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Saturday, June 20, 2009
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
U.S. Government's Climate Con-job
by Paul Driessen
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Suppose a company doctored data, misrepresented study findings, replaced observations with computer simulations and hired PR flacks to promote its new “wonder drug.” News stories, congressional hearings and subpoenas would be in overdrive. Fines and jail sentences would follow. And rightly so.

But the standards change when “climate catastrophe” is involved.

The House of Representatives is preparing to vote on a 942-page bill to tax, regulate and penalize all US hydrocarbon energy use. The Senate promises an August vote. In December, 190 countries will meet in Denmark to discuss slashing carbon dioxide emissions, to “save the planet from global warming disaster.”

But average global temperatures peaked in 1998 and since have fallen slightly, even as carbon dioxide levels continue to climb. Antarctic ice shelves show no signs of climate change, a six-year study has determined, while Arctic ice is seasonably normal. Hurricane activity is at a 30-year low.

Thousands of scientists say CO2 has little effect on planetary temperatures, and there is no climate crisis. Few developed countries are ready to commit economic suicide by agreeing to reduce their CO2 emissions by even one-tenth of what Waxman-Markey demands for the United States. Most Americans put global warming dead last in a Pew Research list of 20 concerns.

Climate Armageddonites are trying to counter these inconvenient truths, scare people into clamoring for climate legislation, and enact the job-killing Waxman-Markey bill before more citizens realize they’ll be forced to pay $$$$ trillions for a hypothetical 0.1 degree Fahrenheit reduction in global temperatures. What to do?

Issue another report by government scientists carefully selected to present alarmist views on climate disasters. Ignore contrary data and analyses. Rely almost entirely on computer-generated worst-case scenarios. Hire an activist media firm that specializes in environmental scare campaigns. And spend tens of millions hyping disasters that will befall us if we don’t act immediately:

Rising sea levels, floods in lower Manhattan, California beaches permanently submerged. Ferocious hurricanes, floods and droughts. Food shortages, epidemic diseases, a quadrupling of heat-wave deaths in Chicago. Aged sewer systems convulsing from massive storm runoff. Wildflowers disappearing from Rocky Mountain slopes and polar bears from the Arctic. Leisure time gone as people struggle to survive.

“Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States” is the “most up-to-date, authoritative, comprehensive” analysis ever done on how human-caused warming affects the United States, deadpans Obama “science advisor” John Holdren.

Actually, it’s the most flagrant attempted con-job and propaganda campaign in US history.

If it helps Congress enact cap-and-tax legislation, it will give activists, courts and bureaucrats control over virtually every aspect of our lives. It will enable them to confiscate hard-earned dollars, convert them to payoffs for activists and companies that get on the climate-crisis bandwagon, consign uncooperative companies and scientists to the ash heap of history, and conceal the exorbitant costs of restrictive energy policies – on families, industries, jobs and transportation – until long after the bill becomes law.

The bogus “report” conflates and confuses human activities and emissions with the powerful natural forces that have caused major and minor climate changes and weather anomalies since the dawn of time – from the Carboniferous Period to the Age of Dinosaurs, from the Big Ice Ages and interglacial periods to the Little Ice Age, Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, Dust Bowl and countless others. It relies on conjecture, conformist thinking and conspicuous elimination of contrary, skeptical, realist scientists and studies that do not support climate cataclysm conjecture and ideology.

The authors “largely ignored” critical comments to earlier drafts and made the final version “even more alarmist” than infamous UN “summaries” of global warming “crises,” says Joseph D’Aleo, first director of meteorology at the Weather Channel and former chairman of the American Meteorological Society’s Weather Analysis and Forecasting Committee. The report is simply “wrong on many of its claims” and marks “an embarrassing episode for the authors and NOAA,” D’Aleo concludes.

University of Colorado environmental studies professor Roger Pielke, Jr. says the report “misrepresents” his own work, makes claims that are not supported by citations provided, relies heavily on analyses that were never peer reviewed, ignores peer-reviewed studies that reach opposite conclusions from those proclaimed by the report, and cites analyses that do not support conclusions rendered.

“I didn’t notice a single recognized hurricane expert in the list of authors,” says NOAA Hurricane Research Division scientist Stanley Goldenberg. The report relies heavily on surface temperature data from monitoring stations located next to parking lots and air conditioning exhaust ports – falsely skewing temperature records upward – other experts noted. It is lead-heavy on assumptions, assertions and speculation – hydrogen-light on evidence.

But the most egregious miscarriage of science in this agit-prop exercise is its near-total dependence on worst-case scenarios conjured up by computer models. That’s where it gets its litany of Day After Tomorrow Hollywood disasters.

These climate models have never been validated by actual observations, notes Professor Robert Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at Australia’s James Cook University. Indeed, Australia’s own climate modeling agency (CSIRO) stresses that climate change scenarios are based on computer models that “involve simplifications of [real world] processes that are not fully understood. Accordingly, no responsibility will be accepted … for the accuracy of forecasts inferred” from its reports.

“Modeling results are interesting – but worthless for setting public policy,” says Carter. But that is exactly how they’re being used.

Sure, it’s conceivable that Antarctica could melt, and cause sea levels to rise 20 feet, as Al Gore and the government con-artists suggest. Greenhouse gases would merely have to increase average annual Antarctic temperatures from their current –50 degrees Fahrenheit to +40 degrees for a century or two, to melt 200,000 cubic miles of South Pole icecaps. A mere 90-degree swing.

That may be as likely as having the planet overrun by raptors and T-rexes cloned from DNA in fossilized mosquitoes. But it’s conceivable. And in the realm of global warming politics, that’s all that matters. As MIT atmospheric physicist Richard Lindzen observes, “global warming has developed so much momentum that it has a life of its own, quite removed from science.”

As one climate activist group put it: “The task … is not to persuade by rational argument.” It is “to work in a more shrewd and contemporary way, using subtle techniques of engagement. The ‘facts’ need to be treated as being so taken-for-granted that they need not be spoken.” The strategy is to treat “climate-friendly activity as a brand that can be sold. This is the route to mass behavior change.”

This is the kind of science, transparency, honesty and accountability we have come to expect over “human-caused climate chaos.”

If the congressional, administration and activist conspirators behind this massive deceit were in the private sector – peddling bogus drugs, rather than bogus science – they’d quickly become convicts. Instead of jail time, though, they’ll probably get bonus checks.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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It's not about global warming...
it's about the biggest power grab, the biggest tax hike in history and complete government control over all aspects of our lives. Every time you switch on a light, dry your hair, turn on your television, your energy will be monitored. Big Brother is here! And his name is Barack Obama.

Zeigler
Oh by the way, Wikipedia is not considered a primary resource. It isn't even considered a secondary resource. I think that Oldprof was being generous referring to Wiki as even a tertiary source.

Now if you are referring to the sources given by the people who submit data to Wikipedia then it depends on the sources given and how they are referenced. It is not uncommon for people to site a resource incorrectly and inaccurately (either on purpose or accidentally).


Take care.

Zeigler @3:44PM 5/21/09
No problem on the mistake from skimming; it happens to us all. But I am confused…where did the LGBT community come into this? This column is about AGW and disagreements over the science, not homosexuality. I think you may still be confused. To be honest I have good friends who are gay and I really do not care about the debate.

Concerning Revolution: I will not resort to violence until every other avenue has been exhausted and has failed. But like the people of Iran, I will not allow my government to play games with my rights and my vote. That those currently in power in DC appear to be attempting to undermine the U.S. Constitution deeply troubles me. I once swore an oath to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic and to defend and uphold the Constitution. That oath has not and will not expire.

Global Warming Is A SCAM!!
In fact,if the U.S., Eruope or anyother country who is a user of vast imports from China and other parts of the developed and undeveloped world, truly cared about the environment, including CO2, they would stop buying from China and these other nations that have ZERO environmental protections.

The U.S. Liberal Democrats are using Global Warming for two reasons: (1) Many of their buddies are making billions with Green Politics that equates to huge sums of Federal Monies being funnelled to these So Called Green companies. (2) It is a way To Bring In More Revenue so that the Socialists in Charge can continue to fund and Expand This Useless Socialist Nations Departments and Agencies, in their constant quest for Absolute Control and Power. This is the whole Global Warming Green summed up in simple terms. Do not believe even one thing that Al Gore, Hussein Obama or any of the other Serial Liars who are profiteering from this scam, as well as seizing power and control and raising taxes.

Earth the victim of pol. correctness
Humans need to take good care of the planet that has been entrusted to us. However, environmentalism has become such a politically charged topic that it is unacceptable to question the government's motives or actions when it comes to our care of the Earth - leading to a lack of common sense on the issue. Obama's most recent plan actually will increase coal burning and coal emissions, because of the financial influence the coal industry has, and many other governmentally-funded and -backed programs do not serve as solutions to the problems they claim to address either. There are simply too many money interests and too much unquestioned political correctness at the Capitol.

Not a Conspiracy?!
How is it possible that there's no supposed conspiracy but yet ALL THE MEANS are coming together TO ACCOMPLISH this INSANITY - destruction of our economy at the least, etc - despite REAL SCIENTISTS refuting the outrageous lies/sales pitch and rational economists able to see how astronomical the costs?! Stupid (or evil?!) Politicians are merrily going along with it, and too many gullible Americans are utterly blind to what's coming - REAL, DIRE, MAN-CAUSED CONSEQUENCES that are far worse than the scary scenarios they predict! YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS STORY UP! Not even fantasies of BIG PROFITS could be enough to warrant this - WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE THEY THINKING?! Someone stop the world - I WANT TO GET OFF!!!

1984 strategy
The Obama administration operates in a "crisis" mode, scaring people into rubber stamping new policies and legislation.

Of course anthropogenic GW is bogus! Obama and the rest of the powerful schmucks know it, but there are sufficient true believers out there who chug-a-lug the koolaid. The MSM loves it because it's scary, makes for good TV.

Remember 1984 and Emmanual Goldstein? Remember the constant war between Oceania and whatever? Welcome to 1984 in the 21st century: Obama's Ministry of Truth, newspeak etc. . . Big Brother really is going to take care of us (only not in a good way).

All us non-believers are headed for the worst thing in the world in Room 101.


Reply to Roy in WV
Yes, Roy, I too remember the DDT scare. Of course, these Global Environmental Terrorists such as Al Gore, could care less that DDT was banned here, but could care less that it is still used worldwide. Yet, these Global Climate Change Hucksters, are pushing the U.S. to spend hundreds of billions that they funnel to the WHO, The UN and other World Organizations.

The same goes for the Lead Scare and all the Other Scares that whackoes come up with, and knee jerk politicians jump on the band wagon.

That is why we need to abolish the EPA. Those folks have built a Bureaucratic Empire, and they have to keep their functionaries busy Finding New Threats TO Our Safety, Health and Enviromental concerns. This is just a way of those bureaucrats justifying their positions.

This is the case of every U.S. government agency or department. Once the government creates an agency or department to deal with a "perceived problem", that problem is guaranteed never to improve, but will always grow worse as the Agency or Department Grows In Size, Power, and Expenditures. In short, every government agency or department becomes it's own empire, and has no vested interest in alleviating the problems that it was designed to deal with, and in fact has to make sure the Problems grow worse and grow in size in order for the Department or Agency To Justify It's Own Existence. It is no more complicated than this.

Anybody Remember DDT??
I'm old and Crazy (my wife says "Just about up to Ur Best if Used BY DATE"), but I AM NOT STUPID. I reckon when Ms Carson wrote 'Silent Spring' back *when* she meant well..MILLIONS of DEAD AFRICAN KIDS later it appears that *They* have elected to give DDT another LOOK??
I put GW in the same category..BUT Worse.. I'm sure Ms Carson believed what she wrote and killing African Children was not her intent..Al Gore, T. Boone, et al aren't concerned all that much about the Climate, maybe?? FOLLOW THE $$$..

Reply to Squarepeg!
O'Reilly is no believer. He is a believer in promoting O'Reilly. I bet if you connect his dots, you will find he too has some investments in The Green Movement Companines taht will capitalize off Tax Payers Back with these new taxes.

This government is entirely too big, and the buraucracy is too costly. Nobody in the Democrat party is going to suggest cutting spending or abolishing agencies and departments, so they are going to continue to figure out ways to tax those of us who work, own legitimate businesses or own property, at exessive rates.
But, they are not going to leave it at that. You are going to see taxes on everything you use go up. They have alrady hit tobacco users and producers. They are going to do the same for Soda Pops, McDonald's Hamburgers, and anything else they can find to put taxes or user fees on. If you go to National Parks, as I do, I have already seen fees going up and I have also seen where they are putting more commercial enterprises inside protected wilderness areas as a way of getting more fees.

What we are going to have to do when we get back in power, is to begin the abolishing of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies, and cut funding of the legitiamate departments and agencies. Abolishing the U.S. Department of Education and Dept. of Energy should be the first two to go. Both were started by that nit wit socialist, Jimmy Carter. EPA needs to go as does the FDA. The FDA is now wanting to grab more control and are now controlling the tobacco industry.

Obama is implementing the policies that the Liberals have been waiting for for the past 40 years. All this stuff they are doing was not dreamed up overnight. They have had legislation sitting by waiting for this time in history when the Leftists Control Congress, and that is why The Leftists who run the DNC selected this Puppet Obama to do their bidding because they know he is a Rubber Stamp for any piece of trash legislationg they hand him.

Answer for Charles in Pa
Follow The Money!!

Connect the dots: Pelosi--Investments in T. Boone's Windmills.

GE==Parent company of NBC==GE is getting a lot of Green Technology Money in the form of Smart Meters, etc. Aslo, GE is getting many bucks for Consolidating Medical Records for the Panic-Driven Universal Health.

IBM==getting billions to Make A so-called better Grid to keep us with the Windmills, Soalar Panels, etc.

Al Gore===Tipper Gore's Family owns Peabody Coal--Go figure! Oh yeah, Clean Coal is also a new Green Mantra.

So, Charles, Follow the Money and You will Understand this Impending Disaster that the government is ramming down our throats, and of course, they are going to make you and me and every energy consumer in this nation pay for this through taxes that they extract from us and dispense to IBM, GE, T. Boone Pickens, Peabody Coal and other Green Interests. That is all any of this is about.

Follow the Money (The Green Motive)
Back in the 1960's and 1970's, the tree huggers were considered "The Lunatic" drug-crazed fringe. Some of the same lunatics got older and now hold important and powerful positions. Hillary Clinton and Al Gore come to mind. And, of course, you had old Ralph Naeder who was always out there pushing his agenda.

Finally, the Greens figured out ways of making money and gaining power with this lunatic philosophy, and today, we have a congress that is packed with lunatics from California, who are pushing this cap and trade as a way of taxing users of energy, to finance their lunatic ventures with Solar and Wind Mills. And, of course, these California Liberals have a bigger interest than the Environment. They have monetary interests mainly. Nancy Pelosi is heavily invested in T. Boone Pickens and some of his lunatic ideas, and of course good old T.Bone Pickens, General Electric and IBM are going to make billions off this Government Mandated Luncacy. Just follow the money, and you can see why all of a sudden, Green is the catch phrase. In actuality, these lunatics do not believe any of their Hype either. They just have to make us believe that there is an impending crisis in order to promote the Cap And Trade as a way of Funding this Governments out of control and oversized bureaucracy.

Don't know about you guys but.....
Here in Noo Yawk we're having the coldest wettest June in about 30 years. To Hell with Algore and his minions.

-Ray


O'Reilly's a believer!
Just heard a radio commentary by Bill O'Reilly in which he was condescendingly sneering at conservatives who do not buy the global warming/climate change propaganda. He says we all should want "clean air", as if CO2 was "dirty". All I can think of is he is as uninformed as everyone else on his side who has not taken the time to read up on the subject.

@13-Bravo, 5:37 Jun 20
"Did you even read what Oldprof had written?"

I was preoccupied and skimmed it. Sorry. >_< But isn't a source on Wikipedia considered a primary source?

"As for the possibility of a 2nd American Revolution how do you expect people to react when a majority of our elected officials are so willing to dismiss the Constitution in favor of socialism. We will not surrender our rights without a fight."

The LGBT community feels slighted, that their rights are being denied, but you won't find any of them plotting to blow up churches or whatnot. USE THE SYSTEM. Organize grassroots campaigns. Win the people over to your side.

I'm not a pacifist; sometimes violence is absolutely necessary. But I implore you, using violence in a democracy is a cheap and cowardly way to get what you want, one that will not be supported by the public at large.

@KG 5:18 Jun 20
Yeah, I can think of a lot of conservative policies that are wacked out from my point of view too. The difference between you an me is that I don't want to, or to speak a little more diplomatically, feel it is necessary to kill people over.

Jeez, man, it's politics. You had your years in power, now we have ours, and one day, sure enough you'll have your's again. This is not a dictatorship. We are not ruled under a king. Instead of going to your gun, use the system and vote.

Obama Can Save Planet by Excess Taxes
The evil ways that men around the world are behaving are causing so much pollution in the air that they're already chocking us to death and then they're writing Executive Orders so fast that creates excessive taxation to pay for population control in the form of euthanasia proposals; beheadings; wars; nuclear bombs; suicide bombers; drugs; alcohol; murders; suicides and alleged suicides; mass abortions of human lives; and so forth....that it would take a lot more than punishing people through excessive taxation for energy costs and turning black to green to save the planet. By the way, I think if you look up, you'll find the answer.

No Jim - you're describing yourself
Glaciers are not melting worldwide. What do you base this shibboleth on? Actually, many glaciers are now advancing again.

Species are not "retreating" to higher latitudes. They are expanding their territories due to more favorable conditions. They are not abandoning their original territories as you imply, but merely expanding them.

You need to get out more and find more diverse sources for your information.

Unfortunately, we may be getting ready to see the opposite taking place since the earth has entered a cooling period. Hopefully, it will be one of the smaller 30 year cycles and not something heralding a return of something much worse.

Global warming
You folks are letting your ideaology over ride your brain power. Item: worldwide glacier melt. Item: worldwide species retreat to higher latitudes and elevations. Item: demonstrable increase in amount and devastation of wildfire. You may argue whether or not it is man-caused but make no mistake--climate change is here.

Don't Tread On Me
Great post.

They do everything you say and more. Notice how self-righteously indignant they become when you challenge them. They don't offer any facts or proof, especially of an empirical nature.

Rather, they huff and puff about who do you think you are to challenge "ALL" the scientists of the world who know the debate is over and the science is settled.

Then....fill in the blanks with what they call you.
Tobacco attorney (a real screamer!)
Oil company shill
Member of the Denial Machine
Knuckle-dragging mouth-breather
Flat earther who disputes the moon landing

You know the drill. Then with a smug look, they think they have proved their point.

They definitely are not rowing with both oars in the water.

NASA's GISS
I should have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but one of the premises of Paul's column regards the fabrication of data.

In my opinion, James Hansen and Gavin Schmidt of NASA's GISS are guilty of gross scientific dishonesty, if not outright criminal fraud. They have repeatedly "adjusted" the raw data in their data sets (the raw data is already contaminated with so many errors) so that they create a bias towards warming even when one doesn't exist. Every adjustment they perform adds support to their claims of AGW. Statistically, this is impossible. This is like flipping a coin 20 times and every time it comes up heads.

Many times, once they have performed their "adjustments" they over-write the raw data which destroys the original data and makes replication by honest scientists impossible. We know they have done this because on several occasions the raw data was captured on mirror sites. This preserved the original data proving GISS had tried to destroy it. They also refuse to provide the algorithms used to adjust the raw data so it could be scrutinized.

We have the Data Integrity Act requiring all data generated with tax dollars to comply with what should be common sense quality control to safeguard its integrity. At the least, these incompetents ignore those requirements, and at the worst deliberately so. They should be fired at minimum, and probably brought up on criminal charges and convicted.

The Big Lie, & the P-Word
(quote)As one climate activist group put it: “The task … is not to persuade by rational argument.” It is “to work in a more shrewd and contemporary way, using subtle techniques of engagement. The ‘facts’ need to be treated as being so taken-for-granted that they need not be spoken.” The strategy is to treat “climate-friendly activity as a brand that can be sold. This is the route to mass behavior change.” (end quote)

I wish Paul had provided a date for this quote. This strategy has been in play AT LEAST since the late 1990's; really ever since the campaign for the Kyoto Treaty got going. Anthrogenic CO2 Induced Climate Change dogma has indeed been "taken-for-granted." ALL of the pop media for nearly 2 decades (definitely since 2000) have constantly insinuated & implied that ACO2ICC has been at some point been proven, & now our ruling elite have only to get on to the fun part of taxing & regulating every aspect of our lives in its name.

Another name for this technique is The Big Lie.

Note that this is all about "mass behavior change." The ACO2ICC dogma is just the vehicle for a whole slew of leftist agendas implemented by controlling our access to energy. Everything on the policy table now is all about how to ration an artificially limited supply of energy, NOT about how to make energy without increasing CO2! The worst thing that could befall these people would be some miracle like a breakthru in fusion or solar satellite promising unlimited cheap energy, such that we could recapture CO2 from the air if need be.

We need leaders who reply to every repetition of these idiotic PSA's & begged questions "When was it proven? Point to the occasion on which it was proven!" The totalitarian warmies HATE the P-word because they can't. They just imply that nonetheless there's some SECRET proof, that is revealed only to the inner circle of initiates, that proves global warming.

Greyhawk
Regarding your last post about the welfare state -

Thomas Sowell always comments on how remarkable it is that the black family (with strong family bonds centered on religion and other values) was able to withstand and survive more than 200 years of slavery, segregation, and discrimination all the way to the 1960s when our 'morally-superior' liberal betters imposed the Great Society on them. In less than a decade they managed to destroy and disintegrate the black family. Among other things, they did this by making the father not only redundant, but counterproductive. The welfare check and other benefits replaced the father.

Young males raised without fathers became predators whose most sought-after achievement became knocking up their women and then abandoning the young children before they were born. Rinse and repeat and now we have an endless, self-perpetuating cycle of dysfunction and a consistently available new crop of people with their hands out, requiring the largesse of an all too-willing government just to survive.

But I might be wrong because the liberal Democrats always tell us that all of this is due to the angry hateful white males in the Republican party. And many blacks are only too willing to latch onto this so they have someone to blame instead of turning on who is really responsible (liberal government) to get their own house into order.

Be Politically Incorrect ASAP (2)


I work around professionals with graduate and higher degrees, and they are as ignorant as a bag of rocks. I have actually heard a PHD professional make the statement, "If the government runs out of money, they can print more." And when you have a so-called educated person make statments such as this, it is not wonder that the vast majority of citizens are as ignorant as they are. And, people who make these statements are almost always Bleeding Heart Liberals who belive in the Welfare State.

The Welfare State was created by LBJ in order to destroy the poor. Welfare since the 1960s has sqauandered over 9 trillion dollars on Welfare Programs to End Poverty, and in the process they destroyed Family Values and Work Ethics, and destroyed morality, by Rewarding Reckless, Irresponsible and Immoral Behavior. Teens having babies and going immediately to sign up for welfare programs, and the band plays on.

Be Politically Incorrect ASAP. (1)
The liberal media and so-called entertainment industry has been pushing Political Correctness; pushing Immorality; Pushing and Promoting Lunacy of all sorts, including Green Environmental Policies in everything they have produced since at least, 1970.

As for myself in my day to day activities, I go out of my way to Be Politically Incorrect, and also I never by any product that advertises that it is Green or Environmentally friendly.

It is all a Sales Pitch that is supposed to impose guilt as a tool to make you feel guilty, and if you are against it, you are looked at from a social standpoint of being insensitive or ignorant.

What the Media, Public Schools, and Government has done is that they have Programmed People By the Programs they watch. The media advertisers know what they are doing. They realize that children's minds are very susceptible to input into their minds, and they target the children who they know to be naive and impressionable. The public Schools have dumbed down the population and at the same time are brainwashing them, and then these kids grow up as robots, with no understanding of how truly ignorant and illiterate they have become.

I work around professionals with graduate and higher degrees, and they are as ignorant as a bag of rocks. I have actually heard a PHD professional make the statement, "If the government runs out of money, they can print more." And when you have a so-called educated person make statments such as this, it is not wonder that the vast majority of citizens are as ignorant as they are. And, people who make these statements are almost always Bleeding Heart Liberals who belive in the Welfare State.


Ditto Topperj in NY
Socialism always leads to Totalitarianism, and nobody has tried to push a Fascist Totalitarian Agenda faster than Obama.

A hundred years of so-called Progressivism has brought us to this time in history.

Woodrow Wilson was a So-Called Progressive; FDR; JFK; LBJ; Jimmy Carter; Slick Willie Clinton, and now Obama is delivering on 100 years of Promises and Expansion of Government into Total and Complete Federal Control of Everything and Everybody.

Kruschev told us around 1960 that the Totalitarian Communists would eventually overtake our government without firing a shot.

Kruschev knew what he was talking about, because he knew that we already had Communists In The U.S. Congress, and also working in many U.S. Government agencies and departments. McCarthy knew this in the 1950's and the Leftists in the U.S. Congress censored and destroyed him for exposing the Communists in our government and, especially, the Hollywood Communists. The entire Hollywood Establishment is controlled by Communists. Take a look at California if you want a closeup look at Communism, and what it does to a state. California Regulates French Fries, and serves as a Sanctuary for Illegal Aliens, and they are bankrupt.

DOWN YOUR THROAT
Yes they are jamming it down your throats and you will pay thru the nose taxes,high utility bills:they will get rid of coal and oil and when it really gets cold,you will freeze your rear as solar cells and windmills aren't going to get it!

Control;
Just keep repeating to yourself, "It's about control." That's all you need to remember when discussing anything of this nature. Whether it's so-called "climate change," health care, education, whatever the current buzz-phrase, it's about controlling you, the individual, to conform to some government approved way of life. Individual freedom and liberty are what's at stake here. All of this is a variation of the "low-flow" toilet. Just so much crap that's hard to get rid of.

BRAVO 13 Bravo and WRAT
Great posts.

I'm out of here for tonight.

Peace,

Sam

cold fusion
I find it amazing that "green" has come to mean eliminating the very CO2 that makes things green! I guess they haven't yet heard of photosynthesis, something that most of us heard about in 6th grade.

I think their "green" is what happens when you get gangrene and a doctor has to cut your appendage off...Hopefully it's not the wrong appendage! But, the particular one I have in mind was removed a long time ago for most of these Leftists:)

It's not "green" it's RED
'The strategy is to treat “climate-friendly activity as a brand that can be sold. This is the route to mass behavior change.”' --P. Driessen

Which results in intelligent, patriotic Americans refusing to buy anything that is "earth friendly," "green," or organic! The number of radio advertisments here where I live that mention "environmentally friendly" and other such phrases is beyond statistically significant. So I take it quite literally that this agenda is "a brand to be sold."

What an excellent treatment of the subject. Thanks.


Sure, 13-B:
I recalled it from about 35 years ago in Catholic prep school. See, back then we had actual TEXTBOOKS not tracts on multicuralism and self-esteem realization.

The Algebra book started each chapter with a tidbit on the history of the math we were learning and one mentined Omar Khayam and his poetic math text. Another showed the development of Arabic numbers being derived from a circle if you can believe it.

The Egyptians were even smarter. One of the early Ptolemys ( the lineage of Cleopatra Philopeter in fact) was a genius. Using only a wooden staff rammed into the sand and 365 rocks he not only determined the number of days in a year but that the Earth revolved around the Sun!! About 2,000 years before either Copernicus or Gallileo.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Whoa! Dinner!
As for me, it was Wednesday's reheated outdoor grilled hamburger steaks, warmed-over sweet potatoes, and green beans--all of which I microwaved and served to my wife and my nearly 89 year old mother-in-law from Illinois, who is staying with us for a few weeks.

While it was satisfying enough, I'd say your dinner sounds a wee bit more splendid.

I just noticed that Robert is contemplating grizzly bears.

Matthew @6:58PM
I stand corrected. Your science is as convincing as any issued by Al Gore, Obama or any of the other truly brilliant individuals that the Democratic Party has produced. You have put a lot of thought and effort into this and I can appreciate that. And what really cinched it was when you announced that the science was settled and that there was no debate. If you had only mentioned this in your earlier post I would never have had the nerve to question the authenticity of your science.

I would ask one small favor; please do not use strange words like umbrage when communicating with me. I went to public school. It took me several minutes of googling to find out what it meant (I kept misspelling the word). I couldn’t figure out why you were taking an umbrella with me until I reread the word.

Oldprof
I must wait for your answer at a later time. I have been summoned by my better half to prepare our dinner on the grill.

My prodigal son has come home for Father's Day from MIT and graced us with one of his very rare appearances.

Grilled scallops, shrimp, and salmon, among concoctions of garlic, mushrooms, and pasta are among the treats awaiting us.

I will resume our conversation after we are sated with these pleasures if you are still around.

I greatly enjoy the communion with you and Robert from AZ, and it is especially enjoyable without Charles the hater online.

answer
You spread cream cheese on it and take a bite. If it bites back, it's a beagle.

PV re Mark L
"I would think that Levin would have this approach figured out."

Being a pretty good legal beagle, I suspect he's trying.

BTW, totally off the subject: Do you know how you tell the difference between a beagle and a bagel?

answer on next post.

Oldprofiscus - interesting times indeed
I, unfortunately, have not yet partaken of Levinicus' new work. From what I hear, it will make me 'get off the phone' even though I hope I'm not a dumb jerk.

It is selling like hotcakes, but the Lamestream Media haven't even yet saw fit to give it a review.

On a serious note, I can't understand how the Left is able to use the judicial system and courts to consistently advance their agenda, but the Right doesn't seem to avail itself of this approach.

Everything the government does is unconstitutional, yet people like Levin don't seem to be able to go after them for it.

Groups like FIRE can protect the rights of an individual person who has been discriminated against on the basis of his religion in academic or educational institutions, but we never seem to be able to extend this process to the wantonly illegal activities of government. Are they (the Left) that much better than us and more schooled at how to work the system?

I suspect it has something with how "Civil Rights" are brought into the equation. The ACLU also has carte blanche to launch any suit they want because they have been given immunity from any repercussions. As long as the issue can be construed to be about 'civil liberties' they can bring suit and the other party has to pay all legal expenses if they are successful.

Why can't we learn from this and fashion an approach to give the Left extreme doses of their own medicine? I would think that Levin would have this approach figured out.

Global warming fun!
Ask your Gorebot “green” friends to explain these two articles from Time and Newsweek published in the mid – 70s. Every liberal (the parents of today’s greenies) knew that an ice age was coming – fer sur!

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

http://www.junkscience.com/mar06/Time_AnotherIceAge_June241 974.pdf



Cap & Trade or BTU Tax?

Over 31,400 legitimate Scientists have singed this petition declaring AGW a hoax!
http://www.petitionproject.org/

Cap & Trade is simply Algore's BTU Tax the people have once rejected, warmed over with a new shade of lipstick.

Cap & Trade is the most regressive form of tax on the poor that can be devised.
Business will be rewarded for outsourcing American jobs.
The money they pay for "Carbon Credits" will be charged as Business expense. The per unit cost, PLUS profit margin will be passed to consumers.
The "Rich" actually profit and even the Bag Lady will pay that tax, along with the runaway cost of heating oil, gasoline and electricity that will further exacerbate inflation.

Everyone can't afford to leave their livelihood and go to Washington for a protest march but everyone can afford to attend a TEA Party on July 4th.
If you need instructions;
http://www.teapartyday.com/

The Good News.......
Carboniferous Period: Mean atmospheric O2 content over period duration ca. 32.5 Vol. %
(163 % of modern level)

The Bad News: Hot carbon Dioxide gas from our tormentors (politicians) will entrap us in global fascism.

PV
You would not by any chance have read that spurious heretical screed Liberty and Tyranny? I hope not, for the Goracular Inquisition takes a great interest in those who read Mr. Levin, who is subject to arrest and trial by ordeal (beginning with the slow crushing of both his legs, as described in Aldous Huxley's The Devils of Loudun) momentarily, once his underground bunker is located.

All who have read that book will have their copies burned, their eyes cauterized, and their minds re-educated. You may look forward to interesting times.

Matthew
For a title, maybe some variant of

Bush
And
Lowlifecoconspirators
Destroying
Earth's
Resources
Daily
And
Supporting
Holocausts

I admit that Lowlifecoconspirators is a bit a a mouthful, but the acronym is appropriate.

Robert
I find it ironic that although the term 'denier' is not an accurate description of those who have valid reasons for challenging the theory, it is now becoming a very appropriate description of the adherents to the theory (err I mean religion), complete with its not so veiled slur denoting holocaust deniers.

The scientific facts are coming in like an avalanche showing that CO2 is nothing more than a marginal player in influencing temperatures. However, the AGW religious faithful, whom I picture in grass skirts (with green shirts) dancing around the fire chanting mantras to appease the earth gods, are in complete denial about the real scientific facts about climate. And there history of extremism and reliance on pseudo-science (what they always accuse us of) is actually responsible for a real holocaust today. How many millions have died in Africa because of their religious zealotry that banned DDT? How many millions are dying or living in impoverished conditions because they won't allow the coal-generated electricity that would provide for clean water and clean fuel that would actually clean the air so these poor wretches wouldn't have to burn dung and other biomass for cooking and heating.

They are truly despicable human beings, selfishly destroying entire segments of the human community, so they can remain faithful to their pagan religion.

There truly is a special place in Hell awaiting these misanthropes and anti-human slime.

Tyler,
You are truly pitiful. Obama couldn't have done it without clueless people like you.

Let'see how long you can keep on laughing. By the time that mutt in the White House (I don'y mean the first dog either) is finished with America you'll be laughing on the other side of your face.

Oldprof
If there is any doubt that AGW is a religion, consider the language used to support it. Those who don't believe all of it are treated like heretics. The arguments used are not the arguments of science, but of faith. As usual with a cult, there are high priests who have the full knowledge and they interpret it to the disciples. The disciples must accept what is said on faith, because they do not have the scientific or logical knowledge to properly interpret the data. Those who deny the religion are not merely wrong, they are evil-- the tools of Satan the deceiver in the form of oil companies, Republicans, and people who own suntan oil concessions at the beach. It is the characterization of the Deniers as evil that is especially marked and gives the whole affair its religious cast. Last of all, it is most vigorously defended by those who understand it the least.

Matthew
I think you are definitely onto something. Wow. Bushism......didn't he sit under a tree and refuse to move until he understood the secrets of WMD?

Once the truth revealed itself to him, he sent his prophets, or was it profits, (Rumsfeld and Cheney) out into a wilderness called Haliburton to spread the good word and to bring other disciples into the fold. Unfortunately, his version of Judas (Powell) really screwed things up.

Madam Blavatsky
I believe she quasi-adopted and reared Jiddu Krishnamurti.

I was very taken with him years ago. His non-religious religion overwhelmed me and almost drove me crazy (some would argue that he succeeded). I made the mistake of telling my son about him, and Krishnamurti had the same effect on him.

However, I do think there are many valid insights in his teaching. Certainly not something for everybody to explore....only those who are brave.

Response to 13-bravo @4:44
I take extreme umbrage at you calling my theory a theory. Wikipedia describes a theory as..oh forget it. The science of my work is settled (much like the science of AGW). My work has been well researched, peer reviewed and I used computer modeling (again, much like the IPCC). As for the research, read just about any MSM or lefty editorial and Bush is blamed for everything. So the research portion is valid and supports my science. As for the peer review, I presented this to my neighbor and his dog. My neighbor agreed wholeheartedly and the dog said nothing which I will accept as his complete and total agreement. So the peer review is valid. My computer is a Dell.

As to your concerns about others who are getting off scot free, they are not and my science proves it. As I stated earlier, the key is to start with the person or the Republican Party you want to blame and then work backwards to the issue. The theory works extremely well for some but not as well for others. As an example, since Cheney was the evil puppet-master directing Bush to cause all the worlds ills since the beginning of time the theory works very well for him and he is included by default. Others included by default are Bush's mastermind Carl Rove and the war mongering Donald Rumsfeld. As for lesser offenders such as Rush, Ann Coulter, Hannity etc. the theory still works but on a much smaller scale. You can't blame AGW on Michelle Malkin, Rush etc. but apparently you can blame Bill O'Reilly for the nut job who killed Tiller. Just as the IPCC does not concern itself with local weather, my work to date has been geared towards the global or universal issues as in Bush's case. But as you can see, the lesser offenders do not get off scot free. I hope this clarifies the science and proves the original theory works. I’m still working on the grant. I need a good title.

Oldprof
Isn't it funny that when the Unibomber was captured some years back, he was found with a leaf-torn (or is it worn?) copy of the Goreacle's "Earth in the Balance." This was the philosophy that sent him over the edge and he became fervently devout in seeking to destroy the captains of industry who were destroying the planet.

Of course, the state-controlled media never bothered to share that insignificant and trivial piece of information with us. But we know what the killer of Tiller (sounds like a poem) had for breakfast the day he committed his act.

It's a religion.
When people don't have a real religion, such as Judaism or Christianity, they almost inevitably glom onto a fake religion like Marxism or Climate Change or Mme. Blavatsky's Theosophy.

They invest a whole lot of themselves in this religion and tend to be very stubborn about changing it, since it is not based in the factual world at all but in a metaphysical choice.

Algore has been anointed the high priest of Climate Change. After all he has an Oscar! and a Nobel!! Let us all kiss his ring! Let us build a nice little altar with Algore's portrait and a DVD of An Inconvenient Truth! What if Algore doesn't know climate science or ecology? Many successful priests have never had a direct mystical experience of divinity, after all. He knows what Authorities to quote and he has an impressive confidence. That's all that is required.

A person who stands for nothing will fall for anything.

It's frustrating to argue with Warmists
I normally find that I actually understand their hypothesis better than they do. If I wanted, I could do a much better job of advocating and promoting their position. But because I do understand 'enhanced greenhouse theory' so well, I also can see that it is something that can't possibly happen in the real world. It has become something akin to an urban legend (and not just because its proponents fail to adequately account for urban heat island effects in their surface-based data sets!)

Dr Roy Spencer has been on the leading edge of engaging in scientific investigation of the search for the physical mechanisms that drive changes in climate. He has found that the earth's hydrological cycle (evaporation, precipitation, and cloud formation) regulates the greenhouse effect, essentially balancing incoming UV radiation with outgoing IR radiation and always working to bring that process into equilibrium. For this, he has been brutally attacked and slandered. He is an apostate and must be destroyed.

Just a note
About this
=======================

Wrat Wrangler wrote:
Some ARAB contributions
to math are real such as our numbering system. They are called "Arabic" numerals and are superior to Roman ones for calculations. Algebra is an English corruption of "Al Jabarra" which is from the Rubyat of Omar Kayam, an ancient math text in poetic form.

HOWEVER 90% of our primary math comes from the Greeks, Romans, Egyptions and Persians NOT the "Muslims".
======================
Even the Arabs had a culture separate from islam at one time.

erratum on 5:29 post
form OF, not OR prevenient protest

Thanks Oldprof
It really does seem that government is the absence of common sense. (and common sense is the absence of government!)

But if you could go back to your undergrad days and try to imagine any of a number of the things that are taking place now, you would have thought someone was crazy. Can you imagine people talking about same sex marriage back in the 1950s or 60s? They would have either laughed hysterically at you or put you in a room with padded walls. Or about bilingual requirements in the classroom and on government documents?

Do you remember that every year in January, the government would start running PSAs on television advising/warning any aliens in the country that they had to go register or risk being deported?

How far we've come. CO2, probably one of the most essential elements on the planet for all life, is called pollution. Children are scared by their 'teachers' that they are all going to die if their parents don't stop engaging in that nasty capitalism.

Sometimes I have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming. Of course, the coup de grace is seeing America elect a Marxist who has never done anything in his life except be a community agitator, and so many people think it is so wonderful.

My wife thinks that there must be some kind of subliminal messaging going on in the background on network tv and that since she and I rarely watch it, we haven't been subconsciously programmed. Makes you wonder how so many have so willingly drunk the kool aid, green and otherwise.

Zeigler @4:00PM
Did you even read what Oldprof had written? Try reading his post @11:15AM then comment.

As for the possibility of a 2nd American Revolution how do you expect people to react when a majority of our elected officials are so willing to dismiss the Constitution in favor of socialism. We will not surrender our rights without a fight.

2010-2012: Vote Republican...
..even if he/she is the lamest thing on the planet. Just get the numbers to stop the Barack Juggernaut that is driving us into oblivion.

PV
THANK YOU for re-emphasizing the facts about carbon dioxide. Calling it a pollutant is so stupid that the people who have allowed such an identification and got it involved with public policy should be forced to wear dunce's caps whenever they show their foolish faces in public.

I minored in biological science when working on my bachelor's degree. If ANY of my bio professors had heard the nonsense currently coming out of Washington, they would have assumed it must be part of a comedy routine. If they could have been convinced that actual policies are being made based on such nonsense, a couple of them might have committed suicide as a form or prevenient protest.

Fantasy Control @3:55PM
Actually it sounds almost like a farce, perhaps something from the Theatre of the Absurd. A play set in a world in which all power resides with pathological liars; a world wherein the people invested with the responsibility to expose the misdeeds of the power elite actually aid in covering up the crimes and actively attack those who do attempt to investigate criminal behavior. In this farcical world global warming will be blamed for cold weather and heavy rains.

Extension of Power
One other note about carbon.

If we all ate less, drove less, bought fewer clothes, turned the AC up and the heat down, etc etc, the most we could possibly hope to do is drop carbon emissions in America by a few percent.

But the Dems, in their wisdom and thirst for power, want to increase our population in the next 40 years by 50%. Each person, each consumer is a living, breathing carbon footprint. And the Dems want to increase the number by half, from 300 million to 450 million, largely thru amnesty.

Nothing they do has anything to do with protecting the environment. Nothing. It is all about money and the extension of their power.

Good article
AGW, aka climate change, is now, and has always been about control and taxation.

It has been necessary for politicians to sequester oil and natural gas, demonize nuclear, and now coal, in order to create energy dependence on foreign sources making price and availability unstable.

Now we have the broader attack on useful energy sources coming in the form of unproven junk science which relies upon the ignorance of the general public. It took 35 years to create that ignorance through the public schools.

You have to admit it's a great scam, worthy of a Ponzi.

Yes, Ziegler, the Idea of a Revolution..
...is terrifying. Sitting back and doing nothing while the Insane One and his Proud Progressive henchmen have their way with us? Even more so.

Even as BO attempts to tear down America and rebuild her according to his utopian vision, it's all coming down.

Why?

California points the way. Elect a bunch of clueless lib legislators owned by La Raza or the public employees unions. Institute a morass of unsustainable social mandates. Promote illegal immigration. Establish wacked out environmental policies....

(Currently CA farmers cannot get water for their crops because we can't use delta water because of the damned "delta smelt: A stupid little fish that is going to drive food prices sky high or cause us to starve)...

...Raise taxes sky high. Drive businesses and your tax base to neighboring states or other countries. Capitulate to public service unions who insist we pay firefighters $175,000 a year and allow them to retire @ age 55 with 95% of their salary with full health benies.

Through that destroy local and state governments to the degree they cannot afford law enforcement or food stamps. Allow MS-13 and other lethal gangs to rule the roost.

Are you getting the picture? The Proud Progressives are far more dangerous than the Sons of Liberty. Either way, there will be blood.

A serious and profound book
that takes almost the largest possible view of what is now going on in Washington, though it was first published in 1987, is Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions.

The distinction Sowell makes between CONSTRAINED and UNCONSTRAINED visions of how the world works, especially in economics (Sowell's specialty) but also social policy in general has, for me at least, having a background mainly in biological science, English, theology, philosophy and ancient languages, opened up awarenesses of which I never had the foggiest notion before.

The book is NOT especially entertaining. It moves slowly, painstakingly over territory often discussed but rarely understood in any productive way. It is not a polemical book, but a purely descriptive one, paying equal respect to the two kinds of visions in the conflict. Of all Dr. Sowell's books, this one is his personal favorite.

I think it deserves to stand on the same shelf with The Republic, Walden, War and Peace, and The Federalist Papers as possibly the best available treatment of its particular subject.

Joel
"If we completly encircle the urban core of the cities, and not let anyone or anything in or out, they will surrender within a month at the most, because they will be reduced to eating each other."

I'm up for that! You lead, I'll follow.

CO2 is an essential element
Why on earth would we want to reduce it?

On geologic timeframes, we are at historically low levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. At 200ppm plant life goes into stasis. Below this, all life on the planet will die off.

Farmers routinely increase the CO2 levels in their greenhouses to 1000ppm to enhance plant growth.

At higher levels of CO2, plants use water much more efficiently and are more resistant to drought. Combine this with the significant increases in crop yields and it becomes a head-scratcher why anyone wants to reduce it.

It is not toxic at any conceivable level that is possible in our atmosphere from the release of ALL CO2 sequestered in fossil fuels, sediments, and the oceans.

No empirical evidence supports the claim that increasing CO2 levels can possibly lead to catastrophic warming.

The only reason alarmists focus on CO2 is that every human activity produces it. This provides the rationale for government to regulate just about every human activity. You never hear them wanting to regulate H2O which is by far the most prominent part of the earth's greenhouse effect.

Wrat Wrangler @3:39PM
Thank you for giving an actual, verifiable example of a contribution from the Arabs. Would you consider writing up a description of the techniques you used so that jeramy may learn from you?

Al and Tipsy
Stop knocking Global Warming - Al and Tipsy Gore are drinking the good S**t because of it.

Oldprof @3:03PM
Actually I find it quite interesting; although knowing that you teach writing will now make me self-conscious about the quality of my posts. That you teach history, writing, art philosophy and religion is impressive.

Random thoughts on Gullible Warming
Ever notice how to the Warmists that all the bad environmental things are caused by individuals, and the answer to these bad things is always larger government.

Problems with the GCMs (computer models):

They are not initialized with real world conditions (actual parameters based on real world observations). This invalidates any projections they make into the future.

They utilize a 1% annual growth rate of CO2 emissions into the atmosphere when the real world average is less than one-half of this. This also contaminates the projections because it is more than doubling the amount of emissions that are actually going into the atmosphere.

The computer programs are based on CO2 remaining in the atmosphere for 100 years or more. Empirical evidence indicates the life cycle to be between 8 and 10 years.

Various economic scenarios are run through the models to project differing "what ifs" - go read some of theses scenarios and you will see how ridiculous their output is.

IPCC scientists are prohibited from using the word 'predictions' with their models because they are only 'projections' based on which emission/economic scenario has been used. However, the media never bother with this distinction and always run with the worst case projections as actual scientific projections.

Paul Driessen used to be one of the high ranking officials in the Sierra Club until he realized they were no longer concerned with the environment, but had become a political advocacy group.

Matthew @2:54PM
That is an interesting theory that deserves some consideration. The only real problem I see with it is that Cheney, Limbaugh and Coulter are getting off scot free and that is unacceptable. Please revise and resubmit your theory for consideration.

As I said emphatically,
I LOVE Wikipedia. It's more fun than Trivial Pursuit, b/c it's incredibly big, it's full of facts and fabrications, and you get to figure out the difference. And you never get to the end of it, even if you have an entire research team working for you.

As long as you realize that it has an implied label "FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY," you can use it to your heart's content.

I have heard people say it's better than sex.

Tyler @2:49PM
If you think it is a joke that an organization that receives taxpayer funds has been involved in voter fraud then you either support such criminality, or are pathetically delusional and not worth communicating with.

Tell me, are you one of those conspiracy types who have been whining that Bush stole the 2000 and 2004 elections? If so then you are also a hypocrite since there was never any proof of wrongdoing in 2000 and 2004 but there are reams of evidence and actual indictments in the ACORN mess.

Tyler
Tyler Location: WA
Reply # 151
Date: Jun 20, 2009 - 2:49 PM EST
You guys are dumb
Still bringing up acorn?

HAHAHA

Get over it.

The acorn employees screwed up to try and make more money. The organization did nothing wrong. Just because Hannity and Fox News said acorn is bad you believe anything they say.

The joke is on you.
==============================================

Here's the real joke Tyler.

State authorities on Tuesday raided an organization that registers low-income people to vote, alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities.
The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election.

You can read the rest at the link below.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html


Oldproof, 13-Bravo
Does this mean I can use the sources cited on Wikipedia without ridicule?

And to you guys (and gals) considering a US revolution, you scare me, really, you do.

The Socialist Toolbox
THis public outrage over Bush is all part of the game the left plays. 90% of them rely on the government for their salaries and/or welfare. Hypocracy is a small price to pay for an easy job and fat retirement. Guilt and a compliant news media will always be two of the biggest tools in the socialist toobox.

Bravo, your right.
Anyone watching this movie would say that the plot was totally ridiculous. It would be inconceivable that any population would fall for such ridiculous bullsh+t streaming from the mouths of pathetic charlatans such as Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Murtha and, especially, Obama.

Imagine terrorists frolicking along the beach while their guards watch. Behind a police line, protestors rally, carrying signs that decry their horrific treatment.

Another scene: Big overweight politicians leave their mansions and travel to a conference via Lear Jets, limos and motorcycle escorts to decry carbon emissions.

Ticket to Totalitarianism
How many times have I pointed out that the Anthrogenic CO2Induced Climate Change dogma is the perfect rationalization for totalitarianism? True, false, or exaggerated, it empowers THEM, & that's what matters.

Do you think that if the bunch we've had running government could find an excuse to get their meat hooks on every aspect of our lives & economy, they'd try to convince us it's true, & go for it, regardless of the facts?

Speaking of Al Gore, why didn't he run on this issue in 2000? Because he knew he & it couldn't have withstood the glare of scrutiny that doing so in a Presidential campaign would bring?

How many "facts" have been flung in our faces & hyped to the sky as proof of ACO2ICC, only to be discredited? Remember when the ice core data "proved" it because of a correlation between temps & CO2 levels. Except after they milked it to death, "oops" the alleged cause can't come AFTER the effect!

When they ran out of "proofs" they resorted to plain dogmatic stubbornness, namecalling, & appeals to (hand-picked, bought-off rubberstamp) "scientific authority."

The Dems leaders are what they are, & it boots nothing to wish they were something else. The Republicans OtOH had over 20 yrs, especially after the skein of bogus 'proof' started unravelling, to stand up & champion freedom, sanity, & real science. Instead, most of them, starting with their feckless 'leader' John McCain, have all run for the tall grass, filed obediently onto the reservation, & dutifully drink the Kool-Aid. Here was the issue of the century, & "our guys" mostly just default & forfeit.

If there's any 1 reason the GOP needs to follow the Whigs onto the ashheap of history, this is it.

Skip and AuHunter
Skip,
I agree with all that you've said. Many of us have known for a very long time about the direction government has taken. I've been waiting for, some patriotic Rep's in government, to stand up against this onslaught of corruption and Fascist direction. But none stand up! No one! It seems the people will 'have' to do it.

AuHunter,
If all the States would indeed tell the Feds they are not going follow their unconstitutional dictates, it would go a long way in preventing bloodshed. But will they actually do what they talk about. Again, I'll wait and see.

Trading liberty for security!!!
THAT is what Global Warming is all about. Scaring the ignorant dumb masses into believing that Global Warming, then Cooling, then "Climate Change" is all man made. That way they can con the gullible into believing that Man can do something about what is really the output of the SUN!!

If we can put a thermostatic control on Sol maybe we can. Until then we just ride it out like the Little Ice Age, Medieval Warming etc.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Some ARAB contributions
to math are real such as our numbering system. They are called "Arabic" numerals and are superior to Roman ones for calculations. Algebra is an English corruption of "Al Jabarra" which is from the Rubyat of Omar Kayam, an ancient math text in poetic form.

HOWEVER 90% of our primary math comes from the Greeks, Romans, Egyptions and Persians NOT the "Muslims".

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Who's interested?
I've sent a number of articles such as yours as well as my own thoughts on this pending "global catastrophe" to my Congressman and Senators and have been "blessed" with their "concerned" replys but I fear that this notion of man made Global Warming as a result of increasing CO2 emissions is so firmly ingrained throughout the nation and, in fact, the world that all of us in the so called "Denier" group are considered totally irrelevant; to be tolerated like a poor, demented, uninformed, technically illiterate, intellectually challenged relative.

I'm not giving up and this article will soon be on it's way.

Oldprof
Re: your reply # 61..Your right on, as usual.

I have read Micheal Crichton's book 'Sate of Fear.' And your right about that also. If everyone could read that book it would give them tremendous insight to what is behind this global scam. That may have been where Al Bore got his idea.

Liked your poem!

fraud
Global warming is and has always been a myth. This issue was dreamed up by politicians to pluck money from taxpayers.
The only way it will get funding is through involuntary taxation of the American taxpayers.

13-Bravo
I currently teach creative writing, Shakespeare, and British literature. In the past I have taught Composition I and II, American literature, world literature, developmental English, technical writing, business writing, science fiction, history of Judaism, history of Christianity, world religions, art appreciation, and intro to philosophy. I am also a certified water safety instructor, though I've never taught the course.

That's probably more than you wanted to know, isn't it?

TYLER
no my friend,the jokes on you,you think bammy is your savior,but I have bad news for you and your accorn buddies,he's a wolf in sheep skin clothing and you fell for him,hook line and sinker.

A bitter, bitter double limerick
The LIE expels CACA all day
And tries to make all of us pay
To consume it instead
Of the good things like bread
For which we're directed to pray.

But praying is one thing that seems
Unlikely to enter their schemes
Of putting a price
On every device
Guaranteed to kill all of our dreams.

I found the reason for AGW
Since this is such an important issue, I decided I needed to do something about it. I worked on a new computer model for AGW while I was reading this article and some of these scintillating responses. The answer is so clear I am surprised it was not seen before. George Bush caused AGW. And the answer is the same all the way back to when the last ice age declined. I even used the model to address Baseballdoc's concerns about "Continental drift and shifting tectonic plates". Guess what, George Bush caused it. I am sure the same answer will come up for a whole host of liberal causes if the model is used correctly. The key is to start with the answer first (George Bush did it) and then find the problem that George Bush caused. I will be informing the Obama administration and his employees at the MSM. This information needs to get out to the public pronto. I will also be sending in my grant proposal so I can get gov't $$$$ top pursue this important discovery. Let the good times roll.

You guys are dumb
Still bringing up acorn?

HAHAHA

Get over it.

The acorn employees screwed up to try and make more money. The organization did nothing wrong. Just because Hannity and Fox News said acorn is bad you believe anything they say.

The joke is on you.

Fantastic Piece of Truth Telling
Mr. Driessen. I am sure the Gods, The Waxmans, Moderate Republicans, and Liberal Democrats in Congress will not be pleased with your arrogance. In fact I was not pleased with your assertion, that Global Warming, excuse me, Climate Change, was the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the "Ultra-Intelligent" American People. I think the passage of HR 1256 and the Lefts latest discovery of the effects of "Third Hand Smoke" reigns surpreme. Waxman and that Markley guy have destroyed much of America already, and Cap and Trade will be just the icing on the cake.

COMMUNISM USA
EPA,PETA,ANIMAL RIGHTS,GREE PEACE,SIERRA CLUB.
All are out to completely destroy America and they are to stupid to see it.

Goskawk,
I have been referring to the American government as an ongoing criminal enterprise for a long time. Party affiliation means nothing to career politicians/parasites.

Voter fraud per ACORN is a very ominous developement that has already disenfranchised American voters. Republicans will do squat about it because they are part of the the effort to destroy American freedom.

The Obama administration will continue to rachett up the assault on the Constitution and on the economic well being of the American people. Even misguided or just plain dumbed down, clueless Obama voters are frightened at what he is doing.

Those people, coming to grips with Obama's plans for America and for them, may demand that Democratic Party legislators refuse to cooperate with Obama initiatives. Short of that, revolution is the only solution and it will take place.

Which Came First, the Chicken or the Egg
Which came first, the statist agenda, or the problem? The statist agenda, of course. Thirty years ago, the 'problem' was global cooling and the solution was the same-- state control of the economy. We were to huddle together in apartments in the city to save energy. Now, global warming has the same solution.

The original problem in the fifties was air pollution. I can remember how bad the air was in steel towns, big cities, and similar places fifty years ago. The improvement has been spectacular. The same goes for water pollution. With that problem under control, there was no new crusade to go on-- ergo, the redefinition of carbon dioxide as a pollutant. In fifty years, our grandchildren will look back on global warming with amused contempt for the gullibility of their grandparents. I wonder what their silly season crisis will be? I suggest increased plate tectonic activity caused by obesity. Will all the fat people try to evenly distribute themselves on the earth so as not to tilt the plate?

Fantasy Control @1:27PM
In re: "The consumate heist movie."
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I tell you if this were only a movie I would walk out in disgust thinking that no one could possibly be dumb enough to fall for such a scam. But here it is in real life and untold numbers of people have indeed fallen for it. It scares me just how gullible some people can be; I guess it just goes to prove what Lincoln said about fooling some of the people all of the time.

Oldprof @11:15AM
"But primary sources are only for scholarly eggheads, right?? Wikipedia is a tertiary source for the most part. Scholars disdain and ignore it, but all us rednecks can have a good time playing with it."
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Well said professor. May I ask what subject(s) you taught/teach? You remind me of some excellent professors I have had.

talent scout @10:36AM
"Force is the only power fools have, and obama is an utter fool"
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The only thing that I can disagree with you on is whether Obama is a fool. That he seriously lacks knowledge about this country and about history is obvious. However I fear that he is less a fool and more a tool.

He appears to be doing the work of those who wish to destroy America for one reason or another. I feel that he is doing the bidding of George Soros whose intentions seem to be to profit from devaluing U.S. currency.

On the other hand Obama is following the progressive agenda of forcing socialism on us. Basically I believe that Obama is little more than a puppet and that he knows this and accepts it because of the power it gives him.

REAL PROBLEMS THAT NEED ATTENTION

.....Continental drift and shifting teutonic plates ...at some point in the future Los Angeles and San Francisco will be suburbs of each other ...the barrios meet the bath houses ...oh the indignity of it all .....COLOSSUS

Ever notice how the solution
to global warming (or climate change, since the global warming isn't happening) is that we will then have a "more egalitarian" society?

All this climate change B.S. is simply the "crisis" being used by the left to control our lives and ultimately impoverish us all.

The ultimate goal is to remove the "cancer" of human life from the earth -- so the earth will again be "pristine" without evil man.

I suggest that those disposed in this direction take the first truly bold step, and eliminate themselves from the gene pool. Perhaps, with proper planning, they can also feed some fish or other endangered wild life...

Sixty Four Thousand Dollar Question
If you believe that if you do not do something, catastrophy will happen, then would you say that your should do everything to prevent the catastrophy from happening, regardless of the pain and suffering that may be required to prevent the event from happening? Can you prevent Global Warming from happening without asking the people to make significant personal sacrifces? If someone knows how you can prevent global warming from occuring without significant personal sacrifices, I sure as heck would like to know how you can accomplish the goal, without significant personal sacrifices. If you "force" the people in your country to make these sacrifices, while countries like China and India are not asking their people to make these same sacrifices, can you prevent the event from happening? If these countries do not ask their people to make these sacrifices, and the United States "forces" their people to make these sacrifices, what good does it do?

Global warming comes to Chicago
People here have been complaining about this being th longest winter ever.The news told us it has been the coolest of this period of time since they started keeping records.We were wearing our winter jackets until this week.
Today is a beautiful 80 degree sunshiney day.
This reminds me of George Carlin's hippy-dippy weatherman routine where he gave this amazingly accurate prediction: "The forecast for tonight will be dark, getting slowly light towards morning."

Johninoregon
Do you suppose that all those countries want to get in on this money scam in hopes they will get some of the billions that will be taken from U.S.

Dividing the Country
The Big Divorce . . . the problem with that is that they get all the nice oceanfront lots and we're stuck with the Midwest, South and the desert.

C&T: The consumate heist movie.
First, it is important to know that hidden taxes collected from every sector of the economy - restaurants, food producers, energy, manufacturing - a high percentage of those taxes collected by the government will be given to "the poor" to help them pay for the significantly higher cost of virtually everything we buy. This will be the ultimate redistribution.

Here's another ultimate. Cap and trade is the ultimate attempt by that segment of the economy that uses fear and hype to squeeze money from the public. Remember bird flew. How many people died from human to human transmission. Answer: one (with an asterisk). What did we spend to prepare for the onslaught? $12 billion or something like that. Same questions and results for the swine flu. Cap and trade makes all that look like the efforts of petty thieves.

Cap and Trade is government at its lowest, keeping the masses poor while enriching the ring leaders and their cronies.

Islam may or may not have contributed...
positively to the world's culture at some point in their (relatively) brief history, but as the popular saying goes:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?

Divide the County Down the Middle...
...at the Mississippi. Put all the straight-thinking, Constitution-loving, law-abiding, God-obeying, rugged individualist, entrepreneurs in the West and send all the goofy-thinking, government-growing, union-extorting, handout-seeking, rights-violating collectivists to the East.

Then you could see whose system actually works.

Of course, this experiment is unnecesary. All we need to do is look at Cacafornia that once conversative Golden State's recent history.

Start The Revolution W/0 Me
I doubt it will come to revolution. When the inflation and unemployment cuts in, Obama will become about as popular as a dead otter in a swimming pool.

I do enjoy watching debates about the revolution, especially when libbies act macho. That's so cute I could just pinch their chubby little cheeks. They always forget that while they have all the government buildings and television stations, we have all the food and guns. Rather predictable outcome.

Joel: It's All in the Hands of the...
..."people." Either they will come to their senses and throw the Dem/whimpy Pub bums out and stand up against the insane, megalomaniac, white/black/Arab Barack Hussein Obama/Barry Soetero....

...or they will continue to swoon in the streets over this very dangerous, delusional loon.

If people can turn this juggernaut from stampeding over the cliff, cool. Rush says he "has faith in the people." I don't.

The Progressives have captured the propaganda outlets: Schools, the MSM and the entertainment industry. A bunch of peeps are now hardwired to believe the lies.

We are left preaching to the choir. Can we make enough converts? Time will tell. As the Spaniards held captive by Moors for 700 years said: Ojala: Allah willing. Hee Hee.

When Revolution is the Only Answer
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125

Quoting this man is considered extremism, but only by those struck with madness

Divorce, not secession
Divide the assets and liabilities and agree to disagree.

"Greenhouse gases would..."
"merely have to increase average annual Antarctic temperatures from their current –50 degrees Fahrenheit to +40 degrees for a century or two, to melt 200,000 cubic miles of South Pole icecaps. A mere 90-degree swing."

Or...techtonic forces actually MOVE the Antarctic continent off the southern pole....

Or...the Moon continues its course of moving further away, thus destabilizing the Earth's wobbling to more extremes, impacting seasons...

Or...solar activity increases the heat of the life belt within which the Earth orbits. (that Mars no longer does)

This is merely a way for certain factions to gain access to certain markets and industry in order to direct society in a direction only these factions can control. All one needs to do is review any point in history to see how many times it has been accomplished and the effects on those societies.

Honestly, I think our great-great grandchildren will have no idea what all this fuss was about. For their politicians will be working on yet another inroad into controlling their lives.

Government Con-Job & Gross Incompetence
I disagree on the drug flap example. Government, the FDA for instance, does not protect the public and even tries to project a false and undeserved sense of security. Government is ALWAYS asleep at the switch which is why conservatives insist on extra lean version of this evil with lots of checks and balances. The ONLY exception to the "asleep at the switch" scene is when these politico porkers find a way to line their or their cronies' pockets at public expense.
The queen of duplicity, Pelosi, is also pushing the green agenda very hard. Doesn't sound so bad, you say? On the surface, no. However, it's the major conflict of interest that’s in play here where she and other cronies are drafting legislation that will steer business to the very companies they have ALREADY invested in. Besides the conflict of interest of enriching herself this way it also has probable negative consequences to the public because the solutions that will be produced by these companies are not necessarily the “the best-most, cost effective-for the most” nor the ideal balance desired when it comes to impact on the environment. She is, in effect, force-fitting solutions from few sources rather than open competition from all sources and a neutral selection process that fits the “best for the most” and the balance criteria. Ethanol production from corn is a blatant example of politicians pushing and steering legislation to benefit mostly themselves (ethanol production from corn is VERY inefficient, disrupts food production, AND has serious consequences for the environment in comparison to other already proven methods that were purposely disregarded).

O for such leadership today
"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise. Protection from casual embarrassments, however, may sometimes be seasonably interposed." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:337

Success
Doesn't everyone already know that wealthy Al Bore has won the battle against global warming and deserves another prize. Somehow, his forces have reversed a period of increasing solar sunspot activity, and that has even reversed the warming trend on Mars. Now, the evil rich will not have to pay their fair share of removing all the SUVs from that previously distressed planet.

DC in Action
"Warring against [the principles] of the people,... there is no length to which [the delusion of the people] may not be pushed by a party in possession of the revenues and the legal authorities of the United States, for a short time indeed, but yet long enough to admit much particular mischief. There is no event, therefore, however atrocious which may not be expected." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Smith, 1798. (*) ME 10:56

DC has found it
"In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and improve." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:207

Jeramy (Conclusion)
wikipedia discusses literally dozens of Greek and Roman mathematicians and scientists whose discoveries and theories predat the very existence of Islam by hundreds of years. On the other hand, Google reveals only a handful of Muslim mathematicians with impresive achievements (primarily algebra and expansions on pre-existing theories of trigonometry). One muslim scientific theory of note was espoused by Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khowarizmi, known as the father of algebra. He developed a theory that the earth revolved on its axis some 600 years before Galileo.

You can claim that Islam contributed to math, science, and the Renaissance, but the vast majority of these theories and proofs were developed by the Greeks and Romans. The Romans were, by definition, Europeans. And the spread of Greek math, science, and philosophy to Rome occured during the Roman conquest of Greece, not as a result of any Islamic involvement. To claim Islam spawned the math-science evolution of the Renaissance is a wild inaccuracy and exaggeration.

Jeramy (Part 2)
Archimedes - again, from wikipedia:

"Archimedes of Syracuse ... (c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) was a Greek mathematician, physicist, engineer, inventor, and astronomer... Among his advances in physics are the foundations of hydrostatics, statics and the explanation of the principle of the lever... credited with designing innovative machines, including siege engines and the screw pump that bears his name... designed machines capable of lifting attacking ships out of the water and setting ships on fire using an array of mirrors.

"... generally considered to be the greatest mathematician of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time... used the method of exhaustion to calculate the area under the arc of a parabola with the summation of an infinite series... gave a remarkably accurate approximation of pi. He also defined the spiral bearing his name, formulas for the volumes of surfaces of revolution and an ingenious system for expressing very large numbers."

Archytas, 428-347 BC. Again from wikipedia:

"... believed to be the founder of mathematical mechanics... reputed to have designed and built the first artificial, self-propelled flying device... said to have actually flown some 200 meters.

"... introduced the concept of a harmonic mean, important much later in projective geometry and number theory. According to Eutocius, Archytas solved the problem of doubling the cube in his manner with a geometric construction."

Jeramy (Part 1)
"...everyone knows that the Islamic empire was responsible for leaps and bounds in mathematics that only spread to Europe during the crusades. Many argue that this is what caused the Renaissance."

Euclid - father of modern, plane geometry.

Your own source (wikipedia) says this about Euclid.

"(323–283 BC). His Elements is the most successful textbook and one of the most influential works in the history of mathematics, serving as the main textbook for teaching mathematics (especially geometry) from the time of its publication until the late 19th or early 20th century.

Not that Euclid died some 900 years BEFORE Mohammed conquered Mecca by force.

Pythagoras - Again, from wikipedia:

"Died between 500 and 490 BC" (More than 1100 years before Mohammed).

"... best known for the Pythagorean theorem... Known as "the father of numbers... Pythagoras and his students believed that everything was related to mathematics and that numbers were the ultimate reality and, through mathematics, everything could be predicted and measured in rhythmic patterns or cycles."

Joel and johninoregon
Joel, I am too old to be patient enough to wait for what you suggest. It would take decades for the outlying areas to starve off the population centers, if at all. I honestly feel that if we pressure our state legislatures and governors that we could either threaten secession, thereby causing an adequate change, or actually secede and force that change through actual majority rule.

To johninoregon, I guess you haven't been noticing that on your daily local news weather segment, temperatures are constantly below normal and nowhere near the records set in years past. Do you think that maybe the 190 liberal leaning countries might be wrong. I am 71 years old and I can vouch for the fact that temperatures today are lower on average than when I was a young man, and while I was growing up. The last several years have seen the growing season shorten here in Oregon, and we seem to be getting less yield from our garden plot each year as a result.

johninoregon
Consensus is the last hideout of scoundrels I believe and does nothing to promote debate. Here are a few real scientists dissenters.

German Meteorologist Dr. Gerd-Rainer Weber, a Consulting Meteorologist, attended the skeptical 2008 International Conference on Climate Change in New York City in March. “Most of the extremist views about climate change have little or no scientific basis. The rational basis for extremist views about global warming may be a desire to push for political action on global warming,” Weber said during the conference.

Atmospheric Scientist Robert L. Scotto, who has more than 30 years air quality consulting experience, served as zone-wide QA Manager on a $300 million EPA Superfund contract, is co-founder of Minnich and Scotto, Inc., a full-service air quality consulting firm and a past member of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). Scotto, a meteorologist who has authored or co-authored numerous technical publications and reports, joined the 650 international scientists dissenting from man-made warming claims in 2008.

Atmospheric Scientist Timothy R. Minnich, who has more than 30 years experience in the design and management of a wide range of air quality investigations for industry and government, specializes in the application of optical remote sensing (ORS) to a wide range of air-related issues.. . .

Minnich told EPW on December 22, 2008. Clearly the best means to fulfill on this commitment is to appoint to the Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, over which Dr. Holdren will preside, several of the more than 650 distinguished and renowned scientists who have openly questioned the “consensus” on AGW in Senator Inhofe’s 2008 U.S. Senate Minority Report,” Minnich explained. “The late Michael Crichton said it well: . . .

re: The Ruse!!!
Here is yet another example of the biggest snow job since A. Hitler blamed the Jews for all the misfortunes of Germany's woes!!! The facts are that this crap takes up to much land and space and that it only will supply less than 1% of the this country's energy needs!! These Idiot hacks in the WH can't seem to understand that it will take more domestic drilling and more nukes!!! Now if these idiot hacks continue on the same path then you are looking at extremely high gas prices, larger and somewhat hugh electric prices going threw the roof!!! Instead the people of this country are content to be time and time agin to be duped to think that this idiot hack is going provide these green jobs that will not materialize!!! Lets stop kidding ourselves shall we, our econ. will shoot up if this hack idiot will start drilling for domestic oil, and start building nukes, facts are facts Cubbies!!!

Hal #100, et al,
Please use paragraphs, space, etc. in your posts.

Solid blocks of text are much harder to read. Notice how much more readable posters are who do space out their comments.

Thanks,
CSL Fan

evil is generated by unhealthy minds

talent scout
"I am very serious, Obama is mentally ill."


Joel-De Oppresso Liber writes:
Or evil
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Its the curse that God Himself places on nations and men who ignore truth, patience, kindness and all the fuits of enlightenment.

Madness is what drives obama.

Deuteronomy 28:
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
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There is no better description of what is coming out of Washington DC and the Oval Office

johninoregon
Comes up with nothing but what has been said.

"the debate is over"

No facts, no truth will matter to these political "scientists".

Where the Con Job Is
I think Mr. Driessen may be a bit confused about which side is attempting to carry out a "con job."

The money quote in his piece is this one: " In December, 190 countries will meet in Denmark to discuss slashing carbon dioxide emissions, to 'save the planet from global warming disaster.'” Gee, why do you suppose 190 nations would take this threat seriously enough to send delegates to such a meeting? That must be one heck of a con job to raise such a level of "alarmist" concern in so many parts of the world.

And then there are the leaders of national academies of science in the U.S., U.K., France, Italy, Germany, Japan, Russia, China, India, and other countries who are on record as saying the problem is real, largely human-caused, and meriting serious attention. I guess all those folks got duped too. What a bunch of rubes, eh?

People like Mr. Driessen can go on claiming that it is all a big conspiracty, pulling quotes from a handful of dissenting scientists, claiming against all evidence that there is still a vigorous scientific debate on the issue, bewailing the loss of jobs from climate-change action (while completely ignoring the jobs that will be created in a sustainable energy economy) and generally making fools of themselves. But in the meantime, serious people who pay serious attention to what the real experts in the field of climate science have to say on the matter are committed to the sustainable energy transition.

The bottom line is that conservatives like Mr. Driessen have a hard time with paradigm shifts, will try to move heaven and earth to avoid admitting that the paradigm is shifting or needs to shift, and will enter into alliance with forces with a vested interests in old ways of doing things that no longer make sense. Not a terribly constructive approach to serious issues.

Add it all up and you get.... what?
Add the climate change/global warming/cap and trade idiocy to the other actions of this regime:

*Nationalized health care (which, like global warming, sacrifices our economy to address only a fraction of the problem)

*23 "czars", some with power to raise taxes outside of Congressional approval, and one of the above will have the power to regulate salaries or provate citizens working for private corporations

*Direct confrontation of opposition journalists and unprecendented mollycoddling of friendly journalists

*Staged, carefully controlled press conferences

*Outright extortionist tactics to gain government control of the banking system

*Circumvention of the law to gain control of the auto companies and trample the rights of bondholders of these companies

*... and last, but not least, allowing a highly partisan, corrupt and militant political organization access to administration of the U.S. Census.

With all of this, what you get is the death of American democracy. From now on there are no more democrats, only Democrats. The term "Democratic Party" now rivals "People's Republic" of North Korea in its irony and hypocrisy.

I am 52 years old and lucky to have lived most of my life during the times that I have. I lived a charmed life. I have had opinions on things but have never felt strongly enough that I thought it would be necessary to give my life to anything except defend my country against a physical invasion, which always seemed unlikely. But at the intensity that liberty, democracy, the Constitution, common sense and the truth are under assault, if the situation calls for me to lay down my life to defend that which America has always stood for, so be it. I am ready. If this radicalism is not stopped, America will no longer be worth living in anyway. Today, those who have had enough of despotism march in the streets in Tehran. Tomorrow, it will happen right here on Main Street.


Long train of abuse
"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Everyday the FRENZY of this madman in the Oval Office comes up with something new that undermines every strength this country has.

He is frenzied in activity and is a driven man who is not in control of any common sense or leadership.

This “climate catastrophe” is just the latest climatic madness that surrounds this man's frenzy.

I am very serious, Obama is mentally ill

Intellectual Dishonesty!
This whole Climate and Global Warming Debate is an act of Intellectual Dishonesty, in order to promote an agenda. And, do not thing that these Socialists do not have Monetary Motives as well. For example, Nancy Pelosi personally owns a lot of stock in T.Boone Pickens and his Windmill Schemes. And, Old Climate Change Poster Boy Al Gore, has used this nonsese to become a multi-millionaire. Ten years ago, Al Gore and Tipper were worth about 2 million dollars, and now, they have amassed a fortune worth over one hundred million dollars.

And, this intellectually Dishonest Congress is now using Cap and Trade as a way To Tax Consumers of Energy (which is every working man and woman in the country) to fund their Worthless Socialist Programs.

It is time that citizens of this country March on Washington and Camp Out until we get their attention and tell them that if they will not represent the Interests of Working men and women in this country, that we will represent ourselves, and do it without them. This president and the Majority Congress of the U.S. does not represent the interests of workers and land owners any longer. They reperesent their own greedy interests for Money and Power.

Idiot
Quit arguing with the idiot. I'd suggest better results and less work by just flagging all his posts. I might.

Libs would like to eliminate a lot
of real jobs and real sources of value in order to advance their agenda, which is POWER for themselves only. CACA is one of their tools. They throw CACA at all of us and expect us to swallow it. The LIE (Liberal Intellectual Establishment) is way too close to winning.

Mockery may be one of the best tools for minimizing their effectiveness. Facts get from them the familiar reaction: don't confuse us with facts--our minds are made up.

For mockery I am somewhat equipped, having written comic poems since about 1957. This is my latest:

Our pestilent liberal snobs
Dismiss the productive folks' jobs
As demeaning and vile
And SO mercantile,
Fit only for ignorant slobs.

But some folks are onto them now,
And many are starting to vow
To vote out the snobs
Who make fun of their jobs
While leading without knowing how.

More Globull Warming
NASA GISS has become the laughing stock of global warming with it's flawed computer models and fear mongering, but it seems NOAA is trying to take up some of the slack.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAAMAY.pdf

Jeramy Brains
Equals ZERO

If this financial and ecolological
fiasco continues to degrade our economy, we will have no choice to either secede or to succumb to the will of Obama for the forseeable future. I think the tipping point will be when Obama declares that elections are suspended due to some crises that he will have manufactured.

Let's All Wake Up
I consider myself even-handed and even-minded with no axe to grind but consideration of the welfare and continued success of our marvelous country. What is happening now in Washington scares the blazes out of me, and in conversation with others in New York City (a bastion of liberalism to be sure), I have been surprised to see how many I previously thought to be "very liberal" are becoming most apprehensive of many of the bills and actions Congress and the current leftist administration is considering. After reading Joel-de....'s posting at 8:02 AM, I said to myself, "Good grief, could it really be coming to this...". After soberly considering what could happen in our big cities given the dampening effect on our economy if some of the non-productive programs, particularly Cap & Trade and Healthcare "Reform" are implemented, I came to the conclusion that his vision, detestable as it may be, must be considered a possibility if the American people become increasingly disenchanted with a failing quality of life promoted and facilitated by their putative leaders. We, as Americans, must each convince his congressional representative that these programs would be destructive to the economy, and that a vote for that program would guarantee that he would not be re-elected. Additionally, further pressure must be placed upon those representatives to immediately allow domestic drilling and exploration for oil and natural gas. This would provide an enormous stimulus to the economy and largely lessen our reliance on energy imports from countries which do not have our best interests at heart. The ultimate bottom line is -- we MUST stop the governmental assault on our economy. It will prove to be disastrous! Certain limited parameters are necessary to monitor the financial industry, but the governmental meddling in specific industries is intolerable, and will lead to a stultification of the economy and domestic unrest.

I LOVE WIKIPEDIA!
The fact that it contains a lot of stuff that simply isn't so is not a problem.

Shakespeare said a lot of stuff that wasn't so likewise. "A seacoast in Bohemia" in The Winter's Tale, for example. Bohemia was a landlocked country. His plays are LOADED with misinformation, including totally garbled history, but they are more fun than anyone should be allowed to have.

Doesn't Jeramy know that Wikipedia is just for ENTERTAINMENT? You track down fake facts and try to correct them. Like Sinbad's death. The way you correct them is to consult experts, read books, go especially for the PRIMARY SOURCES!

But primary sources are only for scholarly eggheads, right?? Wikipedia is a tertiary source for the most part. Scholars disdain and ignore it, but all us rednecks can have a good time playing with it.

Speaking of secession,
I'd like to see the Red States (a moniker given to conservatives by CNN -- note the symbolism and connotation to the communist's color) secede from the union. How long would it be before the Blue States (note the symbolism and connoataion to the color of the Civil War Union Troop's uniforms)come begging for money to fund their social programs. They'd have to because they will have bled their citizens dry through taxes and 80% unemployment.

jeramy
Sorry but the compass was a Chinese invention (http://library.thinkquest.org/15618/inventor.htm) and the development of the concept of the zero remains a mystery (http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Zero.html) although some believe that is was created in India and by the Mayans (http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99535.htm).

Please do not ever use Wikipedia as a source to prove your contentions. Wikipedia is roundly rejected by most academics since anyone can write whatever they want. It is in fact frowned on to use any dot coms as source material.

As for the cause of the Renaissance please read my post @10:17AM.

For Your Own Good
Welcome to the world of hype. Instead of plain, ordinary common sense, follow the trend, even though by following you may wind up with a whole lot of nothing. These hucksters are relying on the overall stupidity of the American people, not only relying, but counting on it. The problem with following all of the hype, however, is when it is all finished and millions more are out of work and not paying taxes, who is going to pay for all these changes? The Liberals will not be content until everyone is broke but them, of course. They need a great deal of money to stay in power, so their money needs to be put aside for more and more glory for themselves. The rest of us will be on the same level, the poverty level. The American people had better worry more about their own survival and let the polar bears take care of themselves! At least, the bears that survive will have done so by cunning and force, something the average American seems to lack.

Clifton L. West

Herman @9:28 AM
I take it that you subscribe to Edward Gibbon’s assertion that Christianity helped lead to the downfall of the Roman Empire. This belief ignores the fact that only the Western Roman Empire fell while the Eastern Roman Empire (later to be known as the Byzantine Empire) continued to flourish for a thousand years after Rome’s fall.

Even Gibbon acknowledged that other factors contributed to the fall of Rome; these factors include an overreliance on foreign mercenaries to fight her wars and to defend her borders because too many Roman citizens felt that they were too good to fight in Rome’s military. Once these foreigners were entrenched inside Roman lands they were impossible to remove.

He also acknowledges that a corrupt government contributed to the fall. The politicians became more interested in furthering their own fortunes and power and less interested in the welfare of the nation as a whole. Sound familiar to anyone?

Next I would like to ask what were the contributions of Islam to “Mathematics, art, Philosophy and Medicine” exactly?

Jeramy
"If these states really want to leave the united states, have them send Obama back ALL federal funds."

I have a better idea. instead of sending Obama back ALL federal funds (which by the way, originate in the states), let's just send Obama back....To Kenya!

Again, we are dealing with liberals
and liberalism is an ideology, a religion if you will(Some say it's a mental illness rather than a religion). Common sense and facts have no sway with the religious nutwings of any religion. The libs boast of being atheists when in fact, they have a God -- Mother Nature. The only problem is that their religion is based on emotions which are based on faulty science. You can show them core samples taken from the Arctic Circle that show how levels of carbon gases naturally wax and wane over millions of years, but they look at you like a hammer-struck steer. If it doesn't fit the dogma of the eco-Nazis, it can't be true. You can explainn to them that climate changes depend on the sun. You can explain to them that natural gasses released from the earth and the noxious gasses released from erupting volcanoes create more pollution in one day than humans could cause in a million years. Nope, the sky is falling and that's that.

To you who stay home and don't get involved in the election process, we blame you for the caliber of representation we have in Washington DC today. I guess by staying away from the polls, you showed them! God, I'm begging you stay-at-homers...PUHLease! Get out and vote in 2010. If you really want to save America from becoming the laughing stock of the world, you will participate.

K.G.
How horrible a thing to do to that wonderful tree. If you commit suicide after planting the tree, you are reducing the amount of CO2 in the air, thereby denying that poor tree of the CO2 it so needs to survive.
CO2 might actually be more important than the oxygen we take from the air.
It seems a fairly simplistic symbiosis to me. Animal life takes in oxygen and gives off CO2 as a by product, plants take in CO2 and give off oxygen as a by product.
Lets not forget the 1995-1996 IPCC report that declared Water Vapor as the leading green house gas in the atmosphere. And Honda claims their hydrogen fuel cell car gives produces no pollution only harmless water vapor. But wait, isn't it because CO2 is a green house gas that it has been labeled a pollutant. NOW I AM CONFUSED????

Herman & Jeramy

Herman: "Obviously you have not idea of the historical contributions of Islam to Mathematics , art , Philosophy and Medicine"
"If you can dispute , please do . but otherwise your just another idiot right nutter"

Obama is partly right. Muslims did help lay the foundations of the Renaissance by preserving some of the accumulated wisdom of classical Greece. But they got a lot of it by overrunning the Christian Byzantine Empire, the forgotten steward of Greek culture and learning. Muslims contributed to mathematics. It's no coincidence that terms such as _algebra_, _cipher_, and _zero_ have Arabic roots. But they didn't work alone. They learned a great deal others, especially from Indians. (Note that we use *Hindu*-Arabic numerals.) Muslims' literature and architecture were top-notch; but they lagged in the visual arts, mainly because the Quran forbids making images.

Further, we should acknowledge the great harm Muslims have done in 1400 years of conquest, looting, destruction, and forced conversion. If they burned the library at Alexandria in 640, as is widely believed, they dealt the worst blow ever to the intellectual life of humanity.

Obama discounted the dark side of the Islamic record. We must not.

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Jeramy:

"Islam produced the compass and the mathematical concept of 0. I don't know but that sounds substantial."

The Chinese had the compass centuries before Mohammed was born. (The Greeks, who knew about lodestones, and the Olmecs may also have used the compass 'way back.) Medieval Arabs evidently got both the device and their word for it from Europe. The concept of zero has been around for millennia. Ptolemy and Indian mathematicians developed the numeral zero independently, and the Persian Muslim Al-Khwarizmi probably borrowed it from both sources. (The Maya worked along similar lines entirely on their own.)


Jaramy
If Islam is so great, and has contributed so much to the western world, why are they so still living in the stone age? If not for the western world bringing oil production to that part of the world, most would still be riding camels instead of Mercedes Benzes!

CO2 Emissions Could Be Reduced...
..dramatically if BHO would stop giving daily speeches and the true CO2-is-a-bad-thing believers would just stop breathing.

Save the planet: Plant a tree and then commit suicide.

The history of the spread of islam
Is one of War.
Not enlightnement

Murder, rape, pillage, and destruction.

Oppression, bigoty and dark ages.

There is no light in islam, its as black as night.

islam destroyed the ancient cultures that did seek light, and took credit for what those older cultures had discovered.

islam is satanic

Jeramy
You are lost and delusional. Name one advancement to science that has come out of the Arab peninsula since the inception of islam as the predominant religion of the region. The answer is Zero. and I don't mean they invented Zero. Yes, there was a time when many advances in Science and Mathematics came out of the middle east, all prior to the inception of islam in the middle east.

10th Amendment
So far at least 35 states have declared their 10th Amendment Rights from undue Washington interference.Should cap and trade be enacted,this would be a good arguement for secession.This administration is the most divisive in american history.

AuHunter
It strikes me as a little odd that you guys called anyone who didn't agree with bush "unpatriotic" and know that your guys lost, you are talking about revolution and secession.

You guys tried that once 140 years ago... it didn't work out so well for you. If these states really want to leave the united states, have them send Obama back ALL federal funds.

Joel
Secession may not be THE answer, but it is better than the alternative. It is not a matter of leaving our country to those not to secede, but to have enough states secede to BE the country, leaving the socialist remaider to fend for themselves or join us!

Especially morons who can't read
Read it again, jeramy.
Zero. India.
Compass. China.
Find your own references. Wiki pages with warnings at the top that say references needed, and "this article may contain improper references to self-published sources" as your page does, are not acceptable.

Wikopedia
Not only is wikopedia a bad source of science, it is run by global warming zealots. They won't allow anything that don't fit there agenda.

Jeramy
I just did a little reading about some of your claims. While the word zero is derived from an Arabic word. Every other thing I could find points to a hindu mathematician named Aryabhata as to have first used zero as a mathematical concept.
As for the compass, It was invented during the Qin Dynasty in China circa 221-206 BC. That's well, how many centuries before Islam ever existed.

I wish it was ignorance
My friend.
13-Bravo writes:

Obama's command of history is as poor as his understanding of the Constitution and the concept of balance of power.
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Ignorance is a temporary problem and can be healed with information.

Intentional lying to deceive is another matter and cannot be healed, only fought against.

With information until the liar tries to use force and always do.

Force is the only power fools have, and obama is an utter fool

Skip and Goshawk
Revolution is not the only answer. Secession by those states that refuse to be mandated such things as cap and trade or for that matter any other edict that the federal government is not authorized to mandate, is a more peaceful answer. It would be the majority of the states, as there are now 35 such who are considering envoking the tenth.

talent scout
you're out of your league.

jeramy
I do not waste time arguing with morons.
You got it?

marie
I am well aware that anyone can change it at any time which is why i look at their references at the bottom of the page.

dairyfarmermom
Where is your reference about a Chinese zero? We won't just take your word for it.

Rudyard Kipling
Sums it up best with this poem.
The Ballad of East and West



OH, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth!
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The division of eastern civilization and western is as far as the east if from the west and are not compatible.

There is no fellowship between the two, there is no relationship between the two but are enemies one of another.

Saudi Arabia is the final product of what islam produces.

America is the final product of what Christianity and Western Civilization created.

As different and as far apart as east if from the west

talent scout
Who invented

the chemical process of crystallization
the chemical process of distillation

Who had the first medical school
Who invented the process of quarantine

talent scout, my the wikipedia article is wrong, find for us who invented all of the things listed. If you cannot do that, we will assume you are wrong. Put up or shut up.