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Friday, December 05, 2008
Sharla Ishmael :: Townhall.com Columnist
Life on the Border
by Sharla Ishmael
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Joe Johnson’s family has lived and worked on the same property near Columbus, N.M., for almost 100 years. “Our grandfather came here in 1918, right behind Pancho Villa,” he says proudly. Yet he also admits, “If it wasn’t home, I would move away from it.”

The Johnson ranch lies right up against the Mexican border, and illegal immigration has turned what was already a hard way to make a living on drought--plagued rangeland into a nightmare of stolen cattle, broken water lines,ruined fences and grass fi res.

“In 2005, we had 500-plus people crossing our ranch every day,” explains housewife, Teresa Johnson. “In 2006, we had 1,000-plus people crossing every day.These are not our numbers; these are Border Patrol numbers. They had counted foot draff c and the numbers of people they caught and things like that. So, you can just imagine what our fences look like.

“We were afraid for our kids to even walk out to the barn to feed animals. We had to go as a group. One time we walked into the barn and found 15 people sitting there. And the trash is unreal.”

DESTROYING PROPERTY

In addition to the usual backpacks, water bottles and clothing, the Johnsons have even found hypodermic needles and syringes in their water troughs. In fact, water sources are a major problem in areas where illegal traffic is heavy. You might think that people wandering through land that belongs to someone else would politely turn on a faucet, fill up their jug and turn off the water. Nope.

“These people will cut pipelines, bathe in our water troughs and even defecate in our water troughs,” explains Teresa.

“That’s not to mention, they would tear off our fl oat valves trying to get a drink of water,” adds Joe. “And if we didn’t catch this quickly, it would drain all of our storage systems. A lot of water in this area is pipelined in for miles. When it would drain, then it would airlock the pipelines. It might take a couple of days before we could get water fl owing again.”

“Keep in mind the expense of all this, ”  he says. “We’ve got about 10 miles of U.S.-Mexico border on the ranch. When the traffic was at its worst, we had to look at the fence at least once or twice a day. And that’s just the border fence. Our time was consumed with it. If we weren’t fixing fence, we were doctoring cattle or pumping water they had drained out.”

LIVESTOCK LOST

Their water problems went far beyond broken fl oats. In 2005, the Johnsons lost 18 calves to a respiratory disease. At first, they were afraid that some illegals had brought in a disease (which could very well happen through contaminated clothing, shoes, etc.). They brought in the state veterinarian and the livestock board to help them figure out what was causing their cattle to become sick.

“What was happening is we were having cattle break into pasteurella pneumonia,” Joe Johnson explains. “We had calves getting sick with this, and if you don’t catch it quick, they die. What caused it was so much illegal traffic coming across. It was during the heat of the summer, so when the cattle would go to a water source, there might be 50 to 100 people there. They would drive my cattle away, scare them.”

“Those people would eventually leave, and our cattle would start drifting back in to get another drink of water. Unfortunately, another big group of illegals would come in and run them off again,” Johnson says. “This continued 24-hours a day, seven days a week. If traffic would have continued like that, or if it was to come back like that, it would probably put us out of business.”

NEEDED: MANPOWER AND A FENCE

Luckily, about that time, the National Guard was sent into the area for two years. Due to their presence, along with an increase in Border Patrol numbers, the Johnsons say that conditions on their ranch have improved tremendously. However, the National Guard recently left, and Joe says his family is already starting to see traffic pick up a little.

In the meantime, they’re hoping that infrastructure being put in place will help keep traffic down. The Army Corps of Engineers has been putting vehicle barriers along the border, as well as pedestrian barriers. And the Johnsons also think the U.S. government’s plan to fence off the border will help.

“The pedestrian barriers being built in certain areas, like around Palomas [Mexico] about 15 to 20 feet tall, I think can help,” says Johnson. “I don’t think anything as far as a fence is a sure thing to stop it, but I do believe a fence is very much a necessity, especially for livestock movement. Also, the vehicle barriers they’re building in our area should help. We had a lot of vehicle crossings. I have one pasture that had six abandoned vehicles in it in 2006.”

One particular vehicle crossing was especially scary. Teresa explains, “In January, there was a pickup that had been used for smuggling drugs, and it was on the Mexican side. They put a brick or something on the accelerator, tied the steering wheel to the door and put it in gear. They set it on fire re, and it came across about three-fourths of a mile into the United States.”

“I can’t believe it got this far traveling across country, unmanned,” she says. “We think it was aimed at one of the National Guard skyboxes. It got stuck in a rat den and burned to the ground. We couldn’t believe that it didn’t start a grass fire re. This was in January, and we hadn’t had any rain since September of last year, so it was very, very dry.”

Other times, they haven’t been so lucky with fires res. In July of 2005, three immigrants who were consequently picked up by the Border Patrol admitted to starting a fire re that resulted in 100 acres of the Johnson’s precious grassland being burned. That land has yet to recover.

“They said the only reason they lit this fire re is because they were tired and thirsty and they wanted the Border Patrol to come pick them up,” says Johnson. “So they lit a match. We’ve had other places on the ranch that have been burned as well, but they didn’t catch the people who did it.”

IMPERTINENT AND ILLEGAL

To add insult to injury, the Johnsons say the attitude of many illegals they have encountered on their property leaves much to be desired. For example, after a vehicle barrier was constructed about a mile long on the north side of their fence in 2005, Teresa says that in a matter of days the people on the other side of the border rolled up that mile of their fence, apparently thinking they had abandoned it. So she and her husband had to rebuild that stretch of fence to keep their cattle in.

“It was very expensive to replace that fence, and while my husband and I were building it, busload after busload of people were coming out of Palomas, which is the village south of Columbus, ” Teresa explains. “They were crossing right in front of us. They had no fear. There would be 80 or 90 people get off this bus, urinate right in front of us, say all kinds of obscene things to us, give us the finger.”

“I’m sorry, but I think if you want to come over here, we’re definitely not welcoming you with open arms with that kind of attitude,” she says. “Used to, when they came through, they were half-starved, and you would feed them. That’s just what you did. And then you would call the Border Patrol.”

“But now,” Teresa says, “they are demanding, and they want a ride—which we would never do. It’s a totally different type of person coming across. It’s so dangerous, not just for us but for them, too. We’ve had people here that were so dehydrated they didn’t know who they were. They didn’t know where they were. It was very sad.”

STRAIN ON LOCAL RESOURCES

Just as aggravating is the impact the illegals have on local healthcare and educational systems. The nearest hospital for the Johnsons is45 minutes away in Deming. That hospital has spent millions of dollars providing services to indigent people. According to 2005 U.S. House Judiciary Committee testimony by U.S. Republican Congressman Steve Pearce, who represents New Mexico’s 2ndDistrict, which includes Deming and all of the state’s Mexican border, illegal immigrants have comprised up to one quarter of Deming’s Mimbres Memorial Hospital’s patients annually. Pearce also testified that “providing emergency care to illegal immigrants costs the hospital at least $400,000 per month.”

“What I can’t understand is that they’ll send an ambulance to the port south of Columbus to pick up a woman in labor,” she says. “Yet when my son was in a car accident, bleeding all over the place with glass in him, they wouldn’t even touch him [at the hospital] until I showed proof of insurance and paid my $50 co-pay. Something is wrong with that.”

Teresa is also aggravated by the multiple school buses that actually cross into Mexico to pick up kids in Palomas that get a free education in her local schools. She says the rationale is that these are American citizens who happen to live in Mexico. There are so many that Columbus has built an extra elementary school, and a bond to build anew high school recently failed.

“It’s frustrating to me when agriculture is a tax base for the county, and it’s coming out of my pocket to educate people from another country, ” she explains.

LIVES AT RISK

Even with all those problems, perhaps the most sinister problem for the Johnsons is a cattle thief from the other side. He registered their brand in Mexico (with a slight alteration) so he could easily sell the cattle he stole from them. In fact, Teresa and Joe feel their safety is so threatened by this theif that they do not allow photos of themselves to be published.

Unfortunately, it’s not too hard to imagine how that threat could be carried out.

“It was not uncommon to have someone looking in your window every morning at 5 o’clock,” says Teresa. “We’re very isolated. We were even afraid to go to town to buy groceries.”

“During its worst, I saw illegals everyday,” Joe says. “I live three miles from the border, and I have two or three dogs here at all times. It was getting to the point between the dogs barking at them and an illegal knocking on my window, it was getting hard to sleep at night. As far as I can tell, we are still on the U.S. side of the border, and I ought to be, in my opinion, just as safe as anybody in Colorado or anywhere else. I shouldn’t have all this illegal traffic crossing me like this.”

“It’s hard to explain the insanity it was,” Joe recalls, “and I just hope and pray it doesn’t come back like that.”

ANGRY IN ARIZONA

Wendy and Warner Glenn have lived on their ranch in the San Bernardino valley of Arizona, east of Douglas, since 1963.They have close to four miles of border fence with Mexico, and they, too, have seen it all when it comes to problems stemming from illegal immigration.

“I’m 67 and my husband is 72. We both grew up around Douglas,” Wendy says. “For years and years, we’d see maybe eight or nine illegals go through a month. They were going to specific jobs they had with specific ranches or businesses in the area.”

“Then in the late ’60s, we started seeing drug trafficking coming through,” Wendy adds. “They would bring marijuana bundles in or fly over and drop it or whatever. The U.S. government brought Customs and DEA into the area, and then after that it started escalating a little more and a little more.”

“Then, probably in the last 10 to 15years,” Glenn says, “there have been huge groups of people coming through. We’ve seen groups of up to 100 from all different countries, but mostly Mexican. We have had Chinese picked up on our property, Pakistanis, you name it.”

TRAILS OF ILLEGALS: FOOTPRINTS AND TRASH

Glenn recalls how the amnesty program of the 1980s brought huge numbers of people through the area. And since then, whenever the president of the United States and the president of Mexico are seen together on television, talking about the relationship between the two countries, she says they see a surge of people expecting amnesty again.

“What we see here now are daily trails across the country that are from three to four feet wide,” Glenn says. “We see family groups with little kids. We don’t see the people as much as we see the footprints and the trash—disposable diapers, baby bottles, clothing, blankets, all kinds of trash. Nowadays, we also see cell phones, electrolytes, a lot of naproxen and even paperwork, like social security cards and IDs that they have lost.”

The Glenns’ ranch is part of the Malpai Borderlands Group, which is an organization formed by landowners to implement ecosystem management on nearly 1 million acres of open rangeland in southeastern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico. The group had a trash cleanup program, paying a man to clean up after the immigrants for eight hours a day. It took four years to complete.

COYOTES: THIEVES AND LIARS

“The groups that come in have leaders called coyotes. Those guys know the ways to go through, and they get paid a lot per person to bring them in,” Wendy says. “They cut our fences, they mash down our fences, they rob some of the ranchers. Generally, the robberies happen when a group of people take drugs north and they’re going back south. They stop at a ranch house and take off with everything they can carry—in a pickup they stole from the ranch they were robbing.”

Glenn says the coyotes also lie to the people they are being paid to guide, telling them it’s an easy trip or that it’s not as far to their destination as it really is. And if someone can’t keep up, they get left behind. In fact, the Glenns have rescued several people, including a woman who went into labor early and delivered a baby in one of their pastures.

The woman’s husband and brother who were traveling with her found apiece of broken glass to cut the umbilical cord and luckily found their way to the Glenn ranch house. By the time they got there, the mother was going into shock. Wendy had a woman helping her at the time who happened to have a bit of nursing experience, and she helped stabilize the woman until an ambulance sent by the Border Patrol got there.

TAKING A TOLL

The heavy foot traffic takes a toll on the land and wildlife as well as the landowners and their livestock. “They make these trails, and there is erosion when it rains,” Glenn explains. “In the summer when they’re looking for shade, they’ll pull up a bunch of grass by the roots and lay it on top of the mesquite bushes for shade. We don’t have much grass to start with, and when you pull it out by the roots, it’s over. And they are killing the small wildlife to eat.”

One of the Glenns’ neighbors found some illegals who had butchered a newborn calf he had just penned up with its mother. While he went to get a trailer to take the livestock home to the ranch headquarters because of calving problems, the aliens had killed the calf and were cooking some of the meat over a fire by the time he got back.

Glenn says the smugglers around Douglas have taken to an interesting tactic to get their drugs past Border Patrol checkpoints. They will scope out a local resident’s vehicle and then clone it right down to the grill guard and bumper stickers. Even Forest Service and Border Patrol vehicles have been cloned.

You have to almost admire their ingenuity. In Douglas, which has long been prone to stealing as well as illegal crossings, Glenn says the town now has a huge fence to keep people out.

“The people on the other side had a gate cut in the fence at some point after they put the solid wall in. They welded hinges on the gate, put a hasp on it and locked it. When they wanted to come through with their loads, they would unlock it and come through with several trucks at a time when the Border Patrol wasn’t watching,” she says. “Finally, the Border Patrol accidentally saw a truck. They looked, and there was a gate. In fact, there are gates all along the border.”

They’ve also found ways around the vehicle barriers.

“We have an eight-strand barbed-wire fence out here. And they are replacing about 14 miles with vehicle barriers, which are rails set on two posts—one at each end,” she explains. “The vehicles can’t drive through. But the dopers have trailers with ramps on them now. They back up and drive up over those ramps and land on the other side of the barrier. In places, there are ditches to try and stop them, and the just put a bridge across them with a ramp.”

“Over by Naco [Ariz.], they have a huge fence. They tore out the vehicle barriers because the ramps couldn’t stop the traffic. They weren’t concerned about people walking through the barriers until they saw how many people there were. So, they built a fence. Now they have a full-time fence-repair person who gets out every morning and patches the holes that were cut in the fence. They had lights and cameras, all kinds of people watching those fences. And they still had people coming through it with ladders and ropes,” Glenn says.

INVADED BY MEXICAN GOVERNMENT FORCES

Another thing people don’t know is there are a lot of incursions into the United States by federal troops from Mexico, according to Glenn. She says they come armed in Humvees to intimidate ranchers. “They’re running interference ahead of the dopers, clearing the path for them because they’re in on the deal,” she explains.

When asked what should be done about these problems, Glenn thinks it’s already too late.

“I don’t think we can stop it unless we have some kind of guest-worker program where they can legally come inhere with papers,” she explains. “They have been told that we’re going to do this kind of program but after two years they have to go home. Well, you can’t take somebody and put them in a fancy hotel for two years and then expect them to go back and live in a tent out in the middle of nowhere. They’re not going to go back down there and starve. Mexico has got to make it where their citizens want to stay home.”

NOT EXPECTING MUCH FROM WASHINGTON

But Wendy Glenn is neither holding her breath for that nor for our elected officials to get a true picture of what is actually going on at the border.

Several years ago, Glenn was one of several ranchers invited to a “private” meeting with several congressional representatives, including Arizona Republican Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain, former Rep. Jim Kolbe and Asa Hutchison, the new head of Border Security for the new Department of Homeland Security at the time.

“When we got to the meeting, the press were at the meeting and there were people picketing up and down the highway. They had the Border Patrol in charge of this meeting, and the sector chief at the time got up and gave them a bunch of facts and figures about what was going on,” Glenn recalls. “The chief said, ‘We’ve stemmed the flow.’ The ranchers and I were looking at each other, thinking we just saw a lot going on out on the border the last few days!”

“So, then we rode around in vans,” Wendy says, “and I was lucky enough to be in a van with Kolbe, Kyl, McCain, Hutchison, some of the aides and the sector chief of the border patrol. We were driving down the border going west, about 40 miles an hour, passing Border Patrol fixing fence—which we had never seen. There were helicopters in the air, light towers, camera towers, Border Patrol trucks parked every 50 or 60 feet off the road watching.”

“Mr. Hutchison looked out as the helicopter went over and asked, ‘Is this like this all the time or is this just for us?’” Wendy remembers. “The sector chief said it was this way on the whole border. One of the ranchers with me rolled his eyes and said, ‘I live here. This is my ranch. And I have never seen it.”

“Our people in Washington are like everybody else in the country,” she says.“ They get bits and pieces. I feel bad for President Bush—and every president—because he is fed information and has to make a decision based on what he hears. They don’t get the whole story, and they can’t go out on the ground without some big dog-and-pony show.”

“There’s a lot of stuff going on, and I don’t know how they’re going to stop it,” Glenn says. “They need to make it where people in Mexico want to stay home. And I don’t think it’s going to happen: It’s gone too far.”

WORKING TOGETHER

The good news is that both families say they have a good working relationship with the Border Patrol.

In Arizona, Wendy Glenn credits the Border Patrol’s stakeholder group that was formed to work out problems and keep communications flowing between the agency and landowners along the border. The group meets monthly to discuss problems and questions and works together to address those issues.

In New Mexico, too, the agency has a ranch liaison group that stays in contact with local ranchers and handles their concerns as they arise. For example, they are working with ranchers to design a vehicle barrier that will keep livestock contained.

While the Border Patrol may have a thankless job in many aspects, as Joe Johnson says, “We need the Border Patrol out here.”

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Sharla Ishmael is a Texas-based freelance writer who grew up in New Mexico on a purebred cattle ranch and has written on illegal immigration for numerous publications.
 
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Well....here's a reason.....
to put U.S. troops on the border....

"We’ve seen groups of up to 100 from all different countries, but mostly Mexican. We have had Chinese picked up on our property, Pakistanis, you name it.”

Chinese and Pakistanis coming up through the south....

yep, the wheels are coming off and the hubcaps are already gone....unbelievable!

Silver Lion from OH

I can understand why a republican might be soft on border security. Everytime a republican advocates tigher security on the border, Liberals start calling him racist. But what's the Democrats excuse?

We know that the Liberal media supresses crime stories about illegals. We know California's prision population is 1/3 illegals. We know that Texas has spent 500 million dollars on healthcare for illegals. We know they are draining education dollars everywhere they settle. The public officials from those states have explained all this. But the Liberal media refuses to go to the border and speak with the residents of these communities and find out how much damage illegals are doing.

Perhaps this is why many liberals don't understand how serious an issue this is.

Life on the Border
Rancher Glenn says Washington doesn't get the whole story. Well, help is on he way, On January 15, 2009, American Border Patrol, a non-profit Arizona corporation will make a report of two years of study of the border.

ABP has a ranch on the border and for the past two years it has performed aerial surveillance of the border from Texas to the Pacific Ocean every two months.

The report will be delivered at the National Press Club in Washington. D.C. Many of the issues raised in this story will be addressed. ABP will show exactly were each type of fence and barriers is along the border.

Most importantly ABP will show how border fencing and barriers is linked to the on-going drug war in Mexico.

until you live it, see it, smell it, etc
you cannot and will not believe it. the liberal media do not want the rest of the country to know it.


Reality destroyed by liberalism ...
So, liberals and conservatives ignore the painful truth: THERE IS AN INVASION GOING ON!!#*&$ We cannot afford this stupidity...we are committing suicide! No country worth its salt would disrespect its own border. Our government is ignorant and shortsited. Compassion does not negate logic (except by today's leaders)!

Its like this in the inner cities too
There are gang problems never seen or anticipated even 25 years ago thanks to illegal immigrants. I'm sure some well insulated lib will direct us to a website that will tell those of us actually living with the fallout how mistaken we are.

What a nightmare!
I was in Sierra vista 10 years ago. The mess made by illegals was incredible.

It has only gotten worse.

Barry Dunham's pick of Gov. Napolitano as Homeland Security Czar is frightening.

She cannot protect the citizens of Arizona, or will not. How can she protect the Nation?


It's today's mentality....
Nothing will be done because the over-riding mentality today is that protecting our borders, enforcming immigration law and our sovereignty is racist, bigoted, nativist, etc.

Mexico is a chronically corrupt country and has been for centuries. Nothing will change until half of Mexico's population is in the USA and believe me, they are well along the well to sending half of their population already.

As Barry The Great said - "don't worry about 'immigrants' learning English, just make sure your kids learn Spanish".


PRINCESS PELOSI PARTY PLANE
This article is bad enough but it doesn't mention the 3000 Americans who are murdered by illegal aliens each year.

It doesn't mention the thousands of thugs, dope dealers, rapists, murderers, cop killers, and child molesters who are encouraged to sneak into the U.S. by the likes of Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Obama and Mel (rhymes with Fidel) Martinez.

It's time to drag them off their party planes, force them to fix the fences, and then deport them.

No voice in DC
What happened to the elected representatives from the border states? They need to be screaming to DC. And why isn't the Customs and Border Patrol boss reporting this to DC? And why isn't ICE reporting this to DC? And why isn't Homeland Security reporting to DC? WHERE'S THIER CHAIN OF COMMAND?
Our Republick is off the track. Can someone put US back on? We need a leader, and our country suffers.

great article
Thanks TH for running it again. This article and others like it should be nailed to every door in every government building from now until something is done about it. When the libs take them down WE need to put another in its place. The only way to fix this is to bug the govt. night and day until they get off their fat @sses.

A Nation without Borders
Is Not a Nation.

It is not racist, it is not bigoted, it is not nativist, it is not xenophobic - it is called SOVEREIGNTY.

I can somewhat understand (not really) how liberals in most of America can buy into 'Shamnesty' but have to wonder how political enablers of criminal illegal aliens in CA, AZ, NM, & TX get re-elected? It defies logic and common sense.

One (sane, rational, thinking) has to wonder if America would be in it's current Economic situation (or how much more it is exacerbated) by the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens? Every single political position from local to state to federal are supposed to uphold and enforce the Laws, to protect and defend the American citizen, first.

Is it not racist, is it not bigoted, is it not nativist, is it not xenophobic - to protect, promote and defend criminal illegal NON-citizens above and before one's own citizens? Talk about Un-Constitutional - any political person who votes and/or violates the Immigration Laws - should be Impeached. NOW.

Bambi's
There are people who think that the illegals are a deer caught in headlights. Dazed and confused. We need to remember that they are criminals who crash our borders and steal our identities. They come here for jobs lower our wages and take entry level jobs from our young workers. They give us nothing but cost a lot of money. We need to rid ourselves of this problem. The solution is simple stop the flow of money and services and they will leave. Finally every time I look at an immigrate I automatically think that they are illegal. This is not fair to all the immigrates that enter our country legally.

america is almost lost
This is an excellent article,it brings out the real life on the border.So much is going on in the cities that grew out of the border problems.We try to make every American citizen happy & content were tearing this country apart from with in,and our government has its own program which does not include the best for our country.How does the saying go,you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time!No great nation has stayed on top forever just look back at history.This is our decling years I'm sorry to say.Fireplace police in the bay area thats the best I've heard lately.

the red herring about the fence cost

One of the egregious red herring canards about building the border fence is the projected cost. POPPYCOCK! What will REALLY be staggering are the colossal socio-economic costs associated with the tsunami of ignorant, indigent ILLEGAL aliens if their invasion is not stanched and reversed via attritive repatriation following REAL enforcement of EXISTING laws.

For several billion AT MOST, we could have an impenetrable fence.

Your federal government spends about $6 billion of your tax $ A DAY! (NOT counting printing $ for bailouts!) Worse still perhaps, it is paying for its profligate ways by borrowing WAY TOO MUCH and printing $, making your fuel price soar, which multiplies through the economy, even as global companies outsource your jobs overseas.

Your government is substantially squandering $2 TRILLION all-in (per TIME) on Iraq because some neoCONS around Presidente Jorge (Wolfowitz, Perle Libby, Wurmser... and buddies Kristol, May, Ledeen, Gaffney, Krauthammer) wanted permanent bases there to protect Israel... the REAL reason we took out Saddam, who was an ENEMY of Osama.

For what we spend in a few DAYS on Iraq, we could have a border fence that would last like the Pyramids! And BOY would it FINALLY send a different message to the millions of largely ignorant indigent who want to milk America for its currently unprotected bounty. So much for Presidente Jorge's Oath of Office, "to defend and protect the borders of the United States..."

a contemporaneous post

O. Location: AZ

Date: Dec 4, 2008 - 3:12 PM EST


Amnesty Awakens to Fiscal Reality--
Enlightened conservatives have been speaking to this issue for years, mostly to deaf ears. Illegal immigration is a HUGE fiscal burden on the Nation and that does not include all the other issues like the wide and disproportionate array of crimes committed. From jobs being taken away, to money being exported to their home country, to heavy reliance on social
services like hospitals (e.g., lot of babies delivered at taxpayers' expense), to subsidized education, to translation services, to free legal representation, to the costs associated with crime like more police presence, ID theft and false ID fabrication, drug running and distribution, near total disregard for traffic laws, kidnappings, rapes, thefts, assaults,
muggings, murders, and on and on.

The democrats specialize in capturing the uninformed, easily duped voters. That's one more reason illegal immigration is a looming danger to the country. The dems will give them amnesty and citizenship in exchange for
their vote for the next three generations. And with that demographics' minimum of four kids per family, the dems can rest easy.

what YOU can do to save America

What exactly are ILLEGAL aliens "entitled to" from American society? The wayward side (e.g. Geraldo, Linda Chavez, Smilin' Juan Hernandez) proffers inane apologia and prattle such as, "border crossing is a minor transgression akin to jaywalking," or "they are just trying to feed their families," or "they are just doing those jobs Americans won't do," or "America needs their cheap labor." ALL of these are willful, fatuous, disingenuous, red herring equivocations and outright prevarications!

ANY ILLEGAL alien who works here is automatically committing multiple felonious frauds, which does not count the pandemic social pathologies which permeate with them like the black death. It is NOT the obligation of American society and taxpayers to bail out corrupt and failed plutocratic Latin American governments by providing employment and social welfare for their myriad ignorant indigent.

America CANNOT AFFORD this so-called "cheap labor," which actually benefits ONLY the relative few miscreant employers; a hotel room or head of lettuce is NO CHEAPER to YOU as a result of ILLEGAL alien labor.

When the feds make their "show raids" on miscreant employers such as meat processing plants, Americans (often the LEGAL workers previously displaced) usually refill the jobs IMMEDIATELY, giving lie to the myth of, "doing jobs Americans won't do."

Just below are the official contact sites for Congress... a few clicks, and you can EASILY send e-mails or call them. Even easier--> NumbersUSA gives you FREE, prepared e-mails to send, and even targets your people in Congress for you.

BOOKMARK THESE, and get engaged today! America would be a terrible thing to lose! YOU can help prevent that tragedy! Please join in and save YOUR country!

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

Why ILLEGAL aliens are unwelcome

The following was submitted to the LA Times by Rosemary LaBonte. No surprise it was considered "Politically Incorrect" by the Leftist Times and not published--

In 1900 European immigrants flooded the US. They stood in long lines at Ellis Island to be documented. They pledged to uphold the laws and support their new country. They made learning English and securing employment a priority. Some even changed names to better assimilate.

They said good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and helped them assimilate. Nothing was handed to them-- No free lunches, no welfare, and no labor laws to protect them. All they had were their skills to trade for a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age during World War II. My father fought with men whose parents were immigrants. None of these 1st generation Americans cared where their parents came from. They were defending America as one people. When we liberated France, no one there looked for the French, German or Irish-American. The French saw only AMERICANS. We carried one flag, representing one country. None of those immigrant sons waved another country's flag to show their identity. It would have disgraced their parents who sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants knew what it meant to be an AMERICAN.

Now we have a new kind of immigrant (really mainly ILLEGAL aliens) wanting the same rights and privileges, but with different rules which include entitlement and foreign allegiances. That's not what being an American is about. Many don't bother with rules and enter illegally.

Immigrants of the early 1900's deserve better for all the hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life and willing to assimilate. They would be appalled that they are being used as examples by those waving foreign flags.

weighing offenses


artful premise:
"I personally think entering this country illegally is approximately as serious a crime as doing 70 in a 55 mph zone. They should be given a ticket, preferably printed on a piece of green cardboard."

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cognitive reply:
A majority of those here ILLEGALLY must work to get along, and all who seek social services are soon committing felonies-- identity fraud, tax dodging, etc. We send CITIZENS who are caught for such things to jail, yet apologia for ILLEGAL aliens suggests we should cut them slack because, "they are just trying to feed their families doing jobs Americans won't do." Blowing off being ILLEGAL as tantamount only to exceeding the speed limit or jaywalking is like equating braking and entering and robbing your home to an overzealous, unexpected guest.

Yet it is often proven that when ILLEGALS are bagged by show raids that the jobs are quickly refilled by citizens-- often the ones previously displaced so the employer could "save" some $. And who will reimburse CITIZENS and TAXPAYERS for the staggering costs that ILLEGALS foist upon them?! ILLEGALS work mainly in 4 areas (construction, landscape, hospitality, restaurant) where conversation is not essential, but they predominate in NONE of those. However, they DO predominate in tendency toward social pathologies-- crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, barrio blight. Such a deal!

NO other country is as diverse as we are already, and NONE tolerates such an invasion of ILLEGALS. Most countries are bemused that America is so naive and myopic about tolerating the ILLEGAL alien invasion; Mexico is MUCH tougher. Much of Europe now regrets importing the culturally disparate (Islamic laborers) to do its meaner jobs... they will be majority Islamic all too soon. Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to relive them.

victim of illegal immigrants
I am a victim of illegal immigrant criminals. I live in Santa Cruz, California -- all the way north nearly to San Francisco. I am a victim of the ultra liberal progressive political machine here that invites in illegals (only to my neighborhood not those of the powers that be)in order to have clients for their social services--including Catholic charities. It has gotten to the point that if a US citizen complains of violent street crime by Mexican drug-dealers in the US illegally,it is the US citizen who is considered the bad person--for being racist against them.

double standard
It seems that there is a double standard in this whole mess--one for citizens and another for illegal (oops, I mean "undocumented" workers).
If I get caught with phony ID, I can get sent to jail. Illegals do it all the time--nothing happens to them.
If I need medical treatment, the first thing asked is "how are you going to pay for this--insurance or cash?". Illegals get their medical treatment for free.
I have to prove 10 YEARS work in order to collect Social Security. Under the current rules, an illegal can collect only after 18 MONTHS of (illegal) work in this country.
If I need disability (SSI) I will be denied the first time and will have to retain an attorney in order to try again to receive benefits. Both illegal and "documented" foreigners come here, send for their sickly relatives, and COLLECT SSI on the first try.
Contrast this with the "immigration rules" in Mexico. If I am caught without proper papers (documentation) in Mexico, I go to jail IMMEDIATELY. If I wish to live in Mexico, as a foreigner, I cannot own land, participate in politics of any sort and have to report to police regularly (to check immigration status). It seems that a tit-for-tat system would work.
It is time to drain the swamp. If the feds and states will not do anything, it is time to do it yourself. If your life is threatened, shoot, shut up and dispose of the "problem" as a last resort.

Claymore mines and .50 cal M1
You know, I am getting really tired of all these morons coming to this country and expecting all the benefits of those who have lived here for their entire life, paid into Social Security all their life, served in our Armed Forces, etc.

I think we need a BIG WALL on the border, loaded with claymore mines and .50 caliber machine guns that fire at anything that moves. The military is replacing the M1 with newer weapons and are trying to figure out what to do with the old faithfull .50 cal M1. Well, mount them on the border between the U.S. and Mexico and when those wet backs try to sneak in here, food will be produced for the buzzards.

The people coming to this country now, are nowhere near the quality of people that came here many years ago who were willing to WORK HARD for the American dream. All the maggots comming here now from Mexico want a free ride and free medical for their 10 kids.

I really do not care about being politically correct.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Until American citizens stand up and scream so loud that Mexico will hear us this will NOT stop. Until we truly hold our elected officials accountable for NOT protecting our borders and the citizens of this nation this will NOT stop. Until Washington puts the American people 1st this will NOT stop. We have no one to blame but ourselves because WE THE PEOPLE allow this to continue. The message to Washington MUST be "We have already had our last amnesty and it didn't work - ALL illegals MUST return to their home and obey the laws of this nation if they want to come here."
Americans must rise up and take back our nation.

Enforce U.S. Immigration Laws
Thank you for this excellent article that "tells it like it is" for those of us who live in states along the border. As a descendant of LEGAL immigrants from Germany to 1840s Texas, I am certainly not anti-immigration. However, previous generations of immigrants came to this county legally and pledged to uphold U.S. laws. They learned English and taught their children to respect their new county and its citizens; they assimilated while introducing some of their culture to their new friends and neighbors. There were no free lunches, no welfare; they depended on their own skills to provide income for themselves and their families.

Unfortunately, most of us automatically think every immigrant we now see are illegal because there are so many who no longer enter our country legally. We have immigration laws for a reason . . . legal immigrants who abide our laws should be welcome . . . illegal immigrants need to be sent back home.

Paul - VA 7:23 a.m. post
"...We need a leader, and our country suffers."

And, sadly, I do NOT believe we will have that needed leader in time to save our country from these ILLEGAL invaders!

I supported George Bush but he has failed our country BIGTIME in this ILLEGAL alien matter. We must not let Mexico unload its unwanted citizens on our country.

Stopping the birth=citizenship would be a good starting point. And ENFORCING the current laws would be another great beginning. I honor those who risk their lives protecting our border and I will keep them and all the affected ranch-owners and townspeople in my prayers as they deal with these ILLEGALS every day.

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL - why can't our Congressional representatives and our president and other supposedly intelligent officials in charge REALIZE THAT?????????????????????

oracle1 & wardmama4
"...So much for Presidente Jorge's Oath of Office, "to defend and protect the borders of the United States..."

I, too, have been so disappointed in how lax the enforcement of our borders has been.

All of this reminds me of the red/blue map of the United States - such a small blue area rules our country...and their beliefs are NOT the beliefs of those of us who inhabit the red areas (okay, I know I live in a 'blue' area, but am conservative through and through ;-)

"...Is it not racist, is it not bigoted, is it not nativist, is it not xenophobic - to protect, promote and defend criminal illegal NON-citizens above and before one's own citizens? Talk about Un-Constitutional - any political person who votes and/or violates the Immigration Laws - should be Impeached. NOW."

OUTRAGEOUS
After having worked for 50 years I am now living on Social Security -- after having paid into it for all those years -- below poverty level. My contributions are ignored, and I am "entitled" to half of my deceased husband's contributions. I have to carry medical insurance, pay taxes, obey the law.My ancestors -- and those of my husband -- waited on lists for years before coming through Ellis Island, becoming citizens, learning English, working hard and contributing to their adopted land. Start by throwing out the "representatives" of the suffering border states and elect people who truly serve and protect Americans.

Life on the Border
FINALLY!!! An article telling it like it is! I live in a large city north of the border in AZ but there is a huge spillover effect from this illegal immigrant rabble. Enlightened conservatives have been speaking to this issue for years, mostly to deaf ears. Illegal immigration is a HUGE fiscal burden on the Nation and that does not include all the other issues like the wide and disproportionate array of crimes committed. From jobs being taken away, to money being exported to their home country, to heavy reliance on social services like hospitals (e.g., lot of babies delivered at taxpayers’ expense), to subsidized education, to translation services, to free legal representation, to the costs associated with crime like more police presence, ID theft and false ID fabrication (forgery), vagrancy, drug running and distribution, near total disregard for traffic laws, kidnappings, rapes, thefts, assaults, muggings, murders, and on and on. They are serial scofflaws at the very least and criminals as a norm. Their moral code is certainly not compatible with ours. Add to all that is the danger of spreading communicable diseases. This is not to be taken lightly as an epidemic can be devastating as well as costly. The collective costs to society are mind boggling but their everyday behavior is also objectionable. They make no effort to learn English, have no sense of hygiene standards like not spewing their garbage all over the place, and they generally have a thug’s mentality. You get the sense that these people are here to invade the country and they are quietly fulminating that they can’t rob, rape, and pillage at will as if it was their due. Our legal system was not designed to address this kind of assault on the Nation. We must deal with this situation with real resolve; “take the kid gloves off”. Mexico must also take responsibility for the exodus and take appropriate measures.

Great article, and hugely believable

I don't think anyone with actual grey matter between their ears questions the validity of this huge American problem.

I also don't think that there has been less than millions of e-mails, letters, and other correspondence directed to state and Washington politicians regarding this matter.

So, what's the problem? Why doesn't our elected government, whose primary responsibility is to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic, solve the problem?

The answer appears to be they just don't give a rat's a$$ about doing the right thing - they just want to be re-elected and are taking the safe position by doing nothing.

Maybe what we need to do is select our representatives by random draw and then limit the lucky ones to one term only. That would remove the ego problem, the money seeking problem, and the re-election problem from our elected officials.

And then, as a bonus, we renew the use of tar and feathers to solve the embarrassment problem. These guys screw up, they get tarred and feathered. Nobody likes that.

The new dummies couldn't do any worse for us than the current batch, which we protect by re-electing them every 4-6 years.

Good article
Bush is not the only president guilty of turning a blind eye to the mess on our southern border. This has been going on for many years. Obama will be no better. He has said he wants to give them all amnesty.

Cut off the jobs and they will go home on their own. They are bancrupting our hospitals, court system, jails and prisons, welfare, WIC...anything free.

So far, due to faxes and phone calls, they have not been able to grant amnesty. Even when they attempt to sneak it through congress. Please, everyone, consider signing up with http://www.numbersusa.com for free faxes to your state senators.

http://www.numbersusa.com (It's working)

After reading through all the
posts, I must say we all agree that something MUST be done to stop this now!!!

As we have seen from the last election, there are so many ignorant voters...those who know nothing about the workings of our country, yet believe they have the right to vote. And they vote in the very people who will continue to feed their gravy-trains.

For one thing, I believe there should NO LONGER be ANY hyphenated Americans. Starting in Congress, they should discontinue all caucuses that relate to only their last name or skin color or whatever category they have placed with a hyphen BEFORE American!! It is time to be ONE

Illegal alien invasion
We need the army back on the border full time and they ought to be allowed to shoot anyone who crosses illegally. Our citizens and ranchers deserve protection as American Citizens. Those citizens, too ought to be allowed to shoot invaders, without question. If our so-called leaders would develop some nerve, we could cut off jobs, medical care, schooling, welfare, transportation, etc. Illegal aliens won't come here if what they want is not available. If we shoot the drug runners and the Mexican army that aids them, that will stop in a hurry. The ancient Romans used to impale a few heads on their borders to discourage barbarian invasion.

anarchy
every president; reagan and on is guilty of treason.
there is a secret agenda.
land owners who can afford should put up their own
electric fence and have armed guards prepared to shoot
any hostiles, or us govt. representatives.
this is outrageous.

Disincentive-ize The System
I used to have a problem with bird poop on my front porch – until I finally realized that the cute little bird feeder my wife had placed nearby to encourage the colorful little birdies to visit had been taken over by larger, less colorful, more aggressive birds. When I took the bird feeder down the big aggressive and (unfortunately) the small colorful birds all went away. VIOLA! No more bird poop coated porch.

I disincentiveized the porch.

As long as our system allows incentive for the illegal aliens to come here they will continue to come here.

It has been proven that our anti-illegal hiring laws are largely ineffective (with the possible exception of Arizona). I live near Houston, Texas – another one of the ‘sanctuary cities’ that disallow city police officers from even inquiring as to the immigration status of people with no ID, no insurance, no English speaking ability.

Illegal aliens from Central and South America send literally Billions of US dollars out of our economy.

Our government is experiencing deficits worse now than EVER before.

Seems to me a simple solution that would hit several birds with one stone is to simply place a tax on ALL non-business (corporate) wire transfers that originate in the USA and are received outside the USA. All those “Giros al Mexico” would become an income for the US. Somewhere in the neighborhood of, say 30%?

It’s Constitutional!

But it’s not being done. Anyone else wonder why?

Perhaps if we actually DID disincentiveize our nation too well we wouldn’t have the illegal aliens here to do all the jobs Americans don’t want to do. Things like undercut our cheap labor market (read high school age workers), rob our citizens (an interesting case from Pasadena, Texas earlier this year), drive drunk without insurance or a license, rape our women, and block traffic while pandering for ‘day labor’ work.

Reagan
Reagan was the first president to give them amnesty BUT they were already here. That was his solution to the problem which was a lousy solution. However, the problem existed before Reagan and was ignored.

It's a national disgrace!
Washington doesn't want it stopped regardless of how citizens are harmed in the process.

It's past time to hit the streets on this issue. The illegals make their voices heard, it's time for Americans to do likewise.

Gov't Ignorance
Doesn't it make you wonder why our Gov't won't do anything for American's. This Illegal invasion has to be stopped. It is time as AMERICAN'S to make our Gov't do what we pay them for. As a Veteran I'm willing to take up arms to protect our Borders. The Illegals are destroying our schools, medical and welfare system at our expense. Since 9/11 they are killing on the average of 11 American's a day. This is not being told to the American Public by our Bias News Media and Gov't not letting it be told. We as American's need to make OUR VOICES heard and heard now. They don't seem to want to do what is right . We have become the land of the weak, the land of the gov't on the take from Lobby and Special Intrest Groups. The Gov't is OURS not THEIRS. Stand up AMERICAN'S and FIGHT for OUR RIGHTS. This is OUR COUNTRY not THEIRS.

How about this for a concept.
Government wants a United North America ? Eventually a One World Government.
Some of the politicians talk about it themselves. I think thats what all this "citizen of the global world" crap is all about. Aren't we all citizens of the earth? OMG

Sign up and send free faxes and phone calls to your senators. Keep fighting.

http://www.numbersusa.com

"to provide for the common defense"
That is one of the reasons for the Constitution. WE must hold our government servants, from the town council to Congress, from the local sheriff to the President, from the local magistrate to the Supreme Court, to that Constitutional mandate. Write the letters/emails/faxes,call them, go to them and pound on the table demanding that they hold to the basic law of the nation. If they cannot be bothered, vote for somebody else who can.

For a start from the Federal government -- close most of the overseas bases, bring the troops home and assign them to defend the border. This is not a job for the National Guard, which is a part-time force for emergencies; it is a job for full-time, fully-trained combat troops with serious combat equipment and liberal rules-of-engagement. We might ask the Mexican government about the ROEs on their southern border.

The newest "baby seals"!!!
Remember the "baby seals" used to pry money from us for animal "rights" whacko groups? They shut down the seal industry in Canada promising to replace the income with eco-tourism dollars.

Then their elitist buddies in America took over the eco-tourism and employed NOBODY in Nova Scotia or elsewhere. The result was that many thousands of formerly hard-working fiercely independent Newfs, inuits and Native Indians became wards of the state.

From modest but tolerable living conditions they went down the tubes with massive increases in drug/alcohol abuse, divorce, violence etc. This is what happens when feel-good libtards get their way.

The newest baby seals are going to be the illegal INVADERS of our southern borders. The new seal clubbers are going to be ANYONE who has a problem with this. You can see it already.

I have co-workers who support the illegals and not only won't call them illegal but insist that they are "immigrants" like our European grandparents and great-grandparents. HORSE HOCKEY!!!! They are THIEVES and criminals and nothing more. The anchor baby system is the FIRST thing that HAS to go!!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Berlin?
I'm embarrassed to admit my ignorance, but I didn't know it was this bad. I live far enough away from the border that I don't see it.

I haven't been a big fan of a fence since it smacks of Berlin. Does it keep people out--or in? This article certainly makes a case for a fence, though.

The best way to stem the tide is to remove the incentives to come here illegally--starting with babies born on our soil not being declared U.S. citizens unless the parent or parents are already U.S. citizens. But until, or if, a fence is built, at the very least, more patrol personnel or National Guard personnel are essential.

borders
I for one am fed up with politicans not doing there job to protect U S citizens.i believe keith from pahas the right idea it is time for the citizens to revolt and fully arm them selves and take out any one 2ho has intent on destroying ones personel property i say shoot and shootand more shoot.if the mexican federals come across then the word should spread to neighbors and take them down.they might think twice when 50 armed citizens start blasting there sorry asses.let mexico know when this occurs they will be looking at the same thing./dont exspect the government to do any thing it aint gonna happen.it is time to take back your states.then may be the gov might do something.reminds me of something my gran pappy told me when the mule he had refused to pull the plow that morning first thing he did was walk to the barn and pick up a base ball bat rared back and smaked the mule right between the eyes an observer noticed what was occuring and asked him as to why he did what he did he said that once he got his attention the mule would do the plowing so the moral of the story is you have to get washingtons attention.it is that time for the boarder states to do the same...ken fl

Who Does the Country belong to ?
Oh, Dave you are right on! I have never understood where our Government stood on the issue of ILLEGAL aliens....Doesn't any one know what ILLEGAL means ? Well, evidently not.

Bernice
Location: CA and been here for 82 years.

Really?
Do these ranchers really think a guest worker program is going to stop drug smugglers? We're being invaded and no one gives damn. Perhaps instead of Dallas, President Bush should have purchased a house on the Texas border. I bet none of McCain's are on the border.

Put it on YouTube
In this day and age of viral video, perhaps getting video of crossings and damage done by illegals and putting it on YouTube would be effective in making the case to America--for something, anything to be done. Ten million hits ought to do it, because the mainstream media sure won't report it.

Deadly force is sometimes necessary
I know that as a people, we deplore the loss of life to anyone, even if they are actively trying to hurt us. We need to get over this. We need to make it legal (and acceptable) for landowners on the border to defend their property with deadly force. Signs should be posted in every likely language and then action should be taken. Perhaps we could set up a system for public disposal of the dead trespassers. I think that would greatly diminish the level of property damage and fear that is currently being experienced by these fellow Americans. Putting national guard troops on site and giving them orders that allow the use of deadly force would also be quite beneficial. Let those who choose to abuse us and our laws beware.

surfcity CA, Dec 5, 2008 - 12:55 PM EST

That's a really good idea. The main stream media surely won't provide the coverage.

Maybe YouTube is becoming the news media outlet for the common man.

Interesting.

Will Only Get Worse
This problem will only get worse as our economy continues to decline and Obama and McCain join forces to enact "comprehensive immigration" legislation.

We Need Congress To Follow The Law!
I'm amazed that Congress is set up to pass laws that protect and ensure that our immigration laws, yet, U.S. Presidents and U.S. Senators and the U.S. Congress look the other way and allow the violation of immigration laws every day by refusing to protect our borders and refusing to build a fence and end this continuous never ending problem that is causing hate and chaos and resentment in our country. American has always welcomed immigrants who come into our country legally. So, why do we have a legislative branch of government paid with our tax dollars if they believe that it's okay to violate immigration laws? If it's because we're must be compassionate than let's take in the entire continent of Africa whose people are starving to death and abused. The government could have built a fence years ago and eliminated the immigration problem from the South and more importantly, eliminated the possibility of terrorists walking across our borders after obtaining fake Spanish surnames and fake ID's with the intent of doing harm to our citizens. Even Mexico enforces their immigration laws as well as every other country in the world, so how can it be okay for our government to ignore and violate the immigration laws or any other laws without any accountability for their actions?

In the early 90's
there was a system of aerostat balloons with ground monitoring radar along several border states to notify the border patrol of drug runners and illegals, 1 was in Deming, NM. They disappeared during the Clinton administration.

why the complicity by government?
Several among you have wondered why many pols at all levels of govt. could so blatantly ignore the law and common sense to accommodate ILLEGALS (see sanctuary cities, support for scamnesty, etc.). The answer is: MONEY!

I will follow with a post about what I have dubbed the "Conspiracy Of Evil." Here in Georgia, our 2 Senators had been influenced by $ from miscreant employersof ILLEGAL aliens such as chicken pluckers and meat processors. Our senators seemed to be riding the fence on the issue.

But myriad Georgians got engaged and made CLEAR that we did not like being the fastest-growing ILLEGAL alien state. We got our 2 Senators to vote against Kennedy-McCain scamnesty and the Dream Act. We also got our state legislature to crack down on ILLEGALS-- just like N.C., OK, Az., and other states have had to do.

The best group to help YOU save YOUR country and YOUR state is NumbersUSA. Several U.S. Senators said that this group was most responsible for derailing Kennedy-McCain. BOOKMARK THEIR ADDRESS HERE:

http://www.numbersusa.com

They have all sorts of reference sources and prepared subject-specific, targeted e-mails for you to send to members of Congress.

Get engaged, folks! America would be a TERRIBLE thing to lose!

The Conspiracy of Evil

The biggest challenge to stopping ILLEGAL aliens is that the money and organization (hence power) is mainly on the other side. The pro-ILLEGAL forces include an unlikely, strange bedfellow alliance between groups which want to USE them in different ways--> the Conspiracy Of Evil.

Miscreant employers obviously simply want to exploit their labor-- never mind the myriad, egregious socio-economic problems they foist on America.

The PC left wants to get them voting and seize permanent control for the leftist "elites" via yet more inexorable big entitlement government... power flows to 'Crats/the left when YOUR tax $ flows to Washington.

The scandal-plagued Catholic Church needs replacement bodies for the pews; and ILLEGALS can put more in the collection plates in America than in Mexico... and still has mega-millions to pay out for priest perversion (after deciding to forgive each priest one act of perversion-- Jesus!):

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/15/local/me-priests15

Ethnocentric Hispanic groups really do want an effective Reconquista, so they hide behind claims of racism and pleas for PC multiculturalism and one world NWO kumbaya.

http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/mexico_immigration/2007/09 /28/36496.html?s=al&promo_code=3A98-1
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf

Finally, the remote elites, including the liberal MSM, do not see what all the fuss is about. Besides, they LIKE their cheap ILLEGAL maids and yard-workers, and THEIR children will not have to go to schools enervated by "those people."

Libs luv illegals
they vote early and often..

Presidente Jorge and other amigos
Evidence of the clandestine scamnesty agenda

If you want to read a bit about the North American Union and the related Security and Prosperity Partnership, check out the Bush White House's own publication on some of it below.

In 2004, while visiting in Mexico, RINO globalist, open border Presidente Jorge Bush surreptitiously committed America to send S.S. funds south to Mexico even for those who had worked here only as ILLEGAL aliens... this
later stunned many in Congress when they learned about it. In early 2007, Jorge told them in Spanish down in Mexico that he would be working hard for THEM, Mexican citizens, to assure passage of Kennedy-McAmnesty here. Many
consider that nothing short of treason!

Anyone who brays about "conspiracy theorists" really needs only read a
little bit to learn that there is no "theory" involved. Presidente Jorge has
been hell-bent on effecting a North American Union. If you have liked NAFTA, perhaps you will love what they have planned for you.

Personally, I would rather have been asked to vote first on such agendas... so even would many in Congress.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-1. html
http://www.spp.gov/index.asp
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf

opposition efforts:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
http://www.citizensunited.org

How much do ILLEGAL aliens cost us?


Notwithstanding fatuous claims that America truly benefits from the labor of ILLEGAL aliens (actually, only a comparative handful of miscreant employers do-- the "savings" are NOT passed along), there are myriad and snowballing direct costs of ILLEGAL aliens to contemplate...

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.htmlG ALS

To solve this problem
the President should bring back the soldiers and their equipment from FDR's War, and give them the job of building the fence, patrol the border, and capture and deport the illegal aliens. This would get the soldiers out of Europe before they are surrounded by the muslim terrorists overrunning it. This would also end our paying billions of dollars for the privilege of protecting Europe, and would let us use that money to fund the border patrolling.

Cost of ILLEGALS-- part II

How much do ILLEGALS cost us? (Part. 2)

(stunning inconvenient truths)

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on ILLEGAL aliens for welfare & social services by American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by ILLEGAL aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. ILLEGAL aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to create a huge additional crime problem in the US.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were millions of ILLEGAL aliens that crossed our southern border including as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern border.
Source--> Homeland Security Report...
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.co m/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

Does it STILL sound like "cheap" labor to you?

More Illegals = More Votes
Why turn away 20 million voters? The more illegals there are the stronger your chances of getting into office by promising freebies for border state politicians. It's not like those states along the border bother with citizenship proof.

the disingenuous myth of...

..."those jobs Americans won't do"

ILLEGAL aliens are concentrated in 4 industries (landscaping services, restaurant/hotel service, construction, food processing) but predominate in NONE-- which gives lie to the artful canard: just doing jobs Americans won't
do. When the government makes a show raid on a meat plant, Americans refill
those jobs immediately.

Americans cost a bit more on the surface, BUT only to the miscreant employers which pocket the "savings" when they instead hire ILLEGALS. Your hotel room, or hot dog, or lettuce is no cheaper to YOU... BUT Middle America is forced to bear the egregious and pernicious socio-economic burdens and plethora of social pathologies that ILLEGALS foist upon us.
The all-in costs of ILLEGALS to American society are STAGGERING, snowballing, and perhaps soon to be irreversible.

The truth is, guest worker programs themselves rarely work as intended anywhere in the world... a positive example were the true migrant workers who returned home to Mexico seasonally, but the current plague of ILLEGALS
is a totally different scenario.

We MUST DEMAND that out pols listen to the 70%+ majority and begin to stanch and reverse the ILLEGAL alien malignancy before the cancer destroys the entire body politic.

Ron -- PA
"Subject: To solve this problem
the President should bring back the soldiers and their equipment from FDR's War, and give them the job of building the fence, patrol the border, and capture and deport the illegal aliens. This would get the soldiers out of Europe before they are surrounded by the muslim terrorists overrunning it. This would also end our paying billions of dollars for the privilege of protecting Europe, and would let us use that money to fund the border patrolling."

Could not have said it better and I happen to be in complete agreement with you. What is happening is and has been an "invasion."

Great article Ms. Ishmael!
They'll break us, not to mention the monsterous crime wave. Our Federal Government should have FEW tasks. One SHOULD be protection of our border!

Shame, shame on our inept Congress and Presidents of the last 20+ years. Of course many thanks to Sen. T. Kennedy who "fixed" this all for us in the 1980's.

God save us from our government!
tbrown
Hot Springs

a recent post here about...
... how Mexicans view their ILLEGAL incursion into America, which is aided and abetted by open border, NAU quislings including Presidente Jorge Bush and Amnesty Juan McVain:

(slight editing below for clarity... read this and CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED!)

**********************************************
My Take--

I have many Hispanic friends, and I speak enough Spanish to understand practically all of what I hear. This is what I have found:

Mexicans truly believe that California and much of the U.S. western states were wrongly taken from Mexico. This is their land, their ancestors were here first, and some can trace their ancestry back to before their land was taken away. Hence, the Reconquista (re-taking, or re-conquering) agenda.

They truly believe that the U.S. liberals stupidly passed the laws that give them all the freebies: free health care, zero will to enforce immigration laws (cannot ask a Hispanic person for immigration status), and others. And all those laws are there for them. If not for them, then why were they passed?

The also know that their rate of having children is far greater than that of Anglos. They understand that it is only a matter of time before they become the majority of the voting populace because they are willing to have children.

Homeland Security?
And Janet Napalitano gets picked by Obambi for Secretary of Homeland Security. After all, she's done such a great job as the Governor of AZ to secure the border with Mexico.

What a joke!!

Angry? Then get involved !!!
Keep rattling their cages in Congress so that money flowing from the special interests trying to sell out America for cheap labor or power will seem less "special" to them. It is easy to reach them at numbersusa.com with prepared, targeted e-mails, OR you can send direct e-mails or call them at their official contact sites and offices just below.

BOOKMARK these sites and contact legislators OFTEN and with vigor. Remember your state and local level pols also-- do you live in a "sanctuary city" which is openly violating federal and state laws (and common sense and decency), but still receiving federal tax $?

Tell Congress that you support the SAVE Act, and let them know you are monitoring their votes and will not accept "paths to citizenship" for those who broke the law to come here, work here, and tap into/drain benefits they were not entitled to (medicaid, free schooling and lunches, welfare) and did not pay for.

For now, it is STILL YOUR COUNTRY... but NOW is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of THEIR country.

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/6/3105
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/congress/phone-numbers-an
d-mailing-addresses-memb.html
http://www.numbers.usa



Angry? Then get involved !!!
Keep rattling their cages in Congress so that money flowing from the special interests trying to sell out America for cheap labor or power will seem less "special" to them. It is easy to reach them at numbersusa.com with prepared, targeted e-mails, OR you can send direct e-mails or call them at their official contact sites and offices just below.

BOOKMARK these sites and contact legislators OFTEN and with vigor. Remember your state and local level pols also-- do you live in a "sanctuary city" which is openly violating federal and state laws (and common sense and decency), but still receiving federal tax $?

Tell Congress that you support the SAVE Act, and let them know you are monitoring their votes and will not accept "paths to citizenship" for those who broke the law to come here, work here, and tap into/drain benefits they were not entitled to (medicaid, free schooling and lunches, welfare) and did not pay for.

For now, it is STILL YOUR COUNTRY... but NOW is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of THEIR country.

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/6/3105
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/congress/phone-numbers-an
d-mailing-addresses-memb.html
http://www.numbers.usa



www.numbersusa.com
Sign up with http://www.numbersusa.com and send free faxes to your senators and keep on top of this illegal immigration issue.

numbers usa will keep you informed of current status. They know every time congress tries to sneak through a amnesty and will notify you.

Its free folks and worth a few click, clicks.

My fellow Americans,
This problem will never be fixed except one of two ways.
First, by a national referendum. Let’s see what the majority of Americans think about giving the southwest or ANY part of this great nation away.
Second, a revolution and I do not see that happening, heck neither one for that matter.

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!!

EVERYONE HAS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY....
LIBS JUST DON'T HAVE ANY FILM!



SHARON
http://www.numbersusa.com
Its free folks and worth a few click, clicks.

Yes, but donate if you can, sending millions of faxes is exp.

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!!

EVERYONE HAS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY....
LIBS JUST DON'T HAVE ANY FILM!

The election is over-- what now?


Amnesty John McCain and Hussein Obama were on the same page about ILLEGAL aliens (a path to citizenship), so it did not really become an issue with a distinction. [The Faustian strategy to try to appeal to Hispanic voters sure worked for Amnesty John, huh? Hispanics tend to be poor, so they WILL inexorably vote
with the left.] But 70%+ of Americans prefer enforcement of EXISTING LAWS and gradual attritive repatriation versus a path to citizenship.

If we made citizens of 12-20 million poor, they would morph into 60-100 million of the same within 20 years per the Heritage foundation,and America would ineluctably PERMANENTLY become a big government welfare state third
world country. Especially with an economic crisis and rising unemployment among those entitled to be here, NOW is NOT THE TIME to fathom embracing welfare cases in waiting.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

The left won this election because CINOS had governed like the left with feckless, profligate big spending, and prosecuted a pointless war against the wrong bad Islamics! The Messiah knows that if the Left can make voters of ILLEGALS, the permanent hegemony of the Left is assured.

Keep the pressure on ALL politicians at ALL levels of government to insist that our laws be enforced. You can reach all members of Congress free and easily right here-- rattle their cages! Tell them that you support the SAVE
Act calling for better enforcement, and oppose any steps to scamnesty.

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

research:

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/
http://www.cis.org/
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_aboutm http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_about main>


Excellent article and posts--
This article and the posts have said it all, but I want to add another thought: if the demand for drugs was not that great here in the US , that would cut down on the drug trafficing.
But in reality, these past and present administrations have not done anything it seems to stop this illegal invasion. Especially since 9-11. Right after that, all ports and borders should have been sealed, and all illegal aliens rounded up and deported. It would have been expensive then, but the money and internal damage it would have saved would have been well worth it.
When a great number of the lib enablers get hit with the reality of this illegal invasion, they just might come to their senses. Just maybe???
In closing, more articles like this should be published on a continuous basis.

Response
Arm the ranchers along the border with heavy arms. Machine guns for the illegal invaders on foot; grenade launchers for the vehicles. If the US government is too cowardly to defend its citizens and their property within its own territory against foreign invaders, it is time we do so ourselves. We're certainly not going to see greater courage among the democrat leaders.

McCain's immigration bill was merely a disguised surrender to Mexico. The Border Patrol and ICE are collaborators with the invaders. They're certainly not defending our people and their property.

We need a wall, a moat, another wall and anti-personnel weapons in a no-man's land between the two walls. That will stop them

Then we'll have security.

ILLEGALS and social service decimation

In theory, it is ILLEGAL for ILLEGAL aliens to receive welfare per se. Still, they overwhelm hospitals and schools, and overburden the criminal justice system, and the federal govt. REQUIRES that local service providers assist them. Then there is the issue of "anchor babies"... once an ILLEGAL madre can push one
out on American soil, they can get in the welfare line; and the welfare workers are all too willing to explain how to milk the taxpayer gravy train.

ANY resident who is uneducated and poor inexorably becomes a welfare burden
on average, partly because today's advanced service economy America cannot provide them upward mobility when all they have to offer is manual labor. Heritage estimates that EACH household headed by the typical ignorant,
indigent ILLEGAL alien will drain $1.4 MILLION more in govt. services than it ever pays in
any form of taxes over a lifetime. This is aggravated further by clinging to a foreign language and culture.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigrati
on_american_infrastructure.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265 &q=immigration

As even a liberal sociologist admitted recently, future drains by current
ILLEGALS will prove to be, "the mother of all unfunded mandates." The libs do not care about this; they know that current ILLEGALS mean future voters, and soon the permanent hegemony of the left as America morphs ineluctably into a third world welfare state.

Join the fight to stanch this catastrophe... please see my earlier posts below to see how YOU can easily get engaged. Time is CRITICAL! America is too precious to lose!

Pentagon Has Jobs For Healthcare Aliens!
There are .07 people out of work or more than 533,000 U.S. citizens who some can't get unemployment and some news articles state it's the highest in 34 years, yet Pentagon aka our U.S. government wants to employ aliens on visas for healthcare jobs who can speak Middle East languages because they claim a need for their language skills.
It's odd to me that Americans have already been replaced in the country by the vast number of legal and illegal immigrants and are now highly unemployed and losing their jobs and homes and the U.S. government wants to employ more aliens from other countries, especially countries who hate us and threaten us. This is amazing!
MY SUGGESTION TO THE PENTAGON IS READ MY LIPS - BUY ROSETTA STONE ECELLERATED LANGUAGE CD'S AND PAY THE AMERICAN HEALTHCARE WORKERS MORE MONEY TO WORK FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND HIRE ABORTION DOCTORS WHO SHOULD STOP KILLING BABIES AND SAVE AMERICAN LIVES AS THEY SHOULD. IRONICALLY, U.S. SOLDIERS ARE INJURED AND DYING FOR AMERICA AND WE'RE EMPLOYING FOREIGNERS INSTEAD OF AMERICANS! UNBELIEVABLE!

Well I'll be....
Here I am thinking we didn't have a southern border anymore. The subtle invasion of mexican gangs and cartel influences have successfully infiltrated our society. Of course they did have encouragement and assistance from liberal and moderate politicians WE elect. Shame on us. Until we take back our gov't, the wretches in Washington D.C. will continue to fly our plane into the ground.

inconvenient immigration stats- part 1

Since 2000 an estimated 10 to 12 million immigrants (legal and ILLEGAL) have arrived, representing the highest seven-year period of immigration in U.S. history BY FAR. If immigration were to continue at this rate, the nation's population would increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060, a 56% increase.

One in eight U.S. residents is now an ILLEGAL or legal immigrant.

Research on the impact this is having on the U.S. economy reveals that Americans are spending between $11 and $22 billion on welfare to ILLEGAL aliens each year by state governments. Of this, $2.2 billion a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps and free school lunches.

An estimated $2.5 billion a year is spent on Medicaid for ILLEGALS. The demands on American hospitals have forced some to close emergency rooms as ILLEGAL ALIENS crowd them and the law requires their care despite their inability to pay for it.

Approximately $12 billion is spent on primary and secondary school education for children that are here ILLEGALLY, many of whom cannot speak English.

It costs Americans $3 million a day to incarcerate illegal aliens, and 30% of all federal prison inmates are ILLEGAL ALIENS. The crime rates of ILLEGAL aliens are estimated to be 2.5x higher than native-born Americans for crimes that include illicit drugs, rape and murder.

Native-born Americans are losing an estimated $200 billion in wages that have been driven down by the influx of ILLEGAL aliens. This particularly hurts minorities and the young seeking employment.

Meanwhile over the past five years ILLEGAL aliens sent home remittances estimated to be between $25 and $45 billion to their countries of origin.

Still sound like "cheap" labor to you?

Join the Resistance!! I did.
NumberUSA is a great organization and a great website. For $25.00 (or more)they will match your contribution to raise money and work for the American people to fight against illegal invasion. They and Grassroots.com are both good hardworking organizations. NumberUSA is also trying to raise enough money to have a march on Washington during the inaugaration. Personally, I don't think too many folks will show up in the cold weather, but hopefully I'm wrong. Anyway, please join the resistance. It's worth the money. We need to stop this new administration in it's tracks.

Some things stand the test of time......
""I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Thomas Jefferson

Simple solution!
Bring back the real Texas Rangers.
Bring back the rules of engagement under which the Texas Rangers operated.
Problem solved.

www.numbersusa.com
Go Christine, go Sharon! I too joined Numbers. I just sent my faxes to my WORTHLESS Maryland Reps.,Rep.Dutch Ruppersberger,Senator Barbara Mikulski, and Sen. Ben Cardin.Dems all! They dance to the tune of the Mad Hatter(Reid), and the Queen of Hearts(Pelosi).

All of them are stuck somewhere back in the 70's! They look at illegals as a new voting bloc!

Please...,all of you posters....,put your money where your mouths are. Join up!

Our politicians that are supposed to represent us are not. Take ACTION!!!!!

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I might just add that their faxes are actually free if you're not able to pay the $25 or another donation at this time.

I've been sending faxes through them for a couple years now. They also will keep you informed when congress tries to pass amnesty.

Sign up people and spread the word. We need everyone on board.

Deterrent
There's one deterrent that's not being suggested here. I guess you might think it extreme if it's not your property being abused, and it's not your income being drained away for all the damage and deterrence measures. For those of you who think I'm out of line ... Let me come to your house, clear my bladder, and my last meal, in you living room, tear off the faucet on your kitchen sink, eat or take most of the food in your pantry and refrigerator, write on your walls, and then bring 15 or 20 of my friends and family along to do the same. What are you going to do!!!? Call the police? Okay, but what about tomorrow,and then the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...
Funny thing about people ... they will avoid, with great effort, situations where their lives might be threatened.

cross and you die
american citizens need to pick up their rifles, head to the border and blow this scum away. then do the same to the political leaders who let this crap happen. in the end you all know this is what must be done. no mercy, no prisoners. cross and you die. you disagree? then youll go the way of the interlopers. yes there will be war

joe
wish that it were that easy. We would end up along side the 2 border agents in prison.
Its a sad situation.

We have a few congressmen who took their oaths to protect America...the rest of them ignore their responsibilities. Just as Senator Mel Martinez.

ooops
I messed up there.

a few congressmen took their oaths seriously...the others did not.

Just ask Mel Martinez about that.

rdk AL, Dec 5, 2008 - 5:53 PM EST

I love the Texas Ranger idea.

Then we get a New Mexico Ranger battalion, and an Arizona Ranger battalion, and a California Ranger Battalion, and let them do their jobs.

The current teams are not able to keep up with the Mexican influx, and the feds aren't protecting our borders enough (cause when they do the feds send 'em to jail).

Good luck to us all as we face this brave new world!

We all know....
how tough this country is. Did ya see shock and awe? Did ya see where we went to the moon? If the government wanted to secure the border, they could do it pronto. They don't want to....they want a United North America. That's why the open borders. That's why the amnesty.

sign on to http://www.numbersusa.com and fight.

Free faxes and updates on the immigration/amnesty status.

lighten up
c'mon you people!
its not that bad
this is being blown out of proportion
let them in
welcome them with open arms
what harm can there be?
no country lasts forever
lighten up

immigrant bashing?
the red herring "racism" tag

Some from the left/big govt. and PC side like to vacuously assert that it is simply a vocal minority of "racists" which opposes ILLEGAL aliens. This is red herring, egregious nonsense. There are myriad surveys, even by bastions of liberalism like the N.Y. Times, which DEMONSTRABLY show that a substantial majority wants ILLEGALS stopped from coming here, and if presented with alternatives to naturalization (like enforcing the damm laws until we achieve attritive repatriation), much prefers them.

"Racism" truly is a loaded and vacuous ad hominem ploy. About half of Hispanics in Az. (more than half of the LEGAL Hispanic vote in the state most plagued by ILLEGALS, so it knows their socio-economic burdens best) voted for TOUGH new anti-ILLEGAL alien state laws in '06... are we to assume that all of those Hispanics who voted to stanch ILLEGALS were racist?!

Many of us simply do not want ignorant, indigent, willfully culturally disparate ILLEGALS of ANY ORIGIN coming and staying here, because they presage a plethora of socio-economic ills. This includes the 20% who overstay visa's as well as those who jump the border, which are just the start of serial lawbreaking and pandemic social pathologies, including felonies such as identity fraud, tax dodging, welfare fraud, and rampant proclivities to crimes, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, dropouts, barrio blight, and social service enervation.

immigrant bashing?
the red herring "racism" tag

Some from the left/big govt. and PC side like to vacuously assert that it is simply a vocal minority of "racists" which opposes ILLEGAL aliens. This is red herring, egregious nonsense. There are myriad surveys, even by bastions of liberalism like the N.Y. Times, which DEMONSTRABLY show that a substantial majority wants ILLEGALS stopped from coming here, and if presented with alternatives to naturalization (like enforcing the damm laws until we achieve attritive repatriation), much prefers them.

"Racism" truly is a loaded and vacuous ad hominem ploy. About half of Hispanics in Az. (more than half of the LEGAL Hispanic vote in the state most plagued by ILLEGALS, so it knows their socio-economic burdens best) voted for TOUGH new anti-ILLEGAL alien state laws in '06... are we to assume that all of those Hispanics who voted to stanch ILLEGALS were racist?!

Many of us simply do not want ignorant, indigent, willfully culturally disparate ILLEGALS of ANY ORIGIN coming and staying here, because they presage a plethora of socio-economic ills. This includes the 20% who overstay visa's as well as those who jump the border, which are just the start of serial lawbreaking and pandemic social pathologies, including felonies such as identity fraud, tax dodging, welfare fraud, and rampant proclivities to crimes, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, dropouts, barrio blight, and social service enervation.

joe
apparently they have not moved into your neighborhood.

They are taking over mine. I'll be calling animal control tomorrow as I can't even sit in my backyard without smelling shyt and trash from their 5 dogs. Looks like a pig sty. My neighborhood used to be nice. Now it going to h-ll.

Okay lighten up. (chuckle chuckle)

WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY
We encourage the neighbors to the south to invade, use our resources, and get educations for their children. The reward us by bringing their bad habits and crime with them. We EVEN put some of our border agents in jail for their efforts. With the murders, be-headings, etc. going on in sight of our cities, I think the only way to respond is to declare war on those who have been waging war on us for years. What could Mexico do? Go to the UN and request a resolution and a UN rebuke for the "evil" Americans? What a horrible joke this has become. I tell you this much, if anyone, including illegals, are found in my home at night, they'll die of lead poisoning.

im just irritated
yes, sharon of FL
i know my comment is over the top
i know a lot of good mexican people
i have absolutely nothing against them
but this situation is soooo maddening(sp)
is mel martinez of mexican descent?
this country is being attacked by the inside as well as the out

joe
I know you were just being funny and humor is wonderful.
Senator Mel Martinez continually voted for amnesty. His constituents continually called for him to stand up for us. He has stated that he will not run for re-election next time around because of it. ummmmm. I doubt he would get re-elected as so many republicans are upset with him. He is hispanic but I'm pretty sure he is cuban.

Anyone who is interested can go to http://www.numbersusa.com and check the "report card" on your senators. It grades them according to their voting record on immigration. A wonderful tool.

im conflicted
to sharon of FL
i was just being sarcastic
to make a point, i guess
its a major problem
one of many that we face
the modern world is both a wonderful and dangerous place
and getting more complicated every day
gird your loins

oracle 1
You said a mouthful on your first sentence. It is the left/big government we are dealing with here. what better way do they have than to make either a racist issue OR say that the majority of people want them invading our country. That way they can do what they want....its called IGNORING THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE.

The polls have repeatedly said that the citizens of this country do not want amnesty.
TAKE AWAY THE JOBS AND THE FREEBIES AND THEY WILL GO HOME ON THEIR OWN. Problem solved.

common sense is a wonderful thing.

joe
I know you were just kidding around. Did you read my post like I was offended by your lightheartedness or something? because I'm not that thin-skinned. Sometimes we have to laugh at the madness.

Reagan's greatest regret
Someone earlier complained about RR having agreed to amnesty...

Actually, Reagan got snookered into a "one-time amnesty" for what he was told would be 1.1 million (it proved to be actually 3 million, which of course led to the current crisis as others stormed across figuring on amnesty at some point) in exchange for tough new enforcement laws via Simpson-Mazzoli. Teddy, et al, passed the laws winking at each other-- because they then refused to FUND the enforcement. We actually have tough federal laws against employing or giving federal social services (Welfare) to ILLEGALS, but the laws are willfully ignored.

Both Reagan and Senator Simpson (a good Republican) would later say that the biggest regret of their political lives was letting the pro-amnesty crowd snooker them. The recent Dream Act and Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty are simply updated shell games to make citizens of lawbreakers/invaders who could not get here legally (would not qualify).

Let me share what happened...
in my small town today. Detectives went to pick up a homicide suspect this morning. He was able to sneak out of the house,jump in a car and speed away. A chase followed. He stopped in traffic,jumped out of the car with a AK-47 and sprayed bullets at the police officers..he put 2 out of 3 police cars out of commission by shooting the engines. Unfortunately, he also shot and killed an innocent bystander. Jumped back in his car and sped away. Every school was put on lockdown...perimeter was set up and everyone was told to stay in their homes. I could hear helicopters back and forth all afternoon. Our christmas parade for our community was tonight and had to be cancelled. All these children disappointed because of this mexican gang member . We have at least 3 hispanic gangs in our small town.
I can only imagine how it is to live in border towns.

thanks....
to sharon of FL
....for hipping me to numbersusa
im getting involved
maybe see you in the future online

Oh....by the way
They caught him. He will be locked up for a long, long time.

joe
You'll like numbersusa... spread the word.
POWER IN NUMBERS.

Eye-Opening & Mouth Dropping!!!
Thanks for your column Sharla. My sister lived in San Diego, in Navy housing close to the border. Everyone warned her not leave anything outside as it would disappear by morning. She couldn't believe the illegals would take the clothes off the line and anything nailed down.
I live about 10 miles from Naco, AZ. The fence is impressive but from reading the article I wonder about that. The town of Naco is battened down like you wouldn't believe. When I first saw it I thought why are the houses all with bars on the windows and things chained to the porches? Here in southern AZ they come through any place they can. A few months ago an illegal fell and broke a leg coming through the Huachuca mountains and had to be airlifted to Tucson. The trip in the 'copter cost 50,000 dollars alone. Guess who pays for that? I think we are seeing the population explosion in Mexico, with too many children born and growing up with poverty. Their government is dumping the excess on us by not doing for their own people and making it easier for them to come here. We have to stop the insanity and protect our country from this invasion.

no, sharon......
not offended at all
sorry if it sounded that way
but.... your last comment was stunning
things like that happening in your neighborhood?
that is frightening
this is the reality we face
gird your loins


joe
yes, it was an interesting day. I'm just glad they caught the lowlife.

I guess they will reschedule the parade.

And...I will be calling the dog pound. I feel sorry for those dogs living in that mess.

Hey, maybe we could send all those violent CODE PINK women down there to guard the border.

Last several presidents ...
... should have been impeached over this.

“We were afraid for our kids to even walk out to the barn to feed animals. We had to go as a group ..."

Thomas Andres
Sierra foothills

CAN I SAY A WORD OR TWO ??
ANYONE WHO HAS FOLLOWED TOWNHALL FOR ABOUT A YEAR KNOWS MY POSITION ON ILEGALS...THROW 'EM OUT ! JAIL'EM!
LOOKING BACK----ROMNEY,TANCREDO,HUNTER,PAUL
WERE ALL AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! SO WHO GETS THE GOP NOMONAINATION? ILLEGAL BUTT KISSER
MC CAIN! SOOO WHERE IS THE GOP! THE GOP IS
REALLY PART OF THE CRIMINALS SCHEME!
40 YEARS AGO...GEO. WALLACE SAID THERE IS NOT 10 CENTS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2 PARTIES!
ELVIS

PLEASE..EXCUSE THE TERRIBLE SPELLING
IN MY LAST POST! DUH!
TIRED,ANGRY!
ELVIS

WE never asked for McCain!!!!!!!!!!
Elvis,


Conservatives have ALWAYS been persona non grata at the GOP back to and including Reagan. He WELCOMED conservatives of all stripes while the blue blood country club Rockefeller Wing was doing everything to drive conservatives INCLUDIN Ronnie out of the party.

They got THEIRS so screw US!! They want cheap labor and to Hell with US. They are embarrased by us. They see us as snake handling rubes in tiny inbred towns driving to pro-life meetings in battered pickups with a dog inside and a gun rack in the rear window.

THEY are elites!! THEY said nothing when many thousands of "independents and moderates", DEMOCRAT SABOTEURS, drove in, flew in and were BUSSED in to the early primaries to lock it up for McCain. They felt they "owed" him a shot. After all, to THEM it's better to have a useless squirrel in the Oval Office than a real conservative so however it went THEY'D win.

WHY did you think Hollywood waited till last September to release a movie about an all but forgotten incident in the Rockies, the Mountain Meadow Massacre? It wasn't a sudden interest in obscure history. It was to derail Romney. With the Hollywood reaction to the Mormon Church after Prop 8 even a blind ostrich can see this.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Gloria

Wrat Wrangler NY

Are you from Texas?

Complete the fence!
There is going to be multibillions of dollars allocated to infrastructure. I can't think of a more important infrastructure project than the completion of the fence on our southern border.

Then eliminate the incentives for illegals to infiltrate the country; check all workers in the construction industry and determine whether they are here legally. Fine all illegals $10,000 and access their bank accounts and personal property then point them to the southern exit gate. Provide no free education or hospitalization for illegals. One of the biggest lies being circulated is that illegals do jobs Americans will not do. How many millions of our good citizens are presently out of work and looking for anything available?

RDK...WHY WOULD OBAMA
Complete the fence? Did you see/hear one debate
about Illegals in the Prez debates ?
Obamas plan: legalize them and they will vote
democrat forever! And how long is "FOREVER"?
AT&T ANNOUNCED THAT 12,000 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LAID OFF ! Now what was that crap about....
"illegals take jobs that americans will not take".!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as Iam conserned..I wish McCain would retire and move to Mexico and take Pelosi,Reid,
Boxer,Kennedys,Bush,Mel Martinez,Crist,etc.
with them ! Then these cochroaches who are living off our taxes could set up a relief
fund in their new home---Mexico!Oh yeah,also
take "HICK HUCKABERRY" with you who loved those Illegals!
elvis

WRAT WRANGLER....I ALWAYS READ YOUR
Postings! I don't participate as much as I
used to but when I do and your comments are there I read them ! Your insight is perfect about Hollywood/Romney!
Everything Romney touched he was successful-
OLYMPICS,MASS.,STAPLES,DOMINOS PIZZA,ETC.
all of them were starting to fail until he came into the picture! I believe he is "home" to stay on abortion and other conservative issues
Where he screwed up during the primaries--
he said "If Iam elected, the very first thing
Iam going to do is audit all the books of the federal agencies and cut ,cut, cut the pork"!
Do you think the GOP/DEMOS want a "pork
chopper" in the white house? SURE!
Take care...
elvis

What Romney SHOULD do
Is get himself on the board of a Big 3 car makers and TURN IT AROUND BIG TIME!!! THEN he can point to 435 WEASELS in the House all pandering and posturing and show them to be the wastes of air they are.

THEN no matter WHAT Hollywood and the yammering MSM say he'll connect with the public.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Read the ID
I am from NY but I still say:

"Don't mess with Texas!"

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

the mythology of the Hispanic vote
It is indeed the artful pro amnestia ilk which is braying that Hispanics are alienated by opposition to ILLEGAL aliens. Fully half of LEGAL Hispanics voted for tough new anti-ILLEGAL state laws in Az. in 2006. Were THEY "nativist and racist"?!

The reason that Hispanics vote about 2:1 for 'Crats is that they are more likely to be poor and undereducated people vote their pocketbooks. Middle class Hispanic-Americans are no fonder of ILLEGALS than middle class blacks are of ghetto gangs.

The left wants to make voters of 12-20 million (mostly poor Hispanic) ILLEGALS BECAUSE they will surely vote for big entitlement govt. and would assure the hegemony of the left in perpetuity, because current ILLEGALS would morph into 60-100 million new Hispanics here over the next 20 years per Heritage:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR14es.cfm

It is also true that it was the alienation of conservatives and the failure of RINOS to be true republicans that served up this loss. Amnesty John was the candidate of the RINOS. As for RINO fantasies of appealing to "conservative social values" of poor Hispanics, the left just chuckles at that fools' gold fallacy.

The turnout in this election was LOWER than in 2004, despite all of the new voters signed up by the left. It was conservatives who were disheartened that made the difference.

People voted more AGAINST Presidente Jorge and the RINOS than FOR Obama.

Get engaged to stanch the ILLEGAL alien invasion, folks, or lose your country! See how at my earlier posts here.

Thanks to the Dumbocrats ........
What else is there to say?

borders & illegals

borders-constitutionally the congress of the United States is charged with protecting (thus stopping any incursion) our borders. the congress has not done it's job, they should be fired.
bailouts-constitutionally the congress is not charged with funding failed private buisness,the congress is overstepping it's bounds using taxpayer money for such purposes.

Pres. Jorge focused on wrong bad guys

I voted 2x for W, but I am sick about it(though Windsurfer and public traitor Cohen-Kerry was NOT an alternative). The war in Iraq was a profligate war of choice against the wrong Arabs; Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, WMD's were irrelevant to the U.S. anyway, and Saddam and Osama were opponents.

We will have spent $2 TRILLION all-in, with thousands killed and maimed-- all because the neoCONS then manipulating the Bush W.H. (Perle, Wolfy, Feith, Libby, and Wurmser... and their fellow pan-Israeli allies braying incessantly in the media--> Krauthammer, May, Kristol, Kagan, Prager, Gaffney, Barone, Medved, Prelutsky) wanted permanent American bases in Iraq for Israel's protection-- the dirty little secret.

Meanwhile, near-clueless Presidente Jorge believed in open borders, so he failed to uphold his most fundamental oath-- to defend and protect our border. Like Amnesty John, he had made a Faustian deal years ago for employer lobby $ and Hispanic votes, but both quislings failed to get the latter, even as they sold out America to the indigent, ignorant ILLEGAL alien invasion... which will likely leave a legacy of an America morphing into a third world welfare state as ILLEGALS are enfranchised and vote it in.

Finally, RINO Jorge spent $ and grew govt. like a born-again 'Crat in order to buy loyalty for funding his misbegotten war-- swell job there, Jorge Bush!

WRAT WRANGLER...EXCELLENT !
Boy..you are one sharp cookie!
I laughed at your comment at first...but then I realized it was pure genius! He has 4 years to do whatever! Whewie..that would be excitng to see! He turned Mass. around in less than 4 years..and those d**n super liberals fought him all the way ! All he could do was hope to
dilute their determination a little !
Excellent... excellent..you hit the bulls eye!
elvis

People want RESULTS!!
Elvis,

Romney is all about RESULTS. Libs are all about INTENTIONS. Libs can TALK and economy down can't build one UP. They THINK "trickle up" Soviet economics is an idea whose time has come AGAIN!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Aamerica now the ne world Empire
America is now the most brutal and abusive Empire ever; and as all Empires the more they controlled nations the less important became their borders. Yes, bcause the citizens living in those nations actually became citizens of the Empire!

So, I say good luck America!

Sharia; Life On The Border...
Why not have people who own property on the border, where the problems are, get together and give a nice portion of property to a politician. That would solve the problems because he would then assure everything would be guarded including mainly his own. Get a U.S. or State Senator down there owning property and action would be taken tomorrow...give them some land, it'll be worth it to the other ranchers!

Who the h*11 is HD?
He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

Our borders must be shut down but it won't be Uncle Sam who does it. It will be concerned citizens like the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the American Border Patrol in AZ (see reply #3). If the US government were serious about enforcement of our border laws Ramos & Campeon would not be in federal prison pleading for pardons. The government could augment the good work of the Minutemen and ABP but they need to put the National Guard on the border in serious numbers, with the Border Patrol (including Ramos & Campeon) and rewrite the rules of engagement to allow open season on coyotes and dopers. R.& C. should be at work showing their colleagues how it's done.

THE BESTIALITY-RIGHTS MOVEMENT IS HERE!
If you haven't seen COMING SOON yet, I just found it on Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-15246089446517576 5&hl=en

It's one of the most important films in a long time - especially now with all the Prop 8 hysteria.

A very unpredictable film that poses serious questions for us conservatives as well.

Get Serious
THE REAL WAY TO SECURE THE BORDER IS TO BUILD TWO WALLS AND PLACE A MINE FIELD IN THE MIDDLE. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS WAY OUT THERE, BUT WE ARE SURRENDING NATIONAL SECURITY TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN BEING LEGAL OR SERIUOSLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE BENEFIT OF AMERICA. ALL THE TALK IS JUST WASTING TIME AND RESOURCES AND ACTUALLY PANDERING TO THE ALIENS.


Border
Townhall is responsible for the illegal horde by supporting the liar Jorge Bush for all those years rather than ridiculing him and calling for his impeachment for this destruction of America.

Made a mistake
I made a mistake the other day when I named NumbersUSA as the organization involved in "Join the Resistance." Actually, it is Grassfire.org, I apologize. I recieved some nice booklets called Living in an Obama Nation from them. Both are good organizations and I've given money to both and they are working hard in DC to help spread the word about illegal aliens. Oracle 1-great post. Couldn't have said it better myself. And Paul is asking where are the elected officials in DC? You're kidding, right? They obviously don't care, don't want to talk about it, ignore it, get more votes because of it, didn't campaign on it, like the cheap labor from it, blah, blah, blah. Since the politicians don't live in those neighborhoods that have been completely taken over by illegals & their gangs and drugs and the garbage, they need not have to worry. They're safe! And then one gets rewarded to Homeland Security Chiefette. Gov. Janet "she doesn't have a family" Napalitano, gets a huge job like this and she can't even control her own border. Getting rewarded for complete failure. Is this a great country or what?!!

the border
this is a very serious issue that can easily be fixed. To start penalize with a fee of 5000k for EACH illegal hired in the USA to anyone business or individual for the first offense. ON THE SECOND OFFENSE the fee would jump upto 25k. and the third would be 50k and mandatory imprisonment for individuals and for business it would be all individuals of the bussiness that were involved with the decision to hire the illegals to serve at min 12 months encarceration. YOU WILL SEE NO MORE illegals being hired, I guarantee it!!!!
This would do many good things for the USA cheap labor would dry up and those jobs would then become better paying due to lack of overflow labor, labor rates would increase and benefits to help retain the scarce labor force, taxes would be generated by all laborers and labor would keep the US funds in the US were they live, communities and municipalities would not worry any lonf providing services to illegals , they would not be here anymore.
SO LETS CUT THE BULL , IF YOU REALLY WANTED THE ILLEGAL PROBLEM SOLVED THATS WHAT YOU WOULD DEMAND FROM YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS YOU ALL ELELCT INTO OFFICE
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