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Thursday, June 18, 2009
Ross Mackenzie :: Townhall.com Columnist
Conversation: For the Nation's Medicine, a HICA Moment
by Ross Mackenzie
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


So tell me again why you aren't a doctor.

Because my father - an Edinburgh-trained general physician and surgeon - urged his son against it. He foresaw the day, now rushing at us, when the federal government would be setting rates, approving procedures, and broadly regulating the medical profession.

President Obama and congressional Democrats want to extend medical insurance coverage to everyone, drive down health-care costs, and raise the quality of care. They're talking about a "public option" plan to show the way by competing with private-sector insurance plans. What's the matter with that?

All three cannot be done. And the "public option" - the government plan - inevitably will become the only option, hence the only plan.

But the president isn't saying that. In his remarks to the American Medical Association, he told the nation's doctors, "The public option is not your enemy; it is your friend."

Sort of like, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you. Thoreau had it right when he wrote, "If I knew for a certainty that a man were coming to my door with the conscious purpose of doing me good, I would run for my life."

At the AMA, the president talked about people like you, who dismiss his proposals as "socialized medicine" or nationalized care. The hour for reform and change is at hand. Instead of being part of the problem, why don't you become part of the solution - and join the debate?

OK. For openers, try on these quotes:

1) Liberal economics columnist Robert Samuelson: "It's hard to know whether President Obama's health care 'reform' is naive, hypocritical, or simply dishonest. Probably all three. The president keeps saying it's imperative to control runaway health spending. He's right. The trouble is that what's being promoted as health care 'reform' almost certainly won't suppress spending and, quite probably, will do the opposite."

2) The conservative Heritage Foundation's Robert Moffit, on the president's AMA speech: "He reiterated the key elements of his health policy agenda: a new government-run health plan to compete with private health plans in a government-run national health insurance exchange. It would include a government mandate on employers to offer government-approved coverage, as well as a government mandate on individuals to buy government-approved insurance."

3) Professor Scott Harrington of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School: "In reality, equal competition between a public plan and private plans would be impossible. The public plan would inexorably crowd out private plans, leading to a single-payer system. ... Health-care providers and other Americans should recognize this reality and be prepared for the consequences."

YOU obviously agree with those observations. Why?

For a number of reasons. Government estimates of the costs of things - in this case, $1.5 trillion over the next decade alone - always are notoriously wrong on the low side.

Not always.

Yes, always. Way low.

Next, there's medicine and there's inferior government-run medicine - just as there's the car business and (soon) the government-run car business, education and public (i.e. government-run) education. Where - anywhere - is government-run medicine better in terms of quality and efficiency of delivery than the private medicine available throughout the United States? If there were even a single example, it would be page-one news every day.

So?

So Obama and his rubber-stamp congressional lefties are hell-bent to Europeanize the nation's health care with state-run (yes, socialized) medicine. To borrow from two old songs, Give 'em the ol' razzle-dazzle and Promise 'em anything, but give 'em socialized medicine. Waits will grow longer, costs will go up, and quality of care will go down. It doesn't make any sense.

WHAT would make sense?

Politically, we probably have reached a time when the government has to mandate health care coverage for everyone. It could do that simply by requiring every taxpayer to attach to his federal tax return a certificate of coverage for him and his dependents. (Non-taxpayers would get medical care through a pool funded in any of various ways.) Then private insurance carriers would compete to sell state-sanctioned plans at the lowest costs for a multitude of coverage ranges.

That sounds a lot like the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan under which congresspersons and presidents buy their medical coverage.

Bingo. Very much like that - and there was a time when Obama was suggesting it, but apparently not anymore. If such an arrangement is good for lofty congresspersons and presidents, is it too good for the everyday rest of us?

Wow. A plan already in place - and used by the president himself. Why isn't he using it as a model for the country?

Because he is a statist at heart - and he has the popular support and the votes in Congress to socialize medicine on the European model. And despite his tendency to complexify things and conceal them in an inky rhetorical cloud, that's clearly what he wants to do - and that's what we're likely to get, and don't bring up the new taxes that will be imposed in its name.

Complexify, Europeanize, socialize?

Indeed. With the consequent rationing that defines care restrictions and price controls - and the tearing up of the private doctor-patient contract that is the essence of American medicine. That's the freight train rushing at us.

Your father actually foresaw this?

He did - and in many ways the train already has arrived, which helps explain the smoldering fury of many of the nation's physicians. The new regime seems set on replacing private medicine with government medicine. In the slang acronym, we face a HICA moment.

HICA?

For Here It Comes Again.

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So, let free enterprise work.
"In reality, equal competition between a public plan and private plans would be impossible. The public plan would inexorably crowd out private plans, leading to a single-payer system. ... Health-care providers and other Americans should recognize this reality and be prepared for the consequences."

If that were true, that is how it should be. That would be the desirable outcome. It would prove that the government option is the preferred option.

So, let's put in single payer now and not go through this painful, useless process of weeding out the health insurance companies one by one.

The health insurance industry does not give us anything of value, but gives us a lot of negatives, and does not deserve to exist under true free enterprise.

Conservatives are being hypocritical in the extreme by insisting on propping up the health insurance industry. This goes completely against the core principles they say they favor when they clamor for "market forces working."

What is their motive? Could it be all the money donated by the health industry to their campaign funds? A minor detail???

I don't even get why people want
health care like this. I don't want to be forced to buy any coverage either.

In what fantasy land does insurance or government funding reduce the COSTS?

People need higher wages, not government handouts. They just don't understand that yet.

Acronym
It should be BOHICA. "Bend over"

Wanna preview...
...of what The 0bammunist "Health Care" program will be? Just go to your city / county / state Health Dept Free Clinic. Lemme know if you like what you see.

Wanna preview?
Go to any Veterans Administration hospital.

I think the federal lawmakers should be require to use the same tri-care insurance that the military has. It would be interesting to see if the quality of that insurance improved dramatically as a result.

Ross
"Complexify, Europeanize, socialize?

Indeed. With the consequent rationing that defines care restrictions and price controls - and the tearing up of the private doctor-patient contract that is the essence of American medicine. That's the freight train rushing at us. "

The point is that we already have "... rationing that defines care restrictions and price controls - and the tearing up of the private doctor-patient contract..". Only now it is being done by low wage "contractors" acting as gate keepers for insurance companies. "Prior auth", meaning no care can be given or prescribed without approval of the healthcare insurer, consumes huge amounts of time in a doctor's practice before a patient can be seen or treatment provided. Increasingly Doctors are working for the insurance companies not patients or themselves. Ask nearly any doctor and they will confirm that they are working longer and longer hours for less and less income. After all they are now "contractors" for the insurance companies the same as the low wage clerk.

"...Where - anywhere - is government-run medicine better in terms of quality and efficiency of delivery than the private medicine available throughout the United States? ..."

By nearly any measure the answer is virtually any other industrialized nation. Even Canada, a basket case in the national healthcare world, over all provides better healthcare at a much lower price. Our system is broken it is hurts national competitiveness and is leading to further decay of our medical establishment. Ask seniors how many would like to give up medicare.

Need a Proctologist?!
Well you're getting one anyway, America, and he's examining you with two hands on your shoulders! http://theblacksphere.net/site/obamacare-america-gets-new- proctologist/

Kevin
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 9:19 AM EST
Need a Proctologist?!
Well you're getting one anyway, America, and he's examining you with two hands on your shoulders!.."

Ahhh that explains why you have that BIG smile on your face LOL

Will we ever trust again?
It seems that every institution -- government, corporate, local -- is engaged in a permanent spin of the truth. Whatever happened to "let your yes be yes and your no be no?"

Read a blog post on this at:

http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-we-ever -trust-again.html

The best way
to reduce the cost of healthcare is to remove all the taxes from it. This would cut the price by one-third (1/3). This would also enable providing new jobs in every field.

Ron
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 10:43 AM EST
The best way
to reduce the cost of healthcare is to remove all the taxes from it. This would cut the price by one-third (1/3). This would also enable providing new jobs in every field."

LOL see this is more of the same that has led to the country literally falling apart. It has never worked Ron even your name sake ran up huge deficits trying to do it

Ross, good article!
Why these shiite-for-brains like foxylady want the DMV to provide healthcare is beyond me. Has she ever had to deal with medicare or medicaid?? Where will the doctors come from when the government caps their pay and they can't repay the student loans? Who will develop new medicines once the government decides how much profit the company can make. Are you all braindead???? Our current system needs some reform, but government control is not the answer, never was, never will be!!

rupzip
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 10:35 AM EST
Will we ever trust again?
It seems that every institution -- government, corporate, local -- is engaged in a permanent spin of the truth. Whatever happened to "let your yes be yes and your no be no?".."

There has never been a time when all was black and white. Trust but verify is indeed a good code

Rich Not wealthy
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 10:56 AM EST
Ross, good article!
Why these shiite-for-brains like foxylady want the DMV to provide healthcare is beyond me. Has she ever had to deal with medicare or medicaid??.."

Do you really like having a low wage insurance clerk deciding what medical care and treatment you may have? Ask the elderly if they care to give up Medicare.

"...Where will the doctors come from when the government caps their pay and they can't repay the student loans?..."

This is a valid point but the equally valid answer is we should pay the loans not the doctor. I find it amazing that we make people pay a huge price to serve the public. This is stupid. Time to correct it.

"...Who will develop new medicines once the government decides how much profit the company can make..."

They have a near monopoly now it this good?

"... Are you all braindead???? Our current system needs some reform, but government control is not the answer, never was, never will be!!"

No one yet is proposing government control. Did Obama?

Hal donahue
Leave the US and move to Canada. Then you will soon die from medical neglect. Guess what moron. I am stuck on disability because of the governments great health care. I would be walking and fine right now if medicare had let the doctor's operate when they needed to. So don't give me this every other country is better. Please no one will miss you or any of your family or anyone you know personally if you leave the country. It would go a long way to solving the countries problems if we could get rid of more of the idiots like you.

r729
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 11:30 AM EST
Hal donahue
Leave the US and move to Canada. Then you will soon die from medical neglect. Guess what moron. I am stuck on disability because of the governments great health care. I would be walking and fine right now if medicare had let the doctor's operate when they needed to..."

If true I am sorry for you. Why didn't you elect to pay yourself instead of relaying on the government? But the US is my country and I stay. Besides I already have excellent government supplied healthcare, US Military. It works, my care is excellent and my doctors top notch. It works. Perfect? hardly but good, very good.

"... So don't give me this every other country is better..."

When it comes to healthcare nearly every industrialized country IS better. You have time on your hands check it out. The data is all out there.

"...Please no one will miss you or any of your family or anyone you know personally if you leave the country. It would go a long way to solving the countries problems if we could get rid of more of the idiots like you."

Why don't you leave?

Here are two common sense solutions
to the most difficult parts of health care reform.

1. Establish an assigned risk pool for those with chronic illnesses just as we do with auto insurance. With A/I, drivers with poor driving records are put in a pool and the auto insurance companies are required to take their share of such drivers. We should do that with the chronically ill.

2. For the truly poor who cannot afford insurance, have the government pay their premiums instead of their health care costs. This will eliminate another bureaucratic nightmare like Medicare and give the poor coverage in the private market.

Healthcare
The problem is with Obama and the Democratic Congress, how will this juggernaut be stopped? Only by millions of voices shouting, emailing, calling and writing letters. Delay until next year. An election year will stop everything. If Republicans can get a blocking number of Representatives or Senators, we're free until Obama is sent backing in 12. Our only hope.

http://www.periodictablet.com

theodore
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 1:12 PM EST
Healthcare
The problem is with Obama and the Democratic Congress, how will this juggernaut be stopped?..."

Here is a novel idea. Come up with a better answer.

Hal -
Historically speaking - Government invented Employer Subsidized Health Insurance. Government is the entity that regulates and screws up the system we have today. Government really needs to leave bad enuf alone. However -
If Obama care is visited upon America - it can only be fair if Hal gets the same deal as Joe the Grinder and the homeless guy in the park. I know you agree, Hal. It's the Liberal/Socialist thing to do. No more Military Retirement Medical care for Hal and his family; just the same care all other Americans will be subject to. That goes for all of the individuals occupying, and working for, the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branchs of Government. That's fair isn't it??? And if anyone here, that likes the health care in Canada or Sweden or Britain; they can move there and enjoy the benefits of that enlightened system.

The medical insurance I pay for is mine. The portion of it that my employer pays is mine as well. It is part of my pay and not subject to the poaching efforts of some scumbag in Washington. The coverage I have will NOT benefit from further Government meddling.

Should one of my family members come to harm due to this Democrat inspired hi-jacking of the American healthcare system, taking such injury or debilitation personal is the very least I can do. There are almost certainly, several million other Americans that will take such unlawfull activity by Congress the same way. Turning the other cheek probably won't be the answer we will be looking for in the way of satisfaction.
Ya see Hal, some of us worry a bit; if the Omniscient Ones "Masterfull Healthcare Plan" goes as well as his "Holy Economic Plan" has - 10% of us could be dead by Christmas.

Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 1:24 PM EST
Hal - ... The medical insurance I pay for is mine. The portion of it that my employer pays is mine as well. It is part of my pay and not subject to the poaching efforts of some scumbag in Washington. The coverage I have will NOT benefit from further Government meddling."

LOL Do you need prior auth for anything? It is an untaxed part of your pay and please do keep it. Just as my healthcare was a deferred part of my pay.

"...Should one of my family members come to harm due to this Democrat inspired hi-jacking of the American healthcare system, ..."

The system is broken another item of failure fron the old conservative days. You didn't fix it - we will

"...Turning the other cheek probably won't be the answer we will be looking for in the way of satisfaction."

meaning? Is this yet another enthusiast for NRA damp dreams LOL



A History Queston
In the United States, prior to around 1950, very few people had health insurance, and if you go back a few more years, no one had health insurance. What happened when people did not have health insurance or have someone paying for their healthcare needs, back then? Well, most likely some died. But certainly not everyone died, or the population would not have increased would it?

Health Care From Kennedy?
If Senator Kennedy, with all his wealth and easy access to advanced medicine, failed to get an MRI Scan to diagnose his brain tumor at a treatable stage, how can he be trusted to provide Americans with a health plan that would diagnose diseases at treatable stages? Did he personally choose bad doctors who neglected obvious symptoms, such as his infamous January 12, 2005 National Press Club statement “Why don’t we ask Osama Bin Laden, Osama Obama, Obama why he won by such a big amount” or was he too cheap to pay the co-pay for a diagnostic scan in 2005? In any case, trusting his judgment for Americans’ health care would be as stupid as trusting his advice on how to drive over a Chappaquiddick Island bridge.

Reply to A History Queston
The question: "What happened when people did not have health insurance or have someone paying for their healthcare needs, back then? Well, most likely some died. But certainly not everyone died, or the population would not have increased would it?"

Actually, they did die. In massive numbers. The life expectancy in the 19th century correlated to the economic resources of an individual's family.

As to the population increase: the 19th century did not have access to birth control. Women had many more babies than do women in 21st century America. The expectation was that not all the babies would live to adulthood, so a large number of babies was seen as desirable, so that one could hope that at least one wil live to adulthood.

None
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 1:54 PM EST
A History Queston
In the United States, prior to around 1950, very few people had health insurance, and if you go back a few more years, no one had health insurance. What happened when people did not have health insurance or have someone paying for their healthcare needs, back then?"

Life expectancy at birth 1949 - 51 was 68.07; 1929 - 31 was 59.2 and born in 2004 was 77.8

link: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_09.pdf

and this of course does not cover quality of life either.

"Well, most likely some died. But certainly not everyone died, or the population would not have increased would it?"

High average family size compensated for the increased deaths. Remember before social security and in third world now large family size represents the hope some children will survive and care for their parents in old age

Look to Las Vegas
Insurance is nothing more than a method by which you can place a bet on an outcome. In the case of life insurance you are betting that you will die and the insurance company is covering your bet. The fact that you will die is a fact but when is not. So the insurance company can place a price on whether you will die this year or not based on the computable odds.

Health insurance is no different. The biggest difference is that there are a lot more things to bet on. The odds of you contracting some super affliction that will cost a lot to abate is fairly small so the cost of the insurance is also small. The odds that you will need to see a doctor this year is much higher and so the cost of insurance for that is higher.

Insurance is affordable as long as you are not insuring something that will dependably happen in the near future. Insuring risks like that are so much higher because the payout is part of the cost and the administration adds to that cost. Assuming the initial cost for anything and only insuring the rest results in lower insurance costs.

Auto insurance is run that way. You insure against things like accidents which don't happen often - maybe not at all for an individual - and pay for auto maintenance yourself. The insurances that pay for everything automotive don't exist because the cost is too high. So you pay for tune ups and oil changes and insure against catastrophe.

The governments, local and state as well as federal, mandate more and more coverage by medical insurance, so the price of insurance goes up to handle that increase of cost. Government insurance can ignore costs because if it gets too high, it can just collect more money in the form of taxes to cover the difference. This means that the actual cost of the insurance is hidden, but real.


Hal
"LOL Do you need prior auth for anything? It is an untaxed part of your pay and please do keep it. Just as my healthcare was a deferred part of my pay."

Obamas' Plan calls for a Tax on that portion of Health Insurance subsidized by Employers and the Employees. You either haven't looked the Obama Plan over or you don't care how he Socializes Healthcare in the U.S. - as long as he does.

"The system is broken another item of failure fron the old conservative days. You didn't fix it - we will"

Let me repeat - if the Omniscient Ones "Masterfull Healthcare Plan" goes as well as his "Holy Economic Plan" has - 10% of us could be dead by Christmas.

"meaning? Is this yet another enthusiast for NRA damp dreams LOL"

Hal - are you one of those Liberal duffs that searchs his bedroom at nite for goulies, conservatives and hob-goblins?? Don't worry Hal - your women folks will protect you.

By the time 2012 rolls around, America will have had enuf of Obamas' failures. And the Democrats blame-gaming of the issues. Nothing works like success that voters can recognize and appreciate. Obama hasn't succeeded at anything to date, except getting elected. "Change You Can Believe In" has become "Can You Believe What That Turkey Has Changed Now." And that from his own ranks. Any maunderings to the contrary constitutes mindless pining for what you wish was true. Not to worry - he will still be the Head of Government Motors when he loses in 2012.

Hal, you and the Democrats don't fix things; you re-arrange the deck chairs, sip wine while the boat sinks and depend on taking someone elses life-preserver when the water hits your shoes. And truth be told - the Republicans aren't much better. It's way past time for real change. Maybe 2010 & 2012 will upset the status quo. We can only hope.

Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 3:08 PM EST
Hal
"LOL Do you need prior auth for anything? It is an untaxed part of your pay and please do keep it. Just as my healthcare was a deferred part of my pay."

Obamas' Plan calls for a Tax on that portion of Health Insurance subsidized by Employers and the Employees. You either haven't looked the Obama Plan over or you don't care how he Socializes Healthcare in the U.S. - as long as he does."

Prior auth? You neglected to answer. If you do need it know a low wage employee or contractor with little or no medicle experience decides what care you will have. I pointed out that it was salary and not taxed. Why have untaxed compensation?

"The system is broken another item of failure fron the old conservative days. You didn't fix it - we will"

Let me repeat - if the Omniscient Ones "Masterfull Healthcare Plan" goes as well as his "Holy Economic Plan" has - 10% of us could be dead by Christmas."

Hey you are still working and unemployment is well below the 20+% where it was heading.

"meaning? Is this yet another enthusiast for NRA damp dreams LOL"

Hal - are you one of those Liberal duffs that searchs his bedroom at nite for goulies, conservatives and hob-goblins?? Don't worry Hal - your women folks will protect you."

Your meaning was unclear I asked you to explain. I worry not about NRA and conservative extremists they are incompetent for anything but senseless killing terror if that.

"...Obama hasn't succeeded at anything to date, except getting elected. .."

The economy is recovering and people are more positive and committed. Bring 2012 on LOL

"...Maybe 2010 & 2012 will upset the status quo. We can only hope."

2006 and 2008 did you just don't like it

Sandy
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 2:43 PM EST
Look to Las Vegas
Insurance is nothing more than a method by which you can place a bet on an outcome..."

We all know the outcome we are betting on when. A better point to make is that this is the REAL right to life issue

Hal
Bi-partisan Corruption, Bi-Partisan Blame-Gaming, Bi-Partisan Disregard for the American people. It's your fault; OHHH no - it's your fault; NOoo, it's your fault. Horse crap. Like a demented parrot you repeat the Obama Mantra - 'everything is looking up - it's all gonna be OK - Obamas' gonna walk on water'. The rest of the World isn't listening, Hal. Other than when Obama kissed the Saudi Royal keister, Obama hasn't had a good trip overseas yet. People all over notice that stuff, Hal.

Tell me, if the Economy is recovering - How is it that the Chinese,the Koreans & the Russians are still dumping U.S. Securities??? If the Economy is recovering - How is it that the price of gas is spiraling up again?? If the Economy is recovering - How is it that Obamas' no more than 8% Unemployment has become 9% or is it 10%. How is it that Obama is having to fire U.S. Inspector Generals, wholesale as it were, to protect his cronies?? How is Obama any different from any other rubber principaled, self-serving politico?? Bush fired Attorney Generals - Obama fires Inspector Generals - two of a kind, don'tcha think Hal??. How is it that all these Government "obamajobs" are prefaced with the advisement, when the Tax-payer money runs out the jobs go away???
Hal- talking fast, waving your arms and claiming to be erudite and learned won't do it anymore. Not for you & the Democrats, not for the Republicans.
When street level Americans started bleeding economically - they started examining all the promises, all the Obama B.S., smoke and mirrors and the Republican versions of the same trash. Ask around, Hal - people are talking. And - yeah - I do look forward to 2010 and 2012. We'll just have to wait and see which of us turns up disappointed.
Government doesn't do much of anything worth a d*mn. However, if it's watched closely enuf, and kept beaten into submission - Government can be tolerated.

Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Jun 18, 2009 - 4:25 PM EST
Hal...He is there just five months give the man a chance. So far I like what I see a lot. Not everything but a lot. The religious name calling is definitely conservative language. We liberals and moderates don't need a strong leader rather a first among equals

"...The rest of the World isn't listening, Hal. Other than when Obama kissed the Saudi Royal keister, Obama hasn't had a good trip overseas yet. People all over notice that stuff, Hal."

See you some how are getting a very twisted view of reality. Do you only read/watch opinionated press like FOX Opinion channel? Every overseas visit has been good and the Egypt one just prior to the Lebanon vote was a home run.

"...Tell me, if the Economy is recovering - How is it that the Chinese,the Koreans & the Russians are still dumping U.S. Securities???..."

Because you conservatives crashed the economy. Obama's crew rescued us from another great depression but we are still crashed

"... If the Economy is recovering - How is it that the price of gas is spiraling up again?? ..."

LMAO because the economy is recovering driving demand up. Basic economics

"...If the Economy is recovering - How is it that Obamas' no more than 8% Unemployment has become 9% or is it 10%..."

It could well go to 12 but it certainly will go nowhere near the 20+ % that we were headed for in December

"... How is it that Obama is having to fire U.S. Inspector Generals, wholesale as it were, to protect his cronies??..."

He fired two, or just the senile one? This is not my lane I am certain we shall find out.

"... How is Obama any different from any other rubber principaled, self-serving politico?? ..."

He is a pragmatist something we have not seen in the oval office since Clinton. He is a politician and a good one.


Hal Donahue
"Do you really like having a low wage insurance clerk deciding what medical care and treatment you may have? Ask the elderly if they care to give up Medicare."

Actually Hal, the computer makes the payment determination in virtually all cases. As long as the doctor's office uses the right procedure code and diagnosis code, no problem. But the government computer will be programmed either by the lowest bidder, or by a programmer who can't find work in the private sector.

If I could, I'd refuse Medicare Part A in a heartbeat. They won't let me, but I won't sign up for Part B since my insurance doesn't require me to do so. And I refuse to use my VA eligibility (Svc Connected) and the Tri-Care I'm supposedly signed up for (Hal's wonderful military/government supplied medical care) can go to hell, I don't use that either. I pay for perfectly good health insurance, and let those who need welfare use Medicare, VA or Tri-Care.

Medical Advances
"What happened when people did not have health insurance or have someone paying for their healthcare needs, back then? Well, most likely some died. But certainly not everyone died, or the population would not have increased would it?"

Actually, they did die. In massive numbers"

They didn't die from lack of medical insurance, though. Given the state of medical care then, a goodly number died from up-to-date medical care that was worthless. The reason people live longer today is because medical care has advanced in its abilities. This is part of the reason it is more expensive. Other major reasons include higher costs for a medical education and extraordinary costs for malpractice insurance. People cite longer lifespans for some countries with medical care (Germany, say) while ignoring lower rates for others (male lifespans in Scotland, for instance)

The idea that a big government solution will fix this prompts the question; what private enterprise taken over or dominated by government has ever been cheaper or more efficient? Go ahead and think. I've got time.
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