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Thursday, April 23, 2009
Cliff May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Shock Therapy
by Cliff May
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Former Justice Department attorney David Rivkin has pointed out that the EITs described in the memos had been adapted from a U.S. military training program "used for years on thousands of American service members with the full knowledge of Congress." That meant also that there was a large body of information on which to draw regarding both the effectiveness and the physical/psychological impact of the techniques.

What's more, extraordinary measures were taken to protect even the vilest subjects. Al-Qaeda terrorist Abu Zubaydah was slammed against only a flexible wall, with cushioning around his neck to prevent neck injury. In the end, he provided the intelligence used to capture KSM who in turn "yielded critical information" -- according to one of the released memos -- that helped foil additional terrorist plots including a "Second Wave" with Los Angeles as the target.

Terrorists are not criminal defendants with a "right to remain silent." They are not prisoners of war obligated only to recite only name, rank and serial number. They are "not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention." Those are the words of Eric Holder, Obama's Attorney General (on CNN, January 2002) who added that had Mohamed Atta "survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not."

Reasonable people ought to be able to reach consensus on a few key points: Harsh interrogation methods should be used only as a last resort. They should never be used for revenge, punishment or to force confessions. There should be no torture -- no hot pokers through the eyes, no pulling fingernails out with pliers. But a few nights of sleep deprivation? A few weeks of boredom? Scaring with caterpillars? Such techniques inflict "stress and duress" but they hardly "shock the conscience" -- especially when weighed against what ought to be the much more shocking prospect of letting hundreds, perhaps thousands, of innocent men, women and children be slaughtered.

By all means, let's have a decent respect for the opinions of others. But let's not sacrifice a single American life to score public relations points in the cafes of Europe. Nor should we delude ourselves into believing that kinder, gentler American interrogations will prevent otherwise peace-loving Muslims from signing up to suicide-bomb kindergartens and saw off the heads of captured infidels.

We should fight this war in as civilized a manner as possible -- understanding that this is a war against an enemy who is utterly ruthless and unscrupulous and who should not be permitted to prevail anytime, anywhere.

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Clifford D. May is the President of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

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Bush must be a sadist?!
The raging debate centers around two issues:
Did the enhanced questioning constitute a torture, and whether this type of questioning worked. The first is a matter of debate between two differing points of view, which have polarized the two sides as no other issue, not even the matter of abortion.

With respect to the effectiveness of such questioning, that is a matter of cold facts. It either provided us with additional useful information or it didn't. Though there is a great deal of speculation, suggesting that such methods produced nothing, are useless, or even counterproductive, the cold facts indicate that there was indeed a lot of actionable intelligence gained that way.

If these methods were not expected to produce anything of value, than, the people involved were not trying to save us from further carnage, but rather sought some sort of sadistic retribution against the terrorists. In other words, the right, and especially anyone associated with GWB must not be allowed the slightest benefit of doubt - they are sadists.

To err is human. In case of national security I would expect that our government would choose to err on the side of safety. To have acted otherwise would have been irresponsible in the extreme.

Neil
Your way of thinking dooms you, which I personally feel you have every right to do. Leaders of groups of people (a nation of 300+ millions) need to avert danger for their constituents. Morality and international agreements don't supersede the right of a leader to safeguard those who give him his office and trust him with their lives. Obviously you are dead wrong. You can’t fight a man with a deadly intent with humane compassion because YOU are dead! What’s so hard to understand about that? You can go ahead and scream your hate for the Bush administration, and come up with all kinds of theorems, but in practice, I am glad that it was not one of you (even if you appear to represent the majority), who made decisions over me and my family’s life these past seven years.
Your last paragraphs, make you the epitome of a traitor. Airing "dirty laundry" makes for a superpower? Where? In the land of Oz, not in the real world! Get your head out of where-ever you stuck it, and smell reality!
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