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Saturday, February 16, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Few Minutes Well Spent
by Jonah Goldberg
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As for the slippery-slope caterwauling, the opposite is true. The slope toward more torture and abuse has gone up, not down, and it is today more difficult to climb than ever. According to existing law and Justice Department rulings, the practice has been proscribed for several years now - except, that is, for the thousands of U.S. servicemen who've been subjected to it by the U.S. military as part of their training.

The current debate over legislation to ban waterboarding in all circumstances stinks of political opportunism. Democrats want to claim that Republicans are "pro-torture" if they vote against the legislation. Others are hoping to advance criminal prosecutions of CIA operatives who used the techniques sparingly and with approval from both the White House and Congress, and from both parties.

I don't like waterboarding, and I hope we never use it again. I have respect for those who believe it should be banned in all circumstances. But I do not weep that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed spent somewhere between .03 and .06 seconds feeling like he was drowning for every person he allegedly helped murder on 9/11.

Then again, I think it would horrific if we used that logic to justify waterboarding. It's not a technique that should be used for punishment. Nor do I think that evidence obtained from forced confessions should be used in trial. Those are paving stones on the road to a torture state.

But, given the circumstances at the time, I think the decision to waterboard these three men was right and certainly defensible.

The editors of USA Today disagree. They say that the decision to use waterboarding "was understandable in the frenzied aftermath of the 9/11 and anthrax attacks. What's inexplicable, however, is why, after having several years to assess the matter deliberately, the Bush administration continues to resist efforts to ban waterboarding."

It's only inexplicable if you think we'll never have a "frenzied" moment like that again. Let's hope.

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Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.
 
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Goldberg speaking as an ignorant
Yes, 9/11 made and America, by America, for America in the "shop" of complete and absolute lawlessness/anarchy with the Commander in Chief it formeman. Yes, if America were still the true sovereign nation it was 52 years ago when I arrived as a legal immigrant, this ignorant man Goldberg would have no story to write like this one. Yes, George W. on top of it as Commander while 9/11 did happen he goes shooting parts of the world to pieces while still leaving the borders open for still more hoodlums to enter. Give me a break please? Yes, Imperialism never cares about its own borders, and neither pays attention to its immigration laws! Yes, America is really no more a sovereign nation but an abusive and far-reaching Empire. America's military might circles the globe and yet nobody cares about its borders other than much blabber going on now during this circus of an election. Yes, my Republican party the worst, while Ron Paul is sneered at when in reality he is the only true Conservative as measured by the USA Constitution, in a way of speech. A vote for McCain is a sure vote for WWIII, as I see it!

Torture and political realism
Another lesson from Political Realism 101: The argument about whether waterboarding is "torture" is absurd. Of course it's torture; that's why it has been used. Torture is a necessary tool of governments engaged in war, and we are surely at war with al-Qaeda and its companion groups. Torture may--although there is no necessity here--lead to useful intel, as may the threat of torture, or the expectation on the part of prisoners that torture may or will be used.

Torture is also a very old practice; we human beings are the sort of creatures that will harm or threaten harm to an enemy we have in our power. Human behavior in gangs, in clan feuds, and in wars shows this pretty conclusively. Human beings try to harm their enemies; it's what we do.

What amazes me is not that stories of torture are published, but rather that so few such stories are published. I can't believe that the only waterboarding we have done is confined to the three enemy combatants named in the column.
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