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Saturday, July 05, 2008
Robert Murphy :: Townhall.com Columnist
Politicians Tell Big Oil How to Make Billions
by Robert Murphy
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When it comes to vilifying big evil corporations, the accusations made about oil companies never disappoint.  The latest controversy centers on whether the government should allow more drilling for oil and natural gas on federal lands.  A widely cited report (pdf) from the congressional Committee of Natural Resources gives all manner of statistics showing that oil companies aren’t using the land they already have under lease, and so don’t deserve any more favors.  But a quick analysis shows that these claims are ludicrous.

According to the report,

Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development of public lands increased by more than 361%, yet gasoline prices have also risen dramatically[,]contradicting the argument that more drilling means lower gasoline prices. There is simply no correlation between the two.

This is a bit like challenging the notion that doctors help reduce sickness, since hospitals have 361% more doctors than the average building, and yet hospitals have many more sick people too!  Adopting the logic of the above quote, we could declare that there is simply no correlation between health and doctors.

In the case of drilling, what happened is that the skyrocketing price caused oil companies to apply for more permits on the land currently permissible for development.  Tracts that were unprofitable to explore at $30 per barrel became lucrative prospects at $100+.  That is why the number of drilling permits skyrocketed along with the price of oil and gasoline.

What is especially ironic about the leftist refusal to believe in the law of demand—that more product can only be sold at lower prices, other things equal—is that critics of the Bush Administration had no problem with the concept when it came to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.  During that debate, even members of Congress grasped the point that putting more barrels on the market tends to lower oil prices.

Let us return to the document:

Even if increased domestic drilling activity could affect the price of gasoline, there is yet no justification to open additional federal lands…

Combined, oil and gas companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres of federal land and waters that they are not producing oil and gas… Oil and gas companies would not buy leases to this land without believing oil and gas can be produced there, yet these same companies are not producing oil or gas from these areas already under their control.

If we extrapolate from today’s production rates on federal land and waters, we can estimate that the 68 million acres of leased but currently inactive federal land and waters could produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day.

And there you have it, folks.  Not only are the oil companies evil, but they’re also unbelievably stupid.  Let’s do some quick calculations to find out just how much money these Congressional titans of industry believe the oil companies are leaving on the table.  At a price per barrel of about $140, and 4.8 million bbls/day times 363 days per year (I’m allowing Big Oil Christmas and Labor Day vacations), then that is over $243 billion (with a B) in extra annual revenues that they are ignoring.

It’s true, my figure calculated above wouldn’t all be profit; it presumably would take a lot of extra wage and other payments to move that amount of oil.  Still, $243 billion in extra sales per year seems like it’s worth looking into.

Obviously, the true situation is that not every acre of federal land has the same amount of oil or natural gas beneath it.  Oil companies don’t know beforehand where the profitable finds will be, so they lease large amounts of land and then explore.  At any snapshot in time, of course there will be a sizable fraction of leased land that is not in development.  (In fact, the way those statistics are calculated, even if the oil company is building a well on leased land, at that point it is still classified as “not producing.”)

Critics of the Bush Administration’s approach to foreign policy often remind hawkish policy makers that they must understand the mind of the enemy if there is any hope in winning a war.  Rather than simply seeing mindless evil, war planners should instead try to understand the motives of those they oppose.

By the very same token, I urge leftist critics of Big Oil to put aside their hatred for a moment and actually learn how the industry works.  If policies are enacted with no understanding of the oil market, gasoline prices will rise even further, and we’ll be treated to yet another round of the blame game.

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Robert Murphy has a Ph.D. in economics and is the author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism (Regnery 2007).

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The Problem with your analysis
Is that whatever extra sales and profits the oil companies might get now, THEY'LL GET MORE LATER. Why drill now, when it'll force prices down, when you can drill later when prices are higher and there's more unmet demand. So they don't want to drill, because they're in no hurry to make those big bucks. They're investing for their future, at the cost of our present.

Politicians get rich in the oil business
Step 1. They institute fascism which allows the illusion of private ownership of businesses and other property so long as government retains control over all important policies and procedures--only for the protection of the public, of course.
Step 2. They blame the "evil" owners of those businesses when the policies established by government create disastrous results.
Step 3. These "noble public servants" get re-elected because of all of their protection of the public.
Step 4. They pry contributions from lobbyists by making fraudulent promises of protection from even more fascism.
Step 5. They institute more fascism and start the cycle over.

Excellent Column !

Let us get to the nitty gritty.

All politicians are interested in one thing ~ their own tenure, and not much else. I grant you there are a few rare exceptions.

Very few have any knowledge or marketable skills other than B.S.

and that's the way it is...


I HAVEN'T WORKED IN THE OIL
INDUSTRY for four decades, but the most recent statistic I have seen is that when drilling in areas that do not have producing wells, only one out of ten new wells produces anything!

Unless you just enjoy being poor, you support drilling everywhere, as well as supporting nuclear power. That oil, which really is the foundation of our economy, really will run out someday, though not soon enough to make the enviros and the dems happy.

Oil & Congress
The oil companies are waiting until we have other alternative sources of fuel. When we reduce our need for oil they will start drilling. That makes sense .... Not

The oil companies are thrilled to see us spend billions of dollars overseas enriching other nations oil comapnies instead of them. That makes sense ...... Not

Members of Congress are reaping in lots of money on oil speculation. Raising fuel costs make them richer. That makes sense ....... Yes

Big Oil is patiently waiting.
Oil companies are not happy making "huge" profits. They want to sit on their oil until the Dems get in control and pass Windfall Taxes. Then they will start producing more oil.

Oil companies are waiting until the Dems in Congress passes Cap and Trade Taxes. Then they will start pumping out more of that oil they are sitting on.

To Island in Alaska
I am not surprised that you do not know what is already in your State! Gull Island harbors the biggest oil find in North America; courtesy of Atlantic Richfield. There is capped there a well that has enough oil and gas in it to furnish America fuel for 200 years and our wonderful government knows it and will not let it flow.
It's not the oil companies and there were nine of them that invested in the drilling of the North Slope and on Prudoh Bay.
The reason that we are experiencing these high prices is manufactured by our government, so that when we've had enough, people will yell for the government to nationalize the oil so we can have cheaper oil. So the final phase of Socialism will nail the coffin shut on "free America"
There are wells capped in Wyoming and because these wacko environmentalist have hindered everthing the oil companies have tried to do. The oil is already there and capped!
Even in your own State A multimillion dollar road had to be rerouted because of two Falcons nesting. What could have been a simple task of just gently removing the nest to another location was stopped by your State and The idiots from Washington. This little reroute cost 2 million dollars. Ever heard of
Franklin Bluffs?
Guess who wound up paying for this little fiasco? the guy who goes to the pump!
Two things that would help this country would be to get rid of the EPA and all politicians who back it.

Bob Munck
Where are these magical places where the oil companies could be drilling, but are not because they can make more money if they wait?

I guess I'm a lot smarter than I thought, because I hear some really dumb conspiracy theories coming out of the Left and it takes zero thought on my part to realize how patently absurd they are.

"There is no such thing...
...as a free lunch"--Mr Dooley.

"TANSTAAFL".

Just a few questions here:

1.Those posters who disagree with this author,please post how many shares of stock you own in oil companys.If the answer is "none",you obviously do not believe in your own "theory".After all,the stocks are for sale,Monday thru Friday on the NYSE.Think of all the money you could make!WINDFALL PROFITS!

2.There is an old story (apocrophal) of a group of businessmen sitting around a bar one evening in Washington bemoaning the price of gas.One guy says he just filled his car up with gas and paid 50 cents a gallon.The others were amazed and wanted to know where this station was selling gas for 50 cents a gallon.He replied that it was selling gas for $4.25 a gallon,50 cents for the gas and $3.75 for taxes:local, state, and national.

Our "energy problem" exists only in Washington D.C.,and no where else

And BTW,I remember the kuffle over those nesting falcons,and it amazed me that some enterprizing patriot didn't go out one night and shoot the basterds!They would have done all of us a favor!

Nam65-66
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. Your English is correct but Heinlein left us with that double negative and to leave it out would be disrespectful.

Obstructionist Leftists
You leftists got us into this high oil price position. Your "savior", Bill Clinton vetoed additional drilling in 1994. Remember your mantra? "It will take 10 years to get the oil from ANWR." Well it has been 14 years since that veto. Let those who suffer from high oil know who the obstructionists are; the LEFT.

Drilling
If the Socialists are right and allowing access to offshore and ANWR will not influence the price or the supply, then why don't they just demonstrate that by allowing it. It would be a very simple experiment and then we would have all of this over with. I learned a long time ago that arguing with my children on certain subjects was useless, even when I was right. On things that wouldn't destroy them, I just let them do it and the consequences spoke for themselves.

Murphy, What Is The Rest Of The Story?
You have correctly picked on our wonderful politicians and the biased report they use to criticize oil companies. But what is the other side of the story? Identify and explain the reasons why the leases haven't been plugged to find oil and gas. How much per barrel was oil when the California coast was drilled, or the land in Texas or Pennsylvania? Has either of the Bushes used the Presidential pulpit to rain rocks on the leftists? No, not until the past several months. That was about the time when pitchforks and the cache of rocks was being dusted off by us little people.

Maxine Waters
Here is a liberal Representative who let it slip what her intentions are for our industry. If anyone is wondering what the left and liberals really want hear her comments. o paraphrase. let me tell you bog oil what we are going to do we are going to socializ, oh i mean to run the company ourselves. It is so telling but it hardly made the news, I wonder why not. Sure there is no liberal biasis in the media.
Curt Green

Oil
Does anyone know the real truth about anything?

There is No Magic Wand!
Most of you posters have no idea what it is like to work in the oil industry. I do! I worked for Loffland on many rigs and drilling is never automatic, and yes, it costs! Send out a seismology crew and have them assess the land. They choose what looks like a good area. Bring in the crew. Dig a moat, put up a rig and commence drilling. Each pipe (30 ft) has to go into the hole and it takes time. Bits have to be changed and that means all pipe must come out of the hole. Generally, you work on a time restraint, and after 5,000 to 10,000 feet of drilling, you find a dry hole, than the labor, the money, and the time are all added and another hole will be drilled, but with no guarantees. That was the 70's and now in 2008, the technology has improved, but so has the interference from the government, and wonder why when you don't have your own, those that do can dictate their price. Wake up!

lower gas prices
. You could reduce the price by eliminating all the taxes, and replacing them with ONE proper tax to collect all revenue for each level of government..

Eliminate the 18.4 cents per gallon federal pump tax, and the 32 cents per gallon, PA State pump tax. Eliminate all the other taxes in existence, on all levels of government, which add up to one-third (1/3) of the price – of everything.

You could greatly reduce the price by writing a law which declares that ALL OFFSHORE OIL BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and hiring the oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products to us for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit.

This would eliminate the foreign nations’ price per barrel, the speculators’ add-on charge, the oil-tanker-ship charge, the oil spills when the tanker ships run aground, and the clean-up cost thereof. This would reduce the price for refined petroleum to well under a dollar a gallon, and make us independent of the Arabs and all other oil-selling peoples.

A Congressional Accord w/ Big Oil
Congress and Big Oil should have an accommodation with one another:

Congress won't tell Big Oil how to make a profit and Big Oil won't tell Congress how to fold like a cheap suit to the tree huggers.

GREENgos go home...
...and lift up the jackboots of your government thugs from the oil - and other energy people. Big Oil, so called, IS the people. Millions of people work in oil and oil-related companies. Millions more people are invested in oil companies including retirement plans, 401ks, IRAs, etc. The people at large benefit from Big Oil products, not just fuels, that enhance all our lives. The GREENgos' lust to enslave this, like other industries, to the whims of their hallowed GREENgo politicians is worse than insanity - it is an anachronistic evil that does not deserve to be discussed by modern, enlightened people. The GREENgos' whimsical desire to keep energy treasures buried so THE PEOPLE cannot use them at all IS total insanity - all aimed to appease their ecotheistic zeal. GREENgos are like the medieval inquisitionists - believe what they believe, or they will unleash the coercive powers on you.

Trillions in oil
Trillions in oil
under our soil
But send our money to the sheiks
ANd in what will seem like weeks
They'll own that too


The Libs' stupidity has no end
Stupid as stupid gets. The Libs' incredible ignorance of how the real world works is mindboggling. Get out of the way, let free market run the show and watch how fast this whole man made Energy crisis will disappear.

Wake up and get it straight; Global Warming isn't man made but the Energy crisis is. There are no human solutions for Climate Change but there are plenty for Energy. Let’s start with the easiest one first; DRILL HERE and DRILL NOW.

Yes it will take a few years but when speculators see that we are serious the prices will start going down immediately. That's what future market speculators do they link the future with the present which actually an important job for free markets, shock absorber, stabilizer. As long as we have dummies restricting us from drilling because of wackos' imaginary Climate theories at the same time as China and India are increasing their demand for fuels and the fundamentally crazy Iranian government threatens to blow Israel off the map every other week the speculators will justifiably keep the future price of oil high. It's not just because they are greedy they are simply and intelligently reacting to world’s reality combined with the Libs' naivety, ignorance and down right stupidity.


Reply to Bob Munck
Bob wrote: "Why drill now, when it'll force prices down, when you can drill later when prices are higher and there's more unmet demand. So they don't want to drill, because they're in no hurry to make those big bucks. They're investing for their future, at the cost of our present."

What's amazing to me is that after making this allegation, many people, in the almost the same breath, will then claim that drilling for more oil won't bring down oil prices. You can't have it both ways. Either drilling does or does not reduce oil prices. In your first statement, drilling will reduce prices so the oil companies defer drilling. In the second oft repeated lie, Democrats then claim that drilling wouldn't bring down prices anyway. Which is it?????

Grover91506 6:58 AM EST
"Where are these magical places where the oil companies could be drilling, but are not because they can make more money if they wait?"

ANWR, offshore, their existing 68 million acres of oil leases, the rest of the country.

Do you really think, given their billions of dollars available for lobbying, congressional junkets, PACs, think tanks, etc, hundreds of thousands of employees to make individual contributions, and two oil men in the white house, that they couldn't get permission to drill on the National Mall if they really wanted to? That we really could have gone decades through many right-wing administrations and congresses without opening ANWR?

What really puzzles me is the willingness of foreign producers like OPEC to pump themselves dry now when they know that by sitting on their oil for 50 years, they could own the Earth. Maybe they think they're close enough to that now.

Exactly
Now can the GOP find a candidate who is not pledged to Cap and Trade and open borders? Although there are so many people like me out there (read Michale Barone's latest column on Congress' fear of amnesty bills) to keep Congress at bay during four years of Obama, a McCain presidency will temporarily defang conservative Republicans but long enough to cram a few of McCain obnoxious one-worlder bills down our throats.

Go Bob Barr! Or at least vote 3rd party. Let's take back the Republican party in 2010!

Steve 11:56 AM EST
"In your first statement, drilling will reduce prices so the oil companies defer drilling. In the second oft repeated lie, Democrats then claim that drilling wouldn't bring down prices anyway. Which is it?????"

I don't understand your point. You seem to think you've caught me in a contradiction, but you only quote one thing I've said. What's the other thing I've said that contradicts it?

I must say that I don't think that if I drill in my back yard (which I've done, for my geothermal system), the price of oil will come down. You can't equate all drilling.

Hey Bob Puknik
There you go again.
Who is big oil?
I have a suggestion, Go here:
http://www.americanroyaltycouncil.com/OilandGas101/tabid/87 /Default.aspx
Then I suggest you go here:
http://www.ourpubliclands.org/files/upload/Oil%20and%20Gas% 20Drilling%20101.pdf
There are a whole bunch of comapnies and people required to get oil to the market. There is also a great deal of risk.
For the Oil Companies, I'm not just talking about Exon, Shell etc., they have to take the following steps.
Briefly the steps are:
1. Obtaining a lease
2. Locating Oil and Gas
3. Drilling an Exploratory Well
4. Completing the Well
5. Site Development
6. Production
7. Site Abandonment and reclaimation.
Now, answer this. If you found oil in your backyard in Virginia and took the above steps to produce this oil, does that make you "Big Oil"? If the price for oil was only $30.00 per barrel whould you wait until the oil price went up? No! Would Exon purchase and process this oil at $30.00 per barrel. Yes!
One other thing. Exon, Shell, BP, the companies we call Big Oil. These are the small frys in the market. All of them together make up approx 10% of the oil market. The other 90% are the National Oil Companies that are owned by countries, not private interprize.
One last question regarding the oil in your back yard, If the cost of oil jumped to $140.00 per barrel, would you still want to sell your oil for $30.00 per barrel?
The thing is, Exon, Shell et al, have share holders that have purchased their stock. They have a responsibilty to these shareholders to sell at market prices and maximise profits.

As usual, you are just part of the propaganda spreaders and are being led by your Marxits leaders. March On Bob Puknik
LOL


What we need is action
There are many sites out there dedicated to contacting our representatives and letting our voices be heard. It is important that we do this. Just as the illegal amnesty bill was beaten back, so too can we win this one. We just have to say something.

For years we have lived with bad energy policies because gas was cheap. But now we see what a "let them drill for us" approach has gotten the United States. It is said that it will take 10 years to bring oil fields online, and beginning drilling today will not lower gas prices tomorrow. So then we do nothing? BULL!

We have set up an action website dedicated to getting the word out. It is complete with free e-mail as well as inexpensive fax campaigns to put pressure on our elected representatives. There is also news of the day including who is saying what about the oil crisis in this country. Take a look at http://www.FedUpNetwork.com. We hope you enjoy the site.

NOBAMA-CARTER CHAMELEON TWINS.
THE NOBAMA-CARTER ENERGY PLAN, GET LESS OIL, GET LESS GAS, GET LESS NUCLEAR ELECTRICITY, GET LESS AIR CONDITIONING (75*, GET LESS HEAT (60*), KEEP LESS MONEY (HIGHER TAXES), EAT LESS FOOD, KILL FREE TRADE, PASS CARBON TAXES, INCREASE THE UN POWER OVER AMERICANS, NEGOTIATE WITH CRAZY LEADERS (N. KOREA-CARTER AND CLINTON NUKE FAILURE), CARTER WITH ARAB TERROR GROUPS, CARTER WITH CASTRO, CARTER WITH IRAN (25+YEARS-FAILED), CARTER CHAVEZ.

WITH THEIR GREAT COMMUNICATION SKILLS AND GIVE-UP MENTALITY, WHY HAVEN'T THEY LOWERED THE GAS PRICES EVEN ONE CENT. THE ANSWER IS THEY WANT HIGH GAS PRICES AND HIGH TAXES - MORE MONEY TO BRIBE THEIR VOTING BLOCKS.

THEIR NEWEST PROGRAM - WORK TO WELFARE FOR 20 MILLION ILLEGALS.

What Libs DO know
They know that most Americans, and especially Dem voters, are ignorant about most things. So there is little risk in them telling bald faced lies about the oil companies, oil supplies, global warming, you name it they lie about it and yet not much changes.

Sandrob: Good reply to B.Mucky
Munck like most Libs and all politicians should be required by the State (all Libs should agree with State mandated anything) to take Economics 101, and try to understand it, before opening their ignorant trap. These guys are big believers into Conspiracy theories and phony "scientific" theories such as Global Warming but haven't the faintest clue about real life business.

I have been involved with O&G internationally for nearly 30 years at all level from field engineer to entrepreneur and partner in small Oil Cos and can tell you that Mucky baby is as off the reservation as can be. The oil business isn’t the easiest business around it is full of risks, requires tremendous amount of technology and if you average profit margins over time it is not that outstandingly profitable when compared with other industries. Check how much profit there is in bottled water or Café Latte with nearly no risk at all. Should we shut them down and nationalize them? Of course not those are Libs’ favorite products and cannot be compared to that dirty oil. Left Utopians rather live in a fantasy world that isn’t as opposed to the real world. Unfortunately reality always wins in the end no matter what, so the sooner you accept it the better you’ll be.

Royce&Roll 12:57 PM EST
"it is not that outstandingly profitable when compared with other industries. Check how much profit there is in bottled water or Café Latte with nearly no risk at all. Should we shut them down and nationalize them?"

You don't seem to be arguing with anything I said, but rather the idea that oil companies be subject to windfall profit taxes or nationalized. I haven't suggested that, and wouldn't.

I do have a fair idea how the O&G industry works, having several relatives in the business, a number of geologist friends, and a pretty detailed education when Exxon did exploratory drilling on my land near Presho SD. But I don't claim to be an expert.

Nam 65-66
TANSTAAFL

From "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", one of his best.

Analysis on more oil, higher gas
When more permits were given, more oil was drilled.

This does not necessarily mean this caused the cost of gas to rise.

When we had more supply, our demand went up because it could and we did not care.

Today, we care. We need the essentials and we need to conserve the discretionary spending.

The hydrogen car is a myth. Solar energy is at least five years away. Even then, the infra-structure would be another ten years.

They say increasing the car mpg by one mile could solve this problem. For everyone to have these cars, it would take another five years for new cars to cycle through the population.

Drilling would take between 3-20 years depending on what is already built.

The price would come down immediately because wall street prices in the future.

Hey Mistert
Informative Post.
I have a question, I know you have been out of it for a while, but if the permitting and government paperwork was put on a fast track, and you knew where to drill, i.e. ANWAR. How long would it take to just do the drilling?
One last question, did you work for one of the big oil companies, Exon, Shell etc.?

Bob Munck
You stated that the oil companies are sitting on the oil to increase their profits.Sounds like they are pretty smart.Their stockholders appreciate it too.If you had ten grand in the bank and some one offered you 20 grand for it in five years,but someone else offered you 90 grand for it in 7 years .Which offer would you take?

Bob
I read your article and found that the level of incompetency in America, relating to economics, is beyond measure.Trying to explain the correlation between oil prices and exploration is only paralleled by trying to explain Speculators.When will it end?

Munck:
I mentioned your tendency for believing in Conspiracy Theory but didn’t bother arguing it since it is naive and contrary to reality.

Reality is:

1) Exxon and the other non-national oil cos do not have control of the market
and cannot fix prices. They are only a small percentage of world wide production and reserves.

2) Letting Oil prices skyrocket and not producing as much as you can to take immediate advantage would be stupid since you don’t know what the future holds and you have no control over it. Extreme high prices incentivize research for alternatives and push government to do stupid things such as nationalization, etc.

3) The Left green whacos have more lobbying power recently than Big Oil and are the ones responsible for the absence of drilling in ANWR and offshore US. The fact that Bush & Cheney had previous Oil experience just reinforced the wackos in their effort to associate everything wrong in the world to Bush-Cheney & Big Oil. So instead of helping the cause it actually made things worst because although you Libs believe Bush is extremely far right and a Big Oil lover reality is that he bent over and grab the ankles much too often trying to be Mr. Nice guy to the Libs. Our economics problems today are not due to excessive conservatism but lack of it. Bending over to accommodate Lefties has been the worst part of GW’s administration.

They can immediately drill
off NJ, if Lautenberg and Menendez, my esteemed senators, didn't oppose it.

They once produced oil off the NJ coastline, so they know it's there.

But the stupid pols. don't want to produce more energy.

They have for 40 years (mostly Dems.) opposed drilling for oil in most places it's known to exist
ignored refining capacity (first permit in 30 years was just granted and immediately attacked by enviro lawsuit)
findng more natural gas
building nat. gas storage (very short supply)
go nuclear (none since the early 80s, stopped by, guess whom? the Dems.)
coal, coal, coal (we have hundreds of years of coal)
coal tar sands (Canada is working on them)
shale oil (abundant through the West)
coal gasification (expensive, but Germ. ran on it during WW II)
wind power, thermal powe4r, biofuels, solar, and conservation--but we will still need oil for a 100 years.
McCain shoudl harp on energy over and over and give up Anwar, a mosquito-infested wasteland even caribou distain.
Dems. want high gasoline prices because they think it's sinful to fill up the car gas tank. As they all tottle around in limos and never extend a hand to pay a gas bill, the cost doesn't matter to them. AND THEY PAY WITH OUR TAX MONEY THAT MEANS SO LITTLE TO THEM.

Hey Royce&Roll
Thanks.
Last week Bob was explaining how he was having to stay in Virgina instead of his villa in Tuscany because he was waiting for the weather to either to warm up or cool down, I forget which.. I checked the weather in all 9 of Tuscany Providences (He didn't say which providence his villa was located) and interestingly enough the weather in all 9 providences were within a couple of degrees of Virgina.
Now, I see he had dealings with Exon drilling on his land in Presho SD. So, I guess this makes Old Bob and Oil Barren! Also, like Bush, he has relatives in the oil business! Bob is looking more and more like a person that should be called up to answer for his sins in front of a Congressional Committee.

Did you see where Rush Limbaugh signed an 8 yr. contract with Clear Channel for 400 Mil (I know how this rubs Old Bob the wrong way). This puts Rush earning about the same as the Evil Oil CEOs. He is worth every penny!
Hey, Al Gore has made a 100 Mil since he left office. All he has to do is get up in front of a bunch of suckers and tell lies. He makes 200 K a pop. I hear he is brokering carbon credits to Arni in Cally Fornia. I wonder how much he makes on that scam.
I think the Eco-Socialist are about to experience a rude awakening when gas goes up a little more. I figure when it his $7.00 we might be looking at a revolution.

Hey reni
I got this post from someone but I forgot to get his name. Interesting post regarding where the state coast ends.

For sandrob: States own the submerged lands out 3 miles from the high water line, except for Texas where, due to the prevailing land law of New Spain / Mexico when Texas was annexed, it is 3 marine leagues (about 10.2 miles). Mineral rights in the ocean from the 3 mile state zone out to the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) boundary are owned by the US and administered by the Minerals Management Service under the Outer continental Shelf Lands Act of 1953, along with the Submerged Lands Act. The boundary of the US EEZ where it intersects with that of Cuba and Bahamas off of Florida runs more or less right through the midpoint between the countries. The exact line is proposed as a treaty which probably will never be signed until US and Cuba have more normal relations, but there is an interim agreement that gets approved periodically.

One thing I don't understand is if it is true that there are millions of leased acres that aren't being explored (and I can't find any source for this assertion) it shouldn't be a problem if ANWR or additional offshore areas are leased, since oil companies won't drill anyway what's the problem???

Hey Curt This is a winner!
It's a lot better to see her in action.

Maxine and Socialism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ

sandrob 2:21 PM EST
"I checked the weather in all 9 of Tuscany Providences ... and interestingly enough the weather in all 9 providences were within a couple of degrees of Virgina."

Sometimes a place where it's COLD will have a HOT day; sometimes a place where it's HOT will have a COLD day. Sometimes a whole week or month or season that's out of the ordinary.

"So, I guess this makes Old Bob and Oil Barren!"

??? How could Oil be barren? And I'm not, btw.

Why Bush Didn't Open ANWAR
One of the Dems' frequent mantras is that from 01 til 06 the Repubs had the WH and majorities in both houses, so why didn't they pass laws permitting more oil production? The answer is simple. First, the The envirolobbyists would pressure one of the Dems into fillibustering and since the Repubs couldn't muster enough votes for cloture, the legislation would die. Second, if by some miracle, Congress & the Prez succeded in enacting a law, any effort to actually produce oil would be greeted with an incessant string of lawsuits filed by environut groups which would tie up any project in court for years until eventually it is abandoned.

Sandrob
In the 70's, about 6 months before oil, if it were found, could be extracted; however, new technologies could expedite this, I am sure, quicker. In Colorado around Parachute, in the 70's coal was being converted to oil. I believe that if you check, the military still uses this method to get their oil, but we cannot. Why?
Environmentalists and the brainwashed public that supports such nonsense. Even after drilling, land was always returned to its pristine state by planting and restoring, but check the pollutants from coal and from ethanol and you might be amazed.

Hey Rondak
Regarding Gull Island. I think it is one of the Liberal Conspiracy Thoeries. I would need to have a lot more than liberal blogs and Liberal News outlets before I would fall for this one. I like the car that runs on water better. The only thing the USGS has inregards to Gull Island is refrencing the Valdez Oil Spill. Post some URLs of unbiased web sites.

Hey Mistert
Thanks for your help.
So, If we could get rid of the Eco-Socialist, we could probably see results between 1 and 2 years. Sound about right? I'm sure ANWAR would take a little longer because we would have to take the time to kill all the polar bears and caribou. Nasty, stinky animals anyway! Although the polar bears do make nice rugs!
LOL

Big oil vs big government.
The only thing that these government bureaucrats fear is something larger than they are. This is why the government wants to socialize big oil, just as they want to socialize big medicine. Just as they want to socialize big anything. They want to control the population so that it will be easier for them to tell everyone what to do, how to do it and where to do it. These people want to sovietize the USA.

Hey Bob Puknick
A Freudian Slip! I must have been thinking your name and hoping you were Barren as in 1: not reproducing: as in "incapable of producing offspring". The thought of more than one of you is frightening!
You could have figured that out on your own.

By the way, do you have access to the internet at your villa in Tuscany? If so, You can sign up with rushlimbaugh.com and get his shows downloaded for only $6.99 per month. As a matter of fact you can do that that at your Estate in the horse country of Virgina. Or if the drilling rig isn't keepin you too busy, in Presho you could sign up there.
LOL Bob

Hey Moonbat Exterminator
The next time they use that mantra, advise them the Democrat/Socialist controlled the Senate. Bush's Energy Plan was replaced with Tom Daschle's plan. NO OIL Drilling!
I never thought I would use something from PBS but this is an article on bushes 2001 energy plan and Speech. Interesting to go back and see what the Democratic Socialist refused to agree to.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/jan-june01/energ y_5-17a.html

Hey Moonbat Exterminator
Here is another tid bit to add to your arsenal:

Thursday, March 17, 2005
Seattle Post Intelligencer
"Cantwell said: "We can't drill our way to energy independence in the Arctic. ... Most Americans agree that drilling in a wildlife refuge -- to secure a six-month supply of oil a decade from now -- just isn't worth it."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer2/index.asp?ploc=b&ref er=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/216352_anwr17.html

Bob Munck
If you really believe your idiotic assertion that the oil companies are not drilling on purpose to drive up oil prices, then stop blocking drilling. Open the OCS, ANWAR and the oil shale and stop pretending that your arguments make any sense at all. Open them up and see if drilling commences right away. Would you admit you are flat wrong if drilling did commence immediately?

We need to become self-reliant and quit funding Islamofascists.

Steve 6:41 PM EST
"If you really believe your idiotic assertion that the oil companies are not drilling on purpose to drive up oil prices, then stop blocking drilling. Open the OCS, ANWAR"

Don't look at me. I've never opposed drilling in ANWR.

"Would you admit you are flat wrong if drilling did commence immediately?"

No, only if the actual pumping of significant quantities of oil into the market commenced. Anyone can drill a token well or so, then claim "technical difficulties." If the oil flows, I'm wrong.

Hey Killer - I love that name!
How is my favorite Russian Economist?

Killer, what is the net profit margin the oil companies make?

What was Google's net Profit for it's most recent quarter?

What (on average) would you expect a bank's net profit margin would be?

Now, don't come back with a silly answer about total profits. I'm talking "net profit margin"

I will be surprised if I hear back from you.

Congress' Crimes Against Humanity
Murphy's column and the committee report proves (no doubt about it) that Barack Obama, Harry Reid Reid, Nancy Pelosi and other liberals are being paid off-BRIBED- by criminal OPEC and criminal oil speculators to oppose drilling in the US to manipulate the prices of oil and gas.

This congressional report reads like it was written by OPEC and oil speculators.

Here's a fact: 15 Billion barrels of proven oil reserves in Alaska, and several times that off the Atlantic. In addition there are enough proven natural gas reserves to hold the US for 400-500 years.

Roy Innis recently wrote and proved) that by opposing drilling and allowing criminals to keep oil at $140/barrel, this Congress is destroying the civil rights and human rights of poor African Americans. That's right, this Congress is guilty of using oil to racially attack blacks and other minorities.

This is the same Congress the UN said was guilty of crimes against humanity for allowing the ethanol industry to cause massive starvation including deaths of poor people all over the world.

Pelosi, Obama et al have long since sunk lower than Hitler morally, and this column PROVES it.

RMurphy, you Spin one more word,,,,,,,,,
i will puke all over Townhall.com. Your column is so full of C.R.A.P, YOUR EYES ARE PROBABLY BROWN.
You say the report has no correlation between the comments of dril drill and drill, will reduce our needs for foreign oil. Then why are your catch phrases, `We need to drill for more Oil now, now now. Which translated to Drill drill drill.
You and the column is pure horse pucky and it stinks.

Fourteen
of these clowns are profiting from oil investments. The Hill has a story by
Alexander Bolton "Democrats Willing to Criticize
Oil Despite Holding Stock." The piece quotes
a few that give the Norman Bates answer..even if they are invested, and a windfall tax hurts them they blah blah blah. Uh huh, yeah..bridge for sale. Is it any wonder these clowns don't want us drilling domestically, that would really cut into their portfolios is oil came down in price per barrel.
And then we have Obama getting perks from
Archer Daniels Midland, and even "riding" a jet
of ADM (as opposed to McCain's flying one), and his campaign manager, Tom "I'm concerned" Daschle has interests in Ethanol companies and sits on the boards of three. And I dunno, I may be a tad suspicious, about "we wouldn't hurt a fly" demonRATS, they wouldn't have their fingers in the Ethanol pie as well as Oil, now would they? Silly me, Pelosi promised this would be the most ethical Congress blah blah blah.

Hey Butcher
1) Are you related to Killer (God, how I love that name)?

2) Are you the Eco-Socialist 2nd Shift?

The author called me and asked me to tell you that you should pretend he was a "tofu burrito"
Then he told me to tell you "Eat Me".

What've we to lose?
Drill here, drill now. If it doesn't lower the price, maybe it will at least stop it from going to 7.00 a gal. At least we have more for US instead of waiting for some middle eastern country to turn the spiggot on. We need to start some lawsuits of our own to tie up these ecco-facists long enough to bankrupt them. We out-number them by at least ten to one(a guess) so we should be able to raise enough to do this. How long are we going to take four and five dollar a gallon gas?

oil and the greenies
nukes will not be built.
the petro dollars funnel to greenie groups that think a trees lfe is just as important as a humans life.
nuke plants kill fish and algae since they heat the water supply used for steam and subsequent cooling. wind power: air turbines kill birds so you must spend several 100s of thousads of dollars for each turbine to protect birdies.

any competition of oil will be defeated.
oil bought the private bus lines and the red line in l.a. and let it go belly up on purpose.

ike built the interstate system on national defence programs. john or barry could build nukes under the mantle of national defense, but the oil liked the hiway and hates the nukes competition.

the republicans and democrat parties will not solve any energy problems. they have been saying they will since 1973. 35 years and not 1 fn positive solution.
drilling is not going to solve it. when the oil companies drilled/pipelined in alaska, the american people were told that there was more oil in alaska and we would never have to import oil from s.a. again. LIE. the oil out of the ground goes to the bidders. all oil has been bought on the future market before it leave the ground and no one but the petromafia has control of its destination.
hasta,
a.b. normal
lancaster, mexifornia
dial 1 for english

A.B. normal
Actually there have been nukes built in the last 35 years. Right near me we have Perry nuclear. A person I know just finished building wind generators in N.Y.C. Savanna River has about six. In Michigan there is a power station that has a huge manmade lake that pumps water in at low demand times and lets the same culverts make electricity by flowing in reverse during peak times. It actually produces a lot more power than it uses. There are answers available but are being blocked by all kinds of NUTS.


Correction
Savannah river has about six nukes!

Alternative energy for airlines?
Seems to be tons of experts on this blog...so this question sould be easy to answer:

What alternative energy source will work for the airline industry: nuclear? wind? solar? geothermal? bio-diesel? steam? coal? wood chips? good intentions? other?

Just wanted to find out - among all the "practical alternatives" crowd out there - where air travel fits into picture.


Hey Denny43
Ugh! Baking Soda and Vinegar?

Hey Denny43 Nuther Try please!
My neighbor is a Eco-Socialist. He suggested a really, really big rubberband. he said it worked for his Airplane.

Hey Denny43 Nuther Try please!
Bob Puknik emailed me and suggested really big peddles attached to propellers. He said Killer, Butcher and he, put their heads together and came up with this as the best alternative to Jet Fuel. Although they said the rubber band was also a pretty good idea.
They all disagreed on the baking soda and vinegar idea because it might put too much acetic oxide gas into the atmosphere, which we all know is a greenhouse gas. This might increase the destruction of the earth by 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 years

Hey eastlake joe
You said:

"There are answers available but are being blocked by all kinds of NUTS."

Bob puknik emailed me ad asked if I thought you were refering to killer, butcher and him? What should I tell him?

Hey eastlake joe
You Said:
"There are answers available but are being blocked by all kinds of NUTS."

Perry nuclear, wasn't that slated to be to be a two unit Nuclear Plant? It has been described as one of the most expensive ever constructed. Wasn't the second unit cancelled by moonbats such as youself that help cancel completion of the second unit? Isn't there a 500 foot tall cooling tower that is just sitting there going to waste? What was it the "China Syndrome" that got the Eco-Ecologist going?
Bob, killer and butcher asked me to give their regards.
LOL



Hey Denny43
All kidding aside, you are the first person to ask this question (that I know of). And it is a great question that the Eco-Socialist have no answer for.
I can't believe with all articles and responding post I've read, no one has asked this very simple question.
Kudos to you!

Food for Thought
Could it be possible that oil companies are not drilling even at $145 per barrel because their data shows the oil would cost much more than that to produce? Say, $250 per barrel?

As to peak oil, and running out of oil: The early technology for drilling for oil used a simple rig that could drill a few hundred feet. All the oil at greater depths was not found, not developed, and never sold with that technology. They had a peak, and ran out of oil because the drilling rigs just could not find it.

Oh wait. Somebody developed and patented a rotary drill bit and better drilling technology ... name of Howard Hughes Sr... started the Hughes Tool Company... So oil deeper in the earth DID get drilled and found...

But that oil also ran out, peaked, and we sat in our cars in our driveways because there was no more oil. The eco-nuts rejoiced.

Oh wait...some bright guys figured out ways to drill in the ocean, first in a few feet of water then in hundreds of feet and now in over a thousand feet of water. Found even more oil. And some other bright guys figured out that if they could drill sideways after drilling down a few thousand feet, they could produce even more oil...called it directional drilling...and we had enough oil to drive our SUVs and V8 pickup trucks. Whew.

There is no PEAK oil... and we are not running out...have a little faith in my guys in the oil patch...we have computers now...and smart drilling rigs...and we can find oil and produce it no matter what the price...

For those of you in the computer world, this is a bit like that guy's law that said computing capability will double every few years. Our ability to find and produce oil is increasing at a rapid rate, too.

BobMunck
greetings... as I have stated on these threads before, oil companies have little incentive at this time to invest billions in new oil wells.

The gasoline market is shrinking, and is likely to contract dramatically in the next few years.

Consider: US CAFE standards were increased 50 percent, from roughly 22 to 35 miles per gallon. All those gas guzzlers that were exempted from the CAFE calculations are not selling so well with gasoline over $4 per gallon.

But hybrids are selling out on the dealer lots, plug-in hybrids are available, and pure electric vehicles are inconvenient but they work.

Why would any oil company spend billions to find oil, knowing that by the time they finally get to sell the oil, there very well could be no market for it? The oil companies are not that dumb.

Airplane Fuel Alternatives
This is actually a very difficult problem. The key problems are weight and freezing. Jet fuel is about the perfect fuel for airplanes because it does not need heavy fuel tanks with thick walls. Lightweight fuel tanks do just fine. And it does not freeze.

Jet fuel is also dense, in the sense that it provides a lot of energy for every pound of fuel. That is very important for airplanes because of the weight issue.

Alternatives being studied include bio-jet fuel, hydrogen, fuel cells, coal-to-liquids, and bio-based alcohols. All have serious drawbacks.

We need a plant that will produce an oil that will not freeze at high altitude, and is dense so the airplane will have a good range, or distance it can fly. Still looking for that plant.

Hydrogen is full of problems. It is too light, with not enough energy for a given volume of hydrogen. We could compress it to 10,000 pounds per square inch, but then the fuel tank walls must be very thick and will be too heavy.

We could chill the hydrogen and use it in liquefied form, much like space shuttles do. There are serious safety risks with that one. Liquid hydrogen also requires very heavy equipment to keep it cold. Not a good solution.

Same issues for fuel cell as a propulsion system. But, Boeing and Sandia Labs are doing research on this.

Bio-alcohols could also work, especially something like butanol or propanol. Research is needed. Butanol and propanol can be placed in the same fuel tanks as jet fuel, but may freeze at high altitude.

Chemists can make butanol from ethanol, but we are right back to the basic problems of producing bio-ethanol: not enough land, food prices increase, and energy produced is just about equal to energy consumed.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Robert
I've been looking around for some source for the "68 million acres leased but not drilled". The House democrat committee staff report linked in the article I find very poor. First off, they claim to show that the number of rotary drills in operation (number easily obtained) is increasing, and so is gas price, so they conclude that there is no correlation between drilling and gas price. fair enough. But then they go on the claim that they can extrapolate current production rates to the "68 million idle" acres with no justification. They only provide two references. One on predicted ANWR resource, and one on the potential oil and gas resource on onshore federal land. Nothing on offshore. I d/led that report. It's pretty big and will take some time to go through.

We need to keep in mind that in the US, oil is owned by private owners, states, and the federal gov't. You can't just look at production on federal land to get a handle on US total production. Also, there are so many players in US oil production (upstream) and products (downstream) its difficult to keep a straight face listening to all the talk of "big oil". It's also difficult to look only at crude oil while ignoring natural gas, since "oil" companies are involved with both.

California Oil
There are 23 offshore platforms on the Outer Continentl Shelf (OCS) of off the California Coast. Most of these platforms stretch from Ventura Count to San Luis Obispo County and the majority of those are of off Santa Barbara County. The oil companies have leases all along the coast. Because the feds (most of the platfoms are in federal waters) left the regulation to the state and the state let the local goverments, mainley Santa Barbara, the oil companies are not even allowed to slant drill into their adjoining lease. Santa Barbara is a VERY wealthy community that contributes heavily to the big shot politians. In fact Santa Barbar would love to get rid of all the up stream capabilities of the oil companies and not have any drilling off shore. I am not sure how much oil there is but even these platforms are opening formaly capped wells. I do know that there are natural seeps the pollute the enviornment in one day as much as all of the traffic and manufaction in the county does in a year. you will never hear about that because the local enviornmental groups have turned a cottage industry into a big "non-profit" organization. i suggest you look at http://www.venoco.com and go to the govet. site http://www.mms.gov. to see what is really going on.

Listen to wallet instead of Obama
Poll your Pocketbook
Instead of worrying about what others think from some poll - poll your pocketbook.

All experts I can find think that gas prices will top off at $7.00 a gallon - that is based on the 'faith' that Iran or Israel will not start a war in the Middle East.

That is a 75% increase in the current prices.

Groceries will go up. Clothes will go up.
Home heating and cooling will go up.
School supplies will go up.
Garbage collection will go up.
Obama promises increased taxes on SS and personal Income taxes.
The number of Government employees already exceeds Wal-Mart at 1,800,000 and Obama promises a huge increase in government.

School taxes will rise because of heating and cooling schools and the gas to bus them.

State and Local taxes will increase to meet the demands of the new Obama 'solutions'.

Would you rather listen to polls or listen to your wallet?

Obama and a Democrat congress will ensure a 'Change' you might not want to believe in unless you are very wealthy.
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