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Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will the Return of Values Voters Bring Another Election Day Surprise?
by Michael Medved
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The most startling factor in the Presidential election of 2004 could deliver an even bigger shock in the battle for the White House in 2008, if the nation witnesses the possible repeat of the decisive impact of “values voters”.

Four years ago, the media largely ignored the significance of moral and family issues until Election Day exit polls revealed their crucial role in the GOP victory. In the same way, seasoned political observers – especially those who consider an Obama victory a foregone conclusion – have ignored the very real chance that social conservatives may bring about a stunning upset on November 4th.

Four years ago, when asked “what mattered most in deciding how you voted for president,” more voters cited “moral values” than any other factor. According to the authoritative Edison-Mitofsky exit poll, 22% named “moral values” compared to 20% indicating “the economy and jobs,” 19% choosing “terrorism,” 15% “Iraq” and a mere 8% citing “health care.”

Among those who chose “moral values” as their chief concern, a stunning 80% voted for George W. Bush, while his opponent, John Kerry, got a similar 80% show of support from those who primarily worried about “the economy and jobs.” Nearly one quarter of the electorate in 2004 identified as “white evangelical and born-again Christians” and they backed President Bush by a four-to-one margin. Without this overwhelming support from Christian conservatives, Bush could never have won his 51 to 48% victory over Senator Kerry.

Considering the hugely significant role of values voters in the last presidential race, it makes no sense for leading electoral experts to assume that they’ve become suddenly irrelevant in 2008. Did the social conservatives who tipped the scales to Bush and Cheney in a tough race four years ago somehow vanish or give up?

Conventional wisdom suggests that values voters don’t matter this year for several important reasons. First, it’s assumed that social conservatives remain lukewarm on John McCain and won’t give him the huge turnout and overwhelming support that propelled George W. Bush to victory. Second, according to many leading pundits, Barack Obama has neutralized moral issues with his inclusive rhetoric about unity and respect and his comfort in talking about his Christian faith (though not about his long-time pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who has all-but-vanished from media coverage of the campaign). Finally, and most significantly, all major analysts seem to agree that the financial crisis and looming recession have crowded out all other public concerns, leaving little chance that worried voters will once again find themselves “distracted” by social issues like abortion, marriage, or gun rights.

For several reasons, these assumptions may look shaky on Election Day. Yes, it’s true that John McCain has never been a favorite of Christian conservatives (especially after his self-destructive denunciation of Falwell and Robertson in the 2000 primary campaign). But his selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate, and renewed attention to his strong pro-life record over the course of 30 years (he gets a perfect “Zero” lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood), have helped to rally the troops. The huge, enthusiastic turnouts at recent GOP rallies (particularly those featuring Governor Palin) and the determined, ongoing efforts by prominent organizations on the religious right suggest that “values voters” may return in force and startle the pundits once again.

Most obviously, Obama efforts at “Christian outreach” have largely failed, recognized as a phony, manipulative and, ultimately, insulting strategy. Obama may claim he understands and sympathizes with the concerns of religious traditionalists, but he’s running on the most pro-abortion platform in major party history (calling for a return to federal funding for abortions for poor women) and he famously suggested that the question of when life begins was “above my pay grade.”Of course, leaders of left-leaning Christian and Jewish denominations enthusiastically back Obama (just as they backed Kerry) but traditionalists remain deeply suspicious. Those concerns go far beyond the silly charges that Obama is some sort of “secret Muslim” and involve his slimy, equivocal treatment of all religious questions, whether involving his boyhood study of the Koran in Indonesia, or his twenty years of loyal discipleship with the America-hating Reverend Wright.

Finally, there’s no reason to assume that universal concern about the state of the economy means that religious conservatives no longer care about the future of marriage or the protection of the unborn.

In fact, a dramatic turnaround in voter sentiment in California (of all places) indicates precisely the sort of mobilization of values voters that could derail the Obama Express on November 4th.

The citizens of the Golden State face a fateful choice in the wake of the State Supreme Court’s controversial 4 to 3 decision to mandate gay marriage. Proposition 8 on the California ballot adds to the State Constitution a provision declaring that “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.” In one of the most liberal and lopsidedly Democratic states in the union, gay activists felt confident they would defeat this measure by a decisive margin, but recent surveys show an unexpected surge of support for traditional marriage. A Survey USA poll shows a swing of 8 points in the three weeks between September 25th and October 17th, from a 5% margin against the proposition to a 3% margin for it. “Equality for All,” the group leading the fight for homosexual marriage, acknowledged to the Wall Street Journal on October 22nd that their internal polling also showed a shift in voter sentiment toward traditional marriage – with a 4% current lead for the proposition over-ruling the Supreme Court.

In the last days before the election, even voters in deep-blue California (a state the McCain campaign has all-but-abandoned) seem to be rallying against gay marriage – despite Obama and Biden strongly and outspokenly opposing Proposition 8. This should encourage values conservatives to recognize that many (and perhaps most) Americans still care deeply about moral issues.

It’s now crucial for Senator McCain, Governor Palin and their supporters to emphasize those issues --- not even at a time of economic crisis, but especially at a time of economic crisis.

Controversies regarding the future of the family aren’t a distraction from financial challenges; for most Americans, there’s an inescapable connection between economic and values issues. Nothing brings long-term security and prosperity more reliably than a stable, traditional family life and nothing predisposes people for a life of poverty more than out-of-wedlock birth and marital chaos. The educational success of our children, which directly determines their future financial future, depends more on the values they learn at home than the quality of their schools. Learning to work hard, to save money and to live within your means remains a dependable path to economic advancement and the failure to learn those lessons (especially by political and business leaders) helped to create the current crisis.

Moreover, the big-government “spread the wealth” programs favored by Barack Obama represent an assault on the family as well as a threat to the free-market economy. Today’s radical Democratic platform calls for a vast expansion of federal power that would make families and parenthood less important and less necessary.

Consider Obama’s promise of “universal pre-school” for all children age three and above. He insists that attendance at such federally mandated schools will remain voluntary, but paying for them will not. All citizens – including those mothers who choose to stay home with their little ones – will share in financing governmental day care, in effect punishing women who take care of their kids while rewarding those who want to leave them with someone else.

At the other end of life, there’s also legitimate concern over Obama’s support for re-imposition of a crushing death tax, with a confiscatory rate of 45%. Nothing represents a more fundamental right for many families than the ability to pass on to their own children the wealth that they’ve accumulated through honest hard work –and on which they’ve already paid taxes as the parents earned the money.

No wonder that married voters already tilt decisively toward McCain, according to all polls. (The most recent IBD-TIPP survey gives him a margin of 50% to 43%). Obama leads among the public in general only because of his huge lead among single voters (about a third of the electorate).

According to exit polls in 2004, Bush won married voters 57% to 42%. If McCain comes close to that margin he too will win the election.

The chances for a come-from-behind victory for Republicans depend almost entirely upon the return of values voters --- most of them married people who care deeply about religious faith, traditional virtues and family issues. Those voters abandoned the Republicans in the disastrous off-year election of 2006 --- repulsed by the Mark Foley scandal and numerous other indications of ethical lapses among flawed and compromised conservatives in Congress.

If the values voters return to the polls (and to the GOP fold) victory remains possible.

The 2004 prominence of social conservatives was more than a fluke or a temporary phenomenon. The Los Angeles Times has conducted its own exit polling since 1992, asking voters “which two issues they considered most important in deciding how they would vote.” In 2004, 40% listed “moral/ethical values” as one of those top two – a strikingly similar percentage to the 35% who named moral values in 2000 and the 40% who did so in 1996. On a related note, the percentage of religious people who participate in recent elections has remained stable and reliable: 41% of voters in both 2004 and 2000 said they attended church at least once a week and they voted decisively, both times, for George W. Bush.

Leading commentators largely ignored these citizens in 2004 until the results of the election and the exit polls forced them to reconsider. If Republicans concentrate on mobilizing social conservatives between now and Election Day, and speak clearly and persuasively about the powerful connection between economic and moral issues, then values voters may provide the defenders of conventional wisdom with an even bigger surprise than they did four years ago.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Guess you were wrong, huh genius?
Hey Michael,
I guess you were wrong about this? Your little wishful thinking fantasy didn't work out, did it?

I'm so glad you lost. And lost big.

I just hope the next eight years are very difficult for you. I hope you're sad. I hope you're angry.

If you're feeling that way, it will only confirm how good a job our new president is doing.

So, get used to saying PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! I hope you have to choke every single time you hear it.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Message to our military
Stand by, the tree of liberty requires the blood of patriots.

Message to our military

Resign now. This is a government that hates everything you stand for. Do not re-enlist. Tell all your family and friends. Walk away. Go home and take care of your families. It's time to be selfish. You will only be spit on if you stay. Go home your job is done and a great job it has been.
Thanks for your service.

God Created the Details in Their Glory
My friend, I disagree with you on all you points. What is the source of the infallible, indisputable facts that support your opinion.

Perhaps this is just an attempt to discourage or disorganize the efforts of those who oppose your's and Obama's faulty platform, which is built on the quicksand.

Where there is Truth there is liberty, where there is liberty there is prosperity and peace, where there is prosperity and peace the people share and live by the same basic values, virtues and principles of truth. "Reap we do all that we sow."

When the we abandon these principles, when we lose our moral compass and become selfish sooner or later all will be lost.

Wendy, You're Right
Medved only opposes ideological purity when if doesn't involve his religious views. Capitalism is expendable, opposing gay marriage is not.

He constantly calls Bush a "near great" president despite Bush's economy wrecking administration, despite the massive increase in spending and despite Bush's claims to executive power that no president since Lincoln has openly claimed. All of this is acceptable as long as Bush doesn't support abortion.

But the worst thing that Bush did was to let the free market take the fall for the current economic crisis. By failing to point to the government's dominant role in creating the housing bubble and the subsequent credit problems, Bush confirmed Pelosi, Reid and Obama's claim that it was greed that caused the collapse. McCain, of course, could not blame greed fast enough.

Bush and McCain, by virtue of their own stupidity and cowardice helped set back the cause of limited government 30 years.

Refusing to vote for McCain isn't demanding ideological purity, it's avoiding ideological disarmament. You can't win an argument by validating your opponent's wrong headed ideas. Where has McCain disagreed with Obama's basic belief that the government must act to right all wrongs? The word "capitalism" didn't cross McCain's lips until a plumber got Obama to reveal himself as re-distributionist.

Obama can be stopped, but not by "me too" Republicans. It will take dedicated and talented expositors of liberty and free markets. McCain and Palin aren't that.

la wendy, fantasizing
". . . you will know that the American people have categorically rejected social conservativism. And it won't come back."

A simpleton admits what the WILL of the People means. Wendy thinks the will of the American people is something to overturn and hate.

She's a fool. You can't make the people buy BS. They'll tell Wendy to sit on it.

Mr. Medved
In previous years, people generally "went with the flow" of the culture and the President. They have had adequate time to re-evaluate their positions, and you will find that they have.

But you are right about one thing. McCain's anti-abortion Saddleback performance and his choice of Palin did rally the social conservatives, quite enthusiastically. It did not rally the rest of us, the capitalism conservatives. The two positions are not reconcilable. They are inherently antithetical.

And that makes November 4th a referendum on social conservativism.

Therefore, when not only McCain/Palin, but Prop. 48 in Colorado, Prop. 8 in California, and Sen. Dole in North Carolina all fail, you will know that the American people have categorically rejected social conservativism. And it won't come back. But since you said you are not in favor of "ideological puree," then you shouldn't mind. Right?

Your agenda is over. Stick a fork in it.

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
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MORE NEWS FROM THE THE SOCIALIST
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ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!

Medved I am a little confused
Or more correctly I think you are.

On your blog you lecture the need to quell any purgeing of the ranks of the Republican Party, and that losing causes Parties to coast centrist. Then on this column you give a hopeful shout out to the peeps of conservative family values to win the election for McCain.

Why not the shout out to the undecided and the coveted independent voters. You know the big tent and all that. What is it about the Republican Party and and the Values voters that one assumes would join them at the hip so to speak? Could it be shared oh I dont know core values?

Few people are looking to "purge" the Republican Party what they're looking for is the leader or the leadership to spell out the common VALUES and to defend those core values in such a way that it leaves no doubt as to the difference between dependence on the Government for all or ones ability to depend on oneself.

Values Voter in MN
Just to set the record straight, there are plenty of values voters in MN and they will be out in full force on Tuesday. Traditional marriage and the belief in the American dream that hard work and smart money management WILL propel an individual farther than any government hand-out or assistance program is alive and well here.

MN has long been a welfare state - a haven where foreigners flock because they can get a free handout from hard-working Minnesotans. Many in this state still can't get over Wellstone's death and vote blue as a tradition, without any thought as to what voting blue really means. They love to been seen at church, are quick to proudly proclaim relgious affiliation, but can't seem to grasp the "walk the talk" mentality. Well thankfully there are many of us here who are tired of the liberalism of the left and are ready for a real change! Go Michele Bachmann, Norm Coleman, and McCain Palin. The value voters in MN are all with you!

letter to obama
if the link does not work the info can be found on POINT OF VIEW.

this is the kind of person/business that obama will hurt


Cory The Well Driller
Friday, October 31, 2008
By: Cory Miller

Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself.



http://www.pointofview.net/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7 417

11/2 Just Out:Obama to Bankrupt COAL !
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ATTENTION: PENNSYLVANIA-VIRGINIA-INDIANA-OHIO

JUST OUT THIS MORNING 11/2; NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW THE MEDIA HAS ONCE AGAIN HIDDEN FROM YOU THE VOTERS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

In another BOMBSHELL Obama says the gov should pursue a policy of increasing energy prices until users, meaning you, give up.

Day after day the hits just keep coming.
Media Suppression and out right Lies, anything to elect The Messiah.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
CHANGE IS COMING AND NOT THE KIND YOU WANT!


Rudolf
Your ignorance is breathtaking.

Go back and study the figures, prior to the advent of 'sex education' and you will find a lot less sexual activity. Planned Parenthood and other subversive organizations only make matters worse. They are the equivalent of throwing gas on a fire and then insisting that what we need to fight the conflagration that ensues, is more gas!

Abortion rates are high everywhere, Rudolf. And they are high because of selfishness, not because of a lack of contraception.

As to your ridiculous assertion about the definition of marriage, time tested for about 5000 years as the bedrock of any civilized society, I won't dignify that with a comment.
It's obvious to me though, that liberals like to make the most absurd statements they can think of just to stir up dissent and distract people from real discussions.


Chris
And after you and the other 26 people who actually know who Chuck Baldwin is, throw your vote away on a nobody who can't possibly win, how much influence on values will Mr. Baldwin have then, Chris?

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama, so you might as well just do that.


Caroline
As to abortion, over 60% of abortions are coerced. That's right, Caroline, they aren't being "chosen" by the woman, but by the selfish people in her life. Poverty isn't the cause of that - it's pure unadulterated selfishness. Women are routinely coerced into aborting their children against their better judgement. So much for "choice". Besides, pregnancy help centers, funded entirely by nickels and dimes from conservative Christians, outnumber abortion mills 4 to 1 in this country, and they provide help to the woman and her child, free of charge, during the pregnancy, birth, and beyond, if necessary.

That is the Christian response. How many people adopted children is irrelevant, and is a tired, straw man argument used by people who support baby killing, like you.

Caroline
I don't know where you get your information, but it's not correct.

First of all, Jesus talked of helping the poor and less fortunate. He never required government to do that, though. He spoke to individuals about their individual responsibility of helping those in need.

Liberals have effectually made government their god, as they seek to confiscate hard earned money from achievers, and disperse about .15 of each of those confiscated dollars to ostensibly help people through various give away programs. The other .85 is chewed up and wasted along the way by beauracratic paper shufflers, and through fraud. Those dollars mainly just help to buy votes, rather than really helping anyone in need. It's far more effective, and far closer to the Biblical example, for people to give individually to help others, rather than through confiscatory tax policies. The less people are taxed, the more they will give, and this is unarguable. Christian conservatives give far more of their own money to charity than greedy progovernment liberals do. if you doubt this, check out how much people like John Kerry, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and other liberals give privately to charity. It's miniscule, and is typical of liberals, who love giving other people's money away, but are strangely tight when it comes to their own.


Obama the Imbecile!
Let me see now…
Obama was close friends with Reverend Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, attended his church for all those years, referred to Wright as his mentor, said he admired Wright…20 years of this, yet, he had no idea Wright was a radical, anti-American, anti-white, anti-Israel Marxist who preached hate against America?!
Obama was close pals with Bill Ayers, kicked off his campaign in Ayers’ home, attended parties with him, yet, he had no idea that Ayers was a terrorist who wanted to destroy America? And had no idea that Ayers’ operates “schools” that indoctrinate children into communism?!
Obama claims to be a new type of politician, who doesn’t take money from lobbyists….yet, he takes tens of millions of dollars from foreigners, something that is illegal and possibly treason?! And he had no idea who was giving him this money?!
His own aunt, was living illegally in the U.S. – an illegal alien - and illegally giving him campaign contributions….but he had no idea?!
He claims to be so honest and so different….yet he takes $200 million in contributions for which he will not reveal the source?!
He says he will give 95% of American workers a tax cut, but doesn’t realize that 40% don’t pay any taxes?!
Obama had no connection with ACORN, yet he taught the members classes on how to use communist thug tactics as community organizers? And he gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to them, but none of it was for voter registration? And he had no idea that these people he taught were committing massive voter registration fraud?
And I suppose he had no idea that that political party he was a member of for several years, in Chicago, was a socialist party….even though “Socialist” is part of its name?!

Obama the Ignorant One!
Let me see now…
Obama was close friends with Reverend Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, attended his church for all those years, referred to Wright as his mentor, said he admired Wright…20 years of this, yet, he had no idea Wright was a radical, anti-American, anti-white, anti-Israel Marxist who preached hate against America?!
Obama was close pals with Bill Ayers, kicked off his campaign in Ayers’ home, attended parties with him, yet, he had no idea that Ayers was a terrorist who wanted to destroy America? And had no idea that Ayers’ operates “schools” that indoctrinate children into communism?!
Obama claims to be a new type of politician, who doesn’t take money from lobbyists….yet, he takes tens of millions of dollars from foreigners, something that is illegal and possibly treason?! And he had no idea who was giving him this money?!
His own aunt, was living illegally in the U.S. – an illegal alien - and illegally giving him campaign contributions….but he had no idea?!
He claims to be so honest and so different….yet he takes $200 million in contributions for which he will not reveal the source?!
He says he will give 95% of American workers a tax cut, but doesn’t realize that 40% don’t pay any taxes?!
Obama had no connection with ACORN, yet he taught the members classes on how to use communist thug tactics as community organizers? And he gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to them, but none of it was for voter registration? And he had no idea that these people he taught were committing massive voter registration fraud?
And I suppose he had no idea that that political party he was a member of for several years, in Chicago, was a socialist party….even though “Socialist” is part of its name?!

Hey Anna,
My Spanish grandmother would tell us the same thing, "Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres." That brought back memories. It's a nearly 400 year old quote from Miguel de Cervantes, but it still rings true today. The English equivalent would be more like, "Birds of a feather, flock together" They both apply to Obama Hood and his gang of shady men.

Caronline:
"Do you seriously think Jesus would be *against* asking the wealthy to give a little of their surplus to care for the poor? Check Mark 13:41-44."

No one is against asking the wealthy to give a little. That is different than taxation of which I'm not aware of Jesus commanding the 'wealthy' to give 39.6% of their income to bureaucrats so spoiled brats can go to college for free.

Chris from AL:
"This year, I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin, not McCain. McCain has stabbed conservatives in the back over and over again. His worst offenses are campaign finance reform, amnesty, and the recent bailout - but there is a long list of other offenses as well."

"Medved overstates McCain's "strong pro-life record over the course of 30 years" - McCain said in 1999 that Roe-v-Wade should not be overturned."

Think that was an amnesty bill? Wait until next year. While you're out making yourself insignificant by supporting Chuck Baldwin (a 9/11 Truth sympathizer), we are facing a potential Obama presidency with a Pelosi/Reid congress. So-called conservatives like you will no longer be able to abuse the term 'amnesty' because we're going to have the real thing in the next year or two - and that's going to add millions of new loyal Obama/Democrat voters. But hey, at least the last "amnesty" bill failed. Yay.

McCain voted for Alito and Roberts as well as every other Bush appointee. McCain doesn't have to appoint who the Democrats want simply because they want them. Even if were true and the best we could hope for is another Kennedy, why are you supporting two to four more Ginsburgs?

As far as abortion, I believe that McCain's official position is that he's not going to nominate justices depending on their views on abortion (and he's right to say so). But his almost 30 year record on supporting life is flawless or near flawless. Contrast that with Obama who thinks every abortion is a civil exercise in human rights.

And what's Baldwin's view on abortion? And why does it matter?

You can vote for Mickey Mouse, but in the end, your choices are either McCain or Obama. One candidate at least leans in your direction; one definitely leads in the opposite. Your indifference to which one ends up winning devalues your conservatism and your analysis of John McCain.

Vote for Life
We need to vote for life. Nobody has the right to not vote for life. We lose about 9 soilders a day in the war. We lose about 3,000 to 4,000 a day on abrotions. If we give are right to the goverment it won't be long before our older ones are at risk. Our population will start to decline.How can we convence our enemmies to live peaceful,when we kill our own.

Voting for a 3rd party
Your Boy Baldwin is not going to win JUST siphon off votes...that is how Clinton became President...Perot siphoned off 19 million votes..You might as well NOT vote if that is your choice..this is serious business and not to be taken lightly. I am not happy with either candidate or their running mates..I thought perhaps BHO might be a breath of fresh air..but now I have second thoughts as I remembered something my Mom told me: TELL ME YOUR COMPANY AND I WILL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE..TOO MANY shady dealings and connections. IMAO..Mc Cain is the lessor of the 2 evils unfortunately they will get my vote!

Obama's Radical and Communist Allies
Barack Obama was mentored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis, Communist writer and poet (1905-1987).

Frank Marshall Davis was identified unequivocally as a CPUSA member in a 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities.

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Barack Obama carefully chose William 'Bill' Ayers who said, "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."

In the 1960s, Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers were leaders of the "Weatherman" faction, which in 1969 went underground to become America's first terrorist cult.

Barack Obama launched his political career in the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

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Alice Palmer met Barack Obama during meetings at the home of Bill Ayers and hand picked Obama to fill her newly vacated 'State Senate Seat'.

Alice Palmer served as an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a Communist front group.

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Michael Klonsky was chosen by Barack Obama as a blogger on the 'Obama official Website'. Klonsky a former leader of 'SDS' - Students for a Democratic Society and a leader of the 'New Communist Party'.

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Tim Wheeler is a National Board member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and has been a key figure in the party's Baltimore chapter since the early 1970s. He helped organize local canvassing and visibility events for Obama, and he chronicled his experiences on the campaign trail in a blog that appeared on the Obama campaign website.

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Jeremiah Wright was carefully chosen by Barack Obama to 'Mentor' him and be his spiritual guide.

Mentor Wright became famous for screaming 'God Damn America' from the pulpit at TUCC.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Obama's values

Obama just doesn't share middle american values.

Values Voters
The Values Voters do have power at the polls and I wonder if the James Dobson fear-mongering prognostications on the future if there is an Obama Presidency could really have stirred up this group who can't think of anything but abortions and gays.

Mr. Medved, I just saw you on "Larry King Live". When you research McCain's involvement in funding the Palestanian supporter that Obama is somehow associated with, you need to write about it. Be sure to ask McCain about all his involvement in the past and be sure to doubt that all the involvement has been disclosed no matter what McCain says. Fair is fair.

Yoshi
You said, "Righties - the sorest losers in the world."
Were you in your other dimension after the last two elections? The rabid, irrational, spittle-spewing "Bush STOLE the election" rants after 2000 demonstrated classy losers in your mind did it?
Endless screaming "Bush lied, people died" and BDS by the whacko lefties after 2004 was just an example of cheerful losing by your reckoning?
Tell me, what colour is the sky in your world?

More Obama Illegal works

Gee, guess what. More Obama corruption:

Obama Took Millions in Illegal Foreign Donations

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donors/2008/ 10/29/145612.html?s=al&promo_code=6F6F-1

John Kerry is freakin' over new TV spot!
from an email I just received as a registered donor to goptrust.com:

Yesterday John Kerry sent out an e-mail to fellow Democrats attacking our ad exposing Obama's unbelievable plan to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Kerry claimed that the Republican Party is " depraved" and cited our ad. He then said our ad connects Obama to "9/11 attacker Mohammed Atta."

Our ad does not "connect" Obama to 9/11. We say that Mohammed Atta easily got a driver's license in Florida.

We say that if Obama implements his plan, it will be even easier for terrorists to get driver's licenses.

In fact the 9/11 plot depended on terrorists getting driver's licenses. Of the 19 hijackers, 13 had valid driver's licenses.

Our explosive ad has exposed Obama's radical scheme on driver's licenses.

Kerry's remarks clearly indicate the Democrats are worried about our ad which is running in Florida and key battleground states.

Help put this ad on more station and drive Kerry nuts — go to http://www.goptrust.com

New Ad Launched: Obama's Plan for
Citizenship for 12 Million Illegals

The National Republican Trust PAC is exposing Obama for the dangerous radical he is. Our new TV ad reveals Obama's plan to give 12 million illegals citizenship.

Obama's plan will not only cause a massive new burden on taxpayers as these new citizens demand Social Security, Medicare and other benefits, it will give Democrats the majorities they want in key swing states.

We must thwart their plan.

Polls show that most Americans oppose amnesty and citizenship for 12 million illegals.

But that's exactly what Obama stands for!

You can stop him.

What values?
Let's see. Most "values" or "family values" discussions focus on abortion and gays. Abortion rates in most other Western countries are significantly lower than in the US, as Americans appear to be really bad about using birth control. Could be easily fixed. Like most problems in life, a practical approach, an open attitude about sex and sex education prevents a lot of the problems. Some common sense is all you need. Gay marriage is a non-issue with no consequences whatsoever.

Will the last American...
"Helping people who need help is a mandate for many people, not just Christians."

Helping people is not the issue. The question is, are big-government bureaucracies the best way to do it? I don't believe so for a number of reasons:

1. Big government programs take on a life of their own. Over time, the staff becomes more concerned about protecting their own jobs rather than helping people.

2. Government aid programs are notoriously inefficient. Much of the funding goes to sustain the bureaucracy, not to the people the program is supposed to help.

3. Government welfare programs have not solved the problem of poverty, but in fact have helped perpetuate it. After all, if fewer people are in need, the program becomes unnecessary. Then the bureaucrats have to pad and inflate their numbers to justify the program's existence.

4. Many politicians give very little to charity (case in point: Joe Biden), yet they think they're quite noble because they vote in support of government welfare programs. Anyone can be generous when they're spending someone else's money.

WTLATOTL, agreed - not just the church.
Will: "why should helping the needy fall only to Christians?"

I completely agree - helping the needy should fall to any and all volunteer organizations, who can use any criteria they each want to decide who to help.

I was arguing against only the use of forced contributions to the government for charity. I was speaking for the church because that's my identity, and the Bible lays down guidelines on how church charity should work.


Will: "It is also simplistic to say that poverty exists because liberals have caused it or permitted it to continue."

I wasn't trying to imply that - I was just generalizing poor cities vs better functioning cities in this country. Poverty exists in all our cities, but is more pervasive in those with a long history of liberal government.

Chris
It is also simplistic to say that poverty exists because liberals have caused it or permitted it to continue. People often say things like that because they don't want to do the hard thinking about conditions that lead to poverty, drug addiction, crime, homelessness and mental illness, or prevent the total solution to these problems. People don't come into this world deciding to be poor, ill, uneducated, angry or hopeless so that Christians can take care of them.

Chris
" The church needs to do what it does with funds freely donated to it. "

I totally agree, but why should helping the needy fall only to Christians? I, and many of my non-Christian friends donate alot of time and, until recently, money to local food banks, emergency shelters and rides to clinics that people in trouble need on a daily basis.

Many non-Christians feel it is their responsibility to help those who need it because they are moral, concerned, and ethical human beings.

Helping people who need help is a mandate for many people, not just Christians.

Proof is in the puddin'
This has been the weirdest election. Even up here in the land of 10,000 lakes where the liberals most often wear their philosophy on their bumper, I've seen VERY FEW 0bama stickers.

I think a lot more people are willing to tell an anonymous pollster they want to vote for 0bama than will actually show up and do it.

Guess we'll know one way or another on Tuesday, don't let polls sway you one way or the other just get out and vote for the people you believe are best for the country!

WTLATOTL: God gave the church
the responsibility to care for the truly needy. We dare not shirk it.

Most major cities with such terrible problems have been governed by liberals for years - and we see the results of hand-outs to able people in those cities.

If we keep doing the same thing, we'll keep getting the same result. Something needs to change - and not like Obama wants... Even with proper governance it will take a while to clean up, but that is the right path to take.


And if you mean you don't want the church to take responsibility of the problems using government money, I completely agree - that is still not an appropriate role of government. The church needs to do what it does with funds freely donated to it.

chris - On belief
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Not to condemn, chris, so don't get your dander up.

You write:

"But the answer is very simple - if you believe as I do that a person becomes a person at conception, it's simply wrong to kill that person...."


Your difficulty lies in the matter of how you predicate your position.

Belief.

Now, you've made it clear that you're a religionist, not a rationalist. That's to say that the basis for your personal moral philosophy is not found in objective fact - to which any intellectually honest human being has access - but rather in religious faith.

Which is always (inescapably) the private and ineffable experience of the religious believer.

This is something - by definition - which you can't share with anybody else, even if both you and he profess allegiance to the same dogma.

(( It's what makes the suppression of heresy such a troublesome "Kill them all; God will know His own" sort of problem for the authoritarian religionist. ))

Unless you can come up with some rational - *NOT* religious - basis for your positions on voluntary abortion and other such matters, nobody is really under any sort of obligation to regard you as anything but an arbitrary and tyrannically-inclined crackpot, and to treat with you as a valid disputant in any discussion of how the most definitely secular republic (in which our supposedly "Christian society" exists) ought to be governed.

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park, I said we SHOULD help poor
people who need help. I never implied "the rest can go hang", or praised greed.

What I was arguing against was having my money taken by force by someone else who thinks they know better than me who I should be helping.


People who are poor, but able-bodied and able-minded are HARMED by hand-outs - they are best helped by being motivated by the threat of starvation to get off their rears and work for a living. If you don't like that, go argue with the apostle Paul, not me.


If you see someone who you think needs money hand out your own money, and leave mine alone. I'm already handing money out to those who really need it.

Chris - one more thought
I live near a medium sized major city that has abundant problems with homeless, abused, high-risk children, and while I think it's commendable that Christians feel they should pay attention to these things, and help, I frankly do not want to see the responsibility for addressing these problems handed over to the churches. That's also true in the case of my tax dollars, which I want to go to trained judges, psychologists, sociologists, child welfar specialists - in other words, the educated "elite".

Eliza,
What has your poster pin-up said lately about the renewed violence and instability in Congo in terms of it's colonial history? What does she think about the illegal incursion into Syria?

Just curious.

Wes
Good post. It's interesting, if you have any of the major news networks on for any length of time you get piece and piece of McCain and Palin talking about Obama's supposed Un-americanism, socialist dreams, secret treacheries, but when Obama's speeches are on they're about the future, about ideas.

Matthew
Good post. "Value Voters" as a concept is only being recycled in retro-politics like that shown on TH. How many people in real life have you heard refer to "Value Voters" recently?

Funny, all the Republicans and Independents who have lost their jobs and homes and are voting for Obama apparently do not have "values" like TH posters.

Well, one more reason why they shouldn't be helped with conservative tax money.

\chris
This bloated, nearly obsolete, attenuated explanation of why you shouldn't help poor people has it's roots in fundamentalist, even Puritan, America, where poverty was thought of as something that revealed a sinner's soul underneath, and therefore, didn't have to be addressed in any serious way.

Now that we are in a recession, and will see thousands of Americans who once held decent jobs now living out of their cars (often with their families), losing their homes, having their health needs unmet, I'm wondering how this rationalization for greed is going to wash over time.

The arguments for keeping "what's mine, the rest can go hang" is what has brought us to this economic disaster, and I want to know how many times Christians are going to have to pass the collection plate around to help the most recent 3,500 people who have lost their jobs and their homes.



answers for Caroline, part 2:
Caroline: "...give unto Caesar...". No argument here - Christians should pay the taxes we owe. But unlike Roman Christians, we have the opportunity to cause our government to act morally, so we should.



Caroline: "in almost every case where Jesus helps people free themselves from sin, he addresses their physical needs first..."

Jesus performed miracles as a sign to validate Himself as a messenger from God. If His primary concern was people's physical needs, He would have just snapped His fingers and healed everyone. Instead, He healed a few as a sign, then died on the Cross to solve the sin problem for everyone.



Caroline: "Finally, you imply that 'values voters' give more money than anyone else. Any statistical evidence of this?"

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/11/22/it-turns-o ut-conservatives-really-are-compassionate/


Caroline: "what percentage of one-issue abortion voters have adopted children themselves..."

I've no idea of the statistics there. But the answer is very simple - if you believe as I do that a person becomes a person at conception, it's simply wrong to kill that person unless they've been duly convicted of a capital crime. It also makes sense to take an early-term baby to save the life of him mother, since he'd die anyway if mom dies.

You are absolutely right that we Christians are charged to care for the orphans - and I would argue that an unwanted child carried to term effectively falls into that category. But even if Christians aren't fulfilling our obligations, it does not excuse the murder of innocents.

Caroline, we're having a problem with
the definition of "give".

(Caroline wrote "Do you seriously think Jesus would be *against* asking the wealthy to give a little of their surplus to care for the poor?")

When you say "give" I hear "give us money or we will throw you in jail." That's taking, not giving.

The Bible has a lot to say about determining who we should give to, and who needs to take care of themselves. Paul spends almost the entire chapter of 1Timothy 5 discussing which widows should be supported by the VOLUNTARY contributions of other in the church - and which ones shouldn't!

2Thess 3:10 says of able-bodied people, "that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

The church is in an excellent position - and mandated by God - to determine who should be helped, and to help them. And that help is not just money donated - it's help with children, visiting the sick, preparing food or whatever.

The government, on the other hand, is in a terrible position to determine who needs help. The incentive, as we have seen, is to put as many people as possible on the dole to buy votes. In many cases, this "giving" (as you put it) of other people's money doesn't help - it motivates able-bodied people to be lazy and irresponsible.

If the government would stop confiscating so much in taxes, and usurping the proper role of the church, I guarantee you the faithful would pick up the slack.

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Obama Supporters


Supporters: Obam's counting on your gullibility!

Conserves: YOUR vote for McCain/Palin will save this country.

Slimey..your name says it all re liberals!


Attack the Messenger

Good for you socialists. Attack the messenger because you don't have a good counter argument.

Now, I can understand there being wackos from MN and IL, but MT? MT is one of my favorite states and most folks from MT have good common sense. What happened? School system go bad when no one was looking?

Obama supporters.
McCain will win Tuesday, November 4.

Thank God.

"Slimy"?
You lost me at the word "slimy". The one thing that's always lacking in conservative commentary is any kind of respectfulness or understanding that good people can disagree. A writer who starts throwing names or using abusive language just shows his own boorishness. Given the horrid campaign that McCain has run, it is especially interesting to me that, in this particular election, any conservative commentator should be abusive towards Obama. Whatever sins Obama has committed, McCain's sins are ten times worse.

Hear Hear Matthew in MT!
And I might also add:
The right wing nuts are all crazy about how "SCARY" Obama is...

Seriously? Raised by a single mother. Columbia and Harvard educated. First in his class at Harvard Law. Married once. Father of two. Could've sold out for big money but instead chose to go into public service. He fought corruption. Fought against weapons proliferation.

He's run a high-road campaign. (Never mentioned McCain's fist wife, keating 5, ties to corruption in Washington) Hasn't missed a step despite all the ginned up nonsense about Ayers and his EX pastor. Kept his message clear and constant while McCain has been all over the map on every issue.

I think all you righties are scared because he's kicking your butts! You're still talking about how awesome Gov. Palin is, even though she's a HUGE drag on your candidate.

Good luck on Tuesday. All of us on the correct side will be thinking of you.


Medved is ignorant
Like McCain and other Republicans, Medved thinks the "values," voters are an issue in this election. But the Culture Wars are not an issue now because we're in two wars overseas, one of which is about to get much, much bigger. And as the historian Livy wisely observed on the first page of his War with Hannibal, "A great state is either at war with an external enemy, or it's at war with itself." Which means, anyone who thinks the Culture Wars are an issue today obviously doesn't appreciate the seriousness of the real wars we're involved with now. Which makes all these Republican Culture Warriors, Michael Medved, included, just plain irrelevant.

To Chris
This is in reply to your assertions that there is nothing in the Republican "cut social services" attitude toward money that is inherently against Christian values.

You say Jesus encourages giving freely, which is true. However, I remind you that Jesus instructs Peter to pay the temple tax, even though he and his disciples are exempt from paying it. (Matthew 17:24-27). He also says to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's. Do you seriously think Jesus would be *against* asking the wealthy to give a little of their surplus to care for the poor? Check Mark 13:41-44.

You also say Jesus was more concerned with people's spiritual ills than their physical ones. If you notice, in almost every case where Jesus helps people free themselves from sin, he addresses their physical needs first, healing them from all sorts of afflictions. Here's a pretty straightforward example: a woman in poverty is 300 TIMES more likely to have an abortion than one not in poverty.

Finally, you imply that "values voters" give more money than anyone else. Any statistical evidence of this? In particular, I'm interested as to what percentage of one-issue abortion voters have adopted children themselves...and not babies, but older children with physical, mental, and emotional problems. Because if you're going to force women to have children they can't care for AND deny them social services on top of it, you're surely going to take responsibility for the children, right?

25% of pregnancies end in abortion. Only 1.6% of couples want to adopt. For a voting block that claims to be huge, those are pretty sad numbers.

Values Voters? What Values?
Why is it that Medved refers to "Values Voters" as if they were the only ones who had values. That is absurd, even Obama has values. I suspect that Charley Manson had values. The question is "What Values?"

Medved will not name the values in his column because it would reveal what he is really talking about - Biblical values.

Fine, just state your values instead of insulting every non bible believer by pretending that only Jews and Christians have values.

Personally, I find supposed biblical values to be viciously anti-human with death being the beginning instead of the end of life. I therefore find it enormously offensive for death worshipers to pretend that they are the only people with values.

I want change
I am so disappointed with all the lies coming from each side. I have a problem voting for Obama because his belief in abortion. But the more I listen to McCain the more I believe we can't stand to have this type of person in charge of this country. Can we not come up with someone who wants to do what is best for all and does not have to lie, decieve and do anything to be elected,

Ron in VA.

The KIND of change matters . . .
Good for you, MM! I have many friends who were going to vote for Obama a month ago . . . that frisson of feeling for change energized them. But a month later, they are now beginning to realize that the KIND of change matters, and when they really look at Obama's positions, they do not like the kind of change they see promised. These friends of mine are now reluctantly voting for McCain. They may not really like McCain, but his promises are innocuous compared to those of Obama. They are now willing to forego the frisson because they now feel they will have a terrible "Obama hangover" the next four years of their life.

Red State Gal
http://redstatefeminists.org

Caroline, did Jesus say anything about
caring for the poor with other people's money?

I my version, Jesus tells us to figure out who needs help and help them freely and cheerfully.


The poor IN SPIRIT were the focus of Jesus' ministry - in other words, the sinful in need of redemption. That was Jesus mission - to solve the problem of our sin, not to merely feed a few thousand people for a day.


Also, Jesus is the ultimate author of the entire Bible, including the words of Paul in Romans 1:26-27. Don't fool yourself into thinking Jesus was just fine with gay sex - He was not. Of course, let's be consistent - Jesus was not fine with any sexual immorality (hetero or otherwise).


The values voters you disdane for opposing the use of government forced charity are the most voluntarily charitable people in the country.

The "giving" you speak of is at the point of a gun, and thus doesn't qualify as cheerful (see 2-Corinthians 9:7).


You are only fooling yourself with your misinterpretations of scripture. I beg you to commit yourself to Jesus and receive the Holy Spirit, who will guide you to a better understand of the Bible.

Value from the Bible?
I think I have a different version of the Bible than "values" voters. Mine mentions caring for the poor 716 times. In fact, the poor are the major focus of Jesus' ministry. In my copy Jesus says, "blessed are the PEACEMAKERS." Nowhere in my version does Jesus condemn homosexuality (though he does say to do unto others as you would have done unto you.) Most of all: I guess "values" voters' copy doesn't include Jesus' warning that it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven....if it did they'd think twice about voting for a party that believes in hoarding every cent and giving as little as possible to things like social programming and education. That or they've perfected talking themselves out of all of the most important tenants of Christianity....

I know Chuck Baldwin won't win.
at 5:39 PM Robert wrote "I admire the fact that you want to make a statement, but if reps decide to turn their back on McCain and vote for someone besides Obama, that'll mean Obama is up by that many more votes. If Baldwin had any chance of winning at all, I may consider voting for him myself. But he doesn't."

I'm a limited-government conservative first, and a Republican to the degree they are LGCs. I am personally very religious, but I believe government should keep people from harming each other, not make us all act right. After all, acting right under duress is not godly.

I'm not voting for Baldwin because I think he'll win. I just want a place to register my disapproval of McCain as a candidate in a way that will be countable after the fact - so that someone can say "we could have gotten these votes if we had run a better candidate".


I'd be doing this even if I lived in a swing state. But if it makes y'all feel any better, I'm in Alabama, where McCain is 20 points up, so I really don't think my vote for Baldwin is going to matter.

Darlene, bringing up Amnesty for illegal
immigrants is the LAST argument you want to make to convince someone to vote for McCain.

(Darlene wrote "Obama will allow and encourage thousands of illegal immigrants to become citizens of the U.S. so that they can vote deomocratic and then the Repulblican party could very well cease to exist." at 10:52 AM)


McCain, you may remember, was behind last year's push to grant citizenship to illegal aliens for a small, wavable fee. Yet another example of his stabbing conservatives and Republicans in the back.

helping families
at 9:39 AM Lon wrote: "There is also the funny idea above that helping families with children is an anti-family approach."

Lon, helping families is great.

State-sanctioned theft of money from someone in order to give it to a family with children, while possibly well-intentioned, is wrong.



On a similar note, at 9:17 PM Karen wrote: "McCain says he is for working class families like mine, but he gives a disproportionate amount of tax cuts to the wealthy. He is the one who is guilty of redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy!"

So, allowing people to keep their own money is the redistribution of wealth? I think they've got an opening at the Ministry of Truth for you.

Here's a clue - if the wealthy pay a disproportionate amount of taxes, a fair tax cut will disproportionately benifit them.

Values Voters are voting
Values Voters are voting: Voting for Obama a family man who didn’t leave his wife for a younger woman.

answers to Darlene's 9:32 AM post:
D: "... So compare McCain to Obama who will destroy this country. ... do you really understand what is at state [sic] here?"

Yes, I completely understand what is at stake.

Have you considered that Obama and both houses of congress must agree to get anything passed?

Look at the record of the GOP in congress against Clinton - they limited the growth of government better than any American regime in a very long time, got us welfare reform, and went from a budget deficit to a surplus.

These same GOP congressmen went on a spending spree when W took office. Their performance from 2001-2006 was abysmal, and they were properly punished in Nov 2006.

McCain as President will only be able to move the country left due to the Dem senate. He believes in government-as-solution, and likes to work with the other side. As with W, the GOP in congress will do what he wants out of party loyalty and/or arm-twisting.

Plus, he runs again in 2012, preventing a good conservative from running. Plus the GOP thinks the way you win is by running liberals, so we get a lousy candidate next time.


If Obama wins but the GOP retains 41 senate seats, they will fight him on everything just because he's a Democrat, and prevent the worst of his policies from becoming law. The improved performance of the remaining GOP, plus the loss of a liberal is more likely to give us a conservative candidate next time, along with a resurgence of conservatives in the congress.


To summarize, a comparison of McCain and Obama must include their interaction with congress, and how it will effect future elections.

I am completely comfortable with my vote for a real conservative even if it allows Obama to win.

mackerel-snappers unite!
Don't forget us mackerel-snappers! Pope nancy pulled a MAJOR boo-boo in Denver when she opined to a fellow sage (Tom Brokaw) that there is apparently some wiggle room in the Catholic Church's position on "when does life begin?" and from there there MUST be some wiggle room for liberal catholics to vote for bo because he has a catholic named joe "joey the mouth" biden on the ticket and bo was VERY big on pointing that out when he introduced him.

Wrong

As more than one bishop has been quick to point out the position of the Catholic church on abortion has never changed - at no time, under no circumstances - It is NEVER morally permissible. And more than one Catholic Bishop has publicly stated that for a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion candidate is a grave moral wrong.

Not a lot of wiggle room there.

Life begins at conception. Not much wiggle room there either.

This is NOT over.



Fellow mackerel snappers - please pray for catholics who support abortion to see the error of their ways and to repent.

Vote Bob Barr, not McCain the fake hero

McCain is a disgrace to the military. According to Pentagon record, when he was a Navy pilot, he crashed 5 fighter jets, the most in the history of the navy.

In one of the crashes on USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, he killed 134 US sailors. Before the Beirut barrack bombing, McCain was personally responsible for more US soldier deaths than anybody in the history of the great country.

That's no the record upon which to run for President.

As a value voter who values patriotism, I cannot vote for somebody who has killed so many American soldiers. My vote goes to Bob Barr. Now that's a true conservative.

I am very sceptical
The so-called "values voters" certainly do exist, but their diminished numbers and energized democrats makes them more of a non-factor. It all comes down to electoral votes, and the best guess is that Obama will pull exactly what he is polling. In states where Obama has crossed the 50% threshold, he will win. In states where 3rd party candidates pull something, the victory threshold will be less than 50%. In states where he pulls less, he will lose. Obama is polling above 50 in VA and OH. If this holds up next tuesday, it is game over.

Value Voters?
We need all the voters we can get, of course but, unfortunately, no wishful thinking is going to change the fact that this monkey in an empty suit masquerading as the savior of the land without showing anyone a single "miracle" he accomplished is very likely to become president.

If that should occur this is what you can look forward to: 1) Ideology that is completely at odds with the intentions of the Fore Fathers, 2) The systemic dismantling of institutions, not in name but in the core reasons for their existence, so as to serve this ideology, 3) A rapid decline from super power status to a large banana-obama republic with Castro-like ideology driving its mediocre accomplishments, and 4) Social upheaval with high risk for violence.

Values Voters?
I'm skeptical on the impact of "value voters". They certainly keep a low profile.
One of the important values is patriotism, enlightened patriotism as envisioned by our Fore Fathers. As an example: The ABC buffoons asked Sarah Palin if Nobama was less patriotic than McCain after some remarks she had made earlier which seemed to question B.O.’s patriotism. Palin answered in a neutral manner; otherwise she would have been pilloried by the MSM. The truth is that there is no comparison. McCain’s family history alone puts him ankles and above the pretender. With McCain’s honorable service and time as a POW followed by years of more honorable service in the Senate the Nobama pipsqueak doesn’t reach McCain’s little toe.
Then you look at B.O.’s early family life. A mother who must have been more than a little wacko when she marries a Kenyan fresh from his hut and then divorces the guy shortly after B.O.’s birth (the place of birth is in contention) marries some muslim that takes them to Indonesia. Does that sound like a family life conducive to being patriotic? I don’t think so. Nobama’s grandmother apparently took over parental responsibility which sounds like more instability in the pretender’s early life. Then as growing up he apparently gobbled up a lot of socialistic garbage. This set the stage for his college years and liberal left leanings and, later, very questionable associations and interactions cumulating with his political mediocre performance that certainly does not scream patriotism either.

It's actions not words
My mother and father taught me a long time ago to judge a person not be what they say, but by what they do. McCain and Palin have disappointed me by the following actions which contradict their words:

McCain says he is for working class families like mine, but he gives a disproportionate amount of tax cuts to the wealthy. He is the one who is guilty of redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy! Traditional Christian values follow the teachings of Jesus who advocated for the poor and said it would be easier for a rich man to fit through the eye of a needle than to get in to heaven.

Palin says she wants to protect the well-being of the unborn child, yet she showed blatent disregard for the well-being of her own unborn child when she put her un-born Downs-Syndrome baby at risk by flying all the way from Alaska to Texas to give a speech, staying an additional 4 hours after her water broke, flying back to Alaska without notifying the airline she was in labor with a high-needed, high-risk baby, driving an additional 90 minutes to a small, ill-equiped general practioners office and giving birth without a specialist or assitive technology in sight. That is not the action of someone who truly seeks to protect the unborn. If she carelessly disregarding the well-being of her own child, I can not entrust her with mine!

The reason these two candidate are so behind in the polls is that most of us are not buying what they are selling.

''Social'' pseudoconservatives...
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...reliably vote on two consistent premises.

Fear and hatred.

Nothing wrong with that, of course. They're sentiments as robust and personally valid as patriotism, and far more prevalent controlling motivations than enlightened self-interest or moral principle.

(( All three of these last strongly driving the individual to vote against Mocha Marvin on November 4th no matter how ghodawful that "bipartisan" RINO sonofabitch McCain truly and inescapably is. ))

The only question right now is whether the Campaign to Elect the Pseudoschvoogie (more commonly known as "the mainstream media") has successfully driven the religious wingnuts into such a total funk that they go into catatonia and stay home in droves next Tuesday.

Herd animals do things in droves, y'know.

It'll be interesting to watch.

If Medved's Marching Morons fail to rise from their Barcaloungers next week, we get eight years of a Coppertone'd version of Jimmy Carter on methamphetamine.

If they do, we get Crash Test Johnnie, who will just screw us to death more slowly (the conjoint effects of arthritis and Cialis).

But either way, folks, we're screwed.





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"As for me, I am deeply a democrat; this is why I am in no way a socialist. Democracy and socialism cannot go together. You can't have it both ways... socialism is a new form of slavery."

-- Alexis de Tocqueville

A Values Voter
To answer your question Susan,
The POTUS will gladly put baseball ahead of other worldly needs. It's his specialty, and especially to focus on a distraction in which the American People should concentrate on a favorite pastime rather than the dismal economic and societal outlook. Lord hope and praying that he will take up the mantle of Major League Baseball after his departure from the White House.

A Values Voter
To answer your question Susan,
The POTUS will gladly put baseball ahead of other worldly needs. It's his specialty, and especially to focus on a distraction in which the American People should concentrate on a favorite pastime rather than the dismal economic and societal outlook. Lord hope and praying that he will take up the mantle of Major League Baseball after his departure from the White House.

A Values Voter
The values voters of 2 and 4 years ago are still there. Had the iraq crisis, prisoner issue, war and INCREDIBLE DEFICIT AND SPENDING not occurred, things might be different. But how anyone can give a flying f**k about two nondescript women (or men) marrying in some remote city, where they have no impact on our way of life -- when all that the average person has known, all that we have worked for, is being hosed down in a 401(k) or retirement account and risking the life and limb of their family's future, is beyond me. For god's sake, we are dying here! The only reason I can continue to survive is that I have a paying job, and don't need to retire for another 20 years. I can no longer think of problems with marriage. I have my own mess to deal with, and god willing, I will get through it.

Traditionalist for Obama
Although a big fan, I am one traditionalist, orthodox Catholic voter who is voting for Obama, and the first democrat in my life. The right-wing of the Republican party, once my home has fallen off a cliff of anti-intellectualism and ideology.

whose values?
The term "values voters" is utterly ridiculous.

Dubbing one group of people (who hold what some call "traditional values" and others may call reactionary values) "values voters" would seem to imply that the rest of us don't have any values. But everybody has values, and not everybody has the same values.

Some of us value life after birth, which is why we oppose the death penalty and support gun control. Some of us value science, peace, human rights, social justice, civil rights, protecting the environment, etc. Many of these same people oppose unnecessary wars, lying to congress, using torture, spying on citizens, and colluding with big oil companies. And this is what leads us to oppose the current administration and support Obama.

My vote reflects my values, and what else could it possibly reflect? Economic opportunism? Not likely: I have a high taxable income, and McCain has promised to protect people in my demographic and in my income-bracket a lot more than Obama has. (I do believe that a McCain administration would significantly worsen the already dismal economy, but I also know that it would be the working and middle classes that would bear the brunt of this - long before I would feel any real pain).

Nobody has the monopoly on values, just like nobody has the monopoly on Christianity (not the Pope, not the evangelicals, not the liberation theologists). In a constitutional democracy we can vehemently disagree about many things, and we can do so in a respectful and productive way that ensures every voice is heard and every vote is counted. This works best if we refrain from calling each other immoral.

Values Voters
"Be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove", instructed Someone Famous a long time ago. The "wise as a serpent" part is deeply neglected by a lot of the ExpensivelySchooled,and sametime Poorly Educated,of us. Mr. Medved's essay registers True to me. Obama/s little record is rife with Red Flag Alerts that reek of danger for now & future Americans. Being "gentle" with men for abortion is lethally Unwise for every American

value=Bush
So it was the "value voters" that are responsible for the nightmare of the last eight years? and you want more? Please spread this news!!

TONIGHT - TIME SENSITIVE
Could you help me start a move to ask people to boycott TV from 8-8:30 tonight? I feel like conservatives and centrists need to send liberals a message that we are not all in their pocket, and if we turn off our TVs, there is no way the numbers can be scewed to say 75 billion people watched the already annointed Man of the People.

If you need to you can record O'Reilly at 11 pm (10 central) and watch it the next day. You can turn the TVs back on for the World Series after his speech.

PS - how can a man be for the people who is willing to put his campaign ahead of the World Series..one of the few good news stories out there! Baseball has always kept America going in hard times.

The day someone can hang a VP candidate in effigy and it still be considered free speech is a little frightening to me. No condemnation from the other candidate for that. That's what the people in the mideast that hate America do with people they don't like...they burn or hang effigies or the flag. I have to keep reciting all the "Don't be afraid" and "God is in Control" scriptures to myself. I don't even recognize the America I grew up in when I listen to much of the public discourse today whether in blogs or on TV.

I got to go to Sarah's rally here in Tampa Sunday. She saw my "Jane the Teacher" sign, acknowledged it in here speech (that takes presence of mind) and even took the time to sign it aferwards. She took lots of time to visit with people and was very personable. She didn't seem bothered at all by the crush of the crowd.

O'Reilly pointed out on Letterman the other night that she is a self-made woman. No rich uncle, no one greasing the skids for her.

take care and God bless,

Susan
Teacher for McCain
Tampa

Values Voters & Election Day Surprise
One of the main hallmarks of our Constitution is that it bars the censorship of speech, books and newspapers. We didn't have film back when the Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights, but I would imagine they'd have taken a dim view of censoring film had that medium existed way back when. But Mr. Medved, who has made a career out of declaring that his "values," are better than the those "others," in the Democratic Party has continuously supported government censorship since he first made himself known to the American people, representing a party whose last great hope is that racism is still virulent enough in America to bar a better candidate who happens to be black from becoming President. Mr. Medved has always allied himself with bigots, is a bigot and has made a career out of whipping up bigotry and the support of some very unamerican values. But it appears that he and his ilk are now all washed up. And good riddance.

A values voter goes for Obama
Electing a Republican who was percieved to be strong on values issues has robbed the Republican party of being able to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility, superior foreign policy skills and in doing so discredited them as the party of family values as well.

I have been married for nearly 20 years, I am active in my church and have strong family values. That is why I am voting for Obama.

Oh, Egon...
I thought "values voters" weren't supposed to care about the economy? Anyway, McCain voted to partially federalize the banks too, you know.

That said, we're all Statists here. McCain wants to use the federal government to control people as much as Obama does. He just wants to use that governmental control do different things (like, say, control what women can and can't do with things that may be attached to the inside of their bodies, and give the very wealthy people lots of money while people with very little die from lack of healthcare.)

Obama's Communist Friends and Allies
Barack Obama was mentored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis, Communist writer and poet (1905-1987).

Frank Marshall Davis was identified unequivocally as a CPUSA member in a 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities.

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Barack Obama carefully chose William 'Bill' Ayers who said, "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."

In the 1960s, Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers were leaders of the "Weatherman" faction, which in 1969 went underground to become America's first terrorist cult.

Barack Obama launched his political career in the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

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Alice Palmer met Barack Obama during meetings at the home of Bill Ayers and hand picked Obama to fill her newly vacated 'State Senate Seat'.

Alice Palmer served as an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a Communist front group.

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Michael Klonsky was chosen by Barack Obama as a blogger on the 'Obama official Website'. Klonsky a former leader of 'SDS' - Students for a Democratic Society and a leader of the 'New Communist Party'.

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Tim Wheeler is a National Board member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and has been a key figure in the party's Baltimore chapter since the early 1970s. He helped organize local canvassing and visibility events for Obama, and he chronicled his experiences on the campaign trail in a blog that appeared on the Obama campaign website.

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Jeremiah Wright was carefully chosen by Barack Obama to 'Mentor' him and be his spiritual guide.

Mentor Wright became famous for screaming 'God Damn America' from the pulpit at TUCC.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

What voters value
This is not 2004. This time, more people in Ohio are concerned about their jobs than whether the gay couple down the street gets married. Besides, you can only put that on the referendum once.

BTW: A local poll indicates McCain only holds a two-point lead here in Arizona...

It's not just Wright...
The real key is the fact that Trinity UCC preaches politics as written by James Cone, who is essentially Wright's "spiritual" mentor. Read his books "Black Theology & Black Power" and "A Black Theology of Liberation", and see the REAL significance of Jeremiah Wright! Believe me, it goes way beyond shouting "God d*mn America!" - a long way.

Sweetener for your Kool-Aid "F" AE




http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm


Oblahma-Bin-Biden can't be trusted to manage a three chair shoe-shine parlor...in Haiti!

landslide alert
Man, I'd hate to be hiking on a mountain with Medved the political philosopher..

Litmus Test Voter and Proud of It!


A candidate’s stance on life is a litmus test for me. To me there is no equivocation over the protection of the innocent and while, if you are intelligent -- such as with Obama -- I will listen to what you have to say as to why you hold your views (I am unafraid of any test that could shake my pro-life convictions), but ultimately it is impossible for you to get my vote.

I also am a student of economics and have always been convinced of the theoretical and actual superiority of Republican economics that relies on private initiative and low taxes at its core. So it is that I have no problem supporting the Republican Party.

I bask in the simple certainly of my worldview and stand in awe of the complicated apparatus such as the media and the Democratic Party that must be assembled and arrayed against it.

Obama made clear in his reaction to the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act that a woman’s right to have an abortion performed on her is of such paramount importance that he would equivocate and risk ambiguity in the entitlement of an infant born alive after a botched abortion to receive medical care that would ease its life into natural death, that he was an abortion absolutist as a matter of philosophy. He really believes the virtue of his position. Educable? Perhaps. But dangerous to the life of the innocent for sure. A man who would countenance slaughter and genocide.

Enough said?

I'm a "Values Voter"
Except I don't think we agree on what "values" mean, Mr Medved.

My values include equal pay for equal work, not letting people die or go bankrupt because they have the misfortune of being poor, letting women have control over their bodies, treating couples equally regardless of gender and sexual orientation, not getting our country mired in wars (that kill thousands of our countrymen and send them back for third or fourth tours if they don't die the first time-- how's that for a philosophy of death?), and global diplomacy and friendship.

We're going to see a surge of values voters-- they just won't be the values you're thinking of.

Chris in AL
Quote from your first post:

"This year, I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin, not McCain."

I am no big McCain fan either, but I feel that if you vote for Baldwin, then it's a waisted vote. I admire the fact that you want to make a statement, but if reps decide to turn their back on McCain and vote for someone besides Obama, that'll mean Obama is up by that many more votes. If Baldwin had any chance of winning at all, I may consider voting for him myself. But he doesn't. If you don't want Obama to be elected, then I hope you reconsider your choice to use your vote on a candidate who has no chance.

I too am value voter
I too am value voter. I am fasting and praying the next 6 days. I encourage other Christians to cry out for mercy and grace. Even fast.I have heard one person say they heard from the Lord that the cry for "change" has been louder than the cry for mercy. This election is bigger than most understand. We don't want to look like Europe. We don't want to socialize. We don't want to have a society that our kids grow up in that is amoral. my sister lives in France it is terrible. The government tells them how to raise the kids etc

Ridiculous Premise
This article is disengenuous, at best.

Bush led Kerry in the polls by 2-3% throughout the 2004 race, and eventually won by a margin of 3% of the popular vote (51% to 48%) and 286 electoral votes to 252.

There was no surprise vote at all; this article is nothing more than wishful spin with no correlation to the present election at all. Obama leads by an AVERAGE of 6% of the popular vote and an amazing 311 elecoral votes to 157 with only 70 toss-up votes. The real correlation is with Reagan in 1984, but no one can publish that -not at Townhall, of course.

An appeal to Doug of NJ & all Christians
For Doug of NJ who wrote:
Evangelicals for Obama
I am a committed Christian too, and I want to appeal to you and all committed Christians as a brother in the Lord to reconsider your vote for Obama. You asked a great question: "Why should we vote for a party that is pro-life, but totally messes up the country?" I have a simple answer: because a pro-life candidate is much more pleasing to Christ than one who will guarantee unrestricted abortion without end. If Obama is elected, the first piece of legislation he said that he would sign is the "Freedom of Choice Act." This will make unrestricted abortion the law of the land, including partial birth abortion. It will sweep away all the progress we have made since 1973 with one piece of legislation. Why would any Christian want to help promote such an evil agenda? You said that "the important issues go way beyond abortion," but I'd like to challenge you on that point. What is the point of worrying about health care, education, the war, the economy, or any other issue of importance if you're dead? And 50 million unborn babies are dead, thanks largely to the Democrats, the "party of death." Their unrelenting devotion to abortion is what has "totally messed up" our country morally and spiritually! If a nation can kill the innocent unborn baby, then anything becomes possible. The right to have a life is the most important, fundamental right of free people. Only when our country defeats the evil of abortion, an evil of demonic origin, will our country recover its economic, social, and political health. A nation's moral and spiritual health is the foundation for its freedom and prosperity. As a brother Christian, I appeal to all the followers of Christ to understand that a vote for Obama and the pro-abortion Dems in Congress is another vote to perpetuate the moral sickness of our nation and perhaps bring this nation under God's judgment.

So Democrat = Immoral?
Mr. Medved, your headline suggest that if you vote Republican, you are "moral" and if you don't, you are, well "immoral". You can hide that thought in the article, but your suggestion is ridiculous and insulting.

So Democrat = Immoral?
Mr. Medved, your headline suggest that if you vote Republican, you are "moral" and if you don't, you are, well "immoral". You can hide that thought in the article, but your suggestion is ridiculous and insulting.

MCCAIN-PALIN RIGHT ON !
OBAMA IS A NIGHT MARE!

I hope you are right!
I am one of those value voters and I am casting my vote for Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin. While the Republicans are not necessarily the party of "life" they do not even come close to the Democrats which have the dubious distinction of being the "party of death." With Obama in the White House, the moral fabric of our nation will get even worse. When asked by Rev. Rick Warren when human life begins, McCain answers, "At the moment of conception," while Obama equivocated all over the place then added that the answer to that question was "above my pay grade." That was the last straw for me.

Are there enough values voters?
Can values voters offset the enormous increase in black and youth voters? That's the determining question of this campaign.

Relatively new center-right blog:

http://www.politicsandpunditry.com - come read and comment!

Evangelicals for Obama
I agree with the poster who said that a surprising number of Evangelicals will be voting for Obama. I'm one of them. Many of us are very disatisfied with the Republican Party and believe that the important issues go way beyond abortion. Why should we vote for a party that is pro-life, but totally messes up the country? There are issues of racial equality, being good stewards of the environment and care for the poor that are also important and better addressed by the Democrats.

Hershey, PA Mccain/Palin rally yesterday
M daughter and I braved the cold rain along with some 10,000 others to see John and Sarah. We were not disapointed. 'Twas a great event with a great turn out for our great GOP cnadidates.

park
"As for the constitution, nobody has shredded it more than your Republican presdient, George Bush"

Yawn! Every time I hear one of you libs make that phoney charge, I'm reminded of another President from the past. Like Bush, he got us into an unpopular war. Like Bush, he refused to back down from fighting the war even when popular support for it waned. Like Bush, he was accused of "shredding the Constitution."

Who was that President? Abraham Lincoln.

The Real Underlying Question
I would agree there is an underlying Christian population in this country that can exert a significant influence in elections, but the real question is how far their faith-belief carries them. How substantial is their adherence and how much does its impact their lives? Those who try to live their faith will not be deceived by those who pretend. But a country gets in its leaders what it is in its base population.

Voters Values
If you value the conservative view, you will vote conservative, if you value the liberal view, then you will vote liberal.

" Where your treasure is, there your heart shall be also "

When people say that they are moderate, they are really compromising their convervative view, or they are compromising their liberal view,
or they may not know for sure what they believe.

We need to continue to argue our side, convincing them that the conservative view is the way to vote.

We who know the truth, need to take a stand.

Most of all we need to go out and VOTE.

My blog web page is
joehakun.blogtownhall.com

This week I am posting on 10/29, 10/30, and 10/31. Time 12:00 am

I know you will like them.

On there are blogs I did in 2006, I did on the the Congressional Elections.
I also wrote a document called, " The Presidential Election of 2004 "
If you email me at joehakun@verizon.net, I will send you a copy of it.

Thank you,
Joe Hakun

the gap is closing
More good news this morning. The Gallup tracking poll today has McCain within just 2 points of Barack Obama.

This race is incredibly close, despite what the media says. Obama simply cannot close the deal. He has a hard time breaking past 48 or 49% of the vote.

The American people have grave reservations about this man becoming president.

The National Republican Trust PAC will drive home this weekend a simple message: Obama cannot be trusted to become our president.

Their new ad reminds voters about Obama's long friendship with the Rev. Wright. It is now airing in key swing states.

This ad was airing in battleground states and it to begin running the ad nationally on the major TV networks.

http://www.goptrust.com


Charles AK Oct 29, 2008 - 2:58 PM EST

Great comment!

Don Juan
All that foreign aid we give Israel is a bribe so they don't wipe out the Moslems.

I say we stop paying them to leave the Moslems alone.

wuzzledorf
'I've talked to a few exMass. people out on the Internet...Conservatives...they moved out of the state. Governor Romney tried mostly futilely to get conservative issues passed in a fillibuster-proof state. He refused to run for reelection. Those people can't even put a marriage amendment on the ballot to try to overturn their liberal Supreme Court judges. A state amendment would have to get through their liberal Congress...an impossibility"
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Imagine what McCain will not be able to accomplish with liberal washington. He will not be able to get conservatives on the supreme court. He will not be able to get much done for values voters. It appears he will not be able to get much done at all.

Let's Hope So Micheal,
But let's not don't depend on it. It's time to bring back all three legs of Reagan's conservative stool, every conservative, indeed every independent and every democrat, all proud Americans have a vested interest in defeating Obama before he can take away our freedoms.

Here's one way to help, watch these videos and and share this link:

http://nationalrepublicantrust.com/



Park-#76

Nobody even uses the term "values voters" any more except old white people:
Ok-what do you call people who care about the values of this country. Good Grief-get over the words-it's the meaning behind them that matters.

As for the constitution, nobody has shredded it more than your Republican presdient, George Bush, who "values voters" elected twice, something that has taught us all a lesson: You are right-let's have the other party shred what's left of the constitution. According to OBH-it is no longer valid for today anyway.

Another dead idea is your notion that liberals don't care about their families, their communities, or their country: I do not believe liberals have no concerns for country, communities and families. It is the core beliefs that liberals regarding those things that concern me. Why does the government have to do everything??? Once the govt. takes over, you never get it back-ever. Families, communities and country should be dealt with by those who live there-churches, community centers, charities. NOT GOVERNMENT-which really means all of us-since govt cannot do those things it wants to do without taking our money from us.

That's a tired idea that people like yourself re-cycle endlessly because you can't seem to hold, or create, an idea that goes any deeper than a bumper sticker: Since you can only assume what I am like based on my words-I guess the same is true for you. Your words tell me that you do not wish to converse about these very important issues-you want to denigrate those who do not believe as you do. I think we could learn from each other-that's what has made this country great. Limiting those discussions and lessons to one party over the other-regardless of who is in power- is detrimental for as all. It is not about the ideas, but how these ideas are carried out that is at stake. BHO does NOT have the best interests of this country-conservatives and liberals-at heart.

MSederoff
Interesting observations about our immigrants. I couldn't agree more. I hope that most of them will overlook the wingnut rants of last year, and vote conservative.
I will go further and observe that many of them do become patriots in the old fashioned sense (grateful for this country), as many immigrants do. I am far more favorably disposed toward them than I am toward people born and raised here who are cheering goddammm amerikkka sermons.

Will the last American turn out light
Not all change is right. Germany wanted change in the 30's and 40's-they got Hitler.
Given the framework that the constitution gives us, the 'change' that OHB wants to impose on this country will make this country unrecognizable. I can only imagine the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

matthew (CA)
settle down.
Sen McCains divorce decades ago is history. It's been fully publicly aired. Like Reagan's. Long ago. He has publicly been asked, and has publicly answered. His first wife is in fact supporting him for president.
Nothin' there, hoss.

Bigger question is why do you think you have to tear Sen McCain down in order to build up your guy?
The fact that we don't join you in it shouldn't detract from your own hero worship, so have at it. (You do know that you can't have him tho, right?).

Dear Al from IL


Il Al,
You provided us with a RAFT of reading all in one post; but what is it you tried to say? Oh-- You hate George Bush/

You see everything by 20-20 hindsight. But, for whatever reason, you think Bush should've used 20-20 foresight, never making any bad calls. He had no crytal ball, Al!

"Why didn't they criticize Bush and call the administration out on certain issues? Where is the backbone and courage. It is easy to criticize the other side,"

For the same reasons. It's easy to talk now with your hindsight. Nobody here had a crystal ball. Why do you arrive now, acting as if "I told them so." --???

For all our concerns
regarding illegal immigration (and I am adamantly against it, by the way) I still believe that we have been blessed by the high percentage of Catholic people who have come here from Mexico.

Thank God our immigration problem does not translate into a bunch of primitive Neanderthals worshiping a false god and trying to pull our country back into the dark ages, as it does in Europe.

The Dems think that all Hispanics will vote with them because of their desire to get entitlements, but...as we see in California, Hispanic voters are sensitive to moral issues and those who put God first may delivery a big surprise.

God does work in mysterious ways.

Bravo, Linda from MO


Good post, Linda--

Yeah; after unloading 290GAZILLION bucks, (other peoples money) cornering the Hollywood vote; thrilling the hell out of mainstream journalists and being deceptively represented by the press;

Obambi still can't widen on McCain in the polls-- which may well be pro-Obamite--

What does it TAKE to sell his snake oil? This guy's never going to be President!

Huh?
"The citizens of the Golden State face a fateful choice in the wake of the State Supreme Court’s controversial 4 to 3 decision to mandate gay marriage."

Mandate? What about those gays who don't want to get married. Or the straight people who definitely don't want to marry a gay....

Does anybody proof this stuff? Or does Medved's bias prevent him from accurately framing the argument?

His first wife
supports Sen McCain.
That being the case, not sure why it's a problem for matthew and shelby.
However, we're not interviewing someone for church elder here. We're interviewing someone for president of the UNITED STATES, and CIC of their armed forces.
Guess you guys would rather have someone who doesn't move his weak spine out of the pew when his radical pastor goddamms america (instead names a book after him). Doesn't object to his friend standing on the flag for the cover of his book. (instead writes a little promo blurb for the book).
Tells you it would be false patriotism to wear a flag on his lapel. Oh woops, he was truthful about that one.
Yeah, that guy sounds much better for the job than say someone who has ACTUALLY put himself on the line to defend America.

President McCain
"The Value Voter", is still out there, and they will be coming out in droves. We will see if most people will let Junior buy the election and agree with all his other "progressive" ideas.
He's pro life, he's pro choice, hey, he's both, depending on which day you ask him. tax breaks for under $250,000, $200,000, $150,000, which is it Barry? 57 states, 59 states? hu????
It makes you dizzy as to know what he truly believes.
Yes, Obama is such a caring man, he thinks partial birth abortion is a good thing. It's no big deal to suck the brains out of a baby, and let the baby die. If Planned Parenthood believes it, it must be good. The man is so compassionate. That's the change we need in a President. He says take care of the least of us, these are the least of us, Barry. and your brother is too.
Obviously obama is not as good as he thinks he is or he would be running away with this election. In fact, he's losing ground and the Daily Kos crowd has been freaking out. Get a grip people.
His chickens are coming home to roost, as his best friend rev. wright would say.

If he actually had some background that wasn't linked to radicals, if he had experience or accomplishments? What has he done? Nada

chelsea is no beauty


He was right about Chelsea.

The woman he divorced was herself a divorcee. He picked her up on the rebound.

His language is fairly common in today's military, regrettably. (Mac used to be a sailor.)

McCain is used to criticism. Your grain of sand, Shelby, is duly noted. What else is on your wee mind?

The drool is dripping
off those democratic fangs.
So close to absolute power...so close.

Godd news form Gallup this AM
More good news this morning. The Gallup tracking poll today has McCain within just 2 points of Barack Obama.

This race is incredibly close, despite what the media says. Obama simply cannot close the deal. He has a hard time breaking past 48 or 49% of the vote.

The American people have grave reservations about this man becoming president.

The National Republican Trust PAC will drive home this weekend a simple message: Obama cannot be trusted to become our president.

Their new ad reminds voters about Obama's long friendship with the Rev. Wright. It is now airing in key swing states.

This ad was airing in battleground states and it to begin running the ad nationally on the major TV networks.

http://www.goptrust.com


Matthew
Was JM's first wife your sister or daughter? You had rather support infanticide than divorce. Amazing. I am still trying to figure that one out.
I am voting Republican. Just in case you needed to know that for some poll or something.

"Will the Return...
...of Values Voters Bring Another Election Day Surprise?" We can but hope. They are our last-ditch stand against the forces of cultural deterioration as championed by the Obama-messiah.

Now, a comment RE: "according to many leading pundits, Barack Obama has neutralized moral issues with his inclusive rhetoric about unity and respect and his comfort in talking about his Christian faith..." This statement clearly demonstrates three things: 1) the penchant of pundits for wishful thinking; 2) their complete ignorance of what constitutes real values; and 3) that the term "pundit" is a synonym for "pinhead."

Kathy
Wake up! Wke up! It's 2008!

Nobody even uses the term "values voters" any more except old white people.

As for the constitution, nobody has shredded it more than your Republican presdient, George Bush, who "values voters" elected twice, something that has taught us all a lesson.

Another dead idea is your notion that liberals don't care about their families, their communities, or their country. That's a tired idea that people like yourself re-cycle endlessly because you can't seem to hold, or create, an idea that goes any deeper than a bumper sticker.

park
I sincerely hope that most of the left is as deluded as you are, my friend.

If so, McCain will have no problem winning this election.

Period.

Medved cites gay marriage,
and there's no way to know how that will turn out, but it no longer has the power to elect a know-nothing Republican president, and, if you'll notice, it's about the only social issue that's on the map. By the next election, there will be even more young people voting, and that issue will die a quiet death for the majority of people just like climate change as a liberal plot, teaching prayer in school, etc.

We have bigger fish to fry these days. That's what Palin and McCain are finding out, the hard way.

Taft
Just because someone volunteers for the Marine Corps (as I did) doesn't necessarily mean that person loves his country. In my unit there was a guy who was always reading the Thoughts of Chairman Mao. When he was asked about this he said Mao was a great man and great leader. He asked me what I thought of him and I said that it was surprising that God hadn't removed Mao from the world before He did (this was after Mao died). He got very upset that I didn't think about Mao the way he did. If I were you I would be very careful before I said someone loves his country simply because he signed up for the military. It isn't always true.

kathy and Joycey
Park is right; what's left of values voters pretty much is reflected by the regulars on TH who have nothing else to do all day except talk about how Obama is going to mass a communist army at the borders and take over the country.

You are both representative of the views that Republicans are going to disavow, there is an entire new generation of voters out there who think people like you are just old, out-of-it cranks, whose lives are so small that the only emotion you have left is fear. They find conservatives like yourself funny, they do parodies of you.

Park is right, the world is changing, and those who can't change with it will get thrown off the bus.

Sinking ship
I've talked to a few exMass. people out on the Internet...Conservatives...they moved out of the state. Governor Romney tried mostly futilely to get conservative issues passed in a fillibuster-proof state. He refused to run for reelection. Those people can't even put a marriage amendment on the ballot to try to overturn their liberal Supreme Court judges. A state amendment would have to get through their liberal Congress...an impossibility.

Park-#76
You had better hope that those value voters you bash continue to vote. It is only by their values that you still have your freedoms given to us by the constitution. If Obama wins, you can kiss this country as we know it goodbye-he will change the constitution and our country to look like Europe.
But you know the interesting thing? The Europeans are learning that liberalism does not work-and they are beginning to abandon those beliefs.
I can assure that those voters who cherish the family, marriage, and God's morality are alive and well-regardless of what the press says.

Abortion as birth control
Park - MN- Snake was not a good term to use for the Republican right. That term as Biblical conotations...
While a senator in Illinois Obama voted four times against a bill to require that hospitals provide aborted late term babies medical care necessary to insure they have a chance at life. http://www.frcaction.org/get.cfm?i=AL08J01 Why was this bill so important Republicans attempted to get it passed four times? Because even though, under President Bush Partial Birth Abortion was declared illegal and the practice of blowing up an infant’s head just seconds before aborting the infant late term was stopped…late term abortions were not stopped and were and are still being performed. Infants are and were at that time being aborted alive and laid aside. Obama’s solution. He fathered a bill to require hospitals to provide a quiet room where the infants could die and possibly be held by a compassionate nurse during the child’s last moments.

Lefties can't lose
No matter the outcome on Nov.4, the left wins.

If Obama gets in, then the muslim/socialists can claim an election day victory and return home to watch Oprah and The View while they wait on their government checks.

If McCain wins then they can watch their Hollywood idols,NY Times, and NBC report how the voters were disenfranhised and how racism is still alive and well in 2008.

I suspect that between ACORN and the Obama mass media that this time next week we will have P.E. Obama.

Then comes all the wonderful cocktail parties where he will be hailed as the greatest President ever from day one.

Oh, and by the way all of you common Lefties, you will not be invited. Such affairs are reserved for those who don't shop at Wal-Mart.

Joycey- (
How come people in Mass. keep voting in those who will keep those liberal values in place? Are there no conservative (not necessarily republican)voters who want to see change in Mass??? Between Kennedy and Frank, they seem to have a stranglehold on Mass.
Keep speaking the truty Joycey-maybe someday there will be enough people willing to step up and speak, and Mass can be brought back into the fold:-)

Values Count First
Here in California we are going to pass Prop 8 which is a state constitutional amendment to protect traditional marriage. We will prove that values count...that 4 liberal judges will not overturn the voice of 61% of the voters. Biden came out openly against our Prop 8 on the Ellen Degeneres Show while also reitterating that Obama has also made a stand against marriage amendments. This will bite them on election day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlGqX0E6QDo
Why is this important?
Boston Catholic Charities had to close all adoption agencies in the state of Massachusetts where gay marriage has been made legal rather than adopt to gays and lebians or lose tax exemption. Elementary children in Massachusetts are being taught gay is OK without parental notification because courts have ruled notification is not necessary because gay has been declared normal.

McCain and Palin both endorse state constitutional marriage amendments to protect traditional marriage.


To Informed Voter Reply #26
Yes indeedy-you go ahead and trade greed and exploitation in-what you will get in return from Obama is higher taxes, your hard work paying for those who don't work so they can have a good life too-it's only fair. And you can count on more babies getting killed with federal $$$, health care on par with Canada and Britian, no more free speech, for starters. If all of this isn't greed and exploitation from Obama, I don't know what is.

What's amazing to me
is the degree of self-delusion that I read on TH, something I only do now for about 15 minutes a day.

The "values voters" Medved talks about are voting for Obama, the conservative movement is in a shambles and those who used to think that the country would fail or succeed on whether or not the earth began 6,000 years ago are now voting on the economy, recognize that America is changing and the power of the religious right to hold republicans hostage has gone the way of big hair and sun-dried tomatoes.

America, at least those who don't base their philosphy of life on Medved and Hannity, has moved on. The Republican party, in it's efforts to re-define itself, will shed "values voters" and the religious right like a snake and it's skin.

McCain can't win
At this time last year Kerry was behind in the national polls and trailing or dead even in states he needed to carry. This time around that is not the case. Its not a matter of if McCain will lose - its a matter of how badly he will lose. The voters are voting against 8 years of corruption and appalling bad leadership.

@Desert Rat

Righties - the sorest losers in the world.

And you can absolutely count on this --
IF McCain should win the election, America will be subjected to --

TONS of legal wrangling and haggling and clogging by the left (because all their efforts to steal the election didn't work).

RIOTING will be taking place across the land, at least in some of our major cities.

Count on it.

Lefties -- the sorest losers in the world.

C'mon Righties!!
We have a chance -- maybe a good one. Let's turn out and go ahead and vote for McCain. I know, he's not my favorite either. But consider the alternative. SCARY!!

If we don't do this, folks, we'll only have ourselves to blame for the certain destruction of America.

Socialism in '09 -- communism after that.

More Insight into Obama's Values
American citizens we are outraged at the failure of the Press to report pertinent facts surrounding the candidate Barack Obama and this and other associations, and believe that on the eve of our elections, this gross censorship may have placed our Democratic government and Natiional Security in "Clear and Present Danger."

As citizens for the Truth in Media, we demand the story of Obama/Odinga be reported to the American people in time to learn the facts before the November elections.

We hereby petition CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, The New York Times, Washington Post and FOX TV NEWS to report this story and give it the attention it deserves as a LEAD Story NOW, before it is too late.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obama-odinga

More "values voters" please!
So we have the "values voters" to thank for George W. Bush?

We have the "values voters" to thank for a $1 trillion unprovoked war?

We have the "values voters" to thank for a $1 trillion Wall St. bailout?

True, the frozen embryos in the fertility clinics are safe.

If we get many more "values voters", we'll be living in the stone age.

values voters
So called "values-voters" voted in Bush who has been among the most incompetent presidents in American History.

I think you will be surprised how many evangelicals and values voters who will be voting for Obama.

We know realize that a president actually needs to be intelligent.


Don Juan
Israel consistently won wars against the Arabs before they started getting aid from us (after the Camp David accords). Why do you imagine that the results of future wars would have been different?

Darlene
It only benefits Obama if you assume the voter otherwise would have voted McCain.

Even then, votes are tallied into electorals so for example myself I happen to live in an area that will likely go to McCain even though the urban vote will carry Michigan and Obama.

If I vote McCain in a precinct that is going McCain anyway, my McCain vote does nothing except tell McCain that I voted for him and approve. It gets lost in the mix. However if I vote independent, then McCain knows I don't approve, the independant can count my vote and still does nothing to put Obama in the White House. It's a small message to send but worth it. It too often gets spun that the independant vote always helps the winner defeat the loser in any given election.

No doubt I can afford this because of where I live and were I living in an urban area my choice may not be so clear.

Palin does sweeten McCain and I like her on the ticket however she would still only be VP.

It is no doubt a mixed bag this year. If I thought my vote would mean more going for McCain, (if the race were close here where I live) then I would have to re-think the strategy.

Overall I think it's important for people to vote from a point of conviction over party loyalty. Reagan said that when a party no longer stands for ones convictions, it's time to look for a new party. (paraphrased, not an exact quote.)

Taft
I agree that Wright didn't hate his country 40 years ago when he enlisted with the Marines, but there is little doubt that he does now. I have listened to 3 of his recorded sermons and am not sure whether I should be more dismayed at the hate coming from his lips, or the way Obama's congregation lapped it up.

As for value voters making a difference in this election, I don't think they will. It is true that they were decisive in the 2004 election. However, in this election their vote will be nullified by the huge influx of homeless and welfare voters, who are going for Obama 98%.

Al
Another wonderful mindless liberal on the loose. I wish you at least had a brain. If you are going to argue about anything at least have a little clue what you are talking about. Let's see Chris Matthews there is a real journalist. And the list goes on exponentially. Sorry I used a big word that you will have to look up. Don't bother it means infinitely in this context. I have to say stuff like this because idiots like you who think they have a clue, have none. The MSM is so far off the deep end for Obama that it is ridiculous. And just because you think he is sexy and you get a tingling up your leg when you see him does not make him a good person or someone who can be trusted in the White House. And you have no idea what a regular joe even looks like.

Values don't even play a part
in this election if you're considering voting for Obama. A man who has lied, associated with terrorists and racist pastors and is anti-America leaves a lot to be desired in the area of values. Obama and his leftist illuminati ideals will cause our country's values to continue to decline.

Al
Another wonderful mindless liberal on the loose. I wish you at least had a brain. If you are going to argue about anything at least have a little clue what you are talking about. Let's see Chris Matthews there is a real journalist. And the list goes on exponentially. Sorry I used a big word that you will have to look up. Don't bother it means infinitely in this context. I have to say stuff like this because idiots like you who think they have a clue, have none. The MSM is so far off the deep end for Obama that it is ridiculous. And just because you think he is sexy and you get a tingling up your leg when you see him does not make him a good person or someone who can be trusted in the White House. And you have no idea what a regular joe even looks like.

STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY
The Bible says the the devil came to steal, kill and destroy. Christ said "I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly". Obama has all the attributes of satan. Obama came to slaughter the innoncent unborn and born babies. Obama came to steal from hard working Americans and give to others. Last but not least Obama came to destroy America.

It's not just Obama
It's the entire Democrat party at the national levels, and maybe a few State and county levels too.

western bondbeam
A vote for Baldwin may be a vote for Baldwin but it benefits Obama so therefore is really a vote for Obama. If Obama is elected Repulicans will most likely cease to exist because once the democrats gain complete power they will do whatever they can to keep it. Obama will allow and encourage thousands of illegal immigrants to become citizens of the U.S. so that they can vote deomocratic and then the Repulblican party could very well cease to exist. Also, while McCain may be a Democrat, Palin on the other hand is not. The liberals are always saying what if McCain dies Palin will be a heart beat away from the Presidency. If that were to happen (not that I wish him to die) but I would have my conservative President.

Medved.. too little way too late!!

I think it does no good crying about the MSM press. For many conservative commentators, many who are not journalists yet try to give the impression that they have the same skills.

The Malkins, Medveds, Coulters are eating and living very well now. It is of little importance to them who wins. If Obama wins, they will be still be in business. These same neo-con commentators defended Bush to the hilt when he built the largest most inept federal government and national debt of all time. While we can pass blame on both sides of aisle where it is deserved, the buck stops with the president.

It is very sad that while Bush was building the crater for the next GOP candidate and in a real sense causing a lot of pain across the country for any Joe in the USA, Malkins, Medveds, Coulters didn't call Bush and his Neo-cons to task. Where were they when this happened? It seems that all the neo-con commentators are doing is passing everything off on the MSM while not taking themselves to task for not being prophetic. If they were smart of enough to see the train wreck coming, with what the Bush Neo-cons were doing, why didn't they criticize Bush and call the administration out on certain issues? Where is the backbone and courage. It is easy to criticize the other side, but when the Democrats have a real possibility to pick up the Senate out right and with the possibility of reaching 60 seats, where were the Malkins, Medveds, Coulters before that possibility arose? They don't feel America's pain. I imagine they don't lose sleep or are watching their dimes. They were smart enough to play the "media" system in general and make a very good living. They are looking out for themselves and not the regular Joe.

Carol
Wright is a nut but he doesn't hate his country. What did Jesus say about no greater love can a man show than to lose his life, and Wright joined, not by draft, but joined the toughest military corp in or services and served honorably, that's mush more than one could say about Medved, or Hannity or Rush!

You are correct sir
And I apologize to Joycey.

pablo
Google David Parker jailed. Plenty of links to stories.

About Value Voters
I just don't like who Obama's friends are way before he wanted to President and that is a fact. He went to church for years with a man who hates the very country that gave him the freedom to say what he wanted to say whenever he wanted to say it.
Obama did not mind hearing those awful things before he wanted to run this Wonderful United States so as far as I am concerned that is the way he believes this country really is.
The thing I don't get is why did he change his first name after he went to his father's homeland? His given first name is BARRY not Barack. Why doesn't anybody ask him that question what is your given first name?
There is nothing that I trust about him NOTHING.
The person that really scares me is his wife. You can see the hatred in her eyes and that is a fact.
MAY GOD BLESS US ONE AND ALL IF HE BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THIS WONDERFUL UNITED STATES FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES!!!

Gay/Liberal Goat Tripe
I see/hear the Gay/Liberal Heathens bleating about McCain’s Adultery. McCain has CONFESSED his Adultery and asked FORGIVENESS for it, as is recommended by Christianity. For all you Gay/Liberal Heathens contemplating spewing this Goat Tripe in this thread, here is a quote from Jesus, “Let him without sin cast the first stone.” Which Jesus said to a group that was about to stone a woman who was guilty of adultery. If you VALUE Traditional VALUES, McCain is the only possible choice. If ACORN Hussein Obama is elected, your VALUES will have no VALUE under ACORN Hussein Obama’s Rule.

Darlene
A vote for Baldwin is a vote for Baldwin. Obama knows that vote didn't go to him. McCain knows that vote didn't go to him. Obviously Baldwin will know he got the vote.

I guess people have to decide on whether they vote FOR someone or vote AGAINST someone else (maybe a combination of both). If your desire is to keep Obama out of the White House via McCain then you have to ask yourself what you get and what it does to GOP.

They are running essentially a Democrat at the top of their ticket. This alone will move Republicans who still hold seats in House and Senate decidedly left just out of survival. At least with an Obama, they can hold fast their values and not feel they have to agree with POTUS. With McCain they will be torn and feel party lines will force them to agree with McCain on some of his liberal agenda. McCain will water down the GOP.

More important than voting though is f0r voters to let their leaders know just what they think. Do this in bulk (fax, email, letters, phone calls) and then tell neighbors and friends to do the same. Squeaky wheel gets greased.

Personally I would start with "Stop spending money they don't have on crap they don't need."

I'm a 49 year old new Catholic...
brought to the faith by my wife of two years. One month ago the deacon of our church gave a "lesser of two evils" homily relating to abortion and choices for this election. No party or candidate was discussed, only the issue of the unborn's right to life. The congregation applauded after his homily.

My wife is a lifelong church-going Catholic and has NEVER seen applause for ANY homily. Palin brings out this kind of energy and support to the McCain campaign.

The selection of Palin is truly McCain reaching across the aisle...not to the democrats, but to the conservative, morals voters.

For her bridge to nowhere that Palin got rid of in Alsaka is truly hers, and now it's a bridge McCain voters are using for to her walk across into the national limelight, and right into the white house in 4 years.

A vote for McCain is a vote for life and true change for the future, not Obama's change that has failed around the world so many times in the past.


Medved Wrong again 95 opercent may set
Pay attention. All of You. We Win You Lose. Give me your money.

Our two cents is thin.
In silence waits the multitude.

Salt of the Earth Voters
The "Christain Soldiers" arn't real excited about John McCain, But they are terrified by the Liberal/Socialist BHO. They will vote for McCain/Palin in large numbers. They will be joined by Supporters of 2ed Amendment Rights.Thats my Opinion, The Missouri Rancher

Right On!!!!
I enjoyed this article and pray everyday that values voters will turn out in large droves. Politics are not discussed openly in our church but behind the scenes we talk - everyone I know from my church is voting for McCain/Palin. I have never been able to figure out what the "draw" is for Obama. I can't stand to listen to him and turn the channel when I hear his voice. He drones on and on and says nothing - he just likes to hear himself pontificate.

not quite
This would be an interesting article were it not the case that some of the daily tracking polls use the voting patterns from 2004 in their polling data. So we actually have polls that are based on the assumption that the value voters come out in the same numbers as in 2004, and they still give Obama a safe lead. So even in the unlikely event that the demographics are as positive for Republicans as in 2004, Obama still wins. (The AP result that gave Obama only a 1 point lead assumed an even stronger evangelical vote which does seem unlikely and still doesn't give the race to McCain).

There is also the funny idea above that helping families with children is an anti-family approach. The problem for Medved is that the small percentage of families that would find that plausible were all voted for Bush last time round.

Chris in AL
You stated you were voting for Chuck Baldwin and gave a list of reasons why you do not trust McCain. McCain was not my choice either, however, your vote for Baldwin is a vote for Obama as Baldwin has no chance of winning. So compare McCain to Obama who will destroy this country. Knowing your vote will help Obama destroy the country you still want to vote for Baldwin????? do you really understand what is at state here?

Values Voters and McCain is
tough to say together.

True, Value Voters and Obama is also hard to say together.

Hmmm...while values voters will vote this year it will not be based on either McCain's or Obama's values. Obviously they will have to base their vote on something other than their values. That's why their votes will be split up this year.

NC is definitely red!
In the last 2 weeks, I have seen at least 100 new McCain signs or bumper stickers in yards or on cars. Trust me, NC Social conservatives are angry and involved. I haven't seen this kind of support since Reagan in 1979. I drive I-77N and then I40W every day, and there are a ton of out of state tagged McCain-Palin stickers on cars. I have seen 4 PA cars in the last 2 days with McCain-Palin stickers!!

matthew
Yes, lying is a sin. So is homosexual behavior. Something so many people forget. SIN: It's not just for Christians anymore!!!!

Four years ago....
A friend of mine said the EXACT same thing Medved said - that Bush would win due to the efforts of churches to get out the values voters. She witnessed it first hand.

She has made the same prediction for this year.

I am a values voter.
Low taxes and a free market are also family values. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not commit adultry. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not lie. These precious statutes which our Constitution was founded upon are under attack.
Socialists that sit in dead churches are wrong to advocate using our votes to steal from the wealthy to line the pockets of the poor as well as our own.
But most importantly I am showing up to make sure our Supreme Court doesn't get stacked with OBAMA's Progressive/socialist/radical/criminal/atheistic friends.
I also fear for the security of our nation. Obama has been wrong on every issue involving our national defense.

Obama has also shown over and over and over again that telling the truth is not important to him. The most important quality is honesty in any human being and even more so in a powerful leader.
In fact we should start to keep a list and running total of his lies.

Lastly racism does not belong in the White House. He has proved himself to be a racist by sitting in a church that espoused hatred based on skin color for 20 years.

He is not morally qualified to be president of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

YES WE CAN WIN, BUT?
It seems to me that the media in concert(bed) with the obamacrats are beginning to instigate mass demonstrations and riots in some major citys when Mc Cain wins. ed

Apollo
In Mass. a father was thrown in prison for opting his 5 year old son out of a kindergarten homosexual marriage appreciation class. Parents loose their rights when government decides moral issues. In Mass. Children are taught by schools to respect the institution of marriage. It doesn't matter what type of marriage. Parental rights to judge morality for their own children were taken away.

'Who Are Values Voters?"
Ranger 29;
I am a values voter, and we are everywhere. We are the ones who believe in God and know that life without Him is no life at all. We attend religious services, do volunteer work, and donate money and goods to those in need both inside and outside of our own circles. We are ordinary Americans who have worked hard for what we have, and wish to live out our lives in peace and quiet.
That is who value voters are - any questions?

Above his pay grade
Barack Obama voted against the identical version of Born Alive in Illinois. Then, for the next 4 years he repeatedly misrepresented his vote until it was recently discovered in the IL General Assembly archives.

It would seem to me a Harvard Grad would be able to infer from the title "Born Alive Act"
that the baby was definitely alive.

BUT Senator Obama has told us he does not know when life begins. It is "above his pay grade".


the gap is closing
President Reagan once asked, "If not us, who? If not now, when?"

Now is our moment. $3M has been raised in just the past few days. Goptrust.com started ads in two swing states and is now running the Rev. Wright ad in 5 states.

If McCain holds OH, FL nd NC, and graba PA, McCain wins.

The election is just days away. It's crunch time folks. Go to goptrust.com to see the ad and make a donation so that Obama cannot win and enact two major initiatives he is committed to:

Give 12 million illegals citizenship. You may recall the Dems tried that in 2007 but failed.

With super-majorities in the Senate and the House, he will get his wish. Most will register as Democrats and vote for Democratic candidates.

This single act — giving illegals citizenship — will give the Democrats permanent control over the House and Senate for a generation to come

Second, he wants to close down talk radio with the so called "Fairness Doctrine." And remember this Orwellian "Fairness" broadcasting law could easily be made to apply to Fox News - bout the only place one can go if they do not want to watch biased reporting.