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Wednesday, May 06, 2009
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Liberty and Tyranny
by Mike Adams
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For the past few years, I’ve been arguing that those who like to be called “liberals” should instead be called statists. You know these people. They are the ones who, full of righteous indignation, speak incessantly of injustice and oppression in America. They also speak, in sentences full of smug self-assurance, as if they and only they possess the empathy and intellectual fortitude necessary to provide “solutions” to a host of social “problems” thrust upon a good people by a bad “society.”

Edmund Burke was talking about these statists when he said “by (their) unprincipled facility of changing the state as often, and as much, and in as many ways, as there are floating fancies or fashions, the whole chain and continuity of the commonwealth would be broken. Men would become little better than the flies of summer.”

The American conservative today finds himself in a position of fighting a form of progressivism, which seems to have taken on a life of its own. When confronted with the myriad of changes occurring with such rapidity it is hard to see the common thread linking them all together. But if there is one theme, it is this: Equality.

Mark Levin is correct in saying that this passion for equality is driven by the statist’s deep sense of inferiority. For the passion for equality is, at its core, a passion for anonymity. When the fabric of society is woven together in such a way that one thread cannot be distinguished from another, no judgment is possible. That is why the economic Marxist prefers a guaranteed average outcome. And it is why the cultural Marxist is receptive to the religion of moral relativism.

The statist may well say that he rejects traditional religion because it provides an opiate to the masses. But there is more to his opposition to religion than his fear of a disincentive to revolt against ruling classes. He also fears that religion leads to judgment and intolerance – the kind that reminds him of his inferiority.

Not wanting to be judged, the statist rejects the notion that man is endowed by a Creator with certain unalienable rights. No longer convinced of the permanence of any rights, the statist gives birth to the idea that a constitution – like a right – can be “living” and “breathing” and ever evolving.

And this gives rise to a serious question: If rights are not bestowed by a Creator, then under what conditions do they exist? In other words, who bestows them?

The answer for the statist is, of course, the statist. The answer grants a license to lawless activism that is arbitrary and subject to rationing by the statist himself. It is the kind of lawless activism of which Justice Marshall boasted when he proclaimed “You do what you think is right and let the law catch up.” It is a different way of saying “I don’t care what the Framers intended. I care only about what I intend.”

President Franklin Roosevelt was among those who believed that the rights our Framers intended to preserve in a Bill of Rights were not enough. Thus, he proposed a Second Bill of Rights, which included the following:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation; The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; The right of every family to a decent home; The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; The right to a good education.

These are, of course, not rights in any sense of the word. This is a promise of Utopia from a Statist president seeking to justify unlimited intrusion upon the right to own property. It is a false promise from a president who fails to understand what separates man from the lower animals.

There is little question that a guaranteed outcome undercuts man’s ability to overcome his weaknesses. The statist fails to realize that by confiscating a man’s property – in service to equality of outcome – he confiscates his incentive to improve his own life by building his own home, growing his own food, and making his own clothes. When the statist confiscates property he also confiscates a man’s ability to improve his life.

The Great Depression made possible the tenure of one statist president whose “solutions” greatly exacerbated our economic woes. Today, we face a similar situation. That is why this discussion must continue in a future column.

Source: Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, by Mark Levin. New York: Simon and Schuster (2009).

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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AMEN
Dr Adams THANK YOU for the service you provide. I hope you keep this going for years to come!

Bravo, Dr. Mike
clear as a bell and entirely accurate, as usual. Keep hammering away. Someone might listen eventually!

Down with tyrants.

"When the people fear the government that is tyranny, but when the government fears the people that is liberty."


The last tyrant that ruled this country, George III, lost the colonies and then, lost his mind.

Down with tyrants.

Long live liberty.

Your Getting Warmer!
Nice "One-Two Punch" with the Dr. Adams- Dr. Levin combo.

"The wages of sin is death" and it(sin)also makes you stupid. The fear mongering, inferiority complexed, equality agenda driven "statist", God haters are becoming more powerful as the Christians of America become less like Jesus Christ and more like the "statist".

America began as a freedom loving, small government, republic as an outward expression of the Christ loving hearts beating in most of the members of the Continental Congress.

If the citizens of America are not willing to serve and submit to God Almighty and His Christ and thus be a self regulating society, then they will be servant to a tyrant. This can be attributed to William Penn who understood that there are only two choices in government determined by the truthful commitment of society to the true and living God.

"Unless God builds the house, they labor in vain who build it. Unless God guards the city, the watchman wakes but in vain."Psm 127.

Another Great Read on Statism
Our Enemy, the State
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Enemy-State-Albert-Nock/prod...

"Because the book is almost seventy years old, time has had a chance to pass a degree of judgment on Mr. Nock's projections. He deserves credit for being right that government programs intended to do good would seemingly invariably have harmful unintended consequences. To a degree, he was also right that our nation's general tendency would be toward more state power, but there have also been backlashes against statism that were completely outside Mr. Nock's expectations. If, in fact, we are still on the path to ruin that he feared we were on, we are, at least, progressing down that path far more slowly than he seemed to fear.'

This book is 70 years old and foretold the point of the author, and what is happening today, almost exactly.

Another good read on "statism".

Our brilliant president
Why do the Obamanites rail on about how smart their leader is? Statists believe that the people do not know what is good for them. Statists believe that only a brilliant expert, leading a corps of experts, can take the people to where the people need to be. Statists do not really believe in the intellect of the collective individual; they do, however, believe in the forced destiny of the collective individual. Individuals who resist are, by the definition of the statist, not smart enough to know what is good for them.

Levin
is brilliant I love T. Sowell, W. Williams and B. Cunningham, but Levin is special.

AG Holder: On Second Thought...

Torture prosecutions are unlikely...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124157214390990085.html

And, for those of you, who do not know, it would be extraordinarily difficult for disbarment to occur without a crime.


Release the documents that Cheney demanded be published ....

Or, could it be that the O. Ad. might know that another terrorist attack was, in fact, thwarted by the Bush Administration? After all, for an Administration that released Abu Ghraib photographs and the CIA memos for all of the world to see, including our enemies, it is impossible to believe that Obama would not have authorized the release of anything that would cause outrage-here and abroad-against Bush and his Administration.

Position of the Federal Gov't
Dr. Adams, thank you once again for another article that gets closer to the fundamental issues with our bloated political machine.

I believe the Federal Gov't was originally designed to serve the interests of the various States, not the people of those states. The theory was for a body to speak with one voice to the rest of the world, resolve disputes and differences between the states, and project the power of all of America from time to time as necessary to protect the freedom of the nation from foriegn oppression.

This current form of cradle to grave thinking, is very far from what the Framer's intended. Having lived if a few different states, I appreciate the unique pride the resident's of each espouse towards their homeland. I am a proud Missourian, and American. I have tolerance for dumb decisions made in other States in our great union. I hope my fellow Americans will tolerate the things in Missouri they may not like. But, this is not within the realm of the statist. The attempt to constantly Federalize every social issue makes us poorer as a nation. As the Empire approach of this Federal Gov't brings it nearer to destruction, Balkanization and foriegn occupation is the logical conclusion. God help us.

P.S. It was nice to get on here before the trolls showed up.

Just wondering
when Will is going to appear and somehow assert that this column is vicious attack on gay rights.

Hard Truths
Sadly, the statists may now be correct. It may be that most Americans do need to be tightly governed and controlled because they are unable to conduct themselves properly. There is much evidence of this.

Are we blind to the fact that most Americans voted for collectivism? Every poll and every election shows that Americans are giving up on individualism and self-reliance, that they want government to guarantee a minimal, but safe, existence so they can sit, play games, eat chips and drink beer, and not have to worry about life's decisions.

Jesus Christ, all you have to do is walk around in broad daylight and look at your fellow citizens. Have you ever seen such a pathetic group of mouth breathing morons, obese slobs with tattoos, and blank stares? They're scary looking!

Plus, we've imported so many of the Third World's castoffs, chromosonally predisposed to servility and living under the boot of despots and warlords.

Face it folks, we're outnumbered. We can't expect them to understand anything about our founding and the wisdom of our founders. And we waste our time expecting our ruling class not to take advantage of this and exploit the stupidity of the masses to accumulate even more power over us. We will have to find other ways than the law. It is now written and manipulated to suit our tyrants and their parasitic constituencies.

Not rights
All those 'rights' as proposed by Roosevelt are in conflict with the fundamental right to property. No individual has a right to someone else's property, and yet in order to ensure each person a home, job, health care and education, we MUST take from his neighbors. We can dress it up and call it taxation, but when it comes right down to it, it's theft.

Taxation, a Supreme Court Justice once said (paraphrasing), is the price we pay for living in this society, and he was right, but there is a vast difference in being taxed to pay for roads, defense (national and local), and other essential services that benefit everybody, and being taxed to support specific individuals who cannot or will not support themselves. Whether or not I'm my brother's keeper is a choice I should make, not one government should make for me.

This column is...
...a vicious attack on Gay rights!

Happy now,Doug?

Actually,I like columns that discuss how different citizens view the Constitution.It is the single most important reason that we have become the oldest unchanged form of government in the world.No matter how long we survive,we will constantly debate our Constitutions importance and all it's nuances.

By the end of the day,this should be longest comments section of any column.

Denise
"The last tyrant that ruled this country, George III, lost the colonies and then, lost his mind."

George III wasn't our last tyrant, and he may not be remembered as the worst of the lot. Unfortunately, those who followed lost their minds before losing power.

Americans Have Lost Their Way
JD's Handsome Son: "Jesus Christ, all you have to do is walk around in broad daylight and look at your fellow citizens. Have you ever seen such a pathetic group of mouth breathing morons, obese slobs with tattoos, and blank stares? They're scary looking!"

Agreed, and they're slaves to President Obama who promises them everything but who, ultimately, can only give them penury and disaster.

You have pinpointed one of the major problems of our society today. Many are pampered citizens who are living the good life, some of them in a decadent life style, and have forgotten their origins and the basic principle of all life on earth.

There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

In the next few years we are going to be paying the piper and it's going to hurt!

Freedom is hard!!
That's the new liberal whine. Want some cheddar with that?


-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

THIEF
You stole that from Mark R. Levin.

Great column
I'm sorta back. . . huge case at work, very busy, very grateful to be busy. This is the first column I've read on this cite in a while. I agree with Dr. Adams, great column. I plan on picking up Mark Levin's book this weekend, anyone read it? I started listening to him on the radio at 6pm in the office (late enough not to irritate the liberals and with headphones) and (chuckle) there is a reason they all call him The Great One.

Riley
Adams quotes Levin and then even goes so far as to list Levin as his source for the column.
How is that "theft"?

Dr. Adams
I have read Mr. Levins book, and he rightly points out that Liberty, and equality of out come can not coexist. Today people are trading liberty for security. But they will find that as the state takes over they have neither. Freedom is not free, it must be fought for in every genaration.
Kirk

False
You said, "The statist fails to realize that by confiscating a man’s property – in service to equality of outcome – he confiscates his incentive to improve his own life by building his own home, growing his own food, and making his own clothes."

Bosh. I don't think the statist fails to realize that at all...

Great subject
Also informative. It seems that a large number of people, and I mean LARGE numbers are like thinking as to how they see just what is happening to this country and its citizens.

This group of like thinking folks point out again and again the foul smelling stinch coming from a certain part of our nation and the people in CONTROL of our lives and all that encompass how we live.

I am in complete agreement with the observations expressed here and other venues.

How do you fix it? Do you wait for the axe to fall on your neck? Do you continue to whine at the injustice dished out by the current lords over us? Commiserate and console ourselves on how bad it is and going to be even more so?

Waiting for some distant election cycle to relieve us from tranny on our doorstep presently seems rather futile.

There surely has to be a wagon train out there that we can hook onto.

The Satisfaction of Accomplishment,
I wonder how much depression is the result of never knowing the satisfaction of actual accomplishment? How much drug dependency and alcoholism results from attempts to mask the internal emptiness of not being in charge of your own life?

Not too long ago I read that depression is nearly unknown among the world's impoverished masses who barely scratch a mere subsistence living from dawn to dusk toil. But it is found in refugee camps where people are fed and cared for -- perhaps better fed than they have ever been in their lives -- but do no work to earn their keep.

If the satisfaction of accomplishment -- of making something for your own use with your own hands, of growing food, of earning an honest living to support your family -- is taken away then what remains?

The frenetic search for distraction from the dreariness of a meaningless life which manifests in drug and alcohol abuse, random sex with random people, and risky, thrill-seeking behaviors?

The species-suicide of people who find life and the future so undesirable that they refuse to bear children?

The immersion in fantasy worlds where accomplishment by one's own efforts is possible -- even to the point of endangering one's real-life health and well-being?

You Can Be Conservative & Tattooed
Mine says "Semper Fi"

Foundation
As a retired contractor, residential and light commercial, for 48 years, I know a little about foundations.

If a foundation can move, has cracks, or in any way is unstable, the house will fall down.

America's foundation is it's Constitution and Bill of Rights. It must stay stable, no cracks, and unmovable or America will fall down.

We are on that path now, wake up before it's too late.

No- Adams is incorrect regarding this!
The Depression was in full swing under Republican capitalism. The economy did not fix itself as free trade capitalists claimed. However, FDR's measures did not repair our economy, but these laws did prevent another revolution as many were calling for full-blown communism during this time.

Our constitution
Activist judges who legislate from the bench are no better than the common criminal who legislates his own outlaw code of conduct. They both feel that they are above the law.

JD's Handsome Son
You forgot to mention the people who are too lazy to change out of their pajamas. Every time I go out of the house there is some pig walking around in her pajamas - at the store, or at the school - usually in the middle of the afternoon.

These are the same folks who were too lazy to research Obama before the election, but voted for him anyway - probably in their pajamas.

Truer words were never spoken
"There is little question that a guaranteed outcome undercuts man’s ability to overcome his weaknesses."

It certainly helps boost his self-esteem, tho, huh? Everybody wins! Nobody loses!

Sheesh.

Envy and Sloth
Very well put in this article. I would speculate that Envy and Sloth are two of the many root causes of the problems we see today. I can look at what another person has, admire their home, their car, the lifestyle their income affords them without wanting to take it from them. I may aspire to achieve the same things, but I wish to do it honestly, through my own ingenuity and hard work. Statists see what others have, are envious, and realizing they have neither the ingenuity nor the will to achieve this themselves, simply want to take it, or have someone else such as the government take it, and give it to them. Unless this changes (which I do not believe humans are capable of), the inevitable result will be mediocrity or worse for all, except those we have allowed to assume the role of rulers.

I for one will not capitulate to the forced equality they want. I will continue to fight with everything I have for the way of life I was taught to believe in, freedom, liberty, the opportunity to make of my life whatever I am willing to put the effort out for. Nothing less, nothing more.

I Am Not A Listener Of His.....But....
Savage’s Badge of Honor
by Ben Shapiro
The British government’s decision to ban Michael Savage from entering the UK based on his political viewpoint and opposition to the global domination of Islamic shariah law puts Savage in the same company as Winston Churchill, and Prime Minister Gordon Brown in the same company as Neville Chamberlain. Savage, the recipient of the Talkers Magazine 2007 Freedom of Speech Award (Al Franken is a former winner), is an ardent advocate for liberty and freedom and the leading opponent of global Islamofascism

Why do we have no memory?
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” Thomas Jefferson

...which pretty much sums up where the resolute progress of statism, encouraged by successive administrations, is wanting to take the US, no?

It just got scarier out there

I REFUSE to accept that the Government
is who will make the decision that I may NOT excel!
Take away any incentive to achieve, and you take away ALL incentive to excel.
My daddy always said that I could "do anything you want to do in this life--as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your acts". Somehow the facts that I was small, left-handed, aqnd female simply never occured to me because of that--and I excelled at everything I've ever REALLY wanted to do!
If I'd been told that I'd never be very good at anything--it"s possible that I wouldn't have been. "You are what you think about".
Hear, Hear this great man and his ideas!

Hmm
The point about liberals and statism as well as the psychology behind both, is well taken. However, the FDR analysis is wrong on several counts. What Dr. Adams claims was the “Second Bill of Rights”, was actually an expansion of the belief that man was endowed by his creator with certain inalienable rights. That is actually one of the biggest things that separate man from the lower animals. Other animals, despite some cooperative and/or family behavior, still follow “every animal for himself” or “survival of the fittest” as its primary rules.

It is true that FDR’s tenure was due greatly to the depression and that his policies lengthened its duration; but that view fails to take into account the how FDR had to counter the threat of communism that was engulfing all industrialized nation. In many respects, FDR by giving in to some socialist ideology drained the fuel from a greater socialist/communist movement that would have done much greater harm to this country. This in turn, allowed us to become the bulwark against world communism that ultimately will lead to the defeat of communism as a viable political system.

I can’t answer for what was in FDR’s heart just as I can’t answer for what Dr. Adams’ true motives are. Whatever it was or is, they both seem to have profited from their actions. As for the “incentive to improve his own life by building his own home, growing his own food, and making his own clothes”, I’ll leave that particular utopia to Dr. Adams. It strikes me as kind of fool’s paradise.

Liberals
I mean statists, are under the delusion that a utopian state is possile and they've killed millions of people over the years trying to prove it.

Good article!
States the problem very well. It is one thing to be compassionate and kind to others who may need a helping hand in life and encouragement, but it is another to play God...not only in your own life but in the lives of others.

Becky in VA
FDR's list of "rights" is a wonderful pipe-dream. His "chicken in every pot" was the same. We would ALL love the idea of nobody going hungry, or cold, or deprived in this country--but NOT at the expense of our ability to EARN what we need!
If a person is deprived because he WILL not work; he deserves poverty! If he CAN'T work--then we as individuals actually OWE him a bare living! (NOT luxery, mind you--but enough to survive)
SIMPLE theory, but one which has worked for many years--up to when the Government decided what was "good for us".
Even Socialism has used the phrase "if a man does not work, neither shall he eat". I for one, do NOT choose protection over liberty--and those that do deserve to have neither (to paraphrase Ben Franklin).
I WILL WORK to EARN what I have--and will share with others as I decide they NEED of MY surplus. I will NOT give away my surplus so somebody ELSE can decide who wants it!

Help Me Out, Aspacia...
I don't quite follow your thoughts. You mention "Republican Capitalism". "Capitalism" is a system of economic cooperation; "Republican", of course, is form of political governance. What is Republican Capitalism?

What is a "Free Trade" Capitalist? Can only Capitalists be for "Free Trade"? By “Free Trade”, do you mean unregulated domestic trade or international trade?

Let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that FDR's economic policies were anti-capitalist. Are you saying that FDR's anti-capitalist economic policies saved capitalism?

Irene Adler -
as in "the Woman"? People actually still read?

Great Article / Great Book
...so far. I haven't finished the book yet,
but enough to know that everyone should read
a copy of it, or better yet own it.

Every person in America with a student in a
Jr. High or High School should have the student
read this book.

YES, MIKE! We'll take you up on that future
article!

Irene Adler
Not only the wearing of pajamas in the day, but any sign of slovenliness is indicative of an Obama supporter. With a high degree of accuracy, you can spot an Obama voter by the way they look, dress and carry themselves.

Losers who've thrown in the towel on life and show no pride in their appearance and behavior, vote democratic. This is because they want others who have pride and drive to be brought down to their level because they're too lazy to improve themselves. Sadly, they're in the majority, it seems.

Our culture, the media, and all our entertainment reinforce the democratic message of defeatism, hoplessness and despite for accomplishment so as to condition the stupid American masses to submit their lives to our ruling kleptocracy.

I would only wish that our collapse would happen quickly and dramatically so as to wake up enough of these future pod people and cause them to perhaps reject their enslavement.

And I would pray that they get so angry and resentful that they violently reverse this course. It is our only hope.

Peace and Happy Mother's day

T
Yes, and yes. I like to flatter myself with that moniker.

JD's Handsome Son
you've recognized something there. Isn't it interesting how many people want to be in charge of these people? There are folks who seek the accolades of the masses. Their psyche screams for recognition. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin .... peculiar people. I think Roosevelt was damn peculiar.
So in the end The Lord Obama is The Lord of the Flies.
Have to resist anyway, I'm ordinary but not souless. Don't give up.

Great article!
Mike is good at explaining why he thinks like he does and poking fun and the hypocracy and lunacy of leftist, statist and feminists.
Mark Levin's book is a must read. I think every person holding a position in government should have to read it before assuming office or continuing to hold it. This includes all the appointed bureaucrats that we never get a chance to elect.

Mother of 4, very astute observation!
The lunacy of not keeping score and giving a trophy to all participants is the canary in the coal mine of the "self-esteem" morons. They don't have a clue as to how one attains self-esteem. You actually have to accomplish something in order to be proud of your acheivement.

The welfare state destroys the self-esteem of vast swaths of our society and provides no escape. Until the reform of '96, forced on Clinton by the only principled Congress in decades, before or since, that helped many get off welfare and become proud productive members of society. But that is now history as all that has been rolled back and again the welfare state is growing and will continue to grow until far too many are reliant on the government for their existance and will forever vote to steal more from those that produce.

Soon, there will be no productive people left in the US.

MikeR
You wrote: "It is true that FDR’s tenure was due greatly to the depression and that his policies lengthened its duration;" I am glad to see you agree that FDR made life in America worse.

Then you wrote: "FDR by giving in to some socialist ideology drained the fuel from a greater socialist/communist movement that would have done much greater harm to this country" I guess you would argue now that obambi must embrace socialist policies to lessen the threat of more dangerous socialists trying to take over our country?

golden
another great job dr adams! can't wait to read part 2!

n
No, nothing of the sort. I have posted before that I find Obama’s policies alarming to say the least. They are an immense gamble that poses great danger to the country. Furthermore, they may have a lasting effect on policy and political philosophy that will take many presidencies to change.

In this case, the US doesn’t face any of the issues that FDR had. In fact, it is a poor comparison between the two. Think of a burning house. You accept the water damage because the fire hoses stopped the house from burning down completely. Well, the house is not on fire this time, so we shouldn’t be flooding it with billions of gallons of water.

Irene Adler
Cool. C/D is one of my favourite authors, and I have an extensive dead tree collection that my children have been bugging me to make sure I pass on to them (not that I plan on doing that SOON!!) I'm trying to get my grandchildren to know what worlds open to them this way - not the least of which include an ability to think critically.

And I do think, in the LONG run, the socialists and statists will be beholden to those who can think critically and create.

ala: "I am John Galt"

OBAMA's Failed Policies
These have been tried before and always fail. Nothing good came from Roosevelt. Nothing good will come from OBAMA.

My neighbor made the mistake of feeding
squirrels on her back porch because she enjoyed watching them. This is unnatural. The squirrels stopped working at finding their own food and hiding it. When she forgot to feed them one morning they became aggressive. Ripping at the screen on her back door. What happened when winter came?

Lack Common Sense
OBAMA and Roosevelt both have and had a total lack of "COMMON SENSE". How the nature of things are. But it is silly to say OBAMA cares about the poor. What about the poor children kicked out of the private schools in Washington DC. Actions speak louder than words. In OBAMA's case one must always watch what he does. Never listen to what he says. He is like a Magician. What was he up to during the Pig Flu hubbub? That's what I want to know.

Mr. Adams
I agree as usual with your article. Michael Medved had a similar topic in his column today.

The problem as usual is one of perception. No one wants to be accused of being selfish, mean, cruel, heartless, or any of a number of negative adjectives. Yet if you put forth the conservative line of capitalism, limited government, and private charity as opposed to socialism, expansive government, and massive redistribution of wealth, you get accused of all these traits and more. This tactic by the left is hard to counter.

I fear for our country unless a lot more people get back on track to the principles that made our country great. Pray hard for our nation, my friends.

aspacia's incorrect premises
The Depression was hardly due to "capitalism" but instead to massive government intervention in the economy by the interventionist technocrats. The Federal Reserve Act dates to 1913. The Federal Reserve deliberately engineered the massive inflationary runup of the 1920's and resulting malinvestment. The Federal Reserve then choked off credit in 1929, triggering the 1929 stock-market crash.

After the crash, the Dow Jones recovered early in 1930. The downturn correlated with the prospects for passage of the disastrous Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which became law in 1930.

Hoover's massive economic interventions (expanded on by FDR) resulted in the great bear market - which actually didn't commence until 1932. Due to those anti-capitalist interventions, pre-1929 levels weren't reached until Nov., 23, 1954, during the Eisenhower administration.


Will- has no depth or common sense
I was so pleased to read the comments and think that dipsheet "Will" had not commented.
But then at the end, the ant arrived at the picnic.

Of course he/she/it did not bring any depth to the discussion, only a link. I flagged it as offensive, lets hope the mod sees it the same way.

Will- a DRONE that adds nothing to the hive but is always there to eat it's honey.

Statists still deify Thurgood Marshall …
… but I have always believed that he was strictly second-class and third-rate.

Clarence Thomas is his master.

And Marshall is no deity, though he may have been a demon, to judge by the "values" of his supporters and by Marshall's own words.

That quote Adams cites here is perfect proof:

"You do WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT and let the law catch up" (emph. mine).

Those are not the words of a true jurist, an honest judge or even a competent, ethical legal professional. Neither are they the words of an honorable man who fears Almighty God.

They are those of a pompous, imperious power grubber — a lawless political hack glorified by a black robe and a wooden mallet. They reveal the soul of a tyrant. And they represent the attitudes of Obama, his administration, and the unconstitutional, immoral Congress of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, et al.

To say something like what Marshall said there is to exalt the hubris of man above the honor of man's Creator. I'm not having it.

"In those days there was no king in Israel. Every man did what was right in his own eyes" (Judges 21:25).

Those are our conditions today. But I know these guys will not get very far. Their attitudes, conduct and deeds contain the seeds of their own inevitable destruction. No question.

What I do not know is how pervasive that destruction will ultimately be for the nation at large.

JD's Handsome Son of 5:22
Its a shame to see the beacon of opportunity burning so low here. It may burn brightly again soon, or maybe never. Bottom line, this country is still a wonderful place to live. Collectivism always makes class distinctions necessary. The middle class becomes a minority group which is careful to support one another, and discrimination becomes careful decisions to hire and spend within one's own circle. Nepotism and cronyism become more and more important. A helping hand up is carefully offered only to someone who can reciprocate.

And if things get too bad, perhaps a new land of opportunity will arise. A few million American immigrants bringing talent and money could transform many countries of small population and large areas of undeveloped real estate. It wouldn't take much to make the Dominican republic or Belize a rival to Singapore and Hong Kong.

Tacticus x
You are exactly right.I have Levins book on my table to read.Other books on the must read list are Meltdown by Tom Woods.The 5000 year leap.

Paleocon
D: "The last tyrant that ruled this country, George III, lost the colonies and then, lost his mind."

P: "George III wasn't our last tyrant, and he may not be remembered as the worst of the lot."

He was the last tyrant to "rule" over this land. Certainly, we have tyrannical Presidencies ... Wilson and FDR come to mind, but they did not rule because "ruling" is what Monarchs do.

"Unfortunately, those who followed lost their minds before losing power."

Absolutely, Wilson even had a stroke and left his unelected wife running the country for the last couple years of his Presidency.


Postscript to my previous
In the case of Obama, and Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the statist street gang in that illegitimate Congress, the quote must be paraphrased thus:

"You do WHATEVER YOU PLEASE and let the law catch up."

This is the way they are violating our national life.

will
You finally show up with your off topic drivel.
You've lost your mind like all the other statists!

Individual Liberty
This to me is a question of individual freedom. It is a question of how important is our individual freedom and the individual freedom of our fellow Americans. How important that is determines what we should or should not support. If it is very important, then you want the smallest government as possible. If it is not important, then you don't care if the government is growing, which in turn means that each one of us has just a little less individual freedom.

Levin
Liberty and Tyranny, although not complete, does spell out the bulk of the statist agenda. it also states fairly simple terms, oho our forefathers laid the groundwork for what we know as the American dream.
The ability to change your lot in life through hard work and vigilance (equality of opportunity).
Equality of outcomes is a farce, and each society that has gone that way eventually fails...
We need to promote the American Dreem wherever we can, and expose the failure and fraud of class equity before it consumes us!

Get the facts
In re, "The Depression was in full swing under Republican capitalism." This is not true. It was off to a good start, but once FDR started implementing his "fixes" it got much worse. What he did is much like what the current AAPOTUS wants to do, which will have the same results.

Statism
I had to fill out a lot of information to say: "Huzza, Dr. Adams, Huzza!!

will - Off Topic???

Ya think?

Btw, what is a gay guy doing looking at a beautiful woman in panties?

Back to your "Hunks Of The Castro District" calendar.

Please.

Robert D.
Yes, you’d think there’d be a special short cut for sycophants.

The famouse Miss Adler:
The ONLY person to totally put one over on Holmes. Not even Moriarity did that.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

NOT a thief.
Titles are fair game. There are at least FOUR songs titled "Heartbreaker" that I can think of.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Help Denise!!!
I need to find an online source that discusses SCOTUS cases in depth. I am briefing THREE a night and Stevens is in dire need of both an editor AND a muzzle!!

BTW, for those who claim that Thomas is merely Scalia's sock pupppet WHY did he break so sharply with Scalia on Troxel v. Granville?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

State theft, state murder
So how are we enjoying the beneficent rule of thieves and murderers?

Adams writes:
"The statist fails to realize that by confiscating a man’s property … he confiscates his incentive to improve his own life. …"

-- Well, given that the state has no legitimate right to "confiscate" anything, save for lawful means of providing restitution to victims of crime, such "policies" amount to state-sponsored theft.

Indeed, today the government perpetrates the crimes. These officials are in violation of not just the Constitution, but also of the Eighth and Ninth Commandments, being the bold-faced thieves and liars they are.

They also encourage us all to violate the Tenth Commandment.

Adams writes:
"When the statist confiscates property he also confiscates a man’s ability to improve his life."

-- Right. And I assert that when the state does that, it confiscates the man's ability to live, asphyxiating and thus killing the man. And that's called murder, by any sane standard.

But this is government of the insane, by the insane and for the insane, "presided" over by lupine maniacs in love with their own rapacious appetites.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that in this country at present, Satan is on the throne.

Fortunately, I believe also that the Almighty's throne is over every other throne, regardless where Lucifer decides to set up shop -- even in the Oval Office or on Capitol Hill.

These guys are building their own gallows. Mark that.

Statists - The Strawman
The Statists is a manufactured strawman loaded with sweeping generalities and assertions that just don't make sense. The inferiority complex and the idea that they do not recognize inalienable rights. This is a manufactured strawman so it can be then knocked down.

What is all this based on? What is the source? Most Liberals (Statists) are practicing Christians who believe in the love of God and Christ and they believe in inalienable rights.

I have no idea who these statists are. you folks are really out of touch with reality.

Mark Levin.

His book "LIberty and Tyranny" is simply superb, and rivals the many works of Thomas Sowell.

Get yourself a copy, learn some truly amazing insights... and then pass it on.

Better yet, buy an extra copy as a gift to someone special.

God bless America.


Breaking News!!
Maine House and Senate passed gay marriage legislation and now...

governor Baldacci signs it inot law!

MAINE IS NOW THE FIFTH (5th) STATE TO ALLOW SAME-SEX MARRIAGE!


And equality rolls on, like a freight train!

Cheers, everyone!

Liberal / Statist on topic comments
After reading down through 76 comments I would comment on the total lack of on topic comments by the liberal / statist contingent. If they didn't understand the article there would be no end to their inane comments so I can only conclude that they understand and have no relevant arguements

will
I hope you are proud of the hate crimes law that will likely pass. Especially when the children you and your "hubby" adopt is molested by the pedophile that will be protected by the same law. Hereafter every child molested, every case of incest every act of beastiality that goes unpunished will be YOUR and Your ilk's fault.

hey hard truth
Look at our school system for the last 30 years. That is why our under 30 people in America are so stupid. They have taught this way in the now Liberal leaning school system.

No more God or Country Pride in schools for years now.

They are not learning about America's past correctly. Read some school books, it is proven they have all been written by Liberals for years now. They have dumbed down our youth and taught them so a lot of misinformation from these same books.

It is our school system that caused this, and the liberals that control them.

Stedes
A "statist" is one who believes in the concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government, often extending to the government ownership of industry (you know, like GM and Chrysler, the banks, etc.). The term is actually broader when used as Levin used it in his book, and Goldberg in his, as they are also those who believe that a large, highly centralized government can actually solve problems, provide for the masses, and ultimately, undermine the free market and property rights on the basis of egalitarian principles that level us all to a shared misery. Bush was an amateur statist; Obama is a professional. You and others may be Christian, it matters not to me. Your governing principles, however, are secular humanist in both origin and practice. When you can no longer practice your religion, it will be too late. When no one can own property, it will be too late. When the government can take ownership of F500 companies and dictate who will lead them and who will own them ....oops, we are already there! Some people need a nanny state. You decide if you are one of those. I already have.

COMMENTS ON FDR'S EMPIRCIAL RULE
I grew up in a rural conservative Democrat family. I heard comments about what FDR had done FOR this country in my early years. But by his third election I heard comments what FDR was doing TO this country and comments that he believed he was a king or emperor. Then I was too young to understand these comments, but I do now.

Things change and so do people's awarness of their government. During the election and after I became very concerned about the direction our country would be headed and wondered why more people did not speak up. I realize many American citizens wanted to give Obama the benefit of the doubt to be our President. Now, I see the bloom is off the rose, so to speak, and Americans are begining to see Obama for what he really is. Even a few Liberals and members of the Democratic congress are begining to scratch their heads in doubt.

With the many conservative articles and posts on TH and other internet sites, the new Conservative organizations that are being formed and all the people I met at the Tea Party in my city gives me reasurance that with a united effort we will be able to protect our country, our rights, our liberties, our faith and hopefully our assets.

I have faith in God, our country and the American people. However, we must continue the good fight against tyranny. Thanks Mike Adams for your input.


Stedes - Statists

Unfortunately, the Statist bug bit a significant segment of organized protestantism in the 19th century. The "Social Gospel" movement of the late 19th and early 20th century was all about using the force of government to remake society into a form these particular folks thought righteous. That is, they committed the transgression of attempting to use the Government as an instrument of their particular religious preferences.

The Progressive Movement infected both the democrat and the republican parties, which is one reason the steady encroachment of Statism is all too real.

UncleB
As much as I hate Will’s “breaking news” stories, I fail to see the connection to your comment. Hate laws are silly, but no part of the bill legalized child molestation.

No idea? And WE'RE 'out of touch'?
stedes wrote:
"I have no idea who these statists are. you folks are really out of touch with reality."

-- Well, have you read the article?

I'm not sure how you've concluded that we are "out of touch with reality," but why don't you give the story a read before you post?

I think Adams was quite clear in identifying the statists you keep calling "straw men."

He cites FDR, who unilaterally wove out of the air a socialist "Bill of Rights" guaranteeing everything but the "right" of welfare slaves to sit on the Throne of Heaven.

Then there's Thurgood Marshall, who admitted preferring his own personal standards to interpreting law when handing down decisions.

Adams even hints at Obama, who in just three months has pocketed Corporate America, hijacked the U.S. economy to ensure state control down to the tenth generation, made government the key job engine, and now is poised to destroy the health care system and, through manic taxation, U.S. productivity as well.

Any idea now "who these statists are"?

Or will you just keep playing dumb?

Mike Adams:
Expresses in such a gloriously subtle, yet profound way, the core of liberal cowerdice. That's really what inferiority boils down to. Every liberal I've ever known really wants at his/her inner-most being the sanctity and security of the womb, for that was the last time they ever felt no anxiety, fear or dread. Probably explains why they have such regard for abortion rights. It's as if they're thinking, "If I can no longer have that security, I'll make sure you (fetus) aren't allowed that sanctuary either!"
The statist is to be pitied, but also completely destroyed and routed.

The Statist
Their are foundations everywhere in our country. Foundations that build families that build love for a daughter to her father, and a love that rests in the heart of a boy for his mother. It is not inconsequential that it is that way. It is inherant in the 'Rights of Man'
The right to live life as was given you by God. The right to love and be happy. To sow from the Earth, the right to be wrong, and the right to choose to be a slave or the right to be free. In choosing to be a slave you do not lose your rights given by God, and you do not represent the unborn who have no representation but God.

Edmund Burke, the arch nemisis of Thomas Paine.
The Thomas Paine who instilled in George Washington that Man is more than a heridatry benificiary of rights given from politicians, kings, and aristicrats. He is a gift unto himself.

Edmund Burke attacked the French Revolution in that it attacked the right of heriditary succession of the French Kings.....

There are no kings under God was Thomas Paines point....his simple and eloquent point......

if I may take liberty with the a quote from the olden days, several thousand of years ago....from the land of Palistine....

"through the fields of El Obama comes
He enters the pavillion of the father of years
at his feet the writers of words bow, prostrate themselves and pay homage

Obama the kindly one, the merciful, rejoices.
His feet on the footstool he sets.

He opens his throat and laughs

He raises his voice and cries out

I shall sit and take my ease

To the writers of words he says..."your soul shall repose in my breast for the mighty Ba'al is alive....For the Prince of the Earth Exists...

Incredulous
Maybe they think it is torture to live therfore they are actually saving the fetus from such an egregous fate to abort it before, or as it is being born!
Life is scary, and to statists scaring people is torture. therefore humans should be killed to save them from torture.
Maybe that is also why it is okay to kill terrorists and their families, but not okay to scare them into giving up information that will actually save innocent lives!
Now it makes sense!

Oh Bobby-G
Life is scary, and to statists scaring people is torture. therefore humans should be killed to save them from torture.
Maybe that is also why it is okay to kill terrorists and their families, but not okay to scare them into giving up information that will actually save innocent lives!
Now it makes sense!

Life is not scary under God. It his design that created this world and the times we live in. It his will that hardens the hearts of the leaders in this world to bring us to a narrow and finite point in history....the abandonment of reason, of Israel, and God.

Only then will we willfully choose to leave Israel to her place, alone and with no friends. With only the belief in their God to guide them.

Not the first time.....: ) It is as George Washington firmly belived "Divine Provinence"

The haughty ones desire to dictate to Israel. God looks at those who do and abandons them. For Only the Lord God will save Israel.

Incredulous
You are very aptly named. David S. had done a pretty good job of countering stedes then you came along to show that stedes actually had a point. Of all the reasons for liberal support of abortion, this is the first time I heard that one. Pardon me for being incredulous, but you have gone and provided another perfect example of the mythical (or straw man) “liberal”.

I would like to apologize for any
disparaging remarks I may have made about Miss California (Carrie Prejean).

Now that gays and gay supporters are winning this gay marriage battle, it is important for us advocates to become a bit more humble and graceful about the whole thing.

Miss California's all right in my book! Let her speak her mind. People should be allowed to dissent. Freedom of speech is a foundation of our government. There is no need for the gay community to get defensive any longer (we're winning the battles).

Yhis is the New Left speaking. We love our conservative brothers and sisters.


Bud
You are exactly correct. Notably, both Wilson and TR were strong progressives, a very dangerous breed, and I believe that is why Bush was so staunchly statist - having declared himself to be the compassionate conservative, he thought government could actually help with this or that, and in particular could foist his personal religious views on the country. A war and huge deficits left him bankrupt, but any historian could have warned him not to follow the progressive model. Obama, of course, must have skipped history altogether, as he doesn't even know about what happened to every single socialist system that ever existed. Or maybe he does, which is scarier, because the most successful one to date, economically, appears to be China. India tried command economics, leading Nehru to mutter: "The problem with India is we have to many brilliant economists."

Is this correct?

About a year ago, the stockholders of Chrysler held assets worth in the billions of dollars.

Now, about one year later, their stock is worthless.

So where did all of the wealth that the Chrysler stock represented go?

Well, the unions now own about 51% of Chrysler; the government owns about 30% and Fiat owns the rest. The original stockholders own nothing.

Thanks to obama, the fraud, billions of dollars in assets have been taken from their rightful owners and given to the unions, the government and Fiat. Is that larceny on a large scale?

How about the fact that obama, the fraud, has taken trillions of dollars from ordinary American taxpayers and used the money to compensate the wealthy and elite who would have lost trillions on their investment in securities backed by home mortgages. The money going to these large investment banks has only one purpose; to protect the wealthy and elite from the consequences of their poor financial choices.

Obama, the fraud, is stealing trillions from average Americans to protect the wealth of the elite and already wealthy.

So, obama "the fraud" has not only duped our government as to his eligibility to be POTUS. He has also been integral to transferring trillions of dollars from average Americans to the his wealthy and elite supporters.

Life in a federal prison is too good for a scam artist like obama "the fraud".

With this thief in the WH
Its like a street gang running the government

The progressives
Are not liberal, they are insecure people.

All their policies are created out of their fears and insecurity

Eddie Too
Eddie asks.."So where did all of the wealth that the Chrysler stock represented go?"

I say wherever Obama says it goes. Don't like it? Do something about it....: )

Right now Obama is able to cower the most astute of finacial and corporate leaders.

I say right now only because a huge backlash is coming when the leaders, affirmed and executed by their oath to their stockholders, understand that they are next on the chopping block of public sacrifice, as dictated by Obama.

I say either the Corporate Leaders understand that leadership means something or they go to their graves asking themselves "Could I have done something, anything!"

Corporate Leadership means you lead.....and Americans from kids to Dads, Moms, Grandfathers, Grandmothers, Aunts, Uncles, Freinds, and the community expects only that..To do less detracts from all of us.

Just a few financial leaders who are willing to stand for what they believe in bares more weight than you could ever imagine.......

Yes sometimes leadership means sacrificing yourself for the ones you love, and the ones you were destined to protect.....

Abe Lincoln
I tried to post this earlier, so hope it doesn't show up twice, but nice words on statism from our 16th POTUS --
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

.....Abraham Lincoln

Will -You love your brothers
Will, we don't want equality. It is not the same as being "born equal." It is not desirable for everyone to be equal because we are not all the same, that is, equal. We are to be afforded the same God-given rights. That is what being "born equal" means. You homos want a right that God never gave. Now if there is now God, as you say, there are no rights.

temug
I don't wish to disentangle your tangled thinking.

You have a right to your distorted beliefs.

However, this country's Laws are based upon the U.S. Constitution, not Biblical Law. Not Leviticus. Sometimes the Constituion and the Bible are in direct conflict. And the Constitution must win, every time.

Will...
Your so full of sh!t it's unbelievable. The Constitution was written by Christian believers. Even the few that weren't Christian, did indeed believe in some form of Creator. Maybe you should try reading a book, say "God in America" by Newt Gingrich. One of many, that gives example after example after example of quotes, texts, etc from our Founding Fathers and how they inserted Biblical law/text into the Constitution.

There is a very simple way to absolutely destroy a nation's moral, and that is to remove the idea that there is a God. Without God, who do we have to fear? Man? Who do we have to answer to? Man?


Sure....all men/women are created equal
Which by guarantee of the constitution is something that is a right in the US....without regarding to race, gender, or creed.

However the US right now is in the the throes of a leftward pitch in the pendulum whereby its ALL focused on MONEY......

Any liberal care so splain why all they care about is money.....and namely taking it from other people who earned it????

Little Willie-Willie won't go home
Will writes:
"I would like to apologize for any disparaging remarks I may have made about Miss California (Carrie Prejean)."

-- Well, this thread is about statism, not gross sexual abnormalities and sodomite perversions.

But we accept your apology.

Now go back to flicking your bick.

He/she/it writes:
"Now that gays and gay supporters are winning this gay marriage battle, it is important for us advocates to become a bit more humble and graceful about the whole thing."

-- Oh, are you actually "winning" something? Well, no worries; you'll have little trouble being "more humble" once you recognize, as we do, the severity of your mental deficiencies.

Becoming "graceful" will require effort, though, and frankly, your conduct up to now reveals little hope that you possess the requisite discipline. Remember, you’ve yet to show that you can even stay on topic!

He/she/it:
"Miss California's all right in my book!"

-- Oh, but that would be MISTER California prancing through your breathless little book, wouldn't it?

He/she/it:
"People should be allowed to dissent. Freedom of speech is a foundation of our government."

-- We've heard rumors to that effect, yeah.

"There is no need for the gay community to get defensive any longer."

-- How true. Now you can concentrate on becoming more offensive than ever!

Will
Way to stir up the faithful.
The one thing I want to ask you is where is it that it is written in the constitution that you or anyone else has the right to get married? Marriage is to promote the best possible outcomes for children, which EVERY study says is in the nuclear family. That is good for the country. You may want to believe that outcomes will be the same in same sex marriages, but the facts are irrefutable.
In review, you do not have the right to call yourself married unless the people who have the power to decide such things (Americans), say you can! To be granted such a right by judicial fiat is a gross misjustice to the constitution.
Lastly, there is no benifit to society to allow gays, or polygamists to call themselves married.
Marriage has been diminished quite a bit by you and your ilk for the last 3 or 4 decades. In Califorina now, it is alomst meaningless.

best ever
Dr Adams is a good writer and this is his best ever.

He is limited by the fact he cannot imagine how joyfully the masses embrace the notion of a Great Lord to Lead Them.

King Obama

And, as with all earthly kings before him, he shall fall and the masses will not bat an eye.

It's either a sense of "INFERIORITY"...
.
...or, what I suspect, more often to be the case,

is that it is

ENVY

of the "superiority" of another (...two sides of the same coin?!).

DRAG DOWN "the other", and you have the smug content of "knowing" that "they" are no better than you.

Shared mediocrity, as well as misery.

Liberals. Socialists. Whatever.

Walter 4:16 PM EST
Good Post. Your post makes me wonder how the media and democrats keep comparing Obama to Lincoln. Their philosophies are exact opposites. Unfortunately, you will now be called a racist and bigot for exposing these facts. Proudly wear the badge of honor well my friend.

Thanks David!!
THAT lyric brings back (fairly bad) bubblegum rock memories. I had to listen to half the twits in the nabe warble that tune while hammering out Led Zep on my '57 Strat.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

a failure in logic
The progressive, excuse me here, thinks that they are progressing toward something better, and thus they are justified in ever making changes to suit the mood of "the people"(certain people, not all). I just have to wonder how this is possible as they deny God, and as far as I know make no claims to know the future or what ultimately is the best for man. How can they move toward an ideal unless that ideal precedes them and thus has always been right and thus should remain constant?

bobby-g
Gays having a "right" to marriage is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.

The Constitution does not say gays have a right to marriage -- nor does it say that gays should NOT get marriage. It has no opinion.

So states are deciding, on a state-by-state basis, as it should be. Anyway, today's vote in Maine was done by the state Senate, the legislature, not a court. The legislature enacted gay marriage and the governor signed it into law. If you have a problem with that, bring a lawsuit against the state legislature. Sue them.

Will
I thought that you might like to see this on Marion Barry, who voted against recognizing Gay Marriage in the District of Columbia (yeah, it is crack pipe, Marion The Moron):

D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8), the only council member to vote against the bill today to legalize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, predicted today there could be a “civil war” in the District if the Council decides to take up a broader gay marriage bill later this year.

“All hell is going to break lose,” Barry said while speaking to reporters. “We may have a civil war. The black community is just adamant against this.”…

Although he has been a longtime supporter of gay rights, Barry said he voted against the bill to satisfy his constituents in Southeast Washington.

“What you’ve got to understand is 98 percent of my constituents are black and we don’t have but a handful of openly gay residents,” Barry said. “Secondly, at least 70 percent of those who express themselves to me about this are opposed to anything dealing with this issue. The ministers think it is a sin, and I have to be sensitive to that.”



What's up with that? Has DC become a hot-bed for radicalized, Conservative, right-wing extremists?

Denise
I'm no longer bitter about conservatives not supporting a same-sex marriage agenda.

It's pretty clear that within a few years, we should have at least a quarter of the states allowing gay marriage (btw: New Hampshire's next). They will most probably be coastal states with a few states (like Iowa) in between.

That's enough for me. I don't wish to make the entire United States gay marriage-friendly. I just want gay kids to know that when they grow up, there is acceptance and a life of marriage and kids and family should they want it.

I'm not looking to radicalize the nation. I'll accept gay marriage in many states, doesn't have to be all. Now, it may eventually come down to the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court is forced to decide -- and, of course, they'll vote to allow s/s marriage (how could you deny hundreds of thousands of s/s couples who have already married, not to remain married? Some gay couples in Massachusetts alone have been married for half a decade... longer than many straight couples I know).

SO.... as you can plainly see.... I'm no RADICAL! I'm a fraud! I was merely pretending to be radical! I just want gay marriage in many, not all, states. Live and let live. I can get along with the gay-marriage-denying states.

Walter -
Well written, sir! After enough failure, even the most inveterate "progressive" tires of frivolous experimentation, which is their term for throwing spaghetti against a wall and seeing what sticks.

Madison vs. Moses?
Will told tedmug:
"You have a right to your distorted beliefs."

-- Where'd you get that, Will? All men are entitled to freedom of opinion, yes. But how do you twist that into some "right" to hold "distorted beliefs"?

If my "belief" is that I have a right to rape your mother, are you really going to champion my "right" to hold -- and to act upon -- that "belief"?

Will wrote:
"This country's Laws are based upon the U.S. Constitution, not Biblical Law."

-- Well, please tell us what the U.S. Constitution is based on.

Will wrote:
"Sometimes the Constituion and the Bible are in direct conflict."

-- Are they? Would you mind, please, telling us exactly where that occurs? Just one example will do.

Will wrote:
"And the Constitution must win, every time."

-- Really? How about the day you are finally laid out on a slab in the morgue? Does the Constitution "win" over the Bible then?

I love the U.S. Constitution, which is much more than Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, et al, the members of the "press" and the entire statist-"lib" establishment can claim.

But I love the Bible more, because it's the ONLY document on earth that GUARANTEES me liberty, whatever men or devils may say or do, provided I'm willing to meet its conditions.

In any case, where's the conflict? The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, while the Bible commands obedience to civil authorities and laws.

So what's your point?

Charters of Freedom
The Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights and amendments are written in plain English.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/

Will is winning and losing
Will,

You are constantly bringing up gay rights, and you may in fact be right that gay activists are "winning" politically. Sadly though, just like the Statist of this article, when you win, everyone loses. People may in choose to indulge their own immediate sexual desires verses engaging in the harder work of forming real families and real marriages.

People in this country for years have denigrated marriage to follow their own lusts which makes it natural to completely destroy the meaning of the institution completely, but is this a good thing. No, of course not, you can no more change the fact that stable families with a dad and a mom are the best environment to raise happy healthy kids then you can change the law of gravity. Our problem these days is that so many people are already a screwed up, so they cannot see how bad the destruction of marriage is.

By the way, the same self-indulgent culture also leads us to give our right away along with our responsibilities. To many Esaus who are willing to sell their birthrights for a bit of government soup.

So go ahead, celebrate your victory, but remember if you do "win" it will be a very hollow victory that leads to more misery for everyone.

'Gay' kids!?!
"I just want GAY KIDS to know that when they grow up, there is acceptance and a life of marriage and kids and family should they want it." [emph. mine]

-- Oh, momma.

Official space helmet on, Captain Video …

In seriousness, there you see the sort of "mind" that is behind this present darkness, against which we're locked in a combat to the death -- for the soul of the nation, for our families, for our children and their children.

"Gay" kids.

Surreal. Infernal.

Yet these "gays" have no real interest in influencing children, do they?

Will wrote:
"[A]s you can plainly see.... I'm no RADICAL! I'm a fraud! I was merely pretending to be radical! I just want gay marriage in many, not all, states. Live and let live. I can get along with the gay-marriage-denying states."

-- This twit is neither radical nor fraud. He's a fruit bat.

But that whole God-damned campaign and agenda has to be destroyed.

I was wondering if anyone …
… would remember the pop song reference.

Wrat Wrangler wins the prize!

Sorry, man, for the "fairly bad" bubblegum rock memories!

David, it gets better!!
Monday night on American Idol (was surfing past it) I HAD to stop! I heard the family F-Major power bar chords to "Slow Ride" and watched a decent production to one of the anthems of my misspent youth. Foghat!!!!! "Little Wille" by Sweet, right?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!

Wrat Wrangler:
Ha!

Foghat!

And yep, The Sweet.

I was reminded of Little Willy back before That One finally took the Dummy-Crap nomination, when it looked very much as though Billary might slick right back into the White House.

Bill Clinton was always in the news and wouldn't shut up, so the words "Little Willy won't go home" got stuck in my head.

Anyway, keep up the good fight, soldier and brother.

-- David S.

More bashing of the working class?
The vast majority of the working class Americans that swept Obama and the Democrats into dominance this last election are not ignorant, jobless goons looking to use the state as a way to glom onto the work of others. They are people sick of seeing big business tycoons rob us blind while pretending to be the elite.

Let's not forget how this debacle started. Huge banks allowed insipid policies concerning home loans that cratered the entire world economy. I do not want to hear about how the poor overextended themselves. That is why we have supposed experts to oversee the process, and yet it failed miserably.

I am a socially moderate (which the left calls conservative anyway) and fiscally anti-socialist person. We must have the freedom in this world to try and fail or succeed on the merits of our own ideas, created on our own initiative. That's what freedom means, at its core. I have never voted Democratic in a Federal campaign, and I doubt I will start any time soon. I am not a shill for the leftists.

I am nevertheless begging you to stop though with the constant bashing of the working man. You're killing us here. Better jobs with more pay should be okay. Our conservative leaders should be able to compete with leftists in this aspect of politics, or expect to keep losing BADLY.

anderson659
I too read "Our Enemy, The State" more than 10 years ago---- it was worth more than the price of the book. Wish I still had it and that it was required reading in gubmint schools. Nock saw the dangers of the state just a Jefferson did. It is a very short read but PACKED with common sense. I highly recommend it to everyone!

P.S.
I seem to think the title was "MY Enemy, The State"... maybe that's only my reaction and not the actual title.

Circle the wagons...
TO: ScooterNC - "There surely has to be a wagon train out there that we can hook onto."

If we hook all these Tea Parties together - there's your train and i'm on it, baby. I want the country of Madison, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Paine, Lincoln - back - those great inspired Patriots of old. I want to take my beloved America back from the Alinsky-THUGS! As Mark Levin says, 'this is our country!'
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