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Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why I Am Not a Liberal
by Dennis Prager
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The following is a list of beliefs that I hold. Nearly every one of them was a liberal position until the late 1960s. Not one of them is now.

Such a list is vitally important in order to clarify exactly what positions divide left from right, blue from red, liberal from conservative.

I believe in American exceptionalism, meaning that (a) America has done more than any international organization or institution, and more than any other country, to improve this world; and (b) that American values (specifically, the unique American blending of Enlightenment and Judeo-Christian values) form the finest value system any society has ever devised and lived by.

I believe that the bigger government gets and the more powerful the state becomes, the greater the threat to individual liberty and the greater the likelihood that evil will ensue. In the 20th century, the powerful state, not religion, was the greatest purveyor of evil in the world.

I believe that the levels of taxation advocated by liberals render those taxes a veiled form of theft. "Give me more than half of your honestly earned money or you will be arrested" is legalized thievery.

I believe that government funding of those who can help themselves (e.g., the able-bodied who collect welfare) or who can be helped by non-governmental institutions (such as private charities, family, and friends) hurts them and hurts society.

I believe that the United States of America, from its inception, has been based on the Judeo-Christian value system, not secular Enlightenment values alone, and therefore the secularization of American society will lead to the collapse of America as a great country.

I believe that some murderers should be put death; that allowing all murderers to live does not elevate the value of human life, but mocks it, and that keeping all murderers alive trivializes the evil of murder.

I believe that the American military has done more to preserve and foster goodness and liberty on Earth than all the artists and professors in America put together.

I believe that lowering standards to admit minorities mocks the real achievements of members of those minorities.

I believe that when schools give teenagers condoms, it is understood by most teenagers as tacit approval of their engaging in sexual intercourse.

I believe that the assertions that manmade carbon emissions will lead to a global warming that will in turn bring on worldwide disaster are a function of hysteria, just as was the widespread liberal belief that heterosexual AIDS will ravage America.

I believe that marriage must remain what has been in every recorded civilization -- between the two sexes.

I believe that, whatever the reasons for entering Iraq, the American-led removal of Saddam Hussein from power will decrease the sum total of cruelty on Earth.

I believe that the trial lawyers associations and teachers unions, the greatest donors to the Democratic Party, have done great harm to American life -- far more than, let us say, oil companies and pharmaceutical companies, the targets of liberal opprobrium.

I believe that nuclear power, clean coal, and drilling in a tiny and remote frozen part of Alaska and offshore -- along with exploration of other energy alternatives such as wind and solar power -- are immediately necessary.

I believe that school vouchers are more effective than increased spending on public schools in enabling many poorer Americans to give their children better educations.

I believe that while there are racists in America, America is no longer a racist society, and that blaming disproportionate rates of black violence and out-of-wedlock births on white racism is a lie and the greatest single impediment to African-American progress.

I believe that America, which accepts and assimilates foreigners better than any other country in the world, is the least racist, least xenophobic country in the world.

I believe the leftist takeover of the liberal arts departments in nearly every American university has been an intellectual and moral calamity.

I believe that a good man and a good marriage are more important to most women's happiness and personal fulfillment than a good career.

I believe that males and females are inherently different. For example, girls naturally prefer dolls and tea sets to trucks and toy guns -- if you give a girl trucks, she is likely to give them names and take care of them, and if you give a boy trucks, he is likely to crash them into one another.

I believe that when it comes to combating the greatest evils on Earth, such as the genocide in Rwanda, the United Nations has either been useless or an obstacle.

I believe that, generally speaking, Western Europe provides social and moral models to be avoided, not emulated.

I believe that America's children were positively affected by hearing a non-denominational prayer each morning in school, and adversely affected by the removal of all prayer from school.

I believe that liberal educators' removal of school uniforms and/or dress codes has had a terrible impact on students and their education.

I believe that bilingual education does not work, that for the sake of immigrant children and for the sake of the larger society, immersion in the language of the country, meaning English in America, is mandatory.

I believe that English should be declared the national language, and that ballots should not be printed in any language other than English. If one cannot understand English, one is probably not sufficiently knowledgeable to vote intelligently in an English-speaking country.

Finally, I believe that there are millions of Americans who share most of these beliefs who still call themselves "liberal" or "progressive" and who therefore vote Democrat. They do so because they still identify liberalism with pre-1970 liberalism or because they are emotionally attached to the word "liberal."

I share that emotion. But one should vote based on values, not emotions.

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Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 
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prager i need your help!
when i was a little girl i preferred hauling rocks with my dad to mopping the floor with my mom in the kitchen. now i am studying to be a doctor. am i a man?

i want my country back
The founding fathers saw it coming

Prager's Ideals
Barak Obama said a couple of weeks back that America no longer lived up to its potential. He was right, but for all the wrong reasons. Dennis Prager just spelled out the reasons why America is not the country it could be; too many people believe in liberalism!

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Why I'm glad I'm not Kimmy
Your response makes me eternally grateful that I'm not a liberal.

Are you high, Kimmy? Are you a burnout? Are you a hapless gobstopper-brained left wing liberal douchebag?

Now, I'm not one to name-call...oh wait, like you, yes I am, but the only thing you got right was "to be a liberal means you are just plain stupid." Though I would argue its worse than that, at least you were able to learn something. Astonishing.

Here, I'll make you feel better with some liberal mantras:

* Bush lied babies died
* Dick Cheney Darth Vader...ooh classic genius taunt of the left.
* Or here's a good one, (I can hardly keep from laughing at the left)
General Betray-us Get it? No? Let me help you. He's General Petraeus, (that's his name) but they changed it so now it's "Betray-us" See!? No? True, that last part about betraying us is a little muddy, but use your gnarly liberal mental powers to discern the underlying meaning and if you still don't get it, go back to "Bush Lied babies died."

There you go. All better now?

Now back away from that bong so you can sober up and get on with your obviously arrested development. Otherwise, (to quote one of my favorite liberal idiots) you'll continue to be a "moron."

Sing His Praise at Saddleback
Since no one else has done it let me be the first. Although I really liked Obama at Saddleback last night, I liked McCain more. Yes, Obama gave a good answer about his personal failings talking about being self-absorbed and rising above, great, and he's a forthright and honest man, but still a Ted Kennedy liberal just the same.

Did you know all those things that McCain revealed about himself, maybe, but they all just fell in place for me as Rick Warren interviewed him. What did he say about when life begins? Which were those supreme court judges that he didn't care much for? How about the definition of marriage? Remember what the toughest decision he ever made was? If he is elected and appoints 2 or 3 supreme court judges where do you think Roe vs Wade will be? And if is opponent is elected?

I also believe in a value centered America, as John McCain does. Not the give-the-little-guy a-break America of Obama. Yea, I think the country can promote the common good by giving the little guy a break. But this country was built on biblical values of hard work and integrity, and that's how I'm going to cast my vote. Then, may God bless America.


Right on Dennis!
Libs are mentally unstable and unbalanced and are going to be the destruction of this country if we don't stop them immediately!

"The Liberal Mind" by Dr. Lyle Rossiter explains what conservatives already know about Libs and their convoluted and idiotic reasoning.
A must read for all true patriotic Americans.

Thanks Dennis - one of the good jews
Dennis - i appreciate your support for Judeo-Christian values and the US Constitution. Especially given that jews have been at the forefront of communist movements in every nation and in pushing an anti-Christian agenda of race mixing, integration, atheism, socialism, and every other leftist ploy to undermine, dilute, mongrelise and annihilate Christian nations such as the UK, America, South Africa, etc
So thanks for being one of the good jews.

Dutch
I am morally superior to others. Just thought you would like to know...

Subject: Bureaucratic Tyranny by egon
egon wrote "America has reached a point where Bureaucracies are in charge, regardless of who is elected. Our governments, Federal, State and Municipal, are run by bureaucrats who spend most of their efforts towards justifying their bloated existence while pressing for even more control. Bureaucracies are, by their very nature, extremely harmful to individual freedom and prosperity.
Most of our out of control bureaucracies are having a negative effect on our collective lives by eroding our freedoms, once taken for granted.
The only institution we have left with some degree of integrity is our Military."
This was a great post. Bureaucracies are their own animal. They do everything they can to keep their tax payer paid pay checks coming in despite who is in the White House. Of course, they fight harder against Republicans as it is Republicans who are more likely to try to put them on a fiscal diet (or get rid of them altogether). Look at how much success Reagan had at getting rid of the Dept of Education. The more we let Bureaucracies grow the more they demand of our hard earned paychecks and the less freedom we have. Those who work for government have no true appreciation of free markets, the risk involved in bringing quality products and services to market, and the work ethic which built this great country.

Brantley
You're ignorance of history and the bible is appalling. I could write a book in reply to your rants. But to address just one error; the bible contains just over 780,000 words. So your claim that it contains the word "amen" 7000,000 times is ridiculous.

Brantly - your words have little truth
The anti-religious left wants to claim our founders were never Christians but Hitler was; that alone tells us the irresponsible reasoning of the far left.

In Hitler’s own words, he called Christianity a “scourge”, “a rebellion against nature”, and much more. “Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery” (Hitler). Oh by the way, he murdered 6 million Jews. To the sick thinking of the left, that is the work of “a Christian”. What leftist rubbish.

Our country was not founded on muslim values, but on the values found in the Bible. If you cannot accept fact, tough, it remains fact. The far left, the anti-religious, self-gratifying, anti-capitalist, Marxist left, all hate our Judeo-Christian value system. But it is ours and always has been.

And your war on tearing it down, along with all the lies, and trashing our values, will never go unopposed.

brantley
Writes and sounds just like Mellor SJ2, exactly. Probably the same person.

brantley
Writes and sounds just like Mellor SJ2, exactly. Probably the same person.

Harry
So I replied to the post you had about someone needing to grow up and being close minded. I put it on my blog cause I couldn't squeeze it down to the right number of words. Maybe you'd check it out?

During writing that I see you wrote another comment, what books do I need to read? What did you think of the Koran? Have you read the bible? Did you know that the bible uses the word Amen something like 700,000 times? Interesting anyways but irrelevant.

But can I judge you by the bible then?

Who were these non-Christians, and how did they control what these people did? It was the Christians that actually did the deed, not their non-Christian controllers, wasn’t it? I’m not saying the Muslims didn’t have a hand in that section of time, but don’t pretend there weren’t Christians. Or what about the Spanish Inquisition?

1300 years, actually it’s been going on for much longer then that. Isaac and Ishmael? I’d bet they started the squabbling back then.

So wait, you’re saying that 5% of a population is greater then 95%? You’re saying we should stereotype an entire population for a small segment of society? Or maybe you’re saying we should just kill off an entire population because of small portion, say like killing the patient to kill the cancer?

Or do I need to keep growing?

Crusades Christian?
There are several books you need to read.

The Soldiers may have been Christian but they were duped by non-Christians.

I judge the Muslims by the Koran. And yes, I have read it.

This world war we are in has been going on for hundreds of years. And if only 5% of the muslims think like Osama that would be an army exceeding the size of the Axis in WWII. Ibeenanutjob in Tehran, thinks he is going to finish this 1300 year old fight. And he probably will.

Recovering Liberal

ricardoh
I had to edit down so it would fit. But you can find the whole version on my blog here on this site.
- So if it’s their system, how do you know? Are you or were you Muslim? Do you actually know any Muslims? And of course, all people of a religion are prime representatives of that religion right? Hitler was a Christian. The crusades were Christian. The Chinese that rose up to oust the Mongols were Buddhist (oh, that’s Buddha with an h). So you’re judging an entire religion that’s almost as old as yours (presumably) off of what a few people, hell even a few thousand people, believe without trying to learn or experience the rest of that religion? How was that snake-handling church you used to go to? And of course, you don’t judge Islamic people based on your good book, do you? No… of course not, that would make you a heretic, as doesn’t your bible say to leave the judgments to God, and that we are all created in his image and thus deserve the same respect we give him??
- John Adams also said: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…" Treaty of Tripoly, article 11
- Some interesting facts that relate to this statement and the one prior. First, it was Amnesty International that did this study. The 130 million figure is cumulative, with approx 2 million annually. And their study actually found that it transcends religion, but if you insist that religion is the cause, then you’d be surprised to learn that the practice predates both Islam and Christianity. However… the practice today is followed by Muslims, and… Christians!!! So… what now? I would like to make one piece of commentary that 2 million people, that is just about one third of a percent of the global population. In fact, it’s just about one and a half percent of America’s population.
- Was the part about mentally challenged people your addition? Did you really just compare mentally challenged people to dogs?

Do What Works
In on of my careers I taught a rehabilitation class to inmates. I used to tell them that to stay out of the system they have to learn to do what works.

I left the utopian ignorance of extreme liberalism because I began to realize that nothing of modern liberalism promoted goodness or growth or humanity in general.

I was pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-christian, pro-extreme environmentalism, and on & on ad nauseam. Until I began to see that modern liberalism only promotes death & destruction.

Abortion kills. Trillions [literally] on social welfare has killed the black family. The feminist-q....r agenda is destroying the american family. The anti-progress, anti-oil, anti-america agenda of extreme environmentalism and the global warming lie is starving folks in places like Hatii & other 3rd world. [don't tell me it isn't about that, I subscribed to the agenda] And on & on & on!!!

And then we have the self-obsessed, childish, ignorant know nothings talk about OTHERS being
closed-minded.

I will tell them exactly what I used to tell the inmates. YOU NEED TO GROW UP.

Recovering Liberal

Histroy erwitten. Grammatical eRRORS...
Freedom from and freedom of. That seems to be at great debate huh? What's the difference? How about freedom from religious persecution? Better? Perhaps, freedom from being told what religion to believe and how to believe it? So that would be freedom from THAT religion maybe? So I guess I’m rewriting history because yes, I said freedom from religion. But to me, freedom of religion sounds very dangerous. It could mean freedom to allow religion to flourish, or it could mean that it’s freedom without religion. But I guess the rest of my argument stands then?

And for Recovered Lib, I feel your pain, but trust me, it’s not better on the other side. I’m not a liberal, I’m actually a free thinker who doesn’t feel the need to be confined by what others think nor do I subscribe to the rhetoric of any party or system of beliefs. But, I live and work in a very, very conservative state and city. Though a lot of my family is not as conservative, most of my immediate family is quite conservative. I actually have to be careful what I say and who hears it because I could loose my job. How’s that for freedom?

history rewritten
Brantley
Reply # 341
Date: Aug 13, 2008 - 6:23 AM EST

"History shows us that people left Europe seeking freedom from religion..."

Hey Brant, that's "reedom OF religion"

Same here, Dennis
As my pen name suggests, I was born and raised in a very liberal household, city and state. It took years, but finally, liberal lunacy lost its grip on me, thanks be to God.

sigh... I am literally surrounded by liberals (family, friends, relatives, co-workers, acquaintenances, etc.)

In fact, as I type this, in an office across from my desk I am listening to several liberals drone and whine on and on about the election.

First Reason
The first reason the writer is not a liberal is because his salary depends on selling conservative merchandise and propaganda to feed himself. The second reason is the term "liberal" used by political hacks is very far apart from the literal meaning of the word. So the meaning had to change for the chameleon writer/propagandists because their definition of "conservative" to describe their actions is anything but conservative. To them it is "conservative" to revert back to stone-age society of bashing those who disagree with them over the head with a rock---or with the newly-defined term "liberal."

Wes
Were you born a Loudmouth, Ignoramus of a Liberal Coward or did you learn to be one in college like a Typical Liberal.

Atheist Moron
If you don't care, WHY did you take time to read the article and comment on it? what a Heathen Half-Wit!

Liberal's idea of greed
I get a kick out of a liberal's idea of greed. Someone who works hard and goes the extra mile, practices delayed gratification their entire adult life, then gets taxed at a rate anywhere between 40-50%. According to a liberal, these people have the audacity to claim that they are being overtaxed and want a tax cut. These are the people liberals claim are the greedy ones and not the bottom half of income earners, which btw, pay only 3% of the total tax burden in this country. The top 1% of income earners make 17% of all the income, but pay 38% of all the taxes. By the way, after B.O. sticks it to the oil companies in the form of windfall profits taxes, who are you going to rely on when the oil companies just simply raises the price of gasoline to 6$ a gallon? That check he's going to mail to you is just going to go right back in the pockets of the oil companies in the form of higher prices, just like every other time taxes or the minimum wage gets raised. Maybe you all will figure it out one day.

Hal Donahue - wrong again
I said : "... when female genital mutilation is still being practiced in some muslim countries, that is not a Judeo-Christian value system;"

You said: "nor is it a Muslim value system in any why, shape or form"”.

(United Nations): "It is estimated tht over 130 million women have had some form of female genital mutilation performed on them. This practice is often associated with the religion of Islam, and is most often perfomed in Middle Eastern and North African countries."

You said: "no one says equal but they do say respect and right to life".

(PETA): "Animals should have the right to equal consideration of their interests. Animals deserve consideration of their best interests (just as a mentally challenged human has rights)."

That does not jive with Genesis 1:28. The Bible is the primary source of our values with respect to animals; it was never PETA.

The source of our nation's values come from one source - the Bible. But the secular irreligious hate the Bible and their attack on it and many of our values will never stop, nor will their demeaning of the rest of us who seek to strengthen and preserve those values.

"PROCLAIM LIBERTY THROUGHOUT ALL THE LAND UNTO ALL THE INHABITANTS THEREOF LEV. XXV X." (Liberty Bell)

Hal Donahue - you are of course wrong
I said: "When islam teaches hatred of Jews in their schools, that is not a Judeo-Christian value; .."

You said: "You fool. Nor is it an Islamic value Mohammid ALWAYS urged protection for the "people of the book".

They don’t care what you think. They still teach it in their schools. IT IS THEIR value system and they justify it with their Koran, not what you claim you think they are "urging". In fact they are urging the exact opposite - hatred of Jews, and justifying it with the Koran.

An Iranian swimmer in the Olympics refused to compete because a Jew was in the same race. That is THEIR value system and they DO justify it with their value system, which is in fact based on the Koran.

We use a Judeo-Christian value system, the same one this country was founded on. It was not founded on Budda, it was not founded on the Koran, it was founded on the values of the Bible, despite all denials, despite all dismissals, despite all distortions, despite all demeaning and insults of the religious right.

"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited…. What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." (John Adams)

"e who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all." (Samual Adams)

Who cares?
Who cares? what you think Prager?

That statement pretty much sums up the the arrogance of the right wing these days.

They believe someone actually gives two hoots and a holler what they think. They believe respect is birthright, a God given birthright.

But in reality the public believes the right wing is driven by only three things: greed, war and religion. Which pretty much is the same thing for them.

If one wants greed, war and religion in their life then vote Republican.

Nobody cares what you think Prager.

Nobody.

Re: animalgirl
“I believe competent, intelligent people should run the county.”

Like who: Nancy “save the planet” Pelosi? I think we ALL want intelligent people running the country. Duh.

“I believe that grandstanding and reducing complex problems to soundbites is the worst way to address problems.”

You mean like that deeply thoughtful slogan of the Obama campaign: “Change!”
Or how about this one: “We can’t drill our way out of the energy crisis!”
Or the oft repeated, deeply analytical: “Bush lied, people died!”

I guess I’d have to agree with you there.

“…it is in the interest of our society to encourage people to take responsibility for one another through marriage.”

Apparently you missed the meeting where liberals informed us that marriage was “just a piece of paper.” Of course that was when it went against convention, which is what made it appealing to liberals. The only reason that they suddenly believe in marriage again is because of the gay marriage issue which, once again, allows them to go against convention and have a ‘cause.’

“I believe many people fall on hard times and need coordinated systems that help lift them up again.”

It’s always amusing when liberals act as though they just now invented charity. Here’s a news flash for you: we’ve had generous welfare, medical, retirement and jobless benefits for many decades now. As a nation we’ve spent trillions on such programs. And contrary to this picture liberals have of themselves as the generous, caring ones in society, they are on average far less giving and charitable than conservatives as documented by Arthur Brooks in his book “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism,” and by the "Generosity Index" published by the Catalogue for Philanthropy (http://www.crosswalk.com/1296930/).

Animal Girl
1. I believe competent, intelligent people should run the county.
[Agreed, but who defines competent and intelligent?]

2. I believe that grandstanding and reducing complex problems to soundbites is the worst way to address problems.
[Agreed, but what is your alternative?]

3. I believe it isn't the governments business who consenting adults have sex with, and that it is in the interest of our society to encourage people to take responsibility for one another through marriage.
[The issue isn't who has sex with whom, it's what will be sanctioned by society in its own self interest]

4. I believe our healthcare system is broken, and any solution MUST acknowledge that many people who cannot obtain health insurance because of chronic or prior health conditions, and must prevent insurance companies from abusing their customers by refusing to cover important procedures and wiggling out of coverage due to technicalities.
[The problem is government meddling in the first place. Also note that lack of coverage isn't the same as lack of care]

5. I believe many people fall on hard times and need coordinated systems that help lift them up again.
[True, like churches, charities, and neighbors. Not by distant bureaucrats with their own self-interests at the fore.]


6. I believe you can't force democracy on other people. I believe that foreign struggles are almost always extremely complex, and intervention should only occur with the most careful and painstaking preparation.
[You might want to review the democratic governments Japan and Germany current enjoy. They were put in place by force. Seems to be working OK so far. Your premise is false]


There's much more, but those are the basics.
[Glad we could clear that up]

Why I am a liberal
1. I believe competent, intelligent people should run the county.

2. I believe that grandstanding and reducing complex problems to soundbites is the worst way to address problems.

3. I believe it isn't the governments business who consenting adults have sex with, and that it is in the interest of our society to encourage people to take responsibility for one another through marriage.

4. I believe our healthcare system is broken, and any solution MUST acknowledge that many people who cannot obtain health insurance because of chronic or prior health conditions, and must prevent insurance companies from abusing their customers by refusing to cover important procedures and wiggling out of coverage due to technicalities.

5. I believe many people fall on hard times and need coordinated systems that help lift them up again.

6. I believe you can't force democracy on other people. I believe that foreign struggles are almost always extremely complex, and intervention should only occur with the most careful and painstaking preparation.

There's much more, but those are the basics.

in reply to Keith
History shows us that people left Europe seeking freedom from religion, from repression. So why are you trying to stifle them? You seem to want to mandate we all be christian and pray at school. You seem to agree that women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen then out working. You both seem to take the needs of economy over the needs of the planet. You celebrate war while damning trying to avoid it. How is that not repression?

And actually, I feel I do better sitting here, in this country, protecting it from the egomanical hands of people like you who seek to destroy what this country was founded on and send it back to the days we ran from in the 1700's.

I hate stupid people
So I tried to post a comment that wound up being around 17000 characters. That's how much I had to say about this stupidness. I have to question if you ever read the responses to your posts. Do you ever read the blogs in response? I'm sure I'm not the only one. Jeez... just stop. Take your Alzheimer’s meds and be quiet.

bravo bravo
Finally a well stated, concise statement of what most conservatives believe and hold dear. My hats off to Dennis. The Liberals who bash this column are not Liberals, they are leftists who would do better living in the socialist Europe. History is a good reminder of why most of our forefathers left the repression of Europe and other places in the world to seek the freedoms and possibilities of the new world, of America.

Robert the PROFESSIONAL LIAR says,
Merriam Webster Dictionary definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary

Main Entry: lie(verb)

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

---WOBBIE's FIRST ignorant comment---

Ranger29
Location: TX

Reply # 332
Date: Aug 12, 2008 - 11:00 PM EST
"Anne you of course have lied...you said that you could vouch for ensign and cadet and YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that they were the same person."

"you lied."

Robert

---WOBBIE'S SECOND IGNORANT COMMENT---

Ranger29
Location: TX

Reply # 340
Date: Aug 12, 2008 - 11:33 PM EST
"Anne "U" vouched for two people WHO YOU DIDN'T KNOW were the same person."

"that is lying. you got caught."
---END of Wobbie's ignorant comments---

Robert you colossal moron, WHY must you insist on repeatedly making a total fool of yourself?

You have been told, repeatedly, that for Anne to have "lied" she has to have known that

1. the Ensign and the Cadet WERE TWO SEPERATE PEOPLE. They're NOT two people. It was ONE PERSON using TWO DIFFERENT SCREEN NAMES.
So there's no lie there in her vouching for the Ensign.

or

2. She has to have known it was ONE PERSON using TWO DIFFERENT ID's. As YOU even said, in BOTH of your posts that I pasted above, SHE DIDN'T KNOW this.

So there's no lie there either.

I know you're an illiterate moron, but read the M&W dictionary definition at the top of this post.
It says that for what she said to be a lie, or for her to have been lying, SHE WOULD HAVE TO BE INTENDING TO DECEIVE.
I know you're a freaking brain dead moron, but
since she didn't know the facts of the matter, there is NO WAY that she could have been lying, because she didn't intend to decieve anyone. DID SHE you freaking moron??

As the Ensign likes to say, MY GOD ARE YOU STUPID!

Do you understand it yet Robert, or are more people going to have to explain it before it gets into your thick, empty head?

Why I Am Not a Liberal...
Because we liberals don't like bigoted know-it-alls with a way too real superiority complex?

Is that why?

Dennis
Read the posts under your column and then tell us if you really do believe that Republicans are the morally superior. You will find cretins and jerks and mean-spirited people on either side, and you will find moral people both inside and outside of religion and unfortunately immoral people inside of religion also.

I am a conservative. I do not believe that I am morally superior to others. I am a Christian but I know many Christians whom I would not want my children to marry or to work for me or be my social companions.

I also know enough about my founding fathers to know that many would not fit into fundies'idea of what a Christian is but at least most of them let a person decidefor themselves
whether they are a Christian or not rather
than defining it for them.

One more thing Dennis
you forgot to mention. The smug, know it all, superiority complex many liberals seem to possess, when in reality, they are (spiritually) poor, blind and naked.

Anne-Summers
The Sandman is calling. Asta La Vista!

Summers Dahlink!! Don't hold
your breath waiting for Harold to answer your questions. When he finally does his obfuscation is so garbled (done on purpose) that you'll think you are dialoging with a mummy.

Georgetwin: Now you've not been exactly

honest with Summers.

You know that doofus can't provide precise, specific answers EVEN WHEN HE"S SOBER!

He does get sober, right?

Summers, what Georgetwin meant is that doofus may be able to give you some kind of answer... sometime! LOL

Ranger Robert
No matter what Bush has done, he has been far better than AlGore or Hairy Kerry would have been. However, the overbroad statement that the conservatives got us into any wars takes more proof than you have set forth. Were the conservatives the same ones fooling the British, the French, and the Germans at the U.N.? They were all fooled, too, in case you had forgotten. I will be content with your just listing the ways the government has been damaged or ruined.

Summers
Too close to last call for Hal Drunkahue to be bothered now. In case you didn't know, Hal Drunkahue has a drinking problem. He has 2 hands, but only 1 mouth.

Georgetwin: That's for sure, all of them

and one dumber than the next...

Robert the Coward
Bumping ugly with a Neoprene Nymph or a Vinyl Vixen pleases you also. You Wal-Wart Pilots sure live on the edge...OF SANITY!

Harold
I am still waiting for your answers. I want precise, specific answers to the charges you made.

Anne
"Only a non-thinking leftist would put any stock in what she writes"

In other words, ANY OF THEM!

Taft: Mayer is a leftwing nut!

I heard her testify in Congress several weeks ago... Only a non-thinking leftist would put any stock in what she writes....

Anne-LJ7392-Carlos-NNEnsign-Others
Well I see all The Key Liberal Demographics are here. Liars, Cheats, Cowards and Substance Abusers.

Prager
"b) that American values (specifically, the unique American blending of Enlightenment and Judeo-Christian values) form the finest value system any society has ever devised and lived by."

A new book out, The Dark Side, explains just why this sort of nonsense by Prager is so loony. Bush and the Neocons took the concept of torture and made into an American institution, despite heroic Republicans, a Supreme Court and a Nation of liberals fighting it tooth and nail. Fellow Americans its time to get off the the Fox News road to oblivion and become proud again.

Look "Robert", you little twit...

I have neither the time nor the patience to deal with you and your insane little juvenile posts tonight.

You want to talk about "LYING?" I'm sure there is a plethora of posters who would be more than happy to provide a list of your lies and fabrications.

You are no more in the military than I am Queen Elizabeth... you're not fooling anyone.

So, stuff it, you little twit. You're beginning to bore us all. You want to continue to post, and make a complete fool of yourself, go right ahead. If nothing else, you're adding to the post numbers for TH.





Let's just agree to vote for...

The candidate least likely to cause mass celebration in Tehran on election day.

Anne... "headers off his bar stool"...

You're good:)

You know what doofus? When you ramble

on and make the broad nonsensicle, inane, generalizations you make, and behave as ignorantly and childishly as you do... name calling, etc., you make it all too clear that you're not an emotionally well person.

No emotionally and mentally healthy person would spend so much time on any web site for the sole purpose of slinging insults about.

You notice that we Conservatives don't spend hours and hours on huffy-puffy posting insults... Of course, unlike TH that tolerates you and your vile leftist types, the all inclusive left site rip down any Conservative post within a heart beat... (So much for the left.)

Why don't you just give it a rest. Take Slaughter's advice...




Sergeant Slaughter: Sometimes you have

to go easy on ol' halDoofus...

He has no integrity... but he lies about that a lot... the problem is he's take too many headers off his bar stool, and has had too many concussions.... so he doesn't know he's lying.

And besides, he writes for that left wing lunatic website, huffy... you know the one that denigrates our troops.... Yup, that's the one.

The thing is, just as Ann Coulter says, "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans"
I think COuldter had halDoofus in mind when she wrote that.

Hal Donahue
Precisely how have conservatives contributed to 'the decay of the country'?

Specifically how has the military been 'broken'?

Yo NewNavyEnsign! Harold (his real name)
an ex LTC USAF (Ret.) who was forced to retire rather than be RIFFED back to his permanent E-6 rank. He has been accused of hitting the sauce when the going gets tough here on TH. He thinks he's clever with his method of dissecting the conservative posts and making his own inane and mindless comments.

Lumberjack7392
"Date: Aug 12, 2008 - 10:00 PM EST Hal Doofus Rambles On:
two reasons first, they do not want the government in their bodies or homes. Second, the respect competence something conservatives are simpky not capable of

Neither are you and your fellow leftists. "

Even to you doesn't the above sound a bit childish? Pick away but conservatives have done very little but contribute to the decay of the country. Now you have gone and broken the military, typical....

Who's this Hal Donahue idiot?
From reading his posts he sounds even less intelligent than Wobbie/Robert the yellow bellied coward.

And You REALLY have to work at it to be less intelligent than Wobbie.

Hal Doofass
Yes, I own two handguns and two rifles, but I don't need them to feel strong. I inherited them from my Dad. We spent a lot of time together on the ranges, and out in the country shooting, along with shooting trap together. They bring back good memories. BTW the two pistols are locked in a gun safe, and the rifles' bolts are in the safe as well.

Hal Doofus Rambles On:
two reasons first, they do not want the government in their bodies or homes. Second, the respect competence something conservatives are simpky not capable of

Neither are you and your fellow leftists. Hal libs got Congress to mandate the types of lights we have to use in our homes. Lights that require hazmat disposal when they either break or burnout. They want to tell us what kind of foods to eat, how high or low to keep our thermostats, what kind of cars we drive, etc. I'd say leftists like ou want in our homes.

Well Harold! I see your
vacation didn't do much to heal your hemrrhoids. Did you forget and use Icy Hot instead of Prep H again? Ooh I bet that smarted.
All jokin' aside. Glad you are back so we can resume the Pinata game.

Pancho
"...They actually believe in the 2nd Am..."

that is a reflection of their fear and timidity. The poor souls can't organise or plan and need a beeeg gun to cuddle at nite. Kind of like a dog hearing thunder is always well hidden


"Lumberjack7392
Location: TX

...Which many libs despite Heller still don't believe. Just look at how Chicago and D.C. are trying to get around the decision, and its unequvocal statement that the right to bear arms is an individual right. "

see little lumber needs a big watch or gun to feel strong. pathetic really. Serious question lumber does this mean then it is ok to outlaw ammunition or primers?

Who Said,

"Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid?"

Keep up the good work, Hal. Red herring, distraction, fat man at the grill patting down skinny little patties. Sizzling along two part harmony with the grease. (And watching the front door for more police.)


NEConservative
"Date: Aug 12, 2008 - 8:10 PM EST Subject: All The Beliefs Stated By Prager
Are as American As Baseball and Apple Pie...."

Rubbish

"....I just don't get why they won't let go of the moniker and just vote for who is most like them, a Conservative. "

two reasons first, they do not want the government in their bodies or homes. Second, the respect competence something conservatives are simpky not capable of

Phanco writes:
Subject: How convenient
>They actually believe in the 2nd Am. and Christ<

In one sentence you use the Constitution, then ignore it, since a belief in Christ, or rather a non-belief, is just as Constitutionally protected
the right to bear arms.

Which many libs despite Heller still don't believe. Just look at how Chicago and D.C. are trying to get around the decision, and its unequvocal statement that the right to bear arms is an individual right.

Sergeant Slaughter

"Date: Aug 12, 2008 - 9:02 PM EST ....Many of us here are christian, and those who aren't, are respectful of the beliefs of those who are and do not ridicule the christians for their beliefs."

I am so glad that you didn't say "Christian" lower case may well work... I will not stand quietly by while some "fool" is a good word claims he is a "christian" while uttering hate - that is a lie

"..If you do not like that, and if you do not like hearing about christian beliefs, then you are the one who needs to go."

Not until booted I am here to wave the BS flag to you pretenders

"Why stay somewhere amongst company you don't care for?"

it is my mission

"Show some integrity and leave."

I have integrity and no I am not leaving

"'Nuff said.

Fall out! "

actually not quite my comic book character. What next? You going to call yourself another fake hero like John Wayne?

Jeanne
>WASHINGTON, Aug 12 (Reuters) - U.S. oil demand during the first half of 2008 fell by an average 800,000 barrels per day compared to the same period a year ago, the biggest volume decline in 26 years, the Energy Information Administration said on Tuesday.<

Was you very existence threatened by this drop in oil use?