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Monday, October 20, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Believers in Obama
by Thomas Sowell
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Telling a friend that the love of his life is a phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may cost you a friend.

It is much the same story with true believers in Barack Obama. They have made up their minds and not only don't want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts.

An e-mail from a reader mentioned trying to tell his sister why he was voting against Obama but, when he tried to argue some facts, she cut him short: "You don't like him and I do!" she said. End of discussion.

When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are people living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to find out the facts about candidates before voting to put the fate of this nation, and of generations yet to come, in the hands of someone chosen because they like his words or style.

Of the four people running for President and Vice President on the Republican and Democratic tickets, the one we know the least about is the one leading in the polls-- Barack Obama.

Some of Senator Obama's most fervent supporters could not tell you what he has actually done on such issues as crime, education, or financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, much less what he plans to do to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear nation supplying nuclear weapons to the international terrorist networks that it has supplied with other weapons.

The magic word "change" makes specifics unnecessary. If things are going bad, some think that what is needed is blank-check "change."

But history shows any number of countries in crises worse than ours, where "change" turned problems into catastrophes.

In czarist Russia, for example, the economy was worse than ours is today and the First World War was going far worse for the Russians than anything we have faced in Iraq. Moreover, Russians had nothing like the rights of Americans today. So they went for "change."

That "change" brought on a totalitarian regime that made the czars' despotism look like child's play. The Communists killed more people in one year than the czars killed in more than 90 years, not counting the millions who died in a government-created famine in the 1930s.

Other despotic regimes in China, Cuba, and Iran were similarly replaced by people who promised "change" that turned out to be even worse than what went before.

Yet many today seem to assume that if things are bad, "change" will make them better. Specifics don't interest them nearly as much as inspiring rhetoric and a confident style. But many 20th century leaders with inspiring rhetoric and great self-confidence led their followers or their countries into utter disasters.

These ranged from Jim Jones who led hundreds to their deaths in Jonestown to Hitler and Mao who led millions to their deaths.

What specifics do we know about Barack Obama's track record that might give us some clue as to what kinds of "changes" to expect if he is elected?

We know that he opposed the practice of putting violent young felons on trial as adults. We know that he was against a law forbidding physicians to kill a baby that was born alive despite an attempt to abort it.

We know that Obama opposed attempts to put stricter regulations on Fannie Mae-- and that he was the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae. We know that this very year his campaign sought the advice of disgraced former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines.

Fannie Mae and Raines were at the heart of "the mess in Washington" that Barack Obama claims he is going to clean up under the banner of "change."

The public has been told very little about what this man with the wonderful rhetoric has actually done. What we know is enough to make us wonder about what we don't know. Or it ought to. For the true believers-- which includes many in the media-- it is just a question of whether you like him or not.

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Family Members
It's true that for many Obama supporters there is no debate, and no desire to even consider alternate view points and information. When I tried to tell my sister why I was not supporting Obama her response was "I never want to hear your political views again..." Was a very sad day.

Illegas and drivers license

Where else in the world can you do something illegal AND get a reward?

Also why hasn't Katie Curic or Charles Gibson interviewed Joe Biden?

Illegal Aliens and a drivers licence

Where else in the world can you do something illegal AND get a reward?

Also why hasn't Katie Curic or Charles Gibson interviewed Joe Biden?

Their votes count just as much...
Dr. Sowell writes:
"When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are people living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to find out the facts about candidates before voting to put the fate of this nation, and of generations yet to come, in the hands of someone chosen because they like his words or style."

This is why we should return to property classifications for the franchise. Property owners will tend to have more of a stake in making sure we have responsible government.

Or, apply Heinlein's solution-military service for the franchise. If you want to vote, you serve.

Fat, happy, indolent America. We're getting just what we deserve.

Obama delenda est.

Finally Real Evidence


Breakin News Nails Obama.


We were all wrong.


He's really caught.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUVQDmLf7s


We got 'em just where we want 'em!


The country is saved.


Enjoy guys.

Well said
Sowell nailed it within the first two paragraphs, supporters of Obama resent being told the facts!

You Want a King ? You Got It...God
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king.



First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'



Then God says 1 Samuel 1:18-22 ' When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.' But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.' When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'




Mrs. Paddy
Your song lyrics actually gave me goosebumps, cause if you can believe this, Barry O sang that very song when he appeared in Detroit over the Labor Day holiday! I suspect he was trying to suck up to Aretha Franklin who was standing nearby......and Carlos I work in downtown Detroit and a young lady I met during work brought up the subject of the American government releasing the AIDS virus in order to kill off the African-American population of America. This woman was dead serious and I was SO at a loss as to how to reply to her because I was just astounded ANYONE could believe such nonsense! That encounter, as well as those video links of the voters in Harlem, prove Dr. Sowell is right on in his assessment of the average Obama supporter.

Re: Slacker
Your comments are self-incriminating. What Sowell is saying is that you and other "liberals" know nothing about Barry. He has no real history and the history that he does have is all negative. What you are doing is voting for an unknown that has morphed into every liberals dream. He says whatever he needs to say to appeal to every liberal. He stands for everything and nothing at the same time. He worshipped under the roof of a preacher dude that hates America and whites. Yet you like him. His wife hates the America that does not agree with her. You like him because you believe him to be anything you want him to be. He is change! He is hope! And he is all that you could ever want! He is in truth DEATH! Death to the American dream and death to the true ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. American Allies need to be very afraid.

Dr. Sowell
As always, you serve as a beacon of clear thought!!
Obama is a socialist, by any measure. he has NEVER held a real job that was not at the public teat. He has NO “real world” or military experience. You can vote for anyone and in Obama’s case be in the good company of ACORN, Gay Marriage, pro-Abortion, anti-military, appeasing, pacifist, pro-affirmative action, and many other so-called Americans.
By the way, here is something else to consider…a “conservative” African American like Ward Connerly or Justice Thomas (and many more) are considered “sellouts” by many blacks. So, how do we label all those smilin’ white faces at the Obama rallies? OOps! I forgot, that would be rascist…

Faulty Assumptions
Faulty assumptions lead to faulty conclusions. An example of a faulty assumption is the one republicans are grasping on to as they prepare to drown in the Nov. 4th deluge that signals the end of their dominance on the American political stage. This is the assumption that most people vote for Obama either because they are too stupid to see that he is evil incarnate, because he is black, because they hate America or many other rationalizations.

These assumptions reflect a blind ideological elitism that explains the collapse of the conservative movement. It used to be that it was the liberals who assumed that anyone who disagreed with them was too stupid to see the truth taught in liberal social science classrooms. Here is the truth:

Republicans have BECOME the enemy they fought tooth and nail for decades between the 60's and 90's. They get us into wars we don't need to fight. They create a tax and spend policy that bankrupts the country, and ensure the vast majority of wealth falls into the hands of the top 1% of families. They claim people that disagree with them are unpatriotic, then distort their positions and call them traitors, terrorists and communists instead of actually listening to their points and discussing them intelligently.

Then they wonder why they are losing this election.

Examine your assumptions. Maybe the people voting for Obama see your team as a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites who have brought disaster on America and its citizens. Who blame everyone but themselves for the disaster they have created. Who see your rhetoric as empty promises and shrill rabble rousing lies that offer no real solution to problems. Maybe they see YOU as the PROBLEM not the solution.

In short, maybe it is time to look in the mirror.

Hijacking by B Hussein O
Is it the mystery of this "one" that draws you to him?

Is he tickling your itching ears?

Telling you what you want to hear?

Good speaker, articulate, nice looking, man?

What he does, not what he says, does it line up with your values?

Which leader is it, who wants us to put our lives in his hands, whom we know nothing about?

What we do know, is not good?

What he stands for, which is always conflicting, and changes with the tides, is against every principle, freedom and right that this country was founded on?

Why the secrets?

Why the denials?

Why the censorship of what's left of any form of "non partisan" media?

Why isn't it, he, being stopped?

Due diligence.

Seek the truth.

He is a man, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He is NOT, The Messiah, The Lord God

obama
obama believers are misguided ignorant fools,he is all style and no substance

Hmm...
Aren't we trying to "change" Iraq this very moment?

Obama Is A Liar
Depending on your political mentality you can take this or leave it, it is totally your choice. Just remember that elections have consequences.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78945

Three Co-workers = Obamatrons
I work with three co-workers that are absolutely, positively, voting for Obama. I had this same discussion with them many months ago. I asked them specific questions but received much sarcasm in return.

I asked them: Would you promote someone in this company to CEO if they only had three years of experience? Answer: Yeah, if they made things better.

Is the south side of Chicago any better since Obama has been a senator of that state?

My coworkers are very much against illegal immigrants so I asked them what they felt about Obama's stance against illegal immigration. I couldn't believe it, they actually stated that they didn't like the Republican's stance to give citizenship to the immigrants already here. I couldn't believe it because that is exactly Obama's stance.

Are you for or against abortion? Against.

Do you think government is too big and do you pay too high taxes? Of course they answered yes.

I learned that it's ridiculous and futile to argue with illogical people.

Thank You for a Wonderful Article
Thank God for this article.

I have been fighting this battle for the past 6 months with my two brothers, a half dozen friends and anyone I can find that is supporting Obama.

They have all told me to SHUT UP they don't want to hear it. They have become Militant in their defense of Obama. It is as though they have defensive shields like those used by Captain Kirk and the crew of the Starship Enterprise.

I would love to send all of these Obama supporters a copy of your wonderful article but of course it will not get through their shields so I cannot.

Obama reminds me of a Rock Star
with his "groupie" followers. Keep in mind that I am NOT talking about every group. But there are quite a few that live tenuously with drugs, alcohol and young girls who are there "just because" he is who he is.

My youngest son is for Obama...swung by the "change" snake. I studiously avoid political discussions with him as not matter what I might say, he'll see me as "out of touch" which is exactly how I feel about him.

This election has been especially stressful especially for those of us who recognize what the USA will be like if Obama is president. My oldest son said: 'Mom, you can kiss America good bye as you know it." I didn't have to be told but coming from my child made the implications even worse.

True Believers
I have something anecdotal that will tell you, once and for all, that it is not at ALL about what Obama can do, or even what he says he can do--it's all about his face and his voice. And I am being serious, not flippant. My grandmother is, sadly, a bigot. She's of that isolated white generation. She is also, also sadly, an Alzheimer's patient. And she loves Barack Obama. She's feverish for him to win, even though she still refers to him with a word that makes me want to just die with embarassment and revulsion. When he begins speaking on t.v., she is mesmerized and a beautific smile spreads across her face. It's the weirdest, scariest thing. But makes me realize that what people are responding to is, apparently, the look of his face and the sound of his voice. She has no idea, no capacity to understand, what he's actually saying--but you can see the adoration in her face. It's the same thing I see in the faces of liberal friends backing Obama when I begin to question them. Either the networks are broadcasting something subliminal, or there's something subliminal about Obama. Either way, her reaction confirms to me that it's not about logic or truth or philosphy at all.

"It's not who you are, it's how you look! And Barry, you look marvelous!"

Dear scooternyc
"...force them into healthcare..."
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If you remember the Democrat debates between Hillary and Obama. Obama was not requiring anyone to opt into his health plan, as opposed to Hillary's plan which was mandatory for all who were not cover by some sort of health plan. He specifically said people could choose not to be part of his health plan.
As to taxes, I wouldn't trust any politician's word on looking out for my interest. I've been paying tax for 40+ years, they are always changing, sometime up and sometimes down. McCain's plan favors the upper brackets. When I get there...well at this point in my life lets just say its an opportunity that has past me by. $250,000 is a big number in my world.

Abusive relationship
Americans that are voting for Obama have a "crush" on him. The sound of his voice gives them butterflies. When he looks their way, they swoon. They cannot-no WILL NOT-believe anything negative about their true love. "He loves us" they tell themselves, despite the lies he whispers in their ears. In the sickest way he will continue to woo them all the while treating them worse and worse. In the end, they will convince themselves that he cares for them while he abuses them. We have seen it in abusive relationships between a man and woman and now we see it on a grander scale. Obama will take and punish the very ones that love him and will convince them all the while that he "loves" them back.

Further Vincent
If Obama really assimilated the concepts of Freedom and choice, he'd be giving more of it to people rather than taking it from them.

When you force people to pay higher taxes, force them into healthcare, you are manipulating and controlling them.

Supposedly 47 million Americans are without healthcare.

Do you ever ask yourself what choices have they made which lead them to a point where they can't afford healthcare?

Why would you not hold these individuals accountable for their choices?

Is it because you don't want to be held accountable for your choices and you're hoping to get the same welfare from others?

And who decided that healthcare was a right in this nation or that everyone needed to have it?

If Obama gets to decide this, what's to stop him from deciding and defining other aspects of people's lives?

Defining ANYTHING for another person is inherently taking away their freedom and their personal choice to define his or her own life and pursuit of happiness.

Let each individual decide.



Finally, if any portion of your criteria for voting for Obama is BECAUSE he is black, then that's a racist vote.

If I said I was voting for McCain because he was white, that's racist

If I said I was voting for Sarah because she's a woman, that's sexist

If I said I wasn't voting for Biden because of his age, that's ageist

If I say I'm voting for Obama for all xxx reasons and one of them is because he's black, no matter the reason, it's racist

Vincent
We know it's lost on you, but observation is the most powerful understanding an individual can have when it comes to making decisions in the person's self-interest of life.

If your mind set is already that of victim, whereby the world acts on you rather than you having acted on the world through your personal choices, then Obama would be your guy.

Obama relinquishes all accountability and ownership of personal choices which lead to the outcomes of an individual's life, the life that a person now is living in.

If a young girl makes a choice to engage in sexual activity, becomes pregnant and has the child under pressure from her family, is she not making a choice?

If she has a boyfriend that is abusive, is she not making a choice to stay with him?

If she drops out of high school, acquires no skills and is not marketable for work, did she not make a choice?

Having made one choice after another she now lives a life of being a victim who looks to others to save her and relinquishes all ownership of past choices.

Obama is her guy.

What does it say about Obama who would encourage such behavior in order to get elected? To keep people thinking they are incapable of managing their own lives? That they need a parent?

Obama teaches and preaches dependence.

What does it say about the girl who relinquishes her self-reliance and self-governance?

To: All Who Ask -- Obama's Core Values
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

A Poor Choice Of Words
"...They have made up their minds and not only don't want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts..."
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This sentence, at the top of you post, is sending what kind of message? Its the old "My Way Or The Highway" approach. As a scholar, your ideas are only deafened by this wording.

ProudSouth
Tell me.......what flavor is the Obama Kool-Aid you are drinking ?

Your response is typical of those who don't want to acknowledge the facts about obama's dangerous connections. His friends hate what America stands for and obviously you do, too. Please leave our country !
Sure America isn't perfect, but obama's increasing taxes to give to the lazy people who DON"T PAY ANY TAXES smacks of, dare I say, SOCIALISM. Or is that racist ? Yeah right.........
Also, the scariest part of "Joe The Plumber" is the fact that obama's thugs and cult followers invaded a private citizen's personal life because he dared to ask "The One" an honest question. Because obama didn't have his teleprompter or ear piece telling him what to say, he actually spoke the truth. He's coming after anyone who is successful or dares to speak against him. Sound familiar ?

PA?
You seem to ignore facts. Obama IS NOT smeared because someone exposes his past relationship.
Truths are not smears, Lies are.

In the last 8 years we had 9/11, rebuilding the military that Clinton destroyed,Wars, Katrina and Floods. These cost lots of money that we did not have at the end of Clinton's so called "balanced budget"era.

I guess you forgot that we had to rebuild the military in 2002, just to fight Al Queda?


Expect This If Obama Wins
"Obama Earmarks for Family, Donors." is only a start

Judicial Watch has more:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2008/41-obama-ear marks-family-donors#anchor1

It is apparent that few are listening, and if they do not wake up from their narcissistic dream it will turn into a nightmare.

Choice
I have listened to both sides. I have double checked all of the facts that I felt were questionable. Verified factcheck.org regularly.

I think that would make me an educated voter and have decided to vote for Obama. One of the reasons was the smearing of his reputation bases on unsubstanciated relationships.

I meet a lot of people at meetings, i am sure some must have done something bad in the past. Does that make me a bad person?

It's too much it makes the GOP look desperate.

Sarah Palin has made too many mistakes to make me feel confident that she could run the country. The latest, showing her lack of knowledge of what the role of a VP is.

Everything I have read here are the same excuses that were made for the past 8 years and look where it lead us. Sure Mccain says he will change it but lets face it the same people are in the party and I don't believe him.

Hope for the best for our country.

Death Of Conservatism?
Get ready people! If We allow the left to rule all branches of our government, The Conservative American will be the target of scorn and discrimination.

We will be put in a group usually reserved for murderers, thieves & social outcast.




I'll Buy the Book, Mr. Sowell
Put all the Obama columns you've written this election season into book form and I will buy it.

And Another Thing
"Viability" is what got us eight years of GW Bush -- the biggest disaster to the the country since LBJ.

Corbett
First of all, a third party candidate doesn't stand a snow ball chance.

Second, though I agree that I prefer some other conservative over McCain, there are vast differences between Obama and McCain.

You're probably right on immigration.

As I said, McCain isn’t as conservative as I like, but he will put a more conservative Supreme Court judge in than Obama.

McCain will cut Taxes more than Obama.

McCain won’t give away the farm to welfare recipients.

McCain will drill for oil.

There are many differences that make McCain a better choice than Obama.

I know that you probably prefer an independent, but as I said. The independent is not going to be your next president if 30% of republicans vote for him.

Sorry!

To Chole
Better than the alternative? How?

What would John McCain do that is different than Obama would?

McCain says Obama is a socialist. McCain routinely votes against tax cuts & for tax increases. Both voted for the bailout.

Obama might be for the "Fairness Doctrine" and against free speech. McCain WROTE McCain-Feingold.

Obama would appoint leftist judges. McCain teamed up with Teddy Kennedy to make sure that Bush couldn't appoint even moderatly conservative judges.

Obama is for amnesty for illegal aliens. McCain led the fight to pass amnesty in the Senate.

On issue after issue after issue, these two are carbon copies of each other.

Don't try to tell me McCain is better than Obama -- McCain's record shows it ain't so.

Corbett
You're doing the Alinsky shuffle.

I don't like either candidate, but I won't make the same mistake I made in 1992 (I voted for Perot on *principle*). I'm voting McCain. He may not be perfect, but he's better than the alternative. Unless you can offer a VIABLE alternative to McCain, your point is meaningless IMO.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
People are getting really upset about what is essentially nothing. You say you don't want a big-government, tax-and-spend leftist who supports the bailout, is against free speech, promises amnesty for illegal aliens, is against appointing conservative judges, pro-bailout, anti-tax-cut, anti-constitution senator with absolutely no executive experience whatsoever?

Well guess what -- you just described both of these clowns.

When you get down to the substance and get past all the rhetoric, these people are essentially the same. You don't like what Obama stands for? Then you'd better not vote for McCain, because he stands for the same damned things.

Stop your bickering and squabbling long enough to think. Neither one of these idiots should be elected dog catcher in any town in America. It does not make one damned bit of difference which of these people get elected -- it will be a complete and unmitigated disaster for the nation.

It is time to show the so-called major parties that WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH. Anyone who votes Democrat or Republican is doing a grave disservice to the nation.

geopol
You sound like a wise older gentleman.
I just don't like him either.


man's animal nature
The British philosopher David Hume - considered by some also a founder of psychology - wrote that "reason is and always must be the slave of the passions." That is, our decisions are first of all driven by our passions - losve or hate. Reasons for a decision are only produced afterward- to support a decision already made. This fact comes from our animal nature.
My decision to not vote for Obama under any circumstances ultimately stems from my distrust of and distaste for him. I am sure I am right, as is my cat when he rejects dry food. But I can say as reasons that "he does not represent my values or interests." And I can add that "the right to vote is absolute and so I need not justify or explain it to anyone."

What Do Elvis and Barack Have in Common
People are listening to a bunch of rhetoric about change. They are screaming for healthcare.

Healthcare is a legitimate concern, but look at the facts, real facts, not rhetoric.

Nationalized healthcare has been tried and failed in several countries, and in several states in the US.

England’s healthcare program is worse than an HMO. There are waiting lines, surgery delayed for months, etc. Canada’s healthcare is the same. France is facing the same problems. Australia is the only country were people seem to be satisfied with there national healthcare, but it hasn’t been in effect very long. And, this is the decisive factor. Australia is debt free. They owe no one anything, no deficit.

America is one of the largest debtors in the world. We can not, can I repeat that, we can not afford nationalized healthcare. We will go belly up. We are almost belly up now because of debt.

Obama will legalize the 15-20 million illegal immigrants. They will go on welfare.
He will send $500- $1000 checks to 43, 000,000 people who do not pay taxes, and the 20,000 000 illegals are not counted as of now.

He is going to tax corporation, and no doubt add regulations which will force them to move or close.

People we do not have a bright future under a Obama presidency.

What Do Elvis and Barack Have in Common
Part 1

Some of you young whipper snappers aren’t going to remember this.

Elvis Presley was a knock out singer. He had guys wishing that they were like him, and he had girls fainting at his feet. Kinda like someone else we know, right.

Elvis wasn’t much of an actor, though he made a lot of money acting. Matter of a fact, I don’t know of anything Elvis could do but sing, and he could do that, and he was pretty good looking.
Obama can really talk, he’s suave, but he hasn’t proven that he is capable of anything else. Yet, he’s got people mesmerized.
Obama has not been tested in the simples of adversities. His character scares me.

I don’t expect a president to have full blow experience in running a country, but I do need to know that he or she is a person of integrity, possessing the ability to make sound decisions. A president needs to know how to lead, and it takes something that you don’t pick up on the job.

Let’s face it; what person has ever been elected that possessed all the skills to lead this country. It is a job that one depends upon good experienced people to advise him or her.

Bush could not have picked a better man than Rumsfield to win a war, he proved that, but Rumsfield was not the man to finish the job. It took several painful years to face that.

The American people that are supporting Obama do not realize the unstable world that we are living in.

The American people do not know what real hunger is, they do not know what real sacrifice is. We think we do, but we don’t.

Most of us do not know what it’s like to walk 20 miles to and from work, work from day light till dark for just enough to put a roof over your head and food on the table. That food was food to survive on, not meat and vegetables.

My parents live like that, but I’ve had a good life. There are people in distant lands that live worse than animals.

We better realize that we could be headed down that path.

He wrote a book detailing what he plans
It's in bookstores, and it's called "Change We Can Believe In". The guy's been running the longest of the 4 remaining candidates.

His views are all out there.

Believers in Obama
We know all we need to know. WHen there's nothing to know, we can't know so we must know to not vote for the one we don't know anything about! There isn't anything more to tell about him. That's where everyone is falling down! There isn't anything else. So stop trying to convince people that we need to know more. There isn't anymore! That's it. That's all folks. McCain needs to simplify his message. A great TV ad would be a real 'resume.' Put it on paper. We can't know what we don't know! Obama knows nothing more. It's almost like the "know-nothing" candidate from the 1900s. That's what he is. A "know-nothing."

As far as that voting with "emotion" thing. That's why men didn't want to give women the right to vote for a long, long time. One never votes from emotion; you vote from a position of knowledge.

Obama's our first "emotive" handicapped candidate, maybe? Or was that Kennedy?

ProudSouth
"Subject: Chloe
You sound delusional and demented. Just lie your great leaders McCain and Palin.

Don't hang around board too much and further disgrace yourself."


"Delusional and demented"

"Don't hang around board too much and further disgrace yourself."

Your erudition and persuasion are beyond reproach LoudMouth. Astroturf somewhere else.



Communist Party, USA
WHY would anyone vote for a candidate that the CPUSA thinks will take the country in the "right direction?" One that Hugo Chavez calls his "brother" and will bring the U.S. more in line with his regime.

For all you lefties, Obama has changed his position on practically everything since the primaries. He is NOW going to expand the war in Afghanistan. He voted for FISA and on and on...guess it is all about the style and the con that has been laid upon you. His race is like a superman suit and that's where the power lies and he knows it.

OBOTS!
Somehow "that one" has been able to turn his followers into OBOTS! I have never seen an election where a candidate may sound so nice yet say nothing but all of a sudden certain individuals change! It's like the movie "the Stepford Wives!" Take the gals on the view for example (Elizabeth is like Katherine Ross in the movie) to CSNBC want to be reporters, they like him because "he makes me feel so good, I have goose bumps going up and down my leg!" "We think you are good looking!"
Don't dare disagree with them or you will get the full wrath of "that one!"
How do we save our country?
Barack declared his real intentions when he met Joe the Plumber! A miracle from God? "Share the wealth" became words that stopped independants and even republicans from turning into OBOTS!
Mention the word "socialist" and the OBOTS begin to short circuit!

SueDi Reply # 8
SueDi Reply # 8

In love with Obama
I was talking to my 24 year old son about ACORN. He said, "Let's change the subject before I get mad." It is scary that our children won't even read what is going on before they vote for someone they don't know. He promised to "look into it," but I'm assuming he will vote for Obama out of popular and college-living style pressure. If only they had seen the terror that Russia, Germany or Italy caused their people and others. They wouldn't be so nonchalant.

Response:

You don’t stand alone when it comes to children who are blinded by institutions of higher learning.

Parents are paying a fortune to have there children indoctrinated into Marxism.
I have three sons who went to college. One went to a Christian college, while two went to public colleges. Guess which two out three sons are liberals.
Just like Democrats have the same talking points, public colleges educate with the same Marxist ideology.

Public colleges are staffed with 85% or higher with liberal professors. There text books are filled with liberal ideology. If a student challenges the curriculum they are ridiculed.

The Catholic Church used to say; give me a child until they are 6 and I don’t care who has them afterward.

A parent has to deal with the public school system indoctrinating there children, then turn them over to the colleges to finish turning them into socialists.

Those who seek to destroy conservativism will do it through our educational system.

Pablo: Who is deluded? Part 2 of 2
Did you not see the video of Barney Frank and Maxine Waters, among others, berate the official warning them of the sub-prime problem?

Majorities in the House and Senate? You know very well that he never had a filibuster-proof Senate and several liberal Congressmen and Senators frequently would defect.

You would respond the same as to why couldn't Pelosi and Reed get anything done.

1 trillion lost to tax cuts? Prove it.
Iraq unnecessary? Your opinion.

I could, with much more substance, point to the spinning out of control spending on "entitlements", which will hurt us far more than Iraq, or your unfounded lost tax revenue. To make things worse, Obama promises to throw gasoline on the spending fire.

Pablo: Who is deluded? part 1 of 2
Have you heard of the phrase "conforming loan"?

Have you ever gotten a mortgage to buy a house? I have. In the late 80's, there were strict limits of what my payment could be based as a percentage of my NET income (43%). I had to prove where I got my 20% down payment, that it was not a loan. I had to provide multiple pay stubs to establish my income.

Why did they do this? BECAUSE THE MORTGAGE HAD TO CONFORM TO FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS. The lender mandated the requirements so that the lender had the option to sell the mortgage to Fannie or Freddie. It also established a benchmark as to the level of risk involved.

Why were the sub-prime loans made? Because they met the Fannie and Freddie requirements which where lowered by the Frank/Dodd committees. Institutions were REQUIRED to write risky loans in order to avoid their ire in their attempt to make housing "affordable".

Gone were down payment requirements. Gone was proof of income. More than 5 years ago, loans were widely advertised which could be as much as 125% of the appraised price of the house.

I said that Wall Street went wild writing loans which were lucrative while the market was good. No question. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not hold close to the majority of sub-primes loans. No question.

BUT WHO CREATED THE CONDITIONS WHICH MADE THESE LOANS "ACCEPTABLE"?

Not Bush.

I'm still waiting
Come on ,give me big O's,accomplishments 3 from the Annenburg Challenge,3 from ILL senate,and 3 from Congress (you know the one with a 9% approval rating)...OK i'll startAnnenburg Challenge-1)gave money to ACORN,2)gave money to Rezco and his Slums 3)gave funding to Ayers social experimental SKOOLS. ILL. Senate-1)voted present 123 times 2)voted to deny medical attention to botched abortions 3)coined a new scietific term that isn't scientific"viable fetus" he did this in order to nuance his approving infanticide.now to Congress-1)nearly a billion in Pork(all in 143 days)2)one of his "pork" projects,his wife's employer and magically her salery jumps 260%3)voted against the same medical Attention to botched Abortion babies bill-the true friend of the oppressed.From his Momma to his NEW PARTY membership Obama is A Marxist/Socialist-you purposely seek out anti-Americans ,become friends,and have no noticable objection to their Ideology you either agree or condone that Ideology---does that include their anti-Zionists views? -but of course-I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I am this message-NObama 08'

Obama's Radical + Communist Alliances
Bill Ayers is a carefully chosen friend of Barrack Obama. Born in 1944, Currently a professor of education at the University of Illinois.
1) Leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group Weatherman. The Weatherman issued a 'Manifesto', calling for armed opposition to US policies, includig Capitalism and asked white radicals to launch a 'Race War' against 'White Skin Privilege'. Leaders like Mark Rudd (currently a mathematics professor at a New Mexico community college) traveled illegally to Cuba in 1968 for terroist training by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine, who taught Marxist philosophy and urban warfare. Weather men always spelled America - 'AmeriKKKa'.

2) "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents." Bill Ayers

3) Participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972. Ayers proudly stated that he didn’t "regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough."

"America is NOT a just and fair and decent place - it makes me want to puke." Ayers said in 2001

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois Senate.

In 1999 Ayers joined the Woods Fund of Chicago, where he served as a director alongside Barack Obama until the Obama left the Woods board in December 2002.

Review of Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) documents shows that Ayers and Obama each chaired the two CAC operating bodies from 1995 to 2000. Michelle Obama started working at a law firm with Bernadette Dohrn, Ayers wife, in 1985.

Read about other Obama alliances at this link.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml



to Suzanne at 268 re Loyal Democrat
Concern is warranted, but not about LoyalDem. He (she) is a longtime TH poster and a staunch conservative, whose satire is very subtle. It takes the form of an ever-so-slight overstatement of the doctrinaire liberal/leftist/socialist position, and winds up with a sting in its tail -- in post #41, in the echo of the Marxist mantra "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

mesmerized
In my opinion (which I don't think I'm the only one)- B.O. is nothing but a false prophet. He is a "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing". But he has so many people mesmerized with his charm and good looks. They don't want to hear or know anything different. I fear this country is doomed.

Suzanne: Loyal Democrat
Loyal Democrat snags another one!

And I thought he, she, or whatever neutral personal pronoun I'm supposed to use when being politically uber-correct, was gone!

Suzanne, relax: "Loyal Democrat", Townhall's greatest satirist, snags a new reader every time. Don't worry, your blood is supposed to boil the first time.

A Marxist rationale for plantation slavery? Good one.

Exactly!
You are so right Dr. Sowell and all you have to do is look at some of the lib responses to confirm everything you said.

I think people get mad because they can't back up their love of Obama with any logical facts. It's all emotion. NOBODY can tell you anything of Presidential substance about Obama. Even Colin Powell's endorsement was a bunch of rambling gibberish about "intellectual vigor", whatever that is and some other points all about STYLE. There's just no substance. He is simply a plain everyday junior senator. The only thing that stands out is that he is black and speaks and acts like a white.


In love with Obama
I was talking to my 24 year old son about ACORN. He said, "Let's change the subject before I get mad." It is scary that our children won't even read what is going on before they vote for someone they don't know. He promised to "look into it," but I'm assuming he will vote for Obama out of popular and college-living style pressure. If only they had seen the terror that Russia, Germany or Italy caused their people and others. They wouldn't be so nonchalant.

TRUTH vs LIE…

TRUTH and not politics should be printed and spoken when ever and where ever it is being disparaged. For without “The Truth” being known, we find ourselves at this point in history. History has shown that our Freedom and Liberty is rooted in “The Truth”; and prevails only when “Un-truths” are confronted and dispelled. The source of these “Un-truths” must be known and made to acknowledge these “Un-truths”; for what they are, “LIES”.

Those that believe there is no such thing as “RIGHT” and “WRONG” cannot see anything but shades of gray. They will believe these “Un-truths” without questioning them. History has also shown that those who believe without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

I am sick of the media disgorging lies and half-truths; and politicians doing what they want, without regard for the common man and doing what is best for America. Doing the politically correct thing instead of doing “WHAT IS RIGHT” for America and the common man is WRONG; and will be the down-fall of the greatest and most benevolent Nation on this Earth.


Inane Demagoguery Is Easy As 1,2,3!!!
Telling a columnist that his work is phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may pass the time while you pick up the remains of your exploded skull.
It is much the same story with conservative ideologues. They have made up their minds and not only don't want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts.
An e-mail from a physician mentioned trying to tell Thomas Sowell why his recent columns were proof that either he’s: (a) suffered a mild stroke or (b) he’s auditioning for The Onion but, when the doctor tried to argue some facts, Sowell cut him short: "When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can't help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup. (Sowell, May 1, 2007)" he said. End of discussion.
When one thinks of all the men who have put their lives on the line in battle to defend and preserve this country, it is especially painful to think that there are columnists living in the safety and comfort of civilian life who cannot be bothered to manufacture even Kristol-esque word-fertilizer, much less pen something that would make Hugh Hewitt blush.
Of the conservative columnists working today, few have a weaker body of work than Thomas Powell. Some of Sowell's most fervent supporters could tell you what he has actually done is make a living argument against affirmative action, but much less what he plans to do to stop embarrassing himself.

John from NY
John, I do read, learn and inform myself. That's why I can't believe that any American could possibly cast a vote for him.

Please tell me how you defend what George Patton Jr III said right back there.

Steve #31 and AynRandLives
You maybe the same person...but in any case I may be in LOVE...one quote and another time the name mentioned...WOW...almost more than my little heart can stand. Nice to see some literate people on this string.
I would like to see proof that someone has read "Atlas Shrugged" BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE. They might also need to show that they understand what is said and know something about the author. Might CHANGE a lot of things?

Gary
"Entire decades of his life are foggy at best"

That's because after he finished teaching in the temple doing his father's work, he went into the wilderness to "organize". Now, he comes back to us...

This is the "left" version of the New Testament.

TruthHurts? PUHLEEZE!
I don't know "TRUTHHurts?" out there in Pennsylvania land (thee same Pennsylvania that is replete with rednecks and racists?). But, I am an egomaniac. I can spot one when I see one, listen to one, read one. In response #1's posting, the individual is obvioulsy another indoctrinated soul that has not received a legitimate education from our schools! However, the individual sure does give themselves a big pat on the back with demonstrating to themself how adroit they think they are! Ching Cha! :-)

Ahh, but we DO know...
Sure, we know lots about Barack Obama. Barack Obama hangs out with known terrorists and the "God Damn America"-crowd. Barack Obama said, "My muslim faith" and "I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift"(Barack Obama,"Audacity of Hope")but, the media says he's a Christian? Barack thinks there are 58 states in the United States. Barack thinks we can solve the gas crisis by making sure our tires are properly inflated. Barack wants to raise taxes on everyone during this "economic crisis". Barack tells his followers to "get in their faces" of all those who oppose him.(I guess this is how he will "heal the nation"). Barack Obama supports the act of a doctor taking a live, screaming, kicking, crying baby and driving a wedge into its skull ruthlessly killing it. Do you Obama supporters support the killing of babies like this? Do you support the murder of children like Barack Obama does? After all, Barack said "women should not be burdened with a baby they don't want". Help kill the children - Vote for Barack Obama in '08!

Big O's career
Here's a test name me three positives from the Annenburg Challenge,Now name me three positives from the ILL. Senate,now name me three positives from Congress..now since we now that Obama has been raised with Marxist/Socialism since very young and has aligned himself that way throughout his career,tell me why I shouldn't assert that he is indeed a Marxist/Socialist....all through his career he has aligned himself with Radical /anti Americans and anti-semites why shouldn't i be concerned that he is Anti-American as well as a Jew -Hater?Since Obama has told me 95% of America will get tax breaks why should I strive to better myself since 5% are going to support the Tax system---As to natinal Health care--name me one Gov't run program that isn't a Clusterf***----I see a change a Comin',a comin' around the bend,and we won't see the sunshine till we don't know when(sung to the tune of 'Folsum Prison Blues"by you know the man in black----NObama 08'

@ Gary:
The reason his bio is foggy to you is your own lack of intellectual curiosity and inquisitiveness! Read, listen and inform yourself man - we live in the 21st century and there is plenty of info out there.

Obama who?
He is the one candidate out of all four we know least about. We don't even know his nationality - which is a constitutional issue - because he refuses to simply release his birth certificate. What is he hiding?

Entire decades of his life are foggy at best.

This is GOP!
Threats, threats, threats.......
This is the true face of GOP!

http://blogtalkingpoints.blogspot.com/2008/10/do-they-need- hug-or-what.html

Eagle
I share your sentiments but not your optimism. Should Obama win, the media and other Demoncrats will grant him credit for anything and everything that transpires that they can spin as good and continue to blame Republicans and GWB for anything and everything that is bad.


Infighting--
We have all noticed a lot of infighting by different factions on this thread. It is our right to argue.
At this house we will vote for Mac and Sarah, although Mac was not our first choice. Hunter and Tancredo were our first choices due to their strong stance against illegal immigration and they put America first, front and center. The MSM and pro illegal crowd dissed them. So we were left with Mac and Barack. Being hard core conservatives we will support Mac and the Barracuda.
It seems that both candidates have swept the illegal immigration problem under the rug???
Yet billions of our money is being spent needlessly in the illegals behalf.
One worry that many of us talk about is who is really pulling the strings of these 2 candidates and how much do the American people really know??? Are groups outside of America heavily involved??
We cannot predict exactly what will happen ;in the next 4 years because we don't have a list of all the players and their agendas. Therefore we hope that The Repubs can put Americans first and foremost.. Great article by Dr. Sowell.

Presidential Potential
We are about to see a man who has spent his time in the Senate running for president be give the post based on his POTENTIAL to do a good job. I don't want my president getting on-the-job training.


Right Again!
If John McCain can be transparent about his life why can't Obama? Apparently all democrats want is a
white/black man from where? Born where? Void of
Godly wisdom? Do democrats know the meaning of
the words Socialism, Marxism, lying, mismanagement
of funds, Militants? Do they know what life is like in
Cuba & Venezuela? Have they given any thought to
what it is like to not have a vote? Ask the people in
those countries!
If Senator Obama is elected and Speaker Pelosi and
Senator Reid are in charge of Congress, there will be
nothing stopping them from raising your taxes, immediately
pulling out of Iraq and placing your healthcare decisions
in the hands of government bureaucrats.
Republicans & Democrates go to:
http://shoutthegoodnews.blogspot.com/

We can make a difference!

Reason Obama is getting his way!!
Please read this information about the use of hypnosis by Barach Obama.


http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosi s_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf this is scary!

Immature
Your description fits my sister-in-law to a T. She's a 60s radical hippy type that lived in the People's Republic of Boulder for many years. She stood in my kitchen last year and viciously said that she wanted to kill President Bush, and she meant it. I had to reprimand her for talking like that in my house. This is a woman in her early 60s and a teacher. She's now out campaigning for Obama.

I think people like this are immature and childish. They don't want to face the realities of life that you have to face as an adult. My sister-in-law continues to provide a good example.

She badgered her husband to quit his good, solid job at Coors because she didn't like his nighttime hours. They've struggled financially ever since. She retired from teaching last year, right after they bought a new house and took several vacations. She found that she had to go back to work (Duh!). They also bought their house next to an airport but complain about the noise from the planes.

Childish and irresponsible. Is it no wonder she's voting for Obama? She needs someone to take care of her.

Experience: Best/Most Expensive Teacher
While Sowell is correct that one will never, ever persuade through reason and logic a committed Obama zombie, one may succeed in getting through to such a zombie by means of the unthinkable coming to fuition:

An Obama presidency and a Demorcatic Congress along w/ an unapologetically leftist media will enable America to see with their eyes and by experience everything horrible which conservatives have been arguing would ensue if such plays out. Rather than theorize which political philosophy is superior (liberalism vs. conservatism), we'll have the hard data to prove which political philosophy is superior.

The downside is that experience, though the best teacher, is the most expensive, and the price America will pay for attaining this hard data is likely irreparable -- irreparable in terms of (1) constitutionally irresponsible Supreme Court Justices (remember these black robe wearing clowns retain their jobs for life with no check on their authority save for their consciences which liberals lack entirely); (2) irreparable in terms of national security domestically and internationally -- do ya think Putin, Al Quada, Hmas Hezbollah Iran, North Korea would be more inclinced to test a President Obama or a President McCain?); (3) a revamping of the fundamental tax structure which on a spectrum between free market capitalism and socialism is much closer to socialism under Obama than under McCain and we know this by Obama's and Biden's very own words.

In short, Obama's far leftist liberalism is too dangerous to conduct an experiment with simply to prove a point. America reecovered from the disasterous Carter Administration but only after 8 years of a true American hero of a President in Reagan -- we were lucky. Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a God send in comparison.

Obama is a very very very dangerous man and should not run a Dairy Queen much less the United States of America.

Choices MUST be made
Corbett misses the point. Even if you don't vote, SOMEONE will be elected. In the case of McCain verses Obama, for me the choice is like whether to eat bland tofu or pure poison. I don't like bland tofu, but it won't kill me, so it is a far better choice.

You can't choose not to eat; the election will occur. You will either be force fed McCain or Obama. You may say that you will not take McCain at any price, but do you actually prefer the greater disaster that Obama represents? Anyone who has studied Omama at all knows he is a far greater danger to our nation.

Change
Why is "change" such an attractive issue in this election?

I think it is because the people recognize something that the politicians in Washington do not -- that the nation is driving toward the edge of a precipice. John McCain says, "Let's stay the course." Husein Obama says, "Change course."

Think about it. Which message inspires more confidence? If you know you are heading into disaster on the current course, do you choose someone who doesn't recognize the impending doom? Or do look for someone who is at least bright enough to want to change?

It's true that Obama's idea of change is to step on the accelerator & send us hurtling off the cliff ever so slightly faster that McCain would. But given the two choices we have, I cannot see that Obama is any worse than McCain.

The change we SHOULD be thinking about is what sort of government we want after the one we have collapses.

Sowell Misses The Point, Yet Again
Sowell says, "Don't vote for Obama because we don't know what this 'change' of his will be because we know nothing about Obama."

That's not the problem. The problem is we KNOW about McCain & we don't want him. There are many (and I am among them) who will not take McCain at any price.

The GOP overreached itself. The GOP's SOP is to nominate a leftist pro-government candidate, call him a moderate & shove him down their base's throat. This time they nominated someone who was too closely and publicly associated with Teddy Kennedy & all he stands for. Most of us cannot and will not swallow McCain. We know that he would be an unmitigated disaster & we will not inflict him on the nation.

Sowell has written a string of articles telling us how bad Obama is. Most of us hardily agree. But no one -- not even McCain himself -- has come up with even one reason we should vote for John McCain.

Thank you for the demonstration
And if you wonder about the smug obnoxiousness of the self styled elite liberal in this country “Dark Matter” just demonstrated it for you.

DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS

.....What this article proves ...

.....A large percentage of the populace are ignorant or stupid or both ...

.....They cannot learn from History because History is no longer taught ...how many could name the last Russian Csar off the top of their head? ....maybe one in a hundred? .....COLOSSUS

#266
"Wealthy people will not keep buying new luxury items when you take their money"

B.S., capitolized. B.S.

You know, taxes for the $250k/year crowd would go up about $6,000/year in 2012 under McCain. The same taxes under Obama would go up about $8,000/year from the current tax liability.

$250k/year Adjusted Gross Income 2012

McCain = $73,393 due
Obama = $77,634 due

$1,000,000 year AGI

McCain = $368,000 due
Obama = $407,000 due

$39,000 difference

Now please tell me how $3-4,000/year difference in taxes is going to stop the economy and cut jobs.

95% of small business owners DO NOT make $250K/year and above. So who's going to be cutting jobs because of the tax hikes?

Loyal Dem, Ga. Post #41
I have scanned through these posts, noting the usual bickering back and forth, the insults and name calling, etc. Then I read post #41, Loyal Dem of Ga. His comment chilled me to the bone! Just as Joe the Plumber illuminated Obama's economic policy, Loyal Dem reveals Obama's true social agenda. Too bad Loyal Dem's comment was not caught on tape so the masses would have a clearer idea of the beliefs of the man they are considering for President of the United States!! But even then, they probably wouldn't "hear" the truth, because they wouldn't choose to be bothered with an unpleasant realization. Another unpleasant realization for those of us who have read history and observed the world for awhile is that all great civilizations have declined into obscurity--the Greeks, the Romans, European civilization--and now America?? God have Mercy on us all.

Jeffrey #254
Forget it. Obama's a citizen of the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

Listen to This
This sound clip is really illuminating.

http://boomp3.com/listen/c1hbq1ljl_8/stern-2008-10-01cf