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Thursday, October 02, 2008
Larry Elder :: Townhall.com Columnist
Memo to McCain: Take the Gloves Off
by Larry Elder
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McCain loses -- the first debate, that is.

Blown opportunities? Let us count the ways:

Obama says, without rebuttal, that his plan lowers taxes on "95 percent of working families." This is flatly impossible because 32 percent of income tax returns filed (some 43 million Americans) pay absolutely nothing in federal income taxes. Obama makes his claim by offering a $500 "Making Work Pay" tax credit to everybody ($1,000 per family), by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, and creating other credits. If your tax credit is more than your tax liability, you receive a check from the Treasury and you pay no taxes. That is not a "tax cut." McCain, too, offers a tax credit -- a $5,000 tax credit for health care. Yet neither the media nor McCain calls it a "tax cut."

Obama says, without rebuttal, that his tax hikes only affect those earning more than $250,000. Yet when you consider his spending plans, and the amount of money he expects to raise by "closing corporate loopholes" and taxing the rich, it simply does not add up. Moreover, he calls raising taxes a) good economic policy, and b) a matter of fairness. Obama, pointing to the sluggishness of the economy, recently said he might "defer" the tax hikes. Hold it, McCain should have said. If raising taxes on the so-called rich makes good economic policy, why "defer" it? Doesn't the economic sluggishness create even greater urgency in order to, as Obama claims, "jump-start" the economy?

Obama recently said, without a debate response from McCain, that because of the faltering economy, he may cut back on some of his proposed spending. Again, didn't Obama call the spending an "investment" in education and health care, job training and "volunteering"? If "investing" means a more productive and dynamic economy, doesn't an economic slowdown cry out for more spending?

Obama claims, without rebuttal, that he "pays for" the increased spending. If "closing corporate loopholes" and increasing taxes on the rich pay for more social spending, why put those off simply because of an economic downturn? Obama's latest backtracks on taxes and spending say one thing, loudly and clearly -- they hurt the economy. And by his own admission!

Missed opportunities on foreign policy: Continued...

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FINALLY OBAMA GETS CHALLENGED ...
Thank goodness McCain and Palin are finally taking off the gloves. Like millions of Americans I've awaited the truth, while feeling frustration watching Obama get a free ride. Subjects like Wright, Farrakhan, Pfleger, Rezko, Ayers, and others, seem to have been off limits for discussion, when they go to the core of who Obama is. In defense of Obama, the media treats him like a sacred cow, and implies that since these subjects were visited at one time, they're not fair game to revisit ... but, why not? Like millions of Americans I've never been comfortable with Obama attending Jeremiah Wright's church for TWENTY YEARS ... suddenly quitting for political expediency, and then claiming that he never heard the racist, anti-American sermons going on there. Also, the Trintity church website has since sanitized it's previous links on the 'Black Values System' ... and, the 'Black Liberation Theology' which Obama sworn an oath to for TWENTY YEARS.

Akaqi,
Obama is an OBVIOUS Marxist and a Socialist (so, why not just call him "communist"?) and the fact that you cannot recognize this marx you as one more brain dead idiot--the kind that is oh so very useful to Obama and the Dems.

And yes, idiot, Obama will be raising taxes on everybody--including your idiot self. Yes, he very well could, given time and a colluding Congress, get our de facto tax level up to that of Sweden.

Anne and Corinne
Anne:

What point did I miss of hers, can you not read? "...the only thing they have published is on wiki" or words to that effect and I pointed out I had published more than that.

Corinne:

Please show us where Anne has provided facts that Obama is a Marxist as someone who understands what the term means, not simply that he will raise your taxes and establish a national health service--those don't make a state a Marxist state.

Obama
"Oh, and lots of proof to back it up!"

Yes Anne, there is.

Does he support the abolishment of private property? The military as an organ of the party? The ownership of the means of production by the state? The party ownership of the broadcast and print media? A single-party state? All institutions incorporated within the state--religious, social, economic, educational, etc. The eventual withering of the state? These are hard requirements for one to be a Marxist. Obama shares non of these.

Now before you post something stupid that Marx in plank #2 calls for a heavily progressive income tax, Sweden's top rate was 90% in 1976, was it communist in 1976? Think Obama will bring to the US a top rate of 90% or even a rate as high as it was during Carter?

Obama is not a communist and he is not a Marxist and calling him one simply proves to the rational world what a moron you are.

There is enough of the real Obama to oppose without making things up--that he is a far left-liberal and socialist. Making false claims against him does your side no favors.

Nepal and West Bengal
"Communism can only be accomplished by 'extreme coercion' - I know that view is different than some but over 100,000,000 starved and murdered makes my point."

Really, then why has the Indian state of West Bengal been ruled by the Communist Party of India since 1977 and why were the Maoists just elected in a fair and open election in Nepal? You may also note that if the CCP did have fully open elections and not just those at the village level, it would win in a landslide.

The CCP came to power because the KMT was corrupt and incompetent (and the US cutting off all its military and economic aid), it didn't need coercion to gain support, the KMT did enough for it in that regard. This didn't stop Mao from being a brutal thug anyway, but sometimes the people actually want communism--just ask Nepal. But I guess this claim of yours is based on some of that high quality research you and Anne have been doing.

But
tnmccoy:

Orwell was a Democratic Socialist not unlike Obama and you'd no doubt call him a communist. The book Animal Farm is an attack on Stalinist Totalitarianism, not socialism or liberalism. The lazy farmer represented the Tsar, the farmers who tried to conquer Animal Farm the capitalists who did try to kill the regime before it even got started. The two factions in Animal Farm--lead by Snowball and Napolean represented Leon Trotsky and Stalin.

Animal Farm can be seen as pro-communist and pro-Trotsky. It is not anti-liberal or anti-socialist, but anti-Stalinist.

Sorry..I said Larry but meant Will in CA
hi,
Sorry, but i accidentally said to Larry, I could care less about the poll numbers and that they don't scare us...I actually meant the message for Will in CA (reply #1)..sorry for the mistake, but this has been a long two weeks for everyone who cares about losing our free enterprise/Democracy as we know it, to the controlled system of socialism/communism.

Larry polls don't scare us...
larry..you're wasting your time...polls don't interest or scare me.

Gloves off already recommended..
I already tried that..I gathered all of the evidence & info I could..it seemed it got passed on...and then suddenly felt as tho we'd been lectured re being bi-partisan...those who value anything more than freedom are deigned to lose that very freedom...same with folks who vote for entitlements, free this...free that...don't you realize you're enslaving yourselves? I love this article and have suggested it to the McCain campaign the day after McCain''s speech...

McCain in the ring

I was inspired by John McCain's convention speech particularly at the end when he pleaded with the audience to fight with him and the audience clapped and cheered continuously over his repeated entreaties. I loved his line that we are American's, we don't accept history, we make history!
McCain should be working these debates as a fighter would work in the prize fight of his life. He has to fight fair by the rules but he has to win only by scoring a knockout, not a TKO. McCain is not fighting as he promised. He is engaging respectfully in a bipartisan manner. He is treating Obama much too lightly.
Larry Elder is absolutely right about how McCain
should be debating and, I have another McCain non- response to join to his observations.
Here is what I mean. Early in the first debate Obama stated that the present economic crisis has been caused by eight years of the Bush administration policies. That was a jab at McCain. Too us it is an outright lie, knowing that we have had seven good years out of eight. McCain did not even respond! He could have jabbed back and then delivered a forceful blow to the head by stating the history of the CRA and then named Clinton,Frank and Dodd as the Democrats who allowed and even encouraged failure to happen at Fannie and Freddie. The fateful blow would be delivered when he stated that both he and others in the Republican administration had petitioned Fannie and Freddie to stop the bad lending practices but, the Democrats in charge had protested. He could have said it in a minute and nailed the Democrats in their practice and nailed Obama in his lie.
He could have done all of this while still maintaining his poise and smiling as he delivered the blows.He has to fight and, if there is blood on the floor then so be it. Let the bipartisan workforce come in and clean up the mess.

The Great Debate
Drudge Report has the debate results so far as : (152,000) Biden 26%,Palin 72%.

Palin vs Biden debate tonight!
Well, I viewed the debate tonight, and I truly believe that Palin did a magnificent job...regardless what the liberal pundits said! Again, these pundits had the same "talking points" following the debate, that she (Palin) did not answer Ifil's questions! Amazing! the libs HAD to get these "points" out long before the debate took place! Even, if she did not directly answer all Ifil's questions, neither did Biden!

Oh well...what can be expected from the libs?!

The key now, is for McCain to take the "gloves off" and start punching Obama! No more "Mr. Nice Guy"! This is war! Time for "mild-mannered Clark Kent" to go into the telephone booth and change into the "Superman" outfit! Get with it McCain!!!


Mick...Dick? I am not ready to ...
embrace Morris. He may be right...about..well everything..but...he is still an a**hole. I do NOT want Palin associated with him.

Maverick refuses to engage
Dick Morris pointed out how he had a winning opportunity with the bail out bill and he caved to his buds in the Senate and refused to ally himself with the house conservatives. which is what I have been saying all along, Mack the knife is the ANTI conservative.

the mchos would rather LOSE the election then move any further to the right than nominating Palin. and they are out to dump her.You guys call Rush and tell him he and his buds need to hire Morris to run Palin's campaign for the rest of 08 and in 12.
mick

D(ork):
Gwen was a SOLE moderator. WHY should we let Michael Moron have a say? He's the most hypocritical TURD in Hollyweird to start with.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

Let her swim free!!!
A barracuda on a leash is a guppy!! Let Sarah be HERSELF. THAT'S what energized the base.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

Consrvatives STILL refuse to take...
the gloves off. And our candidate STILL holds the leash and is apparently holding it firm against the best Candidate we have. Sarah, if you need to take out McCain, I am with you...take him out and run on your own! :)

WHEN with the GOP learn?
The simple wisdom of an old street cop like Jimmy Malone. His famous words "Never bring a knife to a gunfight." Should be painted in neon letters 6' high on the walls of the RNC!!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

Rush for moderator!!!!
If anyone is sufficiently brain dead as to think Gwen Ifill can be trusted to be in any way objective then Rush Limbaugh should be the moderator of the next Pres. Debate if there is one. At least HIS prosperity does not depend on who wins elections and never has.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

The sad thing
The sad thing, Mr. Elder, is that these gems are here in your column and not in McCain's mouth. McCain, like nearly all Republicans, has NO CLUE how to hammer a message home and defeat the marxist press. Th price for his failure to communicate will be an obamarx presidency.

Ken - our perceived weakness
as a nation left us open to attack and will again if Obama becomes President.

Dems Open Door for Voter Fraud
Check out this complete outrage in Ohio. I think Fox finally started to cover this a bit but AFAIK the rest of the MSM hasn't touched it.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/oct/02/whos-s tealing-ohio/

Wake Up Republican Party
John McCain runs his campaign like the U.S. runs it's war on terror, i.e. try to win but don't offend the enemy in the process.

John needs to learn that you wage a campaign just as ruthlessly as the enemy. America's enemy is the Democrat party and the left wing virus that has infected it.

There is nothing the Democrats will not do, or say, or invent to embarrass Republicans. Their media water carriers make sure contrived scandals stay on the front page for weeks.

If the Republican party does not begin to fight back, they are finished forever.

We need partisanship!
Does McCain really want to be POTUS? Judging from his campaign strategy the answer is no he does not. The American people are angry. We are looking for partisanship. We want names named and people held accountable. Who caused the financial crisis, who ignored the war against America, who is Barack Obama? We are not looking for a kumbaya moment.

Anne from VA et al

Fairness doctrine vs FOCA ? ?

Well Obama says the first thing is FOCA so you are probably right - he rarely does what hes ays he will do - is that .25 or 25 I prefer the former LOL

Don't listen to elitists - they think that they can speak things into existence like God.

I think that one should compare a Marxist to a Muslim - NOT that their belief systems are even remotely close - but some are extremists and some are not.

Most Marxists advocate peaceful takeovers of countries some do not.

Barack Obama is a Marxists regardless what Akaqui says or thinks - is a Barack Obama willing to use force and coerce everyone to whatever extreme it takes - I do not know.

The reason I focus on the Obama position on abortion and his 'Civilian Security Force' is that gives us a picture of his possible outlook on all of us.

Communism can only be accomplished by 'extreme coercion' - I know that view is different than some but over 100,000,000 starved and murdered makes my point.

BTW, Adolph Hitler was only a Socialist.

I am breaking to watch Sarah kick some butt.

State of the campaign
As a Navy Veteran of both the cold war and Desert Storm - former fighter/test pilot - I cannot help but a render a few observations:

1. McCain, as Larry articulates, needs to assume his 'warrior' gauntlet - and attack the Obama campaign relentlessly. Mr Nice Guy image needs to go. He needs to be a fighter pilot again - period.

2. As many have communicated, I honestly feel that if Obama takes office, we WILL be hit again - absolutely. Why? Let me count the ways: The entire anti-American Middle East is very pro-Obama (example: Hamas and Iran among them). Europe seems to be much aligned to his 'image' (after all, his core belief system was nurtured by way of the likes of Alinsky, Guevera, Ayers, even Wright... the list goes on) in a quasi-Socialist/Facist manner. Moreover, it seems all too obvious that the likes of Iran, North Korea and Russian must look at Obama as someone that will not only blink, but be all too easily manipulated until we are in a position of extreme weakness - and possibly global isolation. Very basic military strategy; after all, look at the approach taken by the Soviet Union towards Kennedy BEFORE the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kruschev looked at Kennedy as a patsy, and a gutless one at that - this is a historical fact - which is why Russian gambled and pressed the installation of nuclear missiles in Cuba. We lucked out and 'missed' a major bullet on that one - next time, we may not be so lucky. One's character is based on their upbringing, education and with whom they keep company.

3. Finally, we have 30 days to go: Look at the historical track record of past campaigns, and how much things changed in the last month, or even week, before the election. This is NOT over yet. Polls don't mean as much as the MSM makes them out to be - and they (admitted by the MSM, in fact) tend to be weighted, historically, in the direction of the Democrats.



Ret. Geek: So, akagi says, "Obama is not

a communist, he is not a Marxist. Simple as that."

So, there you have it! Sounds like a real "debate winner" to me!!! :-) Oh, and lots of proof to back it up!

Actually, reminds me of that comedian, Ron White, who said how amazed he was in HS when one of his responses to the opposing debate team was, "Yeah! Sc** YOU!" and he was disqualified! :-) Imagine that!

So, you think Marxist Obama's first Act as POTUS will be FOCA? My bet is the "Fairness Doctrine." What say we bet $.25. :-)

Obama and Lobbyists
Sarah Palin will fight Lobbyists

Obama adores them.

Obama’s Web site says he doesn’t take money from Washington lobbyists or political action committees,and the Center says that if his campaign finds that the money came from registered Washington lobbyists, it does get returned.

Read how many Washington Lobbyists have given money to Obama. Obama takes money from Washington Lobbyists and lies and states he doesn't.

Change in Washington will come from McCain/Palin NOT from Obama and Biden.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/08/10/obama_takes_mon ey_from_lobbyists.thtml

Obama lied - Babies died
"Obama's decision to sabotage the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA) has repeatedly come back from the grave to haunt his campaign. Pro-life advocates, and National Right to Life, have hounded Obama over his "no" vote to BAIPA while a state senator in 2003.

Brody asked Obama to respond to questions over why he voted "no" to BAIPA, since Obama voted down the Illinois version, which was exactly identical to a federal bill passed unanimously by the US Senate. Obama became visibly irritated and accused NRTL of "lying" about his record.

"They have not been telling the truth," Mr. Obama said. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."

However, twenty-four hours later, the Obama campaign made an about-face and admitted that Obama, not NRTL, had "misrepresented" his own position, which his critics have charged defies "commonsense" and "imagination."

The Obama campaign admitted to the New York Sun that Obama misrepresented his position when he told CBN that the federal version he says he supports, "was not the bill that was presented at the state level."

http://geekonobama.blogtownhall.com/2008/09/02/obama_caught _red-handed_in_abortion_lie.thtml

Rowly & Corinne:

Rowly, thanks. :-) Good to hear from you again. :-)


Corinne: Good points. I've noticed that too. In fact, I've also noticed that they're linking more and more to the wiki, which is ridiculous. I doubt they even know that anyone (even akagi) can edit anything on the wiki? LOL

I wouldn't take anything from the wiki unless I could verify it on some other CREDIBLE source, but then I'd use the other credible source as a reference! :-)

Obviously akagi missed your point (akagi is on a roll missing points today!) about having been published. Being published from an academic press is NOT all that big a deal as it once was.

In fact, much of the time "academics" while they find it painful to acknowledge, aren't held in as high esteem as they'd like.


FOCA is Obama's First Act as POTUS
"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."
Barack Obama, July, 2008 Speech at Planned Parenthood Conference

What is FOCA or Freedom of Choice Act?

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion and the Federal BAIPA law.

Besides making abortion on demand a 'fundamental right' throughout the United States, FOCA would effectively nullify informed consent laws, waiting periods, health safety regulations for abortion clinics, etc.

Furthermore, medical professionals and institutions that refused abortions also would lose legal protections. FOCA would expose individuals, organizations, and governments - including federal, state, and local government agencies - to costly civil actions for purported violations of the act.

'I am absolutely convinced that culture wars are so nineties; their days are growing dark, it is time to turn the page,' Obama said in July. 'We want a new day here in America. We're tired about arguing about the same ole' stuff. And I am convinced we can win that argument.' Barack Obama



"Taxes" just John's DEATH RATTLE
It's NOT individuals taxes that ARE THE PROBLEM and EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

AS DOES OUR GOVERNMENT!

'TAX RATE', doesn't MEAN THAT CORPORATIONS PAY THEM!

THE "CORPORATE NO TAX LIABILITY" SCAM IS BANKRUPTING AMERICA.

(Elder must have had the word "tax" set to auto-insert every 20 words or so.)

From our Governments OWN REPORT!
example,
In 2005:
1/4 of ALL "large" U.S.-controlled corporations and 2/3 of ALL U.S.-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY; foreign-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY at roughly similar rates.

Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.

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THE REAL PROBLEM for REAL AMERICA is in the news...
October 2, 2008
"7-year high in jobless claims and plunging factory orders stoked fears that the government's financial rescue plan might not be enough to ward off a recession. The Dow falls 348.22, points".

AND, John is still a republican. That's why...

"Taxes" just John's DEATH RATTLE, since Republicans have put us in the RED INK until your grand-babies retire.

Anne
It is you Anne that avoids the point.

Obama is not a communist, he is not a Marxist. Simple as that. You can believe he is all you want, but it doesn't make him one. Some on the left thing HRC is a moderate too, doesn't make her one now does it?

For what it's worth
I left a passionate plea on McCain's website and I implore you to do the same.

With SO many negatives, it's simply mind-boggling and extremely disturbing to see that Obama is one election away from the WH. If Americans would bother using some critical thinking skills and do a little bit of research, there is NO way that BO Hussein would've gotten this far.

My, oh my, how far we have fallen as a nation that the DNC is running this totally incompetent fraud for the WH.

If BO wins, then America will either roll over and die or stand up and fight.

I say we fight and fight like hell until we take back our country from these leftist loons.

God Save America

Liberal Farm
If you want to understand the Obama freight train, just read or re-read George Orwell's 'Animal Farm.' It'll explain how the Liberals think and operate. That's why I'm frightened at what is going on. Personally, I'd take a baseball bat to a meeting with McCain and Palin and tell them to stop pussyfooting around with the lies and smears and misrepresentations constantly coming from the left. We need---not just want---to have them win

McCain's to lose...
McCain will probably lose, because the media is in the tank for his opponent (I can't bring myself to write the name), he is running a terrible campaign, and, as Mr. Elder wrote, he missed many opportunities during the first debate.

But in one month, McCain can take off the gloves, score points in the final two debates, and start running ads that tell the truth about the "chosen one." Once Americans understand what the Democrat stands for and what he would do, he's toast. Will McCain do all that? I hope so, but I doubt it. The fix is in.

A frightening "Obama timeline" at:
http://colony14.net/id41.html

And an even more frightening list of "What Obama would do..." at:
http://colony14.net/id35.html


Corinne
I've published more than that---from academic presses no less. But if she is an expert on Marxism, it would be nice to know what makes her such an expert on modern political ideologies such as Marxism. What degrees in the field does she have, what publications and the like. If Obama is a Marxist, exactly what school of Marxism does he belong to? What exact policies he has proposed can be seen as true Marxist or communist policies and not simply socialist ones or leftist one?

And Corinne I am hardly on the left. The Daily Kos people would not like me any more than Anne does.




Okay akagi: WHATEVER! Geeze, you must

have the mother of all headaches by now from dodging the points you don't want to, or can't face up to...

I know I certainly have a headache from trying to trying to deal with someone who can't face the facts and points.

And... quoting that Long guy??? What a joke! Shows just how far... or LOW... you'll go to avoid the real issues.

I think you're dismissed now. You've made the point that you don't have one.




John McCain is a Gentleman
John McCain is a gentleman.
He does not mention Obama's buddy, the terrorist Ayers. He doesn't mention Reverend "The chickens have come home to roost" Wright. He doesn't mention that Obama received the second highest contributions from the Democrat stooges running Fannie Mae. He doesn't care about his V.P. candiedidates' e-mail being hacked. He accepts a pro-Obama PBS stooge for the V.P. debate moderator.
McCain is a gentleman. He will soon be joining 2 other gentlemen George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole who lost the Presidency to another non-gentleman Bill Clinton.
This Presidential campaign is making me sick

Anne new liberal trend
I have noticed this now 3 times in the past 2 days when confronted with facts and/or links they now say, "what books have you wrote/published".

Now we need to have published something? Yet the only thing they have "published" is on wiki.

D
Even if the court strikes down Roe, it will not stop the states from having abortion on demand if they so wish--something AS said himself in the 2002 speech I mentioned in my earlier post). Or do you simply mean a Federal law banning the interstate travel? Which would probably be unconstitutional.

All good points Mr. Elder
Polls notwithstanding, it's actually McCain's to lose. You can look at historical elections at this time before the election and in the majority of cases you could not predict the winner except with a lucky guess.

The bottom line is that McCain has been consistent, on the econony and on the war; Obama has been all over the map on both, and the more that message gets out, the less inclined Independents and conservative Democrats will be to support him.

Here in Colorado--a real battleground state--Independents comprise 33 percent of voters, and, by history, they break 2-1 for Republicans.

Add the Nader/Barr effect, which has a net worth of about 1.9 percent for Republicans, and Obama's chances look questionable.

For my post regarding Palin and the media, go to:

http://www.clearcommentary.com

Phil Mella

resourceguy
Wasn't it that great man of many puns,Yogi Berra who said..."It ain't over til it's over"?

Poor daft #250: Doesn't know that

the founder was a NOT Republican! Annenberg, who WAS a friend of Reagan simply DONATED the MONEY.... Which is why it was called Annenberg.

Annenberg, himself, had NOTHING to do with it other than provide the money....

And, after all this I hoped that daft might just get a little more "informed."

And we wonder why the schools are deteriorating, and in CA (teacher's unions) have been trying to make it illegal for parents to home school?

daft is why!





Obviously NOT!

Anne and D
Yes that one. Actually the real quote was "If fascism comes to America it will come in the guise of anti-fascism. Socialist he may have been and corrupt too (is any LA pol--just wait, how long will Jindal stay clean?) but the quote is probably an accurate one--much tyranny has been spread by the flag, the cross and preaching "free markets."

No Anne
My point was "But even if Roe is
overturned, it will not stop a single woman wanting an abortion from having one."

And then you replied "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!!! Just more leftist hyperbole."

If abortion doctors can fly across statelines to perform abortions, nothing will stop women from doing the same. If doctors can go to them, they can go to the doctors across statelines.

Nothing seems to stop women from various parts of Mississippi from going to Jackson to the clinic there to have abortions or women from rural South Dakota going to the clinic in the "big city" there either. This point has NOTHING to do with parental rights. Learn to read.

Rowly:

Some people on TH even with those I disaree can be intelligent. Anne is and will always be a moron. Ask her to explain to you again how Japan wasn't occupied by the US from 1945 until 1952 (technically parts were occupied until 1972).


Thank Heaven that...
...the "it's over" crowd aren't generals fighting against the Islamofacists. And glad they aren't football coaches, especially in my hometown. And I'm glad they also aren't airplane pilots flying 747s when warning lights start blinking that there's smoke in the cabin. Or teachers who run into kids with problems like dyslexia or violence at home.

If 'it's over' then please let's just give up the fight and loose the left to do whatever it wants. Because, after all, it's over.

Ummm....has anybody heard the weight-challenged lady's tune? I didn't think so.

Hopefully, too, the "it's over" crowd doesn't undertake many active efforts at reproduction either.

akagi: Huey Long? Wasn't he some gov. of

some southern state who was into redistribution of wealth?

Bit of a SOCIALIST himself, wasn't he?


Or are you talking about some other Huey Long?


D
Then since the PP is in the state involved, the state sure as hell could prosecute them for various violations as they see fit from interference with parental rights, violation of the very law PP was trying to avoid by taking them to another state, inticing a minor for immoral purposes, the list is almost endless and you don't need the Imperial Federal Government involved.

Akagi
If Anne is a moron,so are most of us at townhall. We all believe the same. Why do you even bother with us?

Call Obama what you want to,who cares. He is however a believer of Marxist/Socialist/Communist and so does his benefactors.

Every time he opens his mouth,it is apparent to politically savvy people. Why can't you see it?

HA! Just read akagi's post #228..MISSED

the POINT completely...

The POINT had nothing what-so-ever to do with what killer doctor flew where...

IT had only... and I mean ONLY that Marxist Obama voted AGAINST a bill that made it ILLEGAL to take a child across state lines in order to have an abortion...

The POINT IS that it had only to do with... read carefully akagi, USURPING PARENTS' RIGHTS.

Any LAW that allows for anyone or any entity to take parents' rights away from the parent can NOT be called a bad law....

D
I agree that the court had no business getting involved in the abortion issue--one way or the other.

Oh Anne since you like quotes so much, here is one for you. "If fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, waving the cross, and preaching free markets" --Huey Long (greatly modified).


Anne
Yeah Anne, I forgot where you said Rt. Geek and you got your degrees in political science again? And what publications on Marxist thought or political theory had published your research. Oh that's right you never did.

Anne, the US ins't technically a democracy and in case you were curious Europe is the birth place of democracy--the term is from the Greek "Demos" for "people" and "Kratos" for "rule," thus rule of the people. And last I checked Greece was in Europe.

No Anne, calling him a communist makes you look like a moron, which as Taft pointed out, you are.


D
Hardly and if I were in Congress, I would have voted against such a law as well. This is an issue for the state(s) involved, not the Federal government. The Federal government passes too many laws and gets its nose into too many areas properly belonging to the states as it is. And again, has nothing to do with communism--unless you think the schools are a communst plot as well? Don't they too break the bond between parent and child, maybe you and Anne can just raise your kids off into some hermit hut someplace. We don't want any bonds broken by mass communications, schools, peers and the like do we?

akagi: Tell you what! You just go along

with your arrogant little head in the sand... or wherever you choose to keep it, believing whatever it is that you want or need to believe, and for whatever reason.

Makes not a wit of difference to me.... because I know of what I (and Ret. Geek) speak.

Personally, I don't care how he'd be considered in much of Europe... Europe has never been a democracy or a republic such as the United States.

Calling Marxist Obama a Marxist in no way discredits me or anyone else who realizes what Obama is, and what his goals really are. In fact, more and more educated and intelligent people are beginning to see Marist Obama for who and what he is.

I will give him credit, however, he knows that he must make his moves slowly... one step at a time, so as not to give himself away. He is not stupid...

As Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America said.....

"The American people will never knowingly
adopt Socialism. But under the name of
'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of
the Socialist program, until one day
America will be a Socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened."

This is also known as "The Frog In The Pot" syndrome.... one step and a time, and before you know it, you have the people where you want them.....


But you're free to choose to continue to ignorant and ill informed if you wish...


D
Anne is a moron, Factcheck is a great source, just look at the staff that works there. The founder was a Republican and was a friend of Reagan. It was even used by Dick Cheyne in a debate. Look what they have to say about the wall street melt down.

"In fact, there’s ample blame to go around. Experts have cited everyone from home buyers to Wall Street, mortgage brokers to Alan Greenspan."

We owe our country a dedication to the truth and the moral bravery to look at the facts. It seems that too many want to blame the press for McCain's lame campaign, but if he want's to be leader it's time he remember Reagan's "The buck stops here!"

Oops,typo ...post # 239
...Should read...Others will lead him.. (I give up)!!!

JUST received an interesting call!!!

A marketing group is putting together a "group" of people to watch next week's pres. debate at a hotel in a nearby town... and then answer questions after the debate....on BSNBC.

The idea is to have a good CROSS SECTION of people....

However, when it came to the question of "Are you...

1. Most likely to vote for McCain

2. Probably going to vote for McCain but might vote for Obama

3. Most likely to vote for Obama

4. Probably going to vote for Obama but might vote for McCain

5. Considering voting for a third party candidate... etc.....

When I said the I was "Most likely to vote for McCain" (not considering voting for Obama or a third party...etc.) the person said,

THAT CATEGORY OF PEOPLE IS ALREADY FILLED!

Hmmmmm???



Oops,typo.....post# 239
Should read.......Others will lesd him...........

Disaster if Obama wins-Can't trust him.
"I am afraid we will not get the President we need, but the one we deserve. Get ready for a long, uncomfortable, demoralizing, defeatist four years if Obama wins." I SECOND THAT!!!


Anne
The big picture is that Obama is not a communist, he is not a Marxist, he is a far-left socialist (although in much of Europe he'd be considered right of center probably). But calling him what he is not discredits your own position, lying doesn't help and calling someone something you know is untrue is a lie--okay, maybe you aren't lying, maybe you are delusional instead.

I am not a liberal, nor am I their comrade.

D:

Bringing minors across statelines has nothing to do with communism. It is the belief that parents have no right to tell a girl what she can do with her own body. They aren't being taken across the lines to indoctrination camps and they do get on the buses or cars or whatever of their own free will do they not? I am not saying I approve of planned parenthood doing this, but it is a far cry from communism.

Anne
I think Obama is a light weight but Palin looks shallower and shallower every day. She can't name a decision by the SCOTUS she disagrees with EXCEPT for Roe? I can name 10 off the top of my head. Bakke v. Board of Regents, Grutter v. Bollinger, Lawrence v. Texas, Kelo v. New London, NCAA v. Tarkanian, Texas v. White, Korematsu v. US, Yasui v. US, Hirabayashi v. US, Gonzales v. Raich, Wickard v. Filburn, and I could go on and on. And she can only name Roe?

She can't name a single newspaper or news oriented magazine she reads on a regular basis? Says the US should consider going to war over Georgia with Russia?

She better do a great job tonight. If not the SS McCain is going to sink real fast.


Anne
Obama can fix the economy as soon as his handlers tell him how. That's why he doesn't need to worry how to do it. Others will lesd him. Like Soros,etc.

akagi KEEPS MISSING the BIG PICTURE!

You and your lib comrades seem to be playing "dodge ball"...

No matter what is said, you just jump around trying to dodge the point.

YOU and you lib comrades might think you're doing a good job, but in fact, you're NOT.




Jeremiah Wright Carefully Chosen Mentor

There is an old Spanish saying.
“Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you WHO YOU ARE!”

"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

Jeremiah Wright was carefully chosen by Barack Obama to 'Mentor' him and be his spiritual guide. Mentor Wright baptized Barack Obama, baptized the Obama children and performed the marriage ceremony betwee Barack and Michelle. On December 4, 2007, Wright was named as a member of the Barack Obama campaign's newly created African American Religious Leadership Committee.

Who is Jeremiah Wright?
-----------------------
1) Considers the U.S. to be a nation rife with racism and disrimination.
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!... We [Americans] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

2) Blames American racism for provoking the 9/11 attacks.
"In the 21st century, says Wright, "white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

3) Embraces black separatism theology and socialism.
Prior to the controversy sparked (in early 2008) by Wright's racially charged statements and by Wright's reference to Cone's influence on his thinking, the website of Wright's church identified Cone's writings as required reading for parishioners who wished to more thoroughly understand the church's theology and mission.

Mentor Wright became famous for 'God Damn America'.

Dave: What I'm finding interesting is...

The very people Marxist Obama is "attracting," ie: his "followers" are limited in intellect, and simply "react" to his rhetoric without any critical or analytical thinking.

My post at 12:44PM, I listed seven (7) specific things Gingrich noted that Gov. Palin had actually accomplished, and invited any lib to show something... anything... that Marxist Obama had done that would have the equivalent experience.... NO ONE COULD COME UP WITH ANYTHING!

I did the same thing on a thread yesterday, and NO ONE COULD COME UP WITH ANYTHING!

Marxist Obama has no proven experience accomplishing anything!

Yet, these limited libs seem to "believe" that he can and will do what he says...

And then, they don't seem to be a BIT curious or perhaps concerned that he and his campaign (ACORN!) are scrubbing (or threatening site owners, which we have documentation about) so that much, if not eventually ALL documentation and videos that prove him (or his friends, such as Ayers) have been on record saying one thing or another.

When evidence has been produced that Obama kind of knew Ayers casually many years ago is not true, but that in fact, they are, and have been in each other's pockets, these intellectually limited Marxist followers just don't seem to "grasp" that Marxist Obama is LYING, not only to the American people, but to them as well.

And, they actually think that Marxist Obama, who has had ABSOLUTELY NO background in economics, can "fix" the economic problems we're experiencing now (and "now" is of some question!)

At least McCain has admitted that "economics" is not his strong suit... but Marxist Obama is so sure that he'll be able to fix it.

Marxist Obama is nothing but a narcissistic, arrogant fool. And for those who think that Marxist Obama would make a "tingle go up their leg" should consider that it's more than likely just their dog relieving itself.

McCain's choice
When McCain interrupted his campaign to go to Washington, he went to confer with fellow established politicians of both parties regarding what government measures had to be taken to rescue the giant NY investment banks from their own folly in having created complex derivative investment vehicles "backed" by worthless mortgages and other dubious loans. All knew that only the middle-class,taken collectively, had the means for such a `bailout.' That is, yes, the cost of the bailout had to be borne by this country's tax-paying small business owners, professionals, technically- employed persons, skilled workers, farmers and more prosperous housewives. McCain's choice was between saving the financial system at the expense of the taxpayers or,rather, defending the middle-class from the fleecing, even if the financial firms were thereby allowed to fall. Had McCain chosen protection of the middle-class, he would have been elected president. But, as a veteran of Washington's Establishment, he decided on the banks' preservation above all- never mind the election. Perhaps,at his age, the presidency is no longer all that attractive.

All that said, I think it's still much preferable to vote for McCain,as against the rootless Chicago adventurer by way of the Pacific Islands.

2000- 2004, Google:Stephen Spoonamore
The jury (literally) may still be out.

GOP Cyber security expert, former CEO of Cybrinth, Stephen Spoonamore.

UncleB:
If anything you sound like someone from the Choson Minjujuui Inmin Konghwaguk--saying the same slogans and lies over and over again.

As I have told you many times, I have no connection to the DPRK, but have heard Radio North Korea before--they sound much like you--spreading lies and such.


Funny, I was at McCain-Palin rally......
in Columbus this week at Capital University, I WASN'T amazed at the numbers of young people!

During his "Road to Victory" rally at Capital University Republicans even chartered a bus to bring in more students.

"kind of nice being small," junior Jimmy Ernst said.


Jim
You are correct and if I remember correctly, as she was talking,the market started falling. I believe it fell another 300 points as she was at the mic.

I believe this entire meltdown is the "October Surprise",that the Democrats almost always pulls to assure their win.If money was so hard to get,why did they sweeten the new bill with new earmarks?

As I have posted on another thread,Georgia received this week more than $77 million for help to low-income people with down payments and closing costs. If this is why we are in such dire straits,why are we still seeing it handed out?

In my opinion,we are seeing the great push into Socialism/ Marxism/ communism,with Obama as the tool used by the real people who have pushed him out there and are using him.

2000
"further, more Americans in Florida voted for Gore than Bush. George W. Bush."

If that was true Georgia Gal then Gore would be finishing up his second term right about now and thinking where to put his presidential library--Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga? Maybe Knoxville? Bush won Florida by 537 votes, but if you say that "more Americans voted against Bush in Florida, that is true as it adds 126,000 or so votes to Gore's 2,912,253 votes.


Anne
The abortion doctor in South Dakota that serves that one clinic flies in from Minnesota twice a week--I do believe that planes do fly both waves and that ground transportation exists. Not everyone getting an abortion in Mississippi is from Jackson--if people can say drive to Jackson from Grenda or Tupelo, don't you think others could drive across state lines as well?

Supporting stupid laws doesn't make one a communist. If so then a good number of Republicans would be as well--want me to bring up the Terri Schiavo fiasco? Each side has to play to its loons, for Obama the pro-choice loons, for the GOP the pro-life loons.



ONLY FOR THE INTELLIGENT!
Fact-checking The Annenberg Fact-checkers
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/factchecking_th.p hp

Topics: Political News and commentaries

"Gradually, we're all learning that when it comes to matters relating to Barack Hussein Obama, one needs to do a lot of fact-checking. But when facts are claimed to have been fact-checked by factcheck.org, and we know that factcheck.org is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation, then one has to seriously consider fact-checking the fact-checking of factcheck.org.


"Add to the growing brew of sleaze, this little trail of connections involving Michelle Obama (then Michelle Robinson), Valerie Jarrett, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley's chief of staff (now Michelle Obama's close friend and a senior adviser to the Obama campaign), Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, and on to the Chicago Annenberg Foundation, Chicago's Annenberg Challenge (a project of the Annenberg Foundation), and ACORN."

Anne
Akagi is not an american citizen. He is a north Korean operator being told what to say by his handlers. You know those handlers they have no emotion...no soul. And,absolutely no sense of humor. You're wasting your time and bandwith Anne.

After attending the McCain-Palin rally
in Columbus this week at Capital University, I was amazed at the numbers of young people registering to vote at the tables that were set up, and the amount of younger people at the rally overall...if McCain can just capture 30% of the young vote in Ohio....Ohio goes Republican!

McCain DOES in fact need to take the gloves off and start swinging politically...and the only reaching across the aisle I want to see is McCain knocking the political dogwater out of the leftists!

No more reaching across the aisle to the Demo-thugs Johnny, stand your ground, keep your faith, and hold fast for what principles you have left after serving in that snakepit for 26 years! I want to see the "McCain" that I watched SALUTE his commanding officer in the Phillipines in 1973 after being released by the Vietnamese! To he** with politics Johnny, remember your upbringing, your oath in the military, and be the man I know you can be....quit compromising with those who despise you and everything you stand for!

PHONEYBLACKMAN

.....You are really talented at cut and paste ...when was the last time you had an original thought? ...

.....I can understand your glee ...unthinking fools like yourself will do quite well under Socialism .....COLOSSUS

Mandate or no
An earlier poster said: " McCain should at least try to make it a close contest though. Deny Obama a mandate or even a landslide. If Obama wins in a squeaker, he would have less leverage as President than if he wins in a landslide. You know the old saying, "Elections come with messages." "

In 2000, 5 million more Americans voted for Al Gore than voted for George W. Bush; further, more Americans in Florida voted for Gore than Bush. George W. Bush claimed a mandate for his political ideals and governed from the far right, consulting with Democrats only when absolutely necessary. If Obama wins, even if it is by 1 electoral vote or 0.5% of the popular vote, I'd recommend that Obama treat his victory as a mandate for his program. George W. Bush showed Obama the way as to how to rule like you won a landslide victory when, in reality, no landslide.

akagi writes: "But even if Roe is
overturned, it will not stop a single woman wanting an abortion from having one."

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!!! Just more leftist hyperbole.

"... nothing to stop someone from going to say New York from Mississippi."

Aaah, interesting that you mention THAT... speaking of Marxist/Communist Obama... Obama was one of the FEW who voted AGAINST a law making it ILLEGAL to transport a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion without parental consent.

NOW, if taking parental authority AWAY from the parents isn't part of Marxism and Communism mindset, whether or not it's actually written out.. word for word, then you're missing the BIG PICTURE!




GAME, SET,...MATCH
Akagi!

Anne
Well when your research reveals that he aims to create a one-party state, the abolishment of private property, the creation of a corporatist state where all entities from the church, to the labor unions, the non-profit, NGOs are all absorbed into the state, that the military is an organ of the party, the media--print and broadcast are owned by the party, the means of production are owned by the state and finally at some point the state will wither away and each will be provided for--you know the old from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs and all that.

Opinions yes, but based on facts. The fact being that Obama has yet to propose one single program that could correctly be viewed as communist. What he is is a hard-line European-styled socialist that you can in much of Europe. Hint, dear, Sweden in the 1970s wasn't communist. Their top rate was 90%, is Obama going to create a 90% bracket. When Obama puts forward such a plan, then we’ll talk but for now he is no more communist than John McCain is.

akagi: Thanks, but I was being facetious
Sorry you have to waste all that bandwidth.

However, I would suggest that you work on getting just a little sense of humor. You could use some. It's necessary for emotional good health and well being.




Anne
Roe v. Wade decided on faulty legal reasoning and since Roe was no longer pregnant should have been decided moot. But even if Roe is overturned, it will not stop a single woman wanting an abortion from having one. Some states where abortion is already very difficult to get like Mississippi and South Dakota (both if I recall have only one clinic to serve the entire state) will out law it even take the extreme Palin position of outlawing it in the cases of rape and incest. But many other states would still have very liberal abortion laws and since there isn't pass laws in the US, nothing to stop someone from going to say New York from Mississippi.

Yes, Anne, lots can happen in 33 days (many are voting now though), but unless the economy starts to rebound quickly, Obama will win. I thought McCain could win and maybe even probably win until the chain of failures hit--WaMU, Lehman Brothers, AIG, etc etc. I thought about a 50-50 chance for McCain to win, now 20% and falling. Look at the Polls in Ohio. He is down 8, if he loses Ohio (20), it is over. Name me a state Kerry won that McCain will win? None is the answer. All Obama has to do is win what Kerry won+ Ohio and he is the next President. He also leads in Nevada (5), New Mexico (5), Colorado (9), NC (15) for 34 and add that to Ohio and you have 54 EC votes moving from the Bush side to the Obama side, giving Obama 305--35 more than the needed 270.

McCain is in deep trouble. With no toss up states, Obama is at 259, he needs just 11, McCain is at 163, 107 needed. My prediction today is Obama wins 298 electors, RCP has him at 353.

If McCain and Palin don't start doing some real damage in the debates, it is over.

Dave, CORPS need to PAY TAXES!
AGAIN, it isn't individuals taxes that ARE THE PROBLEM and YOU KNOW IT!

AS DOES THE GOVERNMENT!

'TAX RATE', doesn't MEAN THEY PAY THEM!

NO TAX LIABILITY SCAM IS BANKRUPTING AMERICA.

Our Governments OWN REPORT!
example,
In 2005:
1/4 of ALL "large" U.S.-controlled corporations and 2/3 of ALL U.S.-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY; foreign-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY at roughly similar rates.

Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.pdf

Dave, Obama Tax Plan?
His plan has been spelled out, LONG before JOHN'S, on his site. Feel free to go download it.

scooby doo
Good article, Larry. I believe McCain should get down and dirty when necessary.It,s not about race, it's about the liberal agenda and all their lack of moral values. It's about corruption and stealing from the American people. It,s about facism and the taking over our government. I'd rather have McCain then an empty suit. The more we look for facts on Obama, the more facts are hidden.By the way Larry, why have you not run for the presidency?

McCain shouldn't even visit WH!
Admitted COMMIE COLLABORATOR McCAIN shouldn't even be able to hold public office. Without his MAFIA and ELITIST connections he would have been exposed as the WAR CRIMINAL he is.


This is an election of lesser of two evils.

Lone..YOU TRUST A SOCIALIST OBAMA
to tax our way out of the economic mess? Obama will raise taxes on the businesses that provide jobs in order to pay for his social funding. He will repeal tax cuts and raise corporate taxes. He will raise the death tax so families lose family businesses. Taxes, taxes, and more taxes, that's what you'll get with Obama. But then again like Joe Biden says paying taxes is a patriotic thing to do.

Tell me how Obama's tax plan and social programs will help our economy? Wealthy people will just find ways to shelter their money from government's greeedy hands.

You won't answer my question because there is no justification for Obama's economic plan, people are just too stupid to see through his empty rhetoric. People like you are fools to believe Obama has any clue to revive this economy.


akagi writes: "I pointed out correctly
that calling Obama a communist is mindless as he is not a communist."

You pointed out, what is YOUR opinion, and NOT necessarily "correct." In fact, it is NOT correct.

"There is not one thing he has proposed that could correctly been seen as a call for transforming the US into a communist regime."

Well, actually there have been many things, whether or not you like it or want to acknowledge it.

Ret. Geek has DOCUMENTED MANY instances over the past months. And no, I'm not going to recount them here since Ret. Geek's documentation and links are far too numerous and lengthy....

HOWEVER, I might suggest that you link to his blog where he has many, many such instances that prove you INcorrect.

I know, because Ret. Geek and I have worked together on the research.

Memo to Elder: Let's get'em to PAY tax
'TAX RATE', doesn't MEAN THEY PAY THEM!

NO TAX LIABILITY SCAM IS BANKRUPTING AMERICA.

Our Governments OWN REPORT!
example,
In 2005:
1/4 of ALL "large" U.S.-controlled corporations and 2/3 of ALL U.S.-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY; foreign-controlled corporations reported NO TAX LIABILITY at roughly similar rates.

Report:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.pdf

It's a wrap!
McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.

Not so
"Obama still claims, without rebuttal, that while the surge succeeded, it failed to bring about the "political reconciliation" intended. This is patently false"

Patraeus even says...

"General David Petraeus, the commander of US forces in Iraq, admitted yesterday that sending 30,000 more troops into the war zone in January had failed to yield the desired results. "It has not worked out as we had hoped," the general said."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/08/usa.iraq




It doesn't matter what McCain does
McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.




Blunder is putting it mildly
"Obama calls, without rebuttal, the Iraq war a blunder. Is it? By an almost even margin, 39 percent of Americans call Iraq a failure,.."

Ethnic cleansing..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080919074830.h tm

Iran loses their biggest enemy.. Saddam

Over 4300 families lose a loved one.

Our ability to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan lets AQ grow and the Taliban come back, and in our effort to fight with fewer troops, having been sent to Iraq, we are bombing far more, and accidents, like the 90 civilians killed recently, are going to lose us our hearts and minds campaign.

One wonders whose side Larry is on.

Anne
Bush was behind Kerry in the exit polls because of polling error, actually polling bias as the poll takers mostly for some reason decided to simply ask young people coming from the polls (heavy Kerry voters)and thus there were more Kerry voters in the samples than Bush voters (some claim this was false--e.g. John Zogby--and others claim this proves the 2004 election was stolen as the exit polls were actually correct--e.g. the nutcase RFK, Jr (well his father was a left wing loon, why not him--the nut doesn't fall far from the tree I suppose).

But you are correct that the exit polls were false and it even showed Kerry was winning Mississippi--that proved to Rowe that the exit polls were flawed, there was no way Kerry was winning Mississippi. Some early in the day in the campaign began to start calling him president-elect based on this polls.

However, Bush wasn't rarely behind Kerry in the polls in 2004. From late July until mid-October Bush lead Kerry, yes at times the lead was in the margain of error, but still a lead. From early September to early October, Bush's lead was more than the MOE, in mid-September he had a 14 point lead and in late September an 8 point lead. Kerry had a small lead in early October (within the MOE) and Bush rebuilt his lead in mid-October and increased it to 8 points. The last polls showed Bush up by 2 and he won by 2.4. Pretty accurate poll, don't you think? Using the same poll, Obama is up by 3.




Memo to Elder: GAME OVER
It's still the ECONOMY, stupid!

Not really "taxes" being average Americans biggest worry TODAY.

October 2, 2008
"7-year high in jobless claims and plunging factory orders stoked fears that the government's financial rescue plan might not be enough to ward off a recession. The Dow Jones industrials fell nearly 300 points".

AND, John is still a republican. That is why...

Last Updated: 10/1/08
ALL Polls have Obama

Poll of Polls
Survey USA
Rasmussen
Quinnipiac
CNN
ARG
Insider Advantage
Research 2000
Strategic Vision
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http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/elect oral-college-results.html


Geek the Bot
"Barack Obama and William Ayers were on the Board of Annenburg, which owns and operates factcheck.org."

So of course, discredit the source instead of its contents. Standard practice by conservatives.

It should be quite easy to dis-credit factcheck.org, after all they are not dealing with opinions but the verification of facts.

Research and prove they are wrong and get back to us. Should keep you busy.




Chief Justice Warren Burger, who

originally voted in favor of Roe v Wade, just prior to his retirement wrote that he was having second thoughts about his vote, and was of the mind that the Supreme Court should never have passed it.

Off to my Volunteer Work

I will be back later this afternoon.

'Sacrifice for the Common Good'
There is no way to know the true Barack Obama.

I would hazard a guess, based on my 32 years as a Marxist (I am now recovered thank God) that Barack Obama is a Marxist/Socialist and not a Communist.

Communisim is a dialectical process that requires Capitalism (with a weak middle class) and Socialism, for ignition.

When one reads or studies Marx/Engels writings, one will come across the words 'Dialectic' or 'Dialectical'. Few know the meanings of these words, even dictionaries or other references have it wrong.

In written history, Plato is credited with this orginal approach to drawing a logical conclusion or the best possible solution between two opposing views.

Thesis = Capitalism or materialism in Marx thought.
Anti-Thesis = Socialism in Marx thought.
Synthesis = Communisim in Marx thought.

Marx saw Capitalism as evil and the worst possible economic approach - Marx saw Socialism as the best possible economic approach.

Marx saw Communism as the best possible 'Synthesis' between the two.

The Marx theory simply put, is that pure Socialism will NOT work efficiently unless all participate voluntarily. Since NOT all Capitalists will voluntarily participate, Communisim becomes the 'Coercive Force' to accomplish that goal - everything is owned and operated by the state - including the citizenry.

Over 100,000,000 citizens have been starved to death or murdered in order to gain co-operation - all 'Sacrificed for the Common Good'.


McCain Should Make Some Ads
With Elder, Sowell, and Blackwell all criticizing Obama's associations, conduct and policies.

Then offer them positions in his administration.

Geek
"Equal protection" should be afforded to all--and the courts have ruled that citizens and non-citizens alike are entitled to this protection, but the unborn have never been seen as US citizens who are protected by the equal protection clause. Even those who oppose abortion and Roe v. Wade on the court won't go this far--i.e. Scalia.

"...And if a state were to permit abortion on demand, I would and could in good conscience vote against an attempt to invalidate that law, for the same reason that I vote against invalidation of laws that contradict Roe v. Wade; namely, simply because the Constitution gives the federal government and, hence, me no power over the matter." --Antonin Scalia, 2002.



Why No Middle Class?
Poor and lower class won't have the resources to fight the government.

SET SARAH PALIN FREE!!!

Patricia #182: Spot ON! Pres. Bush was

was BEHIND even in the EXIT POLLS on ELECTION DAY!

I'm pretty sure he WON! :-) LOL

A LOT can happen between now and election day... and I'm sure it will.


There are three more debates.

Only a moron would think or believe that this contest is over. Yogi Berra is far smarter than these wise guys who spout nonsense.

As Yogi said, "It ain't over 'til its over"

Jim speaks the truth
""Now tell me, why did Puglousy not wait for the close of the Market? That could have been arranged easily. Now I haven’t looked up the data, but as I remember the Dow Jones was down a couple of hundred points when the vote stated, and market close was not far away. If Puglousy had just waited another hour, or thereabouts, hundreds of billions of dollars would not have been lost in the value of stocks sold on the Market.""

I agree Jim, I saw this move for what it was while she was still giving her 5 minute "it's all republicans' fault" rant.


Pelosi knows it wasn't all republicans' fault, in fact she knows just who's fault this mess is. But in true democrat fashion, she took what should have been a death knell for dem control of congress and threw it in Bush's lap.

Of course, if our media were truly Objective, they would have pointed out what we already know. That every attempt by republicans to get more oversight were shot down by the very people that top the list of fan/fred money.

This info is only a google search away, but far too many in this country still believe that the media is Objective.

If the bailout plan in the house was so awesome, how come 94 democrats voted against it? Yet Pelosi and Frank blamed the failure on 12 republicans.
Pelosi cooked up a Crap Sandwich and expected the republicans to call it steak. When they refused their order, they were vilified.

I think the 126 repubs who voted against the 1st bill were Heroes, along with the 94 brave democrats who did the same.

Very astute observation Jim, too bad we seem to be in a minority these days.


More than taking the gloves off
is needed to respond to the democrats and their media backed campaign against McCain. McCain needs to take two shots of whiskey and tear Obama a new one in the next debate and in the ensuing days of the campaign. He must go for Obama's throat from here on out.

Obama has a WEAK resume and pitifully little experience. Obama does have the media in his corner and they are a big asset to him however anyone who goes beyond the MSN reports can see Obama for what he is.

There are many days to go but McCain has to see blood and go for the kill and let Palin do the butchering.

Go Sarah, beat Biden senseless tonight, take no prisoners. Do not let up. The Democratic party deserves no less.

Geek
Communists also wanted Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, McGovern, Humphery too. The Libertarians will want McCain too, doesn't mean they are Republicans. Communists would love to see their own or McKinney to win but they know that is not possible, so you want to see the one that is nearest to your position of the two major candidates and for the CPUSA, that is Obama, but it still doesn't make him a communist, just in their view the best of the two that can actually win.


D G on Middle Class

D G wrote: "...Barrack Obama has accomplshed nothing at improve the standard of living for wokring middle class Americans..."

Marxism CANNOT work with a strong middle class.

In order to apply Marxist/Socialism the middle class must be destroyed or severely diminished. This is one of the tenets of Marxism.


Obama and his Mentor Wright are dead set against a strong middle class as declared in point 8 of the TUCC platform:
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".

Why no middle class?

Harder to conduct 'class envy and struggle' which is the lifeblood of Marxism.

Left Angle you might as well answer
Do you believe that every United States Citizen should have the same rights and protections under the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more - no less?

"...The purpose of this website is to reveal the disproportionate number of black babies exterminated by the abortion industry in America.

Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele. The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large.

1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.

Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry..."

"...With 1/3 of all abortions performed on Black women, the abortion industry has received over 4,000,000,000 (yes, billion) dollars from the Black community..."

By Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr.,
March 5, 2008
http://www.blackgenocide.org/obama.html

Left Angle what about Rev Childress and the 'Supply and Demand Question'?

Obama's National Security Force

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Barack Obama Speech July 2, 2008 Colorado Springs CO
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If I could get each of you to think just 30 seconds about this.

Barack Obama said: 'civilian national security force'.

Civilian - Would MOT include military or other Law Enforcement agencies.
National - Would NOT recognize State Boundaries.
Security - Security for what?
Force - This word usually denotes power and authority.

Why does Barack Obama want a Civilian Security Force?
1) Just as powerful as the Military.
2) Just as strong as the Military.
3) Just as well funded as the Military.

What will Barack Obama have this 'Civilian National Security Force' do?

Help in hurricanes or other disasters? - we already have the state National guard.

Some have said 'The National Guard is in Iraq and Afghanistan' but Barack Obama plans to have them home less than halfway through the Obama administration.

If America ignores this threat of an Obama personal 'Security Force', perhaps answering only to Barack Obama - I believe America is doomed.

A few more things Butcher
Care to be more clear on your mindless rambling post?

What did anything I posted have anything to do with the American concept of life? I pointed out correctly that calling Obama a communist is mindless as he is not a communist. There is not one thing he has proposed that could correctly been seen as a call for transforming the US into a communist regime.

As for God and Japan and the US, let's see you had two Asian colonial empires fighting over the control of the Western Pacific. To boil it down even in more simple terms it was a war fought over Japanese access to oil. Japan needed it, the US had no intentions of letting Japan get it until it agreed to various US demands (which Japan rejected--a few hours after the bombs began to rain down on Pearl Harbor--why you should hire people that can type I guess). A drive by Japan south on the NEI would have lead to the US declaring war (and with all its assets in place), thus you had the attack on 12-7 and it had nothing to do with Japan's view on how America viewed God.

I've been waiting to hear......
Letttttttssssssss getttttttt readdddyyyyyyy toooooooo ruuuuummmmmmmbbbbbllllle!!!!!!!!
I too thought by now that McCain would have gotten all the garbage that's been collected on the barrybarracknobama and his cronies. One doesn't have to have any real imagination to know what the same circumstances would be like if it were the other way around! No one else is going to get it out in the public...MSM or TV Barrack. The "silent majority" better start getting UNsilent. Buttttttt.....I ain't heard the fat lady sing yet!!!!!
I would hope that tonight we will see the first salvos fired.

Missed Oppurtunity
The biggest miss was when Obama started talking how he warned against Fanny and freddie...Mccain had a very weak answer something like Me Too.
While Obama stared at him and dared him to tell the truth. Did anyone catch the look of satisfaction on Baracks face when McCain gave him that weak answer? Obama's association with ACORN & Raines put this mess right in his lap.What's Mccain waiting for???
Maybe he didn't want to politize the impending vote , but I agree w/ Mr. Elder if McCain wants to put country first -he needs to win this damn election!

Swing and a Miss by McCain
Mr. Elder, suggest that Sen. McCain should "take off the gloves" against Sen. Obama.
But therein lies the problem.

What good does it do to "take off the gloves" when you cant hit the opponent in front of you?

in the parlance of boxing obama is bobbing and weaving and counterpuching while McCain is "telegraphing" his punches having his ears boxed off in return blows..

Obama is setting McCain up for a late round KO come prez election 08. It's going to be fun to watch.

btw: repubs/cons much of the slime you want McCain to use against Obama doesnt amount to a hill of beans and would only appeal the narrowminded among the electorate. namely your selves. It would not be effective..

Jim
And the market is 24-hours, it wouldn't have stopped the sell off of futures in the Asian markets which first open about 3 hours after the market closes in New York. Delaying any announcement of bad news won't do anything on a weekday--it might buy you 36 hours or so on a weekend because the Asian and European markets are closed too.

Polls???
Remember President Bush was behind in the polls but he still won both elections.

D: About the fire; Random thoughts.

During the past presidential debate, McCain commented that Obama did not understand the difference between a tactic and strategy.

It's been obvious that Marxist Obama only knows "tactics"... which is what we've seen, and some of which we're just learning about with ACORN and the ACORN THUGS; ie the many instances of voter fraud (registering the deceased,) etc., and the "in your face" approach since he began campaigning.

It was such "thuggery tactics" and intimidation that got Marxist Obama his Ill. senate seat, as well as his seat in the US Senate.

And we're seeing more and more of that "thuggery type tactics" daily. For example, I've gone to no fewer than five sites, only to find video of either Marxist Obama or Bil Ayers REMOVED! That's a tactic!!

However, a strategy is a real PLAN and SERIES OF MANEUVERS to obtain a goal. Such as, losing a battle knowing that further down the road that small loss will enable the winning of a larger or more important battle, or winning the war.

That is part and parcel of who and what McCain is, and how he was trained as a Naval Officer.


Now, I know McCain was specifically referencing the Iraqi war when he made that statement, but I'm NOT so convinced that he's not using the same type of "strategy" in the campaign process.


A few days ago, on some TH thread, a poster brought up McCain's "October Surprise?"

Ummm??? IF McCain does have an October Surprise, it's October now, and I'm ready! :-)

Barack Obama and Acorn

"ACORN is a grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), whose members in the late 1960s and early 70s invaded welfare offices across the U.S. -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them.

ACORN's mandate today includes all issues touching low-income and working-class people.

The organization runs schools where children are trained in class consciousness; it oversees a network of "boot camps" where street activists are trained; and it conducts operations that extort contributions from banks and other businesses under threat of trumped-up civil rights charges.

In the 2004 and 2006 election cycles, ACORN and its sister group Project Vote ran nationwide voter mobilization drives that were marred by allegations of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams.

Beginning in the mid-1980s, Obama worked with ACORN and Project Vote.

In 1995 Obama sued, on behalf of ACORN, for the implementation of the Motor Voter law in Illinois. (Jim Edgar, the Republican Governor of Illinois, opposed the law because he believed that allowing voters to register using only a postcard would breed widespread fraud.)

ACORN later invited Obama to help train its staff. Moreover, Obama eventually would sit on the Board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which gave a number of sizable grants to ACORN.

In April 2007 The Nation reported, “Today Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side [of Chicago].”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/acorn5.html

Jim
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