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Wednesday, July 09, 2008
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
15 Things You Should Know About "The Race"
by Michelle Malkin
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Only in America could critics of a group called "The Race" be labeled racists. Such is the triumph of left-wing identity chauvinists, whose aggressive activists and supine abettors have succeeded in redefining all opposition as "hate."

Both Barack Obama and John McCain will speak this week in San Diego at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza, the Latino organization whose name is Spanish for, yes, "The Race." Can you imagine Obama and McCain paying homage to a group of white people who called themselves that? No matter. The presidential candidates and the media have legitimized "The Race" as a mainstream ethnic lobbying group and marginalized its critics as intolerant bigots. The unvarnished truth is that the group is a radical ethnic nationalist outfit that abuses your tax dollars and milks PC politics to undermine our sovereignty.

Here are 15 things you should know about "The Race":

15. "The Race" supports driver's licenses for illegal aliens.

14."The Race" demands in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students that are not available to law-abiding U.S. citizens and law-abiding legal immigrants.

13. "The Race" vehemently opposes cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state and federal authorities.

12. "The Race" opposes a secure fence on the southern border.

11. "The Race" joined the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in a failed lawsuit attempt to prevent the feds from entering immigration information into a key national crime database -- and to prevent local police officers from accessing the data.

10. "The Race" opposed the state of Oklahoma's tough immigration-enforcement-first laws, which cut off welfare to illegal aliens, put teeth in employer sanctions and strengthened local-federal cooperation and information sharing.

9. "The Race" joined other open-borders, anti-assimilationists and sued to prevent Proposition 227, California's bilingual education reform ballot initiative, from becoming law.

8. "The Race" bitterly protested common-sense voter ID provisions as an "absolute disgrace."

7. "The Race" has consistently opposed post-9/11 national security measures at every turn.

6. Former "Race" president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton's Hispanic outreach adviser, said this: "U.S. English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks." He was referring to U.S. English, the nation's oldest, largest citizens' action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States. "The Race" also pioneered Orwellian open-borders Newspeak and advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty while avoiding the terms "illegal" and "amnesty."

5. "The Race" gives mainstream cover to a poisonous subset of ideological satellites, led by Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA). The late GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood rightly characterized the organization as "a radical racist group … one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West."

4. "The Race" is currently leading a smear campaign against staunch immigration enforcement leaders and has called for TV and cable news networks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves -- in addition to pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes. The New York Times reported that current "Race" president Janet Murguia believes "hate speech" should "not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights."

3. "The Race" sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include Aztlan Academy in Tucson, Ariz., the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Ariz., Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and La Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain … ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction."

2. "The Race" has perfected the art of the PC shakedown at taxpayer expense, pushing relentlessly to lower home loan standards for Hispanic borrowers, reaping millions in federal "mortgage counseling" grants, seeking special multimillion-dollar earmarks and partnering with banks that do business with illegal aliens.

1. "The Race" thrives on ethnic supremacy -- and the elite sheeple's unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: "[The] organization's very nomenclature 'The National Council of La Raza' is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests) reflects the meaning of 'race' in Spanish, not 'the people' -- and that's precisely why we don't hear of something like 'The National Council of the People,' which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial and tribal chauvinism."

The fringe is the center. The center is the fringe. Viva La Raza.

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Very informative, Michelle and, as usual
an excellent all around column.
All of that said, they must be breaking some law(s) and one has to wonder why they can't be almost 100% tied up in the court system?

Osama in Sep '08

B O is offensive and deodorant won't help.

It's tough
because I have many law-abiding Hispanic friends and I love their families. I also speak Spanish. But, if they don't want to be American, assimilate and speak English, they belong in Mexico. Now, while teaching abroad in Japan, I'm struggling to learn a bit of Japanese for, 1. Talking to Japanese people and 2. Respect. It's their country.
For once I'd like to see some liberals move south to Mexico and assimilate. When they learn the language, they can then lobby and protest for change. For that matter, let them all do that.

race
#1 do you mean Nov. 08???

hook -- I mean getting OSAMA in Sep
will help McCain in November.

Osama Sep '08

B O is offensive and deodorant won't help.

TBC ~:>{)

Robert -- And you just KNOW this how?
Osama Sep '08

B O is offensive and deodorant won't help.

TBC ~:>{)

Bad Choice of Topic
A person as strongly associated with racism as Michelle Malkin really shouldn't be commenting on topics like this. It would be better if she stayed with hollywood gossip or fashion, things she's obviously more qualified for.

Viva La Reconquista!
Over and over we hear that people just want to come here to work. Yup. Many do. However, these hateful, militant groups are dead set on "taking back" what used to belong to Mexico.

There is no desire to speak English, assimilate, or be Americans. Remember that fateful "Immigrants Day" in LA last year? Thousands of people marching, carrying the red, white and green?

Apparently somebody noticed the boo-boo and how carrying la bandera mejicana might effect TV viewers across the nation. After lunch every marcher had been provided with the stars and stripes. Oops.

La Raza is bad news for America.

walter mitty aka Robert
you trully are one sorry moron

Much as I admire Michelle


It becomes necessary to rebut [Michelle Malkins] her inflammatory rhetoric about some American hispanic causes.

I'm not a supporter of La Raza; an organization which truly I never saw as the representative of all hispanics & Mexican Americans.

But neither have I any objection in a free society, to allowing John McCain the right to meet with La Raza. It isn't against the law. It doesn't make of McCain less of a loyal American.

It's within a legitimate and democratic path of political discourse.

For Michelle to cry alarms makes me very sad. She would be among the first I'd expect to give others the right to speak. Not the opposite.

Michelle
It is a very simple negotiating tactic. The more you ask for initially, the more you will wind up with as a rule. The key is judging the other party. It can be counter productive to try for too much but, if you judge the other party soft or are unsure just how far they might be pushed, then ask for the moon. Who knows? You might just get it.

The Muslims have probably been benchmarking the Mexican influx here as a template for Europe. More likely the same factors have been driving both migrations and they are largely economic but, they could pick up some pointers from each other. Maybe some illegal Mexicans decide a little terrorism here or there might jog the process along a little faster.

In both cases, they are the least wealthy peasants fleeing despotic, corrupt, and dysfunctional regimes and should be pitied. They should also want to learn the language and join the culture or be sent back. Multi culturalism will be the death of any free country because the other culture is not free and is not equal is any sense of the word.

Dear Mr. Bob Munck
And which of the author's fifteen points are you rebutting with your post?

Right on Michelle
I can only say that the more American citizens and the rule of law win, the angrier La Raza and every other bleeding heart open borders group become.They all know that the only way they can win is through coercion and intimdation.They just haven't figured out that American citizens don't take their freedom lightly, and won't roll over for them.If we can't build a wall we will become a wall.It is about right and wrong. It is about truth.

Et Tu McCain?
John McCain says he has heard us on the fact that Americans want no amnesty of any kind.
Now...he meets with and panders to hispanics who want that amnesty and access to socialist programs.
Hear this John McCain, it is your record, own it. Look in the mirror for the cause when Obama is elected.

Number 11.
#11, get on aztlan.net and read what they had to say about the illegal aliens(muslims) in France.They said that massive civil disobedience was necessary now because they can't afford to let what is happening in france happen here.They have been threatening riots and civil disobedience for quite some time now and it is getting closer and closer every time La Raza opens their mouth.They are pushing for it but want someone else to start it so they can be the poor innocent victims that alkl the racists hate.They need someone to blame.

La Raza has been active for years
La Raza has been active for years. They have been in our colleges and high schools for decades... usually in the background. I have attended a meeting or two in my time, back in the 70's, just sitting an listening. They were smooth and cunning in their approach then... and I am sure they have perfected their abilities since.

Just as most socialist or left-wing or liberal groups are, La Raza has an agenda. But they don't invite you to hell all at once. Instead they lead you there, with a flaxen cord... and once they have you, you're hooked. So where we sit today in America, with political correctness run amok, and with the support of the main stream media and the modern Democrat party, groups like La Raza can now lead you there with legitimacy.

Excellent---
Michelle again writes an excellent column. I will say this again and again: those whining apologists for the illegals and la raza by all means should send us large money orders each month to pay for our taxes that are raised each year to support these parasites and their illegal rug rats.

My wife and I are of Skandinavian and Russian extraction so we are definitely minorities, so where are our scholarships, free meds, food stamps etc. Oh I forgot, we have worked hard all of our lives, saved, paid our taxes, and never had any hand outs. Plus we are caucasians. Keep up ;the good work Michelle and maybe it will finally get through to some of the libbies when they find themselves taxed to the limit and all the other bad things yet to come if the borders remain open and the 12-20 million illegals are given amnesty.

King Lib, and others

Guys, the anger about McCain's meeting with La Raza isn't about the meeting itself, and I'm sure you understand that.

If there was any hope at all that McCain was going to get up in front of them and tell them that "illegal aliens will NEVER be granted citizenship or regularization", you'd be hearing the cheers from Malkin to Coulter, right down to all of us anti-amnesty folks right here on TH....but we all know the chance of THAT happening is about as big as a comet landing in San Fran Bay tomorrow (as cheerful as THAT idea is).

We all KNOW what's going to happen. As has been pointed out in the comments, he's going there to try to get their votes. How do you think he plans on doing that? By telling them something they DON'T want to hear?


Puh-leeze.


La Race, (height of absurdity)
Complacency is our worst enemy.

Illegals protesting in la last year.
So Koreans protesting, (violently) due to
US beef imports.

Where are American voices?

A sad day is coming.
I see a lot of racism in America.
The myth of white racism is still going strong however.

Michelle is right on target as usual.
Let's be honest, in no other country would Illegals be treated to the benefits of citizens.
All countries protect the jobs and benefits of their citizens. The policy in place in the U.S is assinine and destructive. Politicians that pander to Illegals will never get my vote. This is not about discrimination or bigotry.
I,along with most Americans have no problem with those that come here legally.
If the system to expedite that process needs to be fixed...fix it. Instead special interests whom benefit from cheap labor, lobby the politicians to interfere with any attempt by local governements, frustrated by lack of federal enforcement, to remedy the situation.
Try going to Mexico to seek work, send your kids to school, or live on the dole as anon-citizen. Or any country for that matter.
LaRaza is exactly as Michelle described: an etnic based group that promotes specifically what is good for "the race". They also hold allegiance to Mexico and do not care about assimilating, but want to further "reconquita", taking back the southwestern states that they claim still belong to mexico.

Right, Mac

Hey! Let's just institute Mexico's OWN laws regarding illegal aliens in THEIR country:

Can't own any property.

If caught, all personal and real property is confiscated.

If caught, you will serve a prison term, followed by immediate deportation.

If deported once, you may NEVER again immigrate into Mexico legally.

Gee.... isn't what's good for the goose also good for the gander?


Yep, KingLib

It'll sure be interesting to see.

Whenever he talks about the issue nowdays, it's always "I've heard the American people; first, we have to secure the border", always leaving what's SECOND unsaid.

I think we KNOW what's "second".


Balkanization
La Raza & groups like them, thrive by pushing an agenda that calls for enclaves of ethnic groups, with rights within ONLY for those occupants of that enclave.
One law for all is NOT what they want. They want law that permits their way to thrive while suppressing or oppressing the rights or views of others & especially of any who disagree with their views.
The "Fairness Doctrine" is not intended to allow opposition views. Today we have thousands of talk radio outlets, yet the views these guys push get little listening. Talk radio & especially conservative talk radio is so wildly popular only because as the open market proves, it serves the consumers who want to hear the messages they deliver. Liberal talk radio is ignored by the majority of the populace because they do NOT want to hear the socialist agenda liberal radio delivers. The message is the problem & not law that restricts the speech of others will fix the fact the public does not want the liberal babble they deliver!
Hate is what these groups use to push their agendas. They do this because what they demand is not fair, ignores law & actually mocks it, and does not allow them to push their separatist agenda.
Securing the borders is NOT racist. Its good common sense since drugs, criminals, and possibly/probably terrorists come across America's most porous southern border, every day!

Ashamed
I'm now ashamed to be a San Diegan...although one very recent and not by choice (husband's military transfer).

-- Spike

Michelle's column
is right on! But it doesn't matter. Our spineless, Treasonous, so-called leaders, have done nothing and will do nothing to stop these racist illegal groups. And the Liberals will see to it that all their demands are granted.

I feel there will come a day, soon, that the patriotic American will have reached a breaking point! And will raise up and put a stop to it all! By force if necessary.

Agressive Activists & Supine Abettors
Ran a quick scan of Anti-Malkinite posters here. Did not find one instance of anyone even ATTEMPTING to rebut any of the statements of fact offerred by Malkin, much less do so effectively. I did, of course, find numerous scattered accusations of HER being a racist.

I hate to point this out to you pro-La Raza seditionists but you have managed only to confirm Malkin's argument.

McCain Hits Obama In Spanish Ad

McCain Hits Obama In Spanish Ad: He “Just Discovered” Hispanic Vote

Will this work?

Atlantic-John McCain’s college roommate, Frank Gamboa, says in a Spanish-language radio that “the other candidate has just discovered the importance of the Hispanic vote…”

watch


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-hits-obama- in-spanish-ad-he-just-discovered-hispanic-vote

McLame visiting these
agitators just shows that he has not changed on amnesty. He thinks he can get some votes there. In fact this amnesty was the straw that broke the conservatives back.

This group should get ZERO federal dollars and all those people in the streets should have been rounded up and required to show proof of legality, then deported.

But then, that will not happen with either of these candidates. Get ready folks, amnesty round 2 is coming and this time there will be no stopping it.

Big Issue
which has to be addressed on every level - especially in our cities and states. I think we all have problems within our own state which have been ignored for far too long.
So - Obama and a Democrat Congress would better handle this issue?? I don't think so.

One more fact about "The Race"
and all other racists and racial groups - not all racists are white but only whites can be called racists. Calling those of other ethnicities as racist is hate speech, calling whites racist isn't.

No Right to be Here
If you were not born here, and you have not gone through the long and difficult process of full naturalization, you do not have the right to be here. That's not just for hispanic illegals in the US, it's for EVERY non-citizen in ANY country, legal or not.

The only people who have the right to set foot in any country are the citizens of that country. Every country has the authority and duty to decide what foriegners are allowed in to visit, what foriegners are allowed in to stay, and what foriegners are made citizens.

Residency within a foriegn country (such as the US if you're Mexican) is a privilege and they who wish to reside in another country have to follow that country's rules. If you follow the rules about getting in, AND (not or) you follow the laws while you are there, you will probably be allowed to stay. If you sneak in the back door, or you break the law while you are here, you should be sent back where you came from.

It's no different from inviting guests into your house. If someone wants to come in your house, you have the right to allow or deny that privilege. If you let them in, they are only allowed to stay as long as you let them. If they stay too long, or they are disruptive, you can ask them to leave. If they try to sneak in while you're not looking you have the right to take appropriate measures to protect your property. In extreme cases, that may include violence.

It's worth noting...
... that groups like "The Race" also complain when illegal immigrants feel the consequences for crimes they commit AFTER they commit immigration violations. We hear about it all the time when illegals are arrested for burglary, drugs, or violent crimes. I seem to recall a story recently where a couple of illegals were shot while burglarizing some guy's house, and hispanic activists were all up in arms about racism and supporting the criminals. Fortunately the shooter was acquitted.

These people are not all harmless. They are not all just trying to get by in the "Land of Opportunity."

Awesome comments BrianR -Copy Mexico Law
>Reply # 11
>Hey! Let's just institute Mexico's OWN laws >regarding illegal aliens in THEIR country:
>Can't own any property.
>If caught, all personal and real property is >confiscated.
>If caught, you will serve a prison term, >followed by immediate deportation.
>If deported once, you may NEVER again >immigrate into Mexico legally.
>
>Gee.... isn't what's good for the goose also >good for the gander?

Absolutely right.
Too bad McBlame can't figure that out. I'm still deciding if the judge issue cancels out all the lies and crap that he's dumping on us.
Caio.

Happy Jake
I agree whole-heartedly, but please spell "foreign" correctly.

Mr Munck
Only a communist party hack, er... I mean a "Democrat" party operative would believe and state that Michelle is "strongly associated with racism". She is strongly associated with attacking and rebutting REAL racism.

but we see further where you're coming from when you descend into the attack the messenger with lies mode: "as Michelle Malkin really shouldn't be commenting on topics like this. It would be better if she stayed with hollywood gossip or fashion, things she's obviously more qualified for."

You have sunk quite low indeed.

Maybe Pres Bush or Pres McCain or Pres Barr should implement FDR's equal treatment towards different races?

jaymay
Thanks. I don't spell very well, usually.

La Raza can kiss my spanish rearend
None of they people are spanish and they should either speak english or go back to mexico. I am tried of lazy people who won't learn english. It is sad that 25 million people want to make 275 million people learn a new language because they are too lazy to learn english. either they learn english or GET OUT!

some impacts with
Illegal aliens:

"Because of the federal Emergency Treatment and Active Labor Act established in the mid-1990's, any illegal alien may receive medical treatment and an interpreter at a hospital without divulging their insurance, citizenship, or employment status.

Almost $190 million or about 25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to undocumented immigrants[27]

Also, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) continues to bring injured and ill undocumented immigrants to hospital emergency rooms without taking financial responsibility for their medical care.[28]

In 2006, the Oklahoma Health Care Authority estimated that it would spend about $9.7 million on emergency Medicaid services for unauthorized immigrants and that 80 percent of those costs would be for services associated with childbirth"


Ron
Very well said!

RE: Crazyhorse29 posts #19-20...

Of course, we all know not one word in either post is true....


SSGT
I have a question; when did child birth become an emergency?

Back in the 1800s women down here would give birth in the fields and go back to work after delivery.

Enough is enough already
It is disgusting how the race issue is really milking this election. While McCain is a man of character with more experience, if Obama was truly a man of character he would not be using racism as a means to win this election. The true racist’s in this election campaign are those who blame Obama’s lack of experience and qualifications on racism. Those whom are trying to invoke the guilt derived from racism into voter’s minds are guilty of a form of mass-deception, and it should be considered as a subtle but effective form of terrorism being used to try and win the presidency of our great nation! Terrorism. “An act of terrorism” - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion,… 18 U.S.C.A. § 3077.

Remember what PM Howard said in 2006

to the Muslims????

“And I have said, generally, all migrants … they have to integrate, and that means speaking English as quickly as possible, it means embracing Australian values and it also means making sure that no matter what the culture of the country from which they come might have been....

“And if any migrants that come into this country have a different view, they better get rid of that view very quickly."


That exact same message is precisely what both McCain and Marxist Obama should be saying to "The Race."

ANYTHING less is just pandering, and heaven knows, we've endured too much pandering already!!!

Vic
I think it became an emergency when it became "FREE"!!!

Just a guess.

SSGT
Good morning to ya.

I guess we'll all need to do one of two things:

1. Figure a way to successfully fight back against groups like La Raza that seek to undermine and destroy our country and culture and way of life.

OR

2. Learn to speak Mexican Spanish.

For my part, I don't speak spanish. I speak only English. Understand?

Translated for our non-English speaking illegal friends that want to flaunt our laws and undermine American sovereignty:

NO HABLO ESPANOL. HABLO SOLO INGLES!! COMPRENDE?

Brian
Of course, I have been saying what you said about Mexico's laws forever! even in regard to the terrorist attacks if the tables were turned and we were the perps. Do you think there would be any mercy? Fukkno.
Michelle again, points out the obvious facts and voila, here come the trolls.
(Gee, I wonder why Monkey girl hasn't posted her spew?)

Latino vote
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/0 00/015/303eesko.asp

Looks like there is no problemo with Obama getting the Latino vote as was largely suggested during the primaries. Sorry Mac:-(

To all the illegals and their supporters
Why don't you just cut the subversion and try and take land for your beloved mexico? Stop the doublespeak and misleading propaganda, and just take to the fields and streets and try and take what you can for the glory of mexico.

I really wish y'all would...Then you will find out that most of us Americans really are bilingual and trilingual and even quadralingual or more.

Hablo Smithandwesson, hablo Winchester, and hablo Ruger. Please start the war so I can display my linguistic abilities. Please.

@stephen in ny
and all other racists and racial groups - not all racists are white but only whites can be called racists. Calling those of other ethnicities as racist is hate speech, calling whites racist isn't.
-----------------------
Boo freakin hoo!! Though I'll admit some minority groups (Nation of Islam, KKK to name a few) really do believe they are superior to other races, the majority of them are designed to uplift and cater to their respective causes. That's just like groups advocating for Native Americans or Jews. I don't believe they feel superior to others , they just provide an outlet for support not found in the majority of the nation.

McCain doing a service...
There is a bright side to McCain's pandering to hispanics. Every time he, or any other politician does that, conservatives, and many democrats, go ballistic and the issue stays current in the news. When that happens, people get pi_ _ ed off and maybe will start throwing out the bumbs in Congress as just happened in Utah.

There's way too much being made of the Presidential election when the real power is in Congress. That's where our focus should be. It doesn't matter who becomes President.

here is more impact:
[edit] Gang violence
As of 2005, Operation Community Shield had detained nearly fourteen hundred illegal immigrant gang members.[163]

"The Salvadoran gang, known to law enforcement authorities as MS-13 because many members identify themselves with tattoos of the number 13, is thought to have established a major smuggling center in Matamoros, Mexico, just south of Brownsville, Texas, from where it has arranged to bring illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico into the United States. MS13 publicly declared that it targets the Minutemen, civilians who take it upon themselves to control the border, to "teach them a lesson", possibly due to their smuggling of various Central/South Americans (mostly other gang members, drugs, and weapons across the border. A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the twenty thousand member 18th Street Gang in California is illegal.[164]. "Mexican alien smugglers plan to pay violent gang members and smuggle them into the United States to murder Border Patrol agents, according to a confidential Department of Homeland Security memo obtained by the Daily Bulletin."[165]


dreadnaught
But neither have I any objection in a free society, to allowing John McCain the right to meet with La Raza. It isn't against the law. It doesn't make of McCain less of a loyal American.

It's within a legitimate and democratic path of political discourse.

Would you feel the same way if McCain spoke to the Daughters of the Confederacy or God forbid the KKK? Michelle isnt demanding the candidates not speak to this group what she wants to know is what any intellegent American wants to know and what did they promise and what is it going to cost the rest of us? The American people may be slow when it comes to these fringe groups but once they understand they will unite against them. As of La Raza being a fringe group all I have to say is that is how the NAZIs got control of Germany. They started out as a Socilaist Workers Party or in other words a labor movement. No one paid them any attention until it was too late. These people are dangerous and those of you who ignore them do so at your own peril.

Curtal Friar
a hardy morning to ya!

TheRealBlackMan
HEY!!!!
Did you grab some popcorn and peanuts last night, grab a front row seat with Obambi, and catch a youtube video of the skull puncturing process of partial birth abortion? Did your leg quiver?

Blood Boiling on This One:
"Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and La Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain … ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction.""

_________________________________

Then leave. GTFO of this country. Go. Now.

Just A Thought
Why isn't "the race" protesting Mexico for having their troops at the Guatemala border?

OH, for you envirenmentalist whackos
Chew on this for a while:
"It has been estimated that the average desert-walking immigrant leaves behind 8 pounds of trash during a journey that lasts one to three days if no major glitches occur. Assuming half a million people cross the border illegally into Arizona annually, that translates to 2,000 tons of trash that migrants dump each year." [170] Fred Patton, chief ranger at Organ Pipe, is quoted as saying: "We've now got 300 miles of illegal roads these people have cut through the desert, and thousands of miles of illegal trails they've created. We collect over 30 vehicles a year, and we measure the trash they leave behind, everything from cans and bottles to clothes, by the ton. And they've fouled the few water sources to the point they are too filthy now even for the animals to drink."[171]


Hey curtal friar
Where do I sign up?
I am a mccain supporter,but on this issue we part company [ also ANWR].

The way to get rid of these people is to cut welfare, then the native recipient class will get off their lazy butts and go to work and we won't "need" these folks anymore.

Anyone with half a brain knows they are taking American jobs and the GD gov't does nada about it. My son-in-law builds houses in NC, lots of construction on the beach, but the workers are all wetbacks.

I suggested getting a large noisy group together and picket the job sites, the squeeky wheel gets the grease, he felt the media would ignore them and they'd get arrested. The tourists are more important than local folks.
You know? he's right and that is a damn shame.

Civil War
I am convinced if this issue isn't addressed soon there may well be a civil war in this country. At some point Suzy Soccermom is gonna get a call from her darling's school that little Jessica was assulted by a group of illegals and is in the hospital. Just like what happened on 9-11 there is gonna be a big wake-up call and we will unite but by then the only course left will be the use of force. Do any of you open borders types remember the $hit storm caused when those three college kids were slain in Newark NJ or when the high school senior was murdered in LA while his mom was in Iraq? We are reaching the tipping point where there is no going back and once there all hell is gonna break loose. Let's just hope it doesn't get that far but I have my doubts. The War of Northern Agression was the result of politicans trying to play to the middle while ignoring the simmering discontent in the South. I have the bad feeling the country my grandchildren are going to inheret is not going to be a country I would like.

Happy Jake #35 is SPOT ON!

"No Right to be Here"

"If you were not born here, and you have not gone through the long and difficult process of full naturalization, you do not have the right to be here. That's not just for hispanic illegals in the US, it's for EVERY non-citizen in ANY country, legal or not.

"The only people who have the right to set foot in any country are the citizens of that country. Every country has the authority and duty to decide what foriegners are allowed in to visit, what foriegners are allowed in to stay, and what foriegners are made citizens."


Until such time as our elected officials start with THIS ABSOLUTE, they are doing all of us a disservice.



Curtal Friar, LOL!
I think many of us speak that kind of language. And are ready to Speak Up.

The problem is, they don't need to "take" land or anything else. The Politicians and Liberals will do the taking, and give it to them.

The Race?
And the snake hypnotizes its' prey with a suductive back and forth swaying, lulling said prey into a torpor, complacency and ambivilance. Striking, as a bolt shot from the mouth of a cannon, the prey is mortally struck, paralyzed with injected venom and becomes the snakes feast to be devoured at leisure.
Wake up U.S. citizens, you are the prey of the "RACE."

Opening Line
Michelle I agree with what you say most of the time...but your opening line is false. "Only in America could critics of a group called "The Race" be labeled racists." That's simply not true - if you put "The Race" in Britain or anywhere else in Europe for that matter, don't you think the same liberal types would criticize you as racist for pointing out the flaws of "The Race"? In fact, I bet they're doing it right now, and the group is not even there!

oh, and Canada too...

Seawolf and Goshawk and others
Like SSGT is doing here with his posts, talking about the very real problems caused by illegals with the trash dumping and groups like MS13 (Mara Salvatrucha), we need to make as many as possible aware of what the real situation is.

We need to get the average American aware and fired up.

And then we need to light the match.

I am not saying necessarily armed conflict, but the time is gone when we can afford to wait for possible legislative acts to strengthen the border. The way the politicians are acting, any measure they might pull off is going to be too little, too late.

We need to let the government know, in no uncertain terms, that either they act now to stop the madness and put an end to illegal immigration from the south and get rid of groups like MS13, or THE PEOPLE WILL !!

La Raza Charter Schools
I would like to comment on Malkin's point No. 3. The establishment of La Raza nationalist charter schools at taxpayer expense is similar to the controversy in Minnesota over Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy, a K-8 charter school. The use of the name "Aztlan" in one of the La Raza-sponsored charter schools is significant. Aztlan is the mythical place of origin of the Aztec peoples in their language (Nahuatl), . In Chicano folklore, Aztlan is often appropriated as the name for that portion of Mexico that was taken over by the United States after the Mexican-American War of 1846.

In this regard, there are a number of linked concepts and groups: Aztlan, La Raza ("The Race," as Malkin calls it) and MEChA. The acronym MEChA stands for "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan." or "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan." MEChA is an Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience. The radical members of MEChA who refer to themselves as "Mechistas," romanticize Mexican claims to the "lost Territories" of the Southwestern United States -- Aztlan. In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan. This is know as "La Reconquista," or The Reconquest. MEChA members refer to themselves as "La Raza" or "Raza," but the term itself is used to indicate camaraderie among those in different organizations with the same objectives. There are a number of organizations who consider themselves to be La Raza.

race versus race
Wait until La raza starts horning in on Jessies and Als.sugar daddies (corporate America)payoffs.Then you will see a real race war.

Yo Curtal Friar!! You are
right on the money. Where in our Constitution do illegal aliens have the same rights as American citizens? As far as La Raza goes they can take a hike. I'm getting a little fed up with their demands. Call me a bigot and a racist. I really don't give a tinker's da**.

SSGT/Roadkill58
If the migrants are truly fouling waterholes on their way North it will not be long before the killing starts. There are not very many things that will stir up hard feelings out West any faster than a water rights battle.

I am surprised that this hasn’t been widely publicized and it makes me think the government is trying to keep it hidden to prevent a war.


ssgt
Did you grab some popcorn and peanuts last night, grab a front row seat with Obambi, and catch a youtube video of the skull puncturing process of partial birth abortion? Did your leg quiver?
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No I missed that one. I thought I explained this clearly to you yesterday but I try again.

First, I do not personally agree with abortion.
That being said, I do not make my voting decision based on one or two issues. I look at the candidates as a whole and make a judgment call based on their policies and proposals for the future.
You seem to be hung up on the abortion issue. What do you think about killing innocent people in Iraq? Is that different because they are born already or that they are Muslim?

To me Obama's vision of the country is more in line with mine than McCain is. They are polar opposites on many issues that concern me, namely war, tax cuts, healthcare and the energy crisis. Just one man's opinion

My Take
I have many hispanic friends, and I speak enough Spanish to understand practically all of what I hear. This is what I found:

They truly believe that California and much of the U.S. western states were taken from Mexico wrongly. This is their land, their ancestors were here first, and some can trace their ancestry back to before their land was taken away. Hence, the Reconquista (re-taking, or re-conquering).

They truly believe that the U.S. liberals stupidly passed the laws that give them all the freebies: free health care, zero will to enforce immigration laws (cannot ask a Hispanic person for immigration status), and others. And all those laws are there for them. If not for them, then why were they passed?

The also know that their rate of having children is far greater than that of Anglos. They understand that it is only a matter of time before they become the majority of the voting populace because they are willing to have children.

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Considering a career change...
I'm thinking of cashing in the house, buying more rifles, ammo, and bulletproof vests, joining the Minutemen, and sitting on an outpost in southern Cochise county in Arizona (border county), and plugging just as many Mexicans as I can on a daily basis.

The Republicans had 12 years to fix this stinking mess and squandered it on making deals with the Democrats, and of course, who is the worst sellout of them all? McCain.

BrianR
Thanks much for the insight on Mexico's own policies toward illegals (do you have a cite for that?).
In a way, it's too bad that MM is addressing this issue. As usual, her snotty tone actually creates sympathy for the other side (and since her Rachel Ray/Dunkin Donuts idiocy, Michelle has little cred with anybody).

SSGT, Curtal Friar, Vic
Good morning!

Haven't had much time to post, since I'm on vacation, but this column was just too excellent to pass up!!!

Most of y'all know where I live, and if you didn't, the "y'all" should give it away, comprende? I speak for many Americans of Hispanic heritage when I say, they are tired of the illegal influx, and the crime that follows it like locusts on a plain.

And for many, "La Raza" is an affront to them. They have worked long and hard to assimilate here, and find it insulting when a group such as this tries to divide them.

RW opines:
"In a way, it's too bad that MM is addressing this issue. As usual, her snotty tone actually creates sympathy for the other side (and since her Rachel Ray/Dunkin Donuts idiocy, Michelle has little cred with anybody)."
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Says you...

El Racista
Isn't one of their goals to get part of the U.S. returned to Mexico? I could agree to that, as soon as they return Mexico to it's original occupants.

As far as rights, I do think the illegals should have the same rights we enjoy. When we break the law, they are called Miranda Rights.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law..."

Miranda Rights for illegal employers, too!


Exactly what is the "race"
Just goes to show how IGNORANT the "la raza" crowd really is.. Exactly what IS the race of "la raza". mexican, south american... hispanic??? NO Caucasian (aka white)...

They invade America, invade our schools and can't even get that right... hispanic is an ethnicity not a race STUPID F***s

RW: Spoken like a true limited lib..

"do you have a cite for that?" Can you google? What is it with the libs that they can't do their own homework???

But here's one for you....

http://ncvoiceblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/mexicos-immigra tion-law-lets-try-it-here-at-home/

And YES, the US should be doing AT LEAST as much as they do in Mexico regarding illegal aliens!!!


And, typical of the limited libs, when you haven't anything else, you attack the messenger.

It's actually YOU who has little... ooops, NO cred with anyone.

And to think,
These folks want us to welcome the illegals with open arms. What the H*ll makes them think they are entitled to anything?

Did you know that an American (or any other foreigner) are not allowed, by law, to get a driver's license in Mexico.

15 Things
I see two that blair at me like what a deer sees at knight when a car comes at it.
McCain and BHO, it is not a dimes worth of difference with immigration. They both think the same.
The "third Party's" are not much better in some of what they push. You got one that would do away with the drug laws. The other has met with Governors and Presidents, so big whoop I have too. From Jimmy C. to Billy Boy. I don't fill I am qualified to be president.

An issue; Michelle wrote
"The unvarnished truth is that the group is a radical ethnic nationalist outfit..."

Actually, La Raza is only as "nationalistic" as Vidkun Quisling who surrendered his own country (Norway) to be part of a "Greater Teutonic Reich"--due to its being a non-even-secret part of Mexican foreign polcy against "friendly" US (IMO, Pakistan's policies to India since 1980 have been far friendlier--and I'm not even joking).

So, I will repeat my call to Canadian tempworkers, students and their dependents in US to aid their American neighbours--DO NOT surrender your Canuck driving licences until the first expiry/renew-by date after you have your Green Card in hand!

Who is King Liberal?

Last year, King Liberal could barely spell. Couldn't form a thought. Used plenty of street slang and lingo. And didn't use any big words in his comments.

Now a more educated and articulate King arises. Yet, he still can't grasp common sense?

How can one be on a nice learning curve in America and not see that the Great Obama is nothing more than a slick-talking Marxist, Hell bent on taking away the fruits of King's education and handing it down to lazy, envious, good-for-nothings.

Go ahead King, vote with my felonious, non-child support paying, lazy, drunkard brother-in-law. He'll be more than happy to doctor-shop for prescription drugs with his socialist health care and your tax dollars.

And don't expect a thank you :)






My Take - more
They do not want to assimilate, nor do they have to. At least in California, there are entire suburbs or enclaves where English is not spoken. This is normal out here. And, the other language is not always Spanish.

We have areas in Los Angeles with official labels as Koreatown, Little Tokyo, Little Saigon, and others. So, why should Hispanics try to learn English and assimilate?

They also know that there is no longer any social stigma for not being able to speak English - a topic on which Peggy Noonan has written so eloquently.

And, at least in California, employees have the legal right to speak any language they choose at work, unless it will adversely affect the business. This is a fairly recent law.

Finally, they see their culture as superior in many ways compared to the decadent, depraved and disgusting American culture. Hispanic culture esteems love, family, church, and modesty in their women, among others. The utter filth spewing from Hollywood films, TV shows, radio shock jocks, is not what they want. They have their own Spanish language TV channels, radio stations, stores, churches, and do not need to assimilate.

As Mark Steyn wrote in his book America Alone, (paraphrased), only those with the will to reproduce will survive. And, those who reproduce more will gain the political power. Take a look at a wedding photographer's window displays in a Hispanic neighborhood. Count the number of bridesmaids and groomsmen. Then do the same in an Anglo neighborhood.

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RealBlackMan says: "To me Obama's vision

of the country is more in line with mine than McCain is. They are polar opposites on many issues that concern me, namely war, tax cuts, healthcare and the energy crisis."

Aaahhh, so you're a Marxist too?


Real Black Man
You scribbled:
What do you think about killing innocent people in Iraq? Is that different because they are born already or that they are Muslim?

This statement makes absolutely no sense. Civilians are not targeted in Iraq. It is an unfortunate thing that occurs in war. And not just the war in Iraq. Innocent civilians have been killed in every war since the beginning of time.

Your statement is just another liberal anti-war anti-American rant.

Change
Carol Marin picks up on something that some of you noticed the other day…

What do Barack Obama, the legislative morass in Springfield, and a constitutional convention have in common? A lot, according to United Power for Action and Justice, a Chicago-based social action network of 300 religious, labor and civic organizations.

United Power’s Gregory Pierce fired off a letter to Sen. Obama Tuesday. The first paragraph says it all:

“Our nonpartisan organization . . . was surprised to learn that David Axelrod’s public relations firm has negotiated a contract of at least $2 million to lead a campaign against the state’s best chance for change in 20 years — the upcoming referendum on whether or not the citizens of Illinois should call a constitutional convention to deal with the mess in Springfield. While your campaign manager is heading a presidential effort whose slogan is “Change you can believe in,” his firm is running a local campaign whose slogan should read, “Change we must fear and undermine.”

Our politicians are crippling USA.
What is affirmative action?
Once started down a road it's hard to turn back.
Meanwhile there are hard working Americans keeping the country moving along. THey are trying to raise their children by their Faith and traditions not by teaching them to play the government system as victims and husslers.
Why would McCain give these RACE people the time of day? THis is not open mindedness. How could they possibly be good for our country? Why is McCain running for president?

NOT Immigrants
True immigrants are people who move to the US in order to enjoy the freedoms and opportunities that they cannot get elsewhere. They admire America and all that it stands for.

Groups like La Raza are bent on insurrection. They see the American Southwest as theirs, and America as an occupying power. They actually believe that America stole the most prosperous part of Mexico, rather than acknowledging that Texas and California are only prosperous because they are no longer part of Mexico.

I love immigrants, and believe that many of the most patriotic Americans are those who have experienced the alternative in their homelands (think Ayn Rand).

But invaders must be stopped.

la raza
it's obvious that both the dims and the repub leadership have no problem with the illegals. Thjat's because these rich folks don't have to live in places where the illegals infest. They are liiving where illegals are committing their crimes and stealing our social services.

At best the only time rich folks see illegals is when they come to provide lawn services for their years.

That la raza not only wants special treatment and access they also claim they want a return of calif, ariz and new mexico.

But while we should encourage legal immigration congress can't find the time or the will to do the necessary reforms to fix a broken system.

Yet it remains hard to blame people looking for the opportunity to make their lives better. We see many hispanics standing outside home depot or lowes looking for work.

But that is refreshing compared to never seeing blacks in the same economic strata competing for the same jobs. Perhaps america should pull a switch with mexico. We should exchange our hapless black underclass that is content to live on the dims plantation relyiong on entitlement handouts and take the hispanics willing to come and work.

That would be a win win for both countries. We would get the workers we need and mexico would get a shiftless population willing to lay around and not challenge the corrupt mexican political system as long as the welfare checks kept up. Let's start by trading nola for some city south of the border. Later we could work trades for detroit, cleveland, inidianapolis, chicago and newark

Mexico
It is a mistake of history when the USA did not take over all of Mexico during the war with Mexico. We could have provided a good life and opportunity for Mexicans. Instead, these basically good and kind hearted people are trapped by corruption, greed and criminal behavior in their own country.

Michelle Malkin great Article
I always say you are not only beautiful, intelligent and a great thinker - you continually fight the good fight for the American citizen.

That being said, are you sure these 15 points aren't the Democrat Platform?

cleverness:You're right, there is a HUGE

difference between "immigrants" and "illegal aliens."

Unless someone came here with the appropriate "legal papers" they are simply "illegal aliens" and "law breakers."

Other terms, such as "undocumented workers" etc., are just euphemisms to cover up the real problem.


@cubie
It is an unfortunate thing that occurs in war. And not just the war in Iraq. Innocent civilians have been killed in every war since the beginning of time.

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That being the case, wouldn't war be the last thing you would advocate? You call it anti-war or anti- American. I'll go with the label of Christian instead.

@ Anne who spouts
Aaahhh, so you're a Marxist too?
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LOL!! I think the correct term is Afro-Marxist...you forgot socialist, communist and the most common one racist!!!(I've picked up a lot on these blogs)
Whatever -ists you want to label me is what I'll be. Whatever gets you through your day, hun. It amazes me that so many people posting at Townhall are certified psychologists and sociologists that know how people think and why. Thank you for the free session!!
Anne=my own Dr. Melphi


Re: SSGT post 16
Along with all the trash and gangs- here in Texas every Spring we deal with the burning of the Mexican Farmland. The pesticide fields ( I think it's called DDT, banned in the US) is burned and smoke engulfs our region. It is so bad at times our school children cannot play outside and we have advisory warnings, elderly citizens are told to stay indoors. Where is Al Gore When You Really Need Him??

water carrier
I am trying to make sense of your post.

So you have no problems with illegals because they are just looking for work, but you have issues with rich people and blacks.

You should not use generalization to degrade a group of people.

You will find that most folks who are against illegal immigration have no issues with law abiding legal immigrant coming to this country looking for work, not handouts.

realblackman
Abortion is different than war-American troops do not kill innocent people. It's the terrorists who kill their own, kind of like "brothers" killing their own:(
Tax cuts-I take it that as a realblackman you like to take from the rich white man and distribute the money to "more deserving" part of the population? Nice:(
Energy crisis-I guess you think that "messiah" will build cars running on wind energy. Ignorant people should not vote. Your liberal leaders (Pelosi) promised in 2006 a "sensible" way to lower gas prices (gas was only $2.59/gallon then). How is Obambi going to fix it without getting our own oil? Is he going to turn water in gas?
Health Care crisis- I don't want to pay for your health care. I am working too hard to provide it for my kids. Get a job! Obama better stay away from my pockets. Like they say: "if you think that healthcare is expensive now, wait when it's free..." Obambi has no answers beside old ideas that have been proven not to work.

Democrats and Diversity

The core of racism is the notion that the individual is meaningless and that membership in the 'collective' - ones race - is the source of ones identity and value.

Liberal and Democrat 'Diversity' entails exactly the same premises as racism - that one's ideas are determined by one's race and that the source of an individual's identity is his ethnic heritage.

Democrats and Liberals teach that 'diversity' brings unity to America.

The fact is, Assimilation of diversity brings unity to America.

Democrats and Liberals teach that requiring 'one language' will not help in communicating with other Americans or pursuing the 'American Dream'.

Democrats and Liberals teach that whatever 'feels good' and gives one 'self esteem' instead of working hard is the 'collective salvation' of America.

Malkin
Malkin is a riot. She's too afraid to call B Hussein Obama the racist that he is, but she lambasts the "elite" for being scared to give it to "La Raza".

Some History
It would behoove every American to go to the library and research the internet for the history of the Mexican-American war. All of this business about the “wrongfulness” of the war is more propaganda from the liberals and people who love reinterpreting history under the thoughts and mores of a liberal 20th century vs the way things were done and thought of in the 19th century.

While true a major driver for the war was the theory of Manifest Destiny” there were other factors involved. At the time Mexico was involved in one of it’s many internal civil wars that seem to happen every 10 years or so. During these period there would be many raids across the border in which either the rebels or the “official” Mexican Army would kill American in wholesale raids on U.S. towns and villages. Also, the Mexicans did not recognize the independence of Texas (or some of them didn’t).

Some of these raids were done by the rebels with the intention of CAUSING the U.S. to declare war on Mexico and thus kill off the official Mexican Army.

Well, in short, they were successful. There was one too many raid at the same time a lot of people in the U.S. were clamoring for the war. War was declared and the Mexican Army defeated in short order. Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the war and Mexico was forced to give up more land, which the U.S. also paid them for. At the time, nobody knew of any value of the land other than simple farm land mixed with mountains and desert.

cont..

pt 2

One must keep in mind that this was a treaty which, when ratified, is considered Supreme Law. The only way for the Mexicans to get this land back would be to orchestrate a new treaty or invade and conquer this country.

It looks like for the past 10 or 15 years they have been approaching it from both angles. Members of the Mexican government have policy advisors with BOTH campaigns, they have an army of illegal migrants invading, and we have been going South to conduct treaty talks many times in the last 10 or 15 years.

All it would take now would be our own Quisling president to conduct a treaty that would give it back.

Democrats and Coercion
The most important tenet of Liberals and Democrats is to separate actions from consequences - 'War on Poverty' is good, do not look at the collateral damage - "Please they Beg look at our intentions instead".

This blather emanates from such Liberal intellectual giants like Maxine Waters who wanted the 'Sun Lander' to land at night to protect the sensitive equipment from heat damage and Dennis Kuchinich who believed his kitchen table and cat were from the same species because both had four legs.

Democrats want to 'coerce' compassion from all Americans for the sake of the 'common good'.

Obama makes it clear that 'compassion without coercion' is useless in America.

Obama states in his article in 'Parade Magazine' addressing the question "What is Patriotism?" that "True Patriotism means a willingness to Sacrifice for our Common Good".

"Anti Americans fo Home"
Excellent article.

I am an American by choice, and I want one country not a 'mosaic' of acountry.

I do not want hyphen-Americans only Americans.

I came from Mexico and I abide by the US Laws and customs. I love this country, my new country and I wish all of those enemies of the US to go back where they came from.

Congratulations to Mrs. Malkin

Robert
Sorry

Robert

True indeed!

C'mon Ssgt
post #55
You know Sen. McC will tell us all "they are God's children" too.

I fear there will be a backlash that could escalate into something fierce and violent.
American citizens are getting tired of being treated as second class citizens in their own country. I'm first generation American on my mothers side (she came 85 yrs ago) and second
on my Dad's (gr.pts came as children in the 1880's) yet I feel like I'm the illegal alien in my own country.
We need to clean house. It will be interesting to see how McC manages his pandered speech. He will either tick off a whole lot of conservatives and Repuglicans AND Democrats or
he will say a lot of nothing to mollify the racists gang of thugs he will be speaking to.
Obama will say something he will back off 10 minutes after he leaves the meeting.
I bet if we followed the money, we'd find some very interesting bedfellows among our elected elites. Ramos and Campeon weren't jailed for shooting that creep, they were jailed because some in high places didn't want Americans to
know just how corrupt our system has become.
Payoffs and Kickbacks aint just for DemonRATS in Chicago.

Oh the irony of it all...
All of these so called progressive groups demand unity from the country, throw their support behind Obama in the name of unity, and out of the other side of their mouths divide this country with every word they speak regardless of the language it is spoken in.

All of these groups, most especially the race based groups, are racist dividers in their bid for "Look at Me for I am Special!"

Your not so special, including you Real Black Man, whom I am betting is not a real black man.
DNA anyone?

I think every white person in America should start joining these groups and expose them for the racists that they are. But what do we expect when our very own Congress divides along racist lines and groups?

And we let them.

NEWSFLASH this just in!
The United States Postal Service may issue 3 commerative stamps in honor of Barack Obama.

The first stamp in the series will have the entire resume of Barack Obama and his picture.

The second stamp in the series will list the entire 'Change' that will be good for America when Barack Obama is President.

The third stamp in the series will list the entire 'Hope' for America in solving the 'Racial Divide' when Barack Obama is President.

Order your Commerative Stamps today before the USPS goes bankrupt because of the High Gas Prices brought to America by Barack Obama and the Democrats.

RBM (#97): Okay so called Christian...

Concerned about the innocent Iraqis? How about this????

“Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
“Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53 103

“Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

“Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001”

NOTE: These figures are as of 2006… Who knows what it is today 2008!. Where is your Christian concern for THESE INNOCENT people?
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And yes, HUN, if Marxist Obama’s platform is more in agreement with you, then you are a Marxist…..

But interesting that you’re first an “Afro-Marxist.” Why always “Afro-something?

We don’t hear any other “ethnic” group refer to themselves as.. “Jewish-American” or “European- American.” And I certainly don’t call myself “English-American.”


Gotta Luv BO and McCain
Both of these nuts are going to address LaRaza?

BO and McLame both need to take MM's 15 points and tell LaRaza that if these points are indeed any part of LaRaza's agenda they as president will use all the power that office of to fight them on every single point. It might set off a riot with more than a few busted heads but if either candidate had the testicular endowment to do it they would win in Nov in a landslide!

AM I A RACE ?
My background is English, Irish & American Indian.

Why is that only those with darker skin are considered Mexican, Black, Asian etc and white people are considered "white" no matter what country their ancestors come from?

Real Black Man
Your question was it's not OK to kill babies, but it is ok to kill civilians in Iraq. Your insinuation is that our fighting men and woman in Iraq are targeting and intentionally killing innocent civilians. Nice way to show your support for the troops.

One more Lib way to denegrate America
Guess what, this is just one of many ways the Left has found to trash America and break down this country into feuding factions...so they can take over while no one is looking.

The only solution is to consider them the enemy and treat them accordingly.

Why The Halo On Obama?
I have seen photo's of Obama on the internet and he seems to always have some kind of halo or aura surrouning his head.

Does he actually pose for these photos or is someone doctoring them to make him look like a Messiah or something.

Immigrants, Aliens or Invaders?
For the sake of clarity, note that the dictionary defines 'Immigrant' thus: "a person who migrates to a country for permanent residence", and 'Alien' as "a person born in, and (a citizen of), a country other than the one in which he lives".

The vast majority of illegal aliens here have no desire to reside here permanently, much less to assimilate and become US citizens. Considering that the US minimum wage is 8-10 times Mexico's, it's no mystery why they are here: one day's work here pays what it would take them 2 weeks to earn at home. By living 'on the cheap', they can return home after a few years and live in grand style.

La Raza & MEChA's stated agenda is more insidious: the outright invasion and gradual political takeover of the US Southwest, and the eventual displacement or expulsion of English-speaking Asians, Blacks and Whites from the region, and eventual secession from the US.

Gustavo et al
Welcome to America brother citizen!

Illegal aliens and Illegal immigrants (same thing) are not Americans and deserve NO RIGHTS in America.

Retired Geek
re: "That being said, are you sure these 15 points aren't the Democrat Platform?"

Sadly, these "goals" are actually too watered-down and too tame to be the goals of our democrats/liberals.

I mean what's "opposing security measures" compared to regularly providing classified information to your enemies.

Michelle Obama Defines Racism

"There is no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost". Michelle Obama

American Hispanics
There have been honored Hispanics throughout our history. In Texas they stood shoulder to shoulder with other ethnic Texans to fight Santa Anna for independence. Many Texans have been bilingual including whites for generations. I'm sure the same is true for all other border states and Florida. These same generations of Hispanics are proud Americans that speak excellent English, have excelled personally and have served their country in all wars. They still celebrate their ancestry but they never forget or fail to honor America.

That's where these racist like Raza and CAIR miss the boat. America allows them to exist and to cheat the system. But Americans will stop them in their tracks when they try to carve up up. And the time has come. We must all stand up to these racist divisives and their dim compadres and shut this down. THIS YEAR!

Globug asks Why The Halo On Obama?
Obama -> Cult

Obama in his self assumed role as 'messiah' and the 'Obamaites' who dutifully worship him all exhibit the properties of a cult.

Obamaites shout I love you and Obama shouts back, I love you too.

Obamaites faint in his prescence 'slain in the spirit' of the prophetic words he espouses.

Obamaites have sensual experiences - 'shivers' in their extremities and involuntary 'orgasmic' feelings in his prescence.

Obamaites chant until exhaustion "Yes We Can" and have cultic visions of 'Hope' and 'Change'.

One wonders when Obama will reveal the 'Mother Wheel' of Farrakhan and all the 'little wheels'.

WoW!

Bob Munck writes
" person as strongly associated with racism as Michelle Malkin really shouldn't be commenting on topics like this. It would be better if she stayed with hollywood gossip or fashion, things she's obviously more qualified for"
Your drivel is not fit for Hollwood gossip.
Do you ever have anythink positive to say about anything? Must suck to be you

Anne
"What is it with the libs that they can't do their own homework???"

Jeez Anne, you've been doing so much meth you're really crankin' today. Note that I AGREED with Brian. But we conservatives have as much of an obligation to source our statements as anyone else. And yes, I'm a conservative, and have been since your parents were still just each other's first cousins.

Anne
You bring up a very good point.

4,000 deaths in Iraq = "A disaster!! A failure!! We must retreat now!!"

In the same period, we get more than 30,000 Americans killed by illegal aliens (in their backyard!) and we get crickets.

King Liberal - Global Idiot
King Liberal - Global Idiot writes: "...maybe you would do better to stick to the topic at hand? Hmmmm?..."

Carlos hitting a sore nerve?

King Liberal - Global Idiot, if you listened to Carlos and followed everything he has said - you might advance yourself towards becoming a productive American instead of your current status.

King Liberal - Global Idiot are you one of the Obama supporters who stand in front of Obama with open mouth and 'Hope'?

Re: La Raza!!
If you really want to know wherw this country is headed I sudjest that you study the Rise and fall of the Roman Empire. I believe that this country needs to do something about this situation in a big hurry. Other countries have extremely harsh laws on illegal immigration. I don't understand the problem with the 520 people who run this country!

icedog et al
icedog wrote: "...re: "That being said, are you sure these 15 points aren't the Democrat Platform?"

Sadly, these "goals" are actually too watered-down and too tame to be the goals of our democrats/liberals.

I mean what's "opposing security measures" compared to regularly providing classified information to your enemies..."

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icedog I stand corrected - the goals of the "Race" are much to watered down than be the goals of the Democrats.

Illegal Aliens Are NOT Immigrants


Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. They break many laws to continue their illegal presence in the U.S.
The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with (legal) immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty. The debate must center on the willful disregard for the laws of this country. Americans have been a welcoming people. We just want people to respect us, our country, our history, our culture, our language and our laws.

Common Sense on Immigration
Just thought I would take this opportunity to repeat a common sense notion I have expressed before regarding illegal immigration and to which no one has ever responded. I expect no one will this time either.

This is a government of self-rule; of, by and for the people. Can that system be sustained when its citizenry is not educated as to how that system of government works?

If our concern really is, as it ought to be, that immigrants have and should continue to play a vital role in helping to make this country great, then why are our efforts focused on making illegal immigrants legal as opposed to streamlining the legal immigration process by which our new citizens can learn how this system of government works and can participate intelligently in it? It is bad enough that too many native born citizens seem not to understand how and why our system of government works the way it does but that is another issue.

Nowhere have I ever seen or read in any sort of amnesty proposal, always predicated on the value of immigrants to this country, that includes educating these people as to how our system of government works Unless and until I do, I have to question the real intent of those who advocate for illegal immigrants. Or is the idea just to get their uninformed votes?

RW: Sorry. I stand corrected.
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So called Racist
The word racist is worn out,and is used as a poor excuse when nothing else works.Truth is some people can't take the truth,as some can't be Americans.

"robert" from TX
FYI - there is another "Robert" from Texas who posts on these threads - usually using a host of screen names ending in "29" (See Colt29 above), although he does sometimes use his old moniker of "Robert".

You seem like a bright conservative, so, trust me - you don't want ANYONE to mistake you for him!

You might want to consider a different nickname, which you can easily change by going to the "My Account" page.

Cheers!

re: " the Race"
No matter what "the Race" propounds, John McCain must stand tall and state that the border must be secured as a pre-condition to any other discussion about illegal immigrants. To not say this will be political suicide for his candidacy. He learned last year, the hard way, that he can't buck the will of the voting American public. We do pay attention.

Real Reason Democrats want illegals
The real reason Democrats and Liberals do not want 'Real Immigrants' and instead want illegal aliens. Democrats and Liberals do NOT want to impose on others what they would NOT do themselves. The Oath of Allegiance is required of legal immigrants.
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The Oath of Allegiance
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

From U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services


re: " the Race"
No matter what "the Race" propounds, John McCain must stand tall and state that the border must be secured as a pre-condition to any other discussion about illegal immigrants. To not say this will be political suicide for his candidacy. He learned last year, the hard way, that he can't buck the will of the voting American public. We do pay attention.

To Raymond
Your last sentence says at all, other than the vast majority of illegal immigrants have no interest in learning English. This is important.

You can't teach them how our government is intended to operate through an interpretor.

Woody from Iowa

I have a suggestion
Instead of building a fence to secure the borders of the United States

Build the fence securing a border around Washington DC and let no one in or out.

Have an election to rid all present politicians and replace them with American who will take 'The Oath of Allegiance' and start solving Americas problems.

The slogan could be 'Out With the Old' in With the New' - now that is 'Change' I could believe in!

Arian Nation are God's children too
So were the Nazis. It's amazing what some of God's children will do to undermine the good done by other children of God. I'll stick to my tribe and the other tribe who wants to destroy my tribe can go back to doing what they do in their own country. If their culture is better than ours, wy don't they fight for it in THEIR country.

Retired Geek quote
If Retired Geek's quote of Mrs BO is correct she is only paraphrasing THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM which is one of the pillars of her church of 20+ years, Trinity UCC.

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM includes having its followers make these pledges:
1)make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black community.
2) allocate regularly a portion of personal resources to strengthening and supporting Black institutions.
3) pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the BLACK VALUE SYSTEM.
4) measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the advancement of Black People towards freedom.

It seems that Mr and Mrs BO belonged to a church that clearly divides this country along racial lines when it proclaims "all activity is measured by its contribution to the black community." Yes indeed here are the man and woman to unite us all as long as blacks are first in line!


Cheerleader Michelle can lead us all in a few rousing cheers for the messiah BO!
"Yes we can!" "Yes we can!" Yes we can!"

Kinda makes a shiver run up leg or makes you shutter at the stupidity of it all!


RW question
RW are you one of those Libertarians who call themselves Conservative?

With all of the 'moral values' of the far left or worse?




La Raza
The majority of Americans...don't want every illegal person simply deporte.

Maybe the majority of Americans doen't but I do. I don't care how many millions of illegal immigrants there are in this country or where they came from but I believe they should all be rounded up and deported back to whatever country they came from. My grandparents came here legally from Norway and Italy. There is no reason why the illegals in this country should be given a free pass--no guest worker programs or anything else. Many Hispanic supporters of illegals make the claim that illegal immigrants are not criminals. Well, I disagree. They all are. If they are in this country illigally then they are breaking the law. And when someone breaks the law then they are criminals! And just look at how many of them are committing crimes after they come here. Get them out of here! If immigrants want to live in this country then they can do it legally the way my grandparents did.

Real Black Man
And what about those innocent civilians killed when we pulled out of Vietnam? To the tune of 3 million!

Seems liberals would like to see a repeat of that in the ME.

Your false humanitarianism is exposed.

Well...duh!
I find myself uttering one of three words every time I read a post by King Liberal:

Stupid!
Idiot!
-OR-
Duh!

In this case, I had to use all three. KL says that McCain doesn't represent conservative values...well, duh! I wonder where he came up with that one! We should give him an award for finally posting something that has the tiniest smidgen of intelligence in it!

The fact is, conservatives didn't elect McCain. Moderates, a.k.a independents, soccer moms, democrats that vote in open primaries, idiot youth voters who think he's so cute because he's old, and the mainstream media did. (Check out Ann Coulter's latest article--and yes, KL, there is a "u" in her last name...some people can spell)

CONSERVATIVES voted for ROMNEY.
CONSERVATIVES know that McCain is the lesser of two evils.
And, most importantly, CONSERVATIVES are the glue that have held the country together since its inception.

Most sources recognize George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and Theodore Roosevelt as the five greatest presidents in history.

Of these, 3 were REPUBLICANS, and the other two would have been if the party existed.

Can you imagine Washington at a campaign rally for Obama?

Can you picture Jefferson proudly pulling the lever for B. Hussein?

Neither can I!

KL, if the rest of the nation would vote like the red states, most of our problems would be solved. In fact, let's just rid ourselves of the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean states and we're good.

West Virginia should be ashamed to claim KL is from that state.

King Liberal...
Just post something that actually makes sense, and I'm sure the world would be much kinder to you.

American has laws and rules.
We are a country that is free but with laws that are being ignored by certian states and cities. A city that does not follow the laws, and gives aid to someone here ilegally should lose all their federal aid monies they receive. We need to look at what has happen in Europe and all the problems they are now having. Do we want to end up the same way with a government that takes care of us from birth to the grave. Controls every aspect of our lives, that is what I think they are using Global Warming for, a back door to control. If the Left get their way we will end up like the European countries. That is what our forefathers came to America for. Freedom, that is what is at stake here.

The "Che Myth" works on the un-educated
Che is not too unlike the Obama mystique when it comes to brainwashing youth to radicalism. It all starts with education at an early age to immunize young minds who are naturally predisposed against authority, laws and institutions. I used to be one of them until I grew up and became a parent. Then you have cumulative white guilt ... almost a synonym for mainstream media ... an unfortunate one-two punch. The Republican party MUST be re-branded to combat this. Not revamped. Re-branded.

Alec
nice smack-down on King Nuthead.

BrianR-Vic-Anne-Ssgt-Lolo-CCom-RG-CFriar
and Others.

GOOD MORNING!

Stiff Enforcement of Existing Laws + A Crackdown on Hiring illegals will put ‘The Race’ in ‘A Race’ back to Mexico. I give you The Okie Solution.

Georgetwin
good day to ya!

Punkahue must really be hungover today. I have not seen the puke yet!

Icedog: Still just crickets.
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Ssgt and ALL OTHER VETS
When Hal Drunkahue shows up, I STRONGLY encourage you to JACK HIM UP about Weasely Clark, John Fairy and Billary Cankleton disparaging remarks about Veterans. WE HAVE CAUGHT HIM in a MONUMENTAL LIE and I say YOU VETS should SHOVE IT SO FAR UP HIS A$$, that you get toothpaste on your knuckles.

Retraction -- I meant Osama, not Obama
In re: to my Che Cuevera analysis re La Raza recruitment. My bad.

La Raza?
La Raza has the potential to get a lot of Mexican Nationals killed, POR NADA!

As to who the illegals will vote for?
The illegals a re predominantly Catholic.
How will they vote when they learn Democrats are predominently Antireligious Atheists?

The only States with illegal problems are the States who WANT the illegals.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/19/mexican-state-whines- about-influx-of-mexican-workers/

Georgetwin
did I miss something???
Source me please!

Free Speech
La Raza has the right to free speech to express their opinions, and Michelle Malkin, thank God, has the same right. Thanks, Michelle, for tying the list of LaRaza accomplishments together. This also exposes the foolishness of many of our Federal Government programs, handing out money to support anti-American agendas. The Federal Government's bloated spending needs to be curtailed and at least John McCain talks about it. I hope he is serious about following through.

Steve
Colorado

Virginia Patriot
You nailed it. The lib machine is trying to beef up their pitiful numbers with illegal votes by smearing anti-illegal Americans and fighting photo ID's. We have to get the word out in a mass effort to the ones who don't pay attention. Vote out these lib dims before its too late. We need a temp work visa or jail for every illegal or employer to come forward or else. This isn't rocket science.

Lolo1 - Obama and Genocide?
Associated Press
Fri., July. 20, 2007
"SUNAPEE, N.H. - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."

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I trust you are doing well? Continued prayers for you.

MyOpine
I moved to my current Location in 1984. ALMOST NO Latin Population at the time. In the early 90’s, I was a bouncer in downtown Baltimore for a few years. A Latin Group bought an old building and started a church, The Latin Population EXPLODED! Coincidence, I THINK NOT!

RW
RE: post #126
Liars often come here with self imposed labels.
The way you insult real Conservatives, I doubt you are a Conservative.
You act more like one of Nancy Pelosi's boytoys she hands ot as Party Favors.

http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52091

Ssgt
Weasely Clark, Bill Clinton and John Kerry all made slighting remarks of veterans. Drunkahue CONSTANTLY save he is THE GREAT DEFENDER of Veterans, but we haven’t heard a peep out of him. Hal has handed you a club, BEAT HIM BLOODY! Links ASAP!

Hate speach La Raza
Hate speach - THE Race

Hate speach - flag burning

Hate speach - learn English first

Hate speach - Bush and faciest in same sentence.

But hate speach not much of a issue when used by democrats.

For SSGT (#152)
I guess he handed off the typing to his alter-ego wobbie the ragpicker (using handle of "colt29"); I'll concede the logic hole that wobbie isn't any more capable of sober thought (is Hal donkeyhue ever actually sober?).

As an aside, I think I just thought of the right presidential candidate--former Calgary Northeast MP Dr. Alex Kindy:
(1) staunchly conservative, including fiscally
(2) votes constituents' conscience over "party line" (which got him tossed from PC caucus in 1990)
(3) was castigated for insisting on Blot tests as as step in proving eligibility for immigration (admittedly to Canada rather than US) or refugee/asylum; and hawkish on enforcement of immigration laws (views not known on border security, since Canada has land-border ONLY with US)
(and since Oblahma hasn't come forward with a proven US birth certificate, I'll say he opened the doors for the Warsaw-born Dr. Kindy)

Happy Jake
I think the circumstance you talked about earlier was the PATRIOT Joseph Horne in Pasadena Texas. His neighbors had asked him to keep an eye on their house while they were away. PATRIOT Horne saw two men breaking into the house and called 911 and got his 12 ga pump. He was on the phone with the police when the men were coming out of the house. He told the police he couldn't wait 'cause the men were getting away. He wound up shooting and killing the men. From what I remember they were illegal aliens from Columbia. One of them was a felon and had been deported at least once and returned. The other one was here illegally also. And he was obviously a felon in waiting. Texas did not indict PATRIOT Horne.
Now I am sure the resident TROLLS will correct me on any part of the story that they THINK is not correct. But, that is the gist of the story. For more Google Joseph Horne Pasadena Texas.

For MyOpine (#161)
RW's definition of "conservative" is exactly the same as that of the erstwhile (Canadian) federal-level Progressive-Conservatives (the real ones in that party joined the currently-ruling Conservative Party after merging with Reform/Alliance)--which can be summed up in the old Reform slogan "Liberal, Tory--both only good as suppository".

OMG
For the very first time, M.Malkin actually makes sense.
And who do we have to thank for the fact that we are now at the mercy of a lobbying group for illegal immigrants? The Decider in Chief who has done nothing for the last eight years except watch our borders become revolving doors. Why? Surprise, he needed their votes. Why should it be any different now? Better put the wagons in a circle, we are going to get our butts kicked.

Ssgt
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/267619.php

Billary CLAIMS he was talking about Mandela
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/08/mccain-brushes-off- bill-clinton-claim-that-former-pows-can-snap-at-any-time/co mment-page-5/

John Kerry made some comments also, but I cannot locate them.

Georgetwin
Do you think those illegals are likely to vote Democrat if they hear Liberals preaching against religion?

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archiv e/200710/CUL20071008a.html

So...
what did Sen McCain actually SAY to this group?
What did he promise them?

OH... it hasn't happened yet...so all this is kneejerking about what people THINK is going to happen. Not what has happened.
I see.
Carry on...

McCain and La Raza
Is there no insult to conservatives that is beneath John McCain? Is there really any great difference between McCain and Obama? Until I see one, I'm staying home on November 4.

MyOpine
Who Knows! In Maryland, you can’t swing a Dead Cat without hitting a Liberal Heathen. MANY of whom CLAIM to be Catholic.

Uncle B
Yes, that's the incident I was thinking about, thank you. I remembered it because the article was defending the actions of the illegal-immigrant fellons (who are alleged to have threatened Mr. Horne's life) while decrying Mr. Horne's "vigilantism."

More Obama Elitism
I’m sure many of you have seen the clip last night or this morning of Obama complaining how embarrassing it is that Americans can’t speak French. But, at the same time he opposes all legislation requiring Americans to learn and use English!

Also, here’s a very powerful new Obama commercial...enjoy.

http://www.primetimepolitics.com/primetime/site/video/obama _waffles/

HJake-UncleB
O’Reilly ran a clip of that guy’s interview on The Today Show. Dianne Sawyer was SHOCKED, but I am not sure by what? To me it seemed she was EQUALLY appalled that he:
A. Owned a Gun
B. Fired a Gun
C. Fired it at illegals

My Opine
You state that the only states that have illegal problems are those that want illegals. That's not entirely accurate. Local jurisdictions in Virginia are trying to crack down on Illegals (Prince William County, and Manassas City, for example) and there are still a bunch all around Northern VA, where MS-13 and other Latino gangs are running rampant.

Georgetwin
Sawyer was probably shocked and dismayed that anyone would call some poor, defenseless latino an "illegal" anything (despite the fact that both perps were in their 30s and at least one was armed.)

I would hope
that both of the candidates would pay attention to what American voters want...the majority are in favor of closing the borders BUT the majority are not in favor of "rounding up" all illegal aliens and shipping them home. Having gone through the amnesty program in the 1980's, I am a bit cynical about making everyone here legal. However, I think we can offer illegal aliens a route to become legal provided they have no criminal record since entering the country (of course, since they entered illegally, we have no way of knowing when they entered so we have to take it back to square one). I think the bigger issue is closing the borders now to prevent more illegals coming over. I also think a worker visa program is a good idea so long as we provide a way to make sure all temporary workers leave the country when the permit expires. Otherwise, that is another open invitation to come to America and life off the taxpayers. I also think we need to insist on English and we need to pass a law making English our official language. That is long overdue and most Americans are sick of it.

MyOpine excellent point!
MyOpine wrote: "...Do you think those illegals are likely to vote Democrat if they hear Liberals preaching against religion?..."

No wonder Democrats do not want them to learn English.

Democrats are afraid they might also read about 'Democrat Values'.

killing babies
advocating homosexuality
for marriage between homosexuals
lowering the age of consent for NAMBLA
against marriage between a man and a woman
and so on!


Georgetwin
Good day to you, and to all other THers.

I am certain HalDork will find some way of wiggling out of condemning Obama's useful idiots attacks on McCain. Wiggling out is what libs do.

Thanks for the link, Icedog...
Great video...I'm sending the link out to my entire address book and I would suggest others follow suit!

OTHERS
Any person who enters another country without legal and proper authority has, quite simply, trespassed and consequently disobeyed the laws of the country that was entered illegally.

First of all the people who enter another country without legal and proper authority are illegal aliens...they are NOT immigrants. Some enter illegally to work and send $15 to $20 billion American dollars back to their country.

Many of them are criminals who rape, steal and kill. The only people who want to assimilate into the American culture are the people who enter our country as immigrants with legal and proper authority and they are against illegal aliens being called immigrants.

These illegal aliens have bankrupted cities who are feeding, medicating, clothing, educating and housing them while the illegal aliens apy nothing and send billions of American dollars out of our country.

When the law officials enforce our laws the illegal aliens will stop coming. SIMPLE AS THAT.

Happy Jake/Georgetwin
Did either of you see the rally by the people of Pasadena and surrounding area. When a Black Panther leader came from Houston to protest what he thought was two black men that were killed He was greeted by supporters of Joseph Horne. There were hundreds of them in the street of Hornes neighborhood. When the Black Panther turd tried to use a bull horn to spread his venom a group of bikers rode their bikes right up to him and revved their engines and drowned out the turd with the bullhorn. The turd and his entrouge finally left. The people protected Mr Horne. It was truly heartwarming. A visual example of what the rest of the country should do neighborhood by neighborhood. Dont mess with Texas.

Representation
I'm not convinced that La Raza is any more representative of Mexican Americans, or even Mexican illegals, than a Rev. Cone, Wright, or Sharpton is of the greater African American community.

While it's sad that McCain and Obama lend credibility to La Raza by coddling them, it's no more sad than coddling the NRA or any other group with a political agenda.

IOW, most Mexican Americans want little to do with the sesspool that is Mexico, and most NRA members agree that there are certain requirements necessary for responsible individual gun ownership. The most vocal of any group is not necessarily representative of the whole.

Constitution for U.S. Citizens
Ok, I don't believe the founders wrote the Constitution to protect the rights of other citizens of other countries, while Americans rights and liberties are ignored. It is time that Americans start writing your representatives and demand that our rights and liberties are their primary responsibility. Our tax money, judicial system etc. are supposed to work for our best interests, not first and foremost a hand out to people who are not even Americans. I can't believe we are being shamed and accused of being racists to demand that what is rightfully ours, remains ours. No U.S. representative should even acknowledge an organization such as The Race.

To Old Blue...
If you can't see the differences between John McCain and Barack Obama, perhaps you want to look at voting records on abortion. That's just one but it's a big one. Or perhaps you'd rather just sit home on election day and have your lack of vote effectively vote for Obama. Your choice Old Blue...I don't agree with McCain on everything, but I disagree with Obama on critical issues. That's good enough for me.

For Old Blue (#171)
Have you considered "write in" of a candidate NOT officially listed on the ballot--or even better yet, one who is provably ineligible to be president?

(the latter would certainly send a message, by showing just how poor the choices are)

Happy Jake
Our Southern Border is almost like a combat zone.
( Frontpagemag.com has an article on it.)

We have laws to get rid of organized crime gangs but Government refuses to enforce them.

They should start by ticketing a gang member for Jaywalking, round up every member of the gang and give them a ticket for jaywalking and a warning that all will be arrested if one fails to pay the fine.
Then explain how every member of the gang will go to prison as an accomplice if any one of them commit a felony.