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Wednesday, August 06, 2008
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Supporters for $10 Gas
by Amanda Carpenter
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A Washington-based anti-tax advocacy videotaped supporters of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign who support $10 per gallon gas during a protest stand-off Tuesday.

Video here.

Ed Frank, vice president of public affairs for Americans for Prosperity, spoke to Obama supporters during an event organized on Capitol Hill by liberally-leaning MoveOn.org. According to an email MoveOn emailed to supporters the event was designed to “highlight the GOP’s extensive ties to Big Oil.”

There, AFP members handed MoveOn supporters a mock $8 bill and said “this is what Al Gore wants you to pay for gas.”

An older man dressed in an Obama shirt said, “This is too cheap! This is too cheap!” Waving the eight dollar bill he said, “Let’s get it up to ten! Let’s get it up to ten bucks.”

Frank asked the man, “How do you think that will affect the single mom who needs to fill up her minivan?”

The Obama-supporter replied, “A single mom probably doesn’t need a minivan.”

Another man, wearing an Obama pin, told Frank, “I’m hoping we have less supply and more demand, absolutely” because “then people won’t be able to afford it.”

AFP spoke to these Obama supporters at the counter-protest they held to combat MoveOn at the Capitol. AFP sought to rally support for a straight up or down vote on offshore drilling, a measure House Republicans are calling for on the House floor over August recess.

"The people at this rally made the mistake of telling the truth about the left's energy policy,” Frank told Townhall in an email. “From the ban on American oil drilling to proposed global warming legislation, the entire point is to drive up the cost of oil and gas so Americans are forced against their will to use alternative energy sources that by and large aren't viable. I only wish the politicians they support were as honest with the American people about their true goals."

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Amanda Carpenter is the author of “The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy's Dossier on Hillary Clinton,” published in October 2006.
 
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Democrats
If the people of this country elect a Democratic president and Congress we will see gas hit the $10 a gallon. Even though the Democrats say they are for the poor their policies continually hurt the poor and middle class.

GREAT POST
Thanks, Amanda. This is a great post. How compassionate that they don't care about the single mom with a minivan. Excellent reasoned response also. lol Keep exposing these trust fund frauds and their useful idiots.

Thanks Amanda...
...for putting a face on what "white trash" MORON's (a/k/a moonbats) look like.

how ridiculous
i could say that mccain supporters support semi-nude beauty contests and it would be just as true.

john mccain volunteered his wife as an entry in the "miss buffalo chip" pageant at the hells angels biker rally in south dakato yesterday.

the "miss buffalo chip" contest features topless dancing with bananas.

just because someone is a supporter does not mean the candidate agrees.

although "guilt by association" seems to be a republican mantra now days.

kimberly
thanks

keep doing what you are doing.

i know you get some rough treatment sometimes here but stay civil and respectful and if nothing else, at least others are reading and reacting to your thoughts and that is a good thing.

Congressman Engel (D-NY)
Last night while being interviewed by Neil Cavuto -

Cavuto - "What do you say to Americans trying to put gas in their Caravans who are being forced to choose between..."

Engel - "They'll have to get rid of their Caravans and buy smaller cars."

A Caravan is a Mini-Van made by Dodge for families.
Just a thought but maybe we should start by telling Members of Congress they can no longer lease Lincoln Continentals (Charles Rangel, D - NY) or SUV's (many, many others) and will only be allowed to lease TINY, FUEL EFFICIENT cars!!

AND oh yeah, THEY will be paying for their own gasoline too...I can barely afford my own let alone THEIR GAS TAB TOO!!!
Technically, WE are paying around EIGHT BUCKS A GALLON ALREADY when you factor in THEIR GAS!!


W/O=

Do you need more proof?
Opposing an increase in supply (Obama/Pelosi/Reid) is the same as supporting an increase in price. Besides, the GOP actually asked the Dim leadership before the House adjourned how much it would take for the gas prices to get high enough for the Dims to allow a vote on drilling. $10/gallon was still too low.

Great for McCain
The ignorance of the Kool-Aid drinkers is astounding. The people mentioned in this article represent the 30% of the Socialist who have gone over to the dark side (Extremest).
The polling reflects between 72% to 75% of the American people wanting to drill for more oil. Approximately 50% of the country leans right and approximately 50% lean left. So, it would appear that approximately 20% of the Democrats have come over to the light side and want to drill. When you start talking about $8 to $10/gal gas, we will see more converts and we will see voting cross-overs as well.
Keep going MoveOn.
One other unintended consequence, this will wise people up on both sides that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud.

Keep up the good work MoveOn! We love it, McCain loves it and those rascally Oil Big Companies love it.

Kim - C-Lib....

The DIFFERENCE is McCain was obviously JOKING. These ranting loons calling for $10/gallon and telling the single-mom she "probably doens't need a mini-van" were quite serious.

Who knew the progressive party was made up of Vegans? No red meat... just fruits and nuts.

Uh Kimmie #6
Yes, I'm so sorry Hillary is a "Beach," face it
Kimmie, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear..we can spot a "Beech" when we see one.

The arrogance of these people is mindboggling and the stupidity of their cult followers is
amazing. What amazingly selfish people they are. Engel..They'll have to get rid of their Caravan...a.k.a. Let them eat cake.

I called my useless idiot representatives home
office and did some fishing. You can tell when
they are dodging a question, the aides will tell
you they aren't a liberty to tell us where the
congressman stands on an issue. I told his
aide she answered my question. He's one of
RED Nancy's vulerable ones and I told her I knew he had "Permission" from RED Nancy. I let her know I wasn't happy about the five weeks vacation and she said he's not on vacation and
ya' think I believed her? We have a whole town
that's almost out of work because a paper mill
closed down..not just the mill workers but the
business's supporting them are hurt. The reason given..oil prices. He's supposedly meeting with the workers today, I hope they
give him the raspberries. We'll see tomorrow whether the people in that town are Abe Lincolns
people who aren't fooled or easily fooled.

We've got a good conservative running against him.

christianlib
Wouldn't your Kudos to Kim actually have been more truthful, more 'christian' if you had said -

"Others are EITHER SKIPPING or RIDICULING your EVERY WORTHLESS thought"

Just wondering.


W/O=

ex-wyomingite
i see you are in one of your fierce modes today.

i was not really talking partisan here, just trying to say that using so-called supporters to tarnish the candidate is just absurd.

you and i could walk the streets of LA and find all kinds of nuts who support either mccain or obama.

this does not mean they represent any point of view of either man.

it just means they are nuts.

just like the so-called obama supporters.


i am sans pareil
actually no

but it is taking all my Christian charity to not insult you for trying to use an authentic and sincere post of mine to continue trashing another person,

simply because they have a different point of view than you.

For taxes?
Obama's been talking about the need to raise taxes, the Democrats want more taxes. The higher the price of gasoline per gallon, the more the proportionate federal tax would be.
Therefore, generating a higher price per gallon may cause some reduction in gasoline use, but the take on taxes, over the $2.25 per gal. price a year ago, would actually serve as a tax increase Obama's not mentioning. No wonder they're against drilling now. In any case, the Democrats are intent on increasing taxes however they can, and gasoline could be another avenue to do so.

......
I hope all liberals lose their jobs due to the economic crunch caused by exorbitant fuel and energy prices. If there were any justice liberals would be unemployed and starving in the streets.

To those who think this isn't
...... refelctive of Obama's policy, just remember not to long ago Barry stated he wasn't upset with $4 gas, just that it got there too quickly, and didn't give American's a chance to "adjust".

I expect $1 gallon or less.
I expect increasing domestic oil supply to bring the price of gas down to $1 per gallon or less.

We will just need to keep cleaning out Congress until they comply.

The supply of unemployed democratic congressmen and congresswomen is going to go up and the demand for them is going to go down.

And the $10 per gallon crowd are not worth worrying about.










Lets get BIG OIL
If Big Oil is making all those record profits because of record crude prices, why don't the dems want to stick it to Big Oil by increseing the supply, therefore reducing the price of crude?

Of course, we know its the Speculators that are doing it to us, but wouldn't increased production burst the speculator's bubble.

Seems increased supply (by drilling here) would serve the demo's purpose quite nicely.

......
What’s amazing is these liberal miscreants in congress who cannot deliver a sensible energy policy want to nationalize the oil companies and healthcare industry. These jackasses couldn’t run a hotdog stand profitably. If liberals were to control healthcare we’d have a shortage of aspirin and penicillin.

Every time I read this website and comments from the liberal troglodytes I’m reminded why I will never hire a liberal.

Obama's gas-saving plan all hype....
Obama's advice re: "tune-ups and tire inflation" tells me he doesn't drive much in the first place. Autos are just another subject Obama knows nothing about. But, his advice can cause some people great harm. I know there'll be drivers who'll now overinflate their tires.(more is better syndrome) Hopefully, they won't kill themselves, or others, due to high-speed blowouts, planing on wet surfaces, etc. Overinflating also causes the tire to quickly wear out in the center. So, no economy would be realized anyway. You'll just buy tires more often. It takes about 8 quarts of oil to manufacture each tire.
What is overinflated is Obama's ego, and he can't do much about it. That's the way he is.
Insofar as tuneups, they really haven't been necessary since about the 1985 models. Not many of us drive '69 Chevys with underinflated tires! Usually,at 100,000 miles,an owner will need to replace his sparkplugs, and have his car serviced according to the factory recommendations. His service manual advises proper service at certain mileage intervals. Obama has no clue, he needed a talking point to pontificate. An area hardly mentioned is; Keep your emissions system clean and operating (if your state requires emissions control), change your air cleaner or keep it clean, depending on where and how you drive. If you don't look after them, gas mileage will decrease.
None of the above will replace drilling for our own resources now, but your car may run better.

ex-wyomingite
you are truely superb at back handed compliments but i will accept it as a positive because i have gotten to know you.

i defended kimberly because i did not see her throwing back the insults and if you notice i told her not to.

from time to time i will say something to fellow liberals if they get too nasty, but i haven't seen that out of kimberly today.

as far as my political stances, right back at you.

i respect you alot but sometimes you are too cynical and entrenched in conservative orthodoxy.

maybe that is why we communicate so well as i tend to overly optimistic and rebel against most orthodoxy including the liberal version.

its a strange irony but there seems to be a balance between us that allows each other to see the others perspective.

i don't want to get too deep here but we kind of keep each other honest.

well, my office time is up, i have to start checking job sites to make sure my people are doing what they are supposed to and not getting drunk and falling off roofs.

Hang on, ex-Wyomingite...
Don't be hating on ex-cheerleaders. My 19-year-old daughter is a former high school and college cheerleader (until she was injured last year). She is extremely intelligent, polite, well-read and conservative. And guess what? So are many of her former teammates.

That said, Amanda is on target. No one is painting Mr. Obama with an unfair brush. If the truth were known, I guarantee he would love to see $10 a gallon gas.

Inflating Tires
Many companies with large fleet of vehicles inflate the tires above the recommended manufacture tire pressure. Savings of 5 to 10% are common. Personally I inflate the tires 2 to 3 psi above "recommended" tire pressure. I see about a 5% increase on combined city and highway driving mpg. With some tires there is less of a margin to increase as there is a potential for a blowout if you go to high. Also handling and braking may be effected.

I believe that the only way to permanently lower gasoline prices is to lower demand. The American public has no control over the world supply of oil. The amount of oil available on the market is based on what oil producers decide to make available. Even a 2% increase in domestic oil production (which would improve our balance of trade) could be offset by a 2% drop in production from OPEC. It will take perhaps 5 to 10 years to increase domestic production to add 2% to the world supply of crude. The US uses 25% of the oil in the world. I think Obama's air tire pressure proposal could produce a significant drop in US gasoline demand within a few weeks, on the order of 4%. Based on the analysis of Chairman Bernecke (1% drop in world demand results in 10% drop in crude) this could reduce the global price of oil by 10% or $12 a barrel. Not bad for a little air in your tires.

Why is it....
that in all the states with highest cost of living, highest state taxes, that these are Democrat majority states? And, the people living in those states justify the pain of paying through the nose and want the rest of the country to follow suit. I recently visited some cousins in CT, they profess to detest Communism and/or Socialism, but they're fully on board for high taxes (which they pay anyway in CT)costly government hand-out programs, big, big, government, and they think they're helping the poor merely by supporting them with tax dollars (welfare).I think that resembles Socialism, yes? They're social snobs who have the lowest expectations for the poor and minorities, and they haven't considered helping to develop initiative and vocational training for these people, so they, the poor, would have self-respect and the knowledge that they can support themselves.
Now, these folks I visited in CT are very comfortably fixed, not limousine liberals, but how about BMW & Lexus libs? :):) Oh sure, they're voting for Obama. It's Connecticutt!

Sorry WFalicoff, but...
Mr. Obama's "inflate your tires" comments are just too Carteresque for my taste. Who can forget that nitwit Jimmy Carter, at a time of similar energy pain, coming on tv and telling us to turn down the heat, put on our sweaters, etc. Reality is that only increased supply coupled and/or reduced demand will effect a real reduction in price. In the interim, merely the threat of bringing more oil to market has given us a tiny bit of relief. Now we need to take steps to make that happen.

Wait a minute
WFalicoff said:

a 1% drop in demand for gas results in a 10% drop in demand for crude.

That makes no sense.
A 1 gallon drop in oil could result in a 10 gallon drop in crude, but the percentages would still be identical.

Say it takes 10 gal of crude to make 1 gal fuel. Sop we demand 100 gal gas and 1000 gal crude. 1% of gas is 1 gal. But that results in 10 gal crude demand drop. But that is still 1% of demand.

Since it is a fixed ratio, the percentage would always be the same.

Makes no sense.

Supply and Demand
As far as I can tell neither candidate has proposed anything real to lower gasoline prices in the short term. By short term I mean in the next few years.

McCain's demand for drilling on the OCS is a plan that may bring in some new oil in 8 to 10 years. Same would be true of ANWR if McCain supported that. In both cases the impact on world oil prices will be minimal. His 40, or whatever number, of new nuclear plants for electricity is by his own plan decades away.

Obama on the other hand proposes greater investment in wind, solar and natural gas. Along with drilling on the OCS and nuclear if they are part of a "comprehensive energy plan" enacted by congress. He also proposed swapping out light sweet oil from the SPR for heavier crude suggesting this would lower gas and heating oil prices. I don't think it really would.

No one mentions coal much, though we have an abundant supply of it and technology for sequestering carbon is supposedly on the near horizon. However no one has built any pilot plant showing the technology works on a commercial scale.

The truth seems to be that no one has a short term answer to increasing the supply of oil. Therefore price will be driven primarily by demand in the short run. Recently oil prices have gone down because of reduced demand, but not very much. $118 is still a high pice.

If I lived in the northeast or other cold location in the country I think I would be more worried about heating oil prices than gasoline this winter. If I depended on oil for heat I would be looking to rip it out and replace it with natural gas if I could. I bet a lot of people are buying coal and wood stoves these days, too.

WFalicof & Co.
"Based on the analysis of Chairman Bernecke (1% drop in world demand results in 10% drop in crude) "
It should now be fairly obvious that Fed Chairman Bernanke is not an oilman. I was one, worked for a major oil company for about 9 years back in the roaring 1980's. Here's a little help: even reducing the demand for gasoline 1% might not reduce the demand for crude at all. ALL THE OTHER crude oil products (kerosene, Avjet, asphalt, lubricating oils, petroleum derivatives for plastics, Bunker C oil for ship fuel, etc.) would also have to go down at the same time! Here's something else to chew on: gasoline is made of the medium to smaller molecules in a crude barrel, things like octane, nonane, decane and such, plus aromatic (unsaturated molecules) produced in special catalytic processes (like catalytic reforming). Further, you can leave atmospheric gas oil alone, or you can run it through an FCC (fluid catalytic cracker) and make it into gasoline, increasing the gasoline "yield" per barrel of crude. Increasing gas prices make it more economical to process gas oil into gasoline, driving down the number of barrels required. Gasoline refining is an art, where the source of crude (Arab Sweet Light versus Maya, almost pure tar / asphalt), the cost you paid to get it, the demand for individual products, the price you can get for them and the costs to create them from black goo all must be balanced to create the greatest possible profit while leaving no customers unserved (lest they go to the competition!).
As we write, the price of oil is dropping, today I think it was $118 / barrel? Without any obvious action by government except Bush's offshore drilling ban lift, but I did hear a report that we used a lot less gasoline due to $4.00+ / gallon prices. Supply and demand, anyone?

Single Moms anbd Mini Vans
I was appalled to read the comment that "Single Mom's don't need mini vans". You are right..we need "wives" to help support us financially, emotionally and physically to raise the kids that we are doing ON OUR OWN with no help from the dead beat dads.
OK, I guess maybe he's right, we don't need mini vans...we need HELP.

$10 a gallon
terrific! Obama and his supporters do not understand the importance of petroleum to the US economy - we do not only need oil to operate our automobiles - that is actually only one of the many, many markets for the product. Obama says in 10 years we can have 1 million electric cars on the road - that is a very insignificant number compared to the vehicles we operate today - let alone 10 years from now.
The man does not get it - any of it.
High oil prices have an almost instant negative impact on our economy. Obama is a socialist and he wants to take our country down a peg - his supporters obviously want to do the same.

Slacker
Short-term measures to drive down the cost of gasoline? I might be able to think of a few:
1) Streamline the environmental permitting process and build a few new refineries. I did NOT say "pollute at will, and devil take the hindmost"! But it should not take YEARS to permit a new refinery, if the attainment district can support one; don't build them in NY, NJ or CA, but perhaps Alaska or Maine, or other places that need jobs and can support them.
2) California has passed laws that require special blends of gasoline, used nowhere else. This builds inefficiency into the supply side, as tanks, pipelines and terminals must be dedicated to moving and storing unique blends instead of generic unleaded gasoline. Special runs to create these special blends must be scheduled into refinery operations, and take time to transition into / out of production. If California could use gasoline like the rest of us use, this would help somewhat.
3) Buy stocks and bonds from oil companies; if they have capitalization, they can drill more and pump more. I'm not saying they are poor, but they do pay dividends and compete with each other; also, smaller oil companies usually need more cash to compete with the big boys.
There are probably more and better ideas out there, but these come to mind first.

James
I don't think your suggestions will make any difference in the short term either, any more than McCain's or Obama's will.

1. INCREASING REFINING CAPACITY
Might help, but I do NOT think it is a short term solution. It takes many years to build a refinery according to the chief economist of a refinery company: ---
"If you were to ask us to go build a brand new refinery anywhere in the world, I would tell you you'd be lucky to have it up and running in six or seven years," Westfall says. "And then you'd need 10 to 15 years of today's margins to pay it back. So building a new refinery is a 20-year bet that margins are going to remain very high."
- Interview with Lynn Westfall
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105544 71

CHANGING LAWS IN CALIFORNIA
I doubt even with gasoline prices at 4.00 plus the state of california is going to change its environmental and other laws very soon. No matter who is elected President, this would be a state legislature and governor position the President could attempt to influence but would have no direct control over. Given what I know about Calif. politics I would not expect anything to happen in the next few years.

BUY STOCKS AND BONDS FROM OIL COMPANIES
I am sure the mutual funds in all our 401k plans etc own oil stocks already. And people are free to buy individual stocks if they wish. However it is only sane to do this if it is a good investment decision for you, not to do your part to help resolve the oil crisis. Anyway, this is not something the President has any influence over. At least I hope not. Furthermore, oil companies invest in drilling for oil in the expectations of making a profit, not based on their current stock valuation. If they don't think they can make a decent profit they will invest somewhere else, like buying their own stock back to drive the price and dividends even higher.

Andrews
I am not planning to defend Chairman Bernecke. Perhaps he meant a 1% drop in demand for crude result in a 10% drop in the price of crude. Then there might be a different ratio for a 1% drop in the demand for gasoline.

It should be obvious that a drop in demand for gasoline will (unless there is a monopoly or gas prices are fixed by government mandate) prices should drop.

My assertion is that it is easier for the American public to change demand than supply. Does someone here disagree with this premise?

christianlib/kimberly
You two need to get a room. Preferably a padded one. At least try to put some facts into your posts... please.

James
Thank you for the information on production of oil. I am an not saying Bernecke is correct, but am merely quoting him. It appears that no one knows why the price of oil went up to $140+ a barrel. Some say it is high demand, while others say it is speculation. OPEC made several statements with regard to the price saying that $80 was the target price they expected based on current world supply and demand. My premise is this. The American public cannot directly change supply, only demand. Oil producers are the gatekeepers of the oil. They can turn the spigot on and off as they like. They are not charities. Unless it is in their best interest to increase production they have no incentive to do it.

The bottom line is we need to reduce demand.

James
I have one more suggestion:

Looser restrictions on coal, especially on sulfur content. If we can substitute coal for natural gas and oil, we free those up for more urgent uses. Coal is relatively cheap and abundant, so increasing our supply of coal is relatively easy, and it is a perfect substitute for oil and natural gas in many contexts.

W. Falicoff
But don't you see how stupid the statement is? If a 1% reduction in demand for fuel results in a 10% reduction in the demand for crude, we could get 90% of our current fuel using no crude at all! That makes no sense whatsoever.

And the idea we can't increase supply is dogma, not fact. We CAN increase supply, we simply lack the patience to do so. And obstructionists have kept us from doing so for the past many years, which is why any new wells will now take some time to get online. If we had drilled in ANWR when the topic first came up in congress we would be close to having producing wells now.

Saying "We can't drill our way to more oil" is like saying "We can't farm our way to more food", just gibberish which makes a good bumper sticker for the faithful.

James: Build More Refineries
We currently have sufficient refinery capacity in the US to meet demands. Granted if there is catostrophe (hurriane, earthquake) the supply and demand balance will be effected. We are, however, not seeing the lines of cars as occurred in the 1970s under Ford and Carter. There really was a shortage of gasoline then. From what I have heard it is not in the economic interest of oil companies to build new refineries. Take Exxon Mobil for example, their refinery business makes only a small portion of their profit. Oil companies don't want to spend billions of dollars on new refineries as the payback cannot be justified. That is the truth.

W Falicoff
Your refinery argument is silly as well. Without refineries, the product has no consumer demand. So how will they sell their oil if it is not refined.

Let me make an analogy. I run a restaurant. I notice the desserts make much higher profits than the entrees. So I decide to do away with appetizers and entrees and just have desserts. I should make a killing.

Instead no one comes in.

A restaurant without entrees just doesn't work. Nor does an oil industry without refineries to make end product for consumers.

So they will spend on refineries, as without them none of that oil is worth a dime. No one uses crude. (Except refineries.)

One more error
You also say:

It appears that no one knows why the price of oil went up to $140+ a barrel. Some say it is high demand, while others say it is speculation.

Well, that isn't quite true. I can say "No one knows where babies come from. Some say it is intercourse, others blame storks." That doesn't mean storks bring babies, or even that we don't know.

Speculators make a convenient excuse for politicians who have obstructed new drilling and new infrastructure, but the truth is speculators follow trends, they don't create them. They raise prices when there is a rising trend, and lower them as that trend nears the peak, they serve a leveling function in futures markets. To blame them for rises is good demagoguery, but bad economics, it just isn't true.

The rises in prices is the combination of many factors. Demand from India and China, the slow down of aging infrastructure and corruption in Mexico,. Chavez's takeover of Venezuela, the war in Iraq, and some cartel profiteering by OPEC. Speculators aren't even on the radar.

But no one will believe me, too easy to blame those darn evil speculators. It must be nice to find a scapegoat to put a human face on everything that displeases you. Unfortunately, it doesn't make it true.

Figures...
By any means necessary.

I pray Obama is smarter than this.

Come on people!
Lets get a grip here, these people are on the fringe for a reason...this is where Lil Kimmy comes from, witness and know.

No reason to use coarse language.

The rest of us sensible folks know when the people hear about stuff like this it only gives support to McCain.

Good column.

Andrews
First, I never stated we don't need any refineries. I said that refinery capacity for the US currently meets demands. If you would like to dispute this please go ahead. But please don't misquote what I said.

Secondly, I did not blame speculators or oil producers for the price of oil. My point is simple-- it is easier for the American public to have an effect on oil demand versus oil supply. If the US proposes to outright own the oil production that of course is a different scenario as at least the voter could potentially put pressure on the government to produce more oil. This is not the case with the US as our government gave up its ownership of major oil fields (the old Naval Oil reserve fields for example) some time ago. When we lease land out there are no provisions that the companies must produce oil at a certain volume within a certain period of time. When my company licenses out technology we do so with strings attached. Basically, this mindless mantra to drill, drill and drill, provides no strings attached, other than some potential incomes to the government, if the company actually takes oil of the ground and sells it.

I repeat there is no surety that more drilling in the US will lower oil prices in the short term (psychological effect) or long term (small increase in world supply).

By the way to all those who like to denigrate President Carter, it was in his administration that the Department of Energy was established. Reagan proposed it should be eliminated. I think Carter's judgment was better than Reagan on this issue.

Its not far fetched...
...when you have a lib Speak of the House who won't debate! Or let anyone else for that matter! Is she "just some supporter"?

Its like hiring a lifeguard who refuses to get wet.

Its very reasonable to assume that the Dems candidate most likely supports this stuff.

In the words of the great one, lets "hope" not.


W Falicoof
Are you seriously saying greater supply will not reduce prices? You are arguing that you know better than three centuries of economic thought?

If there is more oil, whether sold here or abroad, world price drops and oil is cheaper. It is not rocket science. If we drill, we have more oil, price drops. Simple.

And exactly what has the DoE done to make you think it was EVER a good idea?


Sorry
Typo in your name. Not intentional. Just my mediocre typing skills becoming obvious.

Sorry about that.

One More Thing
Unless price overseas is MUCH higher than here, domestic oil is cheaper to sell here to save transport costs.

Alaska is a special case, as it is actually closer to Japanese refineries than US refineries. Drilling off shore will not have similar conditions.

So the fear that oil drilled here will all flow overseas seems pretty far fetched. If there is still unsatisfied demand in the US and foreign buyers don't bid much higher, it will stay here for simple economic reasons.

Last One
You propose production requirements form oil leases. Problem is, many leases are for unproven land. So, if the land proves to have no oil, how exactly do they drill and produce oil?

The problem is, leases don't mean there is proven oil. Sometimes yes, but much more often land is leased in order to do exploratory drilling. And sometimes the predictions are wrong and land has less oil, or none. So what would you do then? Sue the companies for being wrong?

You have really bought into the left wing rhetoric about oil companies getting rich by sitting on leases and not producing.

Yeah, think I will follow that plan myself. If I quit my job and don't work, I am sure I will get quite rich...

Andrews
You state: "Are you seriously saying greater supply will not reduce prices?" No I said that the American public does not have the ability to control supply. This is after all the purview of the oil producers. Saudi Arabia decides how much oil it wishes to produce. It adjusts this based to some extent on geo-politics and on demand. The US public does not control the supply of oil from Saudi Arabia. It has an indirect effect on production by its demand.

You state: "If there is more oil, whether sold here or abroad, world price drops and oil is cheaper. It is not rocket science. If we drill, we have more oil, price drops. Simple." No you are not correct. Many businesses which have monopolies do not follow this rule. For example, De Beers artificially raises the price of diamonds by restricting the quantity of diamonds that come on the market. They have internally huge reserves. Oil cartels can operate very similarly if they choose. The amount of oil reserves in the US is not sufficient to make a serious dent on the price of oil. Also, there is little incentive for domestic oil producers to sell its crude for below the world price. This is why much of our crude is sold to Japan. I repeat us oil companies are not charities.

You state: "And exactly what has the DoE done to make you think it was EVER a good idea?" They have helped in the development of many new technologies including solid state lighting (now 15 times more efficient than incandescent lamps), solar electricity generation (see the Solar American Initiative) and wind energy systems, to name a few. Reagan was clearly wrong and his energy policies set us back at least decade in the development of high performance low cost photovoltaics and other alternative energy systems.

W Falicoff
Who has a monopoly on oil? What single company owns all the oil in the world? Or even in a single market? Even the OPEC cartel does not control the market, they simply have a large enough share to partly cartelize the amrket.

Sorry, oil is not even close to an oligopoly, much less a monopoly.

By the way, most of your DoE "accomplishments" were private ventures the DoE just took credit for "encouraging". Others were non-economic efforts the DoE undertook despite no market interest.

Sorry, the DoE is a massive boondoggle and waste of funds.

Also
Reagan was RIGHT in removing price controls on oil, which would have revived the US oil industry had the eco-pressure groups not cut off that possibility after we got the one victory of Alaska.

And as far as nuclear, by killing the reprocessing centers, Carter created our modern waste disposal problems. Recycling nuclear fuel would have solved 75-80% of that issue, but Carter killed it.

Sorry, Carter was a joke and DoE is a waste. Try again.

WFallicoff
thank you so much for your precise and sophisticated posts.

i tried to make similiar points earlier on this thread and was told i didn't know what i was talking about.

i am certain we don't agree on everything but basically your comment on America not being able to control supply, hence, control the price is the key.

which, of course, means that depressing demand is the way we have to go to try and influence the market.

which logically means innovation and new directions is the real answer.

i am not against drilling (although it should be a state by state decision)but....

we are America, we can do anything.

lets improve the technology we have and invent new technology and let the world have to catch up to us.

at any rate, yours is the most clear-headed real world assessment i have seen on this subject.

Andrews
OPEC controls 40% of the oil. They can easily move the price up and down by adjusting production by a few percent.

DOE sponsored programs have yielded significant breakthroughs in several technologies. They don't supply all the money or the technology but they certainly help. I am familiar with the programs in solid state lighting and concentrating photovoltaic electricity production . I also was involved in the earliest wind farms in the US (Zond Systems, Tehachapi, Ca now called GE Wind). I think I am in a good position to say what DOE has done or not done in these fields. What are your qualifications?

Solar research was really started under Carter especially under the direction of SERI (Now called NREL). Reagan ripped the solar panels off the Whitehouse and reneged on congressionally approved funds for the purchase of photovoltaic panels for the US government. If memory serves me correctly he also reduced the budget for SERI and eliminated the solar tax credits. He was not a alternative energy visionary, that is for sure. Certainly he was no friend of alternative energy technologies.

History will decide what role the DOE played in the development of advanced energy technologies. As an insider in several of the fields, I think historians will look back favorably at this agency's contributions. Your opinion frankly doesn't mean much to me. You don't back it up with any specifics. Lots of talk and no facts. Care to debate me on the impact of DOE sponsored programs on the development of solid state lighting?


W Falicoff
40% of market hardly a monopoly makes. What about the other 60%? Does the 40% somehow control the 60? I think not. You are not making sense on your claims of monopoly.

Also, how would dumping OPEC's reserves make prices HIGH? It would lower prices would it not? And if they aren't dumping them, why mention them?

Lastly, as far as what DoE did, so what? Have you read Bastiat? "What is seen and what is hidden"? Just because the government did X, how much more could that money have done in private hands? Sorry, but you are not selling me on the Doe because they advanced solid state lighting. So what? How much did they spend? How much more than a private venture?

And if it is so great, why did no private venture do it? You sound like those who insist a state must build a stadium to get business, ignoring the fact that if a stadium were that profitable, the state wouldn't have to pay to build it.


Really my last post
By the way, you do realize that part of the reason OPEC controls so much of the world's oil is precisely because people argue "we can only control demand" and prevent us from drilling? If we had been drilling all along, since the 70's, when price controls stopped exploration, and after when eco-laws did. If we had drilled that whole time, OPEC might control only 30% or even 20%. In fact, with such a minor share, the cartel might no longer exist at all.

In other words, the position you adopt is a big part of the reason OPEC can command such a large share of the market.

And with that, I have to stop posting for the evening.

Obama's energy plan...
I’m changing my mind and now will support Obama and the Democrats' energy policy because I prefer owning and getting around on horses rather than cars…

Obama Supporters for $10 Gas
Boy, does that sound desperate. So what? Does anyone seriously believe his supporters want that? Are we voting for his supporters? When it comes right down to it, too many conservatives are die-hard Republicans. We probably will get higher gas with Obama, unless these Liberals have learned something about free enterprise, which I doubt.

Let the Dems
continue with this absurdity until November. Obama and liberals will have to resort to how the Republicans cheated to win the election. More than likely I fear, Dems will flip flop on the issue (until elected), then continue to hose the fine citizens of this country.

To those Drill here now morons
The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.


http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

Go ahead and bash your own Govt.

BTW Why are the characters like Jimp, andrews etc jumping up down ? Last time I checked CA, FL , LA and TX have any decent coast line to talk about.

Let us adults handle this matter. It is not your backyard which gets messed up. It is ours

All YOU people miss the BOAT!
If we do nothing and do NOT DRILL NOW and continue on this path it is going to kill us. You people are all forgetting one important thing is if we do not start NOW and DRILL and God forbid that ISRAEL decides to militarily STRIKE IRAN. We are all screwed. A barrel of OIL will go up to $400.00 a barrel if we get dragged into a conflict beyond our control. So I do think McCain is totally RIGHT on this issue because it is a national security issue for sure and we need action NOW. Not Nancy Pelosi filabustering on the most important national security issue like Energy. Personally I could careless about our planet if my families security is an issue. People need to really think about these issues.

Kevin

Go ahead and bury your head in the sand, but this problem is not goign away.

We are being held financial hostage to governments that want the US to fall in line behind Mohammed or Marx.

So which drum you gonna follow?

hmmmm
drill now, period. move-on are a bunch of idiots.

The greenies want gas to be
expensive, that meets their agenda of less "carbon emissions" a scam that keeps people like gore in high style.
They neglect to mention all the other products that come from petroleum and natural gas..plastics, pharmaceuticals and a host of other things, all of which will be priced sky-high in addition to the cost of delivery.
Keep fuel costs high and commerce suffers, meny economists predict a DEPRESSION if bambi and his crowd get in.
Liberals are stupid people, you have to be stupid to not see the big picture here.

If bambi gets elected, the soros backed one world idea will be the agenda...I ask the libs on here to answer..is that what you want? to destroy your country and hand it over to the UN?

If not, then find a rational reason to vote for higher taxes and less freedom, let's start THAT debate and stop the lying and childish little slogans.

If you people actually stand for something, SAY it or shut up.

AMANDA
You need to do everything you can to get this video on Fox News. This is a real eye-opener, and because these people are all Obama supporters, the logical extension is that this is what Obama wants as well.

The majority of Americans never read Town Hall and since the journalists here are conservative, most of them never are seen in MSM newspapers. Contact Fox News and tell them that "Americans have the right to know!!" This is what Messiah Obama has planned for them!

UNchristian libdolt
Yep you are right. We are reading and reacting. You two are providing the nails for your COFFIN. Keep talking........while I find my hammer.

This is classic liberalism
Most of them are extreme enviro-wackos, who see high gas prices as a way to reduce our carbon footprint. Not just oil, but coal as well.

They don't care how high gas prices affect our economy. They don't care about the single mom. In thier eyes, Americans are hugely excessive, and this is thier way to control and suppress Americans into submission.

And just where, exactly, will this $10
a gallon go? If the libs get their way, it will go into the hands of terrorists, because we won't be producing any oil here in our own country. Their economies will thrive, they will have the resources to attack our pristine beaches and shorelines, and we will live in a dump, if we live at all. Liberals either don't understand security, or else they are hell-bent on the destruction of this country.

"Solution": control the people
The Democrats would never support a solution to our energy problems, even if it was pollution- free, that did not include taking away peoples' freedoms.

History repeasts itself.
Marie Antoinette when informed that the people are hungry because they have no bread responded then let them eat cake. It is apparent that the dems want the entire economic system to come to a screeching halt. Massive unemployment and no fuel for anything. Then they can rescue us. Right. It is all well and good to want to develop other fuels, however, in the meantime we still need to live. With this oil situation we can actually drop to the bottom of the economic barrell while other countries profit.

Let's have a little contest here.
Who can name one liberal program that has worked?

Drugs in Congress
Well, now we can save all that money trying to track down all of those illegal drugs. they are being used by the democrats in congress and the O'Bama supporters and Moveon.org

let's destroy the crops so we can really show the survivors of the famine how to properly plant their corn next year. IDIOTS!!!! How can they pledge to help those in need when they want to ruin them and starve them out. Like the O'Bama supporter said, why would a single mom need a mini van? after all when he is elected she won't have a job or food to feed her kids anyway and the government will do it for her. since we're all ignorant and need a benevolent government such as the democrats envision to keep us from hurting ourselves and to spoonfeed us.

ropati
there is a long list acutally


Interstate Highway System

era: 1950's-present
Proposed by Roosevelt and erected by Eisenhower (a Republican), the Interstate system was a big government project. As much as anything else in the post WWII era, the Interstate is responsible for tremendous economic growth, prosperity, and has spawned an entire culture.


GI Bill

era: 1950's
This act of Congress enabled millions upon millions of Americans to get college educations, something that most Americans had never had the opportunity to do previously. An entire generation of leaders, scientists, and business people owe their education to the GI Bill.


Labor Laws

era: 1930's-present
An end to child labor, 40 hour work weeks, the right of employees to collectively bargain, overtime pay, workplace safety, all of the things we take for granted today are thanks to liberal laws passed in the first half of this century. It was the conservatives who fought tooth and nail against the end of sweatshops and exploitation.


Marshall Plan

era: late 1940's-1950's
Foreign aid is a popular scapegoat these days. Those who would cut it should look back at the Marshall Plan, which rebuilt Europe, and is the major reason that Communism never made it past East Berlin.



ropati here is more
Workplace safety laws

era: 1930's-present
Long hours in unsafe conditions are much rarer today than in the past. Tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and child labor have been eliminated by liberal and progressive legislation.


Social Security

era: 1930's-1970's
This program has provided three generations of Americans retirement benefits, and nearly eliminated poverty among the elderly. The program is weakening now, but for 50 years it did its job to a T.


Space Program

era: 1950's-present
It was Kennedy who challenged us to make it to the moon, and it is under his and Johnson's administrations that the space program took off, with numerous benefits to American industry and peoples' standard of living, not to mention national pride. If you are reading this on a computer, thank the space program and the liberals who got it going.


Peace corps

era: 1960's-present
Kennedy inspired thousands of Americans to ask what they could do for their country, and the Peace Corps is his most visible and effective legacy



and more
Rural Electrification

era: 1930's-1960's
This allowed remote, rural areas of the country the basic convinience of electricity. I am sure that those of us using computers on the internet, sitting in our air conditioned homes, under our electric lights consider electricity a basic necessity - one that the pure market would never have found profitable to provide to isolated farming communities.


Public Universities

era: 1890's-present day
Put a college education within the reach of nearly every American. In addition to education, many of these institutions have played key roles in all kinds of scientific research and been a strong influence on our entire society.


Bank Deposit Insurance

era: 1930's-present day
About 1934, as part of extensive New Deal banking legislation, Congress created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to provide federal insurance for bank deposits. This was instrumental in restoring confidence in our nation's banks, and remains so to this day.


Earned Income Tax Credit

era: 1970's-present day
Reduces the tax burden for working families who make under $28,500.00 You have to earn income to get it. It is not a handout. It's a great incentive for families to stay off welfare. But the atmosphere has changed in Washington, and Republicans had to find a way to pay for their capital-gains tax cut, and EITC was their ticket to success. So, the Republicans voted to cut this program by $29 billion over a certain time frame. Well guess what? They just raised the taxes on lower income working families.




Tea Party
You any where near Shawana. My brother-in-law works at a paper mill. Guess I had better call my sister.

The Leftnuts
The Left's desire for higher energy prices is a manifestation of their hatred for Western Civilization. Industry, big business (actually any business other than a granola store) and the military are evils to be irradicated. They want us living in caves and eating grass. Apparently they are taking their cues from the North Koreans where eating grass is SOP.

other side of the coin
Nineteen thirties major utility projects like highways and roads were necessary as they did not exist for a growing population (one might argue also the roads were to spur car sales and the utilities to make work for construction unions). Today the government is paying for bridges to no-where in a state that is nearly empty of people. Just because they were usefull does not mean they still are.


College education on the backs of tax payers provides for more educators who do not have to give students an education in high school because students can always learn to read later.

Bank deposits - governments going to cover you so you don't have to read how the bank is doing and what they are investing in. Someone else will do it for me.

Earned income tax credit - Got to say I love this one because I have used it. The question is though how much should I as an American pay for the services I use?

Many want us to solve the gas crisis by buying small cars. My mother and my mother-in-law appreciate being able to step up into our family van rather than having to put the pressure on their knees when swinging into and out of a low profile automobile. Or should we just say the planet is more important than a bit of inconvenience?



modmark
hey good morning

yea i have that bookmarked.

a poster named kevin was using it yesterday too.

that was a great piece of research.

of course, when faced with real data most here, claim its not true (because the oil industry tells a different story) or that you can't trust the dept of energy. lol

some these people sound like 60's hippies when you present them with facts.

"you can't trust the government".

hey have you seen the redeem team (the usa olympic team) play yet.

they are running up and down the court fastbreaking and playing full court pressure ferocious defense.

saw lebron hit kobe for an alley oop.

some good stuff.

they don't have enough big men but they should win.

Send Pelosi and her minions
TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE!!!! Right next to thousands of Americans who jobs went away thanks to their Socialist/Marxist agenda.


-Ray
NRA Life Member

allen
interesting assesment.

i was simply exploding the oft heard conservative myth that no liberal programs ever work.

you may disagree with the philosphy or relevance of some of the programs but they worked.

i didn't even get to head start which is the number one program used by the poor for pre-school education and has had bi-partisan support for 20 years and the same goes for job corps.

sometimes a myth gets going and everyone buys into it without really thinking.


O'Vomit LOVES high gas prices!!
He admitted that the only thing that worried him was HOW FAST they got there.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Brujo Blanco
One thing that has never been thought out by the libs it that if we do have jobs leaving America and massave enemployment (that even illigals cannot find work, because there will be fighting over any jobs that may exist), who will pay the taxes they so desperatly want to raise. They can't can't pay for everyone to be on welfare, if no one is working.

One minute, I forgot about the government workers. They will have to pay for everything, that is if the money is coming in from those out of work.

Error
That should have read: If no money is coming in because no one is working.

Liberal contest
ropati
Location: CA

Reply # 77
Date: Aug 7, 2008 - 9:59 AM EST Subject: Let's have a little contest here.
Who can name one liberal program that has worked?

I can name many liberal programs that have worked:

Seeing as how the platform of the Democrat Party is to destroy all great American, Christian traditions and values, I'd say that they are working quite well.

Democrats seek the destruction of the black family so that they can demonize society and Republicans and tell blacks that they need to elect Dems to fix their problems.

I'd say they succeeded there.

Democrats seek the destruction of traditional marriage.

I'd say they are succeeding there.

Democrats seek the destruction of our economy because they can't stand the fact that America is so powerful and great.

I'd say they are succeeding there.

Democrats seek the destruction of parental authority, favoring government rule over children.

I'd say they are succeeding there.

Democrats seek to save the lives of convicted murderers and rapists from death row and kill babies in and out of the womb.

I'd say they are succeeding there.

marc
please point out the section of the democratic platform that is anti-Christian.

i guess blacks are just so stupid that they have allowed the democrats to destroy them.

and you wonder why the republican party is so hated by blacks.

your underlying assumption is that they have been duped and manipulated

what a good argument to attract them to your party.

but lets see

which party has had the most sitting congressmen convicted in the last 10 years.

why that would be the republican

which party still has a convicted sex predator and an adulterer still serving in congress.

why that would be the republican.

how many house members on the impeachement committee ending up admitting affairs.

lets see that would be
hyde
burton
livingston
barr
gingrich

@ChristianLib
I admit I don't know enough about most of the items you brought up, but wasn't the Marshall Plan basically 'Welfare for Nations' in its essence? And while you claim it was responsible for blocking Communism, the Wikipedia entry for it seems to indicate that the originators of the plan, or at least some of the governmental officials involved, wished to extend the 'benefits' (I'm still undecided as to whether they were or not) of the plan to the Soviets...which would seem counterproductive if their intention was to halt Communism.

This is a Surprise?
If people didn't realize there was a push for $10 gas, they were sadly in the dark. The idea is to force people to do things their way - regardless of what is best. And there are a number of people with obscure proposals that can't get funding. If they make gas expensive enough then Congress will be glad to give them money - whether what they have works or not. The trouble is that most ideas won't work and are a waste of money. The better ideas find funding without trouble.

Energy Policy
You want an energy policy?

1. Allow drilling in the U.S. to provide oil for short term use. (Even if it is two years or ten years away, it is still closer than doing nothing.)

2. Approve construction of nuclear power plants to solve the electrical shortage and free oil use in electrical plants.

3. Allow construction of electric cars for the public. This would include electric/gas hybrids. They have the tech - right now they won't allow it to be used due to a problem with taxing it.

4. Encourage research into other possible energy solutions.

5. Encourage and build smaller hydro plants. We can use even small ones and there are far more places to build them than large ones.

6. Encourage propane/natural gas vehicles. See 3 above for reasons not used now.

(Keep in mind that all existing electric, propane, and natural gas vehicles used in any quantity are used by the government - who don't pay fuel taxes.)

7. Allow ALL energy reduction discoveries to be used, not just those that are easy to tax.

8. Start mining and using oil slate and oil sands.

(The main reason we do NOT have an alternate fuel source is because the government can't find a good easy way to tax it.)

The ultimate goal would be to get all vehicles off oil. The oil should be used for plastics and other items that come only from oil.

But these solutions are too simple for Congress to understand.

45caliber - 2:53 post
I think you should run for President. You have better ideas than both put together.

Electric cars though might have a slight problem. They need electricity. If you plug them in everynight, then the electric companies will become the next ones for the whackos to demonize. Also, there is the electric bills.

Goal of Socialists
The global warming hoax and killing exploration of new sources of oil are anti-Capitalist schemes to get the socialists to control everything and turn this into a completely socialist nation...If the general public ever figures this out, the socialists will be lucky if they only lose in elections........Soros will be the first one on the end of a rope if he lives that long.....

Everyone...
Here's a report that I received today.

It's called the Black Gold Bonanza Report.

You can get it at:

martinweiss@weissinc.com

It's a good read

Limosine Liberals Destroy Economy
It may be necessary for the ordinary citizen in our fair country to raise up and preserve it. Pigosi's plan is for her and a few of her ilk to force the rest of us to kowtow to blatant environalism. While she burns more fuel going back and forth to her district (in a tax payer provided jumbo jet) that an entire village could use in a year. It is more of "do as I say, not do as I do". We should seriously consider hanging the whole lot of worthless hangers-on starting with ladies first. PELOSI, BOXER, CLINTON, WINSTIEN, THEN SOROS THE CURRENCY MANIPULATOR, ETC.

QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS

.....How can agencies, like the EPA, put out regulations that have the force of law? ...who elected them? ...

.....How can Enviro-Commies, like the Sierra Club, tie up energy companies for years in court every time the energy companies try to get a permit to find new energy sources ...

.....Who pays the lawyers fees of the ACLU and the Green-Commies? ...

.....Our politicians fiddle while America ties itself up in knots ...Russia and China must be doubling over in laughter at those crazy Americans ...

.....Russia has benefitted from losing the Cold War, by copying the tactics of Reagan, they are winning the Energy War ...while our politicians try to force bio-mass down our throats, Russia is busy building a pipeline (which Reagan opposed) and locking up the Worlds supply of oil & Gas resources ...

.....While we are now buying most of our oil from foreign sources, (10% from Russia) ...Russia is energy independent, with a positive trade balance, budget surpluses and Steve Forbes Flat Tax, while the USA is burdened by the Progressive Income Tax of Karl Marx ...

.....History is still being written but "he who laughs last" .....COLOSSUS

For Baseball Doc
There are three classes of laws:
Statutory Law: Passed by legislators.
Caselaw: Based on legal decisions.
Regulatory Law: Regulations created by unelected
bureaucrats have the weight of
statutory law because the come
from a bureaucracy CREATED by a
legislature. It's a sleazy way
of getting unpopular laws into
effect by proxy. It allows a
lawmaker to wash his hands in
the eyes of the voters.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Beezer
Funny you should mention House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, that shrill, wretched, greedy, and detestable politician. If I had any say in as to what to do with her.... I would have her stripped naked, tarred and feathered, and paraded around America in the bed of an American made pickup truck. I'll bet she doesn't buy her own fuel for her vehicles.

nuts
Anyone who who listen to the moron.org people should have their heads examined. These people have about as much brains as someone who has received electric shock treatment for five years straight.

Obama wants all his supporters to assume
the position!

On your knees Obamies of all races and religions.

It is time for your evening call to worhsip your lord and master - SWAMIE-OBAMIE!

So get off of TH and get in front of your autographed photo of Obamie and recite your sacred incantation:

Yes we can!
Yes we can!
Yes we can!

Now click your heels three times and say:

Obamie's the ONE becasue OPRAH said so...
Obamie's the ONE becasue OPRAH said so...
Obamie's the ONE becasue OPRAH said so...

and then your favorite little mantra:

Anyone who won't vote for Obama is a racist...
Anyone who won't vote for Obama is a racist...
Anyone who won't vote for Obama is a racist...

There feel better?

Obamie hears you because he is all hearing .... I means have you seen the ears on this guy?

Obama sticking with fellow towel heads
Obama, at one time, wanted to tap into oil reserves,then put more in the reserves,he's been against drilling, becaue he wants to keep in the graces of fellow muslims..then when he saw that Bush was lifting the ban on drilling and the American people were applauding it...that's when he turned into a DRILL supporter..Now, his energy plan is PUT MORE AIR IN YOUR TIRES...dah...now, that's innovation..
His is not seasoned enough to sit in the Oval Office...

$10 gas
There is something ironic about China turning to the automobile as the chief mode of transportation and the USA leaning or being led to believe that the bicycle is a wonderful means of transportation. Will we be wearing pajama like clothing?

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