Thomas Sowell
The "Costs" of Medical Care

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We are incessantly being told that the cost of medical care is "too high"-- either absolutely or as a growing percentage of our incomes. But nothing that is being proposed by the government is likely to lower those costs, and much that is being proposed is almost certain to increase the costs.

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There is a fundamental difference between reducing costs and simply shifting costs around, like a pea in a shell game at a carnival. Costs are not reduced simply because you pay less at a doctor's office and more in taxes-- or more in insurance premiums, or more in higher prices for other goods and services that you buy, because the government has put the costs on businesses that pass those costs on to you.

Costs are not reduced simply because you don't pay them. It would undoubtedly be cheaper for me to do without the medications that keep me alive and more vigorous in my old age than people of a similar age were in generations past.

Letting old people die would undoubtedly be cheaper than keeping them alive-- but that does not mean that the costs have gone down. It just means that we refuse to pay the costs. Instead, we pay the consequences. There is no free lunch.

Providing free lunches to people who go to hospital emergency rooms is one of the reasons for the current high costs of medical care for others. Politicians mandating what insurance companies must cover is another free lunch that leads to higher premiums for medical insurance-- and fewer people who can afford it.

Despite all the demonizing of insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies or doctors for what they charge, the fundamental costs of goods and services are the costs of producing them.

If highly paid chief executives of insurance companies or pharmaceutical companies agreed to work free of charge, it would make very little difference in the cost of insurance or medications. If doctors' incomes were cut in half, that would not lower the cost of producing doctors through years of expensive training in medical schools and hospitals, nor the overhead costs of running doctors' offices.

What it would do is reduce the number of very able people who are willing to take on the high costs of a medical education when the return on that investment is greatly reduced and the aggravations of dealing with government bureaucrats are added to the burdens of the work.

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Alex Wrote: Nov 09, 2009 2:57 PM
You think those who are willing to sacrifice to afford health insurance wouldn't like lower costs? The thing is, there are better ways of achieving that then letting the government (who couldn't save money if their lives depended on it) take over.

Like allowing trade across state lines (like congress is supposed to ensure). Putting a cap on malpractice suits. That would lower malpractice insurance costs, which would decrease doctors' and hospitals' overhead allowing them to charge less for routine procedures.

There are worlds of ways to lower health care costs. They just don't include socialism.
john Wrote: Nov 05, 2009 9:39 PM
People with "insurance" don't have any skin in the game. There is no motivation to seek lower prices.

This statement ignores co-payment and/or policy deductibles. I have a neurological condition that can only be seen by MRI. I have convinced my Neurosurgeon to avoid the last 3 MRI "reshoots", relying on the original shoot. Even with my retiree/disabled "cadillac" plan each of the three deferred shots would have cost me about $1200 apiece.

We need more MRI's not less. Lower the costs of preventative medicine. If MRI's are not in themselves dangerous, shouldn't every doctor's office have one?

I am unaware of any preventative medical applications by MRI. Their very name implies use as diagnostic by design. All MRI clinics have on their staff MDs trained to review and diagnose from the results. I'd rather have a "full time" Neurosurgeon vice a part time MRI reader.

America has too few doctors (2.4/1000). We need more. Build more medical schools, make the cost of medical education cheaper.

True, true, and wait a minute. Until public schools return to teaching real science (instead of apocalyptical fantasies), math, etc. any new schools would be filled with students who lack the vigor and scholastic skills needed to excel at medicine. Further, free schooling will likely have Federal strings attached.

Ideas that have not shown up in any plans I have seen from our elected representatives. These ideas might actually drive costs AND prices down.

What a wonder.

The debate is not about controlling costs, it is a ruthless power grab, nothing less.
Brian H Wrote: Nov 04, 2009 8:49 PM
Hear, hear!

As evidence that you get what you pay for: absent gunshot and car crash fatalities, the US is #1 in lifespan, world-wide, and has been for some time.
greg Wrote: Nov 04, 2009 12:53 PM
Why don't you see sales and specials for routine medical services or insurance like in retail, like target and wal-mart? Government already sets the prices. If I decide that I want a bigger share of a given procedure, why doesn't it make sense for me to offer some special rate for a limited time? This would be a great way for a new doc to introduce himself to a community and get a reputation as someone who doesn't worship the dollar the way some of his older and more established colleagues do. This is because medicare sets the prices. If I lower my rates to gain market share or for any other reason,for that matter, medicare sets that rate permanently and won't allow you to raise it again. Also, because there is no real competition between insurance companies b/c they can't freely compete across state lines they have no incentive to respond to such marketing devices and pass any savings along to the consumer. They too will take the cut and make it permanent. That is why the prices keep going up and never down.
Stephen Wrote: Nov 04, 2009 8:57 AM
Mirrors and Smoke!!! Trademark method of the libs!!!


Steve,
Sarasota, Fl
R Wrote: Nov 04, 2009 6:49 AM
If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it's free. The left offers the happy delusion that everything can be free. A free market forces us to face reality, and optimizes the production of services and goods through competition. The Democrats don't seem to understand the meaning of the word competition - they use it to mean the opposite, as in "a public option would provide some competition for private insurance." The only way to stop this abomination is to make it absolutely clear to our representatives that THEY WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE IF THEY SUPPORT IT. There is a website where you can pledge to vote against politicians supporting the bill. Representatives will then be informed of how many votes they are losing. It is called http://www.PledgeOfLiberty.com

Richard Wrote: Nov 04, 2009 3:46 AM
whole helluvalotta fine posts here! wry wit of the week award goes to Ted: Nov 3, 2009 - 9:05 AM EST (praphrasing)

"...can't turn a profit on hookers and hooch"

priceless.

who said nothin's free?
Does Mohammed Shiite In The Woods? Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 10:42 PM


NBC's "The Biggest Loser" is at the White House tonight. This is not a joke.

about 2 hours ago from web
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Does Mohammed Shiite In The Woods? Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 10:37 PM
ROME (Reuters) – The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Tuesday that crucifixes should be removed from Italian classrooms, prompting Vatican anger and sparking uproar in Italy, where such icons are embedded in the national psyche.

"The ruling of the European court was received in the Vatican with shock and sadness," said Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi, adding that it was "wrong and myopic" to try to exclude a symbol of charity from education.

The ruling by the court in Strasbourg, which Italy said it would appeal, said crucifixes on school walls -- a common sight that is part of every Italian's life -- could disturb children who were not Christians.

Italy has been in the throes of national debate on how to deal with a growing population of immigrants, mostly Muslims, and the court sentence is likely to become another battle cry for the center-right government's policy to restrict newcomers.

"This is an abhorrent ruling," said Rocco Buttiglione, a former culture minister who helped write papal encyclicals.

"It must be rejected with firmness. Italy has its culture, its traditions and its history. Those who come among us must understand and accept this culture and this history," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091103/wl_nm/us_italy_court_cr ucifix
Eileen Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 10:28 PM
I am disgusted already with governments interfering in my health care costs. I am sick to think what will happen if this bill is shoved down our throats. My husband and I are retired. When he retired, we started paying the half of our health insurance cost that his employer paid while he was working. That raised our cost to $165.00 a month. It is excellent insurance. Then, when he reached 65 we started getting notices that our medical bills were not being paid because we were not a part of Medicare B. We did not know that we HAD to BUY medicaid B, whether we needed or wanted it. The result was we were actually fined for not signing up for it, we acquired a debt for these bills that our regular insurance couldn't pay because of Fed. regulations AND we now have to pay an additional $200 a month for Medicare B more than doubling our health insurance costs from $165.00 to $365 a month. For what?! We do not need or want this, we do not have medical expenses for the most part that require us paying out even $365.00 a year let alone a month. What a rip off! At least now, we can get whatever care we might need or want. That won't be the case if Obamanation Care is forced on us.
enemaofthestatistquo Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 10:12 PM
as I've been told by several clerks/cashiers at different retail stores is that several now generic pain relievers; with varying dosage based upon the same active ingredients in Tylenol, or Aleve, or Medipren, etc. will be made presription only, the criteria for this change will be that the specific product is marginally effective as a pain reliever. The price will be increased.
Bad Albino Bob Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 9:54 PM
Fair enough. That would explain a lot. Thanks for the comeback.
jim#1 Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 9:37 PM


Bad Albino Bob Location: AZ
Reply # 2
Date: Nov 3, 2009 - 9:17 PM EST
Since the current rate is 15.2% and has been that high for some years, you must have worked very little a long, long time ago.
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Well for a while (50 - 60 years ago) I worked for a non-profit (RAND Corp), and they could not then collect Soc Sec.

Many years we traveled, while our income was from RE investments, no Soc Sec possible.

I just followed the rules in place.
Fantasy Control Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 9:19 PM
If you want to reduce costs, then increase the supply of whatever it is that is, be it oil, energy, insurance or physicians. Either that, or increase competition. (This is a fundamental truth that should be taught to children in school.)

Obamacare does neither.

It would take a miracle, but perhaps this whole healthcare debacle will bring the rape of productivity brought upon our society by lawyers.

Bad Albino Bob Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 9:18 PM
"My Sweetie and I paid in nearly $10,000, and while Sweetie has had a new *job these past four years, together we have only collected $250,000." Really? Since the current rate is 15.2% and has been that high for some years, you must have worked very little a long, long time ago. Today, people are paying in who will probably never see a dime. For example, my father paid in heavily for his entire life and we collected $242 when he died. Glad it's working out for you, though.
Mac Moore Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 9:16 PM
Left Angle offers, "on a interview on faux news yesterday rush limbaugh called Prez Obama practically every name except a n**ger which i think he really wanted to say..."

Spoken like a true racist. You probably voted on race. My guess is that you think everyone votes on race, like you.

Sad.
Foxfire22 Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 8:50 PM
Thomas Sowell is one man who is connected to reality.
What a mind!
jim#1 Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 8:04 PM

Soc Sec is terrible

Yes I know that Soc Sec is terrible.

My Sweetie and I paid in nearly $10,000, and while Sweetie has had a new *job these past four years, together we have only collected $250,000.

*Now the Angels have a role model.
Bad Albino Bob Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:33 PM
"Using Federal funds for abortions except as provided by law when funded by Medicaid and for 3 only reasons is against the law. No reform proposal includes a word that contradicts current law." Not so. Since federal funds must be used to supplement private insurance under the law, all taxpayers will be subsidizing insurance programs that may provide abortion on demand. Just the other day you were telling people that they were already paying for abortions and that the bill would require more of the same. So tax dollars will indeed be used for abortion on demand under the proposed system. You are wrong again.
Does Mohammed Shiite In The Woods? Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:31 PM
William Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:21 PM
funds for abortions except as provided by law when funded by Medicaid and for 3 only reasons is against the law. No reform proposal includes a word that contradicts current law.

Do not give up your integrity so easily, Diane.
Does Mohammed Shiite In The Woods? Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:18 PM
Jim Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:17 PM
In today's political and idealogical divisions, I have no direct affiliations. I claim the label of "centrist libertarian" because that, to me, is the most accurate description.
Many, however have labeled me "liberal" until the discussions get deep - then they realize I support the sort of thinking shown in this article.
We are responsible to ourselves, first and foremost. Without that, we have little to offer family, or community. We are responsible and obligated to recognize and accept the liberties we expect for ourselves, in others - regardless of ideological differences.
We are NOT responsible, nor obligated to fulfill the dictates of others, nor are we obligated to fulfill the desires of others - though we may CHOOSE to do so.
Everything Mr.Sowell states in the article are things I have stated for years (except the specifics of the health issue). I would add - about lawyers - that a great many politicians are/were lawyers and they watch out for their own.

In all things, there is a choice ; but for each choice, a price. Responsible people recognize this.
USMC_RET. Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 6:15 PM
Does Mohammed Shiite In The Woods? Wrote: Nov 03, 2009 5:55 PM

William is a modern, scientific miracle. He is a semi-functioning abortion.
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