than was experienced under President Bush in his first seven years. "We the People" were promised an earmark free, pork free, bare bones budget, but as of last count Obama's omnibus bill contained 9200 earmarks.

So I don't find it surprising that recently even Obama supporters are now openly questioning his plan to revive the economy.

As of last month, we know that more than 55% of the American people wanted help for the economy to come primarily through the reduction of taxes. The same poll found that only a little over 20% think more government spending was the answer.

Whoopi Goldberg surprised even herself on The View this week, unintentionally criticizing President Obama's plan to tax the American people into better economic conditions. She doesn't believe that she should have to turn around and write a check to Washington DC for nearly 40% of what she earns.

Who could blame her?

Yet it is important to point out that there are now far more economists on record that have advised the President against larger government and pushed him towards tax relief, than those who supported the increased centralized control of a soft socialism that President Obama seems destined to aim for.

And "We the People" should be asking ourselves why?

If it makes no sense to the free market economists that populate the best economics programs across the nation, if it weakens the ability for the average family to make ends meet, and if it does not increase the number of people actually working, why is President Obama so stubbornly continuing to pursue his economically diabolical plan of destruction?

Because it's part of the master plan to "not let a good crisis go to waste."

President Obama knows the history of recessions and how Americans get out of them. He knows, for example, that if he gave back to the American family in just pure cash handouts what he is instead planning on taxing them (with interest) in the days to come, that the number would loom between $25,000-$65,000 per family, for every family in America.

But pretending to be doing something about the problem is only half the strategy for Obama. He truly intends to see socialized health care, and European styled labor agreements become reality in America. He knows the consequences of doing such things, he's seen all the projections and what the outcomes would be, but he's doing it anyway.

But there is one tiny problem standing in his way to getting there--"We The People!"

He knows that in order to be forced down paths that we don't wish to go, the only way he gets us to change our mind is to create abject suffering and misery.

Then in Venezuelan styled cries for help, he can promise to take America to a better place economically, a place of greater care, a place of true serenity. A place like Venezuela.

Rachel Maddow told Jay Leno this week that she found it "creepy" that someone would want the President's policies to fail.

I find it creepy that Rachel Maddow is so ignorant that she refuses to think analytically concerning her President's plans for this nation. After all she is one of us--"We The People."

President Obama and his team do not intend to solve this crisis as quickly as they possibly could--like he promised on the campaign trail. Instead, his intention is to let us bleed until the whimper we are expressing now finally builds into an all out, gut wrenching, cry of anguish. He does not care what must be done to arrive at that reality, only that we arrive there.

Many think the Obama administration is incompetent, and surely they've proved this, from the vetting of their appointments to handling the limited foreign relationships they've entertained thus far.

But on the domestic agenda they are as sly as foxes, and our future is the henhouse.

And in refusing to allow a "good crisis" to go to waste, the strategic move to remake Amerika anew has begun.

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Thanks alot uninformed voters
Thank you very little for your votes for a socialist as a President. He will most certainly be labeled one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States if there is one after he is done with it. Next time read what the candidates stand for and compare it to those who founded this nation. Government has three jobs: Protect us militarily, deliver the mail and stay the hell out of the way!

Deceit, Distraction & Disinformation

Shoes: IL Mar 10, 2009 - 12:08 PM EST

“But in the end, Obama is NOT stating anything about redistributing wealth, even though... Joe the Plumber comment...make it sound that way.”

Response:

Sometimes, it takes a Democrat to understand a Democrat.

As a Conservative Democrat, I was there when the “The Peoples Party” was taken over in 1972 and . the Party's moral compass out the window.

Obama is only doing what the Chicago Machine taught him to do to get ahead in the modern Democratic Party (Lie, steel and cheat).

The evidence of these activities are on the Internet for everyone one to see. I mean come on, if the man was honest, he would produce his birth certificate (for starters).

When I read what Liberal Democrats say vs what they do, I just shake my head and so, don't be too hard on Shoes, he is just shuffling his feet to the Liberal beat.

Here are the Democrats in there own words and on videos:

http://barackswhitelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/oreilly-gets-f rank.html

http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/09/government-engineered-mo rtgage-crisis-no-racism-here-move-along/

Near the end of this video, Bill Clinton admits Democrats are to blame for the Bank Crisis.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/memory_lane_lyn ching_franklin.html

The banking crisis was deliberately planned as a campaign strategy.

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/john-mccains- 2006-warning-about-todays-financial-crisis/

Chuck Schumer triggered the run on banks at the opportune time;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/07/feds-cite-sc hum.html

Courtesy of MyOpine Location: CA Mar 3, 2009 on a different thread

O'Vomit urinated on the Brits!!!!
He told them to basically take their bust of Churchill and shove it. Then after he's given a hand carved pen made from a wheel spoke of that last English slave ship he gives the Brit a collection of DVDs you can find in Walmart!!! Not even Blu-Ray and in Region One which won't play in the U.K.!!!

Her Wagu-eating Highness also rankled the Brits to the point that they've taken Hitlery's old nickname "Lady MacBeth" and given it to her! What a loser.

=Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

The first link...
http://www.slate.com/id/2203237/pagenum/all/#p2

(hopefully this will just let you click on it, rather than having to copy and paste)

Either way, once you read them and digest the information, you get a much clearer picture about what was being discussed in that 2001 interview, and it actually has NOTHING to do with what you're afraid of Obama "really" thinking.

I cannot force you to read them, but if you would rather be truly and fully informed, rather than relying on out-of-context soundclips and quotes, then read the short articles.

However, if you would rather rely on the sound bites and edited clips, then you'll continue to feel the way you do. I'm just asking you - and anyone else reading this - to keep an open mind and try to understand the whole story. (it's a pretty tall order for many of the TH folk who would rather just slam and throw out slogans, but I'm sure at least some of you can actually comprehend the meaning of the two articles linked, both in this post and my last one.)

WAKE UP!
"not letting a good crisis go to waste"
is all you need to know about why this country is sliding into Socialism and then Communism

OnceAlwaysaMarine...
I'll respond to you since no one else seems to have anything intelligent to say, although Andrea started to sound that way but resorted to overgeneralizing, which tends to get in the way of people on both sides of any argument.

But anyway, I knew I had read an article or two on what Obama meant when he said "redistributive change" in that 2001 interview, and here are two links to read: http://www.slate.com/id/2203237/pagenum/all/#p2
and
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_advisor_p ushes_back_on_redistribution.html

They're both extremely well-written articles that don't pick sides, but rather give you a better understanding of the back-story that Obama was referring to in the interview. Basically the back-story that took place IN THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW but was (conveniently) left out of the soundbites and quotes that you refer to. Take the time to read them, and if you still feel the same way, then as I said before we may never be on the same page about this. But in the end, Obama is NOT stating anything about redistributing wealth, even though the people here on TH like to take one Joe the Plumber comment out of context and make it sound that way. We've always had a progressive tax system, and that in itself is a redistribution of wealth but does not make us socialists. When Obama tries to say that those with more can afford a slightly higher tax rate to help those who are working two jobs just to put food on their kids' table, then I tend to agree with that. And this has ALWAYS been the way with our tax code... And that's why I keep bringing up "tax code" because if you're worried about redistibution of wealth, that's where it all comes back to...

But if you truly want a better understanding of what Obama WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT in that interview, read either or both of those articles I posted the links for. I'm curious about what you think about them...

Socialism
Socialism coming to a nation near and dear to you because you heard Change when you wanted Restoration of our Nation. You wanted Jobs returned to our nation. 48% to 52% for Obama was not overwhelming election for Obama, but how many of you even trust our election system in this nation?
You could have elected and Independent Candidate Don Cordell, but you have been told unless you vote for our enemies, Republicans or Democrats your vote will be wasted. Until you wake up and realize our nation is headed for disaster, and that you have better recall Obama (an illegal immigrant) our nation will go into unrecoverable government controlled everything, that you sure do not want.
When you are 100% dependent upon the government for survival, you will do what ever the government wants you to do, or you will starve to death. You will work where the government assigns you a job, you will live where ever the government moves you as authorized by the Executive Orders that allows the government to establish Martial Law control of our nation.
I thought Americans were smarter than that, but I guess not.
We in California threw out a governor to get Change, well we got change OK, now Arnold has us $56 Billion in debt. I wish he'd quit acting, and become a controller, but I guess he didn't graduate from that class in Acting school.
So do you want to Restore our nation, or Change you never believed could happen to us?

Obama
Had people been listening instead of being struck dumb with awe they would have heard what he wants for the USA. In his Berlin speech, he said " I am a citizen of the world" . Not exactly what I want in someone who's first priority is to protect me from the world, and has a problem with keeping terrorist in jail.
I am however thrilled that he has taken the millstone of globalization off the necks of non globalization republicans, we were sick of carring that unwanted burden, but at least Bush never siad it before he was elected or Gore my have won more votes and then we would already be living under the cap and trade dictatorship and Pelosi and Reed would have already run out of ideas to spend other peoples money. These nuts are in control and when the goverment starts talking about taxing cows because they have gas and air because we breathe it -- we fought a war for independence over a tea tax
why are we taking this crap. And when a 60 year old southerN lady says CRAP ITS CRAP.

Shoes
"But I can only assume that with the chasm between the Top 1-2% of the country growing wider and wider than it has ever been before, that it is not so horrible to suggest that those who have more could maybe, possibly help out those who don't."

Helping others is not a horrible suggestion; most Conservatives give to charity generously. What IS horrible is using the coercive power of the government to FORCE people to help others via confiscatory taxes. Liberals are always whining that we are trying to impose our morality on them, when liberals do it all the time to us!

stop the dictators
only the moderate democrats will be able to stop the bleeding of our treasury.

the republicans voted once for the robbery under herr bush, but balked under barak hussein mohammed obama. (no muslim would leave the name mohammed out of his son's name)(and every 9-11 hijacker had the name mohammed somewhere in that long string of monikers)

i guess i will someday be put in a boxcar for my comments. not alive though.

ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for english

p.s. if you think nixon and clinton's enemy list was long, you should see barry's.

obama quote
obama lauds europeans and disses americans.

'when europeans come to america it is embarrassing. they speak several languages. the americans speak only one.'

and you voted for this guy?

i was born in europe. and in the land of babel you sometimes need several languages just to do business. even if you drive a long haul rig, you could pass thru half a dozen countries in 1 day easily, hearing many languages. this is bad.

in the u.s.a. you could travel for a week and get by on english. this is good.

the headlines should have been: obama slams americans again, but will still win.

adios,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for english you gringo dummies

got berlitz?

p.s. how many languages does god obama speak fluently and not just phrases or hello?
or goddess michele?
or
'when europeans go to the whitewashhouse it is embarrassing . . .'

O wants America to fail?
It's the only way he can control every one and keep his foot holding them tightly. He just to accomplished his political agenda. Just this weekend the dictator Chavez told him to join together in making the U.s. a socialist government. It's weired that he got insulted when the N.Y. reporter asked the chosen messiahs if he was Socialist. He acted kind of out of place answering the question, but answered No, but later he called the reporter to tell him the questions was ridiculous. Why was he so annoyed that he called back? Guilty conscience or the reporter pinch the nerve?
When is going to get the right answer to we the people? God help us from the evil ones.

acorn
where do i apply for a job at acorn?

they seem to be solvent.

maybe i can be a guide at the railway and show the bourgeoisie* which boxcar to enter.
i think those are the ones making 250g/yr.

*the class between the rich and the working as marx explained and lenin and stalin taxed, gulaged, and then slaughtered.

let the revolution begin.
or
meet the new boss.

adios,
ab
lancaster, taxifornia
push 1 for english

feel down?
got blow?

bail brothers
the bailout of AIG is $600 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.A.
if we all bought an insurance policy there, they would still be going broke. this is totally beyond belief.

they are still going broke and demanding more cash.

gm will go into bankruptcy soon. after billions. after the whitewashhouse was warned of this outcome.

i can think of no better way to start the revolution than by breaking the peoples treasury by the traitors on the hill.

my father always said that the united states could never fall to a foreign nation. right.
we fall because of the traitors inside the walls.

ab
lancaster, kaliforniastan
push 1 for english

"the losers now are later to win . . ."

Why Obama Wants America to Fail
Right on! Kevin. "We the people" must unite against Obama's effort to turn America into a socialistic state.

Oncealways a Marine
Thanks, for taking the time to write a lengthy and clear answer you have made me feel more secure. I do believe I can trust the Armed Services to follow the Constitution and protect the citizens if our president begins to run amok. This may sound silly but I was uneasy. I believe we may have a close shave with chaos if OBAMA has his way.

BINGO, Kevin!!
Thanks for adding another reality-grounded voice stripping Obama of his socialist sheep's clothing.

CharltonHeston
That was pretty funny. But, too close to the truth for my comfort.

Dr Douglass
Dr Douglass is Barack O'Bama

Re: Glowbama!!!
Would it be because this clown is a closet COMMUNIST?????

Shoes 2-a

EXPLICIT in this statement is a change to the Constitution; not "tax codes."

Again, Obama:

"...the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
__________________________________________

His stated problem is not with the "tax code".

His problem is with the Constitutional restriction on the power of the federal government to exercise control over you.

His problem is with the CHARTER of the Constitiution!

Are you willing to have the fundamental Charter of the Constitution reversed by legislative fiat?

I'm not.

FromTheTop1 ... Lame Attempt
That's obviously your take on anyone that disagrees with you.

The top not 1
It just goes to show you how much out of touch you people are. AA's have came along way we are educated, some more then others. We love our country also, it's people like you that keep putting AA's in this box like we don't have a say. That's simply not true, we've made long strides in life just to fight the little freedom we have and for you people to keep on judging us by our color is just out right unacceptable. Oneday you people will have to include AA's in your small life. Please change your wicked ways.

Shoes 1-a

Location: IL
Reply # 2
Date: Mar 9, 2009 - 6:18 PM EST OnceAlwaysaMarine...
"There have been many changes in the law since the constitution was first adopted, but all of the laws that were passed did not have to become actual amendments to the Constitution. Only those that directly changed, or altered the meaning of the Constitution. So if Obama wants to make fundamental changes in the tax code,.."
_____________________________________________

When Barack Obama made his statement, letting his disagreement with the Constitution be known, he was not referring to the tax code.

He was referring to the foundational basis of the Constitution:


Barack Hussein Obama on the Constitution, continued:

“It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.

In some ways we still suffer from that.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=79225
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GOOD GRIEF SHOES
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MORONIC, FRICKING MIND! THESE SAME WELFARE CHEATS HAVE BEEN ON THE DOLE FOR GENERATIONS! THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO WORK OR FILL OUT AN APPLICATION TO WORK!

BUT THEY KNOW HOW TO HIP-HOP AND FLOP WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING WELFARE!

Conservatism AWOL 2000-2008!!!
Shoes,

MANY conservatives were appalled by Dubya as a president. The alternatives were simply THAT WORSE. Algore? The ultimate policy wonk who believes the AGW fairy tale. John Kerry the phony "war hero" who bought an 8mm camera in Camh Ran Bay to recreate his "exploits" for the voters back home? Warts and all (and there were a LOT of warts) we decided on balance we wanted no part of the alternatives.

Then came the Gang of 14 (RINOs) who helped the Dems ram through some of the worst ideas in the history of bad ideas. McCain-Feingold was among them. We have been beset by RINOs in Congress and a RINO in the Oval Office for 8 years. A BAD combo. At least when Slick Willie was in office they FOUGHT him or FORCED him to sign off on Welfare Reform.

O'Vomit's Porkulus bill contains a mechanism to destroy ALL the gains made in Welfare Reform with the stroke of a pen.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

OnceAlwaysaMarine...
There have been many changes in the law since the constitution was first adopted, but all of the laws that were passed did not have to become actual amendments to the Constitution. Only those that directly changed, or altered the meaning of the Constitution. So if Obama wants to make fundamental changes in the tax code, that is not something in which needs to be an Amendment to the Constitution and it is certainly not anything that flies in the face of the Constitution. The tax code we've had for a LONG time has been one where those with more income pay a higher share. It's been that way for a long time and I don't think that we have been a Socialist economy because of that.

As for his comments on "redistributive change" I can't answer for him. In fact I have heard his explanation in the past, found it satisfactory and since forgotten what his answer even was...although I can easily Google it and get an answer for you...But I can only assume that with the chasm between the Top 1-2% of the country growing wider and wider than it has ever been before, that it is not so horrible to suggest that those who have more could maybe, possibly help out those who don't. And for every "slacker" who is "taking advantage" of the system, you'll find many, many more who are playing by the rules, working several jobs and just need an extra helping hand because they started so far behind, from as far back as their education. If that's so horrible, then we'll never agree on the fundamental issue of helping out our fellow citizens. And trust me, you've defended our great country in uniform so I say that strictly as policy, not to minimalize your service in any possible way.

Shoes 2

“…the founding fathers themselves felt that the Constitution is a living document which would be in need of revisions, otherwise they wouldn't have put written Article V, which describes the way in which Amendments can be made to it.”

While Article V does indeed lay out the rules by which amendments are to be made to the Constitution, Barack Hussein Obama expresses no such respect for abiding by the amendatory process.

His lament was that since the Warren Court didn’t, in its rulings “break free from the ESSENTIAL RESTRAINTS” in the Constitution [in other words subvert; ignore; override through judicial fiat] , then the ‘legislative branch” would be the way to “accomplishing that goal” .

Obviously, in witnessing the policies he is implementing RIGHT NOW, he is showing that the legislative methods he is employing to meet his stated “goal” are NOT, in any way respectful of the grant made in Article V.

Therefore, while he sees this “essential restraint” as being a flaw, he is in direct violation of Article V’s Constitutionally defined method of correcting this perceived flaw.

The answers to all your proceeding questions are, therefore, answered in this way. All the previous corrective amendments to the Constitutional were made in the manner that was written by the Founding Fathers to address the possibility that societal changes may lead to amendments on the original document.

That the Founding Fathers, themselves, wrote these corrective measures into the original document is itself, a testimony to the unflawed nature of the Constitution.

The fact remains that by not using the tools the Constitution made available, to Barack Hussein Obama or anyone else seeking to correct it, Barack Hussein Obama is exercising unlawful authority to affect “redistributive change.”
He is a “subversive.”

Shoes 1

OnceAlwaysaMarine...
First and foremost I respect and thank you for your service to this country. Your bravery surpasses mine by a thousandfold, so thank you.

Thank you, and I'm sure you would have risen to the occassion should you had been called to do so. I will try to answer your questions:
______________________________________________

"When you mention that Obama said the Constitution is fundamentally flawed, it might sound like a horrible thing at face value, but what did he actually mean by that statement?"


Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

...that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.


The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth.

But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

NO! REALLY!
OBOY WANTS THE U.S. TO FAIL! NO WAY! NANCY WANTS US TO FAIL,CHUCK WANTS US TO GET IN THE OVEN AND SHUT-UP.BARNEY WANTS OUR LIL BOYS.COME ON CHICAGO IS SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.PLEASE!OBOY WANTS TO KISS UP TO THE TALIBAN,CAUSE HE LOVES EM.HARRY IS WAVE'N THE FRENCH FLAG,CAUSE HE'S SSSSOOOO SMART.COME ON! IF YOU ARE SOME MINORITY OR RETARDED THEN VOTE DEMOCRAT.THEY'LL PAY YOU TO SUCK AT LIFE!HEIL OBUMA!

OnceAlwaysaMarine...
First and foremost I respect and thank you for your service to this country. Your bravery surpasses mine by a thousandfold, so thank you.

When you mention that Obama said the Constitution is fundamentally flawed, it might sound like a horrible thing at face value, but what did he actually mean by that statement?? For crying out loud, the founding fathers themselves felt that the Constitution is a living document which would be in need of revisions, otherwise they wouldn't have put written Article V, which describes the way in which Amendments can be made to it.

And for all of the greatness of the U.S. Constitution, how can you not say it is fundamentally flawed when in the very 1st Article (section 2) it claims that blacks are only counted as 3/5 of a person?? That it took until 1870 (the 15th Amendment) to even secure a black person's right to vote?? And in so doing, that 15th Amendment further declared that women could still not vote...it wasn't until 1920 (19th Amendment) that women gained the right to vote. So what did people who were STILL so very racist do?? They kept "undesirable" people away from the polls thru intimidation and even poll taxes which they KNEW would prevent blacks from voting because they couldn't afford the tax. It wasn't until 1964 (a mere 45 years ago under the 24th Amendment) that the Poll Tax was abolished.

So as I said, keeping all of that in mind, YES, the U.S. Constitution is probably the greatest document in history. However, that doesn't mean it is without flaws...and that's what Obama was saying. And THAT is why the founding fathers themselves added in the ability to amend their work.

Mike
Evedently you didn't read the article. They saw her on Leno.

Rachel Maddow
Nice to know your columnists are watching the Rachel Maddow show. Maybe will finally see the light.

Capitalism gone wild...
http://www.capitalismgonewild.com/2009/02/electronic-run-on -banks-550-billion.html

Everyone should read this link - makes you wonder if Rep Paul Kanjorksi was being honest and forthright to the American people. Was our financial system under attack on 9/11/08 and BY WHOM???

Joycey

Location: OH
Reply # 5
Date: Mar 9, 2009 - 2:22 PM EST Oncealways a Marine
Do the Marines promise allegience to the Constitution or to the president?
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Joycey,

The Oath
Every Marine’s first commitment.

Marines pledge themselves completely to the Constitution of the United States.

From the day they enlist and throughout their service, the oath every Marine takes is a promise and a reminder of their commitment to the defense of our nation.
_____________________________________________

"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign AND domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same [Constitution] and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the Regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
_______________________________________________

Although we take an oath to obey ORDERS of the President and the officers appointed over us, United States Marines are under NO REQUIREMENT TO OBEY ORDERS WHICH THEY DEEM UNLAWFUL or UNLAWFULLY GIVEN.

Having a President who in his own words, believes the Constitution is a "fundamentally flawed document" and one who believes that Legislative authority ought to be exercised to subvert it' intent on limiting government, creates both an ethical and moral dilemma when it comes to deciding whether he has any LAWFUL authority to call himself: Commander-in-Chief.

beowulfe...
You literally could be one of the dumbest of the dumb. It is pointless to debate anything with you, although I AM proud of you for knowing that a square has 4 sides and for your ability to express your knowledge on that fact. It's hard to debate anyone who doesn't even know what they're debating about: you keep bringing up this food stamp issue as if I said that the program of food stamps doesn't exist anymore. It's the application of them that doesn't exist. Read OnceAlwaysAMarine's post for crying out loud!! He's on YOUR SIDE of the argument and he's telling you that "food stamps" are now on debit cards, not actual stamps. So when 4US wrote that he "saw" people using food stamps, all I did was point out that he was LYING!!! And yet you just can't grasp that can you?? *sigh* I would love to debate the issues with people who understand them...Unfortunately you're not one of them.

Illegals voting?
"So are you now saying that anyone who voted for Barack Obama is not a citizen of the United States of America?"

I'd bet that many of them were not citizens. ACORN made sure of that.

"We are all Americans who love this country..."

No, you're not. Oh, sure, I'm sure you love the real estate that this country sits upon, and you love all the free stuff you get for residing in this country, but a country is an ideology and a set of values as well. An ideology and set of values that you and your Lord and Savior are not shy about proclaiming your hatred for.

Time for Shoes to "own up"
"The President doesn't control the spending...Congress does. And Bush had a Republican Congress for the first 6 years. It's those policies and deficits that you as a Conservative are not willing to own up to."

Here are a few things to "own up to":

In those 6 years of Republican president and Republican congress we had a total of $1.4 trillion in deficits, we created over 8 million jobs, and had the longest streak of economic growth in this nation's history.

Since the Democrats have taken over congress, in just 3 years we have had $2.5 trillion in deficits, lost 3.5 million jobs, and have seen 3 consecutive quarters (and 4 of the last 5 quarters) of economic decline.

Oh, but that's DIFFERENT! All of a sudden, it isn't congress's fault any more, it's now "ALL BOOSH'S FAULT!" right?

And where were the "this is all congress's fault!" cries when we were having budget surpluses?

"Right now it's a Democratic Presidency and Congress...and if it fails..."

The stock market has said the verdict is already in. It is no longer "if it fails", it is "it already failed".

"You cry for tax cuts, when the stimulus bill had huge portions of tax cuts"

Um, no, it didn't. Handing money to people who pay no taxes ain't tax cuts. That's called "welfare".

"yet they chose to add in Republican ideas anyways."

Delusional...that's the only word for you.

"Hmmm...what have Conservatives or Republicans done in the same way??"

McCain/Feingold. Kennedy Health Care. Sarbanes/Oxley....

Shoes proves he's a moron
"I never said the PROGRAM didn't exist. I said that this 4US person did not actually see people turning in food stamps, because the actual stamps DO NOT EXIST. It's a debit card! So a) he's lying!! and b) if you see someone using a debit card, there's no way you'd know if it was a "food stamp debit card" or a regular debit card."

Um, other than the fact that you have to push a different button on the keypad when using the debit card, they also are lebeled what they are, you dolt!

"HA! This is what you honestly believe??"

No, that's what I know.

"Honestly, talking to you is like trying to explain the theorems of geometry to a 4-year old."

As if you understood geometry. "Squares", by the way, are the ones with 4 sides, just so you know.

"You, nor the 4-year old, will ever comprehend the facts unless you stop listening to the raving right-wing pundits who claim that they have your best interests at heart when all they care about are their ratings and how much ad money they get from the sheep who listen to them."

And this coming from the moron who thinks food stamps don't exist.

several people...
OnceAlwaysAMarine...thank you for the link.

eltoro, you said: "We the people didn't vote for him, they the cattle, did!"

So are you now saying that anyone who voted for Barack Obama is not a citizen of the United States of America? They're not counted as part of the "People" that the Constitution of the United States was written for? Only the "Real Americans" who didn't vote for Obama should be counted as Americans??

eltoro, you simply can't admit that it was the American people, in a pretty sizeable majority, who voted Obama into office, can you? We are all Americans who love this country and want to see it thrive and succeed. We may have different views on how to make that happen, but that's what elections are for. To see the majority of American's opinion on what the best road for us is. WE THE PEOPLE chose Obama, whether or not you voted for him personally. I'm not saying you need to agree with him, because you don't. But it was WE THE PEOPLE who elected him POTUS...just as it was WE THE PEOPLE who voted for McCain, but simply not in enough numbers.

Oncealways a Marine
Do the Marines promise allegience to the Constitution or to the president?

A few things...
1) Dr. Douglas,P.H.D., continues to besmirch my good name. Here in Obama's Chicago we have a street gang whose initiation is a severe beating about the head so it swells up, This initiation is known as recieving your P.H.D.-Pumpkin Head Deluxe. Please come to Chicago,upgrade your elitist credentialism, and join the Disciples!
2) The only things in Texas are steers and queers, and Robbie Ranger does not have cowboy or rancher on his resume.
3)Mod Mark-your pizza recipe sounded disgusting, no wonder your kids did not like it. But then you come from New York, where the people know zippo about pizza.

The greater the government spending
the more money it will be forced to print.
This will cause the devaluation of the dollar.
The dollar will not go as far because
Prices will rise.
This will cause the government to stop spending, the market will then recede. That's recession. Follow that up with more government spending. Then recession then spending then recession.

When we finally limit government our economy will stabilize.

In other words the government is messing up and has been messing up our economy. The government is not capable of planning an economy. Even if there were intelligent people in government economies are too complex. They should be left alone unless illegal things are going on.

We don't need the government telling us how to pursue happiness or define happiness for us.
We don't need the government to save us. That is what God is for. The government cannot replace God.

OnceAlwaysAMarine...
Ok, if I was wrong on the money carrying over from one month to the next, then I apologize and take responsibility for my error.

If it does carry over from month to month, that's probably a good thing, rather than have the person spend it on food that they don't want or need and have it go to waste each month. So I'm ok with admitting if I was wrong on that point...but the fact remains that you pointed out all of the other areas that I was CORRECT on. Which proved my point that the 4US guy was simply lying, making up facts in order to gain support from people who don't understand reality.

Thank you for your research and for correcting me on the facts, not just ideological opinions. So my arguments definitely WERE based in fact, and I accept my error on the money carrying over from month to month....which in the end is actually a good thing and is less wasteful than if the money had to be used or lost each month.

Shoes...here's the Link to Link (forgot)
http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/faqs.htm#18

We the people didn't vote for him,
they the cattle, did!

Shoes
Did you read the article? Many conservatives did not agree with Bush or the Republican congress that spent too much. We all can see that it doesn't work. Now BO is doing the same but more and it wont work as well. Why can't you see this? The market is down because of BO. Did you miss him telling consumers to not spend. He didn't say don't borrow, he said don't spend. Did you also miss the many press conferences calling this a crises and offering no "hope" whatsoever? Are you hiding under your blankets?

Shoes..you, too, ASSUME
As of Oct. 1, 2008, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is the new name for the federal Food Stamp Program. The new name reflects the changes we’ve made to meet the needs of our clients, including a focus on nutrition and an increase in benefit amounts. SNAP is the federal name for the program. State programs may have different names.

On their web site they have a link to FAQs: (here is the one on carryover)

18. Do I have to use all my SNAP benefits up in the month that I receive them, or will they be carried over into the next month?

Any benefits that you have remaining in your SNAP EBT account at the end of the month WILL be carried over into the next month. However, if you have not used your EBT card at all for one year, the State will permanently remove your SNAP benefits from your EBT account.
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The money to people who need "food stamps" is now put on a debit card that is only accepted at grocery stores. [TRUE] There are no "stamps", they simply swipe the card and get a certain amount each month, which does not carry over to future months.[FALSE]

I personally think the SNAP (or "food stamp") program is one of the BEST programs the government provides, especially since they have changed it to the debit card format.

Shoes you stated:

"It just frustrates me to see people who cannot make arguments on facts, but rather on made up stories and generalizations that they either ASSUME are true, or in some sick way HOPE are true. You spouted nonsense and lies,..."
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Shoes,
Your insults might be more effective if you would check your OWN ASSUMPTIONS before decrying the ASSUMPTIONS made by others.

smallguy_bigheart
Here's what you're missing. The President doesn't control the spending...Congress does. And Bush had a Republican Congress for the first 6 years. It's those policies and deficits that you as a Conservative are not willing to own up to. Somehow it's still never your ideals and policies at fault, even when you have the Presidency and the Congress behind you.

Right now it's a Democratic Presidency and Congress...and if it fails, at least we can say that we tried our policies and they didn't work. You actually SAW SIX YEARS of your policies and agendas and look at where it got us...yet you just can't admit it being your fault in the least. It's delusional to think that when you are in control of everything and it fails, that it's still someone else's fault...especially Obama's, who wasn't even in office!!!

You cry for tax cuts, when the stimulus bill had huge portions of tax cuts, and still you can't see that as a compromise! Those tax cuts DID NOT have to be in the bill in order to get it passed thru Congress with the D-majorities...yet they chose to add in Republican ideas anyways. Hmmm...what have Conservatives or Republicans done in the same way??

I'm not blaming Bush alone for the messes that we face. There's plenty of blame on all sides to go around...but the fact remains that it was a Republican-controled Congress for the 1st 6 years while Bush was POTUS. And no one's supposed to draw any conclusions from that?? The market was on the way down from Bush's term, and the fact that it's still headed down is not a reflection on Obama (or even on McCain if he had won). When the policies take effect and sink in, we'll see if they helped or not.

Beowulfe...
This is one of the least intelligent responses I could have imagined receiving...Trust me, I'm sure even your Conservative TH friends are thinking to themselves "please don't respond Beowulfe...we don't need your 'help'."

You said "Oh, so because FOOD STAMPS come on a convenient debit card that's freakin' CALLED a 'food stamp debit card', they don't exist?"

I never said the PROGRAM didn't exist. I said that this 4US person did not actually see people turning in food stamps, because the actual stamps DO NOT EXIST. It's a debit card! So a) he's lying!! and b) if you see someone using a debit card, there's no way you'd know if it was a "food stamp debit card" or a regular debit card. So my whole POINT is that 4US was simply making up facts and LYING...and you're one of the sheep who believes it.

You said: "As for the '1400 points per week', that was a bit of sarcasm, you dolt."

HA! This is what you honestly believe?? That in an article supposedly backed by facts and figures, that this guy is simply making up the facts and figures to use as SARCASM?! :) ...Honestly, talking to you is like trying to explain the theorems of geometry to a 4-year old. You, nor the 4-year old, will ever comprehend the facts unless you stop listening to the raving right-wing pundits who claim that they have your best interests at heart when all they care about are their ratings and how much ad money they get from the sheep who listen to them.

Have you no sole?
shoes.

Shoes
The biggest problem with your analysis is that you assume that because Bush was a Republican he managed fiscal policy as a Conservative. Unfortunately that wasn't true, and if you really read TH as much as you imply, you would know that most of us hear were deeply critical of Bush when he strayed from conservative philosophy. That being said, if the Bush tax cuts had been made permanent and Bush had been allowed to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when he tried to (although he clearly didn't put enough effort into either proposition) the current mess wouldn't be nearly as bad. But the tax cuts weren't made permanent so no one could make long-term plans based on them and Fannie and Freddie continued to cover up the cancer eating away at our financial system. And Bush, he spent way too much money, especially with the TARP, which was anything by conservative. Which is why it failed.

Get your facts sraight and cut the partisan smearing. Bush wasn't a true concervative, especially fiscally, so don't try to paint his economic failures as conserative failures. They weren't.

We the People
"We the People" want Obama out NOW. The Rachel Maddow types think that with their model in place, they will be on top with the elites, but that is a fatal error. If George Soros, Obama's puppet master, wants Maddow and others like her out of the way, they are under the bus right now. After all, people like her are just entertainers, useful for a while but worth nothing in the long run. If George Soros, the son of European Jews, can collaborate with the Nazis to steal Jewish property, he will stop at nothing to get his way.

Wrat Wrangler...
I've lost money, too. A LOT of it, both in the market and in having to double-mortgage because we couldn't sell my wife's condo (due to the crappy housing market) for more than 2 years when we got married. So this isn't Obama's fault, although you just love to place blame ANYWHERE but on your Conservative ideals that have been in place for the last 8 years... I've taken a huge beating financially and my business is in the crapper, but we're doing all we can to hold on. That's all anyone can do.

So stop pointing fingers and "work harder" as that's apparently your answer to everyone who can't afford things like private education or any other number of moronic Conservative ideas.

People DO work hard as I'm sure you do, and your father has...just as I DO and my father has. But I'm not blaming a guy who has only been in office for 7 weeks, instead of the guy who ran it for the last 8 years...only YOU are blind enoguh to do that...well, you and all the TH sheep who would rather believe the drivel of Rush Limbaugh than the facts and reality that is the world around them.

So I'm sorry that you and your family have taken a major hit financially. So have I and mine...along with millions of Americans. But stop blaming the guy who hasn't been in charge and realizing the policies that you think are so wonderful are the policies that caused a lot of these problems.

sorry in advance if this posts twice
for my Many FANS. Here's the newest parody. Written to annoy libs one parody at a time.

Herman's Hermits hit "I'm Henry the Eighth, I am"

I'm 'n Enemy of the State, I am
Enemy of the state, I am, I am
I got Harry and Pelosi to score
They'll do anything I want and more

And every one is an enemy
I wouldn't trust my cabinet or Rahm
I'm your POTUS now, and an enemy
Enemy of the state, I am, I am
Enemy of the state, I am.

I'm 'n Enemy of the State, I am
Enemy of the State, I am I am
Don't you wonder why I've opened the door
To Islamists and Hamas galore?
'Cause every one is our enemy
They don't believe in Freedom or our Land

I'm your POTUS now, and your enemy
Enemy of the state I am I am
Enemy of the state I am.
Yes I am.

Shoes full of shyte:
The Dow on Election day was about 9623 so by now with the combo of pre-immaculation O'Vomit talking the economy into the cr@pper and then SINCE the Immaculation it dropped further we have about a 3 THOUSAND point drop and I lost $22k you useless scrote!! My father who is retired at 75 lost OVER $100k in his retirement funds.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

The Pretender's Nefarious Agenda
Kevin McCullough has hit the bull’s-eye but don't expect citizens to mobilize to remove the impostor in the White House. Too many mesmerized sheep out there. We need more demonstrations of the people's might before our country goes down the toilet!
Posted this right after the election: Thugocracy based on the Commie Model. We the people have a lot to look forward to: 1) Ideology that is completely at odds with the intentions of the Fore Fathers, 2) Carefully concealed deployment of the socialistic agenda that will be rife with corruption and deceit, 3) The systemic dismantling of institutions, not necessarily in name but in the core reasons for their existence, so as to serve this ideology, 4) A rapid decline from super power status to a large banana-obama republic with Castro-like ideology driving its mediocre accomplishments, 5) Social upheaval with high risk for violence, 6) A stagnant economy or worse, and 7) National Security problems up the wazoo.

4US
I read your reply to Hal Donahue with an open mind and ralized it is you who has the closed mind. You believe that if you're able to talk down to a single liberal (on an all-Conservative website, mind you) then you've apparently "won" the battle??

Once again, though, you and other Conservative like the guy who write this article tend to make up their own facts.

You stated: "At the supermarket I stand behind lines of food stamp consumers buying beer, wine and cigarettes with wads of cash. Freeloaders playing the system because of the community organizers who convince people they’re better off letting others work for them."

Well, it's certainly a line that sounds good isn't it?? Except that it's all a hypothetical lie. You say that you've stood in line behind food stamp consumers?? Really?? Because there is no such thing as food stamps anymore! The money to people who need "food stamps" is now put on a debit card that is only accepted at grocery stores. There are no "stamps", they simply swipe the card and get a certain amount each month, which does not carry over to future months.

And then you make the comment about what you see people buying with "wads of cash"... again, this is just fictitious nonsense meant to rile people up. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS!! And if you HAVE seen people buying these things with cash, then it isn't FOOD STAMPS, because as I said, this comes in the form of a card! You don't just get CASH!! And if you saw someone holding cash, HOW IN THE WORLD do you know if they're unemployed or on food stamps?? THEY'RE HOLDING CASH!!!!

It just frustrates me to see people who cannot make arguments on facts, but rather on made up stories and generalizations that they either ASSUME are true, or in some sick way HOPE are true. You spouted nonsense and lies, yet here's the amazing part: your audience on TH are sheep, and will eat it up like grass. So at least you know your audience...

We the people..
Business's are closing, people losing jobs and the powers that be are looking at raising money by increasing taxes on everyone .... mileage tax, eliminating Bush's tax cuts, raising taxes on those who earn $250,000, corporate taxes, all of which hit the middle income families. We are taxed on the food we eat, the money we earn, the money we spend, the energy we use to heat our homes/ cook our food, the homes that we buy and continue to pay taxes on, the cars we drive to get to the jobs that we need so we can pay taxes to the government. We're taxed because we want to be self sufficient, but if not for us there would be no money to give to "the poor", who live far better than "the poor" in Europe, and third world countries, or for the Pork laden bills. We the people have no choice in paying taxes (unless you are a Democratic politician) - we should since WE ARE THE PEOPLE.
There is NO EQUALITY in economics. Someone always has to be better than someone else, it's what makes business's grow - it's called competition. If everyone was the same there would be mediocrity, no innovation and no economic stimulus resulting in no money for the useless, expensive, poorly regulated programs that the Government insists that we need.

Power to the people, and not the Government. Bring on the tea parties!!!!!

Where can I verify the below sentence?
Yet it is important to point out that there are now far more economists on record that have advised the President against larger government and pushed him towards tax relief, than those who supported the increased centralized control of a soft socialism that President Obama seems destined to aim for.


Reply to RTS
"...He wants to be our Hitler..." 100% correct!
AND prior to, and during, the campaign process, Der Fuhrer made many statements indicating his intentions. America's Great Whore Media covered those statements up. So, now here we are. America has been snookered & shtupped. It is good to learn that many Americans are awakening to our situation. Guns & ammo are flying off of the shelves & articles are being written. My biggest concern at this point is that Der Fuhrer's Brown Shirts are being given plenty of time to escalate into The new American S.S. We don't want that to happen. Where the heck is Paul Revere when we need him?

More Conservative "Facts"...
McCullough says: "but [the markets] have dropped about 1400 points each week since [Obama's] taken power."

How are we to ever believe any Conservative when they simply make up their own numbers?? Please explain where this number comes from....

Dow Jones Jan 20, 2009: 8291.98
Dow Jones Mar 9, 2009: 6604.00

In 7 weeks it has dropped a total of 1687.98 points, which is an average of 241.14/week, NOT 1400/week.

I understand that the Dow Jones is just one of the markets, but still, this guy's numbers are over-inflated or simply made-up.

And what did anyone expect? An instant turnaround of the markets?? Policies need to take effect before those kinds of things happen. Just as when the Republicans decided to de-regulate everything in sight, and stop all oversight of banks and lenders, the markets didn't drop overnight...it took time for those bad policies to take effect and hit the critical mass.

This mess is going to take a long time to clean up, but we WILL get past it. The USA will not fold and crumble. We ALL know that!! And while the markets are not instantly jumping up,