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Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Women Are Unhappy
by Phyllis Schlafly
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The National Bureau of Economic Research released a study to be published soon in the American Economic Journal that shows women's happiness has measurably declined since 1970. It's no surprise that this has stimulated much comment.

This study covers the same time period as the rise of the so-called women's liberation or feminist movement. The correlation demands an explanation. You can read the entire study at www.eagleforum.org/links.

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One theory advanced by the authors, University of Pennsylvania economists Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, is that the women's liberation movement "raised women's expectations" (sold them a bill of goods), making them feel inadequate when they fail to have it all. A second theory is that the demands on women who are both mothers and jobholders in the labor force are overwhelming.

I'm neither an economist nor a psychologist, but I'll join the conversation with my own armchair analysis. Another theory could be that the feminist movement taught women to see themselves as victims of an oppressive patriarchy in which their true worth will never be recognized and any success is beyond their reach.

Feminist organizations such as the National Organization for Women held consciousness-raising sessions where they exchanged tales of how badly some man had treated them. Grievances are like flowers -- if you water them, they will grow, and self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness.

Another theory could be the increase in easy divorce and illegitimacy (now 40 percent of American births are to single moms), which means that millions of women are raising kids without a husband and therefore expect Big Brother government to substitute as provider. The 2008 election returns showed that 70 percent of unmarried women voted for Barack Obama, perhaps hoping to be beneficiaries of his "spread the wealth" policies.

In the pre-1970 era, when surveys showed women with higher levels of happiness, most men held jobs that enabled their wives to be fulltime homemakers. The private enterprise system constantly produces goods that make household work and kiddie care easier (such as dryers, dishwashers and paper diapers).

Betty Friedan started the feminist movement in the late 1960s with her book "The Feminine Mystique," which created the myth that suburban housewives were suffering from "a sense of dissatisfaction" with their alleged-to-be-boring lives. To liberate women from the home that Friedan labeled "a comfortable concentration camp," the feminist movement worked tirelessly to make the role of fulltime homemaker socially disdained.

Economic need played no role in the feminist argument that marriage is archaic and oppressive to women. A job in the labor force was upheld as so much more fulfilling than tending babies and preparing dinner for a hard-working husband.

Women's studies courses require students to accept as an article of faith the silly notion that gender differences are not natural or biological but are social constructs created by the patriarchy and ancient stereotypes. This leads feminists to seek legislative corrections for problems that don't exist.

A former editor of the Ladies' Home Journal wrote in her book "Spin Sisters" that the anorexic blondes on television are every day selling the falsehood that women's lives are full of misery and threats from men. Bernard Goldberg calls the mainstream media "one of America's most pro-feminist institutions."

According to feminist ideology, the only gender-specific characteristic is that men are naturally batterers who make all women victims. On that theory, the feminists conned Congress into passing the Violence Against Women Act (note the sex discriminatory title), which includes a handout of a billion dollars a year to finance their political, legislative and judicial goals.

The feminists whine endlessly using their favorite word "choice" in matters of abortion, but they reject choice in gender roles. The Big Mama of feminist studies, Simone de Beauvoir, said: "We don't believe that any woman should have this choice. No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children ... precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."

The feminists have carried on a long-running campaign to make husbands and fathers unnecessary and irrelevant. Most divorces are initiated by women, and more women than men request same-sex marriage licenses in Massachusetts so that, with two affirmative-action jobs plus in vitro fertilization, they can create a "family" without husbands or fathers.

Despite the false messages of the colleges and the media, most American women are smart enough to reject the label feminist, and only 20 percent of mothers say they want full-time work in the labor force. I suggest that women suffering from unhappiness should look into how women are treated in the rest of the world, and then maybe American women would realize they are the most fortunate people on earth.

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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something to consider
It seems like an over-generalization that the root cause of women's' unhappiness is feminism. Could it be that today employment is more unstable (the days of a lifetime career at one company disappeared decades go), the cost of living is escalating, crime is endemic, materialism running rampant in our society, as well as the importance stressed for women to be thin and young-looking that is so promoted by the entertainment world (yeah, feminism didn't get rid of that one!). Another is the dumping of first wives for a younger model. Not having an education and marketable skills isn't going to get you far in that scenario. Every woman needs to have economic independence from a man, as well as opinions. Only the weak "girly-men" and the real loser men out there will have a problem with an independent woman. Schaffly has made a career out of advocating that women should be doormats engaging in phallo-worship.

WTF?!!!
JD's Handsome Son: "...Now America has too many "males" who are more women than men, so much so that these "males" are actually taking on feminine features, including an alarming percentage of boys growing breasts."

"The webbing between our fingers is a remnant of the time when we crawled out of the ocean, as scientists tell us."

Sounds like a side-show act. Where are these "breast boys?"

#14
If illegal immigrants are responsible for destroying unions, as much as I hate unlawful activities, I'll pay to bring more in. The unions are single handedly responsible for the failure of GM and Chrysler. Unions such as the NEA are at fault for the horrible public education of America's children. Utterly corrupt, communist, anti-capitalistic, anti liberty is what unions are.

Dan comment #11
Excellent post, sir. Right on the truth! A personal relationship with Jesus equals peace and happiness. Nothing else comes close.

rude olph
is becoming a regular on these pages and is either an annoying liar or a commie pinko f*g.

Massachusetts
If we copy law from Matchyapoopchutes, sorry, Massachusetts, we'll have feminist homosexuals forcing our barefoot pregnant slave wives to get a job. I can use the money I would force her to give me, but I really would rather she just had my supper ready when I get home and be prepared for the nightly after TV sports breeding activities.

The pursuit of happiness
We are living in an age where there exists a growing intolerance for the right of the individual to define what "pursing happiness" means for him or her. This is the main problem, beyond our obvious economic problems. There should be absolutely no social pressure, other than the pressure to respect personal choices in private lives...I believe the founders would have agreed heartily. I couldn't care less what any of you think, and I shouldn't have to. That is exactly what is wrong.

We also need to get rid of all of these labels. I don't fit neatly into any political category, and I don't want or need to.

I will not impose or intrude on your religious or sexual preferences; nor will I insist that your children are the property of the state, and must therefore attend public schools instead of being home-schooled.

To make a long story short, How about I mind my business and you mind yours? Let's respect each others privacy and personal choices. BTW..if you like this kind of talk, then you should be very concerned about anything that damages your constitutional rights; i.e., the so-called (well, it's just a flat lie) "Patriot Act".

It's high time we stopped taking our constitution for granted...as for that water-boarding T-shirt--torturing prisoners is NOT constitutional.

What we need is logic, not another drum to beat.

gender roles
I've not only been a working mom for 23 years, I've been the main breadwinner. Because of better career and education choices, I've almost always made significantly more money than my husband.

I have to admit that there have been times when I enjoyed my job. But most of the time, I wish for the days of a strong, hard-working husband and mom at home taking care of the house and kids. Doing both is so hard and you miss so much.

My children are grown and almost grown now. There are so many things I wish I could have done with them - homeschool for one. They would have been so much better educated.

My daughter and I are both fans of historical fiction. We always look at each other and wish that men like that still existed. Chivalrous, protective, hard-working, responsible, etc.

We're well aware of the limits put on women then, but did we have to go so far in the other direction that we have "men" like David Letterman and then millions whose maturity level is reflected in movies like American Pie?

TxGal
Thank you for staying at home with your kids. It has more to do with what's good for them than it does with independence, putting food or the table or sheer boredom. You took the road which in these days and times is the road less traveled and the road which in the long run is the best for your kids, your family and the nation.

I am sad to see that you are a liberal. That raises many questions in my mind as to why. At any rate what you say (in Post 120) about this subject is sound and I have great respect for your opinion.

Now, if I could only talk to you and get you to see the error or your liberal ways.


Judy
It sounds like you've made bad personal choices. To blame those choices and their results on any ism is to reject personal responsibility.

WHO BENEFITED MOST?
I THINK IT WAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.THEY DOUBLED THEIR REVENUES BY PUSHING BOTH SPOUSES OUT OF THE HOUSE.

feel for ya, Judy
I bought it, too, in college. Fortunately forme, the worst thing I did was drag my fiance and friends to a NOW pro-abortion rally. I'm still embarrassed and ashamed.

But God spared me from my youthful stupidity. Later that year I met Jesus Christ and found my way to the very next March for Life in DC.

But I've seen God raise all kinds of hopeless situations from ashes (I was abused, divorced, etc., etc.) I'll pray he does that for you!

So-called "feminism ' . . .
has infected the "mass media entertainment" culture with the constant put down of the American male.
In much of the "mass media", the male (breadwinner) is looked upon as a boob or dullard unable to make a decision and hold firm on it while the bratty "kids" and the smarta$$ know it all "wife" (woman of the house) make all the decisions and constantly berate the adult male.
This is mirrored in real life with the accomodation of the "feminist" movement regarding job "preferences" for women and the resulting "affirmative action" favoring women.
All one has to do is look at the jobs that are predominantly done by men. (working the "high steel, smelting metals, concrete, roofing etc.) Even in a male environment, women are rarely given the heaviest, dirtiest or most risky work. Quite often, they can feign weakness and use their "charm" to get their own way.
It is no surprise that women outlast men in life longevity.
One little "wrinkle" in the feminist equation, most women would rather have a male supervisor (boss) than a female.

Why Women are Unhappy
It is women's nature to be unhappy. Started in the Garden of Eden. Will always be.

Dead
I'm 68 and bought the feminism crap. Now, after three divorces, one abortion and two living sons in their 40's, I live alone and lonely. I left my sons with their father when they were in elementary school so I could take advantage of the new women's movement. So I could "have it all". Well, you can't have it all. In fact you can end up with no career and no respect from your children. I HATE FEMINISTS and I hate that I actually believed them when I was in my 20's.

Like it or not
Women don't want independence, they love "structure" and loved to told exactly what to do, just look at Hillary running around being the messenger girl for BHO, she's happy as a clam, in fact I've never seen her smiling more.

Look back when she was the self appointed whitehouse healthcare czar she was miserable, just look at the photos between then and now.


Trying to make us all the same
It's a typical liberal fallacy that we are all the same. What is shown to be good for one must, therefore, be good for all. Finding that preschool helps a small number of underprivileged children translates into all children must be in school by age 3. Figuring out that some children don't learn to read well by using phonics means all children must be taught by whole word technique.

I don't think there's any doubt that post WWII women were for the most part blocked from entering the male dominated work force. For the ones that really wanted to, this was unfair. However, the feminists have succeeded in making our culture lurch too much in the other direction. Instead of women being opressed by forcing them to be homemakers and stay at home moms, they are opressed by forcing them to go to work whether they want to of not.

We are NOT all the same. What works for one family does not work for another. While I think that the typical norm would be breadwinner dad and stay at home mom, if a couple decides that what works FOR THEM is mom working and dad staying home, or both working, those should also be acceptable alternatives.

The main reason for unhappiness is feeling you have no choices in your life. Of course, we all know that liberals think you have no ability to make choices in your life other than killing your kids.

Old fashioned women

My old Grandma passed a way a many years ago,God bless her soul. But her and old Grandpa had the happiest marriage and relationship I have ever witnessed.

I remember Grandma doing the wash one Monday morning when I was just a lad at her knee. She used an old wringer washer with tubs that had to be filled by hand with buckets of water. I saw her do the wash, hang it out to dry on a line, fold it, then take 2 live chickens and wring their necks, dip them in a tub of boiling water, pluck them, gut them, and cook them so Grandpa would have chicken dinner when he got home from work. Why would she do that for him without complaint?

Well, these people lived through the depression. I remember Grandma recounting how Grandpa walked 12 miles one-way in the winter to find a little work shucking corn to bring a little money for to feed their large family. Never knew the man to complain.

Happy and content with the smallest pleasures of life, these people were the real men and women, who built this country. There love, devotion and respect for each other was a source of inspiration to family friends, neighbors, and relatives.

The very notion of equality of treatment never occurred to them that I am aware of. They were to busy loving each other, raising a family, and getting on with life. Both deeply devout Christian people, Grandpa died with a small smile on his face and Grandma followed several years later with a heart broken by her grief at losing her beloved.

Today's American men and women should all be ashamed of themselves and their self-absorption. Whine, gripe, and moan! Ridiculous.

RE: Why Women Are Unhappy
There are plenty of woman who are single moms that may be wealthy enough to have a child. Keep in mine, when a woman loses a husband in war, we should help he get on her feet. Keep in mind, most woman dont get child support, even when it is court ordered. Along with this, I assume if Sarah Palins daugher didnt have help from family, she would want to go to work, but would need day care, Head Start, Government funded ofcourse. So you decide what you want to do with woman, help them in a time of need or let them and their children fall into homelessness and misery, chances are, the child will end up NOT being a pillar of society, hence, you are basically just creating a army of unstable people, who will only make civilization. Why not just support abortion, birth control...end it all now!

Feminist are missing their true worth
The problem I see is that "feminists" view themselves not as unique and precious persons having dignity and worth (that "God made me in his image" thing again)therefore, I have infinite value as a person and no need to view my self from flawed secondary criteria -my gender. The exact same flaw infects the modern black who views his or her self as a victim because of flawed secondary criteria -the color of their skin.

We gave up God and now we try to replace him with naive unfulfillable hope in our skincolor or gender -or the silly state -or silly laws -or silly leaders, when we've have the rules for joy and inner peace with God and we reject them. Like drug addicts we keep going back to what hurts us most - victimhood and secular answers to life.

K. G.
"probably a rapist, and had a adolescent, scuzzy relationship with a virtual teenager in the oval office."

'probably a rapist' - this breaks one of the TEN commandments doesn't it? Are you a serial Gossiper?

virtual teenager - You do not mind sending the same age people into Iraq to protect your oil supply and you are willing to keep them there for 100 years so long as you get to hang onto your precious tax cut.

How would you pay for the War in Iraq other than dumping it onto the national credit card?


Zap: You Are Crazy
No sinner can hold public office? There is only one sinless Man--and he's not on the ballot.

And nowhere did I condone sin. I think you have a screw loose.

georgia Boy 61
"The feminazis can mock us all they like."

You mean, they actually talked about putting Jews into gas chambers?

K G
"What's your beef?"

You appear to be an appeaser of sin when it suits your political needs.

You reap what you sow
What goes around comes around. It is so true, and nowhere more so than in the case of radical feminists who lived their ridiculous, destructive ideology, and now face growing old unhappy, unloved, and perhaps alone. In my unwise youth, I dated a feminist college student; I have never taken so much abuse from a woman in my life, all of it wholely unjustified, nor been so unhappy. Later, I came to realize that she hated being a woman, as did many feminists, who then took out their anger on men and society. Lucky me, I met and married a wonderful woman with traditional values, who is feminine, yet successful in her career; strong yet needs and wants her man. She loves being a woman, and loves that I am a traditional man. The feminazis can mock us all they like, but we don't care. We are very happy after 18 years of marriage, and the envy of our many single friends.

zap: I Have No Use For Adulterers
Yes, they break their oaths to the their spouses and to God. A capital offense in the Old Testament.

I was responding to some poster who compared Ensign to Clinton. My point: No real comparison. Clinton was a liar under oath, an abuser, probably a rapist, and had a adolescent, scuzzy relationship with a virtual teenager in the oval office.

Ensign is a run-of-the-mill adult adulterer. And if you read my post, I said I didn't defend him. Just don't compare him Clinton.

What's your beef?

K.G.
"And now he is telling the truth about it."

Yeah...and he broke an oath to God and his wife.

Phonies like you should join the DemonCrap party!

Charles
Be sure to get back to us when you've decided whether the Jews are all communists or whether they dominate all banking and commerce. It probably has to be one OR the other, not both-- don't you think?

feminism ruined men
It is hard to find a real man any longer. The feminists castrate as many men as they can and then complain about them when they aren't good lovers, good providers, etc. Treat your man right ladies and let him be the boss and you will find just how happy you can be. I have been married to the same man for 41 years and thank God I did not listen to the feminist jargon back in the sixties and seventies when they told us all we would not be happy unless we left our homes and got a job. Because I didn't listen I got to see my three children grow up at home instead of thrusting them off to a daycare provider. I got to have dinner waiting on the table for a tired hungry husband at the end of the day. Because my husband did not have to work and then come home and do the housework we had time for great sex too. I bet not too many feminists have that pleasure. Feminism ruined homes and its affect is still being felt today.

interest you in writing another book?
Mrs/miss Phyllis Schlafly I would love to get your attention on a book idea I have for you. I have the paperwork/facts and a very unique idea that will shock people. please consider entertaining my idea. and a huge thank you for being strong enough to be one of the few media sources that are honest on this topic. Thank you again

UNHAPPY FEMINISTS
I't could be just this simple. guilt& regret.When do people become most unhappy with thier jobs? When they can no longer advance.What more can feminists get? simpithy? no most people are tired of the whining.More than equal rights? no they already have that.A free home with all expences paid? nope have that too including a paid babysitter, at least in Michigan.Here is an example of reality in michigan. A teen woman can go out get impragnated by a man with a good job recive $500 + per week in child support file for welfare ( keep in mind the child support is not counted as income as the man pays the taxes ) recive a home with all expences paid go out and get impregnated again by a second man with a good job and becouse their are two seperate fathers the income from the first is not counted.Then get a raise from wlfare ( two children now)so add it up $1000 per week times 4 = 4,000 per month times 12 = 48,000 a year with all expences paid showing no "income" big income tax bonouse of 6,000 to 8,000 = an easy way to have a $ 54,000 income without a day of collage and guranteed income for 18 years and possably 19 1/2 if the children go to collage for the first year after graduation in michigan 23 1/2 years if in MASS. NOT TO MENTION FREE COLLAGE!!!! I've seen it. not my case but from a friend . A lady age 30 going to collage for free driving a brand spanking new cadilac esceleade SUV. With reward like that is it any wounder the SOCIALIST SECURITY system is broke? thats right ladies and gentlemen were all paing for this through the TITLE IV-D of the socialist security system

Charles has found me out
I do belong to an ethnic group that intends to dominate the world-- Mennonites. While I am not a Mennonite myself, all my ancestors on one side were (except for one Indian great grandmother, who converted to Mennonite). We will not rest until every chrome bumper on every car is painted black, and scrapple is served with every breakfast. Tremble before our might and our high birthrate.

I feel better just for confessing my part in this plot.

Charles
It seems to be true that most Jews who vote are liberal, but you are wearing out your point by continually remaking it without providing any evidence of control. The NAACP?!

Man, all along I thought it was the Masons first (Washington, Monroe, Jackson, Polk), and now the Catholics (Kennedys, Pelosi, Boehner, Durbin, etc.)...what did I know?

American Marriage
The USA has one of the highest divorce rates in the world of about 200 countries. It's not if your feminist wife divorces you, it's when.

The media is powerful when a guy knowing this still marries.

Is this line where I lose my children, eighteen years of income, and 1/2 my stuff? Oh great. Look. The line's movin'.

Unhappy Females
Good one Ms Schafly. Personally, I've had it up to my eyebrows with "men bashing". The family unit has suffered enormously because of it and there is a permanent tension and distrust between the sexes. Feminists have twisted and turned on its head the social contract and social fabric between men and women that has been successful (if not perfect) for as long as humans evolved to "sapien" status and probably before that. Feminists’ misguided (at best) machinations are in direct opposition to nature’s mandates that are derived from 100,000 years or more of evolution. Behaviors, instincts, and gender differences that are genetically encoded in normal humans (non-gay) is the main reason for evolutionary success and can not be manipulated without serious consequences.
The feminist agenda has done more harm to society than can be imagined. Take, for example, their ridiculous influence on the family courts and the pervasive industry surrounding it. Their ham-handedness in this area has done irreversible damage to families across the Nation both financially and emotionally, caused more acrimony due to disparities in the rulings between the parties that are wrongly skewed heavily in favor of the female gender, and harmed more children’s lives than you can shake a stick at. The family unit is the bedrock of society. You tinker with that and you face a major, unnatural disintegration of society into something very ugly indeed. You see the effects around you all the time: Kids dropping out of school, kids not having a real purpose in life (rudderless), and increased crime and angst. Creating this amount of discord without seeing the long-term ramification is the hallmark of feminism.
I must add that men contribute to the problem. Men must stop “caving” to this feminist assault and stand up for what is right for their families. Of course, the feminist agenda includes brainwashing boys into pathetic wimps and girls into “wonder women”. B.S.! I say.

Schlafly wrote
" The National Bureau of Economic Research released a study to be published soon in the American Economic Journal that shows women's happiness has measurably declined since 1970. It's no surprise that this has stimulated much comment.

This study covers the same time period as the rise of the so-called women's liberation or feminist movement. The correlation demands an explanation."

No, it actually is SELF-EXPLANATORY--the feminist (or as Rush Limbaugh terms it, feminazi) movement is responsible, as they copied Sharpton/Jackson model of how African-Americans have been victims of discrimination by Caucasians (with women subbed for African-Americans, and men for Caucasians)--also eerily similar to the much-quoted (but historically proven false) Francophone Quebecois claim of being victims of discrimination by Anglophone (inclusive term for all non-Francophones) Canadians.

The pattern is quite easy to see.

PlanoBlue........
like all LGBT individuals, engages in histrionic and passive-aggressive behaviors instead providing evidence to the contrary. PlanoBlue, if it weren't for the fact that you're narcissistically hostile and borderline confrontational in your interactions with straight people in the public and private sectors, you might be alright, but that would mean you'd have to grow up. I look forward to an individual, like yourself, invoking the Federal "You Hurt My Feelings Because I'm Emotionally Immature Adult" Crimes legislation.

New Theory On Charles
My new theory is that he isn't a paranoid antisemite as he appears, but a jokester pretending to be one to annoy everybody. He's been here all day. Nobody could be that dense for that long.

And women are unhappy?
It is not a man's world. At least, not in the USA

Because our education systems are failing young boys.?
Because three quarters of all suicides are male.?
Because there are sixteen times more men than women in prison?Because on average, men live 7 years less than women.?
Because there are national screening programs for breast cancer and cervical cancer, but no national screening programs for prostate or testicular cancer.?
Because we do the dirty, dangerous jobs in the places women will not go, and our sacrifice is taken for granted.?
Because we lose custody of our children, 18 years of income and 1/2 their stuff, in two thirds of all cases.
?Because our unborn children can be aborted without our knowledge.?Because we are expected to work while women have the choice.
Because adoptions services give children to strangers than the father.?


This is really simple
Women's happiness has declined since 1970 because of the ever-increasing power and influence of government at all levels.

We know that people cannot be made happy by others, including government. True happiness comes from within one's self.

The more that control of your life gets turned over to someone else, the les likely you are to be happy, and the less happier you are.

Liberal big-government control of their lives has steadily been eroding women's happiness since the end of the '60's.

It's as simple as that.


Shorts
Good catch with Ensign. I would only suggest that he take the same route as Clinton, just keep going on like it is no problem. Without actually apologizing, he can continually SAY that he apologized without doing it.

Clearly, the media will forgive him and come to his defense just like they did for Clinton.

I'm Not Defending Ensign, But...
...let the record show:

1. Clinton was not impeached for having sex, but for lying under oath.
2. Why was he placed under oath? He was being sued for sexual harrassment, which is illegal.
3. Ensign has not broken the law. He had sex while he was separated from his wife. And now he is telling the truth about it.

Apples and oranges.

Dinner Time

later.

binc: And About Men...
...who are incredibly maligned and denigrated by liberals. Bitchy women are elevated to the high heavens and all man are ba$tards.

Isn't that the message of so-called "feminism?"

Stupidity never was happiness. That may account for so many unhappy women: sheer stupid ingratitude.

All the conservative women I know love their men. Who wouldn't love a conservative man?

KG
oops, I read hubbie as hubble-the eyes are going. In any case both hubbie and hubble-whatever that is-are fine. And hubbie does still believe in God.

my hubble
Oh KG, my "hubble" is doing very well in large part thanks to my husband. So nice to read positive things now and then huh?

Retired Geek
Rowly is not just a woman; Rowly is a lady and a Southern lady at that.

woman = biological fact
lady = matter of opinion

When a woman posts a sexual charge at a man here and gets back same in return, I don't defend either of them. They are both out of line.

Herd mentality gives conservatism an unfair reputation.

Short Story about my Marriage

When I started my software Development Company, I hired my wife as Business Manager.

For over 25 uears, we were together almost 24/7 and she of course picked up some of the computer jargon.

I was driving one day and she hollered look at for that car.

I swerved and said 'Sorry I was distracted', she replied 'Yes and I saw the woman that distracted you, she was very pretty. Before you give me that excuse that God wrote the software and you just run it - I want to tell you something - you had better pray and ask God to fix the bugs in your software, or I am going to give you a 'Hard Boot'.

Woe is me, the trouble we men have.

Alive and Binc...
There are good men everywhere willing to bust their rears to serve God and their families. They need more encouragement, IMO, and more gratitude.

My post was to that lame brain Rudolph who had some disparaging things to say about something of which he knows nothing.

And Binc, your hubbie might be "lapsed," but God smiles everytime He sees those love taps. Just my opinion.

KG
I didn't marry a Mormon, I married an lapsed Catholic that after 33 years of marriage still pats my behind every time I walk by and still tells me I'm beautiful. It's not the faith, it's the man and I thank my lucky stars every day for him.

KG
My good Lutheran husband does just that already, thanks. :)

Roping and Riding
There is a town in Michigan called Otisville.

You don’t have to pay the women to dance on tables because they’ll do it for free.

These are farm girls big and strong they’ll out bale any man.

Happy they are.

If one of these farm girls rides on the back of your John Deer tractor for more then two corn rows it’s considered a common law marriage.

Now they have a bar called the Otisville Hotel and if you stay till 2:00AM the bar explodes into a giant bar room brawl.

Then they go home and kiss and make up

BeeVee asks
Which liberals were denigrating women?

How?

Sez I: Those females such as Steinem, Friedan, de Beauvoir and others who spread the lie that homemaking and child-rearing is exploitive and women who would rather be home than out in the workforce are simply being oppressed by a malignant patriarchy. They supported and worked for passage of the ERA. Those same females also spread the lie that in order to be truly 'equal' to men, we women needed to discard our femininity and become just as sexually irresponsible and brutish (per abortion rights)as many males. Those who prefer to wait for marriage (or teach their sons and daughters to wait) are seen as prudish, unenlightened, and repressed, especially these days. We can see where that has led us; depression among college women is at an all-time high, thanks to the hookup culture, and altogether too many women think nothing of being treated like experiments per the shackup.

Those media execs who bought into the feminista lie then starred females in TV roles (Murphy Brown, Cagney and Lacey) that also propagated the myth that women really and truly do have it all even as they chase criminals on foot down long city blocks (while heavily pregnant, no less) or put in long hours as high-level execs while leaving their fatherless children in 'quality' day care. This is pure, unadulterated dog squeeze.

Women's Liberation has done far, far more for men than it ever did for women. Think about it.

Rudolph: You Dope
Speaking about something of which you know nothing: the lives of Mormon women.

Among many other things, here's what's great about being a Mormon woman, provided you marry a practicing Mormon man.

Your husband works like a dog for you and your children. He does't fool around, gamble, drink, smoke, or do drugs. He's willing to help with your elderly parents. He will provide for your children's education. He not only brings his paycheck home, but he actually comes home and helps with the kids.

If you want to work outside the home, he will support you, but sees providing for the family as his God-given obligation. He is kind, considerate, loving and faithful.

Ladies, if you want to be happy, marry a good Mormon boy.


Summers

You know Rowly is a woman?

I am truly sorry I disappointed you. I value your abilities and keen mind and friendship.

I called Christianlib a 'HammerHead' and apologized to him publicly.

I have a wife of 43 years, two wonderful daughters, a female grand daughter and I have been NOT very nice several times when anyone 'Attacks' them or calls them names.

Some white boys several years ago were picking on a young Black mother with her child, taunting her and calling her despicable racist names. I stepped in and told her to get behind me and a 'Donnybrook' broke out. I had a lot of explaining to do when my wife bailed me out.

I think God wrote the software, I just run it.

Charles from PA

You stated that Hitler was 25% Jewish and that was what made him insane - then you state your wife is 25% Jewish???????

Retired Geek
You were talking about the Prelutsky thread, weren't you?

Anne was off before Denise made a remark to Hal about an alleged homosexual enounter he had while in the military. Several posts were made before he made his remark about whether it was appropriate to show pictures from Mexico. Denise remarked that no women were coming to Hal's defense.

After this was over, Rowly posted, as I recall, two posts. Someone named Lainey (F?) posted.

Now, what women did not come to her defense?

You were all showing that conservatives can adhere to the herd mentality and be rude, crude, and unattractive. One of the things I dislike most is seeing a person I thought had intelligence and integrity seek the lowest level. Many times you have seen me correct others' comments to you and about you. Last night you all went over the level of acceptability. Does that make you proud?

Charles from PA

You never answered about Nation of Islam?

I have worked with and known people from many races and religions, including Jews.

My observations are that each of them have their fair share of Genius and Morons, including us Scottish.


Summers my friend

Perhaps I was caught up in the heat of the moment.

Hal Donahue said this:
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Hal Donahue Location: PA
Reply # 2
Burt Prelutsky Article
Date: Jun 15, 2009 - 8:34 PM EST
St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Date: Jun 15, 2009 - 6:46 PM EST...You go screw your the boy that you hit on in the military before you got kicked out."

Nice piece of work spreading absolute lies about my military service. Is this now where I come back about the pictures of you with the donkey on the stage in Juarez?
----------------------------------

Both comments were over the top, I agree.

I have been posting on Town Hall over 18 months now and I have seen the comments about Hal Donahue and a Homosexual General dozens of times, usually by ex-military like GunnyG.

If Denise was 100% wrong in her comment to Hal, I would still be upset with him for attacking a woman in that manner.

I am one who will call any ones ideas childish or stupid, I would never accuse a woman of bestiality.

I will admit that in the past, I have been less than kind to Ranger29 or Robert, Rudolf told me he was starting a NAMBLA chapter in NY and I have taken him to task for that, I have debated many Homosexuals about the evils of that behavior but I do not attack them personally.

I did not realize no women were on the thread because several were on earlier before I left and came back.

That is my story and I am sticking with it (GRIN)

" Well, We Lied"...
...admitted Gloria Steinem some 20 years ago.

That was when all the young women had spent 20 years following the feminist "dream", believing Steinem when she pronounced: You can have it all!!!

Nobody can have it all. Eventually Steinem came to her senses and declared, "To every yes there is a no." Duh!

However, discontent is part of the American psyche. Always seeking, searching, striving,--looking for a better way. Not a bad thing--unless you're looking in all the wrong places.

If you believe the "I can have it all" lie, you will be unhappy.

Binc #25
"BeeVee, I also find it fascinating to read and learn about other peoples and societies. I have come to believe that we're nowhere near as new and improved as we'd like to think."

I know, I think in an important way those subjects teach us about ourselves, and where we have come from.

I think it also makes me less judgemental andless likely to jump to easy assumptions and generalities.

I hope that's not liberal or conservative -- just more productive!!

Jay
"The objects (on Playboy Magazines) are teenage girls. Compete with that.'

Jay, I think you are giving yourself away here, the women I know have absolutley no wish to compete with teen-age girls, consider themselves to have many advantages over adolescents. Your statement implies that you are ASKING women do to better. Well, they do.

I doubt that 90 percent of the women I know even KNOW who is on the cover of Playboy at any one time. And they don't even talk to men who would compare them.

Retired Geek
I looked up the thread to which you refer. I didn't see any women other than Denise on there.

I wish you would go back and read the thread through before making your argument on why any dispute was started.

I have not, before, found myself in disagreement with you. However my reading of the thread does not reveal your conclusions. It appears that several people were behaving poorly.

BeeVee Question for You?

Are you a man or a woman or trapped somewhere in between?

Moon to Retired Greek
Which liberals were denigrating women?

How?

Liberals are Dumb Denigrating Women

The world was fighting for its life during World War II.

Madmen had declared War against humanity and were intent on destroying freedom and any man, woman or child that stood in the way.

Most women were homemakers and few knew how to work in factories and weld and create tanks and armaments.

Their husbands, fathers, brothers and neighbors were fighting this evil and many were dying everyday.

These soldiers needed supplies and equipment and almost every able bodied man was in another land fighting for all they held dear.

Women by the millions, volunteered to work and make the equipment and supplies that were so desperately needed.

Women had to work hard and learn fast, to save their men and Country.

The female pilots of WW2, who throughout the war, and at great risk to their safety, ferried bombers across the Atlantic to replenish those lost over Europe.

Women served as Nurses in foreign lands and at home, saving Soldiers lives and helping to bring the Soldiers back to health.

Women had to manage long exhausting hours and still take care of the family.

Women took charge and scrimped and did without, with little thought for themselves.

American Soldiers would have suffered and probably been defeated, without the support of their wives, mothers, sisters and daughters.

God Bless the American Woman!

Vampire's Reflection
"The facts are with me. Conservatives are just as likely as liberals to be involved in all things labeled moral decay."

On this we agree and statistics are on our side. I just don't think it does any good to blame our problems on technology, liberalism, the Bible, feminism, philosophers, or the CIA -- whatever convenient ghost someone wants to choose. Actually, I don't believe there is a good case that we are in a state of moral decay. The symptoms may have changed but the disease has been with us for thousands of years.

Charles from PA

You have never answered my questions.

1) Are you a member of the Aryan Nation or the Nation of Islam?

2) Do you ever tire of your racist rants?

You sound like Barack Obama's chosen 'Mentor and Spiritual Adviser'.


To the Women on this thread

Many of you may have read comments by 'St. Denis In Obama's Red America', who is actually a Gifted Lawyer from New Orleans named Denise and a conservative.

Hal Donahue last night, didn't like the comments Denise made concerning Barack Obama.

What did Donahue do?

He attacked Denise accusing her of 'Bestiality' with a Donkey.

I called him out and demanded he apologize immediately - Typical Liberal Male he left the thread and never said anything.

Any woman who is successful, intelligent and knowledgeable, will be slandered, maligned and viciously attacked by Liberal males.

Not one woman stood up for Denise - it is shocking.

PlanoBlue, like most closet cases in....
Dallas area deludes himself regarding his behavior but continues to propagate LGBT propaganda addressing only the gay enclave within Dallas. He does not care to address that Plano has an LGBT mayor. We call individuals, like PLanoBlue, liberal or Rockefeller Republicans. You haven't lived until you've seen these closet cases soliciting for s*x in front of small children at sporting or school events. It's enough to make your stomach turn.

Vampire's reflection @1:23 PM
"The truth is that conservatives lack humility. Their denial that they are just as deep in the decay waters as the liberals prevents them from entertaining any notion that perhaps it is not the liberals but something else."

Your recognition of the "decay" is a step in the right direction at least. Any stabs at what the "something else" might be?

PlanoBlue...........
since you are obviously an attention-deficit disordered and intellectually deficient LGBT individual, why do you believe you are entitled to special treatment based on the fraudulent and fallacious research of Alfred Kinsey?

A
"Why should I listen to anti-feminist rhetoric from a woman who is living the fruits of feminism by being able to work outside the home?" Women have always worked outside the home. My Great-great grandmother managed a store. My grandmother owned her own shop. My aunt was a doctor. And so on. The difference is that nowadays, the woman is expected to work outside the home or be sneered at by feminists. Society has a vested interest in a strong family with lots of personal contact. This generally means that one parent is going to have to stay home for at least a big part of childhood. The destruction of this expectation is a major factor in social dysfunction, and it is feminism that has produced the dysfunction.

Islamic and Liberal Hatred of Women

I see Little Difference between the Islamic hatred for women and Liberal hatred for women.

I suppose the main difference is, that the Islamists want their women covered from head to toe in Burkha's and Liberals want their women naked.

Their goals are the same, neither Islamists nor Liberals want women to have any dignity or self respect.

Liberal women are like the Islamic women who help stone a woman to death for a slight infraction of rules or mutilate the genitals of little girls.

The commonality between Liberals and Islamists is the 'Fear' of the power that women hold in 'Influence'.

Even the most casual observer of human nature, can see that the male is oriented (or has a tendency) towards decision making and the female is oriented towards influencing those decisions.

Humans tend to 'Bristle' at my observation, assuming that I mean that females are incapable of making decisions or males are incapable of influence - that couldn't be further from the truth.

Males are more tribal (or team oriented) by nature because of the need for defense of the home, whereas females are more home oriented, because of the need to provide an environment for nurture.

Without the bonding of the male and female, the entire 'Construct' of the family is one of dysfunction.

The 'natural role' of a woman is very difficult - mother, nurturer, wife - many females 'bristle' at that role and wish to be something else, other than what they are.

The 'natural role' of a man is very difficult - father, provider, protector - many males 'bristle' at that role and wish to be something else, other than what they are.

Liberal males and Liberal females are dissatisfied with their natural roles and want their identities based on something other than who and what they are by nature.


More than that
There's more to the story.

The most offensive pornography, utterly degrading to women, is not only readily available on the internet and in movies and magazines, but it is suggested on every newsstand on every street corner. The objects are teenage girls. Compete with that.

Women are compared to and establish self worth as against sex objects, with never an objection from the feminists, who relish the exploitation.

Women are deceived by feminism. Motherhood is the higher calling, not the lesser.


Charles
What does your "THE JEWS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY BAD THING IN THE WORLD" rant have to do with the topic at hand? Oh and since you are an Episcapalian...can I please point out something...the person that has saved your sorry butt from hell is a Jew...so please be quiet. Everytime you spout of this crap you are slapping your Savior and mine in the face...

full of it
Why should I listen to anti-feminist rhetoric from a woman who is living the fruits of feminism by being able to work outside the home?

70's Feminazi Propaganda
I remember being inundated with the manure of Feminism (as related by NOW gang, NAGS, Feminazis and FemiNAGS... really warped my thinking as a boy and teenager... now I pay no damned bit of attention to their whining and crazy rhetoric. I teach my daughters to THINK, not feel and consider why the men haters hate men. To feminazi's everywhere, burn your Friedan and Beauvoir manuals, stop listening to CNN, PMSNBC, and their ilk and tune into AFR and Focus on the Family. Repent from your twisted psychies!

Alice
I also like your post but you lost me when you said Mrs Schlafly badmouths every woman-friendly opportunity that comes along.

Which opportunities are you talking about? No doubt Mrs Schlafly earned a darn good living being a lawyer, but I never heard her gripe once about being paid 'equal' to the male lawyers. My guess: She knew what prices her skills on the market would bear and charged accordingly. That's nothing less than simply using your head instead of waiting for someone to hold your hand. My grandmother had her own business long before anyone had even heard of "wimmins lib". So did my grandfather's sister. The founder of Pepperidge Farms Foods was a woman; I think she started in the 40's or 50's. I doubt either lady thought she 'had it all' but rather figured she was simply using the gifts God gave her for both her and her family's benefit. Such a perspective doesn't need 'help' from the harridans but I think it is more the motivation behind women working outside the home than the purported 'need' to prove one's independence.
Flying with one's own wings is quite different than flying alone, wouldn't you agree? Thing is, the libber harridans want women to fly alone, rather than in tandem with their mates. That is just sad.


Macgregor to Alice
To say that the increase in divorce rates or out of wedlock pregnancy is due to the women's movement is just not good logic. You are making the case that you are prejudiced toward just by linking two phenomena to create cause and effect. You could just as easily say that we have more divorce because the axis of the earth has tilted in the past 24 years.

\The highest divorce and unwed pregnancy rates in the country are in the bible belt red states, hardly bastions of feminist thought. In socio-economically deprived cultures where women often have pregnancies at 15, feminisim is hardly their motivation.

conservatives like to attach all of what they see as societies' problems to feminists, liberals, gays, intellectuals, and in Charles' case Jews. He could even make an argument that Jews have caused more divorce and single parent households that would hold just as much water (he probably has).

Not nonsense, Mother
It's only mythical, Archetypal images that are situated at the extreme ends of the masculine/feminine spectrum.

Real human beings are closer to the centre of the spectrum, developing a mix of masculine and feminine qualities. Gender is not solely determined by genitalia. There are many factors that are involved, from, say, testoserone levels to more complicated DNA structures. We muddle the issue if we assume that all women are feminine, or the reverse. It is neither uncommon nor unnatural for a man to carry a preponderance of feminine qualities or for a woman to embody more masculine than feminine.

I have personally known of at least two cases where a baby was masculine or feminine in terms of it's external physiology but in other determinates on the gender scale was the opposite.

This does not make people "chimeras" (I'm not sure why you used that particular word) or freaks. It's called human, in fact.

Alice from GA
I agree with some of what you have to say, but I will point out that some of those problems (cheating, divorce, family troubles) have skyrocketed since the women's liberation movement, and part of the reason for that is that women have been told BY the feminsts that they can and should do and have everything. Divorce is no issue then because a woman doesn't need a man. She can hold down a successful job, raise the children she already has by herself, do everything necessary to run a household (bills, etc.) and be happy and fulfilled the whole time she does it. The fact is that it doesn't work out that way. In that sense, it is no wonder that women are having a hard time.

Anthropology
BeeVee, I also find it fascinating to read and learn about other peoples and societies. I have come to believe that we're nowhere near as new and improved as we'd like to think. It's all been done at one time or another and it's all been trashed at one time or another. We're here at this time and at some point we won't be-that's that. Too bad we all can't just live, let live and get along. OMG, I sound like a liberal!

Charles--Tool of the Episcopalians
Try to cover up all this blather about Jews how you will-- you are obviously a tool of the Episcopalian conspiracy to rule the world with boring hymns and too much lace on the vestments.

Great Article
Mrs. Schlafly, you hit the nail on the head! I am a 19-year-old in college and get beaten over the head with the assumption that women's liberation was a wonderful thing with absolutely no negative consequences. Oh, and that all men are pigs who are just out to get us you know.
I do not agree with either of those assumptions. They can only be arrived at by severely twisted logic or by a lack of information.

binc
I found this on the internet, written by an anthropologist, thought it was an interesting view of actual behavior and they way we perceive behavior:

"It is interesting to me, as an anthropologist, as an illustrative example of the distinction between what is called "ideal" and "real" culture, as well as for
the amazingly revisionist history that likely takes place in all societies""

Hear hear.

Colonial Women
I only know of one study of premarital sex among colonial era women, and it was confined to one part of Rhode Island. I doubt it is valid. If there is other information I'd be interested in seeing it. I do quite a lot of genealogical work which includes marriage dates and birth dates, and find very little evidence of this figure. Of course, my work is chiefly with descendants of the Palatine Germans. I doubt that they were any more or less inclined to premarital sex than any other group, though.

Typical
Schlafly: "I'm neither an economist nor a psychologist, but I'll join the conversation with my own armchair analysis."

Translation: "I don't know jack about the subject at hand, but I need to create a politically biased explanation to aid my political allies."

This is what is wrong with American political discourse today. When reality doesn't give you the answer you want, make one up.

Make good choices
Ladies, don't ever, EVER marry a man that is nasty about other people but sweet as pie to you. It does not make you special and at some point his nastiness will turn on you. I've seen that time and again within my own family and as far as I'm concerned, men like that turn into abusers. Of course, not getting married is OK also if that's what you prefer.

binc
This is such a fascinating subject to me - I tend to like the sociology of history and cultural history anyway. What this suggest also, besides the facts you pointed out, that sexual mores, such as pre-marital sex, are probably very tied to survival. I agree that fertility was of high importance, especially since so many children died before their fifth birthday.

But what does that mean for this culture, now?
It seems we have sub-cultures in America where pregnancy is an acceptable choice (although I think that may be changing) and others that proscribe against it for religious reasons. But in the religious settings of colonial women, it seems there were deeper reasons to accept pregnancy.



I'm going to be thinking about this all day!

I am a feminist and I am happy, but then
again,I have a every good education and have been a licensed healthcare professional for the last 30+ years! I am not exactly where I want to be on the old career ladder, but there is still time to achieve one or more of my career goals. Opportunities abound for well qualified professional men and women.

I own my own home, I travel, I have neighbors, friends and family and am healthy for the most part.

It has been my experience that unhappy women are that way for a reason and it has NOTHING to do with feminism or the political construct we live with daily. Some reasons for unhappiness in women [also men, I might add] are unemployment, lazy, cheating and/or abusive spouses, drug, food, gambling addictions. Sick kids, spouses and elderly patients. Divorce, especially after 25 or 30 years of marriage; the husband wants a younger model seems to be the most prevalent cause in my area. A diagnosis of cancer or another terminal disease in a loved one. Bankruptcy due to medical bills the insurance company will not pay. Foreclosure. Failure to get that prized promotion or coveted award.

Men and their pursuit of the impossible woman. . .being told you are NOT thin enough, pretty enough, deferential enough [as in I want sex and you need to give it to me or I will leave],
dumb enough, rich enough or young enough. When oh when will men get over themselves?

I have lots of women and men friends and family members. . .I can honestly say, any unhappiness is due to the sometimes rough bumps in life everyone has to deal with. Ms. Schalfy's blame of the women's movement is misplaced denigration; of course, she never met a woman-friendly opportunity she couldn't badmouth, so this diatribe is par for the course with her. She needs to retire and leave the rest of us alone. Her comments are akin to all the shouts from the peanut gallary and those are not hard to ignore and dismiss.




Charles
Lenin described antisemitism as socialism for idiots. You have just proved it.

Colonial women
BeeVee, I can't remember where I read it but do remember being surprised. I just googled "colonial women premarital sex" and the first entry discusses with one person saying it was 40% of colonial women that had babies a bit too soon after marriage. Another said that since having children (probably to help with farmwork) was of utmost importance men wanted proof that their intended was fertile. Makes sense what with the high infant mortality rate and childbed fever that killed many new mothers. As far as I'm concerned things are much much better for women now-at least we don't have to be "test driven" before a man will have us.

BeeVee,
Now you're talking absolutely nonsense.

There are a few, VERY FEW, people who are genetic chimeras who are genuinely of mixed sex. This is the result of two embryos fusing in their early development so that what should have been brother and sister twins develop as one person with mixed chromosomes.

But outside this exceedingly rare anomaly, a person either has a Y chromosome and thus is male or has no Y chromosome and thus is female.

Nouns in French and Spanish have gender. Human beings have sexes -- and are clearly divided as male and female on the genetic level.

Charles is the Answer
...to why women are so unhappy--if he's who they have to choose from, no wonder things look so glum.

"He's an Arab!"

AliveInHim,
I've also wondered what looking-glass world "Bible" the left-libs are reading that comes up with such nonsense.

The virtuous woman praised in Proverbs 31 ran a home business -- producing fine textiles -- and invested in real estate -- that vineyard.

Wealthy women were listed as supporting Christ in his ministry and among early Christians Lydia, the seller of purple cloth is not the only woman listed as having a trade.

Typical of the left-libs though -- whaling away at straw men and figments of their own, distorted imaginations.


Joel Thanks Charles
Charles, with his psychotic "It's the Jews' fault!" rant, has taken over the #1 stupid post of the day spot from Joel.

What do you want to wager that Charles is "certain" that Obama was born in Kenya?

lilly's favorite sport is to
generalize from the specific, i.e., MY experience must be the norm.

Charles
Take your antisemitic garbage and get out. You don't have ideas, you have mental ulcers.

BeeVee
"Sometimes people with deeper problems go after groups and minorities so they have a scapegoat to which they can tie all their fears and magical thoughts and grievances. " I agree. That describes perfectly the way moonbats on this thread go after Christians and conservatives.

Lilly
I reread my earlier posts and didn't see anything that suggested men should beat women to prove their masculinity.

You've simply read some bias you have against conservatives and men. This is a flaw in reading comprehension and logic. How sad for your students whose minds perhaps have been damaged by you.

It is liberal men who abuse their women. They do this in various ways and they do it because they secretly fear and loath women, all the while seeming to support them. The best way to marginalize women is to encourage them to demean themselves under the guise of empowering them. Liberal men have their women get naked and debase themselves to destroy their self esteem.

Liberal icons, like Ted Kennedy, drive their mistresses into rivers, crawl out of the cars and run to their campaign managers to prepare a defense. His father was a bit more discreet and brought his mistresses home and introduced them to his wife, Rose. You're old enough to remember those days, aren't you Lilly?

His brothers gang bangged Hollywood starlets and could have had them killed so as not to expose them.

Bill Clinton molested many women and humiliated his wife in full view of the entire world. This checked her like no beating could.

Then there's Elliot Spitzer and a host of others.

Finally, I'm not stupid. I'm good looking and science has shown that looks and brains go together. If you were only 40 years younger. . .

go girl!
What a wonderful, concise editorial on "the biggest problem facing America today"... Fantastic!!

Charles
With all due respect, I don't want to have this debate.

Sometimes people with deeper problems go after groups and minorities so they have a scapegoat to which they can tie all their fears and magical thoughts and grievances.

Sometimes a basic assertion is just so out there that it seems pointless to argue. If you told me that babies are found under cabbages or that the moon has magnetized your fillings and is sending you instructions, I would feel the same way.

Sorry.

lilly
"Do you think that conservatives on townhall sound happy?" Actually, lilly, I don't think many people of any persuasion on Townhall sound happy. The liberals certainly don't, and a lot of the conservatives don't either. The same would be true on the HuffPo threads. Personally, I'm very happy. My life hasn't been easy, either, but more accurately described as interesting. However, when I come to TH, I'm here to state my beliefs and argue against people who believe otherwise. I'm not here to tell people how happy I am and what makes me happy. I don't think they'd be too interested. However, if you want to know why I think you are wrong, I'll be HAPPY to oblige.

The statistics on happiness are derived from polls, especially the series of excellent Pew polls which have consistently affirmed the happiness of conservatives whether rich or poor, married or not, over comparable groups of liberals.

Robert
You are wasting your time on Vampire’s Reflection. His pseudonym is accurate, like the reflection of a vampire there is nothing there. He responds to you like he’s god and you are wrong yet makes this statement about conservatives in another thread, “The truth is that conservatives lack any humility. Their denial that they are just as deep in the decay waters as the liberals prevents them from entertaining any notion that perhaps it is not the liberals but something else.” Yes, old Vampy is a real humble guy(sarcasm)with his empty rhetoric.

Mother of 4
"Biology is real. People need to learn to accept the objective facts about human biology and get over trying to rewrite reality."

Vampire responded to this well, but here's another point - if you talk to any experienced geneticist or endocrinologist, etc. they will tell you that our male-female assignments are not a zero-sum fact. Gender falls on a fairly wide scale; very few of us are on the extreme ends of that scale, and very few are in the middle, but it happens.

I think conservatives tend to be more comfortable in a clear, black and white world where everything is totally true or totally false.

Of course, biological uncertainties, clear or not, have little to do with social expecations for men and women, but your argument that God assigns each of us an either-or sex just is not true.

lilly
Yes, the doctor was stereotyping. Labeling something as being a stereotype does not make it an invalid observation. Is the doctor’s stereotype observation accurate? I don’t know for sure… but it sounds very plausible. It would be interesting to see a more formal study on the topic.

There are many valid stereotypes out there. However, things start to break down when one pushes a stereotype and says “all” people of a given group certainly have a characteristic.

To use your example… it is a correct stereotype when one observes that African Americans are much more likely to have a sense of rhythm than a Scandinavian American. Anyone who denies the validity that stereotype has never spent any time with either group, or they are being dishonest.

Charles
"Jews are primarily behind the feminist subversion. Just like they were behind the ACLU, NAACP, communism, etc."

Another enlightened conservative male.

Lilly - Your quotation
Gee, do you think there's any chance that was written by a man? Better yet, a Townhall regular?

Life is just full of mysteries isn't it?


To BeeVee
I saw this quotation someplace recently. I don't know whether the TH filter will allow it, but I will try quoting it verbatim:

"Give a woman a job and she grows balls."

To JD's Stupid Son
I used to know a young woman whose boyfriend beat her up about once a week. She did not complain, and I imagine that if you, Son, had interviewed her you would have said "she is happy". When asked about the beatings, she always defended the boyfriend thus: "He only hits me when I need it."

There's happy, and then there's happy.

Men and women need God
Women are unhappy because they have turned from God and men. Children neeed a heavenly Father and their biological one. Women need to wake up and know that feminism like other isms is evil

Stay at home vs. working moms
I'm a lib and I was fortunate to have been able to stay home for 11 years with my kids, and I loved it. I have several friends who are conservative, and they only stayed home for a few months after each of their children were born. One has told me that she just goes crazy staying at home and is happier working. Before I went back to work I was having lunch with one of my conservative friends and someone else, and after listening to them talk about accounting for about an hour and not saying much, my conservative friend looked at me and said I should get an interesting job so I could talk about it.

My point is that you all should stop trying to pigeonhole people. Not all women who are unhappy are liberal, and not all conservative women are happy. If women are more unhappy now...if that's even true...it probably has more to do with the complexities of life now than in the past, rather than those "horrible" feiminists. As others pointed out, it's much more expensive to live these days.

Joel said earlier: "Most married women that work do so for luxuries, and 'independence'." I would change that to SOME married women. Most married women that work do so just to have a decent (not luxurious) place to live and to not have to worry about putting food on the table. And there is nothing wrong with having some independence. Women whose husbands either leave them or die, or maybe even lose their jobs, are much better equipped to take care of themselves and their families if they have some independence.

To Robert in AZ
Do you think that conservatives on townhall sound happy? They seem overflowing with bitterness and rage, to me. They don't seem to know who they are unless they are angry about something and focused on an enemy. They resent just about everybody and see themselves as victims (of minorities, of immigrants, of government, of the media, of liberals, of the educated, of laws and regulations, of taxation).

And they seem always to be planning to "get" somebody---meet the government agent with a gun, blitz email some TV show they don't approve of, get the liberals off townhall, boycott some product, smear some politician, overthrow the government, secede from the Union. Their motto seems to be "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more". They don't seem to have much capacity to sustain anxiety---their rage has to lead to an action, as in the old T-shirt that read "I Don't Get Mad, I Get Even". And they seem very fearful of others, of new ideas and influences, of change. They don't seem at ease in the world or at ease with themselves. I don't see much evidence that they are happy or at peace.

re: Robert
Wrong Robert.

National statistics collected on all metrics I mention reflect parity on all things moral decay. You do realize that 99 percent of all couples in the US today state they have had premarital sex? Good luck trying to parse that one.

We are supposedly "80 percent" Christian Nation.

Ha ha!

But your denial is a predictable as rain.

You will never admit truth under any circumstances. You have a complete lack of humility and exhibit the kind of hardened arrogance one expects from Christians.

vampire
"The facts are with me. Conservatives are just as likely as liberals to be involved in all things labeled moral decay." Actually, they aren't. While some conservatives are undoubtedly "going with the flow", most are not. I have a lot of conservative and liberal friends. It is the conservative families that limit their children's TV and video time, not the liberals. It is the conservative families that actually become families to begin with, since a much larger number of liberals don't form families, or have single parent families. Conservatives are less likely to get abortions, too. The numbers on divorce are troubling, and have some problems in collection. For example, in my family, there are four children, eight marriages, and four divorces. All four divorces are by one brother. What is our family's divorce rate? Also, conservatives are less likely to be arrested or charged with crimes, to use drugs and so on. Sorry, Vamp. One has to believe too many impossible things before breakfast to agree with you.

To Johnnyp
Years ago I had a neighbor who was a Christian married to a Jewish husband with a last name generally recognized as "a Jewish name" (and she took his name when they married). When she was in labor, moaning and groaning, she overheard two nurses saying how, yes, Jewish women always make more fuss than anyone else when they are in labor.

Could your OB perhaps be stereotyping? What he said about Latina women sounds like "black people have natural rhythm".

Mother of 4
You say, "Biology is real." Well, yeah, but that means almost nothing. Men don't have wings yet they fly. I think biology doesn't concern you nearly as much as you claim. I suspect ideology is your biggest concern.

re: Lepanto
Reagan is the embodiment of the bumper sticker, "Ignorance is bliss."


Doctor's interesting observation
My wife’s Obstetrician made an interesting comment to us recently.

My wife was born and raised in Latin-America. She is a college educated city girl, not some tough salt of the earth farm girl.

We got married a few years ago and had a baby in January. When discussing pregnancy and birth with the doctor, she said that “Latinas generally have an easier time during delivery because they listen to their body and go with the flow. White women on the other hand tend to resist nature, fight the process, get anxious, and experience more pain and stress during delivery”.

By the way, the doctor has about thirty years experience and has delivered 3,000 or more babies.

When my wife gave birth, she held my hand and went into a “zone”. The baby was born a few hours later and she declined painkillers. To me, this was amazing because my wife does not seem to be a tough kind of person. She really impressed me with her sense of purpose and calmness with barely a whimper throughout the delivery

This experience seems to be another example of how American women are wound too tight and make things more difficult than they need to be (for themselves and everybody around them).

re: Donjindra
Uh, hello, Donjindra?

With 2,000 words, by definition, I'm limited to oversimplification. Doht!

Conservatives believe if they could just eradicate liberals, life would go back to traditional, conservative ways.

They are completely in denial that:

1.) They get divorced in like numbers
2.) They lose their virginity outside of wedlock in like numbers.
3.) They get abortions in like numbers.
4.) They let their children numb their brains with TV and video games in like numbers.

To wit, pick your favorite liberal evil and you will find conservatives are just as complicit in joining in the evil. Talk about denial.

It is laughable that conservatives posit liberals have some magic that controls them to get divorced, have pre-marital sex, have abortions...and if only these nasty liberals would leave the planet we wouldn't have these things!

Talk about cognitive dissonance. Conservatives consider themselves the party of "individual responsibility" and "accountability" based upon a huge denial, a denial that only liberals are getting abortions, getting divorced.

Yesterday's blog here had a telling tell-tale sign. Jillian posted that Americans identify 40 percent as conservative vs. 20 percent as liberal. Two posts later, Carol posted that Americans more than ever are EMBRACING THE NANNY STATE, asking for more and more freebies from the federal government. I had a personal laugh at the fact that neither of these two ladies connected the dots between the two posts.

The truth is that conservatives lack any humility. Their denial that they are just as deep in the decay waters as the liberals prevents them from entertaining any notion that perhaps it is not the liberals but something else.

The facts are with me. Conservatives are just as likely as liberals to be involved in all things labeled moral decay.

Retired Geek,
I simply don't get why some people insist on turning differences into injustices.

Biology is real. People need to learn to accept the objective facts about human biology and get over trying to rewrite reality.

While any given individual may differ from the norm, women and men have a broad pattern of differences that suit them for different roles in the only job that the biology of the human species cares about -- creating and raising the next generation.

And when either women or men go against their natures as women or as men they are likely to be unhappy because the emptiness and lack of purpose of a life lived for the moment-by-moment indulgence of the self alone is not conducive to happiness.

Vampire's Reflection
Reagan had self important liberals such as you pegged:

"It isn't that Liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

Your comments are the embodiment of an intellectual empty suit.

Interesting
Damn the liberal trolls are really out in force. Usually that's directly correlated with how angry the article makes them - since unlike Conservatives, they actively seek out misery to provide some excitement in their otherwise useless lives.

Feminist or Humanitarian
When I was young (and long before I became a Christian or a republican/conservative), I bought into the feminist attitudes to a point. But it soon became apparent that it was far from the healthiest attitude and approach to take. Yes, as one poster pointed out, technology has contributed to the changes in our society, but the sexual revolution did more to hurt us, I think, than anything. And I think a lot of women back then came to realize that eventually. We saw what a lot of our mothers and grandmothers went through and we were not going to let that happen to us. But as is usually the case.......man's ways are usually wrong and only bring further problems. I think a woman should have a choice of whether she wants to work or stay home with her family. And they should get paid the same as a man for the job they are doing. No woman and her children should be trapped in a situation with an abusive husband and father. However, I think the sexual revolution caused us to go too far and cast aside our marriages that a lot of times maybe could have been worked out. If I had to sum it up in one piece of advice to any young woman today......it would be to seek God and let him show you the way. I'm not saying it will be easy, but I have tried it both ways....and with him is much, much better. He will save you and your children from the anguish of bad decisions. He will look out for you and help you, if you let him.

All women's lib crap
was doublespeak/PCspeak/politicalspeak to get women into the workforce to increase money coming into gubmint coffers. Kinda like "hope" and "change". I'll take a real man and be a real woman anyday over this crapola.

The Answer Part 2
For the past 40 years men have been forced to lose their masculinity and become feminine. Their masculinity has been legislated and litigated out of them at work. Our culture and media only show images of white men acting childlike well into their 40s, and crying and whimpering because the dinner they prepared for their life partners got cold while those life partners were out solving crime, overpowering NFL players with karate, and cooling the planet.

Look around you. Note the new shape of "men" today: spindly, frail, weak eunuchs, quivering, trembling and biting their lips like schoolgirls. The chicks are working out, bulking up, and slaying dragons.

But what do these women do now? They're looking around for mates and finding little boys or semi-females as their pool of candidates and they're pisssssed!

The Answer Part 1
I regret having to answer this in two parts in order to thwart TH tech nazis trying to limit my speech.

Liberal women are the most unhappy of American women. Why is this?

The reason they are dissatisfied and unhappy, whether they realize it or not, is that they've succeeded in distorting the laws of nature which has resulted in them being alone and having to do all the work.

Too many American men, all liberal men and many GOP men, (GOP men are not conservatives), bought into the false notion that women really wanted men to morph into women. Men who did so know nothing of human and female behavior. It is never wise to believe what people say. To understand human nature you must be a careful observer of their behavior.

Now America has too many "males" who are more women than men, so much so that these "males" are actually taking on feminine features, including an alarming percentage of boys growing breasts.

Nature gives us many examples of species adapting to their environment by changing their appearances; gaining or losing certain appendages to survive threats or eliminate non-essential body parts.

The webbing between our fingers is a remnant of the time when we crawled out of the ocean, as scientists tell us. Likewise, our coccyx is a remnant of tails our ancestors had swinging through trees.

Vampire's Reflection
You assert: "the break-down of the family unit in modern era has everything to do with technological advancement."

You say conservatives over-simplify. I don't disagree. But your oversimplification is no better.

Today
The pill was supposed to free women from unwanted pregnancy and to allow them to have an active sex life without having be concerned about getting pregnant. However, it didn't work out that way. The women got more sex, but also got a lot more unwanted pregnancies. That led to a situation where 70% of black babies and 30% of white babies were born out of wedlock in spite of 50 million abortions since Roe v Wade.
With the frequent divorces it is no wonder that women (and men) are not very happy.
I have read that regular church goers are happier, healthier and live longer-and have more children than non-church goers. Most Western modern nations have a falling birth rate meaning that the people of them will be replaced by people from other backgrounds.
"Freed into a worse form of servitude?"
Donald W. Bales


BeeVee and Vampy
So what Bible do YOU read that mandates women be nothing more than homemakers, and they be forever barefoot and pregnant? Specific chapter and verses, please, for I have never seen such drivel in mine.

What specific rights are women in America now denied? Do you believe the Hollywood stereotypes of what a liberated woman actually is?

After you've catalogued them, which you cannot, perhaps you might be willing to go to the ME and fight for the ladies there.

Measuring the unmeasurable
It's pretty silly what economists think they can measure these days. What Phyllis Schlafly should stick to are her own opinions. Maybe she could tell us why she's always so unhappy.

If women
tried to model the life of the Blessed Mother in her humility and modesty--they would be blessed with the deepest joy in their lives...

Liberal Group Hug
. . . seems to be going on here. Still, every poll ever taken shows that conservatives are happier than liberals, married people are happier than unmarried people, and so on. If the conservative mindset is so destructive and contra-reality, why does it produce happiness and success in life? The increasing unhappiness among women is indeed a result of the feminist movement of the last forty years, not the telephone, car, and television. Increasing a person's sense of victimization and giving them unrealistic expectations is a formula for unhappiness, a virtual guarantee.

Conserving essential values in a world of change is the only way to survive the change and keep society strong and positive. Otherwise, you become merely a bubble on a wave, being carried wherever the wave will take you.

DHulme - Huh?
"the LGBT .........controlled media"

What the what? Do you have facts to support your claim that our media is controlled by gays and lesbians and trannies and bi-genders?

I've spent a little time in three major newpspaper offices and one major TV studio, and I can't say I found myself amidst the people you seem to think are our cultural enemies.

What are your facts?

Oppressive Joel
Joel, knowing how to push an agenda but not how to be accurate, says "Granted, it is anecdotal evidence, but every divorce situation that my wife and I heard about in the last 15-20 years was primarily the fault of the wife."


As Randy Pausch, the computer science professor from Carnegie Mellon who gave the famous "Last Lecture" used to say, "the plural of anecdote is not 'data'."

Joel makes (this post's mistake, he makes lots) the same mistake Pauline Kael (film reviewer for the New Yorker) made in 1968 when Richard Nixon won the Presidency--"How did he win? I don't know anyone who voted for him!"

Like Pauline, Joel needs to get out more. Especially outside of his head more...

Vamp REf
A terrific post. If only there were more threads like this one on TH.

I often think of WWII as an extremely important shift in the lives of women, as they were emplyed in large numbers for the first time and were able to frequently develop skills, confidence, and find new ways of personal fulfillment. Then, during the years following the war many of those jobs were given back but the bell had been rung, so to speak, most women were dead set against returning to lives of scrubbing toilets.

Following that, the contraceptive pills were introduced, which provided another new layer to women's desire to make their own choices as independent, intelligent adults instead of dependent, subservient baby factories.


Binc
"I read somewhere at some time that at least 50% of colonial women were pregnant when they married. "

That's a really interesting statistic. If you ever think of where you originally read it, I would really like to read more.

V Reflection said
"What's laughable is that Schlafly employed nannies to raise her kids. "

Not only did she employ nannies (because she was always on the road fighting for right-wing causes) she also campaigned not just against equal rights for women for also against equal rights for gays - she was an ardent proponent of the myth that homosexuality is a choice until one of her kids came out around the age of 15.

She's been pretty quiet on the subject since then.

Social Studies
If one is really interested in the changes in modern culture, including the family unit, I'd recommend a little science. Social science.

The "moral decay" of this and every first world country includes a decline in the family, religious and neighbor social constructs.

Prior to 1900, the average person lived and died within a thirty mile radius. The concept of a "stranger" was deeply rooted. Strangers were automatically considered hostile to the norms, mores and morals of a neighborhood.

Then after 1900, along comes the automobile, telephone and television. These three inventions have been shown to have completely annihilated the concept of a "stranger" in modern times.

We no longer know our neighbors. If we don't like the morals and norms of our neighborhood, church or family, we just up and leave and twenty-four hours later find a new one.

The freedom to move about uprooted all social contracts in this world, not just the family unit. It destroyed the neighborhood and the church.

Realize people can move about both virtually and physically. The television and telephone have allowed people to "join" communities that historically previously were never possible.

Add in birth control and longer life spans and we live in a world today that is 180 degrees different than any generation known to mankind.

Yet. Yet. Conservatives would have us believe that technological advancements in medicine and movement have played no role, none whatsoever, in the great "moral decay". Instead, the great "moral decay" is solely due to liberal philosophy like feminism. Ha ha ha! Hysterical!

Vampires reflection
You said exactly what I was trying to say, except you said it better.

I remember when Schafley and her friends were lobbying the congress wearing ruffled aprons and handing out loaves of home-made bread. They were fighting the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have guaranteed Equal Rights for women.

Now she's talking about how unhappy women are.

Maybe she should think about her own contributions to that survey's results.

Binc
I think you are right, there is much that technology and political movements have brought women that has definitely improved their lives and their opportunities.

But in my line of work I talk to many women (and men) from a disparity of socio-economic classes about their personal lives, and how they feel about them. Many of the women, because of the economy, are the sole supporters for their families - most of them are constantly living on the fear that they won't be able to come up with next month's mortgage or rent. Others even in this economy, don't worry about any of that, if they take jobs at all they are realtors, or writers or successful artists, otherwise they volunteer. I would say these women are by and large a pretty happy bunch. they have time to read, attend their book clubs, travel, and evolve. By the way, in the seventies, these women were smoking alot of pot and backpacking Europes with strings of boyfriends and lovers. They were hardly fundamentalist, conservative babies.

A agree with the poster who said that drawing a cause and effect scenario for all women that is based on '70s values is pretty shallow and meaningless.

Last, I also know women who are clones of the seventies protoypie Schfley is talking about. They attend church regularly, join bible clubs, and follow the conservative rule book. In general, they are not much happier than the other.



more options
I read somewhere at some time that at least 50% of colonial women were pregnant when they married. Believe it or not, people living today did not invent sex-been going on all along. And as far as birth control and longer life spans, well, as far as I'm concerned those things give us more options- and I'm a conservative.

Joan Fedor
Joan Fedor once said, "The biggest threat to Democracy today is over simplified solutions to complicated problems." That means conservatives are the biggest threat to mankind today: they try and apply simple, pre-technological, caveman models to a sophisticated technological word.

The biggest problem conservatives have today with all their social models regarding family are technical not political or ideological.

Namely the two biggies are:

1.) Birth control
2.) Longer life spans.

Imagine going 24 years, or 28 years, and being a virgin. ha ha! Something like 99 percent of all Americans state they have had premarital sex upon getting married. Think that happened one hundred years ago?

Prior to modern medicine women got married young because there was no birth control and the healthiest years for bearing children were the early years, everyone knew it.

To wit, the break-down of the family unit in modern era has everything to do with technological advancement and zippo, nothing, nada to do with feminism. Feminism is a canard raised by the ignorant to rule the ignorant.

In fact, if you want to blame the break down of the American family on a political party, blame the conservatives. Why? Because conservatives keep tossing out the same old tired, over simplified social models in the face of technological advancement, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand when danger approaches. Conservatives have no answer to birth control and longer life spans except "do what we use to do." Ha ha ha! That's why your lament was so frigging funny.

With the usual exception of Retired Geek
and a few other liberal-as-devils-obsessed posters here, there are many good and interesting contributions.
I read the column pretty quickly, but to me it seemed flawed in logic in terms of cause and effect.

Women are less happy? what about men? Teenagers, chidren? To say that women are less happy because we've seen a decline in the cultural strength of conservative movement is certainly an idea however a simplistic one.

Apparently, Schafley doesn't feel that the sliding economy, the growing divisions between the uber rich and the middle and lower middle class, which has forced more women to hold two or three jobs (and men) and has placed more strain on the family doesn't count for much. The rise of fundamentalist Christianity in the late 70s and 80s has not provided the personal salvation that many people felt would be theirs.

There is an existential disappointment with the promises and hyperbole of the right during both the Clinton and the Bush years. We went to bed with dreams of salvation and woke up with a load of debt, disillusionment, and seeing the opportunities for our kids would be less than our own.

why the unhappiness?
Would someone please state exactly what it is that's not available to women in our society? Contraceptives are available and plentiful-no more need for sheep bladders. I believe that recently I read that more women are graduating from college than men. We live longer and make the same amount of money for the same work experience and skills-otherwise we have access to lawyers more than willing to take on a lawsuit for us. Granted, the stats say we make less however that's because we choose to take time off for baby making and raising. Far as I'm concerned, we have the best of all worlds.

Mother of 4 et al

Thank you for your posts - they were very informative!

I always wondered why women seemed to be cold or hot or in a draft.

When my first daughter was born I realized why - milk that seemed just right to me, was either too cold or too hot according to my wife.

Never had a problem giving the baby a bottle approved by my wife - almost always had a problem with those I thought were just right.

My wife would suddenly say to me - will you cover the baby or uncover the baby.

I learned quickly about why women are more sensitive to temperatures and drafts.

WOMEN ARE HAPPIEST WHEN ...

.....They are barefoot, pregnant and waiting for their man to bring home the bacon ...

.....That is the way they are geneticaly engineered ...the unhappiness comes when they they resist the call of nature and try to compete with men in a man's world .....COLOSSUS

Ugh
"I suggest that women suffering from unhappiness should look into how women are treated in the rest of the world, and then maybe American women would realize they are the most fortunate people on earth."

Your last sentence ruined an otherwise sensible article. What? Get happy or the beatings will re-commence?

Conservatives need to find a way to support legitimate feminist goals while still pointing out the uglier side of Feminism such as the included quote from Simone de Beauvoir. But when you follow up a heavy hitting line like hers with one nearly equally offensive of your own, well...

Somehow
It's got to be Bush's fault

re: Donna
"Nuclear families, with a man at the head of the household, gainfully and full-time employed; a mother who teaches her children the values of life, and a family that lives together in love and respect, each valuable in their own right, even those not yet born...that is what makes our country strong."

ha ha ha! Thanks for that. You made me have milk come out my nose and tears come out my eyes. Bring back, "Leave it to Beaver!" Woooooo hoooo! Such fun.


Ignorance is bliss
Ignorance is bliss, and so is barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen! Woooo hoooo!

What's laughable is that Schlafly employed nannies to raise her kids.

Must be nice to be rich and be advocating a stay at home Mom.

Give me liberty or give me rich and happy! Yeah!

Further, a happy slave is such a better state of affairs and than a miserable, free black person. I think conservatives should rally around the misery of black people and advocate bringing back slavery, eh? I'm sure those black folk were much happier when the white folk were taking care of them, eh?

Feminism...yuk
Nothing has destroyed the family more than 'feminism', the belief that equality between the sexes means a better life for all.
Idiocy and stupidity, and this report is just more evidence.
TV shows are performed by actors - women in Hollywood get their jobs by wearing 3 1/2" heels, so they think ALL working women dress like that. Don't believe what you see on TV programs - their job is to get high ratings and sell lots of products, not to give the public an accurate picture of a woman's reality.
Nuclear families, with a man at the head of the household, gainfully and full-time employed; a mother who teaches her children the values of life, and a family that lives together in love and respect, each valuable in their own right, even those not yet born...that is what makes our country strong.
Feminism and it's evil twin, TV, will never get that...but we're smarter than them..those of us who reject the junk on TV and the pap of feminism are very happy and our families are doing well.
But, that's not newsworthy, or TV-worthy, is it?

Thanks guys
Evelyn, you're right. This society of ours also needs to respect men that are good fathers,and husbands that go out and bust their humps on a daily basis to provide for their families. They're ridiculed daily by a popular culture that trashes them for their success. Movies, sitcoms, literature etc. bash them mercilessly when in fact they're owed gratitude.

Liberal Depraved Indifference

The reality for those who live in a world of 'Depraved Indifference' (Liberals), is to justify or make excuses for their own personal lack of of character, or for their leader Barack Obama.

Liberals never learn from history, Liberals only want to 'Make History', by destroying or changing anything that has ever been deemed 'Good' by countless societies, into anything that has been deemed 'Evil' by those same societies.

Any thinker that is not blinded by ideology, can easily equate the similarities between the most destructive leaders in the history of mankind and Barack Obama.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama is a pathological narcissist and has a very weak sense of self.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama compensates his devalued and injured self with pomposity and by projecting a false image of majesty and authority.

Like all previous destructive leaders in history, Barack Obama retreats into a bubble universe of fantasy, in which he is loved, respected and omnipotent.

All children create such a world. Destructive Narcissists like Barack Obama and all previous destructive leaders in history, simply don’t leave it.

Barack Obama Like all previous destructive leaders in history, has carried this world of pretense into his adulthood.

Barack Obama has made his false image so real, Barack Obama can NO longer differentiate his 'Pretend World', from reality (real world).

Barack Obama has the emotional maturity of a child, but the intellect of a man.

Barack Obama is dangerous and will be become even more dangerous.

Unhappiness
is an acquired state of being just like Happiness is an acquired state of being. A lot of what women were unhappy with years ago was the fact that if they had to work outside the home to help make ends meet, they weren't treated with the same respect as men...same pay for same job skills, etc. Being a musician, I know of a church music director who had a full time job at her church, but when the new priest/pastor came, he immediately cut her salary in half "because she's a woman and doesn't need it." (I don't make this stuff up!) Needless to say, she quit!

But I also think the Women's Lib movement went a little too far making the corporate male the bad guy. I think what really destroys/undermines respect for women is how we are constantly being put in sexual situations no matter what the subject matter. On TV, the "professional" women are always wearing 3 1/2" heels, hanging out of their dresses, and always involved in "sexual tension" scenarios with their male counterparts. The clothes today being marketed at women yell out "lower cut, shorter, and tighter." In fact, it's very difficult to find profesional, affordable attire these days. You have to spend $$$$ in higher end stores to find better clothing you can actually appear in work wearing!

Like everything in life, every home situation is different. Every home has to work out its income and child care situations. And BOTH men and women want respect for their choices and equal rights as well. I look at roles as baloney. Households, no matter what makeup, have to worry about day to day duties to get things done. It doesn't matter who does what. Roles get in the way. I guess I'm saying everyone does everything. And we all need to respect each other and what we do.

Rudolf-validating Dutch stereotypes
Your sweeping attacks on Ms Schlafly do little to refute the notion that the Netherlands are full of androgynous New-Age fools addled by drugs and pornography and incapable of sound argument. Yes, she was attacked years ago by militant feminists when she dared to challenge some of their fundamental premises, yet she continues to put forth well-reasoned arguments today, while Gloria Steinem snarls and sputters "sexism" when Hillary loses to Obama. Do you wear clogs on your feet, or is it just your brain?

The Economics of Being At Home, cont.
...

Most families never bother to calculate work-related costs when they make these decisions. But even the part-time job I'm considering will cost me a new pair of shoes, 8 new outfits (a decent rotation being required in jobs where uniforms are not worn), the make-up and manicure supplies that I do not use for gardening and housework, additional laundry expenses for wearing multiple outfits per day, and higher food costs since said teenager is not as accomplished a cook as I am and will require more convenience foods.

We will also lose some of the value I put into activities such as sewing, gardening, and home maintenance which I will not have time for.

Our estimate for a job with no childcare costs and no travel expenses (within walking distance), is that I will put the entire first month's take-home pay into a job-appropriate wardrobe and that after that the value added to our income after all costs are accounted for will be about half the actual take-home pay.

And we are nowhere near having to deal with being bumped into a higher income tax bracket.

The Economics of Being At Home,
We've looked at the numbers for me getting a job several times. There are only 3 situations where, once you add up the costs of working, it is truly economically worthwhile for both parents to work outside the home.

First, if one has access to FREE childcare -- from family (even the closest of friends will eventually tire of raising someone else's kids for free), or via government schools. I am considering a part-time job right now and its only possible at all because the homeschooled, teenage daughter can watch her younger brothers.

Second, if the second parent to enter the workplace has a better than entry level job, only one child, and a competitive day care market with lower than average prices.

Third, if the second parent to enter the workplace has a high-paying, professional-level job AS DOES THE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED PARENT so that daycare costs in a normal to scarce market and other work-related costs don't exceed the salary.
...

Rwanda
Ah but Terry, this isn't Rwanda is it? This is a country in which we are given the opportunities to make our own beds, so to speak.

unhappy women
The bulk of unhappy women that I personally know are unhappy because of their choice of lousy mates and they can't possibly take responsibility for their stupid choices so they have to lash out and blame others for their unhappiness. There are plenty of fine good men out there but for whatever warped reason, too many women choose oafs-their problem, not mine.

Ms Kelly
You make some excellent points. My wife was college educated and in the work force before we were married. She went on to obtain her Masters after we married but before we had children. When we had children she stayed home with them until both were going to school fulltime, she then became a High School math teacher in order to be home when they were. My point is I know my wife has confidence in her abilities and could take care of herself if needed. I believe it has enhanced our marriage and I have always treated her as an equal partner. Due to some financial blessings in my job she has again become a fulltime homemaker which has been very beneficial with two daughters in High School. The biggest benefit is my wife helps my daughters with their math homework an area I am unfortunately clueless.

talent scout:
ts, writes: "Some people are impossible To communicate with, its absolutely impossible.

They do not live in the here and now, they live in the world the mind has created for them.

They cannot relate to anyone or any idea that does not already live inside their own heads."

Congratulations talent scout, no one on TH has ever typed more self-descriptive words.

Unhappy?
Have you ever noticed that it is the "liberal" women who are unhappy? Libs are ticks. The libs that I know don't have to toil for their own living. They have either had their wealth handed to them, live off the government, leach off of others, or are protected by a union. When you are dependant on other's for your happyness it ain't gonna happen.

No Happiness in Denying One's Nature,
Of course American women are unhappy. They are taught from childhood to deny their nature.

It is the nature of women to bond emotionally with one man and to form a family with him. It is the nature of women to bear children and to bond emotionally to them. It is the nature of women to center her existence around the home -- both in performance of the mundane tasks of daily living AND in their contributions to the economy.

The book Women's Work: the First 20,000 Years http://www.amazon.com/Womens-Work-First-Years-Society/dp/0 393313484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245161048&sr=8-1 has some interesting things to say about how and why certain fields of work became the provenance of women.

In brief, the home-centered activities of gardening (as opposed to farming), food processing and preparation, and non-industrial textile work are compatible with childrearing while big game hunting, blacksmithing, and farming are not. Not because some "patriarchy" declared it from on high, but because a toddler in a blacksmith shop will probably die.

This is both deep biology and simple common sense.

Additionally, throughout history and in every culture until now, an unmarried, barren women -- the state to which feminists teach our daughters to aspire -- was an object of pity. And why should a woman who has failed to contribute to the future, who will die leaving nothing behind her but worn clothes and a pile of correctly shuffled paper, not be unhappy with the emptiness of her life?

And, of course, the unhappiness will escalate as our sisters who were deluded by the feminists into abandoning all things feminine reach menopause and realize that its too late.

Why are women unhappy?
Because the loudest voices are those of screeching harridans for whom killing babies has become the ne plus ultra of womanhood.

These women don't want equal rights. They want everything their way. They're all about getting back at men, blaming them for everything that's not right in their lives.

It's impossible to be happy when that's all you're about.

Happiness
Happiness equals expectations divided by reality.

Lepanto
I think you are right about the blame men should accept.

When I was a young wife and mother, my husband treated me with disrespect because he thought he was entitled to. Many men held to the idea that only that which garnered a paycheck had any value, so he saw himself as the only valuable member of our family.

He also was careless about the way he treated me when he knew I was dependent on him because he knew I did not have the means to leave. When I worked full time and had my own financial resources, his treatment of me improved tremendously.

I really loved being a full time wife and mother, and I worked very hard at it. I had to enter the workforce, however, to get any self esteem. If my husband had treated me with the dignity to which I was entitled as a hard working, essential part of our family, I would not have entered the workforce.

I have a lot of interests in the domestic arts. I love gardening, cooking, refinishing old furniture, all kinds of decorating and home projects. Two years ago, I laid 400 square feet of ceramic floor tile in our home and saved $4,000 on the project doing the labor myself.

Working outside the home leaves me almost no time and energy for the things I love to do. This has contributed in large part to my discontent. I preferred to use my energy and talents to serve my family, not some corporation.

Taxes put strain on families
Taxes are also killing the American family. In my case, I am the primary breadwinner, and my husband is a student, musician, and the stay-at-home dad. The modest home I bought when I was single is fast becoming too small for my family of four. (My daughter and son cannot share a bedroom indefinitely, as they do now.)

We are pricing homes, and they prices are ridiculous. But I have bought small homes, and acquired plenty of equity, so we can swing the mortgage, even on one salary. The real problem is the property taxes in my town - which will nearly DOUBLE what I have to pay a month in my mortgage. This is absurd, and 60-70% of the taxes go to support public schools which are mediocre to poor, and which we will not be using, as we plan to put our children in Catholic school.

At least two ballot initiatives to increase property taxes have failed in recent years, which reflects the population's disgust with how high they are. So now they have increased the local sales taxes.

This tax-tax-tax cycle cannot sustain itself.

And what else?
Feminism's message is, at its core, a message of death. What other movement tells a woman that the high watermark of her femininity, her power, her humanity, is the "right" to destroy her own child, her flesh and blood, while it develops in her body - the body that has been designed and has evolved to protect that child?

This kind of biological schizophrenia is a prescription for personal unhappiness and deep-seated cultural illness.

lilly makes a good point
As a woman and a former divorce attorney, I can attest that so-called "no-fault divorce" - touted by feminists and other liberals and the be-all-and-end-all-oppression has been DISASTROUS for women, and stay-at-home mothers in particular.

In this country, if you breach a garden variety sales contract, you pay damages. If you willfully breach it, or your conduct is particularly egregious, you'll pay punitive damages.

But violate your marriage oath, and the courts say, "Big deal." Women who have given up lucrative careers get nothing - no alimony, and little in the way of other support. They are told to go out and "get a job," and the value of what they have contributed to the home and family is considered to be zero. The spouse who cheats - regardless of gender - walks away scot free. Everything is still divided "equally," because we now say that "fault doesn't matter."

Easy divorce has thrown untold numbers of women into the streets - or rather, into the work force, and their children into day care.

And this doesn't even begin to describe what "no fault" divorce has done to fathers. That is a column in and of itself.

Clearly, I need coffee!
I apologise for the repeated points in my two earlier posts! :(

Lindy
Believe me your kids will thank you for being there for them. It isn't an absolute guarantee they won't make foolish decisions once they reach the teen years, but trust me-your presence in the home does matter.

Most prominent feministas had/have truly miserable lives. Miss de Beauvoir shacked up with a man who beat her. Betty Friedan was raised by Communist parents. Gloria Steinem's dad deserted her and her mother. Kate Michelman's husband left her-pregnant-for another woman (that is why she had her abortion). Yep, they sure came a long way, baby. And made a lot of other women unhappy in the process.


Women's Intolerance
The "perfection and perfect balance" women are looking for does not exist. I have been an indepent and hig-earning woman for years and resent the lable "feminist". Having one's own ideas and skin does not need a label.

Having been a single parent, I can attest to the value of men and it is significant. Depriving my sons a male was a huge mistake. The results are visible if one is not so consumed with their wants and needs and sees the other side!

As a woman I do not care for many women. I find they have victimized themselves, with their attitude and behavior. Most feamles have little tolerance for men and do not understand there value and insights...maybe because they don't pay attention, are intolerant and just don't listen.

To me when a woman has children prior to having a career, she sends a very important message to her family: You are just not as important as me and what I want! It is not something that is spoken, but speaks volumes about her! Most females are very selfish and have convinced themselves; if they do not get what they want, they are being victimized, they just don't get it.

The Big Lie
Women were led to believe that all men worked in great jobs that they loved eventually becoming CEOs of the companies they worked for with the ease of gods. As Thoreau said, “Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them”. Men historically have worked dangerous, monotonous or stressful jobs out of love for their families. Post 1970, women got a taste of the world of fulltime employment realizing the world they were entering was not all executive lunches with lucrative benefit packages doing really meaningful work. Rather than acquiring respect for the men in their lives doing this kind of work for centuries women blamed them for the lie of fulltime employment being equated to domestic bliss by the feminists.

The blame men need to accept in this little feminist charade was when their spouses were entering the work force they saw nothing but dollar signs. Many did not value the central role women have always held in families not only for the fulltime job of running a household but the love and mentorship they give to our children. The decline of our children in virtually all areas has shown us the folly of the feminists.

MichelleO's future
You expect to be crowned Queen of America when Dumbo is crowned King. It won’t happen!!! Dumbo has declared that he is a Qaran-qouting Muslim. Muslims consider human females lower than farm animals.

On the day you expect to be crowned, you will be strapped to a table, undergoing FGM. You will get to listen to the screams, as it is done to your daughters. You will find all your and your daughters’ expensive designer dresses replaced with the black rags of the Taliban, even for your morning exercise.

Each of Dumbo’s three new wives will be younger than the previous one. As the first wife, you would expect to have the dominant position over the others; but, as the wife who didn’t have a son to carry on the tradition of FGM, you will be in last place as the Old and Barren WifeYou won’t be allowed to speak to any males without prior permission. You won’t be allowed to leave the house without a male keeper (Dumbo’s brother?).

Plan your escape now. Select a country without a Muslim population and without an extradition treaty. Send every cent there that you can, putting it into a secret account. Get multiple passports for each of you and your daughters, showing different names, appearances, and sexes, and always have your passports hidden on your person
Keep a close watch on what Dumbo does, what he says, and with whom he speaks, to know when to escape. You don’t know how much time you have left. When you go, do not go directly to your place of refuge. Make several stops in other countries on the way, changing appearances and passports at each stop.

Don’t think that I am writing this because I like you! You are a mean, nasty, miserable, excuse for a woman, who is living a life of privilege, who will not even pretend to appreciate the nation and people who made this life possible; but not even you deserve Muslim treatment.

Lilly
Why blame the current divorce laws for your friend's clearly foolish choices? SHE made the decision to marry this loser, after all. He, on the other hand, can hardly be blamed for wanting a bit of his own back on behalf of the millions of men who have been marginalized by government welfare programs, no-fault divorce, and the rather prevalent idea that men are just beasts. You reap what you sow.

As to Miss de Beauvoir, she was in a shack-up situation with a man who beat her. Miss Steinem's father deserted her mother when Gloria was very small; one gets the idea that she had a wrong-side-of-the-tracks upbringing. Betty Friedan was raised by Communist parents and never knew poverty. Not a single prominent feminista has ever known happiness-just look at their angry faces-and that's why they've done their best to bring everyone else down instead of taking a good hard look within and fixing their own problems.

Schlafly's Next Column:
"Why Rudolf Is Unhappy"

Role Models!
When Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, and so on are your idols, well you get what you get. To read more about the liberals idiotic ideas, check out this blog http://www.theblacksphere.net! This is one of the BEST on the net!

Why Western woman is unhappy
The same reason so many men today are, as well.

Aquinas, Rosseau, Voltaire, Kant, Hegel, etc, etc, etc...

These self-appointed gurus have destroyed any intellectual basis for understanding the proper functioning of the human species according to the original design of the Creator and have, instead, imposed their limited perspective on the situation from which we in the West now draw our influences, our inspirations and our understandings.

Jer 2:13

"For my people have committed two evils:
they have forsaken me,
the fountain of living waters,
and hewed out cisterns for themselves,
broken cisterns,
that can hold no water."
RSV

There is simply, no longer, anything out there in the general culture that can show them the right way to be.


Lilly from IL
From your 3:01 a.m. post: "The fact is that unless one parent is enormously well-paid, both parents must work."

This is a false premise.

There are many happy, healthy families where only one spouse works. That spouse does not earn an above-average income.

From your post:

"car payments" Don't buy a new car. Buy an old car with cash.

"maintenance" Keep an emergency fund.

"gas" Keep to a monthly budget.

"Home maintenance" Budget, learn to do repairs yourself, quit buying expensive home items.

"Clothing children is expensive" Buy second-hand. Teach children that designer clothes are not necessary.

"Groceries, don't even ask." Keep to a monthly budget. Learn to cook the way your grandmother did.

"Cell phones are necessary for children's security." False. Kids (and adults) can get along fine without cell phones.

"Computers are necessary for their education." Since when? There are many top students who do not have a home computer. They learn to use the ones at school and the public library.

"Medical care, orthodontics" Get an insurance policy that covers only major medical.

"vet bills---expensive" Don't keep an expensive animal.

Lilly, you (and most other poor Americans) have lost sight of living within one's means.

Lindy
You are quite right a lot of men hold the attitude "Fine. Just don't expect any help from us". The big fallacy of women's Lib is that it is based on the crazy assertion there is no difference between men and women. What total asinine PC garbage. Fortunately, men and women truly like and are drawn to members of the opposite sex. Perfectly understandable in the case of us men. Women are such cuddly fragrant mysterious fascinating little creatures. What i can't understand is what they see in guys. Oh well, i don't understand electricity either, but i can turn on the lights.

Feminism Needs to be Redefined
There are two kinds of feminism: one defined by the left, and one defined by the right. I believe that a feminist is a strong, principled, moral, ethical, intelligent, conservative, religious woman who leads by example. She can be a housewife or the President, according to her beliefs and desires.

happy, happy, happy
Lindy, I'm with you on this. I'm a conservative woman and am a happy little camper. Back in the day, I went to college, had a hardcore career, met and married a wonderful man, had a child and chose to stay home and watch her grow. I have had the opportunity to have it all and I do give the Libbers thanks for the opportunity. Women's lib, like affirmative action, was necessary in my book but like affirmative action it went on too far and too long.