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Friday, April 17, 2009
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Sting, in Four Parts
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- Franklin Roosevelt gave us the New Deal. John Kennedy gave us the New Frontier. In a major domestic policy address at Georgetown University this week, Barack Obama promised -- eight times -- a "New Foundation." For those too thick to have noticed this proclamation of a new era in American history, the White House Web site helpfully titled its speech excerpts "A New Foundation."

As it happens, Obama is not the first to try this slogan. President Carter peppered his 1979 State of the Union address with five "New Foundations" (and eight more just naked "foundations"). Like most of Carter's endeavors, this one failed, perhaps because (as I recall it being said at the time) it sounded like the introduction of a new kind of undergarment.

Undaunted, Obama offered his New Foundation speech as the complete, contextual, canonical text for the domestic revolution he aims to enact. It had everything we have come to expect from Obama:

The Whopper: The boast that he had "identified $2 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade." It takes audacity to repeat this after it had been so widely exposed as transparently phony. Most of this $2 trillion is conjured up by refraining from spending $180 billion a year for 10 more years of surges in Iraq. Hell, why not make the "deficit reductions" $10 trillion -- the extra $8 trillion coming from refraining from repeating the $787 billion stimulus package annually through 2019.

The Puzzler: He further boasted of his frugality by saying that his budget would reduce domestic discretionary spending as share of GDP to the lowest level ever recorded. Amazing. Squeezing discretionary domestic spending at a time of hugely expanding budgets is merely the baleful residue of out-of-control entitlements and debt service, which will increase astronomically under Obama. To claim these as achievements in fiscal responsibility is testament not to Obama's frugality but to his brazenness.

The Non Sequitur: "To make sure such a crisis (as we have today) never happens again," Obama proposes his radical health care, energy and education reforms, the central pillars of his social democratic agenda. But Obama's own words contradict this assertion. Notes The Washington Post: "But as his admirable summation of recent history made clear, these pursuits have little to do with the economic crisis, and they are not the key to economic recovery." Obama rarely fails to repeat this false connection. A crisis -- and the public's resulting pliability to liberal social engineering -- is a terrible thing to waste.

The Swindle: The Obama administration is spending money like none other in peacetime history. Obama is smart. He knows this is fiscally unsustainable. He has let it be known privately and publicly that he intends to cure the imbalance with entitlement reform.

An excellent strategy. If it takes throwing nearly $1 trillion of "porky" (to quote Sen. Charles Schumer) stimulus spending to soften up a Democratic Congress and make it amenable to real entitlement reform, then fine. Reforming Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid would save tens of trillions of dollars, and make the current money-from-helicopters spending almost trivial by comparison.

In the New Foundation speech, Obama correctly (again) identifies the skyrocketing cost of Medicare and Medicaid as the key fiscal problem. But then he claims that Medicaid and Medicare reform is the same as his health care reform, fatuously citing as his authority a one-day meeting of hand-picked interested parties at his "Fiscal Responsibility Summit."

Here's the problem. The heart of Obama's health care reform is universality. Covering more people costs more money. That is why Obama's budget sets aside an extra $634 billion in health care spending, a down payment on an estimated additional spending of $1 trillion. How does the administration curtail the Medicare and Medicaid entitlement by adding yet another (now universal) health care entitlement that its own estimate acknowledges increases costs by about $1 trillion?

Which is why in his March 24 news conference, Obama could not explain how -- when the near-term stimulative spending is over and his ambitious domestic priorities kick in, promising sustained prosperity and deficit reduction -- the deficits at the end of the coming decade are rising, not falling. The Congressional Budget Office has deficits increasing in the last seven years of the decade from an already unsustainable $672 billion annually to $1.2 trillion by 2019.

This is the sand on which the new foundation is constructed. Obama has the magic to make words mean almost anything. Numbers are more resistant to his charms.

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Charles Krauthammer is a 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner, 1984 National Magazine Award winner, and a columnist for The Washington Post since 1985.

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A New Hope was taken
already by George Lucas (Star Wars, Episode 4), so the President had to recycle President Carter's term. But then again, isn't this already Carter's second term? I'm waiting for the malaise to set in.....

Charles
Once again, cogent, concise and in these times refreshingly logical.

Responsible?
When the sand shifts and the country is in depression or a rampant inflationary decade the main stream media will be mainly responsible for lying and refusing to do their job of holding this administration responsible.
Perhaps the reason Obama says he changed his mind about gun control is he knows this is not sustainable. The freeloaders he has made promises to will not be as civil as armed conservatives usually are. He will need us to help protect the politicians from the angry, hungry, and demanding mobs who voted for him when they realize he lied to them.

In eight years there will be a new Rep
President. He will work for a dollar a year and his first official act will be to fire the CEO's of all the unions.

He will then ask Congress for a new name for Bankruptcy. It will be decided that A Fresh Start would be good.

The Unionized States will then file for A Fresh Start. The money printing machinery at the US Treasury will be impounded and Fort Knox will have a garage sale.


ALERT! ALERT!
AP-washington. Homeland security announced that it had taken Pesident Barak Hussien Obama into custody for being a right wing terroist. "This individual has stated that he does not support gay marriage in previous statemants" a department spokepersons stated to reporters. "we have therefore taken this terrorist suspect into custody for questioning' The agencey is responsible for the saftey of american citizens...When asked why they would suspect the President. The response was "We must protect the U.S.A. from these right wing nuts-who want to destroy our Government" "
This man has publiclally stated that he did not believe in same sex marraige" We reconize what a threat to the U.S.A. he represents...The head of homeland securiety did not identify what dungeon the President was not being tortured in...details to follow...AP Washington bureau...Mark

It makes sense Charles if...
If he wanted to take America down, he would do exactly what he is doing - and rational people scratch their heads wondering why he's doing it.

Parnoid or observant? Time will tell, because no one seem to be able to stop him and his cronies in both parties.

The Sting in Four Parts
Another great and timely "Reality Check"! Can "1984" be far away?
Al
Lake Suzy, FL

again, you hit the mark!
Good analysis! Obama's numerical "sleight of hand" is obvious to anyone interested in the facts!

A NEW FOUNDATION?
Scrub our old Foundation? Scrub our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our Declaration of Independence?
Is this the 'CHANGE' the majority of voters wanted and voted for?
Forget the 'labels', left-right, liberal-conservative, black-white-yellow-red, rich-poor and elite-common.
We the People are AMERICANS.
We are AMERICANS BECAUSE of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. America is our 'Homeland', it is NOT owned by politicians or our government.
Yet politicians in our government are already disregarding the Foundation of our Country. THEY ARE NOT AMERICANS FIRST. They are a group of people, with NO loyalty to our Country or We the People. 'Leaders', pretending to be Americans, serving our Nation, with just 'One' agenda, their insatiable hunger for Power and Control OVER America and Americans. They DO NOT stand for our Country or our 'Homeland', they stand Alone and only for themselves.




New Foundation
I thought New Foundation is what old ladies put on their faces to cover up their wrinkles.

Gaming
Prez Obama talks about interests gaming the system for their favor. All the while he intends to change the system for his ideals or the liberalists ideals. Is this gaming the system or what? These changes are only focused for a socialistic agenda.

New Foundation
I wonder if he and Michelle sit around in the evening laughing until they tear up, wondering how many people he "fooled" today. If people would only listen to what he is saying instead of how he smiles and says it. Can someone tell me what the real goal is here? I heard his frightening words from the beginning, not many did.

NEW FOUNDATION
I couldn't have stated my position any better than Angler's Reward from OH....right on. A sad state of affairs indeed, but we are also seeing Bible Prophecy fulfilled on a daily basis.

Obama MUST Be Stopped!
The Socialist Agenda is unacceptable and it must be stopped before it destroys our Country!

2010 MUST be the beginning of a NEW Conservative Revolution. We can Defeat Obama and his Socialist Manifesto in 2012 when we send him packing back to the streets of Chicago where he belongs!

Joel blah blah Liber
This isn't France.

Mr. STEELE..ARE YOU READING THIS?????
Mr. Krauthammer lays bare our newly annointed king's false promise and lies. Why can't you? The Rebuplican party has been a closure failure the last eight years...which is why I have not contributed one thin dime to you bs, self-centered pork spending bastards. If you want your core back, standup and act like a conservative. Structure healthcare reform, revise the tax code, finish imigration reform, cut phucking spending, everything you failed to support when Bush was in office.

Get off your a$$.

Krauthammer is a demagogue
Krauthammer never once talks about Republican solutions.

Why?

Because they wouldn't work.

The Republican fantasy is that we can magically fix all of our economic and budgetary problems with TAX CUTS!

The problem: According to the CBO: TAX CUTS WILL INCREASE THE DEFICIT!

The difference between Obama's plan and the Republicans plan is that Obama's plan benefits the vast majority of Americans, while the Republican plan benefits the top 5%.

And don;t look now but it seems Wall St has much more confidence in Obama's plans than Krauthammer. The stock market is up about 28% from it's low and Citigroup just posted a profit. Looks like things are working out pretty well so far.

One more thing. France has a better health care system and pays less then half per capita than we do, while covering all of their citizens.

If we could cut our health care costs in half while covering all Americans, we would all be better off, and our long term debt structure would improve dramatically.

Go read Obama's speech. You might learn something.

Media mostly to blame
We have a president who is about to raise taxes along with govt spending in the worst recession in 50 years and what does the media discuss? Michelle Obama's arms!

This is the most brazen power grab since FDR's new deal. Comrade Obama will grow govt by 28%, giving trillions to the usual suspects like ACORN and the teachers unions. God help us if he gets universal health coverage. This will add over a million new govt workers just to administer the thing. And all these workers will be unionized and loyal democratic party hacks- all on the txpayers dime!

2010 will be the most crucial year in our nations history. If the voters do not send a message to "the dear leader" that we refuse socialism and all its trappings, just like FDR's new deal, Obama will create a democratic majority for the next 50 years


New Foundation
Hummmm; not much differnce from " New world Order " or " One World Order " is there???
I believe that {Joel-de Opresso Liber & anglers Reward } are both correct. It is not only what Mr. Obama has been saying, but what both partys have been doing in the last decade or two, perhaps longer that gives me great concern for our country & it's people.. I still have great hope tho.

Phyto:
You called Krauthammer a demagogue.
You don't know what demagogue means, do you?

You are apparently a member of the parasite class plus you live in MN. Are you a cab driver?

Obama--examine your "words" and THINK
The other day Obama said that he wants to help people who produce things, not "people who just push money around."

Unfortunately, I have the feeling that he didn't mean Congress, that large group of people who produce NOTHING but DO push (our) money around. Too bad.


What was that...?

Rest easy, Charles.

Those are the sounds of cracks in Obama's armor.

Slowly but surely, more and more people are waking up to the most outrageous game of smoke and mirrors ever perpetuated on the American people.

Moderates and "well-meaning" conservatives who pulled the lever for this pretender... are having some serious second thoughts.

And like the rest of us, they are also starting to become aware of the staggering price that all of us are about to pay.

The Tea Parties also made an increasing number of people aware that his kind of spending is simply un-sustainable. Huge tax increases will not even come close in paying for this madness.

But fear not, I heard they have plenty of ink to print lots and lots of more money. And that, folks... equals inflation (the hidden tax). Anyone care to guess what the rate might be?

And the accumulated national debt from our coming yearly deficits together with the growing obligations of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid have us headed towards a certain train wreck.

And contrary to "popular" belief, the economy has not yet hit bottom. Tragically, foreclosures will continue to go up... as will people losing their jobs. And company earnings reports for the next few quarters will hold back any recovery for some time.

And they're also learning that the most of the measly 10-20% of "stimulus" in the porkulus bill will not even be implemented this year.

As if that really means anything.

Because historically, government "stimulus" plans have NEVER worked. In fact... they have only made things worse, prolonging the misery.

And finally, people are passing the word.

In other words... Obama now owns this mess.



It seems to me
that there has been little opposition voiced, from either party, about Obama's proposals. First, I can't believe that the White House requested, and Georgetown acquiesced, to covering its religious icons, when he came to deliver his speech. The bothersome part, to me, is the hidden agenda of this President and his administration.
I would not be surprised to hear that the administration will be seeking amnesty for the millions of illegal aliens in this country. Would that not swell the voter bloc in favor of Obama?? It has been reported that here in North Carolina, there are 350,000 illegals. I would suspect that is on the low end.
I believe that none of this bodes well for this nation. Thank you

The Protests Are Just Beginning.

We had a meeting in Augusta,also. A large one!! Unfortunately,I was not able to go,but did see some news clips of it later in the evening.

These protests may all come to naught...but we must do something!! We cannot sit idly by and let our government take everything we hold dear from us. It has been in the works for years and is now coming to fruition.

The government may be stronger than we are,but if it continues the trend,we will have lost all our freedoms,our livelihood and our country.

This is not just for us. Our forefathers must be screaming from the graves that we have failed to keep what they left us...a Republic like no other on earth.

Also,our children and our children's children will , in the future ,accusingly ask us why we let this happen. Why we did not prevent the injustice caused by socialists who cared more for power than for their country.

It is time for acton. If not now....when?

The Charm of Competence
This, as I recall, was the great Leo Strauss's term for the seductions of modernity, especially modern technology. It would appear that the "progessives," with or without technology, are marching us all to hell.

Obama had me going with that speech. As a Catholic, I kept thinking of Cephas, Peter, The Rock. We're gonna build this thing "upon a rock," Obama repeated about four times.

Let us all hope and pray that even abject failure, which seems certain, has its compensations. I mean, look what happened to Saint Peter.

Mr. Krauthammer
My only hope is that the American people listen/read your analysis...always spot on!

We Have a Foundation
Obama claims to be an American? He is lying.

STARVE THE BEAST - National STRIKE WEEK

Where are all the business owners? HELLO?

Shut down,,,,for one week, please. When there are no taxable incomes, the fed will crumble. Isn't this what needs to occur? Let's get it over with and get on with our lives. By the way, in the long run we will be better off financially by taking the reigns of control now!

The Sting in 4 parts
Sorry Phylo but France does not have a health care system superior to us at half the cost. Check the suburbs around Paris--no health care for the North African immigrants and they control the suburbs and the police won't even go there. Our system provides the best health care in the world but it is costly because of the laws passed to pack the pockets of trial lawyers, because of the massive cost of medicare(no cost controls and I see it in person with my parents), medicaid(no cost controls), and a population that sits on their butts, smokes, drinks, and refuses to exercise. By the way both medicare and medicaid are government programs with costs out of control. Yes of course, cut payments to doctors, drug companies, and hospitals(main goal of cheaper care), add waiting times of months for normal care and weeks for serious issues. Then our creme of the crop young people will not become doctors, hospitals will stack patients in ambulances(to meet guidelines of care), and drug companies will stop doing research which means few or no new drugs. Great idea--socialized medicine--as the English or Canadians. I live close to Canada and they come to the U.S. for good care. nobama and his followers are like drug dealers both trying to create dependency.

China ATM
Obama & Gang naively think that the China ATM is without limits. China has already stopped buying US IOUS and instead they are biginning to sell parts of the Trillion $ notes right now.

Should Obama & Gang be allowed to further their madness (financial suicide) we will experience inflation rates only seen in the Weimar or banana republics in the past.

The increasing government taxation and de facto control of the once freem market will inevitably impede any economic revival, dooming the US to long term mediocrity and growing poverty.

The Tea Parties are a manifestation by Tax Payers against the growing numbers of Tax Consumers.

Not to worry
Rowley;
have no worry, as things gt worse and more Americans see just how bad we are and will get screwed, and how much of the constitution is being stepped upon, the ground swell will get bigger & bigger. and once { God forbid } they fire the first shot. it'll be on for real then, and mark my words THEY will loose. I am a vet and I still take the oath that I took back in 1970 seriously, and I am not the only one who feels this way. So take heart good friend all is not lost..

let's hope...
here's hoping michelle obama handles their personal budget...if she allowed her husband to do to their budget what he wants to do to ours...he'd be in the dog house with Bo, the fancy-bred doggie.

that's all we're saying...keep your hands and irresponsible ideas out of our money. obama's legacy..."the bankruptcy president."

Krauthammer is able to expose the sham
...with style, intelligence, sound information and logic.

A master!

http://www.jeannieology.wordpress.com

Phylo et al.
If the wealthy get a tax hike they move their income into bonds which DO NOT pay taxes. The only people who are truly affected are those who are attempting to break into the wealthy elite status. The people who put their money into making money and jobs for those who are being left behind by our education system.

Wall St. has confidence in Obama's plan. Why shouldn't they? This is the same thing that happened back with the S&L Crisis on a grander scale. The politicians made the rules that the "Wall Streeters" played by, and buy the way alot of those Wall Street guys went from the big banks and investment firms into government and back again. Do you not realize that the current group in Congress were there to pass the laws to protect us from a banking crisis from happening again? Do you not realize that when the say there was a lack of oversight the same politicians sit on the committees that are in charge of the oversight?

STOP the republican democrat finger pointing. Take the power out of the hands of the federal government. It was G.H.W. Bush with the help of the democrat congress that set us up for this "saving" of our economy. The government created more money for them to skim off and hand out.

The census taker was at my house this week. They asked only if there was an addition made to the property. Nothing about the numbers or who was living here. These are the numbers they use to create economic and political policy. IT IS NOT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GRASPING FOR MORE CONTROL!

When Government Promises----
All of us have to remember one strong constitutional principle or we lose our individual freedom.

When ever government promises to do something. Like anything it promises. Even the New Foundation Promise.

That government to promise it will, requires me to believe by committing. Once I commit. I give up my individual freedom to the chains of government.

Americans have been doing this with so many programs that it is just normal to rattle our chains as we argue over, how much?

I want not a thing from government and take not a thing from me. That is freedom. The chains of friendships cost me dearly in my promised words. Only because I choose to honor my friends and not rape them like government does.

Brilliant Rebuttal
Great message, Charles! Please keep it up!

Joel-De Oppresso Liber, Location: NV
I suspect you are a false flag. Your insane rants can be falsely construed to be opinions held by the rational bloggers on this site, as well as the author. You create an opportunity for false accusations against innocent patriotic Americans, when your ravings are introduced as evidence at a show trial.

the interesting points
Krauthammer is not an expert on economics, and given that he counts as an expert on foreign policy and yet all of his predictions on foreign policy prove false that is saying something, so there is limited point in critiquing the economics parts of the speech.

For example it should be obvious that the fact that there are costs in making major changes to the health care system does not actually show that there are no long term savings.

But what is most interesting, because his focus in usually on foreign affairs, is noting that while under Bush it was unpatriotic to talk about us not being at war while we had soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, once Obama took over that magically ceased to be true and we are no longer at war.

The other related interesting thing is that while Krauthammer wants us to continue these wars at great expense, not spending that money, which we would still be spending if a Republican was in office, does not count to the credits of democrats. So the money for Iraq and Afghanistan didn't count when we were spending it. And not spending it is not a savings over spending it. Apparently war money is magic money that shouldn't affect budget claims. (But then the magic runs out in the end and that money is there in the debt after all).

Every day, every half day
a new atrocity is being committed by this administration..Charles Krauthammer has just described the worst and thankfully has made this most important one clear. However, I'm afraid that this is no where the end of it...something has to be done more quickly than I think any of us realize....as Charles said...Obama is very brazen...and that's a perfect description of this man. This is unreal.

Rose M.

Our New Foundation
Good article, as far as it goes. SO, let's focus in on what's really happening in OUR United States of America: Der OberSheik is laughing all the way to the mosque, my friends. Make no mistake, from The Git, The Plan was to seize OUR NATION for a new moslem Golden Homeland. Der Obersheik is just doing again what the moslems have done before--seize entire Western countries for islam. They are howling with laughter over our naivete & just plain stupidity in failing to come to grips with what's going on! OK, hang on to your chairs, kiddees:
THE New Foundation is ISLAM!

The first phase of "Seize America for muhammed." was getting Obersheik elected through BUYING The American Great Whore Media & Extreme Voting Fraud. Now, WE are in Phase Two: Destroy the ability of American Leadership to organize resistance by bankrupting anyone in the least bit powerful. Next comes, wiping out Handicapped, Senior Citizens, Jews & Catholics, etc. via manipulation of the so-called Universal Health Care. (The last time The West saw the bulldozing of millions of bodies into trenches, even Hitler didn't have the audacity to publicly name it "Healthcare"). This third phase is about ridding Americans from the best homes/land/business--TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE IMPORTATION OF MILLIONS OF muslims who are tired of living in desert ratholes & want to move in on OUR AMERICAN PROGRAM. See why Der OBERSHEIK IS laughing his head off while playing with our collective American minds? He, THEY, cannot believe what nitwits the purportedly smart, tough, Leaders of Planetary Economy Americans really are!
So, we have two choices here: "Throw The Bums OUT!", or get ready for Sharia Law while awaiting extermination. Hmmmm! Which one will it be, AMERICA???

Notre Dame Scandal
The president of the University of Notre Dame – Father Jenkins – has invited Barack Hussein Obama to speak at the UND graduation ceremony in May.

Many Catholic, Christian, and Pro-life citizens are outraged that Fr. Jenkins would disrespect Catholic teachings against abortion and invite the O’Borter-In-Chief to speak at UND.

A petition has been circulating to protest this outrage and it now has around 300,000 signatures.

The petitioning group would like to have around 350,000 signatures before Monday April 20, 2009 when they will present the petition to Fr. Jenkins and the UND Board of Directors.

I have already signed the petition, and both written and emailed Fr. Jenkins my personal opposition to this invitation because I am pro-life and Christian.

Please, if you are a Notre Dame Alum, or know a Notre Dame Alum, or if you are Catholic, Christian, Pro-life, or if you simply dislike Obama, sign this petition, and pass it along if at all possible.

Go to:

http://notredamescandal.com/?roi=echo3-3887019520-2984397-e e967f04920c441da51d7e9b3088bc53&fc_c=1399206x2984397x152904 182

Thank you,

USPatriot56

New Foundation -- no way ..

Mr. Krauthammer is spot-on as usual.

As someone famously declared recently, the president, other elected officials, and bureaucrats are temporary stewards of powers delegated to the government. Under no circumstance does that provide them license to alter the form of government embodied in the Constitution. They swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution for a damned good reason. Most of them are eligible for impeachment due to their perfidy.

It is up to We The People to hold them accountable for their transgressions, which has manifestly not happened to date.

v/r,

-- Bud

Great Society
LBJs "Great Society" along with his "Unified Budget", laid the ground work for much of the fiscal chicanary we see today. Nobody even mentions the $2.2 trillion FICA theft that is still ongoing.

It's all about One-World Government
Read up on the Federal Reserve. Look at what each of the presidents said about the USA lowering itself to enable the rest of the world to rise.
The grand plan is for a one-world government, using the IMF and World Bank (which Obama just promoted in the G20) and the new world currency, which Obama also talked of in the G20.

New Foundation = New Slavery
The Sting is the perfect description of the con job which Obama and his administration are foisting on Americans. Be not fooled by his chicanery he is looking out for himself, concentrating power over his new slaves. All to soon the new tyrant Obama will have enslaved all Americans and will be able to tell you all what to think, where to work, and how much money you will be paid. Soon he will declare your private property is really the property of the Feds and will begin to charge you rent. Just wait till your electric bill doubles and triples as cap and trade kicks in.

Good Bye America we will miss you

Lon
It was considered by many of us unpatriotic to attack the general in charge and dismiss what he was to say before Congress before he said it. It was unpatriotic to judge the war as being lost, Harry Reid!

It was the media that expanded the unpatriotic theme to mean any disagreement with the war.

The war money produced 50 million free Iraqi's. The world has gained a free nation.

Thanks Charles
Another good article. the question: Where is the money coming from? How is it going to be paid back? Do the American People care? We do need a mighty leader. Don't know from where, however don't believe he/she can be a Politic Norm.

A "New Foundation"?
The USA already HAS a foundation, Obobo -
it's called The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and The Declaration of independence!


WAKE UP, AMERICA!

Stop the Tax Cuts Argument
The goverment is too large and centralized. Cut the size of goverment THEN cut taxes. Make the states run welfare programs, if they want to have them. Also get rid of popular election of senators and repeal the 17th amendment. State assemblies have no power in federal goverment and states have become provincialized. Too much direct democracy dooms any republic and the 17th amendment is a great example of that.

End of America as we knew it...
Maximum Leader Zippy doesn't give a hoot what happens to America as long he rises to lead from the ashes.

New Foundation
Higher taxes don't fix "STUPID"

Krauthammer as always brilliant.
Obama has invoked the Sermon on the Mount (Matt7) so many times he is convincing his adoring followers he wrote it...His plan?????.
He is now comparing the Matt 7 house built on ROCK to 5 pillars.. Interestingly Islam has 5 pillars...Is he subtlety trying to confuse these two or maybe fuse these together in the minds of the his victims.
If Obama was as spiritual as he pretends to be he would associate the foundation of sand with the descendants of Ishamels who are numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA..This is the SAND FOUNDATION of Matthew 7.This SAND OF THE SEA foundation is also revealed in Revelation 13-1 where John stands on the SAND OF THE SEA and see the religious- political beast.
Another interesting verse about THOSE NUMBERED AS THE sand of the sea is Rev 20 ,7, 8 ..It says satan deceives and gathers to battle Jesus those that are numbered as the SAND OF THE SEA..These are most definitely Abraham-Ishmael descendants..And the battle with Jesus began with the Koran contridictions of Jesus words..

Dr. Krauthammer
Great column. Again you are spot on. I just wish you would call the lie, a lie. At the rate the dems are printing, and spending, the dollar will not be worth a thing. When the economy crashes because no one will want dollers, then what will the libs do?
Kirk

Lou louise
Please don't think all the people in MN are like phlow seer. Some of us do think beond ourselves, and realy do work for a living.
Phy, is most likly from Minnapolis/Sy Paul, or Dulth. The libs always stay in the citys, as to survive in the country is hard. They don't work that hard, and would die in the winter with out city services.
Kirk

Well, let's take a Reality Check
The True Foundation of this Country is the Constitution.

Sad reality is that Liberals have built a slum on top of that foundation.

Now Obama wants to gold plate the slum...all because those that live in that slum are his suporters.


Prez's New Foundation
Charles, thanks for your insight and diligence in following the Prez's words but more importantly his actions and inactions.

Manchurian Candidate for sure
This person who is our President has been trained, planted, and set free to destroy America. Look at his appointments! All America haters. We must not let up for one second.

Charles is absolutely on point. Read your constitution. Hold every public servant's feet to the fire to follow it to the letter. Impeach anyone who does not.

Rise up! Fight! Stop the transition of a republic based on liberty to a communist or muslim hellhole.

Daisy, Chicago Illinois

Economic stimulus
Everyone who has to listen to a speech by the great putz should be provided with a shovel before he starts his pontificating. This would cause a boom in the shovel industry (unless, of course, the shovels were made in China).

ANTI-NEW FOUNDATIONALIST NUT
Krauthammer better mind what he says or else he may be branded a right wing loon, a vicious anti-New Foundationalist nut badly in need of reeducation. I advise that he apply to John McCain for survival lessons in a communist jail.

Click my name and read my three new pieces: The Meaning of Obama's Strasbourg Blunder, The Axis of Arrogance and The Brotherhood of Fear (about the paranoia gripping Obama).

Charles, Thank You!
I appreciate your logic and common sense in deciphering Obama-Speak for us in this well-written article on his "new foundations." Some of us suspected or KNEW what foundations he was tending toward quite a while back.

I might even call his ideas the New European Flounder-ations. The flounder only has eyes on one side of its body. So does Obama-the left side! It is a bottom dwelling fish that changes its skin color to match its background and to hide from its enemies. Every day his bottom dwelling policies bring new challenges to our republic.

I was at a tea party on Weds. and 2/3 of the people raised their hands when asked if this was the first protest they had ever attended. There was absolutely no hint of violence but there was a fine show of patriotism judging from the speeches made by everyday, common citizens. This alone gives me hope. I do not put my trust in the visually challenged, deaf and hard of hearing government minions. Obama has gone beyond a symbol of mere sensory deprivation, he is hungrily sucking up power for his proposed radical change and the ideological destruction of this great country.

Yes, for many, he does have CHARM, but I see the HARM that is hidden inside it. I hope others will open their eyes and ears and see it too, before it too late. Thank you for helping to lead the way. Many have not been this close to the bottom dwellers before and may not recognize them for what they are.

Government Healthcare
Like Mr. Krauthammer, I am also a former Canadian citizen and have a rather different perspective on healthcare than the proponents of government healthcare. Imagine if you will the major motivating factors: if the government is paying your healthcare bills they will be highly inclined to reduce those costs (healthcare is not an investment in the Canadian budget, it is a cost). The most effective ways to reduce costs are to ration the product or for the consumer to quickly and cheaply die. On the other hand, for-profit health insurance companies are highly-motivated to keep you alive and paying premiums for as long as possible.

I've lived in the government-run healthcare system and I will never go back to those brutal waiting lists, surly employees, outdated generic drugs, and substandard third-world doctors.

All I Want
The only thing I want from my Goobermunch is to be left alone. Don't do anything for me other than what is STRICTLY!!! enumerated in the Constitution and BILL OF RIGHTS. It's through the Bill of Rights that WE, (the actual government of the people) limit the size and scope of the Federal GOOBERMUNCHERS. Demand accountability. Ask your Congress person if they've read and are familiar with either the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Test their knowledge. Ask them specific questions about the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If they can't or won't answer right away, you have your answer as to representative govt. Of course, this means we have to have at the least a working knowledge ourselves of what is contained within these documents. Might be a bit of homework for all of us to begin with huh?

AMERICANS UNARMED-CRIMINALS ARMED HR45
Obama's administration has secretly introduced HR 45 that goes beyond trampling on the constitutional rights of law abiding American citizens to own guns guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution! It punished American citizens and provides a clause that allows the government to enter your private property based on a allegation and search your property and if they choose - arrest you and put you in jail for 5- 10 years - and where do the children go?
I suspect - they'll be in obama's new training program and trained up the liberal way!
HR 45 is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS law because it leaves all of the millions of guns in the hands of the unidentifiable criminals, illegals and terrorists who will control the streets while leaving the American people defenseless against any thugs like in Mexico and Third World countres because criminals, terrorists and illegals won't register guns - they can make guns and ammunition - and they have fake IDs and no addresses - and if you want to happen to America what's happening in Mexico and around the world and be left defenseless against criminals and terrorists then do nothing - Otherwise, write, email or call and have your friends and family do the same opposing HR 45 that targets law abiding Americans for criminal prosecution and fines and leaves them vulnerable to criminals and terrorists who won't be registered - Think about it - Have they ever found Bin Laden? Can they stop the killings and beheadings in the Middle East and Mexico? Google HR 45 or HR 45 Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 and save your U.S. Constitutional rights and your freedoms before it's too late in my opinon - Time is of the essence to oppose HR 45!

Foundation for What?
I wonder what type of edifice the annointed one plans to build on his new foundation. Most likely a bordello so he can collect taxes and screw the productive segment of the population simultaneously.

On Second Thought
Maybe that New Foundation is an undiscovered manuscript by Issac Asimov.

Bait and Switch
"Here's the problem. The heart of Obama's health care reform is universality. Covering more people costs more money. That is why Obama's budget sets aside an extra $634 billion in health care spending, a down payment on an estimated additional spending of $1 trillion. How does the administration curtail the Medicare and Medicaid entitlement by adding yet another (now universal) health care entitlement that its own estimate acknowledges increases costs by about $1 trillion?"

If he puts everyone on government health care he can then do away with Medicare and Medicaid entitlements and then say he saved 'x' amount of dollars...just like he does with other programs.

It's bait and switch.

Well done Dr. Krauthammer!

Does anyone study history anymore
Vladimir Illich Lenin was a young law school graduate with little experience in the profession of law, little life experience and no executive experience. Like Barack Obama he had Charisma, charm and some gradious ideas about social engineering. During his tenure from 1917 to 1924 over four million Soviets suffered untimely death. Lenin went on to mentor Stalin who eventually relieved over twenty million Soviets from death by natural causes (Twentieth Century Death-Toll; user.serols.com).

Am I saying that Obama will behave similarly? No, of course not! I only wish to point out that Bolshevik/communists (or socialists as the polite refer to them) can be ruthless when it comes to getting their way. I believe that Obama has different ideas (besides, all those bodies laying around would cause a serious PR problem).

At this time in history Barack Obama is fortunate in that he has a growing prolitariat in this country which has been dumbed down by the NEA with "outcome-based" education for over thirty years, who are qualified only for the most low paying jobs that exist. These people are a very pliable voting base and highly responsive to propaganda regarding class envy (did ya see how easy it was for him to get them going on the executive bonus issue?). Additionally he is blessed with a comatose Boursgeoisie who do not wish to offend anyone, and are too polite to speak out.

I believe that the Obama plan is for us to vote our way out of our democratice republic. For those who are victims of outcome-based education and unburdened with any knowledge of history, no historical parallel exists with what is happening around them. They don't even see it coming. For good people who know what is happening but are too timid to say or do anythng about it, it will be eternal shame.

Nationalized health care
You know, if Obama would get some smart people like Dr. Krauthammer and Dr. Sowell on his team, rather than the tax cheats and radicals that he chose, we could solve many of the problems of this country.

I lived with socialized medicine in my youth, having been born in Britain. I have had some medical problems since birth, and I remember the long wait at the doctor’s office. The last thing that I would want is national health care. My memories of it are not good, and when I have talked to my family in recent years, it hasn’t got any better. Waiting six months to get an appointment with a specialist is not what anyone needs when they are sick. And that is what you will get.

I will let someone else address the financial problems that it will bring up, as they are immense. You think health care is expensive now, wait till it is free.

One last thing, have you even known the government be able to run anything well? I know I haven’t. Anyone who wants nationalized health care is either a fool, or just too stupid for their own good.

Manchurian Candidate
"This person who is our President has been trained, planted, and set free to destroy America. Look at his appointments! All America haters. We must not let up for one second."

I have been saying this all along. He was groomed and chosen by our enemies. Because of his ethnicity they knew we would embrace him out of fear of being called racists. Now look what we have. He has nothing but contempt for the American people and nothing but contempt for our way of life. He is out to redefine everything about America so it fits his sick, perverted idea of the perfect world. God help America.

ALERT! -Obama Stealth Gun Control - HR45
HR45 was just introduced in the House and is going to have far reaching effect on your ability to own or even keep your firearms. Please visit my blog for details on the stealth registration and confiscation attack on gun owners. Please visit NOW!:
http://spinnada.blogspot.com/
We all need to stand together in opposition to this attack!

Too clever for his own good
The main problem with someone who has the ability to convince other people that he or she is highly intelligent and knowledgeable in all areas of government is that sooner or later, he or she has to prove it. To date, gaffes have been explained by the main stream media that does what the Liberal power brokers tell it to do. I think that if you take away all of the teleprompters and Liberal advisors, you would find that Obama can't stand on his own two legs and accomplish any concrete solutions to anything. As a registered Democrat for fifty-four years, I suffered along with all Americans during the embarrassing Carter administration just hoping it would end quickly so that we could someone more qualified than a peanut farmer. At least Carter had worked at producing something other than hot air. Obama has made a career and done quite well at selling himself as his main accomplishment. I think a snake oil salesperson does the same thing. In Obama's case, I fear that the cure will be far worse than the problem. Oh well, in a hundred years none of this will matter anyway and Obama will definitely be an obscure footnote in the journal of history.

The Constitution is our rock
and this sand castle Obama is building without it will melt into the sea, eventually...

I lived through Carter...
don't get me started or we'll be here all day.

Obamanation Currency
My husband and I were playing with the idea of what currency will replace the dollar once hyper-inflation makes it truly worthless.

First, the replacement for the $1 bill and coin (a trillion of which will be exchanged for it) will be the Obama.

Second, the replacement for the 50 cent piece will be the Biden.

Third, the replacement for the quarter will be the Reid.

Fourth, the replacement for the penny will be the Pelosi.

Since we must be green, all coinage will be made out of sun-baked clay.

Enjoy the day.

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Posted the above on my blog, but thought we could all use a laugh.

The New Foundation?
Great analysis Charles. Seems like someone in the Senate would have caught onto this, but nooooooooo, the whole lot of them needs to go. I think all these universalists need get on a bannana boat and live in Cuba/Venezula for 5 years (God forbid any of them have aids since that instant prision where you will be starved to death, now that's economic) and then come back and give us a full report of how that went.

Well anglers
the One magicmessiah did opine back around 2001
-04, not sure of the year that the Constitution is "flawed" and "filled with negative rights."
Funny, I thought it was perfect since the men writing it knew exactly what they wanted for this Republic, with it's checks and balances,
three part government right out of the Bible.
Something I recently learned from another poster, God is Judge, God is Lawmaker God is Executive (my paraphrase) from Isaiah 33:22.
So if it was formed from scripture, it's perfect.
Negative Rights..yep, all those stinkin' Rights in the Bill of Rights..puts a kibosh on tyrannical marxist tyranny.
We need to demand of our representatives and Senators just how he thinks he'g going to trample upon this Document?
New Foundation, NO we need the Constitution upheld, but then those of who are demanding that
are the "Right Wing Extremists" according to him via his DHS STOOGE.
Micheal Savage is suing on behalf of veterans etc the DHS and Napolitano. He should stretch his lawsuit further and sue this negative
TelePOTUS also.

OBAMA'S DOUBLE SPEAK

If the left wing liberals, the liberal media, the Democratic and the Republic Parties don't yet understand Barack Obama's Double Speak, as Charles Krauthammer so well pointed out, then they don't yet understand that the hundreds of thousands of Americans who were at the Tea Parties on April 15th are very serious about our protests. Very Serious!

Incredulous
Good idea..be really great if you catch them at a "listening tour" (what a ridiculous name for
a perpetual campaign, pretending they listen then go back to D.C. and do the opposite); or
if they happen to be doing retail politics though I don't know how many do these days. Not only those looking for a job in the Federal
Congress, but those who want local and state
elected offices. Hammer away at them.

New, novel, fresh, original Foundation..
The U.S. economy melts down because of poor management in our financial institutions, corporations, and a fiscally irresponsible government. Can we change? Yes we can by changing the name and with more of the same. New Foundation is all smoke an mirrors.

Let's Face It
The current Congress and Administration is mostly made up of people who hate the American as set up and want to turn it into a poor relation of the rest of the countries in the world. Islam is being so favored by these people and other Liberals, that you'd think the World Trade Center tragedy didn't happen. The plane in the pentagon was piloted by a white male dissident, and the plane crash in PA didn't happen. Perhaps the Big O should consider this quote from his favorite President, Abraham Lincoln: "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

how long before....
we can just simply say: obama is liar.

just words, just speeches,
roy

Carter Vs obama
Carter was simply a naive fool and remains so today..This guy on the other hand is dangerous. Too many communist ideas being put forth. Too many anti-American programs being instituted by a man with communist leanings, mentors and associates.

No POTUS has ever described the constitution as a "flawed document", with that mindset he will and is doing everything to destroy it and the capitalist system to be replaced by some other "foundation". Like the communist manifesto perhaps?

We need to impeach this guy and very quickly before permanent damage is done to the republic.

He Knows What He Is Doing
Obama knows very well what he is doing. He can, indeed, implement all of those socialist programs and get it all done without a vast increase in the debt. Somebody just has to run the numbers with the following assumptions related to means testing and big tax increases:

1. All entitlements will be severely means tested, including Social Security. The government, for the first time, will begin looking at your net worth, not just your income to establish your payment schedule. A retiree's payments will be calculated as an inverse of all personal savings and investments in excess of some modest level; i.e. if you have savings of less than $50,000, you get 100% of SS. Above that level there will be a progressive discount of SS income until you reach $1 million where SS payments phase-out entirely.

2. The net worth analysis will also pertain to Medicare payments. Your deductibles will go up in relation to your net worth or income. Of course, this can be offset by (expensive) Government managed Supplemental Plans.

3. Taxes will be raised to exceed European levels. Obama will not just look at marginal tax rates, he is going to vastly increase progressivity. Everyone over $75,000 in taxable family income will see EFFECTIVE tax rates between 35% and 40%. The very wealthy (over $250,000 family taxable) will see real rates of 60% to 75%. He will simplify the tax code by merely eliminating "loopholes", such as mortgage deductions.

The driving objective is to insure that Obama can buy-off an electoral majority through give-aways to the needy, victim class and to those who only want to see the "rich" punished. His re-distribution philosophy is driven by reducing everybody to the same effective income and wealth level - true equality. It may work! He can probably raise the standard of living and incomes/benefits of over 50% of the people while financially destroying those selfish rich families who cannot impact his electability.

Seperation of Power
I think we can all agree that power corrupts. So the question is: if you know and understand power corrupts why do you want more power to be in the hands of people who are never held to account for their actions?

Even if President Obama is as good as some think he is, there are people within the Government who are not, additionally, Obama will not be in power after 8 years.

So who ever takes over the reigns of a now larger and more powerful government is going to do what?

Be frugal?

Right.

Some get it.
old progrmr
Location: SC has it right. President Obama uses words that,hopefully, appease the listener but that really are intended to smooth over what is really a secular progressive government. We might as well have a dictatorship by the time the current admin gets through with their plans. However, some people do get it and see through his words. That's why the tea parties came about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that what he is up to is neither America as we know it or sustainable. He doesn't care about sustainabililty because he hopes to have put us in the box before too many realize what has happened.

old progrmr #85... It will work!

Especially after adding in 10 million new Mexican voters, welfare check in hand.

But, I have no pity for the upper classes. Many of them voted for this nonsense. Most of the others were too busy making money, too naive, and too elite to organize their own Tea Parties, to fight off the Marxists. Sad, but envy is human nature, and envy has won for now.

History - albeit bad - is being made. We stand alone, our morals handed to us.


Manchurian Candidate
I agree with Uneasy Rider

Under Obama we are having
an Ordeal.

I like Obama's idea of putting
Medicaid on steriods. Instead of Medicaid for the poor, let's make it a universal health care program. Oh but, I forget, Obama's plan to cut births to zero will make it all possible.

Liberals who can't understand
how plants breathe carbon dioxide and produce oxygen, why do they want to reduce carbon dioxide? The same can be said, if they are that stupid, abut how can they hope to spend our way out of debt? Doesn't say much for their IQ does it?

Michael from CT
I am on-board with all of your proposals.

But it will never happen. Neither Democrats or Republicans stand for limited federal sovereignty, and both have shown that when given the change to run Washington, they will both centralize. Since Democrats and Republicans comprise over 70% of the voting public, it is impossible to stem the centralization trend.

The govt has LOST its mind
Ultimately what this is all about is a better way of doing things that our govt has been ignoring for some time. Both parties.

I read a great blog on this today! You guys gotta check it out.

http://rjmoeller.com

new foundation??
I think, given the recent DHS report listing veterans anyone with conservative views as potential right wing extremists, we should call this the "New Malfeasance."

There is a way to save our country
And that way is to start in high school and teach free market economics. There should be no Lenin/Marxist propoganda until college when those who have been educated with the basics of free market economics are old enough to make up their own minds.

Dr. K, all the way--
is spot-on once again.

As to the media pressing for a meaningful answer from the occupier of the WH, let's not hold our collective breath on that one.

Were not for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.

Why do you all hate the USA so much?
you cannot stand being in the minority. It is making your brains explode, esp. when the man in charge is Black. LOL

A Page In GOP History ...
Yes, General Lee Was A Car !!


When you get your news from FOX, and your favorite show is the Dukes Of Hazzard, well, why not ???

Dr.K is a ex-Bush lover
Another Faux Noise clown

Numbers
Like my Grandpa would say "Numbers don't lie... People do." The modern version would be "Numbers don't lie... politicians do." I'm a numbers kind of guy and the only way to muddle through all that is to look at the numbers. Either politicians are some of the biggest idiots on the planet or they are lying. I believe it is the latter.

fool's gold.
to bad there are a lot more fools than gold.

New report from DHS
says that only terrorists talk about numbers.

try this
What I would really like is for Obama to cite that portion of the Constitution that allows the Federal government to do any of what he puts forward. If he cannot, then one can only conclude he is committing both malfeasance and maladministration, both of which fall under high crimes and misdemeanors and make him already impeachable by any reasonable standard.
C'mon someone, anyone show me where the revenue clause at the beginning of article 1, Section 8 says anything about transference of wealth, or where there is a power given for legislating on behalf of individuals. The states already the power to legislate for individuals and never delegated such a power to the federal government. What we have now is theft, plain old theft under the guise "public interest", or however the charlatan usurpers like to phrase it.

New DHS report
says people who pay attention to numbers are potential terrorists. Further, the report warns that these terrorist might try to recruit by teaching children math and logic.

Obama doesn't know he has a tiger
by the tail. We conservatives can afford to wait a while to see how his stupid initiatives will affect us, but those who elected him are not so patient. I think all we have to do is sit back and watch how his own ignorant masses find out that he is all gas and no substance. Now these are some really nasty people when you cross them.

traitorbill
I didn't do it no one saw me do it you can't prove a thing.

New Foundation
VS. our OLD foundation.....The Constitution, Declaration & Bible.

Be afraid....be very afraid.....

Krauthhammer? LOL

Is there anything this old coot has been right about? Iraq? The economy? McCain? Palin? This guy has no credibility---he is a Fox stooge.

This entire site has completely
blocked out yesterday's #1 news story of the Bush administrations torture memos.

I think it's because there's no good way to spin this horrifying story that Townhall was chosen simply to ignore it. Like it will go away if you wish hard enough.

The tea parties were a minor story & they got tons of TH coverage.

The torture memos were an historical major story and received ZERO coverage here.

Gilberto..LOL
Do you understand you can only mbe seen as a child crying "are too" to someone elses "am not". I pointed out YOUR lack of intellectual honesty before as all you do is make assertions, but never attempt to validate your claims with any substantive arguments. In the world of grown ups, we actually prefer to have coherent discourse based on logic and facts.
Try this..show me where in the Constitution Obama has any authority for what he has declared to be his agenda. If you can't will you then speak out against him? or will you advocate lawlessnes, and the mere capriciousesness of agendas not based on the rule of law?

Wake up, Krauthammer


Enough napping! Is your medication too strong? Who do you think you are---Ronald Reagan? Ha ha ha.

LOL
Obama's Foundation Garments...suddenly I'm picturing Barry hawking bras and panties:

Look folks, let me be perfectly clear, this girdle will be the new foundation you need.

Joe Biden wouldn't gird his loins with anything else!

I think we need a FairTax Foundation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXJXtscsuXc



Kettle time
Lenard: If you can't will you then speak out against him?

REPLY:

I take it you spoke out against torture, outing an American spy, politicizing the Attorney General's Office, war fraud profiteering, snooping on American citizens and military and civilian officials, detention without charges?

If not, please do so now or keep quiet.

Josh..torture
Yes Josh, it was really, really torture. I mean it would barely be considered hazing for most fraternities, and the SEALS and other elite military units go through much worse to ensure that they are capable of performing to the hoghest of their potential. Geez ever watch Big Brother or Survivor, where what the contestants endure is not far from what you're calling torture? Really historical.

What?!!!

...and the SEALS and other elite military units go through much worse to ensure that they are capable of performing to the hoghest of their potential.

REPLY:

Our enemies strap bombs and explode themselves? What's your point?

Where is the Misery Index
Now that we have Jimmy Carter Part Deux,
when will they break out the Misery scale , or is that racist , since I was at a Tea Party, and when is Jack Bauer going to start hunting down all us radical's because were using gas lawn mowers and letting are pot belly pigs fart.

TD2008
Only 6% of the nation watches FOX

Insignificant Pukes think that's great!

Only 7% of the nation watches news, what's your point?

phylo dough
We have read his speeches. We have learned how utterly ridiculous he is ( and you little lamb)

OBAMA should read HIS speeches. He is too busy reading those of other leaders!! Hint hint the Irish PM's speech. OH the media did not want to let us know that one. What a maroon!

And if all these great places have such great healthcare why do the leaders of these countries come to the USA for theirs?!! Healthcare SUCKS in France. And these shangra la's you talk about are being over run by Muslims.

You might want to leave this Country because we real Americans are not turning it over to you loons. We will fight.

Not a typical column
It seems to me that Charles humor is more prevalent and biting than usual today, very refreshing.

In that spirit, I note that the trolls assert that Charles commentary is always wrong while parroting left wing talking points that have were debunked countless times.

I see that the stock market is recovering slightly; maybe there will be something left of this country to save in 2010.

picture of obama and biden
It looks like obama just took that finger out of bidens patoonka. biden with that stupid look on his face.

Lenard--
The torture the Bush administration approved was not only waterboaeding, but sleep deprivation for up to 11 days in a row, smashing detainees heads into walls, prolonged periods of nakedness, "boxed confinement", dog collars, death threats to the families.

IS THIS YOUR IDEA OF AMERICA?? You snotty little unpatriotic thug.

What's "torture" to you? The iron maiden? Drawing excessive amounts of blood? Is nothing torture to you? Is nothing going "too far"?

Bush has degraded and debased this country. Bush should be taken to an undisclosed country and quietly rendered.

Josh
Because who gives a sh#t what the CIA does to murderers to ensure no more Americans get murdered. I could care less. I want them DEAD.

And believe me they want you headless, not just BRAINLESS.

Josh
You should be tortured. Why don't we send you over to your pals in iran.

You left wing idiots need to get over your Bush problem.

You are a punk. You side with terrorists. You are not an American. You are a traitor.Drop dead.

Hey, Lenard---killed any civilians today
Lenard: P.S. And for good measure, one more time: PHUCK YOU!

REPLY:

Go to H*LL, you stupid military moocher. It's like you America haters that is causing problems for us all over the world. Get real job, stupid moron.

Gilberto
Perhaps it escaped your notice but this article was about Obama, and as such my question to you was concerning him. Again, you lack the intellectual honesty to stay on subject and answer my question. The intellectually dishonest or immature use evasion to not deal with a subject when they find themselves in an untenable position. When I come across you on some article related to the accusations you posited then I will gladly enter into discourse with you on such. Until then MAN UP and answer my earlier post, or admit the fallacy of your position.

Torture is in the eye of the beholder
You don't have to fret anymore Josh,
President Bush isn't in the White House any longer , so now you can feel safe again, I heard from source that Al Qaeda has turned in all their weapons and started planting peace gardens full of poppies in Afghanistan.
Wow what benefit President Obama has gotten us from his overwhelming landslide election of what was like 110% of the voting electorate.
and I'm quite sure he will put a stop to President Clinton's data mining any day now, oops did I say clinton I meant Bush, they might have to turn the mikes down a little though the dissent is a little closer to home now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so glad you cons are totally out of
governmental control and safely in the minority. Where you belong.


Those Bush memos were directly from the Bush administration, for the CIA. This story was covered on every major news corporation yesterdeay (some of you must not follow the news; Kool-aid sites like this one did not report it -- though we got yards and yards of vaccuous tea party commentary).

Obama apparently wrestled for over a month with whether he should declassify these memos or not. Under the interests of full disclosure, and a sign that the United States in now turning the page, he made these secret memos public.

Gilberto
You're a fraud. You resort to vile language and slander of character while in the same breath accuse me of being a "problem causer". How can your vileness in any way bring about peace and good will. You have just shown who is a true trouble maker. You sir are source of contention and hostility. Should we all carry on as you do we would have killed each other off a long time ago.

Obama's wrestling
The only Wrestling President Obama has been doing , what teleprompter he is supposed to be reading from.
He only does this so keep your attention on what you hate most , the man who did his best to keep you frigging safe for the past 7 years , President Bush never cared what you thought of him , he just kept your mean spirited arse safe , now you might not believe that but that's what he did along with a bunch of selfless soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines so why don't you give the Hate up man its just going to burn you up, maybe you should start focusing on the future of this country , I'm sur you bitched about the money Bush spent on the war , well thats going to look like alms for the poor when our current President gets done.

Bill, this is for you

BILL:
In addition to being stupid, you must be illiterate. You pasted from my reply to you and sent it to Lenard. Here let me help you.
P-H-U-C-K Y-O-U.

REPLY:

Oops. Sorry, you dishonorable little traitor. Go to h*ll, and stop mooching off my tax dollar. PHUC you, torture boy. And get used to it, loser.

what's in a name?
gilbe--rto

bilge--rot

Oops.
Gilberto
You're a fraud. You resort to vile language and slander of character while in the same breath accuse me of being a "problem causer

Lenard:
My mistake. My vile statements were meant for Bill, the profane poster.

Hey, sol.
Sol:
what's in a name?
gilbe--rto

bilge--rot

REPLY:

Sol
los-er

Bill, Rush wants you
BILL:
Since Jan 20 2009, everything good and bad that happens in the USA is the responsibility of your Buffoon-in-Chief. Stick a dill pickle in your moth and shut up. Jackass.

REPLY:
So long as you are mooching off my tax dollar, you will respect the president, the flag and the constitution. Or at least your leader, Michael Steele. LOL. You America-hating ignoramus. Bend over, here comes Rush.

No party wants you, filthmouth
Bill-

You make a great posterboy for the angry right wing.

"I"m mad. I'M M-A-A-A-A-DDD!! Ha ha ha ha.

Here, Bill, chick, chick
Bill, where are you, you cowardly little worm?

Hey Dusty!
Did you go to government school? Inner city, or what? You're part of Barack's Plantation, right? You know what I'm saying? Are you a victim? Are you looking to belly-up to the public trough or do you already have a front row seat? Baracki gonna feed you? Well anyway, what I was going to tell you is that you come across like a ding-a-ling when you write about "watches FOX" or "watches news". It's watch FOX, not watches FOX. Spend less time watching MTV and try and get your arms around some self improvement so you won't come across like a plantation dwelling moron.

Not Asimov
Obviously this "New Foundation" touted by BHO is not the one envisioned by Isaac Asimov.

This one seems far more to resemble what Karl Marx had in mind. Along with Karl we might add Aldous Huxley (Brave New World) and George Orwell (1984)

As I observe this administration I can't get rid of the vision of the Tasmanian Devil. A whirlwind of activity? absolutely, but to what end.

I keep hearing that the deficits being run up are not so bad, "everybody does it". "Look at Ronald Reagan, he doubled the national debt". BUT, his policies brought the Soviet Empire down as a direct result. Was that not worth the extra effort. Incidentally, the debt increase took 8 years.

"Look at George Bush, he doubled the national debt". BUT, his policies stopped any repeats of 9/11 on US soil and a successful war was fought against the IslamoFascists. Don't let anyone kid you that his policies did not "monkey wrench" a great deal of the Islam's most insidious plans.

What results have we seen or have we even been promised by "The One". More and more debt, finding ourselves on the "wrong side of the political spectrum", this according to "them".
The potential of One Party Rule by the Democrats until we do finally rebel. Taxation into a Grey world not dissimilar to that envisioned in the novel 1984.

I could go on and on but I hope you have already gotten my drift. If I may paraphrase, "Actions talk, Bulls**t walks. I can hardly wait to watch the mass exodus soon to occur in the District of Corruption.

PC is Thought Control
LEE


Bill, was it something I said? LOL

Three Dollar Bill:

You don't even sound like a true conservative. You sound like someone who is angry that we have a minority as president, if you get my drift.

No more free ride for you, good ole boy. Now you have to earn your passes.

Remember Clinton's First Year
He tried to do everything imaginable and 1994 happened. Obama is making Clinton look like a slacker with more horrific "foundational" changes. I can't wait for 2010. The only wild card is that Clinton didn't have Acorn.

Thanks Charles
You do have a way of telling it like it is. Your wisdom is very much appreciated in these uncertain times.

So He’s full of Crap. What’s New?
The American people don’t seem to give a damn.

In any case, they are too stupid to know the difference.

Gilberto
Bill probably has a real life you just pissed him off , so he went out to blow off some steam, and put you in past, but then again he could be outside somewhere cleaning his guns.

California Is The Model
I doesn't work in California so why not try it on the rest of the country. Sounds like a great idea to me. Lets mortgage our future to the Chinese. They will love Obama while they become our overlords.

Obama thinks we're still asleep. Let him. If you weren't at a tea party you won't understand.

2010 will be the test and with Charles using the word "hell" I think we've seen the awakening.

The sleeping giant is awake and it will end the madness soon enough. The battle has been joined.

More Smoke and Mirrors
A stock that was worth $50.00 a few years ago is now worth $1.00 if that stock bumps up a dollar that’s 100% gain WOW.

The high volume of stocks traded might have something to do with the lower cost of the stocks creating high volumes of trading not necessarily more money being invested.

Don’t trust these people don’t turn your back on them either.

Starve the beast and burn all the witches

Old Programmer-SC
I hope everybody who may have scrolled past Ur posting, or just gave a cursory look, will go back and READ EVERY WORD U wrote!!
I suppose it is possible that Ob & Co have thought all this through and know that the proposed levels of spending cannot be sustained, even in the short term..Those of us who are Retired Military/Govt Workers, etc will be allowed to accept ONE Type of Retirement only, no matter how many systems U have invested in..It's INEVITABLE CHEERS

Frankie's right French healthcare stinks
I employ a French national who constantly complains about French healthcare, education system, taxes and every other thing that is socialist about her country. It is sad/funny to listen to her go on and on about how great Obama is. Then she says she never wants to go back to france because it is so great here!
Unfortunately, she doesn't realize that what Obama aims to do is make the US just like France. She doesn't know enough to know that what makes the US so great is capitalism and the very things that Obama is trying to destroy.

For the sake of future generations
Frank.. never was capitalism at it’s most savage than when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the neocons were at the helm. Those were dark days for America and in all probability the start of the end of U.S.’s global dominance. All empires crumble in time and your grandchildren will experience a vastly different country to the one you are familiar with.
The author of this article should take this into account and work with Obama to gently ease America down from its pedestal.

NoBrand:

Capitalism is the most enlightened and least savage of all economic models.

G.W. Bush was a lousy president because he taxed and spent like a drunken Democrat.

Read "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith.

The Con
It seems that a very basic fact is either being ignored or a cover-up is in play and those who support the Obama plan should take note. A "CON" is only good as long as the victims do not realize what is happening to them. People in this country have figured out what is happening to them and they have begun to fight back. Different groups have come to different conclusions but they basically know they are being scammed by this administration. Again I stress that once the victims know they are being scammed the con is over. With most of the media trying to cover-up for the Obama administration while simultaneously calling foul names to those who oppose Obama's grand plan, much credibility is being lost. Basically the cat is out of the bag and no name calling or twisting the facts will stop the opposition simply because it is too late. What is so interesting as I watch this unfold is that "if" this new administration would have just slowed down and gradually pushed their agenda rather than push everything through at one time in a greedy manner, they probably would have experienced little opposition. Greed has killed the golden goose for both parties and the fallout will now be devastating to republicans as well as democrats. You are right on key Charles, such irony.

WAKE UP VOTERS & TAXPAYERS
Political change won't happen under the existing two party political systems. Members of both political parties are no longer different in governing philosophy and they have devalued our nation's constitution through deceptive tax legislation.

If you want change in our government it must come from a viable third party organization such as the "Constitution Party."

Those who currently represent us have recently enacted into law (TARP & STIMULUS) legislation requiring the continuation of an excessive tax burden that will not only be placed on us, but also on future generations.

Our nation's growing trillions of debt must be supported by taxes and this debt must be brought under control otherwise our nation will become nothing more than a BANKRUPT banana republic.

No faith in American voter
Most of the current members of Congress were in office during the S&L Bailout. THEY were to pass the legislation to PROTECT us from such a thing happening again. What did we get?

THEY PASSED THE LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWED THE BANKS TO BUNDLE BAD DEBTS BECAUSE THE BANKS HAD TO HAVE A MEANS OF HIDING THE BAD DEBTS FANNIE AND FREDDIE WERE CREATING.

G.H.W. Bush along with Schumer and Hoyer created this mess.

The fear tactic
Some very interesting reading this week in the report released by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano concerning "right wing" extremist groups and the threat to the nation. Once again we have another tactic used in hopes of quelling the opposition to the administration and its plans for the re-structure of America. Does anyone really believe that in this day and time that by using a street gang type fear tactic would give the administration control over those who dare to voice opposition to the current agenda would work? Americans for the most part are far more intelligent than that. How many Hollywood movies have most of seen at this point where the "bad guys" use this method of fear to control other gangs or public servants or both? Both Television and Internet have made even the simplest minded American much more sophisticated than ever before. It is only arrogance that would lead someone to think that he or she can always outsmart other people and stay one step ahead at all times. Sooner or later the people will put the pieces together, even if by accident. Those who have read the bible know that pride is mankind’s' downfall. Arrogance is the outward expression of too much pride.

Words from Sam Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

'nuff said.

What's sad is that the Repub's have been complicit in the ongoing destruction of America. THAT'S the reason for the "Tea Parties". None of the pols are listening to the voices of the American people.

Voices of the American People?
The voices of the people are saying that it is anyone but the people who made the rules that caused the current banking melt down.
Congress, the treasury department and the incestuous ties to the banking industry.

The voices of the people are saying that we can spend ANYTHING to save the planet regardless of contradicting logic. How much does it cost just to cut the grass around these wind generation farms? One wind generator takes x amount of maintenance how much would 1000 generators take? How much water will it take to keep mirrors cleaned in the middle of a stinking desert? Will Colorado build an aquaduct to provide California the water?
The voices of the American people are saying that schools which provide an education are not as important as the concept of seperation of church and state. A school here in Sac. was closed though 98% it's graduates went to college whereas the high school which produced a state football championship graduates 30% who do not read or do math at grade level. Harrah for freedom from religion.

Speaking of non-sequitors...

Krauty writes Obama said: "To make sure such a crisis (as we have today) never happens again," Obama proposes his radical health care, energy and education reforms, the central pillars of his social democratic agenda. But Obama's own words contradict this assertion. Notes The Washington Post: "But as his admirable summation of recent history made clear, these pursuits have little to do with the economic crisis, and they are not the key to economic recovery."

Krauty-boy, I know the facts are sometimes inconvenient for you folks, but the Washington Post's quote of Obama doesn't contradict "to make sure this never happens again." The context of each is referring to two different points in time--the future, and the Post's quote, which is about the present.

We need energy independence--and have to start working towards it to be secure. We need a healthcare system that doesn't leave our manufacturing jobs vulnerable to outsourcing to companies in other countries that don't have healthcare costs in the costs of their goods. And our education system is in the dark ages relative to how technologically-driven the world and our economy has become.

I don't think we want to or can afford to do the ostrich thing for another eight years.

Time to take our medicine and get some things done that have been set aside out of convenience for decades.

Tim Mr O can have it both ways with libs
Yes the Post can quote Obama saying they are not tied but if you'll listen to Obama he will also say they are and it is how we will meet the challenges of a new century.

The most surprising thing......
About Obama's game plan regarding healthcare is that the groups that support him the most; unions, teachers, gov't employees etc., already have the best healthcare in the world.

In order to complete his plans with health care he will have to 'lower the tide' with the benefits (which are way underfunded anyway) promised to this core base of traditional Dem voters. They will go from carte blanche service to the back of the line with everybody else.

Seriously folks, you don't really believe there is enough money to make 'their' health care exactly like yours? And flashing your voter registration card won't get you past that velvet rope.

Non-producers, illegal immigrants and lifetime welfare recipients will all recieve the same attention and care as those lifetime Democratic voters and Obama supporters who have worked hard all of their lives.

Talk about a 'Sting'.

And that's just to start. Wait until they see their pensions halved for the 'better good'.

Gilberto (Post 137) finally came out
of the closet...at least in part. Living in Texas (if that is really where he lives, I suspect his real name is Hugo Chavez) he would have to hide in the closet because Texans don't look favorably upon traitors.

Hugo Gilberto Chavez.....you obviously don't have any respect for those who make sacrifices for our freedom however, you ought to show some respect to your betters.

Rob AZ
Please don't beat up Gilberto the Communist too much.
It's always amusing to watch a typical troll like him enter the arena of ideas and finding out that he brought a knife to a gun fight.

Francenstein's monster
Obama plans to overhaul health care.

Trial lawyers are preparing for a fight. The American Medical Association says curbing the lawsuits is an absolute must for them in any health bill.

Trial lawyers are a major source of Democratic fund raising, and Republicans count doctors as major supporters.

Obama rarely talked about malpractice reform on the campaign trail.

French doctors earn less (average salary $55,000)

malpractice claims:
France has moved to an out-of-court , no fault system where the patient brings claims to their region’s government appointed review board, which decides the case and the compensation. While the French have a well-deserved reputation for being prickly, they don’t sue their doctors much at all.

The lawyers and doctors,
the lobbyists, will force congress to assemble the "body parts" of the French system that mirrors the work of Dr. Frankenstein.

Will we at least get rice cookers?
After Obama has lead us all to the brave new secular-socialist paradise (the one like his forefathers from Cuba and the USSR did) what will he do with all of his formerly useful idiots? You know, the ones who for years have been professional beggars and welfare check cashers; the ones who snivel that it is de-humanizing to expect them to work every time there is talk of welfare reform. The ones who were all recruited by ACORN to get out and vote for the new Messaiah.....There will come a time when their usefullness has expired and their support will no longer be required.

In all the other socialist paradises in the history of the planet where there was full employment and 100% voter turnout, people simply haven't been permitted to lay around and be addicted to drugs and alcohol, cash checks, and have babies without doing some kind of work for the state. What becomes of them when their vote is no longer needed? Will they be required to appear with the usual signs and placards extolling the virtues and heroism of the leader after being bussed to the "strength through joy" bonfires and rallies, and the stadiums for Messiah's public appearances?

And what about the rest of us who will fall into the category of the once productive, who at one time paid all the bills (the exploiters of the masses)? After we have been brought down to the appropriate level of poverty required by the state, I mean those of us who don't collaborate but manage to avoid the re-education camps, the qulags, and the insane asylums. Will we at least be given rice cookers to be used during that one hour in the day when electricity will be available?


Obama's lies
The big problem with Obama and his lies is that he continues to tell the same ones and the liberal news does not call him on the lies. He is a believer in the saying "If you tell a lie long enough it will become the truth".

Obama's lies and fantasys
Who is the bigger fool - the fool or the fools who follow him/her? How sad we've become a brain-washed, stars in our eyes nation. The U.N. would control our nation if they could and the President makes nice with our enemies. Have we learned nothing from history?

Banana Republic Blues
Opfor311,

I have bad news for you. With the third world banana republic economic policies now being pursued by this government we are going to experience something a lot worse than a malaise.

Obama is an elitist left-winger
How did this guy get elected?

I'll never understand it!

Liars Figure!
What’s that old saying - ‘figures don’t lie but liars’ figure?!’-- or something like that? God Himself may have to save us economically. I don’t know what else will.

YLWWGUTI
yOU LOST WE WON GET USED TO IT. i N 8 YEARS YOU WONT RECOGNIZE THIS COUNTRY

Obama nation(al)
I'll keep this simple, be afraid be very afraid.
_____________________
I hope he does not read that book Hugo Chavez gave him the other day or Krauthammer C, will be working for the gov. and the oil industry will be known as Obama Oil and the TV networks will be called 'Hope & Change', available on HD though.
Has this guy been in DC overnight yet, what is with all the travel?

What foundation?
Obama could have not labeled his plans any better..we are going from a solid bed-rock Constiutional foundation to a shifting one made of quick-aand...and all you have to do is look at all the failed attempts at socialism (including California) to see where we are going.

Oh, and by the way Donald...you are right..if you get 8 years we WILL NOT recognize this country..because it will NOT be a country anymore..or at least what our Founding Fathers wanted it to be. And little boy, it is not about who won, it is about what we need to preserve; and if you knew ANYTHING about the true foundation of our country, you would be concerned too. But hey, you are an average Obamaite with the single-digit maturity level.

So go ahead, call your names and play the na-na-na-na-naaa naaa game. And please, dust your feet when you leave the sandbox to go in for supper...

"By Jove,I Think We've 'GOT' It Now"!!!
Sailing under the radar of all that is "The Obama Administration",at its core, is the boundless arrogance. Liberal/Progressives seem to "think" that they have tweaked Socialist properties that have failed in the past, and made the adjustments that will make it successful "now". I see a new twist on "The Emperor's New Cloths". There isn't even a proclaimation. You are a "fool" if you disagree with their proposals,thus,there is no need to even address your concerns. At the same time Obama and his "Spinmiesters" are telling everyone else in the world, "He is 'listening'".
It seems clear to me that he is willing to listen to Dictators, Socialists,Monarchies,Fascists and the like,but not the citizens of these United States. Is he looking for "pointers"?
Perhaps he has a point. The "fools" in this country bought into his "Change & Hope" without listening. He's tapped out his "socialist" contributors here in the US. He now is seeking "tips" from around the world to "tweak" into this system.

The one thing
I think that the President DOES plan on reducing government spending through universal healthcare. The catch is that limiting health care costs in that scenario will mean limiting healthcare, period. I think his plan is to ration healthcare. It certainly fits with holding to an ideal of equality; everyone will get the same limited healthcare, regardless of their ability to pay for the care they might want for themselves.

Means Testing!
I liked this article and the comments by the Old Programmer: Severe means testing is the way to go...

We Don't Want Your Commie Foundation!
Keep your socialism to yourself.

Did everyone see how Obama got punked by Chavez? The little punk couldn't even stand up for himself or America, all he could do was grin a little sissy grin and take the book. Chavez knows it and the Castros know it. What a loser.

More Like The 8th Wonder Of The World


When one listens to Obama talk about how he plans to install a new regulatory framework to prevent a boom and bust economy is laughable.

Lenin and Stalin attempted to do exactly that and failed because they could not collectively control through a centralized government... Mother Nature's destructive vengeful weapon of ... drought and famine. In fact, the local "politburo" had a hard time reigning in the boom-bust nature of Mother Nature.

And, down in Louisiana, we see the exact same thing. Now, I can tell you where I hope to be in August, but I may be back in Dallas for the third time in three years because of a hurricane. And, I might have to spend months or years "recovering".

If Obama manages to steer all hurricanes back out into the Atlantic Ocean, I will consider him the Eight Wonder Of The World.

donald, MN
YLWWGUTI
yOU LOST WE WON GET USED TO IT. i N 8 YEARS YOU WONT RECOGNIZE THIS COUNTRY"


I am going to use upper-case, lower-case SENTENCE STRUCTURE to explain it to you...

At the rate we are going, in 8 years the issue will not be what has been "won", but what has been "lost".

You Obamamites don't understand that freedom costs more than just money and isn't pre-packaged in a Frito's bag. Our Constitution is stained in blood, not corn oil.
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