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Monday, June 01, 2009
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
My Declaration of Independence
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Recently, I received a rare student complaint over an e-mail I had sent to all my classes. In the e-mail, which welcomed all of my students back for a new semester, I characterized myself as an “outspoken Christian professor.” I admitted that I had been critical of some aspects of Darwinism and that I saw my students as more than mere “random mutations.” Finally, I said my Christian views would cause me to treat them differently – namely, by holding them all to a high standard that would help them find their purpose in life: a Divine purpose given to them by their Creator.

The remarks in this e-mail were all couched within the context of the story of a former student of mine. He had often come to class late and talked throughout my lectures – at least until he received a poor grade on his first exam. Afterwards, I castigated him for his conduct and told him he would never become anything until he learned to act like an adult and to fulfill his God-given potential.

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In his letter to the department chair, the student claimed that it was inappropriate and offensive for a professor to reveal his religious affiliation in class. He said he was also offended by what he perceived as an inappropriate put-down of Darwinism. Finally, he expressed his concern that he would become a victim of religious discrimination because he did not share my religious views.

If he’d bothered to approach me directly, I could have told this student a little of what I know about inappropriate and offensive religious expression in the classroom. In fifth grade I had a teacher named Barbara O’Gara. Mrs. O’Gara was my favorite teacher despite the fact that I was then a Baptist and she was an atheist. Mrs. O’Gara made no secret of this fact. She mentioned it on the first day of class, and she mentioned it throughout the year.

During the course of the year, though, it never occurred to me to report Mrs. O’Gara for simply stating her religious affiliation. If it offended me, I simply dealt with it. Even as a fifth-grader, I sensed that this was how mature people handled things. She had a right to her feelings, and I had a right to mine.

That basic courtesy eluded this student, though. (It eluded my department chairwoman, too – she notified the Dean’s Office) Whether out of his fear that I wouldn’t tolerate his views (though nowhere in my e-mail did I say I would single anyone out for disparate treatment), or out of his zeal to suppress mine, he entirely missed the point that I was making – a point not unlike the one made in the Declaration of Independence. I simply added the concept of “purpose” to the list of gifts (like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) bestowed upon us by our Creator … and said that everyone in my class would be held to a high standard – the same high standard – to encourage their progress toward that purpose.

Now, clearly, discovering his higher purpose is less interesting to this student than reveling in his heightened sense of victim-hood. But while it is tempting to get angry at young people who assert a “right to be un-offended,” the fault is not really with this generation of students. It is with this generation of college administrators.

As students in the 1960s, the Baby Boomers fought for the right to be treated as adults. After they became college administrators in the 1990s, they began to fight for students’ right to be treated like children. The war was waged principally with speech codes, which give almost unlimited power to college administrators who wish to control the marketplace of ideas.

Those of us who oppose these speech codes should not be angry when college administrators try to enforce them. We should thank God for the arrogance that these codes foster. They embolden these administrators in ways that seldom play well in front of a jury of their peers.

Because of organizations like the Alliance Defense Fund, we are now able to wage war on these codes, not just in the court of public opinion, but in the courts of law.

And this is our only hope: that by causing a new generation to revolt against the illegal constrictions of their parents – the same parents who revolted against the constrictions of their parents – we can turn this nation around and return to the values articulated by the Founding Fathers.

As one who is a plaintiff in an ADF case, I feel like I am playing a part in an important revolution. It almost feels like I’ve found a Divine purpose given to me by my Creator.

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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Declaration
Hey Mike, great article, as usual!

Declaration
I am so glad that others realize that no where in the constitution does it say we have the right to NOT be offended. Just as it does NOT say we have freedom FROM religion. So please feel free to exercise your rights and be offended.

'Atta boy
'Atta boy, bro!

Hey, write a book
Interesting. YOu should elaborate on the speech codes. Maybe write a book.

Best Kept To Oneselve
Mr. Adams,

I would have to side with your complaining student on this one. I prefer that my professors keep their religion to themselves. The information is just not relevant to the course (unless your teaching religion).

Your description of yourself as a Christian who doesn't believe in evolution is the bit of a stereotype. Let me guess, you also think Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden about 5,000 years ago and Noah really did fill that big boat up with all the worlds animals.

Yeah, better to keep this on a need to know basis.


Re; Keep it to yourself...
...because that is what all of the Athiest professors do, right? Christian/Jewish students respectfully deal with Atheist professors who have some inexplicable compulsion to elaborate on their particular brand of "faith" and how Religion fosters collective idiotic/violent thought and behaviors completely unknown to Atheism. They don't even voice the fact that Atheists are the most proselyzing group on the college campus as a negative for Atheists. They do so because that is their professor's First Amendment Rights (although it is also the student's rights to learn something academic from a class that they have paid $$ to attend). Why should an Atheist student have any grounds to become hysterical when a professor a. expresses his own religious beliefs b. Does not demean his in the way that Atheist professors demean those belonging to others and c. does not take up huge swaths of time dedicated to learning to do so.

your religion in an email to students?
Mike, I am with you all the way on regret at the leftist political domination of education, but I think your email went too far in the opposite direction. I can't remember what you teach,and if it is science certainly Darwinism vs creationism is an appropriate topic for open classroom discussion. But what you wrote to your students was really a statement of your own personal religious views, and that has no place in an email. I am a Presbyterian, and in my college days that message would have made me uncomfortable. It sounds perilously like a professor saying something like "I expect you all to respect diversity and gender identification issues because otherwise you will not be fulfilling your true potential". Belief is belief, whether it is believing in a religion or believing in an ideology. Belief should not be pressed on students in a classroom.

How many articles has our Mikey written

... lambasting atheists who (purportedly) broadcast their views to captive audiences? Hmm?

So which is it, Mikey? Are you wrong, just as they were? Or are you right now and all those articles were written merely to provoke of the ire of the xians?

Or are you just a hypocrite?

The Creator
In my case it's Mom and Dad.

You're right, Will.........
better that Mike should help you pull the trigger than explaining that sadomasochistic sexual behavior is a continuation of adolescent suicidal ideation. Such is the right of self-determination.

Atta boy, Mike!
1st Amendment right duly utilized. Students are too hypersensitive about religion - and the schools are responsible for such misinformation.
Stating your belief in God and letting kids know they have a higher purpose is not offensive and should offer some guidance in a time of growth that is often too confusing to cope with.
Maybe something you said like this has given a young person hope and steered them in a direction that will have better consequences for them, rather than to live rudderless, directionless, and purposeless.
Good work.

To Mike's critics here:
I think you are all missing the point.

The point is that no one should be getting as offended as this student. It's silliness. So, the student was offended. Big deal. All of a sudden, people are jumping up and saying, "Hey, Mike, if you tell a gay kid that he's wrong, I'm going to torture you!" How retarded.

Simply saying that you have a belief shouldn't be the same as telling everyone else that their belief is wrong. Some people don't get that, though.

How did anyone read this and get the impression that Mike had told anyone, either in an email or in class, that they were wrong for having the beliefs that they had?

Those that jump on Mike here, telling him what he should and shouldn't do, are helping to prove his point.

When I was in college, I had a very liberal political science teacher. This was during the Clarence Thomas & Anita Hill trials. She was more than outspoken about her beliefs and would barely tolerate and/or give people the chance to disagree. I disagreed. Did I do my best to get her fired? No. I sucked it up. "Let her have her opinion," I thought. What's the big deal?

Where is the bookie?
Will threatens to get physical with Mike.

I am looking for a good bookie. My money goes on Mike.

Anybody want to bet on Will?

What is the matter? No philanthropists here?

Well said, Ron Jones
Political correctness, and the pretend childish right of "not to be offended" must die and be buried in the dust bin of history.

YOU CHARACTERIZED YOURSELF AS
"outspoken Christian professor" in e-mail to students and you still haven't been........

1. Fired?

2. Arrested?

3. Jailed?

4. Stoned?

5. Crucified?

Hmmmm. There must be something wrong. But it's early.

Nice article, Mike Adams

Freedom has to be for everyone or else it is not freedom.

Ron
Damn, take a bow! (I'm giving you a mental standing-O). ...and no Will, that is not some new perverted sex act.

The Rule of Law
And when the left completes the politicization of the judiciary with results-oriented judges, will you still be able to fight in the court of law?

Isn't it interesting that the newest Supreme Court nominee has the initials SS?

random mutations
Mike (of whom I have been and still am a fan) writes, *I admitted that I had been critical of some aspects of Darwinism and that I saw my students as more than mere 'random mutations.'"

The thing that puzzles me about creationism is the notion that randomness cannot be part of God's plan. If He created this universe, and I think he did, and randomness actually exists, it is one of and part of of His creation.

Creationists speak of "randomness" as if it is not part of the behavior of the universe. Why is that? Help me out here, Mike.

Thanks Mr. Adams for not tucking your
tail and running like a whipped dog.

Speaking for your Creator is your Divine purpose as a Christian.

And thanks for stirring the athiestic freaks and perverts again who want to fight against God. The light that you shine is very painful to them but could save their souls if they turn from their ways.

Keep up the good fight.

This is too easy!
Mr. Adams is clearly setting up his reading audience with this article. He is obviously wrong by mentioning that he will hold his students to a "higher level" because he (Adams) is a Christian. Let's just wait for the second shoe to drop.

Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Religion
In the U.S. all people are to be protected for their speech and religion. Every other religion is to be tolerated but seems Christians are the exceptions. I say everyone is entitled to an opinion....opinions don't hurt and the one receiving can take it or leave it. Seems to me that this student needs more proof of discrimination than just words.

William
"He is obviously wrong by mentioning that he will hold his students to a "higher level" because he (Adams) is a Christian."

Why?

And by the way . . .
Anyone--and I mean ANYONE--who has not had to try to teach college students and hold them accountable for behaving like adults has no standing to criticize Mr. Adams. Period.

Atheists' Arms
Atheists' Arms are too short to box with God, but they continue nonetheless.

Good on ya, Dr. Adams! This whole routine of "I'm offended that you said x, y or z, is ludicrous." Students, and others, ought to hitch up their big boy/big girl undies and learn to deal with it...

You've become one of them...
...you're doing what you've been preaching about being wrong. Stop it and just TEACH!!!

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
I'm with you, when I can walk down the hallway of a Liberal Arts department in any university without having my senses assaulted by Rainbow Flags, NARAL posters, Che Guevara posters, La Raza slogans, little Darwin critters meant to be a take-off on the Christian "icthus" symbol, etc., etc.....then I'll agree that Prof. Adams should keep a lower profile. Until then, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Thanks!
Thanks for taking a stand Professor! As a Christian myself, I too question Darwin and am unwilling to bow to the PC police of today! As for Atheists I like what C.S. Lewis said... "Atheism is too simple." "If God does not exist, we should never have arrived at the question in the first place."

Keep up the good fight and God Bless!

Interesting...
How do "some aspects of Darwinism" equate to "evolution"?

And, how does seeing people as "MORE than random mutations" say that there aren't any?

If randomness is part of God's creation, then is it truly random? Are atoms free?

The Judester writes:
"my mommy and my daddy made me"

Haven't heard that argument since grade shool. Too funny.

Mike
"...As one who is a plaintiff in an ADF case, I feel like I am playing a part in an important revolution. It almost feels like I’ve found a Divine purpose given to me by my Creator."

Nah you are just a fading reactionary trying to give meaning to your life which is understandable - have at it

Is Randomness hard science?
Can anyone imagine an engineering, chemistry, physics or any science or math professor accepting a doctoral thesis in which 'randomness' is used as the proof or justification of the subject matter.
In the real world of science there are constants and laws of nature and they are as described in the following quote as 'just so' and these constants and laws govern the universe and all that is in it.

Quote: "Why are the constants and laws of nature just so, and not different? For example, why is the speed of light not faster than it is? Why are electrons so much lighter than the protons they orbit in atoms? If fundamental laws and constants were even slightly different from what is observed, then life as we know it would not exist. (For example, atoms would be less stable, or stars and planets would not form.)" End of Quote . Source: Universe Forum, Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

If the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics can openly raise the issue of why constants and the laws of nature are 'just so' and not attribute it to 'randomness' then why are biologists and philosophers so adamant in their refusal to discuss openly that there may be constants and laws of nature that made the universe and all that is in it what it is today.

Mr. Donahue
Why do you feel it necessary to lob personal insults at Mr. Adams?

Will
What you do is a sin & you will be subjected to eternal hellfire... need the address?

What is wrong with so called "Higher edu


This sort of stupid thing is what is wrong with "higher education." I had to sit in class with knuckleheads who should have been in the army growing up instead of being at the university. Then those same immature knuckleheads get out and go to work for some corporation and those who work for him/her have to put up with their immature crap. It is one reason for high turn over rates in some companies. It is the reason why employees come to work and kill their boeese.

Students should NOT be allowed into the university until they are mature enough for adult learning and can consider ideas different from their own little set of life experiences. Students should NOT be allowed to attend graduate school until they have had at least two years of significant work experience after their undergraduate degree. All PhD candidates should be REQUIRED to work a minimum of two years in their field before being granted the final degree. A PhD really ought to know what he/she is talking about and many of them don't.They should also be told that a PhD doesn't mean they know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING.

I spent 40 years in senior management in the health care industry and was always amazed at the narrow minded attitudes of most college educated people. I continue to be amazed by it.

ROBERT from CA writes:
"Your description of yourself [Mike Adams] as a Christian who doesn't believe in evolution is the bit [sic] of a stereotype. Let me guess, you also think Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden about 5,000 years ago and Noah really did fill that big boat up with all the worlds [sic] animals."

One wonders how Mr. Adams admission that he has "been critical of a few aspects of Darwinism" translates into his being a member of the New-Earth creationists club. Ironically, ROBERT from CA falls right into type. By attributing an extremely stereotypical form of creationism to Mike Adams, ROBERT from CA ends up painting himself as a stereotypically obtuse crank incapable of thinking with nuance and subtlety. It's all or nothing for such types, and they almost always -- as in this case -- end up with nothing.

Peace.

Will
While on your way to Wilmington to waterboard Dr. Adams, be sure to stop for a visit in the Appalchian Mountains. There's a few banjo picking good ol' boy hog farmers there who want to have a polite discussion with your regarding your sexual proclivities and your "purty mouth". I think you'll like what they have to say. At least Ned Beatty did - didn't he?

Patrick49
Ever hear of Statistical Mechanics?

How about Heisenberg uncertainty?

Sorry, but most of modern and much of classical physics is built on statistical (probabilistic)descriptions.

Recollection
I took a course in college over fifty years ago called Greeks and the Bible. The instructor announced, "We will spend the semester studying first the Greeks and then the Bible. The first is history, the second is fiction." I raised an eyebrow at that, being a Christian at the time. We then proceeded to read the Odyssey.

For the final exam, I temporarily became an atheist and told the instructor what she wanted to hear and aced the course. This plan served me well until I graduated and never saw any of those opinionated profs again.

The first day of class (or an instructor's email) can be profitably intuitive.



Mike you call yourself a teacher?
Don't you understand politics at all? You should have said "as a Latino women growing up in a project you could better understand evolution than some stupid, christian fanatic, white man". That would have been readily accepted by the new generation of idiots.

Colleges,Universities...
...and Private Institutions set their own policies and proceedures let alone standards of operation and conduct.

Joel-DOL points out clearly the Federal guideline code of conduct for that government. Colleges are set as a self governing body under State guidelines which trumps any Federal laws.

As an instructor in higher education, students quized past students of mine to determine if sitting in my class was worthy of their time.
They wanted to know who I was and all they could find out before signing for my class.

They choose my class for the knowledge and the personna I projected. Some instructors disdane challenge from their students. I taught that is the right thing to do. If you have a grievence with me this is OK, come discuss it, don't hide behind the skirt of some other individual you would like to have as a hammer.

When the words fly at you, try to remember they are not bullets. Having to "Lawyer Up" over words is a sign of a weakness.

An old guy says:
What the he77 is going on in colleges these days? I spent 1959 to 1963 in college and not once did I hear a single professor citing his religion, his political affiliation, or any other personal opinions or beliefs. They all concentrated on the course material. How novel!

soliton
"Ever hear of Statistical Mechanics?
How about Heisenberg uncertainty?
Sorry, but most of modern and much of classical physics is built on statistical (probabilistic)descriptions."

Yep, and my reaction on being introduced to these topics years & years ago was "wow, and yet everything fits together"

The whole basis of science & western thought is that there is an order to the universe and that it can be studied.

As a white Christian male
Mike: As a white male I can usually arrive at a better conclusion than a fat Mexican illegal immigrant.

Obama: Mike regrets his choice of words. They were poor. But those who attack him will be exposed for what they are.

Hey Ed
I was only a couple of years behind you and that was still true then but now its a whole new ball game. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at name brand universities to have their children brainwashed by burned out hippie professors. Only in America!

Hal Doofus Shows His True Colors 7:38am
"Nah you are just a fading reactionary trying to give meaning to your life which is understandable - have at it"

The Doofus, who is past 60 in age, is truly the "fading reactionary" in this dialogue. Like many Baby Boomers, he truly believes that anyone who doesn't share his belief in the communist way of living is a "fading reactionary". Even though Mike is at least 20 years younger than the Doofus.

Doofus, you should have the intelligence to admit that you are in your "fading" years. That younger men like Mike will be here long after you have departed. That these younger men will be "coloring" the political debate when you are staring at the wrong end of daisies.

But I can tell that this bothers you. Since you do not believe in any god (except the "god of socialism") you realize that once you are gone, you will be forgotten. That you will have had no lasting effect on this world.

That bothers you, doesn't it? Gone and forgotten.

Perhaps you need to rethink your life.

HIgher Education or indoctrination
To answer the Black Prince. From my experience much of so called higher education is little more than indoctrination into liberal thought. Almost all of my kids High School teachers were liberals, and I dare say it would be rare to find a college professor who would call him/herself a Christian. There was one gentleman at the college I went to and he was derided for his Christian views and that was years ago.
For one thing, the history of America is now taught from an economic perspective. The overriding spiritual side of it is barely mentioned except to laugh at those Pilgrims that dressed in funny clothes and spoke in thees and thous, and never smiled, and then to show further narrow mindedness there is the required reading on the Salem Witch Trials.

You have to ask why all the references to the Bible on our public buildings got there if the founders were only interested in economics. Nobody, including me, ever asked the question about how all this made its way into the architecture if it wasn't important to people. A person is hard pressed to find any mention of this in history.

My hat is off to Mike for letting his students know from the get go where he stands on issues. They could always drop the class if they couldn't stand to breathe the same air he does in the class room.

What is the Purpose of Education in US?

What is the purpose of the American educational system?

NOT the hidden agendas but the real mission of our Educational system.

I have asked this question here at Town Hall and on many other websites, even websites whose 'Purpose' is for educators, current and future.

The reaction to the question, is usually disbelief that someone doesn't know the answer.

After throwing around as many big words as possible, the answers can be distilled into this: "Educate the pupil."

Educate them about what?

My conclusion is that NO ONE KNOWS.

The truth shall set you free
and you can all see in which direction we're headed: it ain't freedom.

marcmat
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 7:44 AM EST
Mr. Donahue
Why do you feel it necessary to lob personal insults at Mr. Adams?"

There was no insult at all. What do you think was insulting?

Great Man with a BIG job.
Mike is taking on the "educational" establishment and is successful. Congratulations Mr. Adams and keep up the good and faithful work - and thank you.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 8:38 AM EST
Hal Doofus Shows His True Colors 7:38am
"Nah you are just a fading reactionary trying to give meaning to your life which is understandable - have at it"

The Doofus, who is past 60 in age, is truly the "fading reactionary" in this dialogue..."

I was referring to his philosophy not his life but that could be fading too. I am not a reactionary by any means I suggest that you locate a dictionary and find someone to show you how to use it

"...Doofus, you should have the intelligence to admit that you are in your "fading" years. That younger men like Mike will be here long after you have departed. That these younger men will be "coloring" the political debate when you are staring at the wrong end of daisies."

Sure I am I don't fear death at all but you forget we have the youth the folks Adams age are lost

"....That bothers you, doesn't it? Gone and forgotten..."

Nope not at all I am grateful for the now. If there is more after life, fine if not so be it. Look about you the world itself won't last forever. If you worry about this stuff you are a fool

"...Perhaps you need to rethink your life."

great advise take it

Mike
Excellent article, as usual. To retchemprof from CT: randomness only APPEARS to exist. We, the created, are simply not able to see ALL of God's plans and actions, and therefore attribute the title of randomness" to that which we cannot explain. God is Sovereign, that means he controls EVERYTHING, including seemingly random events.

Why do you think they call it the "right
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 8:58 AM EST
Mike
Excellent article, as usual. To retchemprof from CT: randomness only APPEARS to exist. We, the created, are simply not able to see ALL of God's plans and actions, and therefore attribute the title of randomness" to that which we cannot explain. God is Sovereign, that means he controls EVERYTHING, including seemingly random events."

If that works for you cling to it. But please don't shoot any healthcare providers

Jesus said we would be persecuted
What I suspect is happening to Dr. Adams is that he can no longer pretend to be anything but a Christian because the number one calling on a Christian's life is to witness, unfortunately he will be and is being persecuted. I deal with it everyday, I have friends and family who think I'm a religious Frisbee because in today's PC society the mere mention of Christ is considered taboo. Of course you can mention Allah anytime you want. All the good Doctor was trying to do is make these kids rise to a higher standard, too bad all involved are missing the point.

911
I am surprised that the student did not call 911 in an effort to "make things right." In other words, that boy had alot of quit in him. By the way, your Dean was just another master of CYA. Keep on trucking Professor. You do good work!

ronron
Great post.I donot understand people today especially the libs.One person makes a complaint and he should be praised.As long as he's a lib.However let a conservative compain about a teacher,professor and he is villified.

Hal Donahue
"But please don't shoot any healthcare providers"

Does that mean it's OK to shoot deathcare providers?



How dare you offend a student by telling
him in your classroom he has intrinsic value and your going to see to it that he amounts to something.

What would have happened if you would have told your students they were valueless and it didn't matter what they accomplished. So you weren't going to waste their time by teaching them anything because words are without meaning.

student handbook
I would have kicked the kid out of class if he talked through my lectures....student handbook, pg.14 graph 6. Nip those boogers in the bud, make a paper trail, and enjoy the office hours!

Black Prince
Ref your first sentence:

I am somewhat taken aback at your very low opinion of all of our military personnel. As one who spent '40 years in senior management in the health care industry', I would have expected that you would be able to see the trees instead of just the forest. I by contrast spent a combined 40 years in 'senior management' in the military and private business associated with the military.

During my time on this earth I have yet to find a finer group of people than those who fill our military ranks. Those of you who are ignorant enough to make such a statement as you did exibit a real lack of knowledge and a decided predudice.

That's o.k., you're intitled! It is o.k. to be stupid and ill informed - you have that right.

But when you get a chance you might want to check out what it really means to be in the military (education-wise). It is not just carrying a weapon! My son-in-law, a recently retire AF pilot, has a mechanical engineering degree and a MBA - typical of our officer corps. Many of our enlisted personnel also have undergraduate degrees, or are working toward them - and many are planning on getting their degree via the G.I. Bill after they return to civilian life.

Even those (immature knuckleheads) who are not interested in higher education prove to be some of the most competent and valuable assets to our country. Maintaining and repairing complex communication, computer, fire control, missile, avionics, etc. systems under dangerous and/or adverse conditions is the norm. And it is not easy!

Your bias is not unusual, military personnel hear such things all the time and just chalk it up to ignorance and attribute it to those who just don't 'get it'.

Evolution
Mike: You are right about some things, but you are wrong about evolution. Why don't you use your God-given brain to look at the accumulated facts including the information about DNA. You do harm to Christian's by perceiving that being anti-evolution is somehow non-Christian. Seek ye the truth and the truth shall make you free.
I know that referred to theological truth, but it applies to other matters as well. I would guess however that you are fixed in your beliefs and that my email will have no effect on you. If God gave us this big brain, aren't we supposed to use it to understand this wonderful world that we have?
Donald W. Bales, M.D. retired
http://balesblogsite.blogspot.com

My Grade School Education

My Parents enrolled me at a School that was an experiment in education, from Grade 1 through Grade 8.

The only requirements were a commitment from the Parents to keep their child in the school for 8 years and the student have an average IQ or better.

The class consisted of 25 students, where all students worked through the curriculum at their 'Own Speed'.

We had only one teacher, a female, during the entire 8 years.

I don't recall when our teacher made this statement to us - "Your goal at school, is to learn how 'You Think' and how to apply what you learn to your life."

All tests (at least those I remember) consisted of drawing conclusions about the information learned, rather than the information itself.

Although I did not know what it was called, our Teacher used 'Dialogical Thinking' to educate us on our own perspective of information.

If our Teacher determined that I had a perspective of e.g. 'A' on a subject and another student had the perspective of 'B'. She would assign me (at a future date) to take position 'B' and the other student would be assigned my position 'A' in a debate.

We learned very quickly that 'Perspective' within itself, was NOT truth.


In the world of Law and Order
in which Adams teaches it is specifically important to show students how the opposing views of the world( atheism and belief in a higher power) affect the behavior of human beings. We are what we think.

Atheists give themselves freedom of speech in college classrooms because they believe their ideology is neutral.

Religious speech is protected by the BILL of RIGHTS. It is our duty to use our free speech. Politically correct speech does not even need to be protected. It is simply agreeing with the powers that be. Speak out believers, we are loosing our liberty. For in turn we will loose our society and become pagans and barbarians.

Some people commenting here do not seem to understand that Adams is not teaching elementary school. THIS IS A COLLEGE classroom Professor Adams instructs. Every thing that comes out of his mouth or written by his hand is protected free speech.


A wall has been set up on our college campuses. There is freedom on one side and starvation on the other.

WATCH Ben Stein's EXPELLED.

Let's get fired up in our faith and be apart of saving our nation.

Donald
No Christian argues the point that Evolution within a species has occurred over the years. One species does not become another. Genesis "created after their kind" You are not pond scum but a man created in the image of God. If you do not hold to Genesis and the Fall and sin, then you believe Christ had no mission. If you believe Christ had no mission and you believe you are an evolved person able to save yourself you are not a Christian.

Energy and Critical Thinking?

The real question is not how old or young the earth is, or whether evolution was the methodology used, but rather when was the origin of energy and what was the source of that energy?

Science declares that, energy can be changed from one form to another but cannot be created or destroyed therefore is always conserved. The potential of energy is less than the original state.

What is the relationship of energy and time?

Kinetic energy is motion which introduces time.

Geological time is a mixture of absolute time and relative time.

Man creates nothing but frames of reference and draws conclusions based on observation.

I have arrived at the conclusion that one of the following explains 'Energy'.

1) energy does not exist.

2) energy spontaneously occured from nothing.

3) energy is eternal or without the element of time.

4) energy was created by intelligence.

All four of these assertions require a firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

There is NO 5th assertion without combining 2 or more of the 4.

Which of these 4 perspectives, proves the 'Higher Critical Thinking' and the intelligence of man?

Retired Geek
I homeschooled my kids for 20 years. I had to decide what they should know. It wasn't that hard. They needed to be the best readers and writers they were gifted to be. They needed basic math skills. We read aloud alot of great books including the Bible. We memorized some scripture. We mapped the world. Grew vegetable gardens. We studied American History. Read biographies of our nations heroes. Learned to play instruments and took sketching,spoke Spanish. We sang in choirs and went to boyscouts and played on sports teams. They acted in plays made puppet shows. I could go on and on. My kids loved life and people and God then I sent them off to public high school. If I had been clever enough I would have kept them at home for high school too.

As Christians, what is our language?

DNA and Critical Thinking?

What exactly does 'Common Building Materials' in Humans and Animals prove?

What separates Humans from Animals, is the ability to use facts, logic and reason to make decisions.

Common materials such as Genetics found in life forms, proves only a common source of materials.

Where those materials come from, is the real question, not necessarily how or when or why they were assembled.

The 'Singularity of the Big Bang', begs the question of several things.

1) Origin of the energy that ignited the 'Bang'.

2) Materials for that energy to operate on.

3) Space for the 'Bang' to occur.

4) Motion for the materials that 'Banged'.

5) Time for that material to move in the space that energy 'Banged'.

Anyone care to "Prove" beyond a reasonable doubt, the origins of these 5 points?

Irritation is not offending...
To me people who talk about their beliefs, that are inconsistent with mine, are irritating, but I'm not offended. Liberals are offended by people talking about their God, because, as Ann Coulter puts it, their Godless, and more importantly, it gives them "victim" status. More to the point, liberals are offended by just about everything that a Christian/conservative stands for.

Conservatives are irritated by people denying the existence of God, but don't go whining to a "higher power" and claim that we're offended. Conservatives are also irritated by just about everything that a liberal stands for.

I apologize if it sounds like I'm speaking for all liberals and conservatives, but that has been my experience with the two factions.

There's nothing in the constitution that gives anyone the right to be un-offended. Liberals need to get over that and start acting like adults instead of spoiled brats.

academic acumen
Speaking of academia....why have we not seen any past scholarly activity from Herr Obama. He was a constitutional law professor (albeit ADJUNCT) at the U of Chicago was he not? Where is HIS paper trail? His student evals? His law opinions? Suppositions anyone?

Joycey et al

I respect your dedication to your children, but what you described in your post @9:59 AM is what and how your children were taught - not the 'Purpose'.

I think your 'Purpose' was the survival of your children.

My perspective on the 'Purpose' of education, is that children should be taught 'Survival Skills'.

If Children are to 'Survive', then the American Educational must teach students how to survive in the Paradigm shift, from industrialization to Global Information.

Modern mankind should realize that survival hasn't changed that drastically in the eons of time.

Modern mankind should realize that they must be pro-active and seek to enhance skills, knowledge and modern day implements to ensure the survival and well being of self and family.

Modern day schools seek to promote self-esteem and equal outcomes instead of hard work by the individual for self-determination.

Social skills between collective groups and tolerance for alternative lifestyles are more important to the modern day educator

Faith in evolution
Donald, I have read Francis Collins "Language of God". Some of Dalkins stuff (selfish gene etc). I graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Biology form the University of Washington. I have looked at the structure of DNA and come to a different conclusion than you. Even Francis Crick, the atheist, that discovered the structure of DNA did not think it could have evolved on this planet. So Crick came up with a new theory, "panspermia". He suggests we were seeded here by aliens that evolved on another world (Dalkins sometimes agrees). Micro-biology and information technology and their recent advances, have sounded the death knell for neo-darwinism. If we are still freemen in 20 years, capable of free thinking, I predict that Darwinism, like man made climate change will laughable. Even the new missing link fossil, while a fine specimen, proves nothing. It was found in 47 million year old strata. Supposedly, this was the same time bats appeared in the fossil record. The only problem with this is, the bats are fully formed and look just like modern bats. How come a lemur evolved into monkeys and men, and bats changed not at all? ( keeping it simple and macro for you). How do homosexuals propagate their kind? Is there a evolutionary advantage to homosexuality? If not an advantage then why would the genes for homosexuality not disappear from the gene pool after a generation? Or is homosexuality a choice each generation struggles with.

And your declaration of total dependence
on Jesus. Keep your focus on Him.

My Thoughts on Why Survival Skills

My Thoughts on Why Survival Skills are not taught in Government Schools in America.

Modern day schools no longer emphasize survival because the government is trying to grantee survival of everyone - equal outcomes taught by Government Schools, trumps individual achievement.

Initiative is not necessary under socialism.

The initiative to be a skilled hunter/gatherer or basket weaver etc. for trade with someone with a different skillset is no longer necessary under socialism.

The initiative to increase knowledge for use in advancing humans is no longer necessary under socialism.

The initiative for defense now has become 'words' instead of weaponry.

The initiative to move where one can find better land to farm and hunt/gather is gone - the replacement is government funded crime centers - called housing projects.

The initiative to raise a family to share work and defense is now an industry - the more babies a woman can produce the more income - the more babies a woman aborts the more income for Planned Parenthood.

The initiative is now on children learning sex so they can become consumers of government and Planned Parenthood services.

I agree Retired Geek
but that is so small because the world keeps changing. It really is about love of family, friends, God and country, a love for life and a desire to be of service. A desire to help good over evil. It's all about being of good cheer. It really is an attitude. We are creative by nature. We have the nature of God, being created in His image. I never worry about technology. Children are far more brilliant at catching on than we are.

Hal Doofus Waxes Melancholy 8:53am
"I was referring to his philosophy not his life but that could be fading too. I am not a reactionary by any means I suggest that you locate a dictionary and find someone to show you how to use it"

reactionary: one in opposition to progress

Sure seems like you are. Even writers in the former Soviet Union are warning that the US is wrong to try "Marxism". Your love for our marxist president and his already failed policies (in the former USSR that is) is an "opposition to progress".

Sorry Doofus, the shoe fits.

You are a "fading reactionary".

Just because your political party won, it doesn't mean you are not fighting "progress".

Oh, the Horror of IT!
He was probably less offended by the possibility of being taught by a Christian than the possibility that he might (horrors!) have to study to get a good grade.

Retired Geek
Government schools can only have that much power where the people allow it to. Children having children having children having children. How does one stop it. One person at a time. If you have time.

Orlando Cajun 10:18am
Isn't it amazing how liberals go beserk about the things that offend them. They think that free speech means they have the right not to hear anything they don't like or that offends them.

But they sure don't have any compunctions about saying/doing things that offend people like me. They think it is a civic duty to offend me and put down everything I believe in and cherish. They think they are helping me to "evolve" and grow.

I was reading Ann Coulter's 'Godless' yesterday and am amazed how evolution has not yet deselected these deranged mutants from the planet. They really are a very sick and dangerous bunch.

The Doofus Amits He Is Wrong 8:53am
""...Perhaps you need to rethink your life."

great advise take it"

You also need to type better Doofus. You need the word "I'll" in your last line, between the "advice" and the "take".

Note, I also took the liberty of correcting your spelling. "Advise" is a verb. You needed a noun in this sentence. I believe you meant "advice".

chuck with a j
Have you seen a little film where a cell is explored. It is drawn not actual. But you follow the process of DNA. It absolutely blew my mind. It's like a huge complicated factory. I watched it over and over for a whole evening never loosing my amazement. GOD is amazing.

Dr. Bales
There is no proof that exists that one species has evolved into another species. There is ample proof that species evolve to better-adapted versions of that same species.

Scientists, and non-scientific evolutionists, often get these two very different concepts confused. Look at a biology textbook - every factual example included to "prove" the first concept is actually an example of the second.

Joycey et al

Joycey wrote: "...It really is about love of family, friends, God and country, a love for life and a desire to be of service. A desire to help good over evil. It's all about being of good cheer. It really is an attitude. We are creative by nature. We have the nature of God, being created in His image..."

Only a 'Foolish Person' would disagree with your statement!!!

Survival in a World created by God - acknowledging God is 'Square One' in personal survival.


REtired Geek
I love the topic of beginnings.

When it all comes down to it mathmatically our existence is impossible. But the fact is we are here.

Look at an empty chalkboard. Atheists believe that a piece of chalk appeared out of no where without a cause and by its own power wrote complicated equations on the board. Everyone knows what I described is impossible. It is impossible to believe it.

So instead I believe the impossible happened because we exist. but as opposed to the atheists, I believe it happened by a miracle. God did it. God did what was impossible. He made complex things to appear out of nothing by simply speaking. And He did an amazingly beautiful and glorious job. He took nothing and He made something.

For years I found God too powerful and amazing for my tiny mind to understand. But after I was given faith in Jesus I knew God was real. After many years of whining to God He made me understand that the opposite of God is impossible. I can't believe in impossible.

Tracee @ 9:09 a.m. EST.

WEll SAID! FINE POST!
................................................................................................

Do you think my post @ 5:55 a.m. EST could become reality?

Let's consider something that already has happened.

What if you and I and several others we're having a conversation. Let's say this chat took place about 10-years-ago, or even seven-years-ago. During the discussion, I state this, "One day, not too far off, a beauty contestant will be asked a question concerning marriage. In reply, she'll answer that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Because of her statement an uproar occurs. She becomes controversial and many people will criticize her."

How do you think the folks at our talk would respond?

A. They would wonder if I lost my mind?

B. They would laugh and say that's the most ridiculous thing they ever heard?

C. They would say that WILL NEVER HAPPEN HERE?

D. All of the above.
................................................................................................


My post @ 5:55 a.m. EST. A reality one day? Or just something that WILL NEVER HAPPEN HERE?

RW
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 9:12 AM EST
Hal Donahue
"But please don't shoot any healthcare providers"

Does that mean it's OK to shoot deathcare providers?"

Define the word and as a general rule it is not OK to shoot anyone a concept timid and frightened reactionary conservatives have a problem with but then again they do encourage and approve of torture ...

educators
will be held to higher standards when they stand in the presence of God. If even ONE is led astray........woe be to that teacher. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. Mike Adams will have no such fear regarding this particular dictate from the Lord. God bless and keep up the good fight. Real Christians everywhere will hold you up in prayer...

Grey Ghost - real definition
Things are bad when you are unable to even be honest with yourself

reactionary

An extremely conservative person or position that not only resists change but seeks to return to the “good old days” of an earlier social order.
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

Joycey et al

Once I escaped (because of Jesus Christ), from the bondage of Marxist/Atheism I thought my beliefs in God were correct.

I believed that God created all that exists and stated that at every possible occasion.

A person with whom I have great respect, not only in intelligence but his Faith in God, told me this:

"Geek your problem is that 'Your God' is too small, you are limiting God by YOUR intellect."

I began to realize that God is beyond my understanding - I would have to be equal to God to fully understand Him, I will never be equal to God -> 'Period' -> end of story.


Retired Geek ...
You couldn't be more correct. There is virtually no open discussion in our current educational system about WHY we do what we do ... no direction with respect to the purpose or point of education. To the extent there is any debate within the educational establishment it centers entirely on methodology ... the HOW not the WHY.

When I first became a teacher (after a career in the USMC and in the law) I attempted many times to start these kinds of converstations ... even wrote and presented a couple of papers on the subject. You could hear the crickets chirping for miles.

Part of the problem is that the assumption among far too many teachers is that the ends of education should be to produce PC enabled liberals.

Hal
states: Define the word and as a general rule it is not OK to shoot anyone a concept timid and frightened reactionary conservatives have a problem with but then again they do encourage and approve of torture


If you approve of abortion--then you also approve of torture. Now don't be stupid.

Keep the Faith
I am a Christian attorney in Dallas, Texas. I am glad that you are standing firm against the pressures to silence Christians. I will pray for you. It is amazing that students want to revel in mediocrity. I felt led to go to law school after I was married and had twin boys. I went to Baylor Law School and graduated Magna C*m Laude (for some reason I can't post the true word in the middle). Working hard is what each of us should be doing. Unfortunately, too many of us are looking for a life of leisure.
Keep the faith!!
Eric

On the Definition of Reactionary
Hal ... why quibble over the definition of "reactionary"? It's roots lie in the French Revolution ... and later came to be used (by liberals) as a pejorative, to describe all conservatives.

But in the 20th century as a matter of practical usage to be "reactionary" has meant opposition to Socialism and more specifically Communism.

No problem. We're reactionaries ... proud to be.

On a somewhat related note: historically your posts have been cookie cutter lefty stupid. Lately they just seem mean spirted ... It's kind of sad really, like when the villiage idiot falls down a well or something.

Get well soon.

Alliance Defense Fund
Your article (inspiring as usual) makes me want to immediately donate to the ADF. The kid sounds like a sad pathetic jerk. Both my college kids have been offended by their professors but they didn't write a crybaby letter to the powers that be. Wonder if he thinks this is a surefire way to ace your class. Keep up the good work Dr. Adams.

Hal Donahue
"you are just a fading reactionary trying to give meaning to your life which is understandable."

If you can't see the insulting tenor of the above, I don't see the point in engaging you.

As a Christian
I deplore the murder of Dr. Tiller. I did not agree with his practice of performing late-term abortions but I absolutely denounce the taking of his life. I believe in peaceful protest and working through the legislative and electoral systems to effect change. All true Christians are horrified by this murder and I hope that, when the murderer is tried and convicted, he is dealt with according to the law.

But I guess in Hal's eyes I am still a "reactionary".

truetolife
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 11:26 AM EST
Hal
states: Define the word and as a general rule it is not OK to shoot anyone a concept timid and frightened reactionary conservatives have a problem with but then again they do encourage and approve of torture


If you approve of abortion--then you also approve of torture. Now don't be stupid."

LMAO So you agree that you approve of murder and torture at least that shows some honesty. By the way for the record, the only partial birth abortion I know of was for twins. Sadly, they died in the womb at eight months and the mother was beside her self carrying them. Torture would have been denying her the abortion

Boycott
There does seem to be a concentrated attack on Christianity these days and as much as Liberals claim to be anti-capitalists, they do to like their money and jobs as much as anyone else. For this reason, I believe that financial boycotts are the way to go whenever applicable.

marcmat
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 11:45 AM EST
Hal Donahue
"you are just a fading reactionary trying to give meaning to your life which is understandable."

If you can't see the insulting tenor of the above, I don't see the point in engaging you."

Do you believe telling the truth can be an insult?

from Rasmussen
President Obama contends he inherited the nation's ongoing economic problems and that his actions since taking office are not to blame. Sixty-two percent (62%) of U.S. voters agree with the president that the problems are due to the recession that began under the Bush administration.



Walt,
I don't think anybody meant to disparage the military. The fact is that the military is a lot like a grown up version of sports. It requires a lot of personal responsibility and more than a little teamwork. The consequences of your actions are very immediate and very visible. You either succeed or fail, win or lose. You either work hard, train hard, and learn as much as you can or you risk being on the losing end. Many kids go to college without much sense of themselves or much work ethic. You can coast along, go on drinking binges and still pass and get your sheepskin. But what have you learned. The military isn't a place to rehabilitate incorrigibles, but it is a good place to develop a maturity and sense of personal responsibility as well as a responsibility to others that would be absent otherwise.

It may not be practical to require that everybody spend a couple years in themilitary before entering college, but it isn't a bad thing for people to spend some time supporting themselves in the military or civilian life for some time before going to college. Nobody can teach you if you don't want to learn.

Agent Crawfish et al

"Why" requires critical thinking - Which constitutes Work - "How" requires much less work by the Teacher as well as the student.

Modern Liberal thinking is to 'Punish Hard Work' and 'Reward Indolence'.




To Mike Adams
1) Every teacher has experienced a poorly performing student using whatever to deflect blame onto the teacher. What else is new?

2) I don't know what subject you teach, but unless it is some aspect of theology or religious practice, why would you even bring your Christian witness into your classroom (of which your greeting to your students is an arm)?

Conservatives complain constantly that liberal teachers and professors use the classroom as a forum for broadcasting liberal philosophies. A coin has two sides. A liberal teaching Calculus has no business starting a discussion of gay marriage or the need for gun control BECAUSE THESE SUBJECTS ARE IRRELEVANT TO WHAT HE IS PAID TO TEACH. By the same token, a conservative who is teaching any subject but biology has no subject bringing up his denial of evolution, and it's questionable whether he would be acting in a professional way if he personalizes the argument even then.

The reason has nothing to do with discouraging any ideology at all: it's a matter of doing what you are paid to do. If I had a Christian statistics teacher who met with me in a tutorial session to help me learn how to take a standard deviation and he ended our interview with "God bless you" I would take that as a courtesy (I have a degree from a Catholic university where many nuns and priests called blessing on me, a lot, and I thought they were being nice).

But if a teacher greeted me in Statistics 101 on Day One with a diatribe against evolution or telling me about the import of Christ in his life, I would indeed complain to an administrator because I would have heard clear warning that classroom time was going to be used for purposes other than teaching statistics, and that's what I paid tuition money for, not to hear the teacher's religious zeal, even his zealotry. To subvert the freedom of the classroom and use it to blow one's personal horn is dishonest.

Hal Donahue what is your point?

"New York Times, 19 August 1934. Eighty-nine and nine-tenths per cent of the German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite Chancellor Hitler's assumption of greater power than has ever been possessed by any other ruler in modern times."

Public opinion chose Barabbas instead of Jesus Christ.

Many despotic rulers and tyrants have had 100% approval ratings.

Why are you changing the subject?

To Hal Donahue
See Paul Krugman's article "Reagan Did It" in today's New York Times. Takes the trouble back a bit before Bush. Probably can be googled by title.

not just statistical mechanics...
Thermodynamics helps explain randomness. A retired chemistry professor knows this, of course. Why do things tend toward equilibrium? Why does entropy always increase? How does the notion of evolution, not just a single occurence, but a complete string of evolution from the primordial ooze to the diversity of flora and fauna that exist today, coexist with our understanding of thermodynamics? Evolution is a likely, or perhaps less so, than the atmosphere or the oceans spontaneously separating into their component molecules. Certainly possible, though.

To Lilly

Why is Homosexuality being taught as normal and healthy and in what class?

lilly
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:10 PM EST
To Hal Donahue
See Paul Krugman's article "Reagan Did It" in today's New York Times. Takes the trouble back a bit before Bush. Probably can be googled by title."

I have the NY Times delivered and readit first thing with my coffee. Krugman nails the problem spot on but kind of like Reagan in Lebanon they will ignore this too. The best part is the S&L crisis I am fairly certain saw Neill Bush, the failed Bush's brother, convicted of felonies. I drove by Silverado often when I lived in Denver

Retired Geek
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:14 PM EST
To Lilly

Why is Homosexuality being taught as normal and healthy and in what class?"

It is normal and healthy

Why Higher Education is Failing

Relevance is NOT being taught - instead information is being taught to pass tests.

'Politically Correct Speech' was designed by Liberals to narrow thought and 'Scope' of 'Free Speech'.

'Hate Speech' was designed by Liberals to 'Silence' any criticism of 'Special Rights' for some, while eliminating 'Rights' for others.

'The Fairness Doctrine' was designed by Liberals to 'Eliminate' any and all Speech that would question the 'Rise' of the Liberal Totalitarian government.

If a baby is dead in the womb...
I don't think the removal is considered abortion. Certainly, if it is called abortion, I don't think that meaning of abortion is opposed by Christians. It is more commonly known as stillbirth or spontaneous abortion. I am sadly all too well aware of it. To compare the death of a fetus with the killing of a fetus is about as abhorrent as it gets for me. Some say that a stillbirth is God's will and perhaps it is, although that is not a claim I am willing to make. While the end result may be the same in terms of there being a dead baby, the morality is completely different. I don't even know how to have a conversation if you don't see that.

Lilly
"Every teacher has experienced a poorly performing student using whatever to deflect blame onto the teacher. What else is new?"

What's "new" is Mike is evidently taking a stand against it.

Teaching Homosexuality as Normal

I cannot understand those who support and want Homosexuality taught in schools as 'Normal'.

I wrote a software program for a Company that specialized in 'Home Therapy' for HIV/AIDS patients.

I accompanied the Nurse Practitioners to 4 homes where they performed the therapy - I thought I needed to understand and observe the therapy in order to write the software.

I have NEVER seen such suffering and misery.

I swore to myself that I would always speak out against the horrors that result from Homosexuality.

HIV from Anal Intercourse — In the U.S., anal intercourse continues to be the primary transmission route of HIV infection for homosexuals.

The CDC says there are 40,000 new infections each year and the rate of infection is climbing because many younger homosexuals are engaging in risky behaviors.

Liberals say they are showing 'Love and Compassion' for Homosexuals, by condoning and supporting Homosexuality - this is 'Strange Love' indeed.

OUR COUNTRY NEEDS ANOTHER T JEFFERSON
IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE GREATEST VOLUME OF SHEER BRAINPOWER OCCURRED WHEN JEFFERSON DINED ALONE,
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'

It should be a requirement that any candidate for President of the USA should study Thomas Jefferson's writing. The current president is so opposite from Jefferson that it is hard to believe he understands our forefathers or our constitution or is he still mad that he doesn't look like one of the faces on our currency?






Again, I would re-emphasize that
anyone who has never taught a college level class and attempted to get difficult students to act, behave, and perform like responsible adults has no standing to criticize anything Mr. Adams says.

Non sequiturs from brain-dead Hal
"President Obama contends he inherited the nation's ongoing economic problems and that his actions since taking office are not to blame."

Let's admit that this is true. Is he just going to repeat that forever as an excuse or get down to some real leadership now that he has his dog?

"Sixty-two percent (62%) of U.S. voters agree with the president that the problems are due to the recession that began under the Bush administration."

Another non sequitur. Will Obama face the fact that liberal spending policies by members of both parties are to blame, and especially Democrats who refused to correct abuses by FNMA and FMAC that were encouraged by rules that they themselves put in place over the years, or will he just continue the stupidity with liberal appointments, unconstitutional runaway spending, and bailout policies...oops!...never mind.

Your grandchildren are welcome to the bankrupt socialist legacy you have prepared from them, but mine don't deserve it.

Good point Ron Jones
If that's a nom de Web I might suspect you're either a Clancy fan or an ex-sonarman. The left has peddled the numbers of freaks in society up to as high as 14% but most stick to Kinsey's totally debunked 10%.

Alfred Kinsey was a debauched and dangerous homosexual pedophile who used to make home movies of his wife masturbating. He also based all his "studies" of homosexuality on data from MEN'S PRISONS in England!!

He would be proud to take the helm of NAMBLA if he were alive. As much as I like the work of both Forest Whittaker and Liam Neeson I can't abide either "Last King of Scotland" or "Kinsey" much less the sycophantic adulation showered upon these celluloid atrocities by the liberal media.

In the early Nineties there were no less than 8 fully independent studies done by researchers who knew how to set up surveys so as not to predetermine the outcome. None of them knew of the others' work. They came to results that varied, but the high end in terms of the gay population was aroud 4.5% and the low end was about 1.1% with a median at about 2.2% as I recall.

This was mentioned for a few weeks on Rush's show and NOWHERE ELSE in the media. It has been SPIKED like the story of an STD outbreak at a Bible school in the last century. Nobody has the gonads to go near the truth in the media because 2.2% of the population have been given protected status and will fight to the death to keep it.

Until AIDS emerged even SNL used to do tons of gay jokes. WHEN was the last one and I do NOT count the "gay Scoutmaster skit" that slimeball Baldwin did.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

what????
Why is Homosexuality being taught as normal and healthy and in what class?"

It is normal and healthy

How do you define normal? The primary purpose of sex is reproduction. (note: I didn't say the only purpose) And homosexuality isn't going to lead to procreation. Or perhaps I should say the probability of homosexual relations producing offspring is as likely as evolution from the primordial ooze to the diversity of flora and fauna that exist today. ;) Is something normal when it occurs in approximately 2% of the population give or take? Would you say it is normal to be born with a serious birth defect like Down's Syndrome? Would you say it is normal to be a billionaire? No, I think homosexuality is not normal and the burden is on you to explain wh why we should call it normal.

And homosexuality isn't particularly healthy, either. At least statistically speaking, their is a higher percentage if not absolute incidence of serious std's like AIDS, syphillus, and many others than for hetero relations. Not all of that is due to the specific act of gay sex, but I certainly wouldn't call homosexuality healthy, if it only for the social reasons. Again, the burden would be on you to back up such a claim.

When you going to take your own advice?
Robert writes: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:39 AM EST
Best Kept To Oneselve
Mr. Adams,

I would have to side with your complaining student on this one. I prefer that my professors keep their religion to themselves.
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How about you shut up

Hal
Just as I suspected. You have no concept of reading comprehension. I obviously do NOT approve of torture--whereas you do. Read a little. The baby at ALL stages of abortion (for even at the earliest)babies feel pain. They also fight the procedure. Little tiny babies fighting for their own lives in what should be a safe haven. Instead, wombs have become back alleys for babies. You're a hypocrite. Post abortive women's only torture is living with the knowledge of what has been taken from them.

FeedFwd
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:24 PM EST
If a baby is dead in the womb...
I don't think the removal is considered abortion. Certainly, if it is called abortion, I don't think that meaning of abortion is opposed by Christians. It is more commonly known as stillbirth or spontaneous abortion..."

It was counted as two partial birth abortions. They could have been carried until they were expelled "naturally" an abortion was done. A spontaneous abortion is a miscarriage

"... I am sadly all too well aware of it. To compare the death of a fetus with the killing of a fetus is about as abhorrent as it gets for me. ..."

I feel the same way about spinning the truth too. You are being played. Get the history of most of these partial birth abortions - the real history. I oppose them and believe in limits that is why I think the courts, doctors and women must make the decision in the last trimester.



I wish
people in America really did respect education, they do in some areas but not in the subject of Good Government as this man is the expert.
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Reba writes:- 12:28 PM EST
OUR COUNTRY NEEDS ANOTHER T JEFFERSON
IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE GREATEST VOLUME OF SHEER BRAINPOWER OCCURRED WHEN JEFFERSON DINED ALONE..
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Its sad to know we have the correct formula for good government from the Founders and this man, and is ignored to listen to complete idiots of today

Retired Geek...
After 35 years in the field I'll try to answer the question about the purpose of education in the U.S.
Since our beginning as settlements and colonies, education's stated purpose was to provide an educated citizenry, capable of understanding and performing the vital tasks of citizenship. To that end, schools were established that taught children how to read and write, to perform calculations and to appreciate their roots. A major source of inspiration and reading material was the Holy Bible. Educated, well-read Christians were key to the difficult enterprises around them.
That purpose (the building of responsible, well-read citizens) remained pretty much intact up through the post-WWII era. The sixties saw a sea-change as did every other sector of American society. Rebellion against the status quo, always a concern, actually took root and much of what was good and productive about education started to fall away. Madeline Murray O'Hare , the ACLU, et al, tore the Bible from the schools (I still remember a daily Bible reading during homeroom in my PUBLIC school in Philadelphia as recently as the '60s), opening the door to "diversity", "multi-culturalism", "moral relativism", and other social emphases. Academic rigor suffered and we went through a period of burgeoning special education programs to "level the playing field." Money tightened, loosened, tightened, loosened multiple times and these programs' prevalence rose and fell somewhat in response, but the federal laws establishing Title I, et al, never went away and these programs became the "tails wagging the dogs" as they swallowed more and more of district budgets...unavoidable when the feds mandate things.

Every Teacher has their own Challenges

When I taught advanced computer programming techniques, my classes were eight hours long.

The beginning course lasted one week.

All students experienced 'Brain Overload' at some point in the week.

I learned to digress from the subject matter at times, to allow the students brain to relax and 'catch Up'.

I asked such questions as, what is the difference between Plato's 'Dialectic' method of problem solving and the 'Dialectic' of Karl Marx?

Why is 'Abstraction' an important tool in problem solving?

Why is 'Error Trapping' an important tool to measure your theoretical approach to solving a problem and the reality of human usage?

Why aren't political solutions measured by results, instead of intentions and ideals?

The students always were more interested in the last question than any others I could devise


Retired Geek (part 2)
Social structures have been decimated (an overall 11% illegitimacy in the 1970s is now 40%, with black out-of-wedlock births now averaging 70+% nationwide...some inner cities see 90+% among blacks). Schools have to face these fatherless kids every day, with all the problems they bring. See statistics on single-mothers, how their children fare in school and how they run afoul of the law. It will open your eyes.
It's never simple to trace the demise of public education in the U.S., but the above is a thumbnail sketch that I hope will clarify some of the larger issues. I'll leave it to you to seek current SAT and other independent measures' statistics, compare them to 50 years ago and decide how the old was dismantled by the new...to the detriment of the effort.

The Principal from PA

Your answer (In my opinion), is the best one I have received in the six months I have asked the question (14 different websites).

Your answer @12:53 PM, not only described a 'Proper Purpose', but detailed the reasons for its destruction and decay.

Well done, in my opinion!

Hal
"I oppose them and believe in limits that is why I think the courts, doctors and women must make the decision in the last trimester."

Why the last trimester? Why is it okay to draw a line? Why is the line that you choose to draw better than the line that pro-lifers draw? Why is your line, which is rife with uncertainty and variability, better than a line that is absolute? If it is the woman's choice, what right do the courts have to get involved? Are you saying that the child in the womb is a person that has legal rights, too?

One student complaint
I am sure you have had to endure more than just one student complaining to higher-ups. Professors are rated by their students all the time. And, those ratings have to be taken with a grain of salt.

which standards
If I understand this it is not ok to state the students will be treated in accordance to christian standards.
Does this mean the student wants to be treated according to Islamic standards or to the standards of the Nazis?
Or how about the standards before the industrial era. That was a nightmare for all except the owners.
Has the student stated by which standard he prefers to be treated? I really would like to know.

FeedFwd
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:35 PM EST
what????
Why is Homosexuality being taught as normal and healthy and in what class?"

It is normal and healthy

How do you define normal? The primary purpose of sex is reproduction. (note: I didn't say the only purpose) And homosexuality isn't going to lead to procreation..."

Nope but since it exists in nearly every species it must serve some survival purpose. Normal to me means that is is routinely part of a whole.

"...is as likely as evolution from the primordial ooze to the diversity of flora and fauna that exist today. ;)..."

Then it is near certainty ;)

"... Would you say it is normal to be born with a serious birth defect like Down's Syndrome?..."

yes it can be aggravated by environment but normal? yes

"...Not all of that is due to the specific act of gay sex, but I certainly wouldn't call homosexuality healthy, if it only for the social reasons. Again, the burden would be on you to back up such a claim."

Their response is that being oppressed produces oppressed behaviors and acceptance means changes over time

What is Life or a Pre-Cursor to Life

A Friend of mine who is a Scientist and has published 107 Scientific papers World Wide (also helped perfect the Electron Microscope), was one of 100 Scientists who attended a meeting at NASA several years ago.

The question was asked "During landings on the Moon and other Space Probes - how will we determine what is 'Life' or what would a 'Pre-Cursor' to life consist of?".

His response "If a Fetus is NOT considered life, I don't see how that question can be answered by Science."

Off to my volunteer work

Back later.

Baby, Baby!
"As students in the 1960s, the Baby Boomers fought for the right to be treated as adults. After they became college administrators in the 1990s, they began to fight for students’ right to be treated like children."

This is why I like Mike! He cuts right to the core of the problem. Unfortunately, the mentality of the left, which is in control of our MSM and educational system, is a baby mentality. It's amazing that so many of these babies never grew up! I guess it's the power that crying can acquire when it is not dealt with by a strong and loving adult. Adult, mature reasoning has been marginalized because it is not in your face but given with grace. All the best, Mike!

As to Dr. Tiller
Dr. Tiller deserved to die. So do I. So do all humans. All of us are sinful, conceited, selfish, etc.

Some of us are "better" than others. Some are "worse" than others. But, does it really matter when we are all bad.

Some of us are so conceited that we feel that we have the authority to be the final judge. Some of us are so selfish and conceited we see no problem with someone taking that justice into their own hands.

I think you will find that most of us are not that conceited. Most of us on TownHall, especially those that are truly Christian, find it despicable that people feel that they have final judgment over someone else's life. I find it despicable that some people feel that they are "better" enough to make a fatal judgment about someone they deem as "worse".

bporter
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 1:08 PM EST
Hal
"I oppose them and believe in limits that is why I think the courts, doctors and women must make the decision in the last trimester."

Why the last trimester? Why is it okay to draw a line? Why is the line that you choose to draw better than the line that pro-lifers draw? ..."

someone has to draw a line. To say that a fertilized egg in a dish is the same as a one year old is nonsense.

"...Why is your line, which is rife with uncertainty and variability, better than a line that is absolute?..."

absolutes seldom work exceptions and grey areas will always exist. If it were my decision I would say quickening is the point where a potential human begins to develop rights. This is why I say start the discussion but do leave religion at the door it has no standing

"...If it is the woman's choice, what right do the courts have to get involved? Are you saying that the child in the womb is a person that has legal rights, too?"

at a given point see above

Hal...
How am I being played? Are you saying that most or all partial birth abortions are already dead (brain dead?) or will die after leaving the womb? If so, why not let them be born alive and then die? Is it the cost? Then let them be born at home without heroic measures. I still cannot see a reason for a baby to be killed in the womb. And I don't believe, but I'm open to evidence of the contrary, that most partial birth abortions are performed on babies who will die immediately after being born.

My wife suffered multiple miscarriages and the stillbirth of mono-amniotic, identical twins. As a result we began fostering and adopting. I don't say that for sympathy or accolades. I only note that to me, all life is precious. We have taken kids, most of whom were born intoxicated with all manner of illegal drugs and with poor, if any, pre-natal care. They have all thrived and I can't imagine the world without them. Many of them have had problems, all all of them have found a home and somebody who loves them and is willing to raise them to be adults or care for them if they won't ever be able to care for themselves. I just can't accept that any of them should have been executed in the womb or on the way out. You must be a cold person, indeed, to believe otherwise. I doubt you care, but I pity you for that.

FeedFwd
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 1:31 PM EST
Hal...
How am I being played? Are you saying that most or all partial birth abortions are already dead (brain dead?) or will die after leaving the womb?..."

No I am saying that so few are done that nearly everyone has a story which is far from black and white. What are the stories?

"...I still cannot see a reason for a baby to be killed in the womb. And I don't believe, but I'm open to evidence of the contrary, that most partial birth abortions are performed on babies who will die immediately after being born."

let's find out shall we what are the circumstances of each since so few are done.

"...of them have had problems, all all of them have found a home and somebody who loves them and is willing to raise them to be adults or care for them if they won't ever be able to care for themselves. ..."

Sorry for you difficulties my wife had one early and it was horrible. But those you speak of found homes according to you however many find homes only in prisons. If we provide proper education, healthcare, maternal support etc we will have fewer abortions. I see the problem being unwanted pregnancy.


bporter
Of course all of your statements are true. I think that, even for those of us who call themselves Christians, the "feeling" part of this is different. Sometimes there just isn't the same compassion when a guilty person dies as when an innocent person dies. That does not mean that we are "judging" where that person's soul is. However, while here on earth, we are called to make judgments and to admonish one another. Either we're for God or against God. We cannot have a foot in each kingdom. I don't feel the same sorrow, for instance, in Dr. Tiller's death as I do for the 60,000 babies he murdered. Guilt vs. innocence. It's a rational human feeling. Feelings are neither right nor wrong. They just are.

Hal...
"Nope but since it exists in nearly every species it must serve some survival purpose. Normal to me means that is is routinely part of a whole."

Are you sure? Perhaps it is just a mutant gene that is recessive, but remains in the gene pool. Perhaps it isn't genetic at all. We need to be very careful about viewing actions of other species that appear to be homosexual. It may be pure anthropomorphism on our part.

Just because something occurs, doesn't mean that most people would consider that it is normal. I would call it natural rather than normal. That is why I asked for a definition of what you mean normal. Normal has a mathematical and a functional connotation. I can accept your definition, but then I would look for another word that separates purposeless, statistically non-significant parts of a population as outliers and not as representative of the general population. That is not to say that they are bad or should be discriminated against. Only that perhaps they should be given proportionate weight when social policy is being developed. If a significant proportion of them are going to be anti-social or destructive to the public at large, then the general public has a right to shun them. They need to adapt, not the other way around. No different than the rest of nature.

Have to disagree
I usually agree with Mike on his strategies with students, as a professor myself, but I have to disagree on this one. Just because athiest professors bring their religion into class does not make it right, and does not excuse Christian or Jewish professors who do it. I don't know that as a student I would call the professor out on it and go to their supervisor, but as a professor I think what Mike did is completely inappropriate.

Hear Ye All Slaves!

Pravda, in an editorial, wrote that Obama was leading America to Marxism. They, also, used the terms Weimar Government and Mugabe's Zimbabwe, which I have been screaming about for months.

Two months ago, Putin warned Obama about Socialism.

China thinks that Obama is nuts and it owns YOU. It will, also, be shipping 50,000 GM cars every year to the United States, but they will all be white putt-putt cars. They have also threatened to counteract Obama's protectionism with one of its own.

Fiat owns, in plus part, Chrysler.

Obama has promised another $50,000,000,000 to GM so it can emerge from bankruptcy.

The Germans have pledged another 1.5 million Euros.

Canada has donated $5,000,000,000 to GM.

John Kerry wants to nationalize the media.

The mega-banks have been, effectively, nationalized.

You will get a choice in healthcare and it will be #1) UK style or #2) Canadian, which is a failure in both. And, it will cost you $10tn over the next 10 years.

The national debt will be $23.9tn in TEN YEARS.

Unemployment will continue to rise.

Hyperinflation will come.

You will be denied your choice in cars.


Even Obama has said (a little while ago) that your miserable existence will be a sacrifice for generations to come.



truetolife
As Christians, we tread dangerous ground when we do not understand judgment. It is one thing to cast judgment by refusing to condone an act; it is another to cast ultimate judgment with murder.

The first is certainly something that we are called to do. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is not a call to "judge not". The latter part of the statement is just as important. We should pass judgment, and we should be prepared to have judgment passed on us. I am a weaker man when my fellow Christians condone my actions that are sinful, hurtful, or selfish and fail to pass proper judgment.

The second is not something we are called to do. We are not the ultimate judge. We should not support anyone that believes they have equal authority as God in this matter. By condoning the actions of the man who murdered Dr. Tiller, we are weakened.

Babies
One result of the liberal/leftist movement of the 1960's is that a big group of whining babies has been created. These are people who march, complain, bully, and mostly makes fools of themselves. Some have stated that since the Victory of the Democratic Socialist Party in 2008, liberals seem MORE angry.

This is probably true. It is now fully engrained and part of the leftist's make-up. If it appears that there is nothing to be enraged about, leftists will create something. What is really driving them NUTS is that since the Marxists have taken control, the rest of us have plenty to complain about, and are voicing our concerns....this is what is driving them nuts right now.

The only way for these hacks to survive in the world is to slander and destroy those with an opposing view...no discussion needed, just call someone a racist, or accuse them of hate crimes. Fear is the name of the game.

More than likely, the little punk in this example really was not offended. Unless you are completely ignorant or have been living under a rock for 20 years, you understand that you can easily strike fear and manipulate in today's social environment. Really want to get someone??? Just find some way that you can link their words, actions or thoughts to anti-liberal positions.

Ya' the little punk reaped in grades what he had sown in the classroom, and knew exactly what to do about it.

Hal says this about homosexuality
"Nope but since it exists in nearly every species it must serve some survival purpose. Normal to me means that is is routinely part of a whole."

Just wondering what "survival purpose" the gay gene has evolved to serve.

One more
One comment to the non-liberals who agree with the student's position (pardon my assumptions...I assume non-liberal due to the lack of pointless name-calling).

Why is it not o.k. to even mention religion??? This is a victory for the leftist...keeping everyone walking on egg shells at all times. What can I say, what can I do, oh no did I offend someone?

What else is not to be mentioned? Could you tell students your political affiliation? Your favorite sports team? Whether you smoke?

I believe that we have established the fact the religion was not being taught or that practice of religion was being urged. You cannot be so blind to think that during the course of teaching and interacting, that absolutely nothing beyond the lesson plan would or should ever come into the conversation. Correct???

I can recall having some great discussions with teachers and professors throughout my education. I am a Christian, and I am also a Liberty loving American. My professor should have the right to mention that he/she is an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. There is no fine line between normal communications amongst people, and the use of one's position for purposes of indoctrination or advancing some goal not related to the course of study.

Mr. Adams was not educating with empathy for one group over others, nor was he encouraging
his students to become born again.

What's next...no more God Bless You?

Could be....
"Just wondering what "survival purpose" the gay gene has evolved to serve."

I believe the lovely Ann Coulter has opined that it may serve to remove wussies and girly-men (i.e. hair-dressers and other liberals) from the reproductive gene pool. Seems reasonable to me. ;)

Alien to nature
That which is alien to nature will eventually exterminate itself (genetically speaking). e.g. If you kill all the roaches the black birds will die. If you walk on two feet you only need two shoes.

Mam'selle...
"If you walk on two feet you only need two shoes."

I infer from your name that you are a female of the human species. I never met one of those yet that only needed 2 shoes! ;)

to Talent Scout
Apologies!!

See my post on yesterday's Mike's Peak article.

bb63

Scumbag Willy

Scumbag Willy demands, "There's no harm in casually mentionally your religion. But don't parade it. Don't ask, don't tell."

How about taking your own advice and quit parading your gayness. Don't ask. Don't tell, Dip$hit.

Mamselle
I need more than one pair of shoes. What do you wear that you only need one pair of shoes? I love shoes.

And if not
There is no homosexual gene. Read recent release from American Psychological Association. Homosexuality is environment and choice. There is no physical reason for it.

FeedFwd
Made me smile

OBAMA
believes the Utopian dream. What a maroon.

Hal Doofus 11:09am
reactionary: one in opposition to progress

The New International Webster's® Standard Dictionary (Second Printing)

Copyright © 2006 by Trident Reference Publishing Company.

Published by Trident Reference Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

All right, Doofus. I published my source. And it is a more up to date source than your source.

And you are correct. Things are really bad when the Doofus tries to make "points" by quoting a dictionary source. You must really be an "angry old fat white man" who realizes that history is passing him by.

Former Communists saying the USA should not adopt a failed economic system like Marxism, European countries electing Conservatives, and even Israel's Prime Minister telling O'Vomit to "Go To H*ll".

Just at your moment of greatest success, the rest of the world is starting to say that you and the Dumbocraps are wrong. That has got to hurt Doofus.

Good luck with your drinking. But you must realize it won't cure your pain.

bporter
I'm just saying that even Christians have feelings!! Feelings are neither right nor wrong. They just are. I'm not condoning the murder of Dr. Tiller anymore than you are--I'm just saying that I feel more sorry for his victims than I do for him. And, yes, I know that Fr. Pavone and Priests for Life admonished him many times and they were very close to having his license lawfully removed. I'm pretty convinced that the anti life crowd killed him themselves. They were going to lose Tiller anyway--why not make it look like a crazy pro-lifer?? When you're in league with the devil--horrible and unspeakable things happen. PP is the devil incarnate and Dr. Tiller was just another of its minions.

Joycey
"There is no homosexual gene. Read recent release from American Psychological Association. Homosexuality is environment and choice. There is no physical reason for it"

Hal believes it, so it must be true. Seriously, he hasn't responded yet, but I want to know what the lib thinking is on it.

I wonder too what is to be made of this determination that gayness is based on lifestyle choice and environmental influences, in light of "survival purpose."

Comrades!
Good news on the Western Front! America is being destroyed and, even better news, they are doing it to themselves! They have chosen to follow a dedicated Marxist into the pit that is Marxism, a failed ideology that we were lucky to get rid of, but only after it led to so much misery and poverty in our country. The American President actually thinks that taking over private companies and having them run by the state will make them MORE EFFICIENT! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That certainly worked well for us and all of our failed five-year plans, didn't it Comrades? What a FOOL he is, and what fools the Americans are for following him. Comrades, we can toast our victory over vodka and borscht tonight.

Sotomyadams
Looks folks, it's clear that this is an ill-conceived and off the cuff comment that people are taking out of context.

Mike is sorry that people are taking this article this way.

Mike wouldn't say the same thing again.

Mike's beliefs will in no way prevent him from being an impartial critic of his students' work.

I expect that his next review for tenure will be a smooth one.

James
"Mike is sorry that people are taking this article this way.

Mike wouldn't say the same thing again.

Mike's beliefs will in no way prevent him from being an impartial critic of his students' work. "

Mike didn't say any of those things and never would. There is no correspondence between the two people as there is no coreespondence between truth and Libs.

Vnam
Mike didn't say any of those things and never would. There is no correspondence between the two people as there is no coreespondence between truth and Libs. "

****
When you make stupid statements like "no
correspondence (try to spell it right), between
truth and Libs" you credibility runs out the
door. Stick to your political views and forget the dumb remarks about libs.

I agree
with this column in essence.

However, I don't know why Mike Adams must be
in your face about everything. He simply
is a guy who goes looking for trouble, and always finds - and thrives on it.

It does get tiresome, even if he happens to be
right.

Hey Hal
"It is normal and healthy"

Not according to the Centers for Disease Control. According to the CDC, nearly all new AIDS cases where the origin of infection are known were contracted by those falling into one of 3 categories:

1) Males who participated in homosexual sex.
2) Intervenus drug users.
3) Both 1 and 2.

Gay gene or genes
No gay gene or set of genes has been identified, yet. And, there may be no gay gene. There are a plethora of theories about why some people are gay, none that has been proved. Everyone seems to have their own opinion. I would like for Ann Coulter to sit down and talk to the decorated fighter pilot who recently came out and call him a wuss. If I remember correctly, Dr. Adams no longer aspires to be as well-known as Ann Coulter.


hmmmm....
I agree that gays should be free to engage in any kind of behavior they want (between consenting adults, of course), but I don't know why they have to be so "in your face about it!" I don't care if somebody is protestant, Roman Catholic, Hindu, Jewish, or atheist. Most just go about their business and you might otherwise never know. But I don't know why Islamic extremists need to go around strapping bombs to kids and cutting off peoples' heads and girls' genitalia? And I don't know why atheists have to be so in your face. They simply have no tolerance and seem to always be looking for trouble.

It does get tiresome, even if they have a point.

You never know...
"I would like for Ann Coulter to sit down and talk to the decorated fighter pilot who recently came out and call him a wuss."

It would be interesting, but I think there is a pretty small likelihood she (or any other hottie) would be able to convert him to a heterosexual. ;)

Joycey
I think I am the only woman alive that does not love shoes(I do love boots) This thread certainly made me laugh today but shoes would be very expensive if we still walked on all fours. I agree with you on the genetics of homosexuality and really would like to know it has to be in our face. Would a heterosexual parade be criticized? Why isn’t injuring a heterosexual man or woman be a hate crime? Why don’t we make sexual profiling will a crime?

To FreedFwd
"hmmmm....
I agree that gays should be free to engage in any kind of behavior they want (between consenting adults, of course), but I don't know why they have to be so "in your face about it!" I don't care if somebody is protestant, Roman Catholic, Hindu, Jewish, or atheist. Most just go about their business and you might otherwise never know. But I don't know why Islamic extremists need to go around strapping bombs to kids and cutting off peoples' heads and girls' genitalia? And I don't know why atheists have to be so in your face. They simply have no tolerance and seem to always be looking for trouble.

It does get tiresome, even if they have a point." - FreedFwd

You would be amazed at how many gays are not in your face about their sexuality. The "normal" assumption every time you meet someone I am sure is that they are heterosexual, unless your gaydar detector registers that something is amiss.





Liberals and Monkeys

African hunters know how to trap 'Monkeys', which is a staple in many communities in Africa.

The Hunters first 'Find or Make' a hollow log.

The Hunters then drill holes in the log just big enough for the monkeys hand.

The Hunters then drop food through each hole.

When the monkeys who are looking for a 'Free Meal' discover the log, they insert their hands grabbing a handful of free food, which makes a fist, which is now larger than the hole.

When the Hunters arrive at the log, the monkeys are terrified - but refuse to let go of the free meal.

Thus, the monkeys sell their freedom and lives for a 'Free Meal'.

This analogizes the methodology of Liberals and their captors.

NOTE: It is important to notice that the 'Log' which holds the 'Free Meal' is hollow.

Monkeys and people
The monkeys that you in your story are hunting like any other wild creature. The monkeys don't demand a free meal.

HIGH STANDARDS
is exactly what all students should be held to. We have lowered the bar too much in educating our youth.

I grew up in an era when students were expected to do their homework, respect their teachers, coaches, and instructors, were disciplined by principals for misbehaving. Education came before sports and extra curricular activities. When I graduated from high school, I was prepared to go on to college or seek a profession. No one was asking "Why can't Johnny read?"

Today, excuses are given and accepted when homework is not done, discipline is very rare, no respect for teachers, parents will sue if Johnny can't wear baggy pants to school. Sports come before academics because Johnny might go on to become a professional athlete.
More funds are spent for finer school buildings and equipment and it doesn't teach Johnny to read. But Johnny is taught about children's rights and feeling good stuff.
Teen pregancy and drop out rates are higher. Now we are asking why Johnny can't read.

I know why. More money won't fix the problem.
Higher standards should be made by parents and teachers as they once were. Look where this liberal crap has taken our education systems.
Johnny can't read, write or do math.

I have been a manager of several young employees and have witnessed their lack of education. They don't care, they can play on the computer all day, one of which I fired for doing just that.

Good Lord America, wake up and go back to a basic education. It won't hurt Johnny to study a little harder and honor the rules at school. He might learn to make a living for himself and get out of the your house sooner.





And If Not
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 2:16 PM EST
Hal says this about homosexuality
"Nope but since it exists in nearly every species it must serve some survival purpose. Normal to me means that is is routinely part of a whole."

Just wondering what "survival purpose" the gay gene has evolved to serve..."

Not my specialty but since so many of our artists and caregivers were gay that may be the reason to enhance survival of the species. Many of our sports figures are gay. Then there are the rumors about Lincoln...

SwampFox...
I'm sure you are right. Assume only 1 in 100 are gay, even though the number is probably higher. Certainly, less than 1 in 100 are "in my face." But you may agree that some of the more vocal gays give the rest a bad name. And there are a few misguided heteros that are as bad or worse in their zeal to make sure gays aren't mistreated or misunderstood. There are obvious stereotypes, but truthfully, the last thing I imagine or care about somebody I meet is whether they are gay or not. They would never hit on me and if they did, I would calmy and discreetly make it clear that I'm not a switch hitter. I'm sure they are just about everywhere, as a fraction of the population at large. But frankly, I just don't hang out at places or with groups that tend to attract gays in large numbers. It has nothing to do with whether I like them or not and everything to do with simply having little in common.

But you knew that anyway, I suspect. I was just sharing with Tammy a bit of irony and sarcasm. I try to do that rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks or other forms of babbling.

The Evil Dictates of Barack Obama

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Ignorance Elected by the Ignorant

"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession – their ignorance."
~ Hendrik Van Loon

"Ignorance is the mothers milk of Liberalism."
~ Retired Geek

Free Speech?
Dr. Adams teaches Sociology and Criminology at a public college where the students pays over $16,000 to receive an education. Other than as an academic exercise, I am not sure what Adams' religion or views on Darwin have to do with his classes. He made no mention of the academic content. College is the place where students should be introduced to new ideas and challenged intellectually. In a perfect world, professors are objective with no bias. Ha ha, yeah, that'll happen. I survived all those Marxists in the 60s and learned a lot about why such systems are doomed to failure. At least his students have been warned of his bias. If this kid thinks it is bad in college, wait until he finds out what awaits him in the real world.

FeedFwd
I tip my hat to you.

right is its own defense
"I usually agree with Mike on his strategies with students, as a professor myself, but I have to disagree on this one. Just because athiest professors bring their religion into class does not make it right, and does not excuse Christian or Jewish professors who do it."

I doesn't look to me like he did that. All he did was give his personal reason for his high expectations of them.

I think that people are reading more into that is there (which might be what Dr. Adams intended to provoke).

The alternative question is, what reasons do atheists and liberals give?

Power
Power is a zero sum game.

When men were leaders, the patriarchy, in Universities up to and including the 1960's they lead with their values (God, honor, excellence). Today feminists (women leaders and metro-sexual men), are leaders, they have their values - feelings, atheism, woman's right's like abortion, easy divorce, domestic violence).

Feelings and victimhood versus reason and superiority.

From Christine Pelosi
When it comes to shooting cops in Pennsylvania (http://kdka.com/local/officers.shot.Stanton.2.975820.html) or killing a doctor in Kansas (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/how-i-and-other-pro-life_b_209747.html), the "fire" is an atmosphere of hate speech where people were told repeatedly that a pro-gun safety president was taking their guns away or that a pro-choice president was promoting baby killing..."

I see why you fear the words hate speech

I like to know
when I meet someone or have them as a teacher whether they are a believer or nonbeliever. Then I can understand where they are coming from. Generally nonbelievers are less tolerant I have found through my journey in life. They can talk and talk about their disbelief or their degenerate lifestyle and that's okay. But when a believer speaks up and, God forbid, mentions Christ by name the nonbeliever becomes very uncomfortable and defensive. I had always wondered why nonbelievers are so defensive at the mention of Christ's name until I realized just the mention of his name scares them. They have to start thinking about what will happen to them after they die. They have no answer for that. Believers do and are assured of what will happen. Also there are people who want to live destructive lifestyles and do not want anyone to get in their way. Therefore, believers must be silenced.

Doofass:
WTF does that bulsh1t you just posted mean? Been hitting the Everclear and orange juice hard?

SFA1973
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 7:05 PM EST
Doofass:
WTF does that bulsh1t you just posted mean? Been hitting the Everclear and orange juice hard?"

You know damn well what it means. You extremists need watching and hate speech must create liability. You wind freakoids up and send them off.

To marcmat
Religion was a straw man here. A kid who is in trouble (or thinks he's about to be) knows 1001 ways to try and deflect blame onto the teacher. A charge of racism also works as well as a religon-based one. I had a colleague who was accused (by a flunking student) of anti-Semitism; the student didn't know she was Jewish and her husband was a Cantor. This used to be chiefly a high school sport but now they do it in college too.

I just now googled Adams to see what he teaches at the University of North Carolina. According to the website, it's criminology. Bringing up Jesus and Darwin seems irrelevant either to presentation of the material or conduct of the class and putting the issue in an email to students before classes started (in the way most people send the reading list or syllabus) was a sort of pre-emptory attack.

If you think you are called to discuss your Christian witness all the time everywhere no matter what, you may do this in the hopes of bringing your students to Jesus but it is more likely that they will bring you to the Dean because, unless you teach at a Bible college, you will be perceived as extremist.

Adams' last couple of articles suggest to me that he is heating up for a life transition of some sort. Would he perhaps be happier teaching at a church-based school? He sounded so happy and at-home when he went to the ministries conference. Why not make that change instead of looking for fights? Why stay where you feel you don't fit in?

To retired geek
RE "Why is homosexuality being taught etc"---I haven't the faintest idea. I've never taught it. What are you talking about and why do you direct this to me? I have two long posts to this thread explaining why teachers should stick to teaching whatever they're getting paid to teach. I could see the subject of homosexuality fitting into health, sex education, sociology etc. The subject might come up if you were teaching the work of a blatantly homosexual author eg Truman Capote. I don't see that it should fit into Geometry or Organic Chemistry. Do you? What are you talking abut? Maybe you've sent to the wrong liberal?

I will say this: if I taught elementary school and had a kid in class that had same-sex parents I would NOT tolerate for one second any nastiness toward or exclusion of that child, just as I would not allow racist talk aimed at a minority child. This is not the same as Teaching Homosexuality. It is protecting ALL the pupils in one's charge.

Like I said on
Adams:
Doofass you are a hater, a liar, a bigot, and hypocrite. Just read that post of yours, and you will find it dripping with hatred.

I do believe it Braindead Obumf^ck gave orders to round up conservatives, and put us in a GULAG, you'd put on your US NKVD or US Totenkopfen Uniform, and do a job that would make Dzherzhinski, Yezhov, Yagoda, Beria, Heydrich, Laltenbrunner, and Eichmann proud.

And If Not
"Just wondering what "survival purpose" the gay gene has evolved to serve."

Probably not genetic, but there is a purpose:

The weaker, slower animals on the margins feed the big cats and the hyenas, preserving the strong in the herd so that they can reproduce.

The homosexuals contribute to the greater survival of the group in the same way - nice curtains keep us from getting skin cancer, and plush couches and comfortable decorating keep us from arguing with our mates, so that we also reproduce.



;-)

Let's see.
"Finally, I said my Christian views would cause me to treat them differently – namely, by holding them all to a high standard that would help them find their purpose in life: a Divine purpose given to them by their Creator."

And you're wondering why you got into trouble?

Hear Ye All Slaves! - II

Gas prices are up 19 cents in the last two weeks.

Oil reserves are being depleted because Obama has prevented drilling on leases dating back to 01.01.02.

The yields on 10 & 30 Treasury bonds have SKYROCKETED, which will result in a world of hurt for anyone that uses cash or credit.

Gold is increasing.

Guns and ammo sales are SKYROCKETING.

The head of the Government's Automotive Task Force is a 31 year-old former Yale Law Student, with ZERO automotive experience.

The healthcare industry reflects 16% of GDP. The US Government accounts for half of that spent.

Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, went hat in hand to assure the Chinese. During a speech before university students, his lecture on how Obama is a fiscal conservative generated a chorus of laughter.

And, you guys don't even realize how much of your economic freedom has already been ceded.


Hey, Louise do you see the cliff?

To Tracee re Persecution
Some Christians like to push the envelope, doing things they know will get them in trouble, because they like feeling persecuted (like Jesus). A few years ago some folks knelt down to pray in the middle of a busy intersection where their prayerful presence stopped the flow of rush-hour traffic. When they refused to move, they were arrested. They had cameras and right-wing media ready to photograph them being "arrested for praying". The planned arrest was a PR stunt. Conservative seeing this on TV or in print media shared in a feeling of persecution for their Christian witness. Political contributions to conservative candidates ("I will defend your religious rights!") increased.

No one cares
about this sob story.

Will the HomoBoy
You give Gays a bad name Will. You have no compassion in your heart, you are a pathetic little boy, not getting what you want and crying about it. Drop dead. Move away from california before it is too late, since the gays are being hated I have heard it may drop into the ocean. Cheers homoboy

Hal Supports post birth abortion
Him and Obama will be sittin on the Lords knee one of these days, and the Lord will ask them Why? Why would you support such things, the destruction of what I the Lord have created?

What will you say then Hal?????????????????

Lilly would arrest Jesus
I don't know if he ever stopped rush hour traffic, but he was definitely a non conformer. Jesus loved all life, even the tissue within the womb that some call "inconvenient" He would stand and give his life for all. Think about that Lilly you confused old bat.......

Hal and Lilly should get together
The combined additive intellect that would be created from such an event would boggle the mind. Neurons firing in seemingly random processes, dogs and cats living together,,,,

CharletonHeston, racist
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 8:29 PM EST
Will the HomoBoy
You give Gays a bad name Will. You have no compassion in your heart, you are a pathetic little boy, not getting what you want and crying about it. Drop dead. Move away from california before it is too late, since the gays are being hated I have heard it may drop into the ocean. Cheers homoboy"

Come on out of the closet grrl. You know you want to....

CharletonHeston
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 8:45 PM EST
Lilly would arrest Jesus
I don't know if he ever stopped rush hour traffic, but he was definitely a non conformer. Jesus loved all life, even the tissue within the womb that some call "inconvenient" He would stand and give his life for all. Think about that Lilly you confused old bat......."

WOW he said a lot about rich people and the poor. And he said a lot about helping each other,,, where did he talk about "tissue within the womb"? The truth is Jesus said little about sex or related things. You apostates say a lot. Why is that?

Doofass:
Yeah, he said the rich should decide how to use their money not be forced to by the government.

To Rich D
Probably not genetic, but there is a purpose:

"The weaker, slower animals on the margins feed the big cats and the hyenas, preserving the strong in the herd so that they can reproduce.

The homosexuals contribute to the greater survival of the group in the same way - nice curtains keep us from getting skin cancer, and plush couches and comfortable decorating keep us from arguing with our mates, so that we also reproduce." - Rich D

How about because they don't have children they have the time to learn and be the teachers and/or create more wealth than they themselves can use ...... giving that wealth to society/tribe so the society/tribe can prosper and reproduce. Of course this is just a theory. The fact is that no one knows.

To Dr. Adams
I just wish you all the happiness that God has to offer us. I do gather from your two previous columns that life hasn't been that great recently. It will get better. Even with all my troubles, I never stopped believing in God and never will.