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Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
America's Teens: Not As Raunchy or Irresponsible as You Think
by Michael Medved
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Why do so many otherwise reasonable people feel an odd compulsion to embrace the illogical and unsupportable notion of the nation's total moral collapse?

Despite irrefutable evidence of dramatically declining rates of crime, divorce, drug abuse, traffic accidents, smoking, abortion and even environmental pollution in the last twenty years, most Americans insist that the ethical state of the nation has never been worse. Doomsayers love to repeat the portentous line: "If God doesn't punish America sometime soon, He's going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah."

In fact, no chapter in my current bestseller THE 10 BIG LIES ABOUT AMERICA has inspired more controversy and indignation than the final one, in which I argue against the claim that "America is in the Midst of an Irreversible Moral Decline."

Despite the fact that prestige media outlets have generally supported this sensationalist and attention-getting lie, the New York Times recently filed an important report that helped place the situation in a more balanced perspective. On January 27, 2009, Tara Parker-Pope dismissed alarmist reports from the likes of Oprah Winfrey and Tyra Banks that the nation faced a "teen sex crisis." Under the headline, "The Myth of Rampant Teenage Promiscuity," Ms. Parker-Pope reported: "While some young people are clearly engaging in risky sexual behavior, a vast majority are not. The reality is that, in many ways, today's teenagers are more conservative about sex than previous generations."

She cites a number of startling and unexpectedly reassuring statistics:

--The National Youth Risk Behavior Survey recently showed that the majority of all high school students, both male and female, remained virgins. In 2007, only 47.8% had ever had sex –a sharp drop from 54.1% in 1991.

-- Meanwhile, a 2002 report from the Department of Health and Human Services also showed that teenagers seemed more determined to postpone their first sexual encounters. Only 30% of 15-to-17 year old girls had experienced sex—dramatically down from 38% in 1995. In the same period (just seven years, remember), the percentage of sexually experienced boys in that age group declined from 43% to 31%.

- Younger teenagers also showed significant decreases in sexual experimentation. In 1995, an alarming 20% said they had had sex before age fifteen, but by 2002 the numbers decreased to just 13% of girls (and 15% of boys).

According to Professor Kathleen A, Bogle of the sociology department at LaSalle University: "There's no doubt that the public perception is that things are getting worse, and that kids are having sex younger and are much wilder than ever before. But when you look at the data, that's not the case."

According to Maria Kefalas, professor of sociology at St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia, "this whole moral panic thing misses the point." Dr. Bogle reports that "I give presentations nationwide where I'm showing people that the virginity rate in college is higher than you think and the number of partners is lower than you think and hooking up more often than not does not mean intercourse. But so many people think we're morally in trouble, in a downward spiral and teens are out of control. It's very difficult to convince people otherwise."

In fact, the members of "The End is Near" crowd will seize on any scrap of evidence to support their alarmist perspective. In January, ABC News highlighted a slight rise in the teenage birthrate, and seemed ready to attach some of the blame to 18-year-old mom, Bristol Palin. The report noted that "Palin's home state of Alaska one of 16 states to see a rise – led the way, with a 19 percent increase in the teenage birthrate from the previous year."

Of course, this disturbing number obscures the fact that the overall national increase (measured by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) measured only 3%. What's more, that slight uptick came after fifteen consecutive years of decline in the rate of teenage births—a period that saw a spectacular overall reduction of more than one-third. Bill Albert, chief program officer for the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, called this progress "one of the nation's most extraordinary success stories of the past two decades….where we had nothing but good news to report for almost two decades". Even this expert in the field to teen pregnancy prevention seemed puzzled by the new data. "We've never known exactly why the rates have decreased so dramatically, and I don't think we'll ever fully know why they've gone up here."

Amazingly, all of the heavy-breathing stories about the sudden (and slight) rise in teen motherhood focused on convenient and high-profile scapegoats, ranging from Governor Palin's precocious daughter Bristol (who recently called abstinence "unrealistic" in a TV interview), to the acclaimed movie "Juno," to abstinence education itself. The journalists failed to mention, however, the one most obvious and logical explanation for the rise in the pre-twenty birthrate: it reflected a sharp increase in fertility and childbearing for women of all ages, all races, and all economic situations. The general fertility rate hit its highest level since 1971 – showing a one year-increase among older women at least as notable as the rise among teenagers.

In other words, the rising number of teenage mothers connects with the rise of motherhood in general – and the dramatic decline in abortion. The rate of pregnancies ending in abortion has gone down by nearly one third since its peaks at the end of the '70's and the beginning of the '80's.

In this context, the small increase in teenaged births doesn't demonstrate a breakdown of moral discipline among the young, but rather shows the society-wide improvement in attitudes toward human life and child-bearing. In every age group, women proved more eager to welcome babies and far more reluctant to terminate their pregnancies with abortion.

These ongoing arguments about the nation's moral health carry far more than abstract or academic significance. The insistent claims of collapse and corruption can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, conveying the notion that it's impossible to stand strong against the tectonic shift toward self-indulgence and promiscuity. The endlessly repeated notion that the disrespectful younger generation displays no restraint and no responsibility (a claim repeated by middle-aged parents of every era of human history) only serves to encourage teenagers to abandon any efforts toward self control. If ethical decline is indeed universal and inevitable, why should any youngster attempt to struggle against it?

It's far healthier for our children, and for society at large, to emphasize the good news as well as the bad and to affirm the principle that, in America, no negative trend is ever irreversible. Concerning the misleading portrayals of youngsters as heedless hedonists with lurid, lubricious sex lives, we owe it to our kids and our country to put the situation in a more honest perspective. As the 1960's rock band The Who so memorably insisted: The Kids Are Alright.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Anderson
CC receipts would tell you what zip code they are from... that could be correlated to voting records.

I don't know anything about the study parabolas referenced, but it's funny to see how you conclude it couldn't possibly be true because it would conflict with what you already believe.

parabolas, on making it up as you go
I didnt realize credit card receipts had conservative or liberal check off. Does that mean an independent is a bisexual?

What you are trying to do is about as inane a try as I have ever seen a liberal ideologue try and do.

The only thing you are doing is making it up as you go along.

Wait I get it, this is your first try at satire! Work on it, this try really sucked.

Conservatives are biggest consumers
Conservatives are biggest consumers of porn. That is one of the conclusions of a nationwide study of credit-card-receipts from major online adult entertainment providers. Those states that tend to be the most conservative and religious consume the most porn. I wonder if we study welfare, will we will find that the most conservative states consume the most welfare?

relativity and zen
As things get better they also get worse. Black and white are two faces of a continuum called light.
America does not have a pornography problem, rather we have a problem addressing an area of human behavior with a legitimate response. Rather than promoting taboos we should find some way to create a acceptable set of behaviors. What is acceptable sexual behavior?
What is acceptable erotic play between married adults? Most of you can not even use the words to describe the world of erotic possibilities so you just erect taboos and think that, that is the end of the issue. This is part of the human condition and it is hard wired into the code. We will either deal with it or it will express itself in other very distorted behaviors. Married couples with sexual problems will project their problem on the rest of us......

The numbers may not have the full story.
MM's numbers are impressive, and the point about looking beyond knee-jerk panic about concerns both liberal and conservative is very important.

HOWEVER, I think he may be overlooking a critical difference between recent years and previous times of comparison. There has NEVER been such access to pornography as has come about within the last decade, when the internet, cell phones, and Ipod-like devices have made indecency and sexually compulsive maladies magnify by hundreds if not thousands of percent.

Could it be that lower rates of teen pregnancy and sexual activity are due to greater levels of "non-interactive" immorality that will continue to disrupt lives for decades to come? Pornography is usually a gateway to other sexual licentiousness, but to the degree that is available now, it is not unimaginable that it can become an end in itself.

Just as there may not have been a prior golden age, there may not now or ever be a time of universal improvement, only shifts from one area of bad to another...


Idiots...you got any
daughters who are dating or married? Do you give (or if you are a guy, get) bjs?

Young women, conservative or not, are just more adventurous than in your day. Stop acting like such a prig.

Tell your sons


I tell my sons its ok to date a Liberal but marry a conservative. Think of the children.


Liberal girl friends are a lot of fun. Heck they will go for anything. But when you get serious about life, you really need to spend it with who understands the gravity of the situation.

Conservatives love pessimism
I think most conservatives love pessimism. They prefer to think that everyone (except themselves) is sliding down a moral slope to total decay. Statistics won't change this view, because conservatives generally don't really believe in any statistics except those that have been cooked to prove a conservative point. So, just as many conservatives will never, ever believe that there can be global climate change, so they will never, ever believe that just maybe teenagers are not the immoral scum they believe they see all around them.

More important, most conservatives have dire needs to regard themselves as favored by God, and so they must view people other than and unlike themselves as sinful human excrement. This position is otherwise known as Christianity. Historically, Christians often believe the absolute worst of people around them. What is unfortunate is that this hatred and loathing is extended to teenagers without a second (or even a first) thought.

Bitter, splenetic animus toward the world is probably necessary for conservatives, but it does make them enormous pains in the a** with whom to share a society.

Joan and Aurora watcher
I thought you conservatives don't want the libs messing with you...telling you what to eat, smoke, drive...yet you turn around and want censor because something offends you. If you don't like SI, then don't buy it. Tell your local store not to stock it.

If the parents of small children are so fraught with angst over SI, then don't take your kids to the store with you. Leave them at home with your spouse. Ultimately, morals and values are the responsibility of parents, not mags, not movies, not music, not tv. That is why you are supposed to monitor what your kids buy, and make sure they are not accessing things online or on the tv that you find offensive. The more priggish you are, btw, likely means your kids will be even more curious.

Medved's denial of the obvious

For a good antidote to Medved's denial of the obvious, please read Robert Bork's Slouching Toward Gomorrah (a work which includes both statistics and sound, honest judgment).
Leo Strauss summarized the (now) self-evident decline of our civilization by writing “that such a crisis exists is now obvious to the meanest capacities.”
Obvious to everyone but Pollyannas like Medved, I guess.

I agree
The problem with America is not the teens, but teen parents. They are the ones who are keeping their kids from being accountable and responsible. I have coached high school basketball for 13 years; never have the parents of the players I've coached been worse or more mistaken. The selfishness they learned in the 60s and 70s translates to their handling of their children, whom they see as extensions of themselves. No hint of unfairness or accountability can ever affect their precious little ones.

These are the facts.
Michael, I enjoyed your article, but a lot of people still don't agree with the statistics. Many are conservatives, and enjoy blaming liberals for the demographic "crisis" this country is in. Abortions, drug and alcohol use, and truancy rates are among the lowest in decades. There are fewer homicides every year even though our population has grown. Teenage delinquency, while always a problem, is getting better except in the worst inner city places. Sure, rap music and movies are violent, but all cultures listen to rap music and watch our crappy movies, and there is little connection between that and bad behavior.

William in Fla writes:
"In short, Chloe is right, grow up."

Will, if Chloe is the example of "growing up", maturity ain't what it used to be.

Why Indeed!
Perhaps it is unfair, but the majority of 'older Americans' see teenagers at the mall, on their video phones doing really stupid and often illegal 'stuff', watching movies from the 'political Hollywood wonders and marching in the streets, throwing rocks through business windows, overturning cars, etc.
I could write a 'HERO' essay every day for the next two years about the 'exceptional teenagers and young twenty-somethings that I know personally. They have manners, consideration, education, goals and INTEGRITY.
Also, they greatly differ from the afore-mentioned young people. They don't dye their hair orange, pierce an tatoo their bodies until it's downright ugly. They don't treat their parents with total disrespect, they aren't into drugs and they don't wear their much older and heavier brothers' pants and let their underwear define them.
I'm all for individuality, in fact, I encourage it. But, many of the kids today crave attention - and end up getting the wrong kind.
Parents that care and peers reaching out would make a world of difference. Meanwhile ALL 'kids' end up getting the same bad rap.

Who's really lying?
The reports that immorality is going down, and those saying it is going up, are plainly from different sources of information. Since they contradict each other, one of them has to be a lie. So I can't help asking myself, which lie is more likely to be made? A promiscuous youth who claims "Me? Sex? No way", or a virtuous youth who claims "Me? Sex? Almost every night"? This shouldn't be a hard one to figure out.

Billy in Seattle

All about redefining

Just as Liberals want to re-define the meaning of marriage.

Many youths have already redefined drugs to not include Marijuana or glue sniffing.

Young people have also redefined sex to not include oral sex. (Courtesy Bill Clinton)

Todays young ladies (not all) are spending more time inmitating a hoover vacum cleaner than all previous generations thought about sex. They simply do not see it as sex.

Moral decline
"America is in the Midst of an Irreversible Moral Decline.
If this statement in not true how can you explain the election of Obama?

Typo
The "movie" I referred to in the fourth paragraph was the notorious child porn movie "Hounddog"... now to be found in Blockbuster or to be ordered online. I edited out a paragraph to fit in the message. This depraved film, also known as "The Dakota Fanning Rape Project", can be found on the same shelf area as "HS Musical III", "Igor" and "Horton Hears A Who". Right where kids will be sure to find it. No doubt, they'll be suitably impressed.

Let's Put It In Perspective
30% of schoolchildren are experiencing sex. And, that it's down from 38% is... great? Sure, a minor disaster is better than a major one, but what else can truly be said? And does Mr. Medved, through his rose-colored glasses, actually believe that the recent rise is just a "bump"?

Here's the gist. Our society is sexualized as never before. It is also secularized. Standards of decency, morality and citizenship are not only at rock-bottom, not only are they not being taught, but they are actually being discouraged. This follows not only in the depraved popular culture, but in the schools themselves. And this is all on the rise. Concurrently, so are levels of crime in all facets; not only against children, but by them.

Michael Medved, as a ranking member of CAMIE, is committed to upholding the best in the film industry... which is good as far as it goes. However, the dangers inherent in the bad- and there is much of that- cannot be ignored as well.

Now, what kind of attitudes in children- to be carried over into adolescence- will this movie and those its already "inspired" bring about? What about those "pimpin'" video games, MTV, "Hounddog", the internet, Britney Spears, the condoms-on-the-cucumber, et al? Kids are impressionable. They remember. And they shape their future world around what they learn while young.

The only "bump" was that decrease. The Gomorrah is on the way. And, by ignoring this reality, we'll allow it to happen... just as we allowed Sodom's incursion in the 1970s.


Longsuffering before destruction…

In reference to the destruction of Sodom: let’s made the proper parallels.

Abraham was told that destruction was coming to Sodom and Gomorrah because the ‘outcry against them is great, and because their sin is very grave’. He inquired of the Lord for the sake of the righteous that the city be spared, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”

But Abraham continued to intercede for Sodom, “Suppose ten should be found there?”
And the LORD said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten” [Genesis 18]. He is longsuffering and patience towards His people.

It is wrong to compare us to Sodom because there are many righteous within our gates. If Abraham is called the father of the faithful, then he should be our example in these things. Grace is stronger than sin; forgiveness more powerful than lawlessness.

For the believers, let us plead together with the Lord to send a Spirit of repentance to overcome the spirit of rebellion and deception. Let us plead for a revival of the knowledge of the glory of God revealed in Christ Jesus. This is our great need as a culture and the only thing that will turn away the wrath of God being revealed against our unrighteousness. [Romans 1:18]

curious
I've never seen so many people on one blog who are so angry, hate-filled, curdled and corroded. Life must be sheer misery for you all, I know if I was carrying all that rage and hatred inside of me I would be.


Sorry about that.

Joan and Aurorawatcher
I guess you really have two choices concerning your problem with "smut". Since SI's Swim Suit Edition is commercially very successful (the standard conservative typically use as a measure of righteousness), you can 1) choose not buy it, or 2) chose not to shop at places that sell it. If neither of those options suit you, I guess you can always move to Iran.

In short, Chloe is right, grow up.

Chloe
I sometimes wonder why I bother with you, but here goes again. Sports Illustrated is one bit of flotsam in a huge shipwreck. Personally, I don't really have a problem with it. My children are used to conversations about nakedness in the grocery store line. My son has no problem with asking "Why is that woman's breasts hanging out of her shirt, Mom (I think that was Cosmo a few days ago). We discussed it and I don't care what the people in line thought of the tact I took. My teenager gets pretty exercised about the objectifying of her gender, not just on faith grounds, but on ethical grounds as well.

The fact is that parents of small children, particularly those of us who don't want our children's minds filled up with the cess that is no doubt in yours (based upon your posts) are fighting an uphill battle. Some of us would prefer some standards to be revived in our society. We don't want to have that 111th conversation with our kid about the semi-nudity on the magazine cover or why they can't say the s-word when you hear it everywhere. Last night, at the grocery store, some guy explained "these are f***ing green tomatoes." My teenager, whom he was commenting to, opined that she didn't see them engaging in sexual activity, but they about as red as they ever get here locally.

It really comes down to, is such vulgarity really necessary in our society? Do we really gain anything by allowing nudity and semi-nudity in public places and swear words in every other sentence? If you could make an argument for the betterment of society by allowing it, then you might have my consent, though probably not my encouragement. So far, though, nobody's come up with a good reason for allowing it other than that they like it or don't think it's harmful, neither of which is a convincing argument when other people don't like it and do think it's harmful.

christianlib
Nor by a narrow and selective criterion such as teen pregnancies.

christianlib says:
Unfortunatley, "moral decline" is not measurable by statistics alone.

Both you and Mr. Medved should be aware of that.

US Military Officer V. OBAMA
Another Active Duty Officer Joins Military Action DEMANDING obama prove his citizenship!

I saw the title on DrudgeReport.com "Soldier doubts Obama's eligibility, defies president's orders... " and followed that to the Andrea Shea King show, so I just finished listening to you speak.

I wish to be added to the lawsuit against Barrack Hussain Obama.

My family participated in writing and signing, the Declaration of Independence. They have fought in every major war up to Vietnam. From what I can tell based on geneology work, at least 12 generations of my family have served in this nation's armed forced, and as such my family has paid heavily over the past few hundred years to create, protect, and defend this country.

It was with that ancestry in mind that I joined the military in 1983. At that time I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. My allegiance is not to a president or a political party, but the Constitution of the United States.

During the past couple months since the election I have suffered severe mental anguish due to this situation and have been torn on what to do. My oath and allegiance to the Constitution will not allow me to sit idle while our country is overthrown by an internal enemy. Based on all information I have seen and read, I am greatly concerned that America has elected as President someone who is not qualified to hold the postion and is an usurper. His actions thus far, and stated intended future actions, prove him to be an enemy of the United States.

As an active-duty officer, I can be sent to combat at any time. I believe that gives me legal standing to question Mr. Obama's legal qualification to serve as my Commander in Chief.

Respectfully,

REDACTED


http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/02/25/another-active-duty- officer-joins-military-action.aspx


Medved and Sports Illustrated
Our youngsters are in real hot water when greedy publications like Sports Illustrated display their near naked young girls on shelves in drug stores and food markets for all passersby to scan. If this is a given for drooling teenagers, I heartily object. Put the naked Nellies on a high shelf so mothers with young children will be spared these objectionable flicks.

Joan
grow the heck up. This is 2009. Naked or near naked bodies are not a sign of decay. Raising your kids in such a narrowminded way that seeing SI's swimsuit edition turns them into ravenous sex fiends is the problem. Grow up.

Medved and Sports Illustrated
Mr. Medved, What I find to be especially disconcerting is Sports Illustrated and other magazines of their ilk who entice young girls into displaying near naked bodies for the satisfaction of sex deprived men who get their kicks devouring these photos like adolescent schoolboys. This particular type of publication will go on infinitum, but would it be asking too much of the various drug stores, grocery stores and news stands who openly show their complete contempt for sensitive youngsters and mothers who are subjected to these X-rated flicks, to put the trash on upper rows where it will be out of sight and hopefully out of mind?

RAUNCHY PARENTS
Police were called to my child's elementary school today because some 5th graders were caught trying to sell cigarettes and drugs. Incredible! I'm sure their parents are pieces of work. Our society is decreasing in the collective responsibility of our citizens. With this economy, watch inflation AND crime increase.

All I'm saying is usually, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Patrick from TX
in 11/08, rightwing haters passed Prop 8, but could not get support for parental consent law. Stop worrying so much about abortion.

and you righties apparently think movies and books have more influence over your kids than you do. You are the ones that count, not the 'media'.

Moral decline
What happens is that we get older and learn what some things mean that we never noticed before we knew better. That makes it look like things are "getting worse", even when they are getting better.

We can only track "better" or "worse" through statistics, and the right kind, like "per capita", with other statistics to put them in context.

Otherwise you have a treasure map showing where to dig in an area 100 feet across, and you don't even know what country it's in.

ONE MONTH IN
DO NOT PLAY THE LIBERALS SHORT OBAMA HAVE ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE FOR A MONTH. THE INDUSTRY THAT HAVE RECEIVED THE MOST FUNDING IS THE SEX INDUSTRY OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND LIKE IRRESPONSIBILTY OPERATIONS. NO MORE PARENTAL CONSENT FOR ABORTIONS ON DEMAND.

christianlib
You got your head in the sand? Wake up;what funny bible are you using?

desensitized (cont'd)
But, really, aside from the Hollywood thing; we may have less sex (definition please Mr. Clinton) - these kids are pressured for "experimental" alternatives. High school girls who wear multicolored rubber wrist bands aren't into every Lance Armstrong/Breast Cancer/Remember-our-troops cause...those also can represent the different types of activities that girls will do for guys at teen parties.
But, I digress; I don't think it's just the kids...it's us, we've become desensitized to a more crude, sexual active, openly drugged lifestyle. Watching an old episode of Leave it to Beaver is almost painful for some to watch, as Wally, Beav, Ward, & June seem to walk around with a cob up their arse & are so damn polite it makes you want to scream. (in truth, I actually still enjoy them, but I did show an episode once to a high school church youth group one time and most of them couldn't sit through the one show.
Kids may not think they're having sex, but they may be far more active than what these statistics might show.
I truly enjoy your viewpoints, Mike, and I pray that things aren't as bad as what they seem. I'm just a little skeptical of the statistics you've recieved and the perception of them.

JP Reply #14
...What you need to do is what Medved and so many others have done: lower your standards! Then, the world around us looks hunky-dorey!


That is one of the main reasons why this country is in the condition we are in is by lowering our stantards in morals, education, personal responsibilities, etc.

values/morals decline or desensitized?
"Mr. Medved, maybe our misperceptions come from teh media today with shows like "gossip girl" and "90210" that show those types of lifstyles as perfectly normal and acceptable. Maybe we should be demanding better programming from Hollywood." - Jennifer

YES! Jennifer, you may have it! One can look at the "bad boys/girls" of each generation for those of us kicking around the planet, and see a different acceptance of values at all ages.
For my grandparents, what was considered as not decent or moral behavior was considerably different than my folks, and then not quite as big of a difference - but there still was between my folks (60's) & me (80's). Having been involved as a youth leader for various groups out west (Colorado) and back home (midwest) - I have seen a change in the different pressures that the kids see in the schools. It IS different from when I was there. But according to general society, it's "no big deal", it's not considered out of the ordinary.
My wife and I are the "mean" parents because I don't let me 9 & 11 yr olds watch shows like the 40 yr old virgin, Juno, Knocked up, Family Guy, etc. (I could list off 40+ more that other kids have wanted to watch & when we said NO they looked at us like we were insane & said "OMG, I've seen it like 10 times, it's no big deal" - especially my daughter's friends)

Yeah, right
I base all my philosophies and arguments on songs from The Who, too, although the line from Won't Get Fooled Again applies to Medved's article.

"I know that the hypnotized never lie."


Lon
Just talking theory here (no data to back this) but if indeed city crime is down and rural crime is up, this is a good reason why the crime rate "drop" should be looked at with a skeptics eye.

Rural groups very well could be behind on the curve ball when reporting statistics and maybe much of their data is not even reported

Again hard to debate without really knowing true stats. There is always an agenda when stats are considered. Especially crime/social services/court systems/tax funding/politics enter into motives for stat gathering.

One thing for sure, I havn't heard anybody lately of accusing the courts of having nothing to do or jails having too many empty cells.

Alaska teen pregnancy increase
I'm at a dilemma here. Please do not think I'm trying to justify the Alaskan statistic, but I am trying to explain it.

Alaska has a fairly large population of village Natives -- people who live in rural communities not even on the road system with limited entertainment options. Drinking is a big one! So is growing and smoking your own weed. Sex is also a big one. In villages without a strong church presence, girls are passed around from man to man, even among relatives. Teen pregnancy is rampant. This last couple of years, because of high fuel costs, there's been more of this behavior and therefore, more teen pregnancies.

Also, we have a large military population and the only US National Guard unit that is continuously on-duty. Some portion of it is in Iraq pretty much all the time. This means that military homes are without one parent and sometimes without both. Again, a lack of adequate supervision leads to an increase in teen pregnancy.

I know some would like to blame it on abstinent education, but my daughter is a 16-year-old public high school student and she says that's ridiculous. What they learn in school is adequate. She'd like to see them emphasize the failure of condoms more, the way they did at her Christian school when they tackled the subject, but nobody gets out of one of our public high schools not knowing you can get pregnant or catch a disease by having unprotected sex and that there are many forms of contraceptives. The emphasis is still on abstinence, but the education is there.

Not suer I agree with Medved, but ...
This might be a sign that the country is, as a whole, growing more conservative.

When I was in high school and college I was one of a very few young woman who would openly admit to being a commited virgin. No guys would admit to it. Most everybody I knew who would admit to be a virgin would always put it out there that for the right guy, they didn't have to be. I figured the right guy would "get" my commitment and he did.

Today, my daughter is something of a peer counselor with her friends. It seems like a great deal of them are virgins, but not necessarily committed. Bri is. Her boyfriend unapologetically admits to his virginity and says he thinks it's a good thing (and not just to us; we have spies). They've set up boundaries for themselves so they don't go where they don't want to go.

It seems to me in the conversations I am a part of with my daughter's friends that there is an increase in conservatism among our young people, evidenced in part by sexual restraint.

Unfortunately, we still have WAY too much sexuality in the media. My 10-year-old mostly watches Disney Channel and he witnesses sexual innuendo between cartoon characters on a regular basis. We discuss it. It's a part of life, but not necessarily how we choose to live our lives.

So, while I raise a skeptical eyebrow at Medved's statistics, I have seen some societal proof for it. I think the very-likely coming economic meltdown will do more to drive young people toward conservatism (including sexual restraint) than any education program out there has so far.

misperception...
"Even this expert in the field to teen pregnancy prevention seemed puzzled by the new data. "We've never known exactly why the rates have decreased so dramatically, and I don't think we'll ever fully know why they've gone up here." "

Maybe because the Dems in congress were trying to get free condoms appoved for High schools so they lumped 18 and 19 year olds into the study even through they are no longer high school students.

Mr. Medved, maybe our misperceptions come from teh media today with shows like "gossip girl" and "90210" that show those types of lifstyles as perfectly normal and acceptable. Maybe we should be demanding better programming from Hollywood.

western bondbeam
I actually meant more why crime is increasing where you are while decreasing nationwide. Although it does sound like some of the increased police are a matter of states (Michigan at least) farming responsibility to the smaller governments.

Is it a question of drugs moving out from the cities so that while crime falls in urban areas it increases in exurban areas? After all, if the murder rate halves in Chicago that could cover for a lot of increase in murder in the collar counties, and even more in rural counties.

It could be that while the cities have mostly gotten better over the last couple of decades, other areas have gotten worse. If so the perception among liberals that things are getting better and conservatives that they are getting worse could both be true where most of them live.

The statistics I have seen have bot been fine grained enough to make such distinctions.

Lon
The increase in police department numbers is a direct result of increased needs (more crime).

When talking recently with the K9 unit, they remain busy and still consider themselves understaffed. I am pretty sure some of these guys are probably fillers but it certainly not the same as it was in mid 80's. Recently the county sheriffs office has had to implement a minimum theft dollar amount before they will send an officer out to investigate and fill out report. I belive $1000 or more they will send a car, otherwise fill out report over phone and they give you a number. Most go unsolved so they are trying to eliminate wasteful manpower.

Also in the essence of fair debate, I will concede that Michigan has reduced it's state police numbers over the last few years due to budget issues.

This is not because of a lack of need, but lack of money. In fact just last week a state police friend of mine claimed he might be next on the list to go. During that very conversation, he got a call from his commander that he was needed in Lansing as some threats were made against Granholm due to her announcing more government layoffs. He works out of Battle Creek post so they were pulling staff from other areas. Irony.


Good quote...
I am reminded of a comment Obama made in an interview prior to the election about the so called "culture wars"...

"...there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it's powerful."

The comments so far on Mr. Medved's article remind me how true that it, and how people will ignore evidence if it doesn't suit their world view. Many people have been made to NEED to believe that the US is going down the toilet.

western bondbeam
Obviously I don't know the details of your towns situation, not even knowing what town it is. Being in Michigan the problems could result from the collapse of the auto industry over the last 20 years.

But your town is certainly atypical in terms of crime rate as compared with most of the country. Since 1989 crime is way down around the country as a whole. There may be exceptions, including Philly near me where murder has been high the last few years. (although I don't know if that is actually to the level of the 1980's).

It would be interesting to know why your town is uncharacteristic in this way.

Of course that talks about crime rates, not numbers of policemen. They may well be up across the board. And then the issue would be whether the problem is crime or policemen.

We All Have Family Values.
There is a vicious group that claims that they are the only ones that have “Family Values” and all others live in a vacuum. But all people belong to a family and have “Family Values” even an orphan was once a family member. It is true that many families are called “dysfunctional” but that does not mean that they have no “Family Values”. There are many reasons for their hardships and most of them are economic. The loss of a job by the main provider is almost sure to make a family dysfunctional. On the other side of the coin if the main provider has a good job the family is almost sure to be functional. There is an old proverb that says: “When poverty comes in the door love flies out the window”. That sums up the idea of “Family Values” and its fiction.


Joycey
Do you have any evidence to support the idea that sex education was working in Ohio before Strickland became governor? After seeing your comment I googled Ohio and sex-ed. The first story was from 2006 and told of a school in Canton with a 15% pregnancy rate that had decided that abstinence only education wasn't actually working so well.

Other stories seemed to be on the same page. The information suggested that things improved between 1990 and 2001. But that from 2001 to 2006 there had been a huge jump in STD's, primarily Climydia but even some cases of AIDS. That would seem to suggest that abstinence only education was a pretty dismal failure at keeping students safe.

Can you point to evidence to the contrary?

Lon
"It is not surprising that Medved would get most of his criticism on this chapter since it is likely the only chapter in which he disagrees with the conservative perspective"
--------
Sorry but I had to laugh when I first read your comment. Medved a conservative. Funny stuff.

I base our moral decline on the size of our city police force, size of prisons, size of governmental influence on it's society...not on behavior of children and teenagers.

Quick example. Town I grew up in, in 1980's had one police car, and two policemen. A chief and Sgt. One worked dayshift, the other nightshift. No partner. No second car.

Today the town is the same size. A few more homes but school census has remained consistent over the years. I graduated with 86 kids back in class in late 80's. Last year the graduating class had 74 kids so the general population has remained consistent. The town (looking at their recently released police calendar) shows 14 officers. A K9 unit and several police vehicles. The increase is out of response to area crime, area needs etc.

Meth is a huge problem in the area now. Wasnt there 20 years ago. Many other issues as well. More murders. More home invasions. Robberies.

Curious
I have been coaching high school basketball for some 13 years, and I'd be curious what coaches see about the character of the kids they coach. I agree that I don't see much difference in the sexual views of teenage boys, but the entitlement mentality and unwillingness to work hard and overcome adversity seem to have declined. I understand that these changes could be in me more than in the boys I coach, however.

Ethics
I have been more concerned about the behavior of adults-lying, not paying taxes, stealing (by fraudulent financial practices), bribery and other misbehavior. Of course, we did have a boring President for eight years-no sexual scandals. How about crime in the inner cities-is that better than it was. And how about crime by illegal immigrants?
I'm glad the young people are doing better.
Increased fertility-I doubt that. Maybe there is more unprotected normal sexual exposure-after all, it is required for conception unless some non-natural fertility procedures are done resulting in eight babies from a woman who already had six children that she could not properly support and take care of.
Donald W. Bales, M.D. retired

Strickland becomes govenor of Ohio
The first move he makes is to pay off Planned Parenthood. (Just like OBAMA, imagine that)

Ohio had the most successful sex ed program in the country. Very successful. Other states were studying our results.

Well no more.

First thing Strickland did to pay off Planned Parenthood was to get rid of our highly successful abstinance based sex education program in good old OH-IO.

Could this be because we are becoming a more moral society?

And where does Planned Parenthood get all the dough to support these candidates. Could it be straight from the taxpayers pockets. Is anyone shocked?

If we were shocked that would be evidence that we are becoming a more moral society.

We can't base reality
On a single event. Much of the "moral decline" crowd is only viewing the world from their own limited perspective. Crime rates have dramatically fallen, but news organizations report on it more frequently. To the uninformed, crime is up, they see it more often in the newspaper or on television. A story of little Annie from the local high school getting pregnant reaches the ears of the parents, now there's a crisis because one child got impregnated.

Even the uptick in teen pregnancies. What are the other factors involved? Can we base the whole picture on a minor year to year increase? What if there's a 2.9% decline this year? We'd be right back to 2007 levels (for those that don't understand math, a 3% increase followed by a 2.9% decline results in no change).

It's as they say, there's a forest and there are trees. You need to understand both to understand the nature of reality. What you see in your daily life is the tree. Try looking at the forest now and again.

area is important
this is not essentially true. many small towns have similar proportions as large towns in terms of drug use, pre-marital sex and unwed mothers. as just one example; Wasilla; population just under 9,000 has the unfortunate nickname as "wasilla, meth capital of the country". it is indeed everywhere.

Mostly good for Medved
It is not surprising that Medved would get most of his criticism on this chapter since it is likely the only chapter in which he disagrees with the conservative perspective, and most of his correspondence presumably comes from his conservative audience. But good for him for sticking with the facts in this case even though they contradict conservative orthodoxy.

Even here though he treats the issue as one of orthodoxy to a degree. The fact that rates of abortion, teen pregnancy, and crime have been falling does not mean they will continue to fall. (Nor for that matter does his principle that it is possible to get teenagers to abstain and to not get pregnant require this). The uptick in teen pregnancy has not come out of nowhere. Most of the decline came in the 90's and has been leveling off since. And the fact that the fall in the abortion rates has leveled off suggests that it does not explain the uptick.

Having noted that it is possible for such rates of bad behavior to fall, it is still important to understand why they rose in the '80s fell fast in the '90s and largely leveled off in the '00s. At least it is important if the goal is to get these rates to fall.

Area is important
I think the area the teens are from makes a big difference in how they answer the questions too. Those in small towns are more likely to wait. Those in inner cities seldom do because of peer pressure (many times from gang memebers). The gangs are present but not as important or as large in smaller towns and so do not have as much influence on the teens' choices.

Another Good Sign:
Every summer for the last several years EVERY church in our town gets together for two weeks with their youth to repair houses for those who can't. Most of these people who can't are elderly on fixed incomes. The churches provide the materials and adults to oversee the teens who do most of the actual work. They share lunches with the people they are helping and learn about the joys of helping others as they also learn about how to do the repairs. Every year the group is larger. It makes all of us proud to see the teens coming together and doing this great work.

The only problem is that a number of people complain because they aren't on the list. And those people are the ones who expect everything given to them even though they have the ability and money to do the repairs or get them done themselves.

JP OH
WE did lower our standards;look at what's in the whitehouse!

Not all their fault!
Monkey see,Monkey do.I can't argue with you Medved,but teens will like any kid do alot of stupid things.Problem today, there are so many without the Father in the Home for guidance;parents sleep in on Sunday and leave the decision up to the child,

whether to go to church or not.Dad or Mom light up or cuss a blue streak,
popping a bud lite;open up Jack Daniels for a snort. Hanging out at bars late at nigh,leaving the kids at home watching the Hellivision with all the filth on it!

You can't even watch a decent show without some sex
material being displayed in the commercials!
Even the ratings of shows are misleading,letting the kid to think that what they show is natural
and must be okay.Schools not allowing prayer or the display of the Ten Commandments!

We must be the ones to blame for the outcome of this society,we are the one who kept our mouth shut and let all this take place.

What Age?
I am only making an educated guess here, but I would say that the comments from those who lean a bit to the left are under 45. If you had been around as long as I have, and traveled in our great nation as I have, you would be assured we have been in moral decline for years. I would say from about 1965 and hitting the high point (or low) in 1973 with Roe/Wade. When you toss out the value of human life for greed and personal convience its becomes pretty much down hill.

Moral relativism vs Moral Decay
I agree with Medved to a point- that we are not in decay. We are more endangered by moral relativism which means the definition of what is considered "morally" acceptable is expanding and expanding. Often, groups of people, fed by a constant influx of media from television, radio, and the internet, in the name of being tolerant and worse "politically correct" will accept behavior that is probably not good for us as a society. I offer no answer and no dire predictions but I do think that moral relativism causes us problems. For example, the great burden of debt we, as a nation, took on that lead to the current fiscal crisis we find ourselves in. In the Depression Era, only losers had 2nd mortgages and being a debtor was considered to be loathesome. Then over time, it became just a matter of course.

With public education, the kids have no
Kids are being systematically DUMBED DOWN by the most destructive labor union in our country's history, the nea, in order to facilitate the growth of the socialist democratic party... and if you buy into the propoganda that these sprouting morons (again, 40% graduate, and they want to send every single one of their dumb asses to college... (not to meducate them, we know they are incapable of doing that, but it sure does enhance their corrupt job security).

(obamarama... dumber than carter and more corrupt than clinton)

Hey, acorn buys the votes with their new found wealth, and uses it to buy more votes, in exchange for ignoring the facts and allowing the socialist to dismantle our country, while the school sytem (with graduation rates approaching 40%) assures they are too damn stupid to recognize they are being systematically stripped of their rights, freedom and sovereignty... but what the hell, as long as they learn to be good little mindless, spinless socialists, they are democrats dream children...

Ad onlooker.
I must take issue with a particular statement of yours. You seem to have suggested that Christianity will one day be somewhat of a theological museum piece; or, perhaps you were suggesting this of religion in general. It's a bit hard to tell. Nevertheless, for this to be true, you would have to be either clairvoyant, or have bought into Comte's "Law of Three Stages". Either way, I'd say that your prognostication is premature at best, and absurd at worst.

Further, I'm not sure when "uppity women" were being put to death in the name of the "Christian God" and having such atrocities considered as part of orthodox religion. Unless, you've taken Arthur Miller's play, "The Crucible", a bit too seriously.

Also, while it is certainly true that atrocities have been committed under Christian guises, the largest atrocities in the history of the human race haven't been committed by Christians. Then again, as you said, "In history, context is everything."

Who is saying kids are worse?
Moral decay is not judged by the behavior of children.

What is homosexual marriage?
What is euthanasia?
Crime rates?
Drug usage?
Divorce?
S & M meetings announced in the open at my local Holiday Inn. What are gay parades?
What is socialism?
What is electing a bigot to the highest office in the country? At least we used to pretend like our president wasn't a racist. That racism was evil in itself. When a contract is made to kill and infant in the womb our president wants it carried out to the finish even if the baby survives the abortion. And so-called brothers in the faith voted for him.
Where is the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ respected and allowed to be spoken freely.
I could go on all day.


People that pick at teenagers and use them as the determiners of morality in society do not have teenagers and watch too much television.

the headline for Medved's article
is telling. I mean, who actually thinks of teens as "raunchy" or "irrsopnsible"? This is why Republicans are in danger of losing their party. The worst thing you can say about teens is that they are undereducated; not crime, to be sure, but not a good thing.

I like teens, I always have. Is Medved speaking to some fringe group who think Teens are immoral, self-centered sex addicts? That's another world, one that is quickly drifing out of orbit fromthe one we live in today.

All wrong
You guys are totally going about this the wrong way! You conservatives are claiming that the morality in America is going downhill. That's very pessimistic of you. What you need to do is what Medved and so many others have done: lower your standards! Then, the world around us looks hunky-dorey!

Jack
In many ways the point you are making is a good one, but I wouldn't use the word "deviant". There were practices among the Aztecs, chinese, and Greeks that were only deviant in the context of our culture, but you can find practices now that will be considered deviant in the future, in another culture.

On day, Christianity will be as odd to the average person as the Isis mysteries are to us...yet two thousand years ago thousands of people were devoted to that religion and believed in it just as whole-heartedly. Also, we have practices now that the 2nd century Roman would consider barbaric.

We don't even have to go back that far, however, we can look at the executions of religious deviants, sexual "deviants" and Uppity women in a much more recent past, all performed in the name of the Christian God and considered goo religion.

In history, context is everything.

The Idiocy of Comparison...
...is nothing more than rationalization.

Relatively Speaking
Doomsayers have been ranting about moral declines for decades if not centuries. But try and put things in perspective. Our culture today is many times less deviant than the cultures of the past. Just look up the kind of decadence other cultures such as Ancient Rome, China, Greece, Egypt, and Native Americans indulged in. Compared to the youth of today, our culture is almost saint-like.

The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. The Qin dynasty in China practiced foot-binding and didn't even have a word in their language for rape. Even in this century alone, crime was many times more violent in the 1920s prohibition era than it has ever been today. So there needs to be a context. Anytime doomsayers start ranting, keep that in mind because more often than not those people are just out to push their agenda.

Neither are they so dumb that . . .
they will not realize that we have squandered their futures in a binge of vote buying spending.

Oh??
Would I have to walk around or through the kids with red, blue and whatever other color of gang insignia to see these kids with the T-shirts??

Ranger IQ29:
Tell THAT to the kids at Dobson High in Mesa AZ!! They wore shirts with O'Vomit's face on them that said "Hitler gave great speeches too!" and totally rejected his bilge on the stimulus. Asked better questions than the mainstream media too.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

When The Lunatic Libs Are Agreeing...
...with you, you know you've lost perspective.

However, since you're enjoying statistics so much Mike, especially ones which really don't mean squat, how do your statistics ( and infamously Communistic Sociologists )compare today's numbers with 1960??...Sorry Mike, but you needed a slap-in-the-face wake-up call...you were begging for it.

Besides, if we sit here and blow smoke up our own skirts in denial, who is left in our population to be the adults here?? Obviously, you're plumb tired of having to deal with it and looking for relief...well, this certainly isn't the answer.

Glaringly, when a country based on freedom elects the most inexperienced and unqualified candidate to ever have the audacity to run for the presidency simply because he can sell ice to an eskimo and the pigment of his skin, then we don't need any statistics to know our collective morality is circling the drain at 100 miles per hour.

Start taking your vitamins again and go have a check-up Mike, this is clearly not the time to become ill.

I Wish I Could Agree
I wish I could agree, but I think Dutch Sheets put it best in his post election letter.

"Was what happened Tuesday God’s will? I am quite confident it was not. America was offered a very clear choice between moving further toward protecting the unborn or further away; between a Supreme Court that would move toward honoring God, life and morality or away from it. The stakes couldn’t have been higher nor the cost greater. As a nation we put on blinders concerning Barak Obama’s background, associations, beliefs and practices, and set these causes back years, possibly decades.
And in doing so we took another step away from God and His plans for America, and another step toward judgment."

There are a lot of good people in these United States. People who love God and love this country. People who are upright, moral, good neighbors, and fine citizens.

Unfortunately, right now, the others are in the ascendancy in the educational realm, in the political realm, and in the cultural realm.

Part of the reason is simply their dedication. Hate for this country, its morality, its position in the world, and everything else it stands for can be a tremendous motivator.

And unfortunately, too many of us who go to church, who consider ourselves fine moral citizens have let a particular teaching cripple our ability to actively engage the culture and politics of our nation. It's called 'we're in the last days'. The Anti-Christ is coming. And things 'have to get worse'.

But how about we listen to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and do things His way and see what happens? 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Well..here's another take...
on the issue at hand....Except for a few outstanding younger folk like Eric in CO....many Americans can be described as thus by a fellow poster on another thread....

"""America is a collective of special needs children, dressed in diapers and wearing padded helmets."....

lol...cracks me up.....lol...

christianlib
"the problem as i see it is that some conservatives are so used to blaming liberals for every problem in America, and for the moral decay they think is happening, that they can't be swayed by facts."

Really? Do you actually believe what you just said? Look at our movies for instance. Hostel, about sex and torture made $47 million at the box office. Saw, a horribly bad film about unbelievably bad deaths spawned 5 sequels and possibly a 6th. Rap in today's culture screws with kids vocabularies and topics like abortion really teaches irresponsibility. The removal of Christianity from public places, such as the ten commandments, and get this, the possible removal of the Mojave National Preserve in California in 1934 by the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Gangs are everywhere and illegals and drugs are crossing the border every day. And you say that there is no moral decline in society? I'm young and I see this, why can't you?

Wobbie
Not really, but good try. Most don't even care about politics, and the ones who do are usually independent. I know since I just got out of college. Not only that but the vote was split with all of my friends, some didn't because they were undecided.

Ahh, so you want the new and hip Socialist movement huh? It's not really that hip, even under a young president. I believe the only thing 'old' is you.

what i find fascinating
is that i have been saying the same thing for a number of years. all you have to do is look at the statistics, as medved did, to see the horrible moral decline is merely a myth.

the problem as i see it is that some conservatives are so used to blaming liberals for every problem in america, and for the moral decay they think is happening, that they can't be swayed by facts.


but then many conservatives make decisions based on feelings and emotions not facts, despite their claim that it is a liberal trait.
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