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Sunday, August 17, 2008
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Above my Pay Grade?
by Kevin McCullough
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Americans have never expected our public servants to be perfect. In fact on many levels it can sometimes be comforting to know they are not. Foibles, mistakes, faux pas all remind us that while they are called upon to lead us through times of tremendous challenge, that at the end of the day they are one of us. They are not from some line of tyrannical despot royalty allowed absolute power.

Realizing this however also causes us to understand that while they may make mistakes certain qualities are particularly more helpful, attractive, and necessary when vetting the nation's leadership. Honesty, ethical integrity, and transparent commitment to the ideals of our nation are the non-negotiables that we seek, need, and demand. Barack Obama fails the test on all three levels. Saturday night he demonstrated none of the above - and in the presence of the most recognizable mega-pastor in America.

As an aside - my own past issues with Rick Warren being what they are - it was my opinion that Warren hosted perhaps the most helpful presidential forum to date in the 2008 White House race. This shocked me - but to my pleasant surprise - was greatly beneficial for the nation to see. For while Warren and Obama may have been tied at the hip for a few years now, even in the friendly confines of Saddleback Church, Obama was unable to speak truth, and now the world saw it exposed.

His most outright lie was his claim that abortion rates had gone up over the last eight years. Within minutes bloggers at TownHall.com, pro-life groups like Americans United for Life, and even the analyst panel on Fox News Channel had the stats in front of the American public. Abortion rates have actually decreased over the last eight years, and have done so in significant fashion. In fact in January of 2008 it was reported by the Guttmacher Institute and repeated in U.S. News and World Reports that abortions had reached a three decade low.

For Obama to so blatantly say otherwise demonstrated paramount ignorance; ignorance to such degree that he should not be elected dog catcher, much less the most powerful chair of the free world. And if not ignorant then he was more than willing to manipulate the issue by forthright lying to the largest audience of evangelicals in America, and a pastor on national television.

But his willingness to do so is easily parsed in the world of liberal far-left politics today. There is no real consequence to telling untruths in the world of the academic elite that Obama stems from. Every time he opens his mouth it is an opportunity for him to appear as though he is weighing multiple sides of an issue and with his smooth articulation drip words that his sycophantic, brainwashed, supporters believe are divinely inspired script.

But they aren't because he's just a man, just like any other man, with temptations, sin, and deficiencies of judgement. Only Obama's deficiencies in judgement seem unparalleled in recent history.

When asked most forthrightly by Warren as to when a child should have its God given rights protected, Obama balked and claimed "knowing when something" that is obviously living, "begins to live" was, "above his pay grade."

Even as a father he knew it was a lie.

Go back to the day when Michelle first told him that she was pregnant with their first daughter. Was his daughter alive? If someone had desired to injure his baby girl while developing in his wife's body would he have "misunderstood" as to whether it would have been morally wrong? How deep would his anger have been if someone had robbed him of the relationship with his little girl?

And yet this flail speaks to his fundamental misunderstanding of morality and whether or not his moral judgement could be trusted as the most powerful man on earth.

Obama has added even further doubt by outright lying about why he supported the exact same "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" that was even too radical and immoral for Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, and Dianne Feinstein to support. Put differently Obama is the only elected official on record to ever vote in favor of denying life-saving medical care to children who had been born but that were struggling for life.

Is that a decision too confusing so as to be "above the pay grade" as well?

It isn't for most Americans.

But don't let the facts be confused, Obama is now lying about his lie, and claiming that those who say he is lying are the ones doing so.

So is he confused about the facts, bought and sold by the abortion lobby, or just manipulating the issue for bait and switch political gain?

The answer to all three is likely "yes."

And since it is we the tax-payers who hire the person, and give our permission to run our nation, perhaps we should consider keeping Obama at the "pay grade" of his U.S. Senate seat, where his convoluted intellect can be kept in check and balance by those who are not as morally confused, ethically challenged, or blatantly dishonest.

And when his present term concludes - another vacation to Hawaii would do him well.

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Obama's flare gun
This guy is in way over his head. Bush is an idiot? George Bush clearly knows more about the major issues than Obama, who comes off totally ignorant when he is asked hard questions.

Honestly democrats, this guy supports a 45 percent NO exemption death tax. Think about that. You pay taxes all your life and he proposes the government snatch almost half of what you managed to keep when you die. Do not plan on leaving it to your kids. There are those who think this is a grand idea. They claim that kids should be forced to earn their own money rather than relying on what their parents leave them. I might agree if I felt that everything we earn belongs to government and we should only keep what they say we can. But that is a destructive mindset that I will never have.

There are too many who lament that, "He still has too much money!" when they speak of some heavily taxed rich guy. The bottom line is, his money is none of your freakin business. Nor should it be.

Cutting Throught The Crap
Only the most ignorant, deluded and/or desperately partisan among us can continue to feel justified in supporting such a slimy candidate as Obama at this point! Its just so. You must know.

Err on the side of caution...
Apparently Obama is unfamiliar with the term to "err on the side of caution." If he were, his policy might not be that "the answer to when life begins may be above my pay grade, but I've never once in my political career voted to place any restrictions on abortion whatsoever." Obama has always chosen to err on the side of death (i.e., the side of the NARAL lobby). Of course, this is a guy who says he wouldn't want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" if they were to make a mistake and become pregnant.

This guy doesn't deserve to be given the time of day, let alone the Oval Office.

colony14.net

So B.O. considers it above his...
...paygrade to decide when life begins, but not above his paygrade to decide that newborns can be left on a shelf to die of exposure? All the spin in the world (referring to God, huh? Riiight.) can't straighten that one out.



When two inomplete sets of DNA combine to form a complete new and unique set of DNA is my belief on when life begins.

"First, do no harm..."
My comment about Obama's "abortion defense" is too lengthy to post here, but if you're interested in a rebuttal to the most lame-brained and disgusting defense of a late-term abortion you could ever imagine, you can find it here:

http://colony14.net/id10.html

McCain deferring to the States...
To those critics who said McCain answered too many of Warren's questions with the answer that he would leave those decisions to the states, you should be reminded that the U.S. Constitution (Amendment 10) reads:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

In other words, McCain knows more about the Constitution than does Obama, the alleged "Constitutional Law professor." Based on Amendment 10, I would argue that at least half the laws passed by Congress in the last 150 years have been unconstitutional. That (federal usurpation of power) was the real reason the southern states seceded from the Union, not slavery.

If Obama is elected, I'm ready to move to Texas and work to get it to secede. Does anyone want to join the group?

http://www.colony14.net

Enjoyed article and your posts!
Subject: Obama's Verbal Opposition To Born Alive by oncealwaysamarine:
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2001-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1095, on the Illinois Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f


Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2002-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1662, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pd f

Interestingly, the Chicago Sun-Times, on August 25, 2004, printed on page 49, a cartoon by Jack Higgins, pictorially admonishing Barack Hussein Obama for his opposition to Born Alive, proving that, once again, information about Obama, while being politically sensitive, is not reported when it may be damaging to Democrat political ambition.

The Mainstream press has been, and will continue to pretend ignorance of any & all information about the Lone Stranger, while trying to do all they can to propel this Marxist devil to the top job in the country.

His elevation to the Presidency serves their evil ambitions as much as it does his, and they will stoop to anything to get a stranglehold on the American people and to subvert the traditional values of our Constitution.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness..."--Romans 1:18

Non-response
The response showed how little real thought MR. Oboma's has put into the issue as well as how much a politician he is. He tries to straddle the issue rather than confront it. He does not know when life begins? He supports abortion rights, given his voting record.

So he says it is all right to take the thing out of the womb at any time because ignorance of when life begins makes it ok?

His response shows only a regurgatation of leftist doctrine.

As for those who've posted such things as Bush killed 4,000 in Iraq. He freed twenty million.

To those who ask whether we will go back to back room abortions. Simply answer the questions. When is it all right to destroy a living thing? A cell is a living thing. When is it all right to destroy a living thing which has but one result - it becomes a human being?

Tax cuts. Corporations employ us. BO takes away two thousand and more by taking away the Bush tax cuts. Investors pay taxes on investment profits. The more money one is allowed to make the more these profits bennefit all of us.



wonders never cease!
Today one more level-headed contribution from GEORGIA!

Talk Show Junkie! You win Toon Hall Bragging Rights for the week, having brought us all a marvel of wisdom and hilarity all rolled into one post.

Your alphabet networks appraisal; a CLASSIC, as follows:

". . . lamestream dinosaur media, Osamabama CYA networks--

Commie Bull Squeeze, All Bolshevik Crap & Nazi Baloney & Claptrap . . . even they know their Anointed One laid an egg."

"Nazi Baloney & Claptrap," i.e., NBC !!! Truly makes my day! Bravo, Junkie for Hot Talk Radio!

impeachbush pontificates today
Pontificating @sshole says this, amidst much more stupidity:


"Life is NOT black and white like these rightwing politicians like to portray. There are grey areas."

Yeah; that's so. There are also lower life forms and higher ones. YOU represent the lower life form.

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Above my pay grade...give me a break
Ann Coulter made a great point that if Obama doesn't know when life begins then why wouldn't he be safe and be against abortion? That way if life did begin at conception he wouldn't be endorsing what potentially could be murder. Obama either believes life begins at the moment of birth (thus making abortion acceptable)or if he believes it begins earlier, is indifferent to human life. I can see why he wouldn't want to say the latter but whats wrong with the former? You think abortion is morally acceptable and the government shouldn't prevent it, so please Senator give us your reasons why.

heigth of the ridiculous:


An ape who calls himself "wes" said,

"I'll say it nice and slow: Not everyone believes that a tiny bunch of cells is a "baby"

Reply to that ape:

YOU'RE only an ape. When we require the word of apes to discern what is & what isn't a baby, we'll take a notebook over to the ZOO and ask your stupid opinions. Till we do, keep that BS to yourself.


Katz et al:
First: Understand this... I'll say it nice and slow: Not everyone believes that a tiny bunch of cells is a "baby". For those of us who know that a 6 week old human fetus looks just like a squirrel fetus and a fish fetus, it's not too hard to come down on the rights of a human full grown woman to choose what happens in her own uterus.
If you crazy one-issue voters out there would say OK to B-I-R-T-H C-O-N-T-R-O-L there wouldn't be a need for a question about abortion in what should be a political discussion.

As far as McCullough's assertion that "it was my opinion that Warren hosted perhaps the most helpful presidential forum to date in the 2008 White House race"

I'm sorry, "Do you believe that "Evil" exists? That's a useful question? The questions about supreme court justices, education, taxes, those were useful. They talk about those questions every day and have been doing it for months and months.

I'd say Saddle Back was useful to get Rick Warren some air time! That's about it.



Is it Hypocrisy?
i think it is ludicrous that the same crowd who howls about human rights abuses in China, who vows to save the lives of animals, and who decries the death penalty for mass murderers has absolutely no problem with the murder of the unborn. And now, the murder of the living who survived the first abortion attack. I guess the conversation goes something like this, "Oh, my God! It's still alive! Kill it again!!" Amazing! Is this hypocrisy? Or is it merely craven degeneracy?

Attn: Kevin, California
Dear Dear Kevin - You are very angry because you don't know who your original parents are and you don't know that there are millions of persecuted Christians around the world who are just as foolish as myself who continue to give out our foolish message that God created man and woman and they were called Adam and Eve and that's part of the reason that millions of Christians are persecuted, tortured and die in Third World countries and why people such as yourself are mocking Judeo-Christians in America, as well. Judeo-Christians are are called fools by people such as yourself are blinded by the light that Obama is shining in your eyes.

Oblaba finally speaks the truth
This baby killer who would nominate more baby killers to the SC went beyond his pay grade a long time ago. And if some libs, like Alan Combs, thimk he was referring to God then why doesn't he defer to God when voting for infant murders and err on the side of morality? Because he knows exactly his pay grade. The grade that answers to the looney libs, Soros, Wright, Ayers, etc.

Irrelevant
Osamabama was irrelevant from the get-go. Community organizing, what's that, rabble-rousing & putting notes & signs telephone poles?
Attending an America-hating, black Nationalist "church" for 20+ years? Hobnobbing with fruitloops like Tony Rezko, Bernardette Dohrn, Bill Ayers & Michael Pfleger? Some resume, some accomplishments.

Obama lays egg at Saddleback
As one who voraciously consumes right-wing talk radio, I from the get-go never drank the Barack Hussein Osamabama Koolaid. This ultra-dunderhead & superannuated snot-nosed kid, as has his Lady Macbeth Michelle, has put his foot in his mouth enough times from the very start of his entry in the Dummycrat POTUS wannabee race to disqualify him for the great office in my mind: a) 57 states; b) don't want her daughters punished with a baby or STD if they make a mistake; c)Jena is proof-positive that systemized racism still exists; d) it would only be fair to jack up taxes on dividends & investments; e)support of assorted pro-gay & pro-abortion legislations; & so on & on.
I hope to God enough people who watched the Saddleback Forum whether in person or on TV also believe The Chosen One has unravelled like a cheap suit & is an emperor parading in his underwear.
Back to the lamestream dinosaur media, wouldn't you know, the Osamabama CYA networks - Commie Bull Squeeze, All Bolshevik Crap & Nazi Baloney & Claptrap - tried to pull a fast one on the public at large by not reporting anything about the Saddleback Forum in the morning news, because even they know their Anointed One laid an egg.

Pay Grade
What isn't above Obama's pay grade? He is a classic example of the Peter Principle. And that was true even before he became a U.S. Senator.

Question for bulldog and Obama
If that 3 inch long living being is not one of "the least among us", then who is?
If the baby accidentally surviving an abortion is not one of "the least among us", then WHO IS???

Kevin
Don't be ignorant. There are, and were Christians in VietNam. At the time, they certainly wouldn't have been openly so, and like early Christians, who drew fish in the sand, would have to let people know in such a way.

Do you forget the woman?
An embryo is the size of a pinhead at conception and until implantation several days later. It is 3 inches long at 3 months, with only basic brainstem function. It has no cerebral cortex to think or experience consciousness. The woman, in whose body it grows, has a life, an identity, dreams, goals, and conscious awareness of her future. Who do you think should control her body? The government? You? Some church? Who are you to make childbearing a punishment that women must endure because of your religious beliefs? If it comes down to the rights of a 3 inch fetus or a human woman, the woman must be the one to decide what happens to her body!

just a detail, lois:


It wasn't Blackbird said that stupidity. It was the moron calling himself impeachbush.

He's sick.

Blackbird said-
How come you are condemning Barack Obama who has not caused or paid for any abortions and also hasn't been responsible for 3,000 Americans dying on 9/11/01, another 1,000 dying in New Orleans and over 4,100 dying in Iraq?

Life is tough, It's even tougher when you are STUPID- John Wayne

Kevin in Ga.
Do you know that you sound like a convicted killer in prison who has gotten his hands on a PC? Do your jailers know that you are posting on the web?

response to post from Charles @ 1:30pm
The question as I see it is not whether moral failings such as carelessness about sex or failing to take responsibility for one’s own actions are circumstances that cause women to choose abortion, but whether you believe the act of abortion itself is wrong and whether this is sufficient grounds to outlaw the practice. You say you believe it is clearly immoral, but I still don’t know what that means. What is immoral about it in your view?

Let' get them now
A WORD TO THE WISE FOR NANCY PELOSI, ET AL, HARRY REID, ET AL, AND SCOTUS: REMEMBER

WHEN KING GEORGE III AND PARLIAMENT CAUSED THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY HAD 3000 MILES OF OCEAN AND A LARGE ARMY AND NAVY BETWEEN THEM AND THE VICTIMS OF THEIR TYRANNY. THAT IS WHY THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS DIRECTED THEIR DISPLEASURE AT A SHIPLOAD OF TEA.

NOW, WHEN U. S. CONGRESS MEMBERS ARE CAUSING THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PATRIOTS THEY ARE BETRAYING, AS WERE THE FRENCH ROYALS WHO WERE GUILLOTINED. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE WHILE THEY’RE SPREAD OUT IN THEIR CONSTITUENCY AREAS FOR A FIVE-WEEK VACATION.

NOW, THEY CAN BE TRIED FOR TREASON BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE THE LIBERAL BETRAYEL OF OUR NATION AND OF OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL. WHEN BOTH SENATORS AND SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM MANY OF THE STATES COMMIT MULTIPLE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE NATION AND THE PEOPLE, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE CONSTITUENTS TO PROSECUTE THEM, SELECT APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT FOR THEM, AND CARRY IT OUT.


We should reduce
Obama's pay grade to that of unemployed jailed convicted traitor.

Abortion! Those
who support the killing of the child have some precedents.
Let’s look at a little history.
First we had the SCOTUS declare that Dred Scott was not a human being therefor enhancing slavery. It took the Civil War costing thousands of lives to right that wrong. Then we had Adolph's followers determining that the Jews were sub human and therefor were worthy of extermination. He almost succeeded. Now we have the proponents of the abortion holocaust with close to 50M dead babies who never had a chance to enjoy life and contribute to the overall good of our society.
The most atrocious method of killing the unborn is the partial birth abortion procedure.
The almost 9 month baby is partially delivered by breech birth except for its head which is left in the birth canal. The abortionist then pokes a hole in the back of the baby's head and sucks out the brains. The dead baby is then removed from the birth canal.
Our baby boomer generation and their offspring are primarily responsible for this tragedy and those of retirement age are about to suffer the consequences. Anyone who believes that the loss of 50m potential workers and their contributions to SS is inconsequential needs to visit their shrink.
The chickens indeed are coming home to roost.
May God have mercy on our soul.
PS: If you are a so called Pro-Choice male and have ridden off into the sunset after impregnating your girlfriend leaving her to suffer the consequence, don't waste your time responding. I've heard all of the lame reasons for the need of our own holocaust.
Sorry for the double post! Had a senior moment and hit the wrong key. :-(


You'll never win against God


These developments lately thrill me to the core! Obama won his Chicago Senate seat in a walkover; he only had the rather "polarizing" pro-life stalwart, Alan Keyes to beat. The GOP placed him in nomination mainly because they needed a black conservative.

Alan's views on abortion, we all know, are over St. Michael Archangel's end of the spectrum. This gave Obama an unbeatable edge at the time.

Alan Keyes went down to defeat, regrettably. BUT DID HE? Keyes may be vindicated now beyond our wildest dreams. GOD was not amused last time!

So, here we have the one who took it away from Alan; NOW on the abortion hot seat to STAY! --THIS time all Americans of faith are gathering against him.

The serious U.S. abortion issue is about to crack down hard on Obama.

His career pandering for abortion will destroy him. Maybe Alan Keyes, a really great black American, will soon have the last laugh, on the Siamese Cat Who Walks Like A Man!

Abortion! those
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Let’s look at a little history
First we had the SCOTUS declare that Dred Scott was not a human being therefor enhancing slavery. It took the Civil War costing thousands of lives to right that wrong. Then we had Adolph's followers determining that the Jews were sub human and therefor were worthy of extermination. He almost succeeded. Now we have the proponents of the abortion holocaust with close to 50M dead babies who never had a chance to enjoy life and contribute to the overall good of our society.
The most atrocious method of killing the unborn is the partial birth abortion procedure.
The almost 9 month baby is partially delivered by breech birth except for its head which is left in the birth canal. The abortionist then pokes a hole in the back of the baby's head and sucks out the brains. The dead baby is then removed from the birth canal.
Our baby boomer generation and their offspring are primarily responsible for this tragedy and those of retirement age are about to suffer the consequences. Anyone who believes that the loss of 50m potential workers and their contributions to SS is inconsequential needs to visit their shrink.
The chickens indeed are coming home to roost.
May God have mercy on our soul.
PS: If you are a so called Pro-Choice male and have ridden off into the sunset after impregnating your girlfriend leaving her to suffer the consequence, don't waste your time responding. I've heard all of the lame reasons for the need of our own holocaust.


Obama is living proof
of the the Peter Principle.
I'd like to hear what a shrink would say about this guy...he is clearly delusional and should be in a rubber room in a jacket with extra long sleeves.

Kevin from California
As Obamad did on the Civil Forum on the Presidency you have revealed yourself here as uncivil, ignorant if not outright stupid and unfit to participate in civil discourse or to vote intelligently in any election.
You may call the issues of murder, especially of babies regardless of when life begins, and perverse, hedonistic, non-productive sexual practices of homosexuals and lesbians fake Christian issues but it is the abortion advocates now responsible for 40 million murders of babies in the U.S. alone since Roe v. Wade in 1973 - a tragedy 6.6x that of the WWII Holocaust, and homosexuals/lesbians who have made these issues, not Christians.
Further, Kevin, there are thousands if not millions of Christians in past and present Communist countries and there certainly were and are many Christians in both North and South Vietnam.
My advice to you young man: Follow the old saw and keep your mouth shut letting people think you may be a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

Kevin like Obama
did on the Civil Forum on the Presidency you have revealed yourself here as uncivil, ignorant if not outright stupid and unfit to participate in civil discourse or to vote intelligently in any election.
You may call the issues of murder, especially of babies regardless of when life begins, and perverse, hedonistic, non-productive sexual practices of homosexuals and lesbians fake Christian issues but it is the abortion advocates now responsible for 40 million murders of babies in the U.S. alone since Roe v. Wade in 1973 - a tragedy 6.6x that of the WWII Holocaust, and homosexuals/lesbians who have made these issues, not Christians.
Further, Kevin, there are thousands if not millions of Christians in past and present Communist countries and there certainly were and are many Christians in both North and South Vietnam.
My advice to you young man: Follow the old saw and keep your mouth shut letting people think you may be a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

McCullough's second-to-last paragraph
"And since it is we the tax-payers who hire the person, and give our permission to run our nation, perhaps we should consider keeping Obama at the "pay grade" of his U.S. Senate seat, where his convoluted intellect can be kept in check and balance by those who are not as morally confused, ethically challenged, or blatantly dishonest."

Exactly! And that is just how I plan to vote! If a candidate cannot tell us how he will lead and what decisions he will make, he does not deserve the top paygrade of the United States.

TO EACH OF YOU READING THIS:
When did YOUR life begin? Does it matter to you?

jeffjenn
In response to your question, I believe that any reasonable person, whether religious or not, understands that abortion represents a significant moral failing. It is a moral failing first in being careless about sex if a pregnancy would be unwanted, and second in failing to live up to the responsibility of following through with the pregnancy because it would be personally inconvenient.

Putting religious beliefs aside, the question of whether a fetus is human life is a legal question, to be decided in that forum. So my belief is that abortion is clearly immoral in any circumstance, but it is not illegal and probably should not be.

I find that position consistent with my strong conservative beliefs, which hold that government should not interfere in people's private lives and that minimal government is the best government.

At the same time I understand that others have religious beliefs that are different on this subject. I would only say to them that their religious beliefs should not be imposed on others any more than should foreign religious beliefs, such as Shariah law.

Morality v. Politics
Abortion is a moral evil, period. The extent to which it has been performed in the last 35 years makes it an evil on a par with Communism and Naziism, based on the number of innocents killed, and the visciousness of its proponents.

The politics of abortion are fairly straightforward. Some people want it outlawed, others want it to stay in place (and there are those who want it legal but "restricted.")

The problem right now is that the Supreme Court badly overstepped its authority in Roe v. Wade (There's nothing in the Constitution that states that the Supreme Court can even rule on a state issue AND there is no mention of abortion in the Constitution. It wasn't necessary at the time of the Founding Fathers because everyone understood it to be an evil act and laws against it were not controversial. The only reason the Supreme Court should meddle in state law is when the state clearly and actively violates the Constitution of the United States, such as by restricting firearms ownership by law-abiding citizens.)

This action took the measure out of the hands of the several states (where it belongs) and imposed a federal mandate (by judicial fiat) that abortion shall be legal. While I, personally, would like to see abortion eradicated, it's enough politically to simply give the power back to the several states, where, as I said, it belongs.

When life begins
A human baby is viable as early as 5 months (20 weeks) (although this varies widely from person to person.)

EEGs register brain activity at 10 weeks after fertilization.

The child is considered a "fetus" 9 weeks after fertilization, at that point the major systems have been formed and the baby begins to resemble a human in physical form.

The heart beats at about the 2nd-3rd week after fertilization. The brain also develops at that time and brain activity may start then.

The fertilized egg begins to split almost immediately on fertilization. As the egg and sperm are both living things (though separate before fertilization) the zygote (fertilized egg) is also a living thing. As it has the full human set of DNA, and as DNA is different from one species to another, that living thing can only be human.

(Everything but the conclusion comes from this website: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm )


Above my Pay grade
Obama you are above your Pay grade right now. Every time you open your mouth the only thing that comes out is either Arrogance or Ignorance. How a guy like obama can get elected to Public office in the first place says a lot about how terrible the voting Publics Judgment is. If this guy gets elected in November, the tipping point will have been reached and God help us.

An unjust law
Charles, You say abortion is a moral evil that you believe most Americans understand as such, but that the question of whether abortion should be outlawed is a separate subject.

Please explain what you think the moral evil of abortion actually is (if not wrongly taking a human life), and why this isn't direcly connected to deciding the question of outlawing abortion. It is the wrong of abortion that necessitates outlawing the practice.

Obama and Christian Truth
Barack Obama and the Demos decided in 2004 to interject religion and faith into their political script playbook. Obama frequently cites Matthew 25 when he quotes, "What you do for the least of my brothers." This is consistent with Demo economic and socialistic policy: tax the rich and give it to the poor. The problem with this approach of quoting Jesus is that they don't understand the basis for Jesus' words. Jesus also said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." The rich, the poor, the despised, all are our neighbors, and deserve respect and our compassion. Jesus was not a Demo shill.

On the issue of when life begins, Obama is either ignorant of Christian dogma that life begins at conception, or he rejects his alleged Christian faith for the political expedient. Either way, only a man lacking in character would fudge as he did.

The Demos should not go into areas...namely religious truths...without belief in those truths. To do so, proves them to be phonies and/or mockers.

JMO (Part II)
You also asked me if Political leaders should speak for God.

No, they should not. But they should be able to answer a simple philosophical question, especially when their answer to that question is abundantly clear based upon their record.

That unrestricted abortion is a part of the Obama philosophy shows that he does not believe that life and human rights begin inside the womb. If he had any doubt on that philosophy, and was not a supremely evil person, he would not believe that abortion should be legal. Only a supremely evil person would accept (a) that human life may begin before birth and (b) that it is OK to end that life after it begins. If you're not sure, why would you err on the side of death?

Nonsense, Edward of CA


You're out of your depth.

"It amazes me how gullible many in the religious right are. I acknowledge many evangelicals truly believe abortion is a moral evil that should be outlawed."

In fact; they're absolutely correct. It's a moral evil FIRST, political dispute second; and the fight against it a Republican party plank --third.

I'm normally unimpressed by evangelicals, so-called. But only because I'm a Catholic. Yet, it happens Catholics & Bible Christians stand united against ALL moral evils; not just abortion. And abortion is the single greatest evil in the world.

I hope you'll understand why if you read on.

The sin of abortion not only breaks God's 5th commandment. It's the worst injustice ever known. But it also condemns those who perpetrate that atrocity to everlasting damnation. No believer can be indifferent knowing sinners are on the way to hell; because Our Lord DIED for each one of them.

Don't call that gullible. It's 100% perspicacity (a fifty-cent word for WISE.)

Yes, we realize there are countless millions who don't give a fig about God or His words, much less any church. They comfortably do whatever pleases them; thinking there are no actual rules of morality.

Believers give that no relevance. We KNOW without any doubt judgment definitely comes to those scoffers. Therefore, to us the MORAL standpoint is of the highest importance. We have to offer good counsel at every opportunity. Do you understand?

JMO
First off you say that if Obama said everything I wanted to hear I wouldn't believe him and would never consider a Democrat as worthy of ruling. (A) You're wrong, and (B) wouldn't you feel the same about Republicans? Would you ever believe anything that George W. Bush said?

My complaint about Obama in this case is not whether he is qualified to lead, but why he couldn't just answer the question directly: "Rick, I think that a child's human rights begin at birth." (or at 2 weeks, or at 6 months, or whenever he believes it to be true). Don't give me that bravo-sierra about "It's above my paygrade" when (as you said, JMO) his position on abortion is abundantly clear.

As to whether I would ever vote for Obama, considering that I disagree with him on race relations; abortion; gay privileges; religion; guns; immigration; the attitudes of middle Americans; crime; the war in Iraq; the need for a military; taxes; the budget; government healthcare; the importance of patriotism, especially in an elected office; the effectiveness of Chamberlain-ian diplomacy; the continued existence of the UN; our continued presence in the UN; energy policy; drilling for domestic oil; and the likelihood that alternative fuels will be a viable solution for 100% of our power within my lifetime you're probably right.

By the way, while I would disagree with them politically, I certainly believe that Mark Warner, Zel Miller, Joe Liebermann, Bill Richardson, Chuck Schumer and even Hillary Clinton are all "qualified" to be President. Not that I would vote for them, but they would be more qualified than Barack Obama.

You can run, but you can't hide
"Above my pay grade" means that Barack Obama does not think he is God--like George W. Bush thinks HE is God and has the right to determine who should live and who should die!"

The revealing thing about Obama's non-response to when a baby has legal rights was his reluctance to give a direct answer. If you support abortion choice the way Obama does, surely you base it on something other than mere freesom of choice. Liberty that is not grounded in morality is pure license. This is what Obama supports, and this is why abortion choice has no place in an America that professes an inalienable right to life.

Edward says...
"The entire abortion debate as a political issue is a fraud."

Well, that surely explains why you're here.

Morality of abortion
Edward from CA says: "I acknowledge many evangelicals truly believe abortion is a moral evil that should be outlawed. While I disagree with that position, I respect those who hold it as a matter of principle."

One does not need to be an evangelical to understand that abortion is a moral evil. I suspect that an overwhelming majority of Americans understand the immorality of abortion.

Whether abortion should be outlawed is a separate subject. While I can respect Edward's position on outlawing abortion, I cannot respect his position that abortion is not a moral evil. Or did Edward just use imprecise language?

to wounded knee
Jude and other prophets and apostles spoke of the prophet Enoch.. Genesis records Enoch as being a prophet who walked with God and never saw death but was in fact translated...The Bible in fact has many passages from the books of Enoch..Ethiopia has original books of Enoch no doubt acquired from Solomon through his lover , the queen of sheba.. The Books of Enoch were also among the dead sea scrolls.. Perhaps you should type in Books of Enoch and read these for yourself.. But I caution you.. these books of Enoch are for those who can eat meat not for babes who can only drink milk..

Who's come to lie, steal, kill...
Everytime Obombus opens his mouth he further proves what an enormous prevaricator he is. There is one who comes to lie, steal, kill and destroy...Obombus is proving himself on all 4 accounts and he isn't even president yet...; or is he really a complete mental midget?

Barack Hussein at Saddlebrook!
Am amazed how things always work for the best for those who love the Almighty God. It was really amazaing to have this forum to opened the eyes of those blinded by the charismatic "new jesus massaihs", that even the Hezballahs and the every one that calls us the great satan are hoping to be in charge of the higher position in our country. Barack Hussein showed his true leftist-socialist colors, even though I am sure there will be still blinded ones that can not accept what is in front of their eyes,because his art to pleased their itching ears. He really showed his way of discrediting the judges that were elected to the Supreme court who are on the side of conservative. He forgot that while he was pointing them, three fingers were pointing at him and his lies. It was a real failure trying to look calm, but he was uncomfortable being at this forum. He did not have his written answers at hand and search for every answer to pleased the crowd that was really paying attention to what he was saying. Am sure plenty of citizens are worried to have this man as the Commander in chief. He must get plenty of experience before he should apply for this job. Wake up Americans! Time is getting too short, get informed.

does anyone on the right actually think
It amazes me how gullible many in the religious right are. I acknowledge many evangelicals truly believe abortion is a moral evil that should be outlawed. While I disagree with that position, I respect those who hold it as a matter of principle. The republican party and its leaders, however, absolutely do not hold that position. When McCain says he is going to be a "pro-life" president, what does that mean. Let me tell you what it doesn't mean. President MaCain isn't going to do anything to outlaw first trimester abortions in this country because the public wouldn't stand for it and he knows it along with every other republican. He will do things in the margin to keep the religious right on the reservation (partial birth, parental notification, etc) but only because thse policies have wide acceptance. If McCain and the republican party are so pro-life at their core, why doesn't he come out and say he is going to do everything in his power to outlaw abortion - isn't that the pro-life position? He should come out and say he is going to appoint judges who will overturn Roe and once that is accomplished, he is going to send legislation to congress to outlaw all abortions. Isn't that what the party platform calls for? The republican party is rhetorically pro-life only. As long as the party says the right thing on abortion, the religious right will continue to back them and they know it. I guess it doesn't matter that the party isn't actually committed to doing anything about its supposed unwaivering commitment to the unborn. The entire abortion debate as a political issue is a fraud.

Let's forget all the religious
aspects of when a soul enters etc etc..it clouds the issue.
In this country one can practice any religion or none. The question was simple and Mccain got it right. Life begins at conception, for the baby killers in this country to accept that truism is to have Roe overturned immediately. The Constitution guarantees life, liberty etc to all Americans, since life as an American begins at conception, the only way these people can justify this barbaric atrocity is to obfuscate and call the developing American citizen anything but what it will be at birth.

We got Roe because people stopped being responsible and got "liberated" to act like sluts, there is no way anyone with half a brain and a little common sense should ever get pregnant in the 1st place, if they did, tough! Grow up and accept the consequences. Allowing the murdering of the innocent result could only come from the depraved minds of people who have lost their humanity and must now force that on the rest of us to justify themselves.

Roe demeaned life in this country, little wonder we have school shootings, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these kids didn't lose a sibling to the abortionists knife.

contrdiction,contradiction,contradiction
"""""knowing when something" that is OBVIOUSLY LIVING, "begins to LIVE" was, "above his pay grade.""""
Can anyone tell me when something that is OBVIOUSLY LIVING begins to LIVE..????what?? are we all stupid???Obama must jump in joy ...

Can anyone explain this obvious contradiction..My explanation is that if it is obviously LIVING it is alive.... What kind of a stupid contradiction was Obama trying to subliminally place in our minds...Is his twisting of words to make us believe that he believes an embryo is living while in the womb..God, what a mess one would be if they listened to Obama..Lies, contradictions, tricky words ...Like a wise man said...Obama will slowly erode the god part of man out of man just as the serpent did to Adam and Eve.

origin of abortion
Ruth,

HIS EXACT WORDS.
Enoch book 2 parables...69:1...

What book are you reading? It certainly is NOT the BIBLE. The Bible does Not contain the Book of Enoch.

When quoting the Bible, read the scripture first. Quote it correctly. The Bible does NOT support abortion period.

chew on this, killer


-
Your law professor, so-called SUCKS.

He's teaching young skulls full of muck the law of the jungle.

origin of abortion

I positively love the article..
My opinion of Obama's stand on abortion....
If we consider the origin of abortion we would not have to consider whether it is good or evil...
One of god's best paygrades and a legitimate prophet said the fallen angels of Genesis taught men to murder the embryo in the womb...
HIS EXACT WORDS.
Enoch book 2 parables...69:1... And the fifth was named Kasdeja: this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the EMBRYO IN THE WOMB, that it may pass away, THIS IS ABORTION...
In my opinion Obama's approval makes him like the fallen angels who originated abortion..

Stefano
I am going to repeat what one of my law professors said to me;"The Only Rights You Have are Those That You Can Protect".Translation;The unborn cannot protect their rights therefore they don't have any!They only have the rights that have been extended by the mother.

Above My Pay Grade! This
sounds like a response recommended by the passed over ex LTC USAF (Ret.) Strictly used by the military all time.

The amorality of abortion choice
Obama's dodge on the question of when a baby has legal rights exemplifies the moral defectiveness of the essential pro-chocie position. They don't believe the question of when life begins is even relevant to allowing abortion rights. Theirs is an ethic of moral license that is the antithesis of our nation's professed commitment to an inalienable right to life.

Thank you, Obama, for making plain the moral indifference that is at the core of the prochoice position. Now is the time for Americans who still believe in an inalienable right to life to take the initiative to rid this nation of the moral scourge of legalized abortion.

Alright
Fall in!

impeachbush, front and center.

Let's see what this moonbat puke has to say:

"You ringwingnuts are despicable with your self-righteous, self-aggrandizing holier-than-thou smug judgemental noses in the air!"

This is a rightwing website. YOu don't like us wingnuts, you know where the door is.

'Nuff said.

Fall out!

OBAMA ALREADY ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE

.....He should be operating a shell game in a traveling carnival ...

...JACK ...Did Matthews say he got a tingle up his leg? ...or a dribble down it? ...maybe he needs a pair of depends .....COLOSSUS

Excellent analysis
of the pathetic, garbled, fumbling, amoral, dissembling, equivocating, inexperienced, ignorant, socialist fool - The Big O - total emptiness - Obamablahma revealed himself to be what every thinking person already knows: The Big O is running on empty ... there is no there there in Obama the yellow-bellied champion of infanticide (and Warren did not challenge O on this ...?). Solipsism and narcissism and stupidity are the attributes of cowards and Obama has them all. Obama - The Supremely Unqualified for Office shammeister makes Pimpin' Clinton look respectable.
President McCain it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The beginning of the end to a campaign?
The Anointed One's gaffe about "Above my paygrade" is just one more nail in the coffin of his campaign. The closer we get to Election Day, the more Americans are beginning to recognize what an empty suit he actually is. We will get more assurance that it is over when Chris Matthews stops getting a tingle up his leg whenever Obama's name is mentioned.

BTW - for the Obama supporters here: Have you ever learned how to write a sentence without making so many craptacular grammatical errors?

Obama and Dukakis
Obama's "above my pay grade" response on abortion ranks with the Dukakis response on the death penalty as the stupiest statement ever by a Presidential candidate. The President of the US is required to deal with a wide variety of monumental issues, and there is nothing "above my pay grade." The Obama response illustrates the fact that he is so in bed with left wing radical politics that he is incapable of opposing something which he likely believes is morally wrong. We need a person of conviction, not an electrifying speechreader.

LIFE AT CONCEPTION ACT

.....Congressman Duncan Hunter has introduced (HR 618)"The Life at Conception Act" ...the Senate version of the Bill was introduced by Roger Wicker (R - MS) ...

.....When the Supreme Court ruled on Roe they wrote that it was up to Congress to determine when life began ...if Duncan Hunter's Bill reaches the Presidents desk, his signature will overturn Roe ... for more info go to http://www.prolifealliance.com

a
Dear a,

You are repeating lies. Go google the interview that Obama did with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network right after Rick Warren's forum. It appeared on CNN.

It's amazing to me how many rightwingers have had their heads stuffed full of lies about Obama by the right wing smear machine.

Phylo out.

A lie?!
It's a lie to say that I don't know when an embryo becomes human life?

No Mr. McCullough, it's the only honest answer an intelligent well-informed person can give.

Who says so?

Pope Ratzinger, for one:

"The Magisterium has not expressly committed itself to an affirmation of a philosophical nature [as to the time of ensoulment], but it constantly affirms the moral condemnation of any kind of procured abortion."

So the Pope is intelligent enough to understand that the answer is rather more complex than most simple-minded evangelicals, like McCullough, care to admit.

One problem with McCullough's theory: according to science, such an "instant" does no exist. Here's how Steven Pinker describes the actual science in "The Blank Slate":

"Just as a microscope reveals that a straight edge is really ragged, research on human reproduction shows that the 'moment of conception' is not a moment at all. Sometimes several sperm penetrate the outer membrane of the egg, and it takes time for the egg to eject the extra chromosomes ... Even when a single sperm enters, its genes remain separate from those of the egg for a day or more, and it takes yet another day or so for the newly merged genome to control the cell. So the 'moment' of conception is in fact a span of twenty-four to forty-eight hours."


McCain himself probably knows better, but he also knows how simple-minded the evangelicals are on this issue, so he told them what they wanted to hear.

And McCullough has the nerve to call Obama a liar!?

Unbelievable. The right wing has gone off the rails. You people are literally going insane.

Phylo out.

Above my pay grade?
So, just for my information, aren't we electing him to one of the highest "pay grades" ever? When you are POTUS, what is above your pay grade? Of course, those who are Christian would have some idea about that, but when it comes to legislation, don't the President and Congress make those decisions, if not on a factual level, then on a practical one? If the child has human rights, you cannot kill it. If it does not, you can.

JMO51, it is the rare politician indeed who claims to speak for God. Bush has a personal relationship with God, and as such, that is a two way, very personal conversation, but to my knowledge, he has never claimed to speak for God. And pretty much all Christians believe they have a special destiny, if they have looked into the Bible much.

JMO51
We don’t wish our candidates to speak for God, just provide a coherent well thought out argument? Obama was unable to provide such an argument because on the issue of abortion he is so far to the left. His support of allowing fully birthed infants to expire without medical assistance puts him in the criminal realm. That is why he could not give a coherent answer to the question.

For someone with over 300
staff members...consultants and so on and so forth, it's amazing that they let him be himself, unscripted, unteleprompterized...braindead.
Aside from this mayor faux pas (yes, he wants us to speak other languages) he mentioned co-sponsoring a bill with McCain on Ethics reform as his one accomplishment for working across the aisle...if you look at congressional records he began working with McCain on this bill but succumbed to party pressure and quit (he is famous at quiting). This prompted McCain to send him a scathing letter about his lack of follow through. This is an individual without moral compass, to kill a child after it has taken it's first breath is an act against humanity. Even Martin Luther King's Jr. niece is boycoting planned parenthood making her voice heard on "legalized" genocide. Something should be done next time he needs to run for congress...he is way above his pay grade.

Happy Jake
Obama has made his position clear. But warren's question was not should abortion be legal, it was when does life begin?

Here is the problem Happy, even if Obama had said everything you wanted to hear you would not believe him. Your ideology provents you even from considering that a Democrat might make the better leader. All the rest is just a justification for that position with strained arguements.

Question: Should political leaders claim to speak for god. Should they believe they have a special destiny?


Killer: an appropriate pseudonym
You say: "I support a woman's right to do whatever she wishes with her body. For any so called Conservative to suggest, that the "State" have control over the human body of any person, is a disgrace and betrays what it means to be a Conservative."

In your first statement you intentionally fail to mention the body of the aborted person, the unborn baby. That person has a right to his or her body but is helpless to tell you that.

Then you say: "Your article does not mention the fact, that there are 145,000,000 orphans in the world."

Killer, your second statement tells us that you know that the victim killed is an early stage person just as you once were, and the "145,000,000 orphans" you cite once were.

If you think that the "145,000,000 orphans" are better off dead, then why don't you just say that like a man and be done with it. Why hide behind equivocal statements and euphemisms like Senator Obama. He was at one time open about his position that babies accidently born alive should be left to die. With animals in that situation most people would put them out of their misery by killing them. Is that your position? Why don't we just allow "abortion" up to 6 months after birth if things don't work out. Then we won't be burdened with all of those orphans. Come on Killer, live up to your name!

Killer
obama voted to not keep alive an infant born alive.
Get it? The baby is BORN already.
NO abortion is possible if the infant is born.
No choice of convenience for the "mother".
No body is my own bull$h*t.

You are an Idiot.

Regards,
Boomer, Fl.

Killer
You are confusing Conservatism with Libertarianism. Conservatism has always had a moral component to its philosophy. I suggest you read Buckley and some of the other founders of modern conservatism.

I disagree with you that abortion will remain universally legal in the United States. Science not Religion has greatly assisted the Pro-life movement. Sonograms and other medical procedures are educating women on just how quickly an unborn life looks human. I believe Roe vs. Wade will eventually be overturned for this reason as well as the decision was bad law. Abortion will remain legal in certain states.

Donald
Sir,you are either a "Fool" or a "Liar".The differences between Senators McCain and Obama are minuscule at best.The word minuscule means very small.The question that faces Americans is a simple one;Do you want a President of the future or of the past?Those of whom time has passed, will vote for McCain.While those whom time awaits, will vote for Obama.You can't stop the "Future",Donald.Sorry...

Won't speak for God
Obama is prochoice and if that is a litmus test issue so be it. No point in arguing that one. But what Obama was saying is that he won't speak for god. We have had political leaders throughout history who rose above this pay grade they called them kings and emperiors. And on occasion we even have had a president or two who has confused beliving in god, as opposed to believeing god has a special destiny for him or speaking as if his words were the yet to be written word of god.

I like that humility in a leader and it certainly will be a refeshing change after the arrogant and self righteous Bush years.



Saddleback Church
I hope that the American people wake up & finally see just what type of a person Obama is. He couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it. Thank you for bringing attention to the fact that he lied. And he did it on national TV. And with a straight face. Of the two, I was impressed with Senator McCain. Up to this point I thought about staying home and complain. After last night, I now know who I will be supporting and it won't be the senator from Illinois

Kevin
"Above my pay grade" was a quote used by Mr.Obama to lighten the moment.He knew that it was a sensitive subject and had to be treated with care.Abortion is legal and it's going to remain legal,regardless of who is elected President.Defining the moment of "Life" is a medical call and should be left with Doctors.I support a woman's right to do whatever she wishes with her body.For any so called Conservative to suggest, that the "State" have control over the human body of any person, is a disgrace and betrays what it means to be a Conservative.Your article does not mention the fact, that there are 145,000,000 orphans in the world.Any thinking person can easily see you for the "Fraud" that you are.Walter Lippman is "Turning Over in his Grave".The Fourth Estate has now become a "Tool" of the state.How very SADDDD...

mrbmrb
PLEASE proofread your posts.

The Democrats Dr Mengela
Hussein Che Obama, as Commander -In Chief, God Forbid, can't even answer questions about when he feels Life begins.
For his children life begins at the moment of conception, for your children life will not begin even after birth.
Hussein demonstrated on previous votes on Legislation in Illinois.
The Jews found out in Concentration camps how much Mengela liked their children. Do not wait to find out how much Hussein Che Obama likes your children if he becomes President.
That's when he will give a truthful answer to the Evangelicals qustion.

Obama's well above his pay grade already
A good insight into Obama but the last paragraphs capture my thoughts as soon as he said the words "above my pay grade". He is currently operating above his pay grade from everything from national defense to energy policy. No one should be surprised that he is beholden to leftist views. He makes Bill Clinton look like an amateur when it comes to parsing words or definining what the definition of "sex" or "is" is.

Well, there you have it, folks...
Barack Obama - shallow as a mud puddle.

Obama's pay grade...
...he needs a cut in salary. Obama copped out with that "above my pay grade" answer. All his answers were very wide and shallow.

Not Ready for Prime Time
It's obvious to many of us that Barack Obama is not ready for prime time. Putin would eat him alive in one breath and spit him out with accompanying vodka.

A man who doesn't care about a live, kicking baby after a botched abortion is a man without a soul or a guiding star.

Let the continuing psycho drama of this tortured soul pass from us and leave us in peace while he endures years of much needed therapy.

he wqs referring to god you dolt
read obamas reply...pay grade. he was talking about god being the one who had the stnding and the authority to know how to answer that question,. the best qwe can do is guess and hope since He is a little ambiguous when he talks about it with us. which is seldom
them, he did make anistake unless you are talking about world abortins which have increased dramatically. the question ceertainkly made no distinction.
apology please.
and then there is mccains answwer. if it is true, as he says that life begins at the moment of conception, how can he possibly justify killing, (slaughtering, murdering, offing ete) all them poor little stem cells with federal funding, even though he has just admitted that they are real humans. mccain is the murderer. it is my belief that he got this belief as a prisoner of war when he saw how little respect the north vietnamnese and the captive americans had for human life. r. and th hippocrite and the liar.

Obama-ites to the rear!
B.H.O. is no reformer – he has showed us so in the unflagging support of his Democrat masters that have propped him up before us (Freddoso, 2008, p. Ch 1). B.H.O. is no Redeemer – as he has showed us in his unrepentant support for Planned Parenthood and the saddest kind of disregard for human life that would happen to survive an abortion (Freddoso, 2008, p. Ch 10). B.H.O. is no foreign policy leader (nor are his socialist friends and advisors), because he has never even been a Boy Scout.
As far as we have been able to vet so far, B.H.O. represents change that we shall be buried under with more and more federal debt. So, for you knuckleheads who think Sen. McCain’s candidacy promotes ill-will for you and your ilk, be advised that is you to whom we make fun of. For we know – from his own mouth – that B.H.O. knows full well his campaign is composed full of vapid innuendos upon which the Obama-ites can paint anything they wish on the canvas of his (brief) career in public life.
See you at the polls!

What if?

What if one of Obama's daughters (as a teenager) got pregnant, went to another state, had a late term partial birth abortion without him knowing until she returned home, what would be his take on this "mistake"?

Just wondering.

Martel
True enough. I only hope that McCain can do better than the typical 50% that the Republicans have had on good justices in the last 40 years. For every Rhenquist, Alito, Thomas, Scalia and Roberts, we've gotten a Souter, Stevens, Kennedy, and O'Connor. (Bush the Younger, despite any differences conservatives may have with the man, HAS excelled in picking justices who actually get throught he nomination process (Harriet Myers (sp?) is another case). Alito and Roberts were brilliant choices.)

Obama
Obama= Wile E. Coyote = Super Genius

Happy Jake
That "something" that you're looking for would have to be a U.S. Supreme Court majority opinion. When Roe is overturned, the issue returns to the several states where it has always belonged.

Leftist justices are mortal too. To thwart them while they yet breathe, we have to outnumber them, and that would not be happening under a President Obama.

I'd like to think that President McCain will be able to replace Justice Stevens, a Ford appointee now 88 years old. The next-oldest justice is Ginsburg, now 75, who underwent successful cancer treatments back in 1999. I wish neither of them anything worse than a long and happy retirement, but sooner would be better than later.


OnceAMarine
"The devil can cite scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness,
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek;
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!" ("The Merchant of Venice," Act I, scene iii)

Beware the secularist who cites scripture and applies it to his policies. It's like Satan tempting Jesus in the Desert, using scripture to justify his own evil intentions. (Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13)

little Kevin, at 12:47am, 12:56, 1:27
"[T]hese evangelical nutcases ... should go back to their Bible thumping business and leave the politics alone."

And all you Christians, stop voting. That's right, I said stop. No one is interested in your side of the dialogue. The debate is over, and neither your opinion nor your faith matters.

"As we all know, Vietnam was a Communist Country and there were no Christians in that Country."

Right, and after eighty years of French rule, we all know that the country hadn't a single Catholic. Well, here in Texas, we've got whole parishes of Catholic Vietnamese refugees, but I suppose they all could have converted after they got here.

And then you repeated that same post you put on the Austin Hill thread about the Forrestal fire. From your tone, it would appear that you want us to think the accident was McCain's fault, when nothing could be further from the truth. He was almost killed by the errant missile that initiated the accident when it was fired at him, not by him.

Bottom line: Kevin, you are worse than useless. You can't seriously expect that you are persuading anyone, can you?


B2Slim
While you are correct in your assessment of abortion, and, particularly, the Born Alive act and Obama's beliefs, the POTUS does not swear to protect and defend the lives of his constituents. His oath is to "...preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." (Constitution of the United States, article II Section 1.)

WHO'S ABOVE b.H.obamas PAYGRADE?
If b.H.obama alludes to "GOD" or whatever "HIGHER POWER" one chooses to believe in, as a paygrade above himself, then b.H.obama sees his "GOD" or "HIGHER POWER" simply as a higher paid employee. How many "gods" then, does b.H.obama worship? rezko, wright, farrakhan, pelosi and soros, to name a few?
If b.H.obama sincerely believes in "GOD", yet sees "GOD" as a paygrade above, then who or what does b.H.obama see as "GODS" employer? World Government, perhaps.
Jesus died on the Cross for our sins. Does b.H. obama believe and expect he will be forgiven for the sin of allowing and promoting the death of unwanted "born alive" babies?
Whether one is "pro-life" or not, b.H.obama does not worship the same "GOD" or "HIGHER POWER" the vast majority of Americans do. And if he becomes our President, his god or gods will impact us all.

Martel
You don't even need an amendment to actively forbid abortion (like the Prohibition amendment did with alcohol). All you need is something to say: "No article in this Constitution or the Constitutions of the Several States shall, without specific language to the contrary, be construed as to grant a right to abortion," or some other legalistic mumbo-jumbo that says "States can make abortion laws as they see fit." The problem with Conservative justices is that they don't live forever and stand a chance of being replaced by an Abe Fortas/Ruth Bader Gisberg leftist who likes to find in the Constitution rights that exist only in the minds of Leftists.

"Above my paygrade?"
I heard that comment this weekend accidentally (I walked into the room when my Fiancee was watching one of the news channels) and I had a little trouble believing what I'd heard.

Barack Hus-change Obama is a US Senator. His job is to make laws. Such laws may, at some point in his career, include at just what stage of development are children's lives to be protected as any human life. Making that sort of decision may be hard for the morally bankrupt, but it's not above a senator's paygrade. And it most assuredly won't be above his paygrade if he is elected President. Those kinds of "hard" decisions are the whole point of being President. If he can't handle that, he should drop out of the race now, and let Hillary, or Edwards, or whoever run. Of course, he couldn't be honest on a national stage -- in a church, no less -- and state that he believes that a woman's right to fool around without consequence is more important than a child's right to live, which we all know is true.

Incidentally, why would someone who is pro abortion lie about abortion numbers growing? Wouldn't he want to reach out to the wider audience (the one that includes anti-abortionists) and simply lie about why the numbers went down. Something like, "Look, when people have the power to make the decision themselves instead of the state making it for them, some of them decide to keep the kid," or, "Safe, Legal, and Rare."

AlphaO, at 11:41pm
"McCain can promise you anything, but he cannot deliver. There will be no abortion amendment. The best he can do is appoint rightwing judges who may throw abortion to the states."

OK, I'll settle for that. In the absence of an abortion-specific amendment, that's where it belongs anyway.


a mistake in the article?
Kevin McCullough said, "Obama has added even further doubt by outright lying about why he supported the exact same "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" that was even too radical and immoral for Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, and Dianne Feinstein to support."

I can't make sense of this sentence. Doesn't Mr. McCullough mean OPPOSED instead of SUPPORTED? Wasn't the infanticide, not the bill, the thing "that was even too radical and immoral for Barbara... to support"?

nature of Mr. Obama's lie about BAIPA
Mr. Obama's campaign has now admitted, at least partially, to his "misrepresentation." See Jill Stanek's website, http://www.jillstanek.com, for the breaking news and the proof of the lie.

"PROTECT and DEFEND" is the OATH

"PROTECTING" the rights, life of a baby born alive during an abortion attempt etc.

HAS zero to do with any religion:

THE POTUS swears to PROTECT and DEFEND:

NOT to "end" the life of an unwanted baby:
"BORN ALIVE" is NOT a baby still in the womb:

Using the lame excuse to "save the mothers health" is so bogus: a BABY no longer attached to a mother has zero to do with the mothers health:

TO propose that it is a right to starve, eliminate, slaughter a "BORN ALIVE" baby because it is "UNWANTED" "NOT PERFECT" "Punishment for a mistake" is demented, very very very disturbing,

and has zero to do with any RELIGION

STICk to the facts folks:
do not give me oranges when I am buying apples:

ZERO Character : Zero Solutions

Obama has zero character and zero solutions

a tire guage is NOT an energy policy

forcing taxpayers to pay for abortions is not a health care plan

"EVERYTHING" is above his pay grade

Obama is incompetent in all things:

AND the words came from his own mouth:

HE cannot expect to be POTUS and govern 300 million citizens and then pick and choose what he has to make a decision on:

EVERYTHING is on the table for POTUS: NO scraps on the floor:

very very very disturbing:
It is very very disturbing:

that in the USA a cruel and heartless person can be a POTUS candidate, who says it is right to eliminate, starve to death, slaughter a "BORN ALIVE" baby because it is unwanted or not perfect or you do not want you daughter punished with a baby because she made the mistake of dropping her pants:

TO think democrats have sunk so low: kiddy porn is fine with them and they support the elimination of an unwanted, not perfect "BORN Alive baby"

and Obama wants the taxpayers to pay for all abortions, abortions on demand, late term abortions and the elimination of an unwanted born alive baby:

VERY VERY SICK people: Who march to save the whales, the fleas, the mince, even a blade of grass and then march to eliminate a helpless baby:

YOUR taxes to pay for Abortions
WHAT Obama is saying:

HIS HEATH care plan is primarily to have the taxpayers pay for all abortions, abortions on demand, late term abortions, and "BORN ALIVE" abortions to "SAVE THE MOTHERS HEATH" when elimination of the Alive baby can't save anyone's life:

Obama does not want his daughters to be punished with a baby when they make a mistake:

FRANKLY the mistake is dropping their pants for everything that moves:

Obama was an accident
Obama should have never been born and wouldn't have under Roe v. Wade. To the idiots on this board who think a fetus isn't viable, all I can say is it's a shame you weren't aborted. The fact that Obama argued in favor of infanticide in the Illinois State Senate, to disregard the needs of a child post delivery, allowing the baby to succumb due to lack of care is, MURDER!

Casting aside all of the terrible prevarications and detrimental positions proferred by Obama, his callous disregard for life, is just palin evil. The man is mentally unstable, period!

While I don't agree with McCain on some of his positions, at least I know he's a patriot and is willing and able to defend this country. Obama is clearly a coward and a empty suit who offers up the race card every time the heat is turned up.

As far as the idiot who blamed McCain for the terible mishap on the Forrestal, your sir are a liar. I am a Viet Nam Vet and know that about that incident all to well. It was a horrible accident. Your contrived attempt to use it to discredit McCain,doesn't pass muster. McCain has more courage than a coward like you could possibly comprehend.

Face it Barry is a media creation and an America hater, who doesn't have a clue sans teleprompter.

Obama Condemns Himself Citing Scripture
Ironically, Obama cited Matt. 25:40 when asked by Rick Warren on the Saddleback Civil Forum, "What would be the greatest moral failure of America?" Obama:

"I think the greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don't abide by that basic precept in Matthew that "whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me."...and notion of that basic principle applies to poverty...racism...sexism. It applies to ...you know...not having...not thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the Middle Class. I mean...there is a pervasive sense this country is wealthy and powerful as we still don't spend enough time thinking about the least of these..."

"Can this "basic principle" in Obama's "moral" sensibility, preclude infants born alive and defenseless? Are they not included in "the least of these" that Jesus was speaking about? What "ladder of opportunity" did he extend to these? None, since their VOTES don't count.


"Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"And He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'"
Matthew Chap.25 vss. 41-45.

What does this speak to an advocate for infanticide [Barak Hussein Obama]?

In his narcissistic arrogance, Barack Obama quoted the ONE scripture that most condemns this heinous act.

Kevin smears McCain
Forrestal Fire

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/3298087/

At about 10:50 (local time) on the 29th, an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, was accidentally fired by an electrical power surge.

The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on a A-4 Skyhawk awaiting launch. The impact tore the tank off the wing causing an instantaneous conflagration. Other external fuel tanks overheated and ruptured, releasing more jet fuel to feed the flames. Pilots in their aircraft had the options of being incinerated in their cockpits or running through the flames to escape. With his aircraft surrounded by flames, McCain escaped by climbing out of the cockpit, walking down the nose and jumping off the refueling probe.

The impact of the Zuni on the first aircraft to be hit dislodged two of the 1000-lb bombs, which lay in the burning fuel.
One minute and 34 seconds after the impact and initial fire, a 1000-lb bomb exploded beneath McCain's plane. The force destroyed the aircraft (along with its remaining fuel and armament), blew a smoking crater in the armored flight deck, and sprayed the deck and crew with shrapnel and burning jet fuel.

Obama: A Fool and A Liar
It is prophetic that in the very scripture that Obama cited to Rick Warren at the Saddleback Civil Forum interviews, while making yet another attempt to moralize the faults of America, he chose one that places that very condemnation upon his own evil and hard heartedness.

Ever the chameleon, now posing as a Christian, he quotes Jesus Christ [Matt. 25] in another of his unrelenting attemps to criticize America, saying: "That basic principle applies to poverty. It applies to racism and sexism. It applies to...you know...not having--not thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the Middle Class...we still don't spend enough time thinking about the least of these..."

Yet this same man shrugs his shoulders and advocates AGAINST any ladders of opportunity being provided for defenseless, helpless, innocent babies?

Like Tonto said to the Lone Ranger...I say to the Lone STRANGER--whatcha' mean WE "Wright" man?

He claims that the people that say these awful things about him being in favor of the sacrifice the lives of innocent babies [the least of these] on the altar of abortion rights, are lying. Unfortunately for him, the record of his guilt is available for all to see, proving who the real liar is.

Before making a mockery of the scriptures, Obama would do well to take a lesson from Proverbs 17:7:

"Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool--how much worse lying lips to a ruler!"

or Proverbs 18:6-7:

"A fool's lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating. A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul."

Obama's Verbal Opposition To Born Alive
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2001-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1095, on the Illinois Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f


Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2002-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1662, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pd f

Interestingly, the Chicago Sun-Times, on August 25, 2004, printed on page 49, a cartoon by Jack Higgins, pictorially admonishing Barack Hussein Obama for his opposition to Born Alive, proving that, once again, information about Obama, while being politically sensitive, is not reported when it may be damaging to Democrat political ambition.

The Mainstream press has been, and will continue to pretend ignorance of any & all information about the Lone Stranger, while trying to do all they can to propel this Marxist devil to the top job in the country.

His elevation to the Presidency serves their evil ambitions as much as it does his, and they will stoop to anything to get a stranglehold on the American people and to subvert the traditional values of our Constitution.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness..."--Romans 1:18

when does life begin?
I had sworn never to reply again to any blog etc...As a non Citizen of the great USA,I was stumped as I watched that stupid clown make an... of himself and on this one I like to give my LAST THOUHGTS.
Why keep harping on "when does life begins"?
ANSWER: Life does not begin, Life is a constant. Life is now. Life is a continium. A living sperm enters a waiting living egg thus as preordained life continues.So it goes in intricate different ways with all living things and organisms here on earth and I would not be surprised also throughout the universe.ed

Sooner than later
I expect Hillary to be the crowned high priestess at the convention. She's certainly all set up for it. You won't have to worry about your boy Barry then.

So there.
Just for the record--we did not invade Iraq. We liberated it from a madman and his sons. The report is that the number of Christians has doubled since then, to the disgust of liberals, I'm sure. My servicemen like the Iraqi people and vice versa.---

to Kevin (12:56)
Regarding Mr. McCain and his story, I am currently in Ho Chi Minh City. I go to a Tin Lanh (Protestant) church every Sunday, but I live with a Roman Catholic family. There are many Roman Catholics in Vietnam, but most Vietnamese are nominally Buddhist and worship their ancestors.

(I am not an AMERICAN expatriate, though my father and one sister are Americans. If you think I should be kicked out of this forum, go ahead and try to have me kicked out.)

If it has not been clear up to now,
it should be crystal clear to even the uninterested, why Obama has avoided townhall invitations to appear with McCain and invitations to appear on Fox News Network. Either of these would simply hasten his demise.

I think we all knew


In fact, we all knew a day was coming when Obambi had to get out his political fire-extinguisher and face some HEAT. Nobody thought he'd find his pants on fire in the eyes of the nation so quickly.

We've all had the joy ALREADY! of SEEING this happen to him!

This is like that moment once; when Mike Dukakis was asked very casually:

If your wife is suddenly attacked by a rapist, what do you think you should do? And poor Mike answered; "I would talk to that man first; and see if . . . "

THERE went the campaign.

Our Democrat candidate met his sandbag in much the same style last night! Was it supposed to be a slam-dunk beating this dude?

I guess so! lol!

This Obama thing is simply scary.
Our National emotions are a run away train. Unfriendly nations are happy that this supposed presidental material has us all fooled. It makes us look like fools and is scary.
Don Jones
PoeSpirits.com

Re : Rose
Cut out your nonsense on Eve & her sons etc. There was no Adam & there was no Eve.

Keep your fake Christian fantasy to youself and stop making a fool of youself

McCain =Evil?
What is evil is someone admitting they are a war criminal, ( John McCain, 60 Minutes interview 1998 ) and then having the gall to seek the nation's highest office.

What is evil is panicking while getting ready to take off on the deck of the USS Forrestal, dropping your two bombs of napalm laced with WP on the deck, thereby killing 132 of your fellow sailors.... SEEING how it burned them alive; and THEN continuing to do bombing runs with the same ordinance later. TRUE EVIL! John McCain does know evil...but he then either CO-OPERATES WITH IT or he TURNS HIS HEAD!

Pay Check Is The Key
Did Obama mean that he'll compromise his values when it comes to choosing life depending upon the amount of his pay check? Just imagine if Planned Parenthood had been here after Eve's sons married and a few of their daughters grew up and founded Planned Parenthood, thereafter. I would guess that most of our ancestors would have been eliminated and most of us wouldn't be here, either. Abortion on demand reminds me of Hitler in a way. But then again, most of those who support abortions for any reason (not life threatening) wouldn't be here either and neither would their children, but I guess that they must do what they believe to be politically correct - not morally correct - politically correct in my opinion. I hope I'm never politically correct!


McCain and his stupid story
As expected McCain for the 100th time repeated the story of some Vietnamese guard drawing a cross on the sand.

As we all know, Vietnam was a Communist Country and there were no Christians in that Country.

As of now, 85% of Vietnam's population is nominal/secular Buddhists including predominant 83% East Asian Buddhist or "Triple religion" (80% of people are worship the mixture of Mahayana Buddhism mainly, Taoism, Confucianism with Ancestor Worship.

The McCain story is full of BS and meant to pander to the stupid evangelicals.

2 Christians praying together, blah blah blah
Clap Clap Clap...

The aborted mind of a proabort (11:51)
Wendy's kind of rhetoric-laden posturing over abortion amounts to psychotic denial over the real problem facing the party: Lack of principles. Especially one principle, the most basic of all: that all human lives are special because God says so. Except for the faithful socons, no one yet cares enough about fetal homicide and infanticide. By trying to trumpet this issue -- an issue on which it has taken the right stand -- the GOP can save Americans from an early grave. Go ahead and resolve to see America become a civilized nation. Don't unduly worry where it gets you with the voting public. Instead, stand on your principles.

American Theocracy
Why do we need to know how much the Candidate cares about fake Christian issues like abortion or Gay marriage?

How different are we from countries like Iran when it comes to choose our leaders?

For too long these evangelical nutcases are influencing the politics. They should go back to their Bible thumping business and leave the politics alone.


Doesn't care that's why.
Obama can't defend his position on abortion because he simply doesn't care. He cares more about votes and campaign money than anything else.

Obama is ignorant
No surprise...Obama...like most liberals are not very smart when it comes to understanding complex concepts like morality and ethics.

Obama hates America, but he loves the academic vacuum (and congress) where his profound ignorance can flourish and hide at the same time. Hide from the responsibility of morality and ethics and critical Christ centered thinking.

God given rights begin at conception...end of story. it is very easy, when conception occurs...life happens. It is small, microscopic and easy to ignore, but it is life. It is hard for him and other liberals to understand that something can exist if you can't see that something.

This man is completely unprepared and not smart enough to be President.

UMM, UHH, dah...
The true value of man is always measured in his ability to look man to man and eye to eye when discussing such serious topics as abortion, when troops should be sent in, and the value of LIFE...Obama was dancing and weaving during the entire conversation with Warren..looks like he missed his calling to be a professional boxer.
BY contrast, McCain was firm on his opinions and quick to answer...if he's senile, Obama may wish that he were more senile..McCain looked polished, comfortable, and extremely HONEST..I think we can all say we value his sacrafices to serve our nation with honor. Obama might as well go back to the hair dye...including a few grey hairs is not helping one bit to make him look more trustworthy, more knowledgeable, nor more PRESIDENTIAL...he just looked like a deer caught in the headlights....GREAT JOB MCCAIN

The aborted mind of a socon
This kind of emotion-laden posturing over abortion amounts to psychotic denial over the real problem facing the party: Lack of principles. Our GOP politicians, especially McCain, have sold us out to one degree or another in just about every issue impinging on human freedom: Foreign policy, prescription drugs, doing nothing on energy for years, bailing out the mortgage industry, foreign aid, environmentalism, faith-based initiatives, immigration, education, federal deficit spending, increasing the size of the government, etc. Except for a few psychotic socons, no one cares about the abortion issue. By trying to trumpet this issue -- an issue on which it has taken the wrong stand -- the GOP digs its own grave. But go ahead, posture and grandstand over first-term abortions. See where it gets you with the voting public.

I'll be around in December to help pick up the pieces of a party that destroyed itself.

Gray Ghost: YEAH! Doofus rode right out

of here... like the coward he is...

Can you believe that? Ask him one simple question about the vile, reprehensible, heinous, shameful, contemptible posts about OUR TROOPS on that sick, demented, maniacal, site, Huffy, for WHICH HE WRITES!

Heck, I've been asking him about this for at least four days now... Ha Ha Ha.... And he won't answer my questions. Huh! Wonder why???




Animal Girl
Just where in the Constitution is Abortion
written, name it..cite the section.

Can't can you, you just assume because a wicked
old man in black robes and his fellows decided
they found a penumbra..the partly lighted area
surrounding the complete shadow of the body that is in eclipse. The ORIGINAL meaning of
the Constitution is NOT shadowy, it says what it says and means what it says..but the black robed vultures decided to find something that wasn't there to enhance their own paygrades with a few kickbacks from the abortion lobby.
In this corrupt culture, it's all the same..follow the money..and you'd be surprised where it ends up. They have managed one thing,
to eclipse the meaning of LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT of Happiness in our Founding documents
to the pursuit of the prurient, the selfish
and demeaning.

Second-biggest gaffe:
Clarence Thomas: Not enough 'experience'.. a word Obama should be running away from!

Florida!
Haha! I noticed the use of the word "screwed" by obama. Don't get me wrong, I can cuss pretty good given the right circumstances but c'mon, the man was speaking to a room full of 3,000 evangelicals-with the whole world watching.

I think he did it to stay "cool" with his natural friends. "See, I'm cool enough to disrepect these bible-clinging morons by cussing at their forum, on their own lame stage!" It was pretty crude language from a POTUS wannabe....

glnflwrs
His tax cuts are going to corpartion. BHO tax cuts for middle class will eqaul about 1,000 per family McCain about 300. Check factceheck.org

If you want to drill now goin throuhg the states is not the way to go and McCain knows it. He figures the drilling will get kept in the states will not happen and can blame him. Offshore drilling proposal is pandering. Oil companies need to first start using the land they already posses offshore. (billion barrels of oil in land already leased 40 land not leased 18)

This is from the Energy Information Agency whichprovide official energy statistics for the US government check out the link
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

He believes in chasing the terrorist everywhere but Pakistan. Real tough that is where the terrorist are found.

He is Screwed
Obamas pet word must be "screwed" due to the number of times he used it in the interview! I guess he was talking about himself after his many blunders....The number one outcome from this interview was Obamas absolute lack of Character! McCain isnt the Jewel of the Nile but wow when you place the two side by side McCains Character shines like a beacon in the darkness next to Obama!

Craptacular....
Someone's been watching The Simpsons. Didn't Bart use that word once?

"Word made up by Bart Simpson to describe the defective Christmas lights his dad Homer purchased."

Hal Doofus Rides Again! (9:09pm)
"YAWN
Folks go home it is over"

It sure is Hal Doofus; but for your candidate.

O'Vomit's poll numbers are dropping. The "Looney Left" is getting more and more upset with O'Vomit's "flip-flops". He is looking so non-presidential that even McCain looks "Reaganese" in comparison.

O'Vomit said that some knowledge was "above his pay grade" and wouldn't even give his opinion. Well as a passed-over LTC, I am sure you have probably used that answer too.

America expects more from their Presidents than a typical bureaucratic "side-step" to an important question. We might not agree with what a President believes but we want to know his opinion.


Way to dodge answering that question
If deciding when life begins is above his paygrade, then so is deciding when life should end.

GTJohns
McCain wants to let states decide because that is what the Constitution demands. He also wants to lower taxes, drill for oil in the US, take the fight against terror to the enemy, and opposes the UN's efforts to dominate the world.

DAMN HIM FOR THAT!!

Glenn

Liar and Stupid
Obama is not just a liar, he is so stupid he thinks no one notices...How totally pathetic!

Anne Makes a Pragmatic Point:

"I wonder if it ever occurred to Marxist Obama that had Roe -v- Wade had been law in 1961, that perhaps he might not have been......"
----------------------------------------------

Ironically, Obama could not imagine a World without him in it.

We must 'Receive Empathy' from our parents during childhood, or we will (almost) never be able to show empathy as adults.

Sadly, I do know what the Pro-choice folks missed from Mom and Dad...

very sadly.






The truth is not in him…

We can count on modern liberals to get it wrong when it comes to law because they have no basis for law. The sanctity of life, liberty and property originate in revealed truth because men suppress the truth written in their conscience. Those opposed to revealed truth will oppose lawful execution of capital criminals while advocating for the unlawful murder of unborn citizens.

The commandment is, “Thou shalt not commit murder”, or in the positive sense, “Thou shalt preserve life”. Self defense and national security are necessary remedies for the protection of life. In a fallen world with most men blinded under the power of darkness we expect to have opportunity to resist evil.

Obama is consistent in his view of abortion. If the unborn are not citizens because they are unwanted, then it doesn’t matter if they are born alive. They are still unwanted and therefore the state has no responsibility under his view to protect their life. He doesn’t understand that this position exposes him as a liar as defined by the New Testament…

Jesus gives us a good standard of measure whether men love Him or not…“If you love Me, keep My commandments” [John 14:15].

Jesus had something to say of those who openly disdain His commandments…”I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” [Matthew 7:23]

This statement is given in the context of those who profess the name of Christ, but are not known by Him. [Matthew 7:21-23]

The apostle gives us good commentary on these words of Jesus…’He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him’ [1 John 2:4].

Civil government is instituted among men to secure first of all the life of its citizens. When the government fails to do this it is unlawful according to our own Declaration of Independence. Now do we want a President and political party in power that is wrong on the primary role of government?

Scott: You're welcome! :-)

And, thank you... I appreciate your comment.


Anne - Excellent post Anne, thank you!


Anne wrote (8/17/08 - 8:46pm):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"And, for Christians, this is critical!!!

We're NOT only talking about the viability of a baby in the womb, we're also talking about a SOUL that God created.

"I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb." Jeremiah 1:5

Matthew 10:30 says, "Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted."

and

Luke 12:7 says, "But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows."

Those who are not Christians, and are not schooled in Christianity, would not understand that these babies, are NOT just an accumulation of growing cells. These are SOULS whom God has created, and to murder these souls is a sin.

I find it unconscionable that anyone who claims to be a Christian, doesn't understand this."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Excellent post Anne, thank you!


It matters because?
Why should he know about the abortion rate in order to be president?

Where does the Constitution give the president the power to regulate abortions?

This from people who supported a president who invaded a country not knowing what ethnic and religious minorities it contained and how they felt about each other.

THAT'S the kind of stuff a president should know. Not how many women are terminating pregnancies.


Gestell’s “biography” statement says:


Gestell’s bio says: “I'm a liberal academic in Massachusetts who's interested in conservatism. I spend much more time reading conservative journals, blogs, etc than I do liberal ones.”


Why? Because dissenting opinions are deleted from the Leftist forums, and the offending parties banned?


~~~


Gestell’s bio says: “There is need for a responsible liberal opposition, but I find many of my fellow liberals irresponsible.”


How do you think you distinguish yourself from your fellow liberals in this regard?!?


~~~


Gestell’s bio says: “I will try to engage in reasonable political argument and raise questions I think conservatives should consider.”


You mean by saying things like “now's the time for conservatives to get to work rounding up all those women who've had abortions, and their evil healthcare providers too, so they can be properly tried and punished for their sins. While you guys are at it, don't forget to throw your Catholic friends a bone and get around to banning all forms of birth control. You know in your heart what God wants from you.”?


No “questions”, just vitriol... is this “reasonable political argument”, Gestell?


~~~


Gestell’s bio says: “I also think a lot of conservatives don't understand their own principles and arguments particularly well.”


That’s the kind of elitist arrogance I expect from a Leftist academic...


~~~


Gestell’s bio says: “Unlike many liberals, I consider myself both a Christian and a patriot,”


You are free to consider yourself whatever you like, but that don’t necessarily make it so, Gestell.

“For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.” (2 Cor 10:18, KJV)


~~~


Gestell’s bio says: “…and disagree deeply with conservatives who think such beliefs are not possible for liberals.”


Any disagreements you have about whether you are a Christian are not with conservatives, they are with God and His Word.


halDoofus spits: "Folks go home, .......

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... Drinking again, are you???

So, are you going to answer my question or are you going to run away like a COWARD again???

What about all those vile, reprehensible posts denigrating our troops on Huffy? You know, Huffy.. the sick, disgusting, demented lunatic site that YOU write for....

What DO you have to say about that????


Why and Why?
Why is Obama lying so much? Why is Rick Warren, a "religeous leader" conducting an interview he should not be doing and is not qualified to do?

YAWN
Folks go home it is over

Did he LIE in Church?
Surely not!

Surely this isn't the behavior one would expect from a "new kind of politician". ;-)

IGNORANCE AND LIES WE CAN BELIEVE IN
All that can be expected from B.O. are LIES. LIES for the purpose of deception, LIES to cover up his lack of commitment to a stance, or LIES simply to expedite his lousy grasp on relevant issues beyond scripted replies in the absence of teleprompters.

What America saw here is relevant and tell-tale of the remaining days until election day. Rick Warren did American voters an excellent service.

For the American economy in particular, B.O. truly has no solutions. With no incentives, and only penalties, it's more obvious by the day that this B.O. 'CHANGE' is a real slap in the face.

Combined marital incomes, over a certain amount, is detrimental to concientious, and motivated Americans. B.O.'s plan offers no 'HOPE' for achievers, much to the benefit of slackers and freeloaders.

Even the fawning sycophantic lemmings who changed their names to Hussein are not exempt from his craptacular nonesense.

America is a great place to live because of what it has offered to everyone. Barack and Michele live the high life, because of it, as well as Jeremiah the hypocrite.

B.O. has shown, early on, that he is not equipped to lead the U.S.

This fair interview format is relevant and is just another show of what a flippant, obvious, lying scumbag he is.

This B.O. is not only going to lose the election, but will do so in grand fashion by a landslide.

GOD BLESS AMERICA! McCAIN 2008!

McCain weak stances
Have you notice that whenever McCain does not want to give his true feelings about a subject he falls back on giving the states the responsiblity.

1) Abortion he says he is against it but he never says that he will appoint judges that are opposed to it nor will he push for a ban

2) Gay marriage he says it should be up to the states accept in his state. If his state votes for then he will try and instute a ban. What about the other states.

3) Offshore drilling. Drill here Drill now but he wants it to be the states decision. The problem with that is without the Congress and POTUS pushing through legislation states will never get drilling through the courts in the near future. Just a simple fact often neglected by the GOP when they are pandering.

Doc Liberty:
"Don't know if it's occurred to BHO, but as someone placed for adoption at birth pre-RvW, it's certainly occurred to me."

Glad you're around Doc.

Methusela: Excellent! :-)
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ChrisR: You are absolutely right!

And, for Christians, this is critical!!!

We're NOT only talking about the viability of a baby in the womb, we're also talking about a SOUL that God created.

"I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb." Jeremiah 1:5

Matthew 10:30 says, "Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted."

and

Luke 12:7 says, "But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: you are of more value than many sparrows."

Those who are not Christians, and are not schooled in Christianity, would not understand that these babies, are NOT just an accumulation of growing cells. These are SOULS whom God has created, and to murder these souls is a sin.

I find it unconscionable that anyone who claims to be a Christian, doesn't understand this.



Ex-pat in Geneva (home!)
"Unless Cheney decides to "liberate" Georgia, this election will be about the economy -- beginning, middle and end."

I think you have a point, except the ridiculous Cheney bash.
So, since this election will be about the economy, you're saying John McCain is the clear winner. I agree.
And since we're bashing politicians that matter the most, damn that Woodrow Wilson for imposing income taxes on us!

Wouldn't One Want to Err on Caution
Even if one was not sure when life begins would he not want to err on the side of caution? A false negative, i.e., you think that the fetus is not alive when in truth it is alive and the result decision to abort is murder.

In truth, it is murder either way.

What is the sacred cow here? Answer. Self guised as a "woman's right to choose." In Obama's mind the woman's "right" to murder trumps any and all rights of a child,even in the event of a botched abortion.

Why are the American Neo-pagans so enthralled with Obama he is singing praises to their goddess of selfishness.

What should be utterly abhorrent to Americans has been reduce to philosophical banter. While we abhor the Holocaust, we Americans may have become as a nation more evil than Nazi Germany.


bvbut in tb.

Reply to Anne
"I wonder if it ever occurred to Marxist Obama that had Roe -v- Wade had been law in 1961, that perhaps he might not have been......"

Don't know if it's occurred to BHO, but as someone placed for adoption at birth pre-RvW, it's certainly occurred to me.

So, here's my hypothetical questions!

Marxist Obama was born 1961, and not exactly planned. Both parent were college students.

Roe -v- Wade wasn't passed until January 1973.

I wonder if it ever occurred to Marxist Obama that had Roe -v- Wade had been law in 1961, that perhaps he might not have been......


And during his "interview" with Warren, he quoted Matthew 25:40, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." (King James) with regard to the disadvantaged.

While Marxist Obama "claims" to be a Christian, I find it curious that he doesn't see the innocent unborn babies among the "least" with no one to speak for them.







Gestall...
Were you so vehement and offended when these guys spoke to La Raza to get the mexican vote? Do Mexicans count? How about the Jews? Are they citizens who deserve their voices heard too? What about when they speak to the VA or American Legion? Are any of these people US citizens who deserve to hear candidates speak?

Your agenda and bias is obvious Gestall. Grow up - your mad becasue your boy Barry was exposed.

McCain Clear Winner
Notice how the Obama supporters are trying to change the subject: the pastor is a hambone, the debate shouldn't have been held in a church, Right to Life is lying about his voting record, at least he's not a warmonger, blah, blah, blah.

It was pretty obvious to most of us that McCain won the debate, hands-down. I expect McCain to spank Obama during the couple of debates Obama managed to agree-to. Coward can't debate or dialogue with McCain one-on-one, mano a mano. I'd like to see a live debate between the two men.

Ex-pat in Geneva
In fact, it is you who are irrelevant. Any venue that helps us to see the real personalities of the candidates is both relevant and important. As Kevin McCullough has pointed out, this brief encounter adds to the revelation that Obama is an ignorant scumbag. I'd say that is worth its weight in economy or Georgia.

Above my pay grade, he said..
then later on, on the subject of poverty, proceeded to quote Matthew - "Whatsoever you do unto the least of these, so you do unto me."

Is he so stupid that he couldn't connect what he said with abortion?
I don't know if he was just trying to straddle the fence, or he really has no moral stances - purely amoral. I can't imagine that someone cannot state what he or she thinks is right and wrong, even Muslim terrorists take a moral stand though it is wrong. Perhaps it is purely political fence-sitting.

There will always be people like Gestell
...but despite his misrepresentation of conservative Christians as looking to elect a "Pastor-in-Chief," the truth is that our difference is one of worldview.

I believe that how the candidates view God is the most important thing about them. It affects how they see themselves and other people and whether their decisions are made based on principle or political expediency. You simply cannot seperate a man's faith from his decision-making process.

Ex-pat in Geneva
Hooooo...everybody run because ex-pat has dropped the boogeyman Cheney!!!

Got anymore conspiracy theories for us to laugh at?

Gestell and All...
...who would try to minimize this...

...go ahead...suggest what you have (realizing you're being absurd to try and make the WRONG point)...

...the point in this case isn't the issue of abortion or birth control...the point is the issue of Obama's character...

Just answer one question Gestell
What is more valued in our founding documents than the right for a human being to LIVE?

You make it sound like its not relevant - and yet it is the foundation that America has been built upon.

In fact Gestel - let me ask you - name one thing you value more than YOUR OWN life?

I can think of a handful - but not many...

Safety for my family,
Freedom for my nation,

But aside from that I pretty much think - life - is the thing I value most...

Go ahead Gestel and lie - and claim you don't as well...

I dare you!

My bad
My bad. Here I've been thinking for a while that we were going to vote for someone to be President of the United States. Silly me. I'd forgotten that we're really voting for Pastor-in-Chief of the United States. Now I know why both candidates have to pass muster with God's own people. I sugggest that conservatives start to work on a constitutional amendment to change the title of the top office. Maybe to Pastor-General or something like it.

Also, now's the time for conservatives to get to work rounding up all those women who've had abortions, and their evil healthcare providers too, so they can be properly tried and punished for their sins. While you guys are at it, don't forget to throw your Catholic friends a bone and get around to banning all forms of birth control. You know in your heart what God wants from you.

Ex-pat in Geneva writes: Irrelevant?

Hardly!

In fact, to many Americans this is JUST AS IMPORTANT as Georgia and the economy...


Candidates
one knows who he is, shoots from the hip, knows the answers because they come from deep inside, his personal and political experience give him depth of character> He has thought every possible scenario over many times, made his decisions and moves forward. He has a soul and he has, does and will put his country above everything else in life.
The other candidate - Barack Obama - needs to figure out who he is first, then what is important to him and why he feels being a socialist will work for him - but most of all he has to know - figure out - Americans are not morons.

A minor correction
Sorry Mr. McCullough, nothing is "too radical and immoral for Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, and Dianne Feinstein to support." Some things, however, are occasionally too radical and immoral for them to be seen as supporting.

Obama make booboo
Obama agreed to this forum with Pastor Rick after eschewing townhall meetings with JMac -- Unreal that he actually used the words "above my paygrade" regarding abortion -- To top it all off, Hillary`s name will be put in nomination at the convention next week -- Anything can happen between now and November but DON`T ELECT THIS DOLT!! --

Big mistake
We should absolutely keep the "community organizer" away from having to make decisions above his current pay grade. What a terrible blunder on his part.

Kevin has it right
At some level Obama is lying about when life begins. If he does not know that it begins at conception he is a dolt. If he knows it and lies to provide moral cover for abortion he is worse than a dolt; he is a public, flagrant liar. Either way this superficial, venal man is unqualified to be President of the United States. Yet over ninety percent of blacks will vote for him. Racism is alive in America and its color is black.

Irrelevant.
This entire discussion is irrelevant.

Unless Cheney decides to "liberate" Georgia, this election will be about the economy -- beginning, middle and end.

Social issues -- abortion, gays, God -- are going to be a single-digit factor.

Last night changed nothing.

I'm Joe, Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Right:
Craptacular.

I'm going to have to add that word to my vocabulary. It's a long way till November, and I have the feeling this word will come in very handy for many, many comments we'll be hearing from the Obama campaign. Desperation is sinking in, and you never know what's around the corner.


Obama's Craptacular Answer
When asked "At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?," McCain answered "At the moment of conception." Obama's answer here was flaming-dirigible bad:

Whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade...


But what bowls me over about how craptacular his answer here is, did no one on his campaign ever anticipate that he would have to talk about abortion, such that he could come up with a better answer than this? Surely they would have had to expect it at this forum in particular.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGIwYmQwNjVlNDAwYj RlOGFkOGViMzdhYTgwMjg3MDg

Computerized Transcripts from Last Night
I have posted the entire computerized transcripts from the Saddlebrook Obama - McCain debate last night on my blog.

From the blog you can EMAIL yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

From the blog you can PRINT yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

To access these transcripts just click on my name on this post.

You may also access these transcripts at:
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