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Friday, April 24, 2009
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
100 Days
by Mike Gallagher
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We continue to live smack dab in the middle of a “Twilight Zone” episode.

Every new revelation about the Obama Administration comes with the familiar musical notes of the Rod Serling TV classic ringing in my head: “Do-dee-do-do, do-dee-do-do...”

I know the mainstream media is frantically trying to cover for this train wreck, but are Americans paying attention?

Let’s sum up just the past couple of weeks: President Obama goes to Europe and the Middle East, bowing and scraping (literally, just ask King Abdullah) and apologizing for the United States of America.

His Treasury Secretary announces that banks needing “exceptional assistance” under the TARP bail-out could be forced by his administration to make management changes akin to those that occurred with General Motors.

His Homeland Security Secretary sends a memo to law enforcement agencies warning them to be on the lookout for returning veterans and citizens who believe in state’s rights and are against abortion because we’re potentially violent “right-wing extremists.”

Later, this same Homeland Security disaster tells an interviewer that the 9/11 terrorists came across the Canadian border; this, on the heels of her stated position on CNN that sneaking across the border isn’t a crime, it’s a civil matter.

Obama rejects the advice of his own CIA director and decides to release specific details about the interrogation tactics our intelligence community used against some suspected terrorists, demoralizing and humiliating the men and women who are in the unenviable position of trying desperately to keep this country safe from another 9/11.

The president says that he has no intention of fulfilling the Moveon.org crazies’ desire to prosecute members of the Bush Administration who devised harsh interrogation tactics for harsh, murderous terrorists and then, a week later, changes his mind and leaves the door open for going after members of our intelligence community, all while seemingly ignoring the chorus of voices around him that are confirming that the tactics have actually worked.

If George Bush had such a disaster-plagued couple of weeks, I think the editors of the New York Times would be literally storming the White House with pitchforks and torches. First 100 days, indeed.

The silliest, most frustrating national dialogue has been this chattering about waterboarding and slapping around bad guys in order to extract information from them.

“We don’t torture” is the anguished cry of squishy people who have decided that trying to frighten terrorists by roughing them up is somehow the very definition of torture.

I watched former New York Times reporter Judith Miller wail about waterboarding on Fox News this week. She complained that she can barely complete reading the released documents because they are so grisly and awful.

I wonder how she compares putting a caterpillar in a cell with a bad guy to taking a knife and slicing off the head of a screaming college kid in front of a rolling video camera?

Rep. Pete Hoeskstra was a guest on my radio show and repeated something that the released documents about interrogation revealed. Do you know how many people our country “waterboarded” over six years ago?

Based on the hysteria we’ve been hearing, surely it’s a big number, right?

Well let’s take a multiple choice test.

How many suspected terrorists have we waterboarded?

A) 500
B) 1200
C) 3
D) 900
The answer, of course, is C.

Three people.

We poured water in the mouths of three stinking, miserable, murderous terrorists. And you’d think we re-enacted the Crusades.

Out of the thousands of terrorists we’ve managed to kill or capture, three people were subjected to waterboarding. And that causes bleeding heart liberals like Judith Miller seem to want to break out in tears and move to France.

It’s positively disgusting.

I have to believe Americans are paying attention. Thousands and thousands of us took to the streets last week in peaceful, spirited demonstrations against the way this country is headed.

Last Friday night, I spoke before a crowd of around 10,000 people in Greenville, South Carolina.

10,000 people in the heartland coming out to carry American flags and express indignation over the debacle of the first 100 days of the Obama Administration.

That’s powerful stuff.

Americans have had enough. The tea parties weren’t a one-time event. They are the start of a revolution.

The more insanity that comes from Washington, D.C., the stronger the loyal opposition becomes.

A movement is growing.

Let’s hope it’s not too late.

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Wrong show
I'm having a hard time deciding on the right TV show; the ones that come immediately to mind are Tales From The Crypt, Gilligan's Island and Beverly Hillbillies. I'd probably rule out the latter, because no one in this adminstration is clever enough to be a Clampett.

Wrong show...
How about the Jeffersons (movin on up, to the top of that deluxe White House in the sky) or perhaps Green Acres (see the new garden behind said White House).

MOST AMERICANS ARE PAYING ATTENTION
and we are astounded at what is going on in our country. Is Barack Obama for real? I want to wake up one morning and believe these past 100 days was a dream, but wanting that keeps me from the reality of what Barack Obama is doing to our country. Mostly, I want children who come after us to know and cherish the pride of what it is to be an American, not to hear stories of what Amercia once was.

For now I'll stick to my vote in 2010, the Tea Parties, letters and e-mails to my congressmen/women and hope someone that cares as I do is listening.


One nice thing about a revolution
is that it is never too late to be effective. It is the ultimate re-boot. It can make things worse. It can be so bloody and cruel the results are not worth the losses. It can be too late to prevent misery, but a revolution is never too late to start over.

100 days of "The One"
This piece of evil excrement now "leading" the country is just too much to give me anything other than a deep feeling that we are all doomed to a failure that will take years to heal if ever. And his minions led by all the idiots who support this evil are dancing around the bonfine of the death of morality and all that once was great about this country. it's like the worst nightmare that anyone with any sense of values could ever have.
I'm shocked at what I read and hear that this body of evil now ruling is proposing to completely erode that our forefathers have fought and died for.
All these policies espoused by this resident evil are nothing that will lead us on any other path than that of destruction.
For me he's morally corrupt and his followers as well.
We're in for dangerous times.

Old Tom, dead on
I couldn't of said it better myself Tom. The "worst nightmare" remark is so true. If one had written a conspiracy movie 20 years ago about a sick, corrupt government, that through government bailouts, graft, payola,are able to take over most of the media, and coerce them into supporting that government, like GE/NBC/MSNBS, or the newspapers like the NYT, the movie would of been a flop as being to unbelievable. This is truly scary.

Reality Bites!
I wonder how many people in Los Angeles are alive today because we found out through very tough interrogation the follow-up to 9/11 would be a plane crashing into the tallest building in L.A.

Jeez, liberals want to kill babies and they also want to step aside and do their darnest to ensure that the Islamic fascists have a free run at targets in the U.S.

What do you call people who want to play with the Marquis of Queensbury rules with murderous terrorists?

Ans: Prey!

Be Of An Untroubled Heart
I share the perceptions and after 62 years of waking up every morning as a free, native born American citizen I also wonder how it all became unhinged so quickly.

It is equivalent to falling down the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland. Nothing is as it should be and nothing is ever as it seems when it concerns the Great Socialist Mountebank in the White House.

With all that said we should be mindful of the need to have an untroubled heart. Americans are the strongest, smartest, most resilient people ever to grace the planet. We are not quitters, we are not wall-flowers. We are made of stern stuff. Negativity from a two-bit empty suit Chicago machine-politics thug is not enough to cause us to throw up our hands in dismay and turn the Republic over to the legions of ignorant Alinsky Socialist maggots who lack the sense to pour pizz out of a boot.

As long as we are engaged, as long as we avoid the pathetic apathy and mindless cult of celebrity promoted by the insipdly ignorant who put this charlatan in office we will peserve.

This is still a great country and we are still a great people - it is time to arouse every like-minded person you know to begin to act - loudly and frequently - we are fed up and we want our many voices to be heard in unison. We will not allow the 6% to hijack our glorious nation. Let your voice be heard by every politician in the land - we will not have it and we will use e-v-e-r-y means at our disposal to restore the Republic.

Politics Over Country's Safety
Obama is continually choosing to please his leftist cohorts instead of thinking about the reality of the situation after 9/11, by releasing the CiA memos and in him targeting the very citizens who chose NOT to vote for him. He has chosen incompetent cabinet members and citizens' who did not even pay there taxes. Obama and his administration treat dictators who think the U.S. is evil with more dignity and respect than citizens of his country who happen to disagree with his policies. This President takes naive and malpractrice of being Commander-in-Chief to a whole new level. Obama is making the U.S.A less safe than it was before and I just hope his administration doesn't harm this country so much that we are in danger of another terrorist attack. Great article Mike!! I thought this President was a pragmatist,and now he is giving the appearance that he is the terrorists best friend!!!

I see all this hoopla being
circulated about how wonderful bambi's first 100 days have been and I wonder what the hell these people are smoking?

This fool is a walking train wreck, he has done more in 100 days to destroy this country than anything I have seen in my almost 70 years.

Everything he does or proposes is designed to turn this country into a communist state and no-one in gov't stands up and hollers whoa, hey pal that's un American, that isn't what this country is all about.

If he actually allows these lousy leftist SOBs to try those who kept this country safe, who prevented other Americans from having to jump from the top floors of a high rise, them we need to call for his impeachment or storm DC in protest.

This is America fool, we do not prosecute people for policy differences, perhaps he should read a little American history starting with the Constitution.
This guy will get a lot of people killed before this is over and that will be on the heads of anyone who was stupid enough to fall for his BS.


3 TERRORISTS, 5,000 AMERICANS
So we "waterboarded" 3 terrorists and in the process saved the lives of 5,000 Americans in Los Angeles.

Terrorists, on the other hand, (you know, the ones BO loves so much) have sawed off the heads of countless innocent civilians with a dull knife.

Hmmm, I think...yeah...I think maybe the "torture" was substantiated.

The Lost Twilight Zone Episode

"NIGHTMARE AT THE WHITE HOUSE"

And now for reality.

The nightmare is just beginning!

Yesterday, today and tomorrow, the left-wing cabal, now running the country, works at one thing. Keeping power! There are plenty of friends helping them. The MSM remains at their beckon call. Left-wing Democrats are rampant in the Congress.

But there's something more sinister.

What is the Soros cabal capable of doing to maintain their power? The answer.............

ANYTHING!






flap ears and the trolls
exactly why is flap ears president of the country.

He has a troubling disdain for our history and typical of leftist/troll mentality, the woprld began on the day he was elected and each morning he awakens to a clean slate where events he either caused or worsened are conveniently forgotten less they conflict with his needed daily fix of public adulation

Flap ears won't talk to the repubs, but he seems to be having laugh fests with various haters of america who run their countries like wardens in a prison.

And even fidel says, the messiah shows signs of being superficial. What a revelation, seeing as the old murderer is the particular darling of the airheads from hollyweird

These days better to be seen as a somewhat more sane american. The extremist and racist tea party attendee totally opposed to the clueless messiah and his vision of destroying america in favor of his socialist paradise

Soros
I can only imagine what Soros has planned for the next 100 days.

At the crossroads
I've been on this earth for almost 80 years, born in San Francisco and grew up through the Great Depression, WW2, Korean and Vietnam wars (I refuse to call them 'conflicts'), postwar times, hippie & flower-child times, draft-dodger and deserter times, the Carter debacle, the great reawakening of the Reagan years, the disasters of the Bush presidencies, the demeaning Clinton years, and now the most humiliating of all, the Obama ascendancy.

I am retired military, a veteran of WW2, and a registered Republican who takes the time to vote my convictions.

I'm here to lend my voice to those in the wilderness who are crying out that the extremists in our country are sacrificing our great, beloved country on the alter of socialism, and it may take an actual revolution to take it back.

Let's hope it's bloodless, but our country was founded out of blood, tears, and fortunes by patriots willing to fight and lay down their lives for what they believed in.

We are the recipients of the sacrifices made by the patriots of our Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf War. Will their sacrifices all be in vain?

Have the majority of Americans lost their will to fight for what is rightfully theirs by the Grace of God Almighty?

Will they fall into lockstep behind the socialist Judas goats?

I am convinced America is at the crossroads of history.

The Revolution Has Begun
My friends, the revolution has begun. Fortunately for us in America the Founding Fathers of this nation put in place a peaceful way to overturn the government...it's called an election cycle. Keep the waters churning until 2010 and lets retake the Congress with true conservatives who believe in small government and personal responsibility. Remember Jimmy Carter? He ushered in the era of Ronald Regan, a movement that might have never occured had it not been for his, and the democrats, inept handling of the government. I think when all is said and done President Obama, with all due respect the office of the President of the United States, will destroy his own party with his socialist agenda.

"a"
Do you know that Marines are subjected to waterboarding as part of their combat training?

Do you sit there and tell me that you would not use any means at your disposal to save the lives of your loved ones and fellow citizens, and your beloved country, if you knew that certain CONFIRMED terrorists held information vital the the safety and survival of all that you supposedly hold dear?

I would do whatever necessary to get the information out of those I knew had that information that would protect our country from harm.

I would do it without compuction or feelings of guilt, even if it meant my own sanity.

And I would not be ashamed to face God's judgment for my actions.

Question For My Fellow Texan "a"
We captured individuals who had information about planned attacks. Those individuals would not freely give up that information. Waterboarding was successful in obtaining the information and saving lives. You find waterboarding unacceptable as a means for obtaining this information. So, what do you suggest as an equally effective alternative that you would find acceptable?

In the real world
And in a just world, a bad American is one who will not take the necessary steps to defend against enemies.

From deterring crime to preventing wars, the best we can do is make a great show of strength and let our enemies know we're willing to do what it takes.

Yes, it can go too far. Life is full of moral lines in the sand and people are fallible. Hopefully, we choose leaders who will make the tough decisions. I don't believe we are choosing well.

a, TX
It's idiots like you who are destroying this country. I suppose you had rather have another 9/11 and see thousands of Americans suffer than to see a terrorist suffer. Why are liberals always for the terrorist instead of the innocent. intellectually limited liberal--idiots is what they are!!!

Self Defense
My son works in the Library Tower in Los Angeles, a primary target for Islamic radicals that may have been saved from attack by interrogation of captured terrorists. I would support any type of interrogation technique that saves American lives, particularly when so personal. The wimps that object are free to do so, but we must be able to defend ourselves against a ruthless enemy intent on killing us.

Mike Gallagher
Great Article!! This Administration is sure to go down in history as by far the worst ever. As you stated it seems that this admin cares more for Dictators and Kings, than its own citizens. America Need Not apologize for anything.

I could care less about the interrogation techniques used by our interrogators on these TERRORISTS, American lives were saved. If anyone has a problem with them, that is your problem. I am sure Daniel Pearl, may he rest in peace, would have no problem with the interrogation techniques used on these terrorists.

Now the Obama administration has released our playbook for our enemies to read and train against. I would like to take this opportunity to ~thank~ this administration for deliberately creating a security breach of the United States of America.

I also call for the release of the memos which describe how effective these interrogation techniques work.

I am also calling for the resignation of Janet Napolitano, due to the placement of Americans in an extremist category because of political beliefs. Janet you are the head of the DHS, not the Gestapo. Under the memo that was leaked, being that I am a Libertarian, support Bob Barr and Ron Paul, against abortion, and a Desert Storm Veteran, I am considered a "right-wing extremist". ~Thank you Janet for your support of our Veterans.~

Long Live Liberty

In this episode
The mainstream media here in America has been replaced by North Koreans. That explains their support of the policies of Obama.

Reba
Take comfort in the fact that future children will not "hear stories of what Amercia once was." The victor writes the history and those children will only hear about the immoral America from which Obama and his Communists saved them.

I'm sure "a" from TX will help write the new history books.


Turnaround is Fair Play
Obama and his Communist crew are having their way now, but nothing is forever. Sooner or later, a conservative government will re-emerge in the US. If Obama goes down this path (of show trials), the first act of a conservative government should be to try Obama for treason.

terrorists vs saving americans
funny how the leftists kooks always value the lives of the terrorists over keeping american citizens safe.

Despite daily reports of bombings and killings from terrorists in the muslim countries against other muslims, the trolls still maintain these barbarians have more rights than americans defending this country


But should another 9/11 the trolls and the pretender in the white house will take the position it was american arrogance that caused the tragedy not the terrorists doing the barbarian act

After all we now have a pretend president far more comfortable joking with dictators than in talking to the elected repubs.


a from Texas
Torture may not be acceptable in conventional warfare between the military forces of civilized countries, but when dealing with subhuman dogs like the Islamic terrorists who attacked the World Trade center, there is no line whatsoever. Any tactic necessary to protect American lives is acceptable, because no atrocity is beyond the reach of the enemy.

Reply to a, 9:06 AM EST
Scenario: A group of terrorist have hijacked a school bus with "your" son or daughter on board and is threatening to kill all the children if we don't meet their demands within a set time frame. In the process we captured one of the terrorists during the hijacking and he has refused to talk.

So "a" what would you in your little utopian brain do?

A. Use enhanced interrogation techniques (water boarding, uncomfortable environmental conditions etc...) to obtain the location of the terrorists holding the children.

B. Meet the terrorists demands and hope they don't kill the children anyway.

C. Treat the captured terrorist as a criminal, mirandize him, and bestow upon him constituional protections and charge him with murder when the kids are killed.

Remember, you and your ilk were foaming at the mouth asking Bush and the CIA why they didn't do more to "prevent" 9-11 in the first place.


A - I DON'T BELIEVE YOU LIVE IN TX

.....TEXAS would not tolerate a worm such as yourself unless you are on the faculty of UT ...

.....If you think water boarding is "torture" ...I could show you techniques I learned in the Far East that would make water boarding seem like a massage with a velvet glove .....COLOSSUS

Obamageddon
Obama also is calling for pilots NOT to have guns for protction from terrorists while saying the pilots should undergo schooling when THEY GET OUT OF LINE..
Obama plans to pay with tax dollars the health care for millions , while forcing veterans to pay for their own healthcare..
It is so evident that Onama is trying to make America and some good Americans appear as the bad guys while he plays footsie with satan islamic children..
He is exactly what Farrakhan said..He is the muslims savior..

I WANT A SPLIT SCREEN

.....I want to see water boarding side by side with DANIEL BERG getting his head sawed off ...

.....A ...I don't know if you have testicles but if you do ..I would be willing to extract them through your nostrils with a hot poker if I thought that by doing so I would save the life of one American soldier in the field

....You are a fool too stupid to live ...you only survive by the grace of men who have the guts to do what you condemn from the safety of your moral high ground .....COLOSSUS

To Darlene
Don't you remember Mr. Berg or Danny Pearl who were beheaded by the very Terrorist you want to be treated like a child punished in grammer school.
Please call the Obama Administration and ask them to release the information that we received from enhanced interrogation.
Mr. Obama own National Security Adviser said in a statement that much crediable information was obtained by using these methods.
The Brooklynn Bridge was saved from being brought down and a tower in Las
Vegas.

When we are attacked not IF because of these actions by a naive adminstration I can only hope it is city where you live so you can see that the intelligent company will NOT be aggressively prosuing information to keep my country safe.
The enemy is at war with the USA and will use any tactic to kill Americans.
Under your analysis, it would be torture to kill them on the battlefield.
These investigations are nothing but POLITICAL grandstanding.

Every member of the intelligent committee was briefed on these techniques and NEVER said a word. These committees had democrats as well as repubicans on them. NOT one Peep out of anyone.

If this comes to a trial all the members of Congress should be on trial too. That includes Nancy Pelosi.


Charles
Note that the "wimps who object," such as Nancy Pelosi, did not object at the time ("I didn't understand how very mean it was," she wails). It appears that 9/11 had them off their game, even if only briefly.

Now, having come a long way from the terrorist attacks of 9/11 without another, similar (or worse) "man-caused disaster," they're back on their game and free to portray anyone who helped prevent a 9/11 replay as "evil."

Don't you wonder why we don't see replays of the horrors of 9/11, the Americans jumping to their deaths, the buildings collapsing, the horrible clouds of dust? Well, no one wants to upset Americans or remind them of their feelings on that day. No, now it's time to look to the future, forget the history.

What is it they say about people who forget history? Gee, I can't remember....

A
Even though I’m a retired, disabled military combat veteran who has seen enough of war to be able to form a personal perspective based on experience, I suppose I’m a “$h!^^y American” by your standards. I believe in using the simple, non-permanent residuals-causing means used to extract information from enemies of our republic, especially if it may have saved American lives (and maybe even yours, my friend). I also believe that in a war you only negotiate with the enemy when you have your knee in his chest and your knife at his throat, and you begin negotiations only after killing his family, his water buffalo/donkey/camel/horse, destroying his mosque/temple/cairn, burning his village to the ground and salting his fields. I don’t know what other sobriquet you can apply to someone as vile as myself, but suspect that “Sh!^^y American” won’t cut it.

Now, A, tell me. How would you extract information? Or would you simply hope that kind, humane treatment - in a world where that kind of treatment is seen as weakness - would convince the enemy that he should divulge information of interest to our forces? It would be great if such treatment worked. In previous wars we went over and above what was considered humane treatment of enemy combatant prisoners, but that time is past. We can’t completely surrender our ideals, but we have to be ready to operate in today’s world, a world that has changed dramatically from what it was 50 years ago. I’ll turn your comments back on you. What do you think saving American lives is worth? I’d be very interested in seeing your ideas in writing.

a
I'm sure you're serious and that you genuinely believe that it would be better to have all of L.A. destroyed by a terrorist attack than to have wasted time and money following the false leads that were also obtained during this heinous torture.

If you were to move to L.A., not only would you be surrounded by those genuine "patriots" who agree with you but you would also be proving your dedication to saving CIA time and money at any cost of mere lives and property. Just doowit!

As to the captured terrorist who knows where that school bus full of children is, NO torture. Have the charismatic President Obama sit with him for a while, then ask him politely where the bus is being held. That way we can avoid frightening the nice terrorist and save the children without firing a shot.

Ernest
Very well put. I just want to personally thank you and all the men and women who accept the sacrifices that keep our country safe.

My story is quite different from yours, but not uncommon. I was one of those 60's flower children who believed that it was wrong to hurt or kill under any circumstances. I "served" in a hospital as a CO. I guess I am what the liberals like to term a "chickenhawk". To say that I've seen the light somehow doesn't seem like enough to make up for my selfishness.

With the way things are going, though, I may yet have a chance to serve my country. Unfortunately I fear that the fight may be against people who live here.

We have become so soft in this country that very few of us understand the true nature of the Great Depression and the deprivation and sacrifice that people endured. There are those who will simply refuse to accept that sort of situation should the economy hit bottom. There won't be too many standing on the corner selling apples or matches.

When the welfare checks stop coming, there will be roving bands of armed have-nots taking whatever they need from the haves. After all, they have been taught, by the likes of people like Obama, that their lowly station in life is the result of greed on the part of those who provide for themselves. We simply haven't given them enough.

I, for one, am well armed and ready.

Baseballdoc
"A ...I don't know if you have testicles but if you do ..I would be willing to extract them through your nostrils with a hot poker if I thought that by doing so I would save the life of one American soldier in the field

....You are a fool too stupid to live ...you only survive by the grace of men who have the guts to do what you condemn from the safety of your moral high ground"

Couldn't have said it better. "a" is a coward who enjoys his freedom to speak on morality on the backs of those more courageous than himself. If he ever experiences the immorality of war where men are forced to fight for their mere survival then he can speak about morality to those who have to execute the tough decisions leaders make.

Like Judith Miller from NYT I hope she and "a" will move to France. Maybe then they'll see that the US of A is better than they were taught by their liberal professors.

a
Thanks for the new definition of "fascist." Now we can all update our dictionaries.

Hey, "a"?
Remember my question in #19? Do you have a response? ....Hello? Anybody back there? Bueller?

a's response to my question
"The bus has been hijacked and demands have been made. What do you want us to do with this captured terrorist? Torture him to make sure that the list of demands is accurate?"

Thanks for your non-answer. You have just proven to everyone here that you are indeed a snivling little coward, not willing to do what would be necessary to even save your own children. You truly are not a Texan but a transplant.

Misinformation
>I wonder how many people in Los Angeles are alive today because we found out through very tough interrogation the follow-up to 9/11 would be a plane crashing into the tallest building in L.A. <

A subsequent fact sheet released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bushs characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasnt captured until March 2003.

How could Sheikh Mohammeds water-boarded confession have prevented the Library Tower attack if the Bush administration "broke up" that attack during the previous year? It couldnt, of course. Conceivably the Bush administration, or at least parts of the Bush administration, didnt realize until Sheikh Mohammed confessed under torture that it had already broken up a plot to blow up the Library Tower about which it knew nothing.

Torture?
Our next enemy can simply redifine as we have, but to a much more troubling degree:

Why wait, our current enemy has already made it clear by cutting people's heads off. These are NOT soldiers representing a respective country...these Fanatical Terrorists.

You can lay down and try to negotiate, but that would be difficult with NO HEAD!

I guess you could easily say that when we used flame throwers to burn the Japanese out of their caves...it was torture. So be it!

Old Tom, Jerseyvet, Mike, etc.
Very well said all

I think it's disgusting that liberals cry, wail and wring their hands over the discomfort of murdering terrorists but see nothing wrong with sucking the brains out of the innocent unborn or leaving them to die alone in closets. This country has officially become morally bankrupt.

If one person in the Bush administration gets put on trial because of the need to put U.S. citizens first, with the release of these memos I propose Obama be tried for high treason during war time. Our enemies now have valuable tactical war information on our country and he has endangered us all.

I have never been so scared for my country as I am at this time. How could the American people have come to this point that they can embrace evil while turning their backs on what's good, right and true?

Obama, A Peter Sellers In Real Life!
Pancho offers, "Bush administration, didnt realize until Sheikh Mohammed confessed under torture that it had already broken up a plot to blow up the Library Tower about which it knew nothing."

What torture?

According to the memo's, if it matters, every effort was afforded to not torture anyone! The whole thing was a trick the captives into fear. It worked. And, no American tortured anyone. None!

The real evil is that a stupid, gardener made president, Obama has now let the world know that we only pretend to torture. What an idiot! Now, we have lost our ability to trick our captives into fear. What a gift to our enemies!

Bush was willing to let the "trick" remain secret even to his own political peril. For him, USA came first. Obama could care less about America. His political benefit is all he is after.

In electing Obama, America was out of its mind!

Torture?
"a" tells Darlene: "You are posting emotional drivel."

No, "a", you are.

The very purpose of waterboarding is to provide the detainee the unpleasant sensation that he is drowning WITHOUT KILLING OR PERMANENTLY HARMING HIM. You really don't have to worry about it being used again, because its harmlessness is now well known, thanks to "a" holes like you.

The Bush administration, rather than being evil clandestine torturers, as we have been led to believe, should be commended for having this useful interrogation technique legally reviewed and approved ahead of time.

I was going to say that we must now find an equally frightening but harmless technique to take its place, but with Obama as commander in chief, we will probably just release them.


Americans Did Not Torture Anyone!
a offers, "History shows -- and I know a little about this -- that mistreatment of prisoners and torture is not productive. It's not productive."

So, what? According to the memo's, no American tortured anyone. Every effort was made to trick the captives into fear. It worked. We got what we wanted and no one was harmed.

"Mistreatment" of suspects happens all of the time by investigators at every level. Trust me, they don't do it for fun. These guys only get rewarded for results. Investigators only do what works. They wouldn't waste their time or careers doing otherwise.

Obama will surrender
The Islamic butchers are holding back for a while to see if Obama will surrender without a fight. So far, from their perspective, the results are encouraging. But their patience is not infinite, and if Obama does not surrender Israel to the Palestinian rabble within a year or two, the terrorists may well attack us again to test Obama's resolve. Does anyone doubt his response, or lack thereof?

Here's the deal, "a" ...
While there are kooks out there, no rational individual wants to see any pain inflicted upon another, attach whatever label to the method you wish.

The difference between your view and mine is that I believe that protecting, preserving and defending this nation are more important than my personal preferences or feelings about me. It may not enhance my self-esteem to know that our government is participating in such conduct, I may not prefer it, but I understand that it is necessary. You see, unless we first protect this nation and our freedoms, what you prefer or what I prefer will not matter because someone else will decide for us.

As to the American exceptionalism to which you refer, that very exceptionalism is a product of strength. Strength means demonstrating to your enemies that you can defeat them. Demonstrating that is not something that is "nice" or "pretty". (Ask any soldier - and God bless every single one.) It requires conduct that neither you nor I would prefer. But, that's the way it is.

a from Texas
"a" is just playing with us. He is really either Barney Frank or Perez Hilton.

oneyedman #55
Well said

"a" Response
Sorry, you responded while I was posting #55.

Yes, I've seen, heard, read and am aware of all those reports. But, having spent over a third of my life in academia, I tend to focus more on results than words.

Has it bothered you that while these so-called experts say that "torture" is "not effective", we have real-life experience that waterboarding was indeed effective? Perhaps this is simplistic, but to me the result demonstrate that either (a) waterboarding is not the kind of "torture" to which they refer, or (b) that these so-called experts were wrong. Did I miss something?

People like "a" who cannot bring
themselves to criticize a terrorist, yet cannot wait to prosecute patriots who kept us safe make me sick.
I came within an hour of losing my son on 9/11. If his train had not been late, he would have been on the 86th floor, indeed, we could not locate him for another hour, knowing that anxiety, I can only imagine the pain of someone who lost a loved one that day.

yet the dems in their hatred for Bush refused to allow the photos of that attack be shown when in fact it should have been required showing daily to remind people of the dangers we faced.

Anyone who supports this agenda of obama's to destroy the infrastructure that kept us safe will have the blood of innocents on their hands when it happens again, and it will. Then thank your commie in chief and congratulate yourself for being so "progressive".

Liberals are such foolish children.

a
you are so right it is not about personal feelings....

What this is about is keeping America safe from another 9-11 style or any other type of attack from terrorist organizations. My view is whatever it takes to keep America safe. America comes first, always.

Right now this administration is going on a political witch hunt. Obama claimed he would bring Americans together, but is continually dividing the country.

Long Live Liberty

Help Me a Bit, "a"...
I'm getting lost in the reasoning here...

We seem to agree that it's not about our "feelings" (although, I notice you left out self-esteem, but nonetheless), but then you critque our national actions of self-defense based upon some "moral" standard.

I am (unfortunately) fully aware of all national and international laws and standards. To which specific moral standard or code do you refer or upon which you base your comparison?

Obama, The Antithisis Of Magnanimity
a offers, "Exceptionalism does not come from the application of strength, it comes from avoiding the temptation of using it unjustly or immorally."

And, this Administration fails at every level. Obama, for political gain, has called out private citizens for ridicule over their paychecks. Obama, for political gain, has distanced himself from America and appologized to other countries as if he had nothing to do with us. Obama, for political gain, has exposed America's technique of tricking captives with fear, not torture, to gain information.

The man is despicable in his arrogance and self aggrandizement over America.

Obama, according to your definition, is the antithisis of American Exceptionalism. And, I agree. So far, he has only used his office for personal gain and vengence. Scary!

When Obama was elected, America was out of its mind!

Grow up
We have a bunch of bleeding heart little girls in this country who are selectively outraged. They don't bat an eye at the brutal tearing apart of a human being in the womb, but bemoan our making a murderous terrorist think he's going to die.

What is wrong with you liberals? I've got news for you:

Those who hate American don't hate us for what we do to our detainees. They hate us because we stand for democracy. Period.

A in TX
You people keep referring to this rough treatment as torture. We don't torture our own troops and they often undergo much harsher treatment than this in training. In the early 1960s we certainly did in the Marines. Real torture is having your eyes cut out of your face or your arm boiled. You are confusing this treatment with the mistreatment of POWs. But these people are not POWs. They don't deserve to be treated as such. If they would obey the rules of civilized warfare they would be treated accordingly.

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 of which we are a signatory covers this. The Muslims are engaging in partisan warfare which is "outlawed" under the conventions in an effort to protect innocent civilians. Combatants who do not wear identifiable uniforms, who do hide among civilians, who conduct themselves in such ways as to deliberately endanger civilians are subject to summary execution. Our failure to carry out such executions has been a foolish policy and has undoubtedly emboldened the enemy resulting in increased civilian casualties. But it could hardly be said to constitute torture.

Lastly it can hardly endanger our own troops if captured. We already know what happens to them. THEY ARE MURDERED. Sometimes quickly. Sometimes by having pieces of their body cut of until they bled to death. We know this from the bodies recovered.

!00 Days II
We must take our country back and not just by donating money to causes that squander it and that may not truly represent their purported and often conflicted goals but by everyday citizens being involved and shaking things up. Taking money out of politics is one big first step. Term limits for elected office and pay-for-performance is a must. Also the benefits attached to any office should be on par with main-street and not politicians voting their own long list of privileged and elitist benefits on the taxpayers’ dime. This will get their attention. Vote the bums out and demand reform as above!

With abortion clinics on every block and now euthanasia being advocated for the old and the sick we have perfect bookends for the totalitarian state of fiction and communist regimes like Stalin's and Mao Tse-Tung’s; Oh, I almost forgot, we are currently being oppressed by a communist want-to-be government.

About this for a precedent: A Kenyan born stealth muslim in the White House!?! Where's the once again derelict, useless Supreme Court in this matter that was brought to their attention well before the election and squelched by the MSM? The Constitution is being mangled and the SC do-nothings are giving this impostor a pass?!? We are a nation in serious trouble.
NICE ONE AMERICA!

Mac Moore: Obama The Antithesis of Bush
Mac, I'm so very sorry that you are sore loser full of hate, but that is typical of right wing bullies when they lose.

Yours is the minority viewpoint on Prez Obama
and the dem led congress. they are in the positions of leadership they are in because of the abject failure of the last eight years of the inept, inane and incompetent governance both domestic and in foreign policy of former
prez George W. Bush (R) and the former repub led congress.

The repub/con were issued to stinging overwhelming defeats in a row in which the majority of american voters rejected their
narrowminded viewpoint and turned leadership of the country over to the democrats.

Prez Obama and the dem led congress are not destroying america as repubs/cons are wont to say. They have a case of amnesia about what happened over the last 8 years under former prez bush and the repub led congress who did just that brought america to it's knees and
left the country in the absolute mess it is in today.

Prez Obama and the dem led congress are off to a great start in dismantling the failed legacy and tenets of Reaganism and that of the Bush's 1 & 2 and putting the country back on the right track . that is the MAJORITY viewpoint, that they will be most successful in doing so why repubs/cons pray for failure because its the only way for them to regain power because it's been proven the dont know how to govern when they do have the power.

100 Days
"The writer of Ecclesiastes noted that there is 'nothing new under the sun'."
All facets of the human drama of strengths and weaknesses have played itself out countless times in history and the lessons are the same: No solid set of values, code of ethics, and moral standards? You degenerate to pathetic, ignoble state that's actually lower than an animal (due to conscience).
John Stuart Mill: "Better being Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied!"

The leftist/liberal/subhuman mind is a pathetic and dangerous thing. Every argument based on common sense, nature's edicts, long and frequent historical examples, as well as the founding principles of this Nation is turned on its head. An appropriate, controlled, and necessary response to protect innocent lives from unspeakable acts is considered worse than the terrorist acts themselves. Killing nascent life in the womb is OK but don’t execute serial murders. Their answer to a tanking economy brought on by malfeasance is to bailout the miscreants. Granting citizenship to rabble that broke dozens of our laws, many of them felonies, and who are here not to integrate but to suck the life’s blood from the Nation versus securing the borders, no amnesty, and direct the want-to-be citizens through the legal immigration process with careful screening and quota procedures. Law abiding citizens should not have guns but never mind that the crooks all have them and use them indiscriminately. This is a recipe for our collective, rapid demise; self annihilation.

Grisly and awful!?
I wonder how Judith Miller feels about the "grisly and awful" reality of partial-birth abortion?? That, to me, is the definition of true torture!! And THAT is something Obama wants to protect. It truly does feel like we're living in the Twilight Zone--everything that's right is now wrong, and everything that is wrong is now right.

Read The Article
Left Angle offers, "Prez Obama and the dem led congress are off to a great start in dismantling the failed legacy and tenets of Reaganism and that of the Bush's 1 & 2 and putting the country back on the right track"

What on earth are you going on about?

Read the article.

Left Angle
you are so stupid repeating the talking points of all liberals that i find you highly offensive in your ignorance

Left Angle, #68
Correction. Obama was not elected by a majority of American voters but by a majority of people (not necessarily all Americans) who voted (including those who voted several times). It would be interesting to have a do-over tomorrow (without giving ACORN time to raise the dead and bribe the unwashed) and see if it would come out the same way. Personally, I would prefer to wait until we found out if Obama is truly qualified, but who knows how much he would pay his lawyers to prolong that fight? So, let's try it again, as quickly as possible, which may be 2010.

lithium dangle permanent victim
any minority opinion comes from black losers like you.

You epitomize the black mentality that we are always victims. Your childish rants that flap wears won and can run the country the way he wants is particularly immature.

Then you associate flap ears presidency with mafia gangsters in you assessment that flap ears keeps his friends close and his enemies closer.

And you tell us that blacks are willing to give flap ears the benefit of the doubt. History proves that when given the chance blacks in huge numbers will also vote race before any other factor. And despite despite incompetent black politicians, blacks continue to re elect them as kwame the crook in detroit proved, along with maxine, bag lady waters and cynthia crazy eyes mckinney prove.

But you point out the real truth about blacks and politicians. Race is all that matters and there is no way blacks will ever turn their backs on their messiah.

You have assured us that blacks fully support the hatred taught by that clown rev wright and why would losers like you ever turn their votes or support away from wright's trained monkey and sock puppet of the money people like george soros who know flap ears can be led around by the nose doing everything his white masters tell him to do

To Fellow Conservatives
I struggle with making sense of the contrarian position on this issue. At first, I wrote it off to the MSM effort to re-live its glory days of the 60’ & 70’s. But, those with whom I debated (that were of a clear mind) had strong held convictions were more personal than the superficial MSM bleating or BDS. Yet, under examination, not one could clearly articulate why the interrogation practices were “wrong”. The final answer, as it was with “a”, is that “It’s “immoral!” or, stated without the pompous cloak, “It offends me!”
So, why does it offend them? They aren’t doing it; they didn’t order it; and they are getting the benefit of it (in terms of enhanced national security). So what’s the issue? I think the answer is that it offends them because they measure the conduct based upon an entirely different standard than do we.
Start from the position that contrarians view terrorism as a crime and its perpetrators as criminals. Remember too that they have, for the last fifty years, promoted a “criminal rights” agenda. Their standard of “morality” is the treatment accorded US citizens by US law enforcement. Using this standard, waterboarding is “immoral”.
Of course, they dare not say this because their reasoning is non-sensical, and their self-esteem is rooted in superior intellect. So, instead of reasoned debate we get show-trials.

I agree with the left...
Mike, everyone...
For once I agree with the left's wail that "We don't torture!" From all the evidence, including the recently released memos, we really DO NOT TORTURE. We use interrogation techniques that, while causing discomfort of varying degrees and creating a psychological disposition toward more rather than less talkativeness, we don't torture...no blood, no missing or removed body parts, nothing permanent.
I went through SERE (Survival, Evasion, Rsistance, Escape) training many years ago and while the waterboarding WAS terribly uncomfortable, it was NOT torturous. Knowing those sensations came eerily back a couple of years back when on a dive to 100 feet my regulator malfunctioned and I suddenly got no air. Being trained how to handle this I simply reached for my "octopus" (spare regulator), cleared it, and continued on my merry way. As many years before, it was an uncomfortable sensation, but by no means torture...no maiming, no missing body parts, no permanent damage.
Thanks to "the one" naive fool in the White House, our enemies now know for certain just how to train their murderous operatives so as to resist our interrogation of them.
Thanks a lot for nothing, Mr. President!

A..do you really believe
that obama was really going to let it go and holder was the one who told him to go ahead with these investigations?
You really have drunk the kool-aid my friend.
Of course if they go fwd with these soviet style show trials, perhaps it's a good way to get rid of pelosi and her ilk.

Bottom line, Bush kept this country safe, I really don't give damn how he did it, the people involved were terrorists..now this bunch are looking to go after patriots for purely political reasons, that's a horse of a different color.

Mac Moore..thats the same thing..
I said when I read the article..

WHAT planet is this guy Gallagher on?

democrats overwhelmingly approve of the job
Prez Obama and the democratic led congress are doing..the only people whining, b**tching and moaning are the sore loser/sour grape repubs/cons and there is nothing unusual about that. lmao

Is waterboarding
the closest that Mooslim terrorists ever came to taking a bath?

If liberals learned that a terrorist knew a bomb was planted where it would kill family members, which would they do: A. Torture the terrorist and save the family members? B. Take out $l million life insurance policies on each family member? Answer B.

ruth #33: "health care for millions" OF ILLEGAL ALIENS.

My boss's brother was the man who ran out of the 9/11 building with his girl friend without their shoes.

a #48: McCain was talking from the perspective of the prisoner who was treated nicely and who gave up the information.

Mac Moore #51: 60 million mental midgets elected Obamba. 54 Million intelligent Americans didn't.

Torture is wrong
Obama is right to release these memos.

katarina
What should offend you to the idea that you government acted in ways contrary to our laws and our values by approving torture.

lithium dangle, black loser and whiner
since you are nothing moire than a parrot who voices the talking points from move on and kos you lack the ability to discern what people really think.

But since you don't pay taxes and only live off gov't handouts why would losers like you ever question the reckless spending of you god and savior the clown from chicago posing as president.

So tell us boy, why would you ever leave the dims plantation of entitlement. You are that stupid and that lazy you will never grow to be a man accepting the responsibilities for your own failed life.

Speaking of Pelosi...
Recall, please, that it was Pelosi who went on Meet the Depressed a while back and purposefully misstated Catholic doctrine on life and abortion. Several US Bishops publicly corrected her but she maintained her position that she had "studied this" for years...and, of course, did not heed their teaching, still claiming to be Catholic.
Even more recently Pelosi had an audience with Pope Bendict and he, too, admonished her on her mistaken ideas. Did she accept instruction from this infallible source on Roman Catholic doctrine? You know the answer to that question.
It'll be interesting, when ALL the papers are released...not just the redacted, self-serving-Obama version we now have...to see how the mainscream media handle it. They'll probably characterize her lie as an "evolving" position like USA Today characterized Obama's flip-flops on the issue of investigating Bush Admin. officials the other day.
Maybe Pelosi missed the door to the CIA briefing back in '02 and ended up in the Oval Office alone with President Bush...maybe she was the first one who, as Joe Biden claims, met ALONE with the President and told him, "No one's following you." Maybe? Possibly?
Twilight Zone indeed!

oops
Sorry, I misspelled Benedict.

The Memo's Prove No Toture Used
JMO51 offers, "What should offend you to the idea that you government acted in ways contrary to our laws and our values by approving torture."

Not true!

Read the memo's. Every effort was made to inflict fear, not torture. Americans did indeed act according their morals. Our soldier's and agents acted honorably! That is exactly why Obama's publication is so despicable. He exposed Americans as only tricking their captives with fear of torture. Nothing more.

Now, thanks to the gardener president, Obama, publishig the memo's, for personal gain, America's trickery is known. Our advantage has been compromised. What an idiot!

Bush was willing to keep our trick a secret, even to his own political peril, to keep America safe. Bush put America first. Obama, on the other hand, uses his office for political gain by constantly throwing red-meat to his dumb minions, no matter the cost to America. Obama, as usual, puts Obama, first.

"a"
your opinion on this is absolutely insignificant. Since you have never been exposed to waterboarding yourself you cannot possibly give any kind of accurate evaluation on it.

I suggest you get some input from experts on this technique or have it applied to yourself, only then will your comments be worthy of being paid attention to.

Democrats Always Follow Mindlessly
Left Angle offers, "democrats overwhelmingly approve of the job Prez Obama and the democratic led congress are doing"

Of course. That is exactly Gallagher's point. Obama, the dimwit, consistently tramples on freedom and America's safety and the Left keep cheering. Bizarre.

Obama trash talks America all over the world as if it is not his country, but some foreign country under his dictatorship. Obama exposes our secret methods of tricking fear into captives without using torture, just for political gain. Obama calls out private citizens for ridicule over their paychecks, for political gain.

This man is like Peter Sellers' Gardener, albeit with a vindictive bent. The Media elected him, in spite of his racist history, 1960's hippy cliches and other nonsense. He is an idiot that keeps stepping in mud and his followers constantly pretending it didn't happen.

From my end, I won't let him go unchallenged. You can go back to worshiping.

JM051...
Posts #80 & #81 - Because.....?

I'm Staggered...
...that anyone can defend Obama, America is the greatest nation in history and anything it does to defend itself is justified, it's actions are beyond reproach (when carried out by Republicans generally), anything it does in it's own interests are in the interests of the rest of the world. Any admission of wrong doing in it's history will cause the rest of the world not to think more kindly of the US but rather will be seen as weakness and invite further attacks. america has never interfered in the affairs of other countries except when it was for their own good and any anti US sentiment that exists in the world is due purely to jealousy or inherent evil.

Mac Moore...Obama the dimwit?
dude let me get this right..

Sen.Barack H. Obama, a newcomer to the national political stage, basically comes out of nowhere,
declares to be a democratic candidate for Potus,
defeats the highly formidable/favored Clintons for the dem nomination, then defeats the long established republican statesmen Sen. John McCain to become the first black POTUS in a
landslide democratic victory with coatails for the party which adds more numbers to their majorities in both houses of congress while maintain control of the U.S. Congress. Worldwide acclaim follows...

and you call man a dimwit?...dude you need to
seriously check yourself..take a strong look in the mirror. THE ONLY DIMWIT IS YOU..LMAO

"a"
I wasn't aware that I had commented on anything but your silly comments.

Do you make these things up as you go along or is it a written script your boyfriend writes for you?

The Principal.
Pelosi thinks that she is smarter and better than the Pope.

Everytime she opens her mouth the world knows how utterly stupid she is. She makes America weaker everytime she speaks.

She is now a liar and a traitor.

Claiming that she is a Catholic is embarrassing to her children, her grandchildren, her deceased parents, everyone who is a practicing Catholic and to all the priests and Bishops in the world.

It is time for her to be publicly excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

She can take the governor of Kansas with her.

None of these people are practicing Catholics. It is time to remove the fraud.

Wayne

"a" has no answer. He'd just sit on his high horse, making sure those animals got their three squares, a qu'ran, a clean prayer rug and a tax-funded lawyer.

Then when the nuke leveled Boston or Cleveland, he'd be the first to blame Bush.

Pelosi is Stupid?
first POTUS Obama is a dimwit..now Speaker of the House of Representatives Pelosi is stupid..?

obam is the most powerful man in the u.s. government...pelosi is the third in line of succession

obama is the first black person elected to the potus

pelosi is the first female speaker of the house of rerpresentatives in the u.s. congress

and by repub/cons standards these people are not intelligent?

I think that in and of itself says a lot about
the mindset of republicans. lmao

Liberal Hypocrisy

The thing that baffles me the most about neoliberals like "a" and Pilosi, et al, is their blatent hypocrisy and inconsistency.

On the one hand, they'll scream, whine, threaten and spew the harshest vitriol to keep terrorists from having to endure the slightest bit of discomfort or discomfit.

On the other hand they'll scream, whine, threaten and spew the harshest vitriol to retain their "right" to literally rip an innocent child apart in the womb.

Go figure.

Truly Frightening
Wow...reading some of the posts on here is quite the eye opener.

It is very difficult for me to even begin to comprehend how someone would get wrapped around the axle about waterboarding. Come on, let's be real. So we took 3 terrorists, made them "think" they were drowning, and that is considered torture? That is truly amazing. Of course, this logic is coming from the types of folks who considered the Abu Graib (sp?) prisoners were tortured because they had panties put on their head and photographed with their other prison buddies naked. Additionally, they had hoods put over their head and were made to think they were going to be electrocuted. Oh the horror!

I think all of these bleeding hearts haven't a clue about what truly constitutes torture.

By the way, "a" never did provide an answer to the school bus question. I'd be curious to see what he/she would do in the proposed situation.

Diane @ 8:09 a.m. EST.
"I can only imagine what Soros has planned for the next 100 days".

Trust me on this Diane. It's bad and it involves us. Conservatives!

Right now, as we speak, he's running an all out war on the former administration.

Just like the left-wing nut jobs at TOWNHALL, Soros has a deep, demented hate for President Bush. The fact that President Bush is no longer in office means nothing! For these fools hatred of the Bush administration is holy.

Here's what Sicko Soros and the left-wing nut jobs believe:

President Bush and his administration were evil. Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, they think is just fine and dandy.

President Bush and his administration were evil. Muslim terrorist killers, however, are charming folks. Just ask Soros and the left. They'll tell you.

President Bush and his administration were evil. The madmen leading Iran and North Korea, however, are just lovely people. Anyone who hates America is always A-OK with the left.

Now, here's the real kicker. Soros & Co. hate conservatives even more than President Bush! You're right, Diane. It makes you wonder what the Soros/Obama/Pelosi cabal have in store for us.




left angle...
"obama is the first black person elected to potus"
"pelosi is the first female speaker of the house of representatives in the u.s. congress"
...were you as thrilled when George W. Bush selected Gen'l. Colin Powell the first black Secretary of State?
...were you as thrilled when George W. Bush selected Dr. Condoleeza Rice the first black female Secretary of State?
...or are these singular (and REAL) firsts unimportant to you because they didn't involve Democrats?
George W. Bush was the first President since the 19th century to endure and respond to an attack on American soil...and he did it by cutting taxes to spur a faltering, post-9/11 economy (remember that trillion dollar hit?), taking the fight to our enemies on THEIR soil (WITH Congress' approval...approval that STILL has not been rescinded, despite all the Dem bluster), loosing the Clinton shackles on the intelligence community (remember Jamie Gorelick's "wall of separation" between the FBI and the CIA?), and using the intelligence gathered to KEEP AMERICANS FREE FROM FURTHER ATTACK (who thought that was possible on 9/11?) for nearly eight years...all, I might add, while under the most scurrilous and vicious personal attacks by THE LEFT in this country.
I guess none of that impresses you either, eh?
Please, stop using the juvenile "lmao" and find teh SHIFT key so you can utilize proper capitalization...where did you attend school?

lithium dangle, black loser and whiner
exactly how does this welfare loser discern anything.

You have no understanding of what brought about the rise of flap ear and interpret the results to boast it is based on his supposed brilliance.

Had the msm simply looked at the fool and asked questions as to what he believe in and how his associations with haters and terrorists shaped his thinking there is no guarantee he could have ever advanced in politics.

But it is more closely explained as he just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

After unrelenting attacks by the msm and the dims on bush combined with leftist indoctrination of fools like you that society needed to prove it was no longer racist flap ears got elevated to the standard carrier of the dims.

That the repubs suffered from poor leadership by bush and an equally unattractive candidate like mccain, flap ears had very little competition to win.

During the campaign flap ears made some 70 pages of promised spending to assist the losers who are always demanding more from from the gov 't. The promises totaled some $3.5 trillion so that every group could see a reason to vote for this clueless clown

And now fools like you think it was this supposed brilliance of flap ears. But the truth remains we know next to nothing about this clown. There is no record of his collegiate grades and other than his own admission he was an affirmative action enrollee we know he didn't get in through academic achievement


But he won and the country will continue to lose until his reckless spending is stopped. Till then trolls like you will cheer him on not understanding the effects of the spending which leads to massive gov't borrowing and running the printing presses at the treasury.

For those of us who actually work we are looking at huge tax increases combined with hyper inflation to pay for the socialist nirvana that flap ears wants to deliver to losers like you

Principal..the difference is..
I NEVER called ANY of the people you mentioned
a "dimwit" or "stupid"

because only a very ignorant person would do so as witnessed by the right wingers below who did so about pelosi and obama.

LMAO

LA: YUP, Pelosi is stupid and a LIAR!

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
"In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/1 2/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; A01

"In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

"Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

"'The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,' said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

"In September 2006, the CIA for the first time briefed all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, producing some heated exchanges with CIA officials, including Director Michael V. Hayden. The CIA director said during a television interview two months ago that he had informed congressional overseers of 'all aspects of the detention and interrogation program.'"

PELOSI IS A LIAR!!!

lithium dangle, black loser and whiner
exactly how does this welfare loser discern anything.

You have no understanding of what brought about the rise of flap ear and interpret the results to boast it is based on his supposed brilliance.

Had the msm simply looked at the fool and asked questions as to what he believe in and how his associations with haters and terrorists shaped his thinking there is no guarantee he could have ever advanced in politics.

But it is more closely explained as he just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

After unrelenting attacks by the msm and the dims on bush combined with leftist indoctrination of fools like you that society needed to prove it was no longer racist flap ears got elevated to the standard carrier of the dims.

That the repubs suffered from poor leadership by bush and an equally unattractive candidate like mccain, flap ears had very little competition to win.

During the campaign flap ears made some 70 pages of promised spending to assist the losers who are always demanding more from from the gov 't. The promises totaled some $3.5 trillion so that every group could see a reason to vote for this clueless clown

And now fools like you think it was this supposed brilliance of flap ears. But the truth remains we know next to nothing about this clown. There is no record of his collegiate grades and other than his own admission he was an affirmative action enrollee we know he didn't get in through academic achievement


But he won and the country will continue to lose until his reckless spending is stopped. Till then trolls like you will cheer him on not understanding the effects of the spending which leads to massive gov't borrowing and running the printing presses at the treasury.

For those of us who actually work we are looking at huge tax increases combined with hyper inflation to pay for the socialist nirvana that flap ears wants to deliver to losers like you

Intelligence...
Left Angle:

You make the statement that some of our current political leaders (i.e. Pelosi and Obama)are intelligent...Sure, Pelosi and Obama might be intelligent, however, one needs to realize that just because someone is intelligent, does not mean they are smart. Just because someone is intelligent, does not mean they have common sense, either. We have a lot of intelligent people in Washington, but unfortunately they are a pretty dense bunch.


furthermore...
I have really nothing to bad to say about former prez bush accept, i disgreed with his conservative politics and i just thought he was a decent guy in a job that was obviously to big for him and he mad a lot of bad decisions that made things a lot worse than the did better. this was proven by his woefully low job approval ratings when he left office and the fact that we have dem prez and a dem congress.

luv2 go flying so youre saying
you dont think pelosi and obama a smart people nor do they have common sense and that they are both dense?

lithium dangle
since you only post ignorance and talking points from your masters from move on and kos you are just another fool to make fun of.

But occasionally you slip and post an inkling of truth.

This week you claimed that a large majority of blacks look with admiration at the rev hatred wright from chicago and that blacks fully believe wright's contention that whites are essentially racist and that whites are the reason for black failure

Other than that you continue to post the childish nonsense that flap ears won and the repubs lost and that gives flap ears the right to run the country as he sees fit and spend whatever money he wants to push socialism.

And then you equate the gangster mentality of the godfather with flap ears and state he is keeping his friends close and his enemies closer.

But keep up the childish nonsense. You will continue to post you nonsense and your undying love for the fraud in the white house and we will continue to make you the butt of our jokes. You remain a bastion of ignorance

anne: calling perlosi stupid
is an incredible exercise in ignorance.

even you are smarter than that. lol

Reply to Left Angle question #105
Yep, that's exactly what I am saying.

first 100 days
The tea parties were great, and they need to be followed by turning off the stations that can't report the news without propaganda, cancelling subscriptions to newspaper that editorialize on the front page, and stop buying the products of their sponsors. I ask myslef every day, where are the voices of leadership who share a conservative view? Where is the voice of reason and opposition? We have no true leaders on either side of the aisle. That's why we all feel adrift. Somone with guts and logical thought better step forward soon.

luv2 to go flying/ real dunderhead
thats cool and thats your opinion..its definitely a minority opinion and also a very ignorant thing to say but then youre a republican...they were smart enough to figure out how to engineer taking control of the federal government and make the gop the minority.. lmao

real dunderhead:

THE TRUTH HURTS..LMAO

Left Angle: YES, STUPID!!!

Now, exactly HOW STUPID and out of touch does one have to be to NOT KNOW that whatever you've said, and whatever you'd done, there is not only a record, but a public record... especially if you're a politician!

This women, Pelosi, has ... IMO ... is losing her mind...

NO COMMENT ABOUT HER LIE! LOL

LA, you're such a fool!


Post #110
Left:

Who said I was Republican? You jump to conclusions too quickly. Believe it or not, just because one isn't a fan of the Obama crowd does not make him/her a Republican.

So, by your standards, just by virtue they got elected into office - that means they are smart? I guess you must think Bush was highly intelligent since he got voted in twice...

I am so impressed by how you resort to name calling so quickly. That seems to be a common response by liberals when they cannot come up with facts to support their positions.

Luv2goFlying: Obozo is actually more

DEVIOUS than bright!

jane
other than the trolls who actually listens to or reads the gibberish spooned out by the msm.

My experience from the phoenix tea party was that the people who attended were not only up to date on the issues but had a deep concern about the reckless spending being foisted on the country by flap ears and the dims.

It seemed that this movement shows that the dc pols have finally gone too far in the disregard and disdain for the voters and the taxpayers.

Perhaps finally the voters will awake from their lethargy and vote out the bums and thieves who think the treasury is their personal piggy bank.

Of course the msm and the trolls will continue to attack the tea parties. They are so wrapped up in the cult of personality surrounding the messiah they can't visualize there are growing numbers of citizens who know the country is embarked on a dangerous journey and that increased socialism is not what the country wants


IQ29 is a LIAR! F Minus for the twit!
.

It seems to me...
the O administration is trying to divert attention from the miserable way they've conducted business by putting the attention on the past administration.

This whole uproar over 'torture' and 'waterboarding' is pure BS. Al Quaida thinks nothing of bombing innocent people, videoing themselves cutting off the heads of innocent people, hanging the bodies of soldiers off bridges, etc. I hope the 9/11 survivors and every citizen who has lost someone dear to them in these wars will rise up in protest!

What's next? We give terrorists (yes, that's the word!) a soft bed and a good meal before sending them out to commit more violence???

What a crock!

The Left
looks silly once again. What's actually really hilarious is that 7 days after Obama bowed to the King of Saudia Arabai, the King banned license plates in his country that read the letters "USA" in consecutive order, amongst other things. LOL - yea, going around apologizing to these people is really going to do alot. What liberals cease to understand is that these guys have an inbred hatred for the west. Nothing is ever going to change their mind. EVER

Winning Elections Is Not Proof Of Smarts
Left Angle, offers, "Sen.Barack H. Obama, a newcomer to the national political stage, basically comes out of nowhere, declares to be a democratic candidate for Potus, defeats the highly formidable/favored Clintons for the dem nomination,"

First off, Obama got elected in spite of his stupidity. The MSM gave him cover on the racist Reverend Wright, whom he agrees with to the point of calling him is mentor and minister; gave him cover on his grades which no one has seen; gave him cover on turning every criticism into a race issue; gave him cover on his re-distribution of wealth nonsense; gave him cover on his close association with William Ayers, an American hater; and so on.

The only reason this guy got elected was on false promises, and MSM cover of not being any of the above and being a uniter. None of which is true, but when all the Liberal rags put him on the front covers and paint him to be something that he is not, the casual observer gets lost in the smoke screen.

Obama, just like the character that Peter Sellers played as a dimwitted gardner, continues to say the dumbest things, yet the press keeps ignoring it or dismissing it. As he signed the biggest porker ever, he says "no more"! Just like in that movie, his cliches and stupid talk is always fawned all over by his minions.

You just keep thinking he is smart. I think he is dimwitted leader. As I see it, more people, every day, are starting to see it that, too.

Matt: Thurs, Iraq suffered worst death

toll on a single day since the start of U.S. engagement there.


http://townhall.com/columnists/JillianBandes/2009/04/24/oba mas_iraq_policy_and_a_surge_of_violence

"On Thursday, Iraq suffered its worst death toll on a single day since the start of U.S. engagement there; 80 people perished after the supposed capture of Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, al-Qaeda in Iraq’s leader and one of Iraq’s most wanted men. On Friday, there was another attack almost as deadly; 60 people died and 125 were injured when two suicide bombers attacked a Shia mosque in Baghdad."


What a smash hit Obozo's been! Those intellectually limited liberals must be so proud!


Left angle...
Bush's approval ratings were pretty much the same as Obama's at the same point in his first term, having dropped fairly rapidly from his high on Inauguration Day. Let's see how he fares at the end of his administration before you crow about Bush's numbers at the end of eight years of mainscream media and Democrat party bashing. The fact remains, he and his administration kept this nation's people free from attack in spite of faithless Democrats and constant attempts by our enemies...that, at least IS the Executive Branch's job.
Obama is floundering, as many of us knew he would. He still reminds me of the dog who keeps chasing cars...and then doesn't really know what to do once he catches-up with one. Obama is an ideologue with absolutely no experience at actually DOING anything remotely as complex as the Presidency. He's like a blind man feeling his way in the dark, but one with a fierce enough ego to refuse the directions of a sighted friend...he'll keep banging his nose into the walls without making mush progress.
Couple that with his fawning obeisance to foreign potentates and dictators and we are looking at one helluva ride for this formerly great and powerful nation. It's no secret what made us the lone world's super-power in less than 250 years, and Obama is IDEOLOGICALLY OPPOSED to most of those very qualities.
Being essentially clueless is just one dangerous part of the mix.
p.s., you've been LMAO-ing so much you must not have anything left to sit down upon. Try to engage in civil and dignified discourse. Lord knows the English language has suffered enough insult the past few decades. Must it now be reduced to a mere set of initials and acronyms?

democrats ... the dog that didn't bark!
True to democrat style, or the lack of style, they bark when the pack grows to 1000 little dogs. But, when they must make hard decisions and take a stand on national security, democrats are like the dog that didn't bark ... except for upholding the constitutional rights of terrorist that have murdered and plan to murder innocent Americans. democrats in packs of hundred little dogs, will bark at anyone who protected the rights of innocent Americans to enjoy, life, liberty and the pursuit of their happiness ... that terrorist want to take from them.

To democrats, Bush and anyone from his administration who protected the rights of innocent Americans, in the pursuit of their constitutional rights, which Bush was sworn to protect and defend, must be prosecuted and / or driven from public office or the judicial bench.

To achieve this end, punish those from the Bush years that seriously sought to protect and defend innocent American lives, as their official office and oath mandated for them to do, democrats suddenly find their voice and soon are the only dogs barking!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Blaze

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/08/the_dog_that_didnt_b ark.html

BREAKING NEWS: GOP WOES CONTINUE
Democrat Scott Murphy was declared the winner in the special election held in the New York 20th Congressional District for the seat of Senator Gillibrand, defeating GOP challenger Jim Tedesco.
So much for the great "grass roots" tea party fueled uprising against political change that has cascaded across the pages of hard right media since the morning after the inauguration.

The 20th New York Congressional district is predominately white and rural and encapsulates the sole combination of demographic factors wherein, which the GOP made any gains in the 2008 election. On top of this, the GOP had a 70,000-registered voter advantage in the 20th and the Republican candidate ran as an opponent of the Obama Stimulus. The Republican candidate also had a 20% lead in the polls three weeks before the election.

Waterboarding outcry vs ?
3 people? Thank you for that info. Do you know how many woman have died from safe,. legal abortions? Or how many have been rendered unable to have another child from the complications of them? If you can get a copy of P.Parenthoods contract the have women sign before they can get an abortion, read the info on the back. It gives you %'s of the women who have the various complications listed. The use the term "only 1, 2, 5, etc percent" have a particular one. Figure it out. I am not sure of the current amount of abortions done now but, I read it is at it's highest. Even 1% of that amount is hundreds of women! Each year. Now why are these sickening people not concerned about this but, upset over 3 of our worst enemies having water poured up their noses? Are this charming fellas dead,or ill even? I have no doubt that the great pretender and his evil minions will do horrible things to anyone who continues to oppose his polices and expose the truth, if he isn't stopped.

When
When the American people finally wake up to what the left is planning for America, there is going to be an explosion. Obama is an outright socialist with leanings toward communism. He sees himself as the leader of the "oppressed masses." The "oppressed masses" see him as their messiah. If we don't elect a congress in 2010 in opposition to Obama and his left wing cronies, I foresee a move to get the 22nd amendment that limits the president to two terms repealed. Don't think for one minute that Obama doesn't want to be president for life.

Gonna get worse, folks
Think the first 100 days were bad?
You must be a right-wing extremist.
DHS and Janet RENOpalitano are watching you.

Someone call in the Civillian National Defense Force (CNDF - has a nice Reichish ring to it eh?) in to round up all these trogoldytes!

We're from the government, and we're here to help (ourselves to your freedom).

torturing terrorist?
How can you stand for abortion, esp., late term abortion and act as if waterboarding is a monsterous thing?
I love tea parties, I love America, and I am thankful for those that have fought and shed blood to give us the freedoms that this administration is trying to take away. It is hard to imagine that Obama has taken us down so quickly. People, wake up..I understand the libeal socialist that wants him to take us apart. I am praying the rest will wake up and actually care enough to see the truth behind the smoke screen.
I have never been called a right wing extremist before. I am just a christian house wife that wants our country back.

Robert in mich
calm yourself over the repeal of the constitution.

I am totally opposed to the fool in the white house, but the supreme court while it moves in strange ways in determining law would balk at over turning an amendment the country put into that document.

There are very few amendments and while the dims under pelousy and land deal reid lust for political power, I doubt they are stupid enough to try and change the constitution for flap ears.

But the more the dims and flap ears move towards socialism the sooner the country will vote them oput of office.

For now the dims are betting everything that flap ears and his never ending deficits will fix the economy and they can stay in power.

But when the miracles don't occur, when housing values don't return, when the unemployment stays high, when retirement accounts don't recover, the dims will pay at the ballot box for their failures.

This out of control deficit spending will not work and the coming of huge tax increases and hyper inflation will show the folly of flap ears and the dims and how they tried to destroy capitalism

Tough times ahead.....
As the Administration and Congress scramble to push through their Statist agenda.... from sneaking in nationalized healthcare to Rockefeller's twin Senate bills to exert control of the Internet... people are waking up. Just as they did not want TARP, bailouts, or budget actually read, much less debated, they're continuing to push more than we the people can wrap our minds around, as fast as possible. Pay attention, folks! Diversions are being created, so larger insidious initiatives will not be noticed. It IS scary!

Of course, the staggering spending will not alleviate the fundamental problems. The agenda is to keep the crisis going, so more centralized control can be cemented. It
WILL fall apart. I hope it does, before the USD inevitably collapses. Our wealth has already been squandered... the piggy bank is already empty! The debt will never be paid. The government is monitizing it. Those SS dollars we'll be receiving will be worth squat! Healthcare will be severely rationed! Our cost of living will soar, as our standard of living craters.

It is up to responsible, productive, American citizens to speak up, turn out, VOTE, and wrest power from the thieves, crooks, and scammers.... roll back the discredited policies... rebuild, renew, and for the love of the Almighty, PAY ATTENTION! READ THE CONSTITUTION! RECOGNIZE PROPAGANDA (POLITICAL AND MEDIA) WHEN YOU HEAR IT! The future of our children and grandchildren depend on it!

ITS THE PERFECT STORM
GEORGE CLOONY IS HIS MENTOR,KING ABDULA GOT A BOW AND HIS HAND KISSED,ITS MUCH WORSE THAN THE TWILIGHT ZONE,ITS SCARY.OUR ONLY HOPE IS TO GET OF THE TITANIC AND INTO THE SONSHIP,WE ALL NEED TO PRAY FOR THE USA.

Spoiled nation ...
We have completely thrown away the memory of 9/11 and have forgotten the beheadings and have developed the typical moronic view that by beating ourselves up mercilessly for every perceived wrong we do the world will notice and love us. Its a joke! Jimmy Carter (who was much less charasmatic and had more of a mother hen feeling about him) learned the hard way and never really got the message. This guy (the Messiah) is devoid of reason when it comes to this stuff. He is about himself and his legacy. He is Clinton with his zipper up and more ideological and downright treacherous about getting the Bush administration to pay for the perceieved wrongs it committed. Torture is the most overblown word in the country now. Like Abu Grahb was earlier. I mean putting a pair of panties on a guys head is equivalent to slicing a guys head off! Yea thats the ticket. These bozos would (and quite possibly will) be the first to scream for our military and our retribution should any attack occur. I think we are setting ourselves up for a huge fall (I pray not). But then again I and my miltary family are the suspected terrorists aren't we? Its an inversion of reality and reveals the cowardice and weakness of the far leftists among us. So have your fun now and go and get the evil doers of the last 8 years while the REAL evil doers laugh their as--- off behind your back. In the long run your going to be the ones shaking in fear over your idiocy.
spoiled

100 Days War
This is a war on the middle class and wealthy of which we have never seen before. The 'Czar Of Change' and his Czarina came to Washinton to fix what was wrong. THEY ARE what is wrong!

The plans for 'change' were already made for him when he came on the scene and all he had to do was sell it. And sell it ,he did!! Many still are singing his praises,even as he leads them as sheep to slaughter,they laud him!

What is wrong with these people? Are they mad? Can't they see he is making a mockery of everything we hold dear,as a country? He hates us and America,that is plain to see.

When he and the rest of the left wing gets through with their dismantling what has been in place for 200 years,our country will not even be recognizable.

Pathetic!


To Wayne ...
Through my tears, I thank you with all of my heart for your service.

To President Barack Obama,...
...liberals, and dictators, the only time evil offers is in the defense of the United States.

Any evil that takes place in the world is a response to American evil. And, President Obama sees President Bush as the great satan for protecting and defending the great satan, the US of KKKA.

America, the US of KKKA, sleep well tonight, President Obama is leading the nation to a new day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ

Liberal Trolls Run a Relay Thru Townhall
Does anyone notice how often this happens....First we had "a" from Texas, then Left Angle from Md. and then Robert 29 passing the baton from one another. Where's old man Doofass??? Are you guys "PAID" ACORN AGITATORS???

TO JMO 51
DUDE,THE EVIL TERRIORIST THAT CAUSED 911 WERE WRONG DONT WORRY ABOUT THE MEMOS,THEY WENT IN A SHREADER,PRESIDENT BUSH HELPED KEEP AMERICA SAFE.NOW WE HAVE THE BARNEY FRANK DUDES,WHAT A SHAME.

T
Many people have read the Red Cross accounts, based on private interviews with detainees. One thing was missing from every one of those accounts, though: the “torture” of not getting to carry out the plans on which some (not of course all) of the captives had set their hearts.
They had dreamed of pleasing their leaders and their God by killing many Americans and Israelis in glorious suicide/homicide missions and were terribly frustrated and depressed by the mere fact that they remained alive in US custody and would presumably remain alive for years to come. This frustration alone might qualify as "torture" if anyone wished to define it that way. It might even, in some cases, have been the worst torture they endured.

And certainly if they were slapped in the face or kept in a cold room naked or confined in a box or shackled in a chair or had water poured into their mouths and noses, these painful insults exacerbated their unhappiness. And if as a result they actually TOLD their captors things that prevented others from carrying out the homicides and tortures on which these others’ hearts had been set, surely the knowledge of their betrayal must have added IMMEASURABLY to their other tortures.
Those who do not have to deal concretely with the dangerous people in our custody may feel free to hold the US and Israel to a high and absolute standard of purity. But President Obama has actual responsibility for the safety of our citizens and must decide what compromises he will allow—and then act. His actions so far do not comfort me.


Was it a "bow" or...?
"President Obama goes to Europe and the Middle East, bowing and scraping (literally, just ask King Abdullah) and apologizing for the United States of America."

Mike, are you sure that was a bow to King Abdullah? Given Obama's preference for Islam,
I think the "bow" make have actually been an aborted "Lewinski" attempt!

Watch how fast Obama deserts Israel when they proactively take out Iran's nuclear facilities.
I believe that is what Biden meant when he said the world would quickly test Obama and it might not seem like Obama does the right thing.

BUGLE
WOULD SOMEONE BLOW TAPS

545 People Decide For You!
Here's a great article by a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. Please read and share:

http://sovereigntyalliance.ning.com/profiles/blogs/545-peop le-decide-for-you-amp

OldProf-TX
Excellent Posting!!I agree with most of what U say..However, THINK ABOUT THIS: If repeat IF so many in America are REALLY so upset at their perception of "Torture" then WE, THE PEOPLE, have a big problem.. Cowards can't and won't fight, even for what they deem to be ABSOLUTE..
I, personally, think it's all a *Smoke Screen*
The *New Kids on the Block* have got NO CLUE as to what's what's going on Internationally, nor any inkling of how to begin fixing it.."Torture" is merely a diversion..CHEERS

Obama voters will suffer too
What a shill game for dopes. This uproar about non-torture is supposed to distract from the leftists' wrecking ball policies converting the United States into another socialist backwater. It's a smoke screen, nothing else and only chumps co-operate with the red media in pumping up the smoke.

Even if you voted for Obama and the Dems for handouts, you should be able to figure out that they're killing the Golden Goose. Maybe you'll eat better for a day or two, but after that...Those people out at the Tea Parties are the ones working and paying the taxes that your handouts come from. If they get pissed or demoralized enough, there goes your handout. They'll be all right, find a way to feed their families with their own labor, but what about you who haven't managed to support yourself, merely choke on envy? You and your government can't make them your slaves. They'll walk away.

Secondly, Obama's flipping the United States onto its back internationally, baring its throat to every despot in the world. He's grovelling about water boarding to people who saw through necks with dull knives or blow up women and children in marketplaces routinely. This communication of weakness instead of strength is a threat even to American parasites. When a Muslim terrorist dirty bomb from basket case Pakistan or Iran goes off in a major American city, it's not going to spare Obama voters who tend to be concentrated in urban areas.

Obama is dangerous to every American. This means even the numnuts who voted for him and still think their ship is going to come in loaded with free goodies instead of a nuclear bomb.

O-man doesn't believe in torture!?!?
He obviously believes Hugo Chavez is an honorable man and the same for Castro, Both have tortured people in the true meaning of the Geneva Convention, so therefore he must believe in torture by simple process of elimination. Remove all lies and the truth shall shine through!

Making US safe for terrorists
Obama and the Dems have been busy as beavers making terrorism safe for terrorists. Now political mass killers all know that if they're caught, no one in America will dare look askance at them. They'll be given their hate literature Koran on request as they fatten up on better food than they've ever had and await their phalanx of tax payer funded lawyers and leftist judges letting them loose to continue killing Americans. They make an automatic complaint of "torture" for example someone touching their Koran without white gloves. Since their care, defense and spurious claims soak up millions unavailable for America's defense, their jihad depleting America's resources continues thanks to their enablers - the Left.

Hussein Obama - no wonder America's enemies were cheering his election as POTUS.


TYRANNY!
"Taxation without representation is tyranny." Colonists in 1765.

Our "representatives" (including Obama) no longer truly represent the majority of American citizens. It is a badge of slavery to be taxed by a foreign power, and our "government" is rapidly becoming that foreign power!

Our Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776 states: "...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
Sound familiar? Our "form" of government is rapidly becoming ever more destructive of our safety and happiness!

Do we remember 911? I'm sure the terrorists haven't forgotten it and I'm positive they are laughing at our "new" government. Do you feel safer with all the "changes we can believe in" that have been instituted in the last 100 days? I do not!!

We are still a great Nation and a great people but not for long. If we don't take a stand, the USA as we've known it will cease to exist.
Read our History! The founding fathers didn't wait for the next election year to take action, nor did they wait for someone else to speak on their behalf. They took to the streets and the Harbor. It's time to throw more than "tea" into the "Harbor"!!

It's time for the Second Revolution:
Instead of "Shuttin' Detroit Down" (John Rich.com) we should shut Washington DC down!!
WE OUTNUMBER THEM AND THEY KNOW IT, SO WHAT ARE WE AFRAID OF?---POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

a
You put up a good fight and you are correct. People can set up all the strawmen scenerios they want but they are still false. For example: I could make a small change to their bus full of kids fantasy... "What if your child knew the location of the bus and refused to talk? Would you torture them, or allow them to be tortured in an attempt to extract the information? Worse yet what if your child really did not know the information but everyone else believed they did?" See anyone can come up with an imaginary scenerio to support their position. It is a weak argument.

Most of the posters on this site love to point out that liberals (left-wing nuts, democrats, independants, moderate conservatives, fiscal conservatives, other right wing conservatives, anyone who does not believe in their "god" and anyone who disagrees with their opinions et al) never allow the truth or historical facts to sway their thinking. But they are no different. It is a historical FACT that following WWII many Japanese military personel were tried and convicted for torturing Allied POWs. On the list of torture techniques they were convicted of using was WATERBOARDING. But I am sure they will now claim America and the world was WRONG to include it on the list. Or "times have changed". Really? So you are ok with allowing the attacks on 9-11-01 to fundementally change what America (and to a greater extent being American) stands for? Why do you want the terrorist to win? Because that is exactly what they wanted.

Waterboarding
I believe the US Government should not listen to those crazy human rights activists [there is a limit to everything]. Any sane person whould not call waterboarding a torture [it does not cause physical pain]. Infact they should put the terrorists in one of those Iron Maiden of Nuremberg, so the they actually know how much pain they have caused to people all over the world. I don't think anyone should even try to protect these terrorists. I feel they should be given capital punishment following their law [stoning them to death]. It just astonishes me to see people actually supporting the rights of these terrorists....I really don't know what they are thinking...

slime too eager
After almost every war the survivors kick out the nasty people that won it for them. That "highway of death" picture didn't help Bush 41 any. Winston Churchill was IMMEDIATELY fired after WWII. There are plenty of examples. The mistake they are making here is, nice and safe and warm, they think this war is over. Guess again.

The FUNNIEST Read on Torture...
This guy gets it...http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-wants-to-be-loved.html
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