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Wednesday, September 03, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Drinking Age Myth
by John Stossel
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There's a myth in this country that the drinking age is 21. But that's only the legal age. The fact that government says you can't drink before 21 does not mean younger people don't drink.

More than 100 college presidents understand this, and now they want the minimum drinking age reconsidered.

"The 21-year-old drinking age is not working," says the Amethyst Initiative, launched by former Middlebury College President John McCardell, president of Choose Responsibility Inc.

The college leaders' statement charges that a "culture of dangerous, clandestine 'binge-drinking' -- often conducted off-campus -- has developed" and that "By choosing to use fake IDs, students make ethical compromises that erode respect for the law."

It makes the obvious point that 18-21-year-olds are "deemed capable of voting, signing contracts, serving on juries and enlisting in the military, but are told they are not mature enough to have a beer."

States started raising the drinking age to 21 in 1984, after Congress passed a law that stopped federal highway money from going to states that kept the age at 18. Curiously, the law was backed by President Reagan, a self-proclaimed advocate of federalism. Federalism presumes that we'll get better laws if states are free to compete in making public policy. Federal mandates kill useful experimentation by enacting one-size-fits-all policies.

The college presidents make a lot of sense. Forbidding things like underage drinking or smoking marijuana doesn't stop them from happening. The activity is just driven underground, where it is less subject to constructive social convention.

Of course, the Amethyst Initiative statement was angrily denounced by the usual activist groups that believe the answer to every problem is strict laws. Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) said the college presidents "have signed on to a misguided initiative that uses deliberately misleading information to confuse the public on the effectiveness of 21 law." MADD cites a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimate that the higher drinking age "reduced traffic fatalities involving drivers 18 to 20 years old by 13 percent and has saved an estimated 25,509 lives since 1975."

MADD also claims that "In most countries with lower drinking ages, intoxication is much more common among young people than in the United States."

But does the "21 Law" really saves lives or reduce intoxication? Choose Responsibility responds, "Depending on where you look, you'll find many different numbers, all attributed to 'science.' What 'science'? In fact, the statistic(s) cited are the result of a simple mathematical formula ... [that] takes 13 percent of the difference between one year's alcohol-related traffic fatalities and the next and attributes the product to the 21-year-old drinking age. Recent research has called the consistent application of this formula into question."

Even if MADD's claims are right, McCardell counters that studies also show that those students who drink do so in more dangerous ways than they might if drinking could be done in the open.

Jordan Ballor of the Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty adds: "[C]ulture has a lot to do with how people respond to newfound freedoms or possibilities. ... Where the use of alcohol is not a taboo that can become part and parcel of a young-adult 'rebellion' experience, it seems less likely that binge drinking will function as a gateway to adulthood."

I agree. We grow into adulthood, but laws like the 21-year-old drinking age presume that individuals change from child to adult at the stroke of midnight on their 21st birthdays. That's nonsense.

What about MADD's claim that intoxication is more common in countries with lower drinking ages? It's not true, says anthropology professor Dwight Heath of Brown University: "In countries where people start to drink at an early age, alcohol is not a mystical, magical thing," and they are not prone to "drink to get drunk ..." He adds that "Several years ago, a study at the University of North Carolina found that '[D]rinking with parents appears to have a protective effect on general drinking trends.' ...

"The fear that teaching kids to be responsible drinkers will only teach them to be heavy drinkers has been unfounded in Italy, Spain and other 'wine cultures.'"

Bring back federalism.

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We Should Increase the Drinking Age
I have been surprised to read a few commentaries on this site against increasing the drinking age. I would think that the libertarian leanings of many of those who frequent TownHall would oppose laws restricting the drinking age to 21. I don't think people realize how often kids get taught today about alcohol abuse. They get it in high school,they get it as part of college orientation, and if they join most national fraternities or sororities, they get it as part of their risk management program. We send our kids off to college, war, and or to work. They learn to make their own decisions and to vote. They make plenty of mistakes as they learn but we can only protect them for so long. We can not protect them from drinking or from drunks no matter what laws we contrive. Are they paying for our excesses or our fears? They will drink regardless of the law. But we can parent them, educate them, and advise them. The law should not be ignored at will so it should be written to reflect reality.

Statistics and other pesky issues
Just spent a month in the UK and Ireland, both of which, relative to the US, have lower drinking ages, families that drink with their kids, etc. All the things that should promote more responsible drinking.

They drink far more heavily than do Americans. Several studies (I checked one from the Economist, 7 July 2007) show this. And drunkenness is a concern in Ireland.

The answer is far more complex than the drinking age. I suspect the college presidents signed on to the Aemthyst initiative because it is easier than actually trying to work the issues on their own campuses.

pure fiction
it is pure fiction that drinking is legal at any age. legions of police harassing everyone they see on the streets after midnight, in hopes of striking it rich on an evil "drunk driver" who may have an alchohol level as low as .08%, or .03% if underage, while constitutional rights against self incrimination are ignored by cowardly judges who fear the madd nazis. meanwhile judges who have unilaterally repealed the bill of rights by allowing unconstitutional searches, unconstitutional roadblocks, and delicensing of those who do not meekly submit to abusive police, have no problem with misinterpreting the constitution to disallow the government from monitoring phone calls to known overseas terrorists, death punishment for child rapists, and the holding of terrorists captured on the battlefield. for every genuinely intoxicated person swept up by the roadblock nazis, there are a dozen people who are not intoxicated by any meaningful definition, but who cannot pass the draconian new definitions foisted off on the public by madd nazis with unlimited power due to the difficulty that will be encountered by any citizen who publicly opposes their tactics. if you think that having a "designated driver" is safe, try to get through a roadblock with one. not driving will not save you. the same artificially low levels apply to "public drunk" which you will be if the police nazis can trick or bully you into getting out of the car. of course, if you arent of age, they can tell you to get out of the car, and then you are publicly drunk. never mind that .03% isnt intoxicated for anyone. prohibition has been reinstated unconstitutionally, except this time they arent trying to attack the supply, but are going after the users, and extracting fortunes from innocent people.

The idiots at MADD say a lot of
things, none of which they can back up with real evidence.

The FACT is that the U.S. has the highest "legal drinking age" in the world and there is no evidence here or abroad that that has had any impact on DUI or deaths from drunk driving.

Nitpick
"... laws like the 21-year-old drinking age presume that individuals change from child to adult at the stroke of midnight on their 21st birthdays. That's nonsense."

Well, to be fair, it's nonsense no matter *what* age you pick, so it's not an argument either way.

But, I've said it under a similar column, and I'll say it again here. MADD has morphed into just another political power grabber. I no longer give them credence for anything they say.

Drinking age and music
The drinking age being set at 21 is what makes today's music so bad.

When the age was 18, there were little road houses dotting the land. Any building large enough to hold a bar and a dance floor would be open for business. These road houses needed bands. And, in order to hone their craft, bands need some place to play in front of people. This is the "Minor Leagues" of the music business.

When the drinking age was raised to 21, these road houses could no longer make money because about 75% (my estimate) of their clientèle could no longer drink.

SO, lowering the drinking age will improve the music you hear. Isn't that incentive enough?

1984
Some background on the National Minimum Drinking Age Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_ Act

Many on both sides of the aisle agree that the current law is too restrictive and frankly silly.

The debate shouldn't
be whether or not the drinking age should be lowered (though I favor lowering it), it should be whether defacto federal laws can be forced on the states by threat of withholding highway funds. What bothers me most is the unbridled arrogance of the faceless and unelected bureaucrats who believe they are wiser than our state legislators. But, it's a problem of the states' own making, because they have rolled over to this outrage. I would love it if at the next governors conference a resolution was passed that henceforth ALL STATES will tell the feds to "KEEP YOUR FRIGGIN' HIGHWAY FUNDS." Then, when the interstate highway system crumbles, let congress deal with the wrath of the people.

agree with reservations
I completely agree with you Mr. Stossel on the premise(s) of your argument; culture, federalism, hypocrisy of age in duty, etc. However, as the husband of an educator I know that the 21 law has been in place too long for 18 year olds to behave rationally with alcohol as well. It might well be different if that 18 year old is off at college but what about the dropout that hangs out with the 15 year old neighborhood kids or the 18 year old still in high school that can hook up the younger kids for a few bucks of gas money? I know that extra responsibility comes with alcohol and I'm not sure that some of these kids have the maturity to be responsible with it like a college student or member of the armed forces.
However, I'd still vote to lower the age.

Curmudgeon
Hey Curmudgeon, good points but don't forget about some states that have a "DUI Less Safe" where you can still get a DUI for not even blowing a 0.08. If you were to hydroplane into a ditch and an officer got you to blow and you blow a 0.03 for instance, you can still get a DUI charge. I've personally worked cases that involved a verdicts of not guily of DUI but a guilty count of Less Safe which resulted in basically the same sentencing. It's just a tool for the Solicitors to use when they know they will fall short of a true DUI conviction, i.e. $$$.

Why is it
That Sarah Palins 17 year old pregnant daughter is a CHILD because she got pregnant, but would be a Mature Responsible Adult if she got drunk?

DDAMM
Drunk Drivers Against Madd Mothers - It's time to counter these feminazis.
I was raised the "Mediterranean" way, our parents allowed us kids to drink wine or beer with our meals and no one turned out to be a "Drunk", especially in a "Binge" sense. When I attended college in the US I was appalled at the imature peers going on "Binges", having had utter contempt for these people striving so hard to be "Cool", actually I always thought hippies to be the dumbest people on earth, and now these idiots are in charge of our politics, education and bureaucracies.
It's well past the time America should grow up!

Peer Pressure Is More Effective
When I was a student in Spain, many of my American classmates were excited because they could buy alcohol even though they were under twenty-one. A few of them got drunk and behaved as drunks often do. When the Spanish students saw how they were behaving, peer pressure kicked in and within a week we had all adapted to the Spanish culture of drinking. Peer pressure to drink responsibly is much more effective than either a state or federal law.

sad fact
Drunks NEED their booze. It would be fine if they simply got drunk and didn't bother or hurt anyone else. Let's all be libertarian about it.

However, they don't. They are a huge burden on society and wreak havoc in numerous ways. So we have laws limiting it in an effort to minimize that damage.

I agree states should be the only ones setting age laws.

That, however, doesn't mean it's a good idea turning out 18 y/o's who can drink. Especially as the typical 18 y/o today is about 14 developmentally (thanks to tv, computers, internet, busy 2 income households, etc)

Any of you promoting a return to age 18 for the drinking age ever try to TALK to a typical 18 y/o? They're children.

Like many things in our society, failing to simply enforce laws is the problem. It's considered unhip and out of fashion.


Good to see...
... that more people are signing onto the common sense view on the drinking age (and taking the Feds to task for their imperialistic rules tying highway funding to the issue).
Better watch out, though, Stossel, because now you'll come under attack from the fascist cult group known as MADD.


Pepe
Yeah, but as MrGrabber rightly points out, their peers are as likely to be as immature as they are.

Good points, Mr. Grabber. I agree completely. The drinking age nonsense misses the point entirely in favor of abdicating adult responsibility.

We ask so little of our young; so little is required of them. We are keeping them adolescents way past the time for maturity.

Let's compromise
and agree that if an 18 year old is too young to drink, he's also too young to risk his life by joining the military. Don't allow anyone younger than 21 to sign up.

Unfortunate
I have a lot of sympathy for the view of the college professors who are trying to deal with the specific problems they face of alcohol being pushed underground on their campuses. I would like to see good arguments put forward supporting their positions (and find it somewhat unfortunate that their arguments are not being widely published while attacks on them are).

But Stossel brings his usual simplemindedness to the debate, which is not exactly helpful. Allowing states to pick the age of the alcohol cutoff does nothing to change the sense of forbidden fruit to alcohol, nor does it affect most families abilities to introduce their children to alcohol in a responsible way.

Against fairly convincing data that the move to 21 has been effective at reducing car accidents, Stossel is reduced to general handraising that maybe it can be explained away so that studies can never show anything. But that comes off as the handwaving of someone embarassed that the actual studies don't say what he (and I for that matter) wish they said.

The idea that we should never have age limits because they suggest some magic change in people makes Stossel look like a simpleton. And his snide comment that people who support the 21 cut off don't realize that people under 21 get alcohol illegally makes him look like a simpleton who doesn't realize that people under 18 do the same, and did so more easily when the age limit was 18.

I am still hoping to see a good defense of lowering the drinking age. Unfortunately this was not it.

MrBannanaGrabber/Boz
Some 18 year olds act like children AND it is because parents and society in general treat them like children.

If you give them responsibilities, hold them accountable, and treat them like adults they will act like adults.

I think it is funny (ironic) that when this nation was founded there were no "drinking laws" and people got married and started families when they were 14 and 15 on the average.

And besides, no one has yet offfered any kind of real evidence that these laws have accomplished anything.

Bunnyman
"They drink far more heavily than do Americans. Several studies (I checked one from the Economist, 7 July 2007) show this."

I checked the Economist archives from 3 July 2007 to 11 July 2007. I searched "drinking," "drink," "alcohol," "age," etc. I find no such article. Can you give me more info on the article you reference?

The begining of contempt...
for the law is the only palpable effect of the arbitrary drinking age. I began drinking in a family gathering setting, being allowed a single glass of 'thin wine' -wine that had been mixed 50-50 with water- when I was twelve. It was just part of growing up; anyone pretending to be drunk was simply pulled to one side and told to quit acting like an a55. They were also skipped over very publicly on the next ocassion wine was served. In the intervening 50 years I've been around, I can count the number of times either I or my siblings have been drunk or driven that way without removing my shoes. I have a modest 30-bottle wine cooler that I keep stocked, and my children have the same regard for drinking in moderation. But in the eyes of MADD-nazis, I am a criminal. Actually, I'm simply contemptuous of this foolish law and the weak-kneed puppets who enacted it.

Vic
"If you give them responsibilities, hold them accountable, and treat them like adults they will act like adults."

Couldn't agree with you more. The problem is, we don't do ANY of those.

I'm more likely to run into a 19 year old riding his skateboard who's already gotten his girlfriend pregnant and wants her to get an abortion than I am one who impresses me with his depth.

They're simply the exception and not the rule.

DAVE, thuimbs up!
To all the pro-Temperance NAZIs, understand one thing. Prohibition DOESN'T WORK! Not then, not now, not at any age. Not for alcohol, not for drugs, never! It fosters disrepect for the law and funds organized crime and now terrorists.

When someone causes harm to another when drinking, punish them for the harm! Do not punish all drinkers for the harm done by a few!

Vic
By "we" I am referring to us as a society.

I am aware of many parents who try as best that they can to instill in their children a sense of responsibility , but they do so counterculturally.

This idea of lowering the drinking age as a palliative to "binge drinking" is another typical exercise in missing the forest for the trees. The fact that it comes from the supposed gatekeepers of the intellectual development of the young makes it even more troubling.

As for statistics
We can in this case quote George Bernard Shaw (for those who are offended by my quoting one of Soviet Union's "useful morons", you're welcome to stay offended)--"there are three kinds of falsehoods: lies, d@mn lies and statistics!"

Drinking age
While I agree with the professors that the drinking age of 21 is just plain silly, their ridiculous logic is, as usual (for professors) just bass ackwards.

Professors claim that just because 18 - 20 year olds "drink anyway", the age should be lowered. That is a RIDICULOUS argument on its face.

Firstly, consider child molestation. Sick, deranged people will molest children regardless of whether there are laws banning it. According to the "professors'" argument, we should just make child molestation legal. Insanity!

Secondly, so we lower the age to 18. What about the 15-17 year olds who would drink anyhow? Does that mean that next year we should lower it to 15? Then 12? Then 9?

No, the drinking age should be lowered to 18 because it just makes sense. How can you send someone to war, let them buy cigarettes, make them eligible for the death penalty, allow them to enter into contracts, and vote, and yet prohibit them from drinking a beer?

Forget the "they'll do it anyway" argument. That argument can be used to legalise ANYTHING!

Eighteen is an Adult
Old enough to die for your country, old enough to have a beer with your unit.

I am a total abstainer, from a family of alcoholics. The big distinction between me and my family is their distrust of authority, I think contributed to by ridiculous drinking laws.

The biggest influence on the decision to use alcohol is your family, not any laws that may exist. Watching my otherwise intelligent family members turn into blithering idiots convinced me to avoid the bottle.

I Agree
As an American who went to college in BC, Canada, where the legal drinking age is 19, I can say the attitude is very different from Americans. Because we could drink legally and publicly, there was no sneaking around or binging. I'm sure it still happens, but I was amazed that drinking was no big deal.

Europe
Europe has lower drinking age laws than the United States, but just as much trouble with binge drinking by young people. The problem is not the drinking age, but with society in general. Our kids need better role models than they have today, better than what Hollywood, modern sports, or the liberal elite are offering. Get the Bible back into our schools and let our children learn about real role models.

beowulfe
The argument of the college presidents does not seem to be that just because they do it anyway it should be legal. It is that because it is illegal they do it in ways that are more harmful than they would if it was legal.

This is not unreasonable as far as the college age population goes. The drinking age changed after my first year in college. The result was that the comparatively benign university sponsored parties disappeared, and drinking went to less supervised parties, often off campus which meant people had to drive home rather than stumble home as they did from the university sponsored parties.

It does not appear that the benefit for college students is outweighed by the harm in general though. But the argument the University professors are making is not really what you attribute to them.

An Indie who can't agree more
This makes sense! Right on target and the kind of consistent approach from conservatives which will get the nation's attention again.

Everybody is Missing the Point!
The real issue is not what the legal drinking age should be. The issue is who is empowered to determine what the drinking age should be -- unelected federal bureaucrats or your state legislature?

Raise BOTH to 25 NOW!!!!!
Drinking AND voting age should be 25. It's a lot easier to spot an underage drinker with a higher drinking age still within reason. As for voting, I don't want ANY trust fund liberal college weenies voting regardless of party. I want them seeing their incomes RAPED by the IRS for about 4 years before they can vote.

Then, if they have learned that money doesn't sprout from an ATM courtesy of Daddy's fund and have to EARN it they may not vote for every Socialist scrote that runs for office.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

College Presidents
College Presidents claim that underage drinking is a HUGE problem that would be alleviated if the drinking age was lowered to 18. Well, YEAH! Then it wouldn't be UNDERAGE drinking anymore. College Presidents are notorious for not wanting to take any responsibility for making and enforcing rules - whether they are in line with the law of the land or not. "They're gonna do it anyway, might as well make it legal so we don't have a problem."

I was in college back when the drinking age in MI was 18. There was a lot of out-of-control drinking going on - and it was legal! But it wasn't going on ON CAMPUS because my college had very strict, ENFORCED rules about NO drinking on campus. The big State universities, however, had a HUGE problem with drinking on campus because they had no RULES!!!! Back then the Presidents cried, "How can we enforce a rule against drinking on campus when it's LEGAL out in the community???" Give me a BREAK! So now that it's illegal to drink under 21, the universities STILL won't make rules against it because "they're unnecessary! After all, underage drinking is ILLEGAL."

Kids Need Laws to Protect Them
Hey John, why don't we also legalize Heroin use at age 18? When I was a stupid and curious college kid I would have done heroin, too, had it been legal.
Sometimes we need to protect kids from their bad judgement due to lack of life experience. Sure, some of them will break the law and drink underage but many won't because it is illegal to drink before age 21.
Getting blotted on booze damages their still developing brains.
College Presidents who want the drinking age lowered don't really care about the kids. They only care about reducing their legal liability for the kids.
They are moral imbeciles who are shirking their responsiblity to protect stupid kids agsinst the severe consequences of their actions.
To use your reasoning journalists don't need the 1st amendment either to protect them.
How about a society with no laws? I know you Libertarians think that would be cool but it's not at all realistic given the natural human tendency to act in the most depraved selfish manner possible.
By the way, every Libertarian I have ever known ended their life very badly!

No nickname, no good argument
18 yo's are not 'children'. In the eyes of the law they are adults.

My answer is still... raise the DRIVING age to 21 and drop the drinking age back down to 18. Let these young adults get 3 years of drinking as much as they want. I bet their attitudes change by the time they are 21 and they'll have learned that heavy drinking doesn't really mix well with a whole slew of activities. Driving included.

I know, we'll use the Heinline solution
We'll put themin barrels and feed them through the bung hole until their 21 then take them out.

States' rights vs. Big Brother fed govt
Does the federal government have the constitutional authority to force states to raise the drinking age, lower the BAC level for DUIs or lower the speed limits?

I don't have a nickname, don't kid yourself. I knew very few teetotalers in college under the age-21 limit. It's no deterrent to underage drinking. Besides, heroin use is illegal at any age so your analogy is flawed.

The under-21 prohibition and artificially low .08 BAC are fine money generators for government entities, though. It's unfortunate that bad laws are ruining the lives of so many.

In Wisconsin
growing up I think beer was legal at 18 in Dane County (Univ of Wis) since national prohibition (first 3.2, then any malt beverage). I don't recall it caused any particular problem, though from time to time there would be complaints about under 21s driving from Milwaukee to Madison and then driving back drunk. Don't know how much of a problem that really was though. I don't think UW had any problem with 18 for beer, the Rathskeller in the Union has a storied history in campus lore.

HS teacher's thoughts...
I agree that drinking to get drunk is a huge problem on college campuses and elsewhere, however, I do not believe the age should be lowered to 18. As a HS teacher that teaches many 18yr olds, I would shudder to think that my 18yr olds would now be able to legally attain alcohol while still in the company of 14,15,16, and 17yr olds. Granted there is plenty of alcohol abuse in high school as well, but lowering the age would create more of a challenge to high schools and their families. Lowering the drinking age to 19 would be a good compromise. Also, for people who think that European teenagers can "handle" their alcohol better...yall need to read the headlines more. Yes there are less alcohol related vehicle deaths, they drive less, but their are more hospital visits due to over-intoxication...http://alcohol-statistics-in-europe.own69.com/alcohol_in_teens/

Changing the Drinking Age Abruptly
Changing the drinking age abruptly after having it in place for so long would be like taking a lid off a pressure cooker. I think we should lower the drinking age gradually, by one year every five years, until the minimum drinking age is zero. As John Stossel points out, "wine cultures" don't have a big problem with alcoholism or binge drinking. And the kids aren't fascinated with it, because they could have it all along.

Stossel is right
The current drinking age is pure hogwash. I would rather children be able to first drink in front of their parents, instead of going to "illegal" parties. No one wants drunk drivers, period. My thoughts about MADD is that it has just become a new age Temperance Union.

The Economist archive
My bad--Jun 7, not jul 7...typo
here's the link, but it is premium
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9325487

here is a free link, that is decent link to a WHO report 2004. It lists many country by country comparisons.
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_stat us_report_2004_overview.pdf


Stossel is not right
I went through this in the 1970s when certain states, MASS. for example lowered the drinking age to 18. I was attending college there and suddenly we were out of the closet. At that time everyone pushed for it for similar reasons. After a few years the experimenting States pushed it back to 21.

MADD
MADD is one of the most control freak lobby groups in US. It is part of the destruction of justice by doing things like pressuring DA's to prosecute whether or not any evidence thus costing anyone to pay big money whether guilty or not. I could go on but they have bought the media and anyone else in their way. Evil! I rarely drink but they could drive me to drink.

Feh! I've already posted about this...
--
...on another Townhall thread. I'm a vintner's grandson; I grew up as grunt labor growing wine grapes and making dago red. Like another poster above here, I was taking a glass of wine with Sunday dinner before I was out of the 5th Grade, and I lived in an "open bottle" household.

(( I remember going into the bottom kitchen cabinet whenever needed to get a capful of Canadian Club as numbing mouthwash when I was cutting my 6-year molars. To this day, I still can't stand the taste of that or any other whiskey; it's indelibly imprinted upon my psyche as "medicine," and I loathe it. ))

I went to college in Pennsylvania, where bottled booze is sold in the State Stores, and the drinking age was never lowered to 18. Nonetheless, I could walk into any such store and walk out with whatever wine or brandy I desired from the day I began my freshman year (at age 17). I've always looked older than my calendar age.

But having grown up in an Italian household with none of this "Amerigan'" crap about total abstinence in adolescence (or childhood), I didn't much indulge. Didn't feel the need.

And - damn them! - the college refectory wouldn't let you BYOB even for Sunday dinner.

Barbarians.

I pretty much never overindulged, either. I got plastered only twice in college, on my first and second encounters with beer (which, if you're not experienced with it - and I wasn't - can sneak up on you).

My personal and professional experience (with substance-abusing patients) closely harmonizes with Dr. Heath's observations above.

Positive and responsible en familie experience with alcoholic beverages "innoculates" the youngster against drunkenness.

Those who oppose lowering the legal drinking age do so for emotional, not rational reasons.

And therefore to hell with them.

--

Raise both to 25 but
then let them show a stamp that they voted and go to the nearest bar for a half price shot!! After voting for HALF of the choices out there you'll WANT a belt.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Missing the Point
I find it amazing but sad that over 100 College Presidents would rather abdicate their profession as educators to the government than develop programs aimed at helping young people understand the present and potential long term dangers of drinking. It makes as much sense as granting amnesty to illegals because we aren't capable of dealing with the appropriate and legal form of immigration. I don't get it.

SJ Doc is right:
The debate really is about states' rights, not the legal age to buy alcohol, and although the secondary issue is really a tempest in a teapot, it is a very emotional and politically sexy issue, so it will get the attention away from the real one.

That being the case, I will point out that from the age of 2 (two. not a typo.) I liked drinking beer. Often at home, or at the end of a work day when my dad would take me with him, the evening was spent at his buddies' houses drinking beer and shooting the [bull] for an hour or two. I have always liked the taste of beer, and always drank out of dad's beer can until I was about 8, when he started making me get my own. At home the only rule was that if there were only a couple cans left, let him know, so he could go get more. (And NEVER drink the last can!)

When I got to junior high and high school, I was mystified by the enthusiasm that the other students had for going out to "keggers" on the weekends and getting blitzed. When one of my friends asked why I was such a homebody, I said that I had no interest in going to parties like that. I explained that I didn't like the loud music, and if I wanted beer, I could get it at home. It was no big deal for me. He and all the others who heard this explanation sat and stared at me with expressions of awe and wonder, which at the time I totally failed to understand....

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Needless to say, I never got into [that kind of] trouble. Alcohol was no enticement to me to go to parties just to get stupid. I'm 35 years old now, still enjoy the flavor of beer, to the extent that I brew my own at home and try all kinds of recipies, and have never even considered driving a motor vehicle after drinking even a swallow of anything with alcohol in it. (even cough syrup.) I do not drink to excess (usually) and have never had any legal troubles of any kind.

As far as I am concerned, the criterion for a person to be legally allowed to consume alcohol is: "I want it."
In most households with reasonably good parents, I seriously doubt there will be problems. (in the long run. In the short run, kids will likely run amok, like anyone who's been repressed and finds himself suddenly free)

MADD is wrong
The statistics on whether a higher drinking age reduces fatalities are debatable, but irrelevant. What if stats show that a drinking age of 25 reduces fatalities? Should we raise the age to 25? How about 30 or 40? How about prohibition? That may save lives. We tried that - it doesn't work. The roads would be safer if we banned cars, but that isn't a reason to do so. There is no rational or fair reason to forbid alcohol to consenting adults who may fight and die for our country.

Get your facts straight.
Stossel wrote "The fact that government says you can't drink before 21 does not mean younger people don't drink."
If you want to be a curmudgeon, you ought to get your facts straight. Laws restrict the sale of alcohol to minors and consumption in public. I never heard of a law that says an under-21 person may not drink alcohol.

Some Information -

The human brain is not fully developed until the ages of 21-23. Allowing people to use mind and mood altering drugs that have been proven to alter brain development especially during adolescents is DANGEROUS! Alcohol is a drug and one of the only two drugs that can actually KILL YOU from their DETOX if you’re dependent - benzodiazepines is the other. IF children were shown responsible habits and moderation in all areas of life that would be ideal but it’s not the case- Why do we care about this topic of access to alcohol so much? What is the societal risk if people are not taught how to eat in moderation? If someone eats 5 hamburgers no one really cares because this compulsion does not heightening the chances of others potentially being killed because someone drove after a food binge. The same principal can be applied to those who deal with abusive gambling, sex addiction, hoarding, these are the same disease within the brain- they just take a different shape. Alcohol/Drug abuse is different because it does alter the functioning of the brain impairing judgment, problem solving, and reflexes, putting everyone in danger when the drunk person drives. A wish: people who’s brains are not fully formed won't be expected to vote, pick a major in college or go to war. Alas I’m a realist and this certainly won’t happen. A hope: at a minimum we'll demonstrate moderation in all areas of life to our children and allow their brains to fully form before they have open access to substances that negatively effects brain development - This will allow the legal 18 year old high school student voter to cast a ballot with the best and healthiest brain they can possibly have. It will not allow the 18 yr old high school student voter who is legally impaired with a damaged brain due to regular early alcohol use that's still not fully developed to cast a ballot - If it keeps one person alive or healthy the worth can’t be measured.


Underage drinking not working...........
I agree and disagree on this subject, first what I agree on;
Prohibition does not work any where, HS or College.
College students should be allowed to consume alcohol on campus, in their dorms, at bars and in public.
The restriction, to low power drinks are unreal and dumb. Beer is more consuming than Ale or spirits and does more harm. Beer showed be 28% like an ale or EU Beer.
Now what I disagree with;
Lack of responsiblity for drinking,
Colleges that allow it yet does little to help prevent alcoholics.
Being able to attend a college after frunking out one semester,
Cleaning up after them;
DUI's that get turned into a fine and yellow plate (Ohio DUI get yellow plates to drive with)
Being able to complete your college stay after demolishing a town while drunk;
Being let loose from a jail early because our a student.
Being gevin extra credit or time for missed assignments while drunk or detained.
Being told it is okay and everyone does it.

I am an Alcoholic, who quit on his own accord. I was luck and no outsider, suffered for it but me and my family.
Drinking is not a right of passage or age. It is a responseblity and a prevelidge, like driving used to be.

DANGER OF DRINKING
IS THERE A DOUBLE STANDARD IN OUR SOCIETY????
SMOKING AND THE CAMPAIGNS AGAINST TOBACCO COMPANIES BROUGHT POSITIVE CHANGES, I DON'T SMOKE SO I WELCOMED ALL THE NEW RULES...I'VE YET TO KNOW OF ANY FRIENDS WITH RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS DUE TO DIRECT OR SECOND HAND SMOKING HOWEVER I'VE KNOWN OF 4 DYING FROM LIVER FAILURE AND 3 TRAFFIC DEATHS DUE TO DRINKING...NO WARNINGS ON ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, TONS OF COMMERCIALS AND SPRING BREAK IS MOSTLY SPONSORED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES..TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SPORT EVENTS BRAWLS, ETC.CREATED BY DRUNKS AND WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON HOW OLD IS OK INSTEAD OF CONTROLLING AN INDUSTRY THAT'S OUT OF CONTROL

Responsible Drinking
I live in a college area. (USC) Years ago the USC admininstration in their wisdom banned alcohol from fraternity row and then bragged about it. As a consequence frat parties were pushed into the surrounding neighborhood. We now have large bands of students careening from party to party into the wee hours. (The weekend parties begin on Wednesdays)

Tragically and recently one of these offensive inebriates was attacked and stabbed to death by an offended neighbor who just happened to be a gang member.

Alcohol at any age diminishes reason however it is totally irresponsible and hypocritical for USC University administration to ban alcohol from the "ROW" and ignore the consequential problem in the adjacent (formerly peaceful) neighborhood.

Not banning alchohol but encouraging responsible drinking is the solution.

This nation should have learned that lesson from the prohibition era fiasco but evidently we didn't.
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