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Wednesday, November 05, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Who Will Run America?
by John Stossel
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Some of you think you went to the polls yesterday to pick someone to run America.

"Who do you want to have run this country?" Chris Matthews asked repeatedly on MSNBC.

"One of these guys is going to be running the country," said Michael Goodwin of the New York Daily News.

Really? Run the country?

"That has to be a joke -- or a misunderstanding," said George Mason University economist Walter Williams on my recent TV special, "John Stossel's Politically Incorrect Guide to Politics".

Williams pointed out that the White House doesn't govern what happens in your house. And a president certainly cannot control the economy. We, all of us, run the country.

"Politicians have immense power to do harm to the economy. But they have very little power to do good," Williams says.

The failure to understand this is at the root of many of our problems.

"Most of life is outside the government sector," says David Boaz of the Cato Institute. "Most change in America doesn't come from politicians. It comes from people inventing things and creating. The telephone, the telegraph, the computer, all those things didn't come from government. Our world is going to get better and better, as long as we keep the politicians from screwing it up."

It's easy to find examples of government screwing up what it should have left alone.

Take farming. Every year politicians promise to save the family farm, and this year, Congress passed another $300-billion farm bill. More subsidies after generations of subsidies. John McCain opposed the bill, saying that it will "do more harm than good." But Barack Obama and most of Congress supported it.

"Small farms are important," Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat from Texas, told me.

"I don't think we want anybody in this country to starve," Rep. Randy Kuhl, a Republican from New York, added.

People would starve?

"They go out of business, and then they'd be forced to move elsewhere and find different jobs," Kuhl replied.

That's not starving. That's finding a different job.

"But if they don't have a job, then they're going to starve."

Please.

He and others in Congress also claim that subsidies "insure a food supply for this nation."

That's more nonsense.

It's the free market that "insures" the food supply. You may not know that most farmers get no subsidies. Growers of apples, bananas, broccoli, cabbage, cantaloupe, carrots, cauliflower, grapes, lemons, limes, lettuce, onions, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapples, potatoes, spinach, squash, tangerines, tomatoes and dozens of other crops are on their own. There's no cabbage crisis or pineapple panic.

The farm bill doesn't even keep its other promise: saving family farms.

It's why although Nebraska corn farmer Mike Korth received about half a million dollars in subsidies, he's still against the farm bill. "We sold this on the fact that this is helping the family farmer and the small beginning farmer. It's not. It's hurting them."

That's because most subsidies go to those that are best at manipulating government: the agribusiness giants. Small farms can't compete.

A Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City study found that the more farm aid a county gets, the more likely it is to lose population.

So not only do farm subsidies cost every taxpayer $550 per year, they also raise food prices by paying farmers not to grow certain crops. Other crops are subsidized and exported, destroying the livelihoods of poor farmers in the Third World.

"This is just a crazy system," said the Cato Institute's David Boaz (www.cato.org). "It's left over from the 1930s, left over from the Depression. And it's a great example of how nothing is as permanent as a temporary government program."

Of course, without subsidies, some farms would go out of business. That's OK, says Walter Williams. It's the creative destruction that makes America strong.

"The guy who delivered ice to my house, he doesn't have a job because we have refrigerators. We're better off. We would have been held back if we had tried to save his job."

I said to Congresswoman Jackson Lee, "If this works so well, why don't we just subsidize everything?"

Her answer? "You don't want to push us."

How frightening is that?

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My USA is Fading to White

Under the rule of King Obama and his royal family, we true conservatives will witness the progression from Star Spangled Banner to the white flag of surrender and appeasement. We will be there when the National Security Force comes for our guns and homes in the name of the State. We will die defending the Constitution as written with the blood of our forefathers in the aftermath of the King’s broad confiscation, taxation and censorship of any opposing view. We will watch as our country sinks under the waves of stifled innovation, retarded growth and stagflation. Our monetary system will become even more of a joke on itself and the net worth of most Americans will be nothing because all will be the state’s property and permission to live there will only be given to supporters of the socialist manifesto as prescribed by Princess Nancy and Prince Harry. The socialist government redistributors will then step in and rule every aspect of your lives. This is the scary vision of the future under the rule of King Obama and his royal court. Now I understand that old Che slogan that every liberal loves to quote, “One man’s Terrorist is another man’s Freedom Fighter.” In these times we may get to see that being said by conservatives very soon.
2012 may not come soon enough to stop the juggernaught of change we don't want.

2012 Conservative Resistance Movement
NEW GOODIES FROM HITLER'S BROTHER OBAMA:

Obama Planning U.S. Trials for Guantanamo Detainees
http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/obamaterrorists/#com ment-6408

Oh yah, between THIS and the new ABORTION plan he announced today (that abortions overseas will be funded by Americans); AND that he wants to do hideous experiments on LIVE EMBRYO’S CREATED IN A LABORATORY, not discarded ones [as if THAT is really any better]
http://ironmill.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/obama-executive-or ders-will-fund-abortion-embryonic-stem-cell-research/

…and the new OBAMA NATIONAL HOLIDAY they’ve got in the works: http://special.cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.s html

IT’S ON!

I WILL not and REFUSE to claim this MONSTER as president, my president.

and not one DIME of mine will go to his ghetto pet projects to spread the wealth around NOR the horrific lab experiments on human life.

if he wants to pay for this stuff, let him get it from the poor he’s always talking about. I’D TAKE DEATH before I’d submit to that monster.

I DON’T EVEN SUPPORT DOING THOSE ABOMINATIONS ON ANIMALS, LET ALONE HUMAN BEINGS.

There is no question this monster is the antiChrist, move over Hitler, YOUR BROTHER OBAMA IS HERE.

The prayers of the saints have risen up into the face of God Himself.

And the wife? i te watcha!!!! Monster #2.

AND HE WASN'T EVEN BORN IN AMERICA!

JOIN 2012 CONSERVATIVE RESISTANCE MOVEMENT
http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/%E2%80%A2-20 12-conservative-resistance-movement-1-we-do-not-acknowledge -barack-husein-obama-as-president/

Not ready for prime time
That crack on Nancy Reagan in his first real appearance of taking "questions" before the adoring press corps was astounding in its ability to show the greenest of rookies acting as though he is still in one of his high school drug-induced coma like trances. A sad, sad effort but one that will not get much better in time because this guy is just not ready. His lack of respect for the president for 2 years will have cost him immeasurably by the time he assumes the role.

Too bad for you lefty
I know that none of those who rail against the war were among the 80 percent plus who were for the war before the media and liberals started railing against it. But listen! Whethet or not you agree with what got us here, we are here, and your incessant whining is tiresome, and totally unproductive. Suppose you tell us a better way to get out without the wholesale slaughter of freedom loving people. Yes it is true, they may be arabs, but they are people nonetheless! they deserve freedom as much as you or I or anybody!
Man up, and realize it is not about you, but about freedom!

Correction

For the benefit of Ken, Mr. Franklin's reply was actually, "A Republic, if you can keep it." There is a big difference between a republic and a democracy, and we haven't been doing a good job of keeping the republic.

F1etch
I agree with you F1etch...

come on koolmuse....
time to tell me i'm overpaid and deserve to die over here in iraq....while you are at it tell me how many babies i've killed....oh and that the only reason i'm over here is because i'm hopelessly stupid and couldn't get a real job...or that i'm here for the money....come on "kool" you are so smart please tell me what a horrible person i am.

Clarification
"Please do not repeat the factually-wrong nonsense that [THE INVASION OF] Iraq violated either treaty or American law.

The Congressional authorization of force met the constitutional declaration of war standard (see Thomas Jefferson's comments on the reluctance of politicians to use the term "war"). And under international law, a response to the violation of treaties is not an initiation of hostilities. As the US was a signatory to the Iraqi cease fire, the threshold of legality was met. It makes no difference what the UN decided in that regard. [This is not an endorsement of the invasion by any means - merely a clarification of the frequently mischaracterized legal status of the invasion.]

Addressing More Liberal Stupidity - 3
“If that was true than the Taliban gone would = al-Qaida gone.”

Again, is it your intention to make nothing but obviously absurd statements. My ISP provider allows me to respond to your drivel. By your logic, if I die, the ISP collapses.

“The Taliban had no more control of Bin laden than you do.”

Bin Laden forged an alliance between the Taliban and his Al-Qaeda organization and al-Qaeda-trained fighters known as the 055 Brigade were integrated with the Taliban army between 1997 and 2001 The Taliban openly protected bin Laden in 2001. It takes about 12 seconds on the internet to find that universally accepted information.

“It was a big smelly crock…”

There is really no need to self-describe your posts. We can figure that out for ourselves.

The Bush family and friends … wanted to build a pipeline across Afghanistan…”

I see. So it is now your intention to spout conspiracy theories that didn’t survive 30 seconds of scrutiny even when they initially came out. Gotcha.

Facts to socialists – like holy water to vampires.

Addressing More Liberal Stupidity - 2
“Using USA taxpayer money and the American defense military to invade Iraq and attempt to gain control of their mineral resources and then making a profit (for EXXON alone) of $27 billion dollars the year that the world falls into recession is brigand capitalism.”

Because, of course, every dollar of oil is coming here (actually, the latest complaint by liberals is that we HAVEN’T confiscated the oil to pay for the invasion. Exxon’s profits are completely unrelated to the invasion. More importantly, Exxon’s profit margins have been DOWN. Only the amazingly uneducated look at raw profits without taking into consideration the investment needed to achieve them. If you earn $100 on an investment in one year and the next year you make $200, your profits have doubled, but if you had to invest $1000 in year one (10% return) and $20,000 in year two (1% return) you are worse off. That’s what happens in an environment when raw material costs (raw oil prices) are skyrocketing.

“The American oil companies should be nationalized.”

That’s called brigand socialism and, again, it has been an enormous failure everywhere it has ever been tried.

Addressing More Liberal Stupidity - 1
“Europe disarmed after WWII…”

On what planet, ‘cause it certainly wasn’t earth. Military outlays after WWII fell comparably in Europe and the US (except where such spending was prohibited in the Axis nations. BTW, you were aware, were you not, that the economic recovery of countries in Europe was, on balance, inversely proportional to the level of aid received under the Marshall Plan. Welfare doesn’t work even a the country level.

“Then like Vietnam 20yrs later…”

First troops sent by JFK, massive ramp up after Gulf of Tonkin phoniness by Johnson, troops withdrawn by Nixon. Yeah, Republicans are always such war mongers.

“…when there is no credible threat to the USA and never has been since 1945.”

I’ll be sure to bill you for that new lease in the World Trade Center. Your assessment of history is so at odds with reality, one must wonder if you have ever read anything more taxing than “See Spot Run”.

”In fact the USA is the biggest threat to peace in the world today. Easily.”

Because, of course, the world has been so peaceful in the last 60 years except where the US has started something. Again, is it your objective to make liberals look so foolish? Are you really a conservative engaging in satire?

”The USSR defeated the Nazis, not the USA or Britain.”

See prior comments. No one with two brain cells to rub together believes this. If anything, the US entry forced the Nazis to didn’t a two front war that they could not win.

”The USA are invaders and breakers of treaties and breachers of the law and peace...exploiters of other countries, people and their resources.”

Please do not repeat the factually-wrong nonsense that Iraq violated either treaty or American law.

Koolmuse...hopeless/hapless
Myk
Thank you for your educated responses to this lunatic...It's obvious that this deranged fool hates America as much as Obama does. I just want to know why he doesn't get out of my country since it is the cause of all of the evils in the world? He/she/it needs to go live in squalor in a 3rd world country ruled by as big an idiot as we will now be subject to in Obama.

Farm story
This is a good post. I am still reeling as to why if the republicans know these things, why did they not rally around their party now. We lost with less than 10,000,000. Well placed it would have made a altering difference in the electoral votes. Wow.
I am blown away. Sparklestheclown (youtube)
GammySparkles CNN ireport
Weighing my next video.

Koolmuse . . . hopeless

Tell me something . . .

Are you a military strategist? Do you have a degree in Asian and Mediterranean history?
I do, and I can tell you, categorically, that it is incomprehensible how even anyone on the Left can be as naive and tunnel-visioned as you. It would take an entire new book to explain, in detail, the obstinate, blind and dogmatic fallacies and nonsense you are spewing about the Taliban and the aftermath of WWII.
30 years ago, I was an arrogant young Trotskyist spouting the same slogans and the same dogmatism as I read from you. Fortunately, I received some real experience of the world. I've been to Marxist societies. I've seen their horrors. I've been to East Germany under the rule of its former regime. Do you know nothing of Stalin? The threat to western Europe was REAL. The threat to West Berlin was REAL. The government of France after WWII was saturated with Soviet agents. Read the histories of the student rebellions of 1968 in France. Do you only receive your information from Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky?
The Taliban gave al-Qaida BASES in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden consulted with Mullah Omar on a regular basis. You can even read European intelligence reports to verify this . . . al-Qaida was ENTRENCHED in Afghanistan. They are still operating WITH the Taliban remnants. Even the Soviets had previously wanted a pipeline to the Indian Ocean, when they were trying to subdue Afghanistan. Do you know anything about Deobandi Islam? The U.S. foolishly gave the Taliban over $40 million in aid only a few months BEFORE 9/11. The Taliban did NOT use it for economic development. They DEFENDED the 9/11 attacks.
I am not a fan of Bush, but for God's sake, as a former Marxist myself, I am asking you to expand your horizons and study something other than Marxist propaganda.

Oil companies nationalized?
Is that you, Maxine Waters?
OOOH Bush is so evil..big smelly crock,the money changer,the devil, He lost the war, he caused the war, he made me fall down and get a boo boo too, blah, blah, blah.
The rantings are boorish. It wouldn't be so sickening if people actually knew what they were talking about. I just love it when people think they know everything about the war, Bush, oil companies and the military, etc.
and what about the drama: ("But, Bin Laden was never the motive".... like you know) Get a life.


F1etch . . .

You are a good comrade in the world of ideas and what should be COMMON sense.


. . . hoping we can all keep up the good fight in defense of individual liberty and against the creeping nanny-state.

Thanks,

Myk in Oregon

An open message to all conservative,...
... God-fearing people who love this country, and who are feeling like people without a country right now:

We should not waste any time with finger-pointing and the old blame game. Our number-one duty right now and for the next four years can be summed up in one word: SURVIVAL.

We must be strong and stand tall, stay alive and stay on our feet for the next forty-eight months. We must prepare to say NO whenever the Dems talk about furthering their agenda... LOUDLY AND VIGOROUSLY! And if by chance Mr. Obama DOES have some kind of secret army stashed away someplace and threatens to use it, we need to show that we're bigger than they are!

Let Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank and the goons do their worst! We'll show them that we can outlast them... and ultimately vote them off the island!

Koolmuse . . . .

In the classical libertarian sense of the word, I am a conservative. I give money DIRECTLY to several charities. I do not even list those donations on my tax returns. I do not claim them for tax purposes.
Obama and Senator Dodd were the largest recipients of campaign donations from Fannie Mae. They fought AGAINST stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac when John McCain was advocating MORE oversight 2 years ago. Barney Frank's boyfriend was also ONE of the top executives at Fannie Mae. The main chief, the corrupt Mr. Raines, who Obama defended, walked away with millions after driving his company into the ground.
The Taliban allowed al-Qaida to operate from Afghan soil. THAT is why they were invaded, not because of Michael Moore's conspiracy theories about pipelines. The widows you spoke of were also widows of Taliban and al-Qaida fanatics . . . the same Taliban which prohibited girls from being educated . . . many of whom are now going on to professional and university opportunities.
Where, in God's name, did you ever get the idea that Abraham Lincoln was an atheist? What kind of revisionist histories have you been reading? I have a very large personal library, with a number of serious scholarly tomes about Lincoln. He most certainly was NOT an atheist.
Modern welfare-state "liberalism" bears no relationship to the classical libertarian philosophies of Thoreau, Madison, Franklin and Lincoln . . . the same Lincoln who suspended habeas corpus and imposed censorship when he felt it was necessary to fight the war and preserve the Union.

Nice try
"America widowed thousands of Afghanistan's women."

And, of course, they preferred to be kept in bondage, right? The Afghans remain overwhelmingly pleased with the ouster of the Taliban regime.

"The pursuit of self-interests must be policed and regulated by the government, or people abuse others..."

Certainly, laws prevent people from directly harming one another but that is not the norm in ordered society.

"...which is exactly, precisely what led to the recent economic collapse."

I am not responsible for your inability to do even the most basic economic research. The market operated without difficulty until the market signals were distorted by the Fed and by Fannie and Freddie. It was those distortions that created a market for loans that were not otherwise viable. Only a blithering idiot believes that ultimate lenders deliberately underwrote loans that could not be repaid. That would mean that they knowingly acted AGAINST their own interests.

"There is capitalism and there is brigand capitalism. There is a difference."

Absolutely. The former exists; the latter is a delusion of the uneducated.

Koolmuse . . . .

"Weird definition of 'conservative'"?
The historical figures and authors that I mentioned are the EMBODIMENT of TRUE conservative values.
Yes, the BUSH administration has been incompetent in many areas . . . including its lack of planning for the aftermath of the fall of the former Baathist regime. Yes, many mistakes were made. What does that have to do with the true conservative values of limited government, de-centralized power, individual liberty, appreciation for creative private entrepreneurship that is NOT subsidized or "bailed-out" by the state, and recognition of the wealth-building energy encouraged by true free-markets? Bush is NOT a conservative.
I have a degree in Mediterranean history and the legacy of the Ottoman Empire. I know the history of the Middle East. The issues of Iraq are not as morally "black-and-white" as you would like to believe. They are complex and deep-rooted. There is certainly no unanimity of opinion about Americans . . . even in Iraq. Many Kurds begged and pleaded for the U.S. to overthrow the Baathist regime.
I have also lived in Europe. I speak French, and I am fairly familiar with Dutch. A significant part of the reasons why western Europeans have been able to afford their generous welfare systems -- which are now in financial trouble -- is because much of their defense needs have been subsidized for a long time by the United States. If you think you would have more personal liberty and entrepreneurial freedom in Europe, try living in the Netherlands. When I was there, you had to get permission from your city's government just to MOVE. And, just try fighting the bureaucracy to start a business.
In case you haven't heard . . . American troops HAVE been winning in Iraq . . . for at least a year.

Shouting...
...doesn't make you look less foolish.

"ACTING WITHOUT REGARD TO OTHERS IS GREED. ACTING IN THE COMMON INTERESTS IS WHAT MAKES LIFE BEST FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE."

That you have no grasp of reality is not my problem. Self-interest is the primary motivation of all human beings. The guy who works what hours he can to support his family is working in his own interests. Systems built on "common interests" have failed in every case.

"NO. GREED IS: SELFISH DESIRE BEYOND REASON…..WE CALL IT “THE RICH Getting’ RICHER AND THE POOR GETTING’ POORER”. WHICH IS NOT FAIR."

THAT happened during the 70s and 90s. The one time it didn;t happen was in thos "greedy 80s".

I’M TALKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LONG LIST..."

No such "long list" exists outside your warped imagination.

"INVADING AFGHANISTAN…THAT WAS PURE MALICE."

Much to the harm of those Afghan women. Oh, wait, that's just stupid.

"...bearing false witness..."

The fact is not so much as a single statement can be demonstrated to be a lie based on the info known at the time (and I opposed the invasion).

"CONSERVATIVES GIVE TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATIONS..."

Overwhelmingly moderate income conservatives. Your position is factually wrong.

"ARE YOU REFERRING TO LINCOLN?"

No. The abolitionist movement in England and here was almost entirely a Christian one. And your assessment of Lincoln is historically wrong as well.

"I’M TALKING ABOUT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR WAR CRIMES, CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS, TREATY BREAKING…ALL MANNER OF CRIME…AND THE TRIALS AND POSSIBLE CONVICTIONS AND PUNISHMENTS TO FOLLOW."

It is obvious that you have as much grasp of law as you do of history - none at all. No such "crimes" exist.

baseballdoc
"I heard that Michelle wants Obama to replace the Statue of Liberty with a statue of Aunt Jemima holding up a drumstick ...have you heard that rumor?"

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Can't say that I have but I don't hang around KKK meeting halls with jerks as you.

Redeploy farm bill to fund Obama ideas
President-elect Obama - Here's an idea for your new transition team to consider. Stop the ridiculous subsidies of big corporate agriculture (the major recipients of the farm bill) and use that money to subsidize your middle class tax cuts. This will be a much better deal for the family farmer, since most family farms receive no subsidies, but do sell their food to the middle class.

Zena P.
Hi Zena, true enough no one can look God directly in the face and live, however it was a song and I believe Mr. Kaiser was probably taking some creative liberty. That said though Jesus came and walked among us and died to redeem us from our sins. He made the statement that He was one with the Father(God) and He lived to do His will(my paraphrase). The point that I was making is that through Jesus we can know and see God. Only when we see our Creator (in Jesus) and deal with Him honestly can we really deal honestly with "true love" and compassion for others.Please take this in the spirit it is intended. I am certainly no expert in theology. May He richly bless you.

FoolMuse
Don't they have therapy for deranged ignorami such as you?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Obama? Yo MAMA!!!

Zena P . . .

excuse me, but, please explain . . .

exactly WHO are those "U people" you say "did it to yourselves". Please be specific.

Also, exactly WHO is it that "sought to make more slaves by keeping girls barefoot and pregnant"? Exactly WHO is impregnating those slave girls, and where can I buy one? After all, my purchase might help revive the economy.

You say, "The hand of GOD is about to smite thee". Pray tell, exactly WHO is this "thee", and exactly WHEN did GOD tell you, PERSONALLY, that he/she is about to SMITE? I would be fascinated to learn how I too can persuade GOD to give me advanced warning when he/she is about to SMITE. Perhaps I can get a ringside seat.

One last question . . . please . . . exactly WHO are the "greedy selfish" and the "anti-life"? Am I "greedy selfish" because I would actually like to keep the MAJORITY of my earnings . . . instead of having them confiscated by the nanny-state? Am I "anti-life" because I believe in the ABSOLUTE right of self-defense . . . as well as the moral duty of protecting survivors of attempted abortion, instead of leaving them to die on a shelf?
Please . . . enlighten me with your wisdom. Enquiring minds want to know.

Foolmoose (cont.)
"The darkest impulses of the human soul you call virtues. Avarice, selfishness, greed ... jealousy ... covetousness ... thievery"

Understanding that people always act in their own interest is not embracing "greed". Greed describes the desire to take that which you did not earn ... the position that you are advocating.

"...hypocrisy..."

If you can grasp the last line above, then you must admit your own culpability.

"...malice..."

Who again is coming here to pick a fight?

"...vengeance, murder..."

THAT is a bald-faced lie (hardly surprising at this point). And wasn't it Obama that voted against protections for infants who survive the abortion procedure? Yup.

"...bearing false witness..."

See above ... and then revisit "hypocrisy".

"You are evil people."

There's an old saying about the beam in your eye.

"And you have no saving grace, you are totally lacking in generosity, compassion, humanity, love, fairness, friendship, cooperation, diplomac and empathy."

Conservatives give more to charity. Religious conservatives - not modern liberals - abolished slavery (THAT is history). And who, again, is picking fights?

"The American electorate rejects repudiates and shuns you. Like God did to Cain for murdering his brother, you are cast out, exiled from our midst."

That economic ignorance won the day (and that conservatives had low turnout because McCain was such a weak candidate) doesn't change the fact that 48% of the electorate voted AGAINST Obama.

"I just hope you are brought to justice."

Justice is what we are about as opposed to "spreading money around" - the two concepts are diametrically opposed.

Do you get some kind of secret pleasure out of demonstrating such obvious historical ignorance or is it possible for anyone to really be THAT oblivious? Just curious.

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM
ABORTIONIST, DRUG ABUSERS, POVERITY OPPRESSORS, AND THE RADICALS OF THE NANNY STATE PROVIDERS WILL NOT ONLY DESTROY HOUSTON BECAUSE NASA FUNDING WILL BE CUT IN THE NAME OF ENERGY CONSERVATION. DISPITE OBAMA WANTING TO SEND TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN BUT TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES REMEMBER CARTER MILITARY IN IRAN. AUSTIN WE HAVE PROBLEMS TEXAS VOTED FOR McCAIN AND IS CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND OUR THREE LARGEST EMPLOYERS ARE ALL MILITARY BASES. WELFARE INSTEAD OF DEFENSE UNITED STATES WE HAVE PROBLEMS. NEA CONTROLLING EDUCATION INSTEAD OF DEMANTLING THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

U people did it to yourselves
With ur greedy selfishness and anti-life policies and rights you only defended for yourselves and nobody else. You sent good jobs away and brought in scabs to make war on the workers. You sought to make more slaves by keeping girls barefoot and pregnant. You deserve every single thing you're about to receive four-fold and that's according to the bible. You were warned over and over again. You refused to listen. Now, let those who are evil be evil still and those that be good be good still. The hand of GOD is about to smite thee.

Koolmuse . . . .
. . . A word of advice . . .

If you are going to presume to know something about "conservative" principles and values, at least take the time to learn the analytical distinction between TRUE conservative principles and values, and the corporate/statist -- and anti-liberty -- policy monstrosities that have been created and maintained for decades by BOTH the statists of the Left and the statists of the Right. You are being ethically-challenged when you accuse "conservatives" of callousness and cruelty, at the same time you are spewing vitriol at anyone you deem to be a conservative.
George Bush is NOT a conservative. He is a corporate/security state STATIST, just as Obama, Reid and Pelosi are nanny-state welfare STATISTS . . . who want to INCREASE our economic dependency on government . . . in order to secure our votes and their own perpetual re-election.
True generosity is NOT something that can be FORCED. I was a Trotskyist myself, during my mis-spent youth. Fortunately, I came to my senses, and I now recognize that centralized government is NEVER a true friend of individual liberty. There is NO justice in nearly HALF of the rewards of my honest labor being taken by the draconian confiscatory policies of the nanny-state . . . regardless of the excuse.
I see no evidence that you understand what true conservatism really is. The words "Republican" and "conservative" are not always synonymous. If you really want to understand the IDEAS and VALUES of conservatism, read the work of Edmund Burke, James Madison, Henry David Thoreau, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, etc.
Dependency on government is NOT a viable long-term solution for economic woes. The tendency of increasing centralization and/or collectivism . . . toward which free nations are moving . . . is incompatible with democratic values, as well as economic AND political freedom.

William
Have u never read that no one can see GOD'S face and live?

from a friend
Congratulations, America! Hope springs eternal. The world is grateful. You delivered us from evil….not John, who showed great honour in defeat…but the sinister, evil powerbrokers who manipulate the GOP (sic) and have taken American so far from its principled ideals.

Scary, though, that the margin was only 3% in the US. The rest of the world favored Obama by 60 – 80%.

We have cracked the champagne and toast to your health.

An Obama-phile Down Under,

Michael


PS. Australians, like most other nationalities polled, favored Obama by almost 80%. M


Americans enemies
Nope, it's because they are sick of dealing with idiots. Being listed as an axis of evil is not a good first impression.

A German just said it is the reincarnation of the American Dream.

Got an email from Australia I will post.

Time to write letters
I am a registered non-partisan who votes Republican a lot because the Republican candidates reflect my conservative values. I like my political freedom and will vote Alaskan Independence Party or Libertarian or ... whenever I find a conservative candidate in those parties whom I think has a shot at winning. I even occasionally (rarely,increasingly) find a conservative Democrat to vote for.

Whoever is in office, I've always felt comfortable writing to them and demanding they vote the way I want. I take note of how they vote as well. And, when reelection rolls around, if they haven't voted the way I want, I write them and tell them why I'm voting against them.

So, we're stuck with the booby prize right now, folks. We have an inexperienced over-confident too-intelligent-for-the-room president who happens to be black and he's supported (indeed, embraced) by a bunch of lunatic leftists in Congress. Things don't look good and I'm not going to pretend they don't stink. But, I am going to be writing them. Alaska doesn't have so many votes in Congress, so I pray you guys will join me in writing your Congress and our president. Make your voices heard! No, I don't think it will do any good, but when we turn and vote them out of office in 2 years, we can say "We warned you!" Currently, it is the only way the Dems will understand that this election was not a mandate for their agenda. Make them good and scared and afraid to pass their agenda because we're saying "Do it and we'll vote you out." And, remember folks, depending on the state, every communication they get from one of us counts like 25,000 wrote them. Yes, we can leash the Dems, if only by reminding them that they don't stay in office if we don't vote for them.

agri-business
Monsanto, seed companies...

Major peeve here.

Hemp will never be legal to grow here as long as these guys have lobby power. It threatens cotton, corn and forestry. But mostly chemicals.

Americans enemies
America’s enemies are elated with the choice that was made; after all they did endorse him. Why would they be so happy? Could it be because they believe that Obama will dismantle our military the same way Clinton did, so we won’t have a defense as they continue the attack us on American soil? We know liberal are so afraid of confrontation when bad things happen, they are the first ones to get up a run, but they generally need to change their shorts for the excrement they left behind. They have been for decades and those who are in the military now they don’t support Obama, in part because their votes were suppressed to make room for ACORN voters.

They won’t defend our Country for President Obama, they believe he is a phony and they disagree with most of his policies that will be coming down the pipe. I have many friends servicing in the military and the emails I‘ve gotten today, shows they are concerned about the liberal budget and the cuts that will be put into place that may place them in jeopardy and without protection. They won’t be resigning up and some really good, smart leadership will be missed by most Americans. We all should be concerned because we are not safe under an Obama rule.

LIONHEART

.....I heard that Michelle wants Obama to replace the Statue of Liberty with a statue of Aunt Jemima holding up a drumstick ...have you heard that rumor? .....COLOSSUS

LionHeart
Thanks! Appreciate the input.

Judith
Thank you for your comments. I agree that we must first look within and to God. Glenn Kaiser has a song with the line, "If we look God in the face, we can look our neighbor in the eye". He is the Alpha and Omega. God bless you. Bill

Two words
George Soros

Obama is bought and paid for. He has no choice. Isn't it ironic? After all the post-racial talk, it is a rich white man who will be calling the shots. Obama is simply a tool to trick the black masses. Blacks don't even know it, but they are still dependent on a white man, hoping for an occassional crumb. Slavery is live and well.

SunThe1 & Standshisground
"That said, I am praying for him, and hoping for good things to come of his presidency. As they do, I will asknowledge them, just as I will criticise when they don't."

Sun,
Gracias for the positive remarks regarding my post. But even more so, thanks for your prayers for President Obama and I most certainly look forward to future debates with you as we disagree (respectfully, of course) or agree on issues (whether good or bad) concerning his administration.

Stands,
If you like good Soul Food, come to Fort Worth at the following locations:

Madea's Down-Home Cookin' / Soul Food, 1019 West Enon Avenue, Fort Worth

John Carters Place Homestyle Cooking, 5309 E Lancaster Ave, Fort Worth

One requirement: Come hungry because you will be eating a lot!!!

Enjoy your stay in D/FW.



Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee
I will admit that Rep. Lee is the wrong person to talk to about farms. She comes from downtown Houston and only knows gettos. I doubt if she could grow a house plant.

William
I have not forgotten God and I hope that he has not forgotten us. It's time, over these next years, to reassess our lives and how we can help to elect a man or woman who comes as close to being the fine individual that John McCain was and is. He will be difficult to duplicate.

At a time when what movie stars say is more important than someone like Thomas Soul, where what you do with your life does not seem to quantify or qualify what you life is about, and where dishonesty, laziness and thuggery is ignored, we have our work cut out for us. Never forget to look within before you look without.

The Subsidies for Small Farmers
Small farmers not only don't get subsidies - they can't get them. They are meant only to insure that large agri-businesses make profits on ALL their lands. If a small farmer is flooded out, tough luck. I have relatives in this business. They simply hope to get a good year every once in awhile to catch up on their loans.

And the large agri-businesses don't need them. I talked to a man who owned dozens of peach orchards once. "If I get one good year out of five," he told me, "I will make over half a million dollars per year. But with the subsidies, I can get all my costs for the bad years too, so I make even more money."

OBAMA WON WHAT?
Obama won and now I am just wondering how long it will take those who voted for him to start regreting their choice. The Obama who ran for President and moved to the center is not the Real Obama but yet people went out in mass to vote for him. Forget he has no experience in running anything, he has been voted the most liberal. Then I read an article that the day after Obama wins Russia is making threats to jam our electronic missile shields. Should we forget that ACORN was being investigated for voter registration fraud. He paid them 800,000 to their sister org. So Obama is going to destroy this nation and not care. Black Panthers standing guard. THE ENDORESED OBAMA.

Koolmuse,
Hey, I'm out. Going home. Thanks for the fun, seriously, you can dish it out and take it and that is commendable.

Peace. God Bless Us All.

God has not turned his back
I must clarify my last post. I unapologetically think that the US is the greatest nation on Earth. When I say that we have sown to unrighteousness, I mean that so many of us have forgotten God. The moral fiber of our nation has been so eroded by the beliefs of the "Out in left fielders" it is mind boggling. Pornography, gay rights, sexual perversions of all sorts are becoming "norms", persecution of Christians, wanting to take away the freedom of speech of conservatives or I should say, anyone that doesn't agree with them, calling good evil, and evil good. Oh shoot, I need to stop. I don't have the writer's gift but I do know that you reap what you sow and as a nation we have made our choice in Obama. God help us.

Koolmoose,
Work! We just elected Obama! I'm gonna quit my job and let the gubmint pay my healthcare, my children's education and take care of my family CRADLE TO THE GRAVE! You'll see my fat keester get bigger than ever now!

Pass that double whopper YYYYYUUUUMMMY!!

Hello Mr. Strossel. I am a Unionist.
You might think that being a Unionist would be an opening to chastise your view points. It is not because I am a unionist that believes strongly in Capitalism which runs a free market capable of making profits that enhance my ability to gain a fair trade through Union Brotherhood from companies that can share prosperity without being propped up by Government. The only place Government should maintain in the free market is over sights to ensure the consumer ,worker & Capitalist operate under free trade rules. One more interesting point of view that has me in total amazement is the fact that a Man wanting to be President such as Obama wasn't taken to task for commitment to destroying secret ballot in Unions. What's next ? Acorn & Black Panthers or KKK escorting the voter to a polling station because precedent had been established in the loss of Secret ballot in the Union Hall? A point lost in all of this financial hand out governance is the tax is garnished from healthy businesses & individuals to maintain that which is failing. That factor alone has folks putting major American money is in offshore banking community. It is estimated that 13 trillion is buried in off shore accounts. If that money were not taxed so highly , and Government was not seeking such high taxes to support hair brained schemes that undermine free markets the money would be free flowing in North American economy in Capitalist ventures which would make our companies stronger.

Koolmoose,
Were having a keg party Friday after work, you're welcome to come on down and meet us. We're salt of the Earth people....really.

You sound really hot....do you have any pictures of yourself?


Ain't koolmuse a genius?
"And you willingly try to destroy anyone who differs with you, by any means."

It wasn't Republicans standing at the polling doors in Philadelphia brandishing night sticks to intimidate whiteys from voting...you wanna think again about who is willing to use ANY MEANS to DESTROY those whose beliefs differ from them? Racism is alive and well in America and it lives in the black community.


ca' Change, plus,,,,,,,,,,,
So,,,,,America wants a "progressive" Government. Read Socialist. Whilst growing up in England all of these sophomoric sentiments were uttered by Clement Atlee,,,Anaurin Bevin. Michael Foot, Ernie Bevin, etc.
As Harry Truman, "that Little Habadasher( A. Sclesinger,Democrat historian) from Missouri said,,,"the only thing new,,,is the History you don't know"

F1Etch,
great post........"say hello to Mr Rorke & Tattoo......" great stuff!!!!

We're still laughing..........we need more KOOLMUSE pearls of wisdom!

Foolmoose
"You are aggressively hostile to all others."

Which is why we are the ones seeking out people to make insults. Oh, wait a minute...

"You have no humanity."

See above.

"You don't believe in government, which is taxes being dispersed for the public good."

Your economic and historical ignorance is truly amazing.

"You don't believe in the concept of country, which is the people acting in concert."

Actually we do. The concepts of "voluntarism" and "liberty" seem to have escaped you completely, however.

"You don’t believe in democracy."

We believe in republican government maintained by democratic means. A group of men 232 years ago thought it was a pretty good idea.

"You are rigid and uncompromising."

You are projecting.

"You think you are Christians but you hate thy neighbor and reject Jesus' most important teachings."

Nowhere in the Bible is allowance made for collective discharge of charitable and religious obligations. Meanwhile studies show that conservatives give more consistently to charity. We are not the ones here spouting hate. Look in a mirror.

"You covet materials things and money."

We understand that capitalism has been the greatest source of human prosperity (especially for the poor) in all of human history.

"You live by the gun and violence."

We believe in the ability of the individual to protect oneself from violence.

"And you willingly try to destroy anyone who differs with you, by any means."

Say hell to Mr. Rorke and Tattoo while you're there on the island. You have taken a nosedive off the Good Ship Reality.

koolmuse
You made some points but then you went off and sounded too much like those you accuse.

Let God Be The Judge!

KOOLMUSE,
you go girl, keep it up! We are all reading your posts and laughing our big fat REPUBLICAN arses off right now!!!!!!!!

Farm Aid
Folks:
The reason for the farm bill is the 81 "Billion" of pork that went to the Congressmen and Senators. It was for um um um no one seems to know. They all casshed the checks and the money is um um um no one seems to know.

See, all is OK, they spend,you supply it "ALL"!!

Inventor.

Fred in PA.
I sure hope you are wrong too.
Yes, I believe we still live in a democracy.
Have a great day.

Those of you who cast gloom and doom over the Obama presidency before it even begins do not support the fact that U.S.A. is a democracy. This election proves it. The majority ruled.

I am neither a Marxist or a Socialist, nor do I know anyone who is. But as you all well know this is a free country where each of you and other Americans can voice their opinions here on this blog site and elswhere.
On the other hand, you can be a lot more affective if you contact your representatives and let them know how you feel about the issues at hand. With elected officials numbers count. Why? Because you may not re-elect them or their party next time around.
Just ask the lobbyists who hound our reps in Washington over and over to get their way.
God Bless America.

The day the music died
What a sad day for our country. We shouldn't be enirely shocked that Obama won. Our morals have been deteriorating since the '60's. Look at what our movies now show and many t.v. programs should be rated "X" but are shown in prime time. We have lost the values that our country was founded on. I pray that God has mercy on us. We have become a sinful nation. Thankfully, there are the righteous among us, but are they the minority?

Koolmuse,
Oh yeah one more thing, if we conservatives all go to jail we'll all be either let out early, or given probation by liberal do-goody-goody judges.

You can not get rid of us........


Koolmuse,
Wow! You're AMAZING! I am a Republican, you never met me before and you know me inside and out!

I am joining you liberals to SAVE myself!

I want to be TOLERANT and full of LOVE just like you!

Pass the LSD....OOOOPs....er....kool aid!

Signed,
Totally ashamed of myself.

God hasn't turned His back
Hi Jay. Just one thing( maybe I am straining at gnats here :-)). God hasn't turned his back on us. We have turned our backs on Him. You reap what you sow and for so long our country has sown to unrighteousness. God be with us in our time of need. He is still in control no matter what our circumstances. Bill Rittman

Who Will Run America?
Politicians are almost always impediments to the liberties and freedoms of their Nation’s people. Too many being lawyers use legislation to circumvent the intent of the Constitution like low life weasels that they are. They are the least qualified to run the government and when the people speak on an issue they vigorously try to belittle it if it runs counter to their larger, usually nefarious, schemes. Gun control glaringly fits this scenario.

Two words to describe the majority of voters: DUPED DOPES! Our Nation just took a sharp left turn and the Framers of the Constitution just got a slap in the face by grossly ignorant voters. History shows that once a country takes the road we are now on decline is sure, possibly rapid, and direction is almost impossible to reverse.

John
Since we have down everything wrong and only liberal do things right, do you want to catch a glimpse of what is ahead?

First of all relax and stretch as this is going to be quite a journey. Stand naked and proud in front of a mirror making sure that everything is intact.

Then lean down past you testicles and shove your head into you anus. Snap the picture quickly or you may cause a hernia.

Standshisground
Agreed, mostly. I have been checking out some of the left-of-center sites, and though they don't exactly pin the whole thing on Palin (she does get mentioned), it seems pretty clear that much of the vitriol directed at the GOP is due to its deference to the religious right. And since they see Bush, fairly or unfairly, as a minion of the religious right, it amplifies their disdain for him, and, as you suggest, is projected on to the rest of the GOP.

I believe, in no small part because I include myself among them, that many who are fiscally conservative are repelled by the positions held by socially conservative wing of the GOP. I think that until the GOP realizes that including social issues in its national agenda – issues that are more appropriately addressed at the state and local level – it will continue to repel a large potential constituency. Until the GOP focuses solely on creating the most hospitable economic environment possible, it will fail to build the support necessary to create a mandate for real fiscal reform at the national level (i.e. reducing the role and size of the federal government and eliminating entitlements).

I suspect that in the next few years that people will see both the cost of living and taxes go up as the Obama/Dem plan is implemented, and they will eventually realize these guys don't have the magic formula either. They may then be ripe for revisiting the message of fiscal and individual responsibility, so long as it is untainted by reactionary social positions.

And until the GOP makes that change, I will continue to vote Libertarian and support the FairTax.

Jennifer C.
I've seen the young girls in my hometown in northern Michigan have also adopted the parasitic life of welfare.

Up in Cheboygan, it's common to see young girls with multiple piercings and tatoos, and with 1 or 2 little ones in tow, buying junk food with food stamps at the local party store.

The local Walmart has eliminated almost all of the small businesses, and they hire but a small percentage of the town's population - part time at 6 bucks an hour.

As well, the town's only large business, a paper mill, was driven away several years ago by the labor unions who demanded ridiculously grand incomes and bennies.

Two cousins of mine, obviously borne to the shallow end of our family gene pool, are both union electricians who had once worked there. They are still proud that they "closed down the mill through the strength of their union brothers and sisters", even though at one time they had regular, steady incomes and benefits that were adequate.

Now they both have to drive out of state to jobs that last an average of 3 to 8 weeks. They draw state unemployment benefits between assignments; see also, "vacation pay".

My old hometown is basically a welfare-populated dismal place today thanks to unions and the government.

IMHO
What's done is done. But I want to thank those who cast their ballots for this Marxist. My thanks go to the following: The liberal media who brainwashed those Americans who actually believe that it is immoral NOT to vote for a black even if he has no resume and who ignored or minimized his connections to Ayers, Acorn, and other violent people or groups along with George Soros, the communist. We can all be grateful to Reverand Wright with his "God Damn America" attitude. All these along with those Americans who think it's hip to be for an empty suit just because he's black, followed by those Americans who want a bigger piece of the pie because they are either too lazy or too addicted to get a fricken job. And my biggest thanks is to those who feel that The Constitution should not be protected even though it is the corner stone that has helped to keep America strong. You've paved our way into hell. Thanks a bunch.

Well, gee, Lone
I am just shocked -- shocked!

After all, it is so incredibly unusual that News (in the tank for Obama) would conveniently omit the fact that threats against candidates of BOTH parties spike as election day approaches as has been known by pretty much everyone not living in a cave for the last half century.

Who'd have believed it?!?!

Todd or is it Toad?
The unemployment rate in November 1929 was 5.5%. The second Great Depression hasn't started yet. But, when Obama enacts his version of the Smoot -Hawley Tariffs and then institutes labor price controls ("Living Wage","Comparable Worth") and then lays a trillion dollar carbon tax on American industry, you will see the 20% unemployment that you think can't happen again.

just remember people....
when people start saying YES WE CAN:
take more from the makers and give to the takers

tell parents that they have no rights to information about their underage daughters

tell pastors in their pulpits that they can not teach the scripture as written (hate speech don't ya know)

weaken the military to subsidize more takers

limit free speech (once again hate speech....despite the fact that it is protected by the 1st ammendment..)

force you to hire someone less qualified due to the color of their skin or worse what they are supposed to do in the privacy of their own bedroom but seem to feel the need to have a parade for (yay for hetero pride!!!! oh wait...)

i could go on but ehh what is the point of telling people how backwards i am

a disgusted citizen

I'm going "urban" with some of my cash..
Since most blacks in their communities live on an underground economy and use check cashing outlets to hide incomes not reported to their beloved gubmint, I'm going to do the same.

I have a way to not declare some of my income, the old "coffee can in the garage" technique, and will pay cash for many household, fun and electronic purchases not used for business. I've never done this before, but I sure will starting January 1st.

And I'll be looking for my gubmint check after that date. Hussein promised, and we know the brutha wouldn't lie. The parasite life will take some getting used to, however.


IT'S PAYBACK TIME!

Sorry, but Mr. Obama will never be my President unless he fess's up to all the lies he has told to the American people. I can still see and hear the Liberal Goons in the media calling President Bush "Mr. Bush," and hearing Charles Schumer, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer etc. ad naseum, calling him a LIAR on the floor of the US Congress. Disgraceful! And now these nitwits expect us to bow down to their Marxist Messiah? No way! He has LIED to us from Day One. He has LIED about his associations with a gaggle of unsavory Chicago THUGS, anti-American racist preachers, anarchist bombers and flag desecrators, convicted felons, vote tampering knuckle-draggers in ACORN, and the list goes on. He has either LIED or tried to minimize every aspect of these years-long relationships. Mr. Obama would not even be able to pass a Security Clearance and we are suppose to embrace him as our President! Unbelievable! No, it will be "Mr. Obama" and we will be watching his every move for the next 4 years. And we will respond swiftly and in a very loud voice of his attempts to bring his Marxist ideology forward. Pray for our country!

Banana Republic
Welcome to the new America as we witnessed an election stolen by massive voter fraud, racism, truckloads of illegal campaign contributions, a communist hate America MSM and an ignorant lazy hand out needy uneducated liberal populace. To those conservatives, vets, Christians, gun owner, business owners and other traitors that voted for the downfall of our nation, you can go to hell. This should be comforting to you as you'll be there with the Marxist, empty suit, hater Hussein and his American hating terrorist and criminal friends. This election(joke)was an utter disgrace to the principles that our founders held dear.

To the libs who have come here to spill their vitriol, here's back at you,take the now let's all get along theme and shove it. I will do everything in my power to unravel the Hussein rule as should every other real American.

Our country will disappear in the dustbin of history, it was sealed with this hostile takeover of our government. I for one will make sure that before it's all said and done, we make you liberal retards pay a heavy price before your trip to purgatory. To the real patriots I advise you to take cover as the you no what's going to hit the fan real soon.

So SouthPaw Pundit is this enough bitterness and hatred for you. It's something you, lionheart(chickenheart), Eleanor, Dr. Douglas (abortionist I presume)and d your ilk have in common.

But hey, I just want to get along and support the new Communist regime, NOT!


a voice from cornland
Hi friends - I am now two years living in Iowa, the heart of the corn industry, and aside from farming, the economy here is two words: sad and sadder. The welfare generation here is growing, visit any local market and see the twenty year old girls, God love them, with their fatherless children buying ding dongs with food stamps. Tax laws kill any small business, only the large employers here - Rockwell Collins and Aegon, survive. It's as heartbreaking as it is maddening. Stossel's article is right on. Come here and see for yourself.

Congresswoman Lee
Well it appears that Congresswoman Lee would fit in nicely in Cuba, as would our President-elect!

Certaintly no thought is given as to WHERE THE HELL ALL THAT MONEY COMES FROM. But then again, when could Marxists think?

Galltegfa
Undoubtedly the liberal commentariat will be saying that Sarah Palin was a large part of the reason McCain lost. But as you indicated, it's the top of the ticket, not the bottom, that turns voters on or off. Without Palin, I think the landslide would have been even WORSE for McCain.

But the bottom line, ultimately, is this: this election was a referendum on the Bush Administration. And the most attractive vice-presidential candidate wasn't going to be able to overcome Bush's negatives with the American people.

Also, let's face a second hard truth as well: the Republican Party as a whole for the entirety of George Bush's second term hasn't done a creditable job in making a convincing argument to the American people while they should prefer the GOP in power over the Democrats.

People can blame the MSM, ACORN, whatever, all they want for the defeat of the McCain ticket, but the simple fact, this disaster was far too much of the GOP's own making. The one bright spot in the rout is that the Republican Party has to chance now to cleanse itself of its deadwood - which now includes McCain - and get back to being a party with ideas that attract people instead of continuing to be Democratic Lite.

Yes, it's hard to accept that the American people, in effect, have sent the GOP to the penalty box for a minor penalty where it will have to sit and watch for a time the action happening on the ice while it is sidelined. But hopefully, the GOP will come out of the penalty box sufficiently chastened that it will cease to continue to engage in what got it sent there in the first place. Namely a seeming lack of any real animating principles.

Shiela Jackson Lee
is an idiot. Elected by idiots.

Eleanor in NV is only partly right
She suggests that we should spend less time venting here, and more writing to Congress. But, liberals have a low opinion of democracy / of people's ability to govern themselves. Most Democrats will view with disdain any mere citizen who is so uppity as to believe they have the right to speak -- and be heard by -- one of the rulers. (Eleanor still believes she lives in a democracy.)

Eleanor's rebuttal might be; if Congress is so foolish as to ignore us, then at the next election, we will turn them out: Rule by the common citizenry is still enforceable through the ballot box.

I hope she's right, but I fear she's wrong. The left will move swiftly to control information flows through the media. It probably won't take a month for the new Congress to pass a revived Fairness Doctrine to muzzle talk radio. When we flee to the Internet, some excuse will be found to control that. After all, the Chinese do it.

Democrats have already promised lawsuits against broadcasters and publishers who make the error of disagreeing with them. And there is the threat of suspending the license or breaking up the holdings of any media opponent. Eleanor may still get to vote, but only on the basis of what the Left believes she should know.

(She will also likely be voting in a newly redesigned district, engineered to be less than 40% Republican. If we spread the Rep's across districts thinly enough, they won't be able to win any, and their representation in Congress will drop to zero. She may also discover that many new voters -- some illegal -- have been brought onto the rolls to over-power her vote.

Of course, since the Left's economic policies will destroy investment (and thus the economy and employment) our leaders may decide that it unwise to hold elections at all in 2010. (Somewhere between 5% and 20% odds?)

I hope I'm wrong. But there is some chance we've just elected a skinny Hugo Chavez.

Loco LoLo1
Go find a left wing board to write your trash. You stink about as high as the two black panthers threatening people with a night stick.

Caught on tape, too, I might add.

LionHeart
Cordelone, no one who lived through that time will ever forget what those young men were trying to do and how they were needlessly killed.

Obama the great, however, does not have the heart of the lion, Cordelone. He is and will ever be a shape shifter. Unfortunately, when you all finally realize what he is and what he will inject into America, it will probably be too late.

Eleanor et al

I think the answer to your question is quite simple.

Those of us who think knew we were in bad trouble.

Analguous to your position we saw a bad fire and we used a fire extinguisher - you saw the same fire and used gasoline to put it out.

Mr. Stossel...
Now enough of all your solid reasoning and common sense. The government doesn't operate that way so "shame on you"!

You'll never become president with your mature and honest grasp of economics.

Who will run the country? Why, it will be the courts, hussein obama, the dems, and the ACLU!

Silly man.

LOLO
I don't need your pity. I believe it is you who lack education, honesty and plain old common sense.
It took eight years to get this country into the economic crisis we are in today.

The Democrats have had the majority for less than two years. The $700 billion bailout was created by Bush and Paulson. The proposed "tax stimulus check" is another Bush/Paulson concept.

You need to get honest.

Now that OBlahBlah won, will everybody
PLEASE stop repeating the lie that he is attractive and articulate?

He looks like Alfred E. Newman's half brother, and stammers constantly when he speaks. Besides the fact that it makes him sound like a dolt, it makes me grit my teeth listening to him trying to get a though out of his pie hole.

The only time (besides when he is reading from a teleprompter) that OBlahBlah doesn't stammer is when he is telling a well-rehearsed lie. BTW, this is his "tell." When he is lying, he gets very calm and stops stammering. Pretty scary, doncha think?

If John McCain had been as gracious to
his fellow Republicans and especially to Donald Rumsfeld, as he was last night to OBlahBlah, he might have gotten enough votes to win.

There are a lot of conservatives that never forgot McCain's scolding us over the stand we took about closing the boarder.

There are those of us who didn't forget his working with the Senior Blowhard from Massachusetts or his participation in McCain Feingold.

And there are those of us who will never forget nor forgive that nasty tongue-lashing McCain gave to Donald Rumsfeld, shortly after he was let go. Why be so mean as to kick a guy when he is down?

And yet, and yet, McCain has been as sweet as pie to his Democrat(ick) opponents!

All I can say is that if I believed in Kharma, this would be evidence of its existance.

Especially the McCain/Feingold irony, which allowed OBlahBlah to raise record sums of money for his coffers, and prevented McCain from keeping up.

John "Democrat-lite" McCain
When the Republicans nominate a liberal candidate like McCain, they are guaranteed to lose. You defeat liberals with conservatives, not "Democrat-lite" candidates.

The Democrat is Santa Claus, promising everyone goodies from his bag of toys.

The Conservative tries to educate the voter, reminding him that there is no Santa Claus and you can't get something for nothing.

The liberal Republican, like McCain, also tries to be Santa Claus - but with a much smaller bag of toys than the Democrat.

When the choice is a big bag of toys and a small bag of toys, the big bag wins.

When the choice is a big bag of toys and the wisdom of a parent, the parent wins.

Obama could have been beaten, but not with a smaller bag of toys.

If the Republican Party is taken back by the adults in 2012, it can win. (And Obama's bag will be empty by then as well.)

More at:

http://www.colony14.net

Eleanor
"I find it very strange that conservatives are worried about what President-Elect Barack Obama will do to our Country.
Look at the state of our economy now. Look at how the Bush/Paulson answer to a crisis brought on by bad administration is a bailout for unscrupulous lenders, dirty investment companies and banks, and the greed of Wall St."

You are a perfect example of why this country just keeps repeating the same old election cycles. You lack education, honesty and plain old common sense. You are even looking at what caused the financial crisis, or the fact that it is the Democrats that are leading the charge on bailouts as they have two more on the table and another 'tax' stimulus check as well.

I pity you, because it is you that is going to learn the hardest lessons from this. No matter how much liberals try to do an end run human nature you cannot make that happen. And that is why socialism, communism, Marxism always fails. You can't subvert human nature.

You need to get honest.

My bad!
I thought the title was "Who will ruin America?". Well, we got THAT answer last night.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

John
"Americans said NO to the divisiveness, lies, hatred, distortions and racist nonsense spewed by the McCain Campaign and its cronies."

You reap what you sow. It wasn't conservatives that pushed hatred, it was liberals with their BDS. You are going to learn this the hard way, unfortunately the rest of us are along for that wild ride.

"P.S. - To Obama bashers. Get psychotherapy, that's what you probably really need. You are likely using your hatred of Obama to coverup and deny other issues in your life. Deal with it!"

Pot meet Kettle. See BDS comment. You are about to learn that your finger pointing results in three pointing back at you.

It Wasn't About Palin
Palin was nominated to throw a bone to the less-than-enthusiastic base, and to that end it worked; she drew record crowds. The problem was the candidate at the top of the ticket was severely flawed. Instead of boning up on supply-side economics and refuting Obama's big government ideas, and explaining successfully that the housing bubble was the result of government meddling, McCain dumped on "greedy" Wall Street, signed over the largest redistribution of the wealth in history to the financially incompetent, and promised to ensure that no one who deserved to lost his/her home. If you have a choice between a young sharp socialist and and a befuddled not so young socialist, why would you vote for the latter choice?

Eleanor NV
Of course you are right Eleanor, the Bush administration certainly screwed up big time in it's "version" of socialism.
Our entire government is at fault, it all started with FDR - "with the frog in cool water".. and now that the water is boiling our collective citizenship has finally passed on our original purpose of freedom.
Obama is the crowning of this long journey.
We sold our properties stateside 4 years ago and moved our farming operations to Brazil, thank God!

America has increasingly curtailed tangible wealth production thanks to our costly way of doing business, costs of complying with a mind-bogling tax code, high taxes and the ever present government maddling in each nook and cranny of what used to be free enterprise.

Now with the "Politburo" Troika in charge, Pelosi - Obama - Reid, they will only finish the job.

What's left of our productive enterprises will eventually also move offshore to where the business environment is friendlier (Brazil - China - India) and where contemporary tangible wealth is produced. They have had enough of leftist policies and have decided to turn their economies in the best capitalist fashion, that's why we already owe them huge sums and will be begging for more as our country is indeed broke financially, economically, morally and spiritually.

The Problem is Systemic
No matter who "runs" the federal government, approximately half of the citizens will feel powerless. This is because the federal government has too much power (even more than granted by the Constitution) and has become a national government. This means that, for those citizens who disagree with the presiding national government, there is no where to go. If we allowed the people in each state to govern themselves as they see fit (as intended by the Constitution), one would at least have the ability to move to a more friendly state (this includes liberals, conservatives, libertarians, etc). Returning to first principles will solve many of our country's problems.

Be vigilant
Those of us who try to be informed know the simple truth here. Liberal ambitions will take us to the same brink of disaster they took us last time. Keep paying attention, it won't be long.

True About Subsidies
I am a farmer's wife (however, we do not accept government subsidies) and it's true what Stossel says about subsidies. They are bad for America. Also true that there is no such thing as a temporary government program. That's what's so worrisome about Obama and all his giveaway-freebie programs. He will change America and we will never recover.

For those of you who label McCain/Palin and those of us who voted for them as racist-give it up. It's not going to stick. I would have loved to see a black man or woman elected-if they had been qualified. Obama is not. He was elected because of his skin color. The media were determined to get him in and were willing to sacrifice what little integrity they had left after seven years of bashing Bush, to get Obama in at all costs.

Unfortunately, we had so-called "conservatives" such as George Will and Peggy Noonan, who rushed right in to self-righteously bash Sarah Palin, instead of waiting until the election to be over to give advice. She was already nominated. What would have hurt them to be supportive of the republican ticket, instead of sending more centrists running to Obama? Couldn't they see how bad the alternative was? Did they not think she could learn what she did not already know? SHAME on them. And thanks a lot for helping the looney-liberal media elect a marxist.

For those of us who love the unborn, traditional marriage and families, small government with minimal intrusion on our lives, and national security, this is disastrous.



I fear for our nation.

OK We Lost...
But where the hell is my check?

The Citizens of America have Spoken

The American citizenry by an overwhelming margin, has spoken for 'Change' from freedom and the rights of the individual citizen, to 'Socialism' and the rights of 'Collective' citizens.

Americans are free to chose what form of government they want, and they have chosen.

The Liberty and Freedom to choose a form of government is an American right and I support that right.

Socialism has brought untenable problems wherever it has been tried and will continue too, until the end of mankind.

Socialists and Marxists always believe that the reason their theories of government has never worked, is because the leadership was never the right person.

Socialists and Marxists now believe they have the right leader in Barack Obama.

Only time and history will tell, whether Barack Obama is indeed that 'Socialist/Marxist' leader that can bring Socialism to America and make it work.

Until 2010, We have a chance to start turning America back into a Constitutional Republic and an economic system that built America into the greatest country in History - Capitalism

I find it strange
I find it very strange that conservatives are worried about what President-Elect Barack Obama will do to our Country.
Look at the state of our economy now. Look at how the Bush/Paulson answer to a crisis brought on by bad administration is a bailout for unscrupulous lenders, dirty investment companies and banks, and the greed of Wall St.
And now, not only have we become a debtor nation due to a war without end, Bush/Paulson plan to borrow more money to fund the bailout.
As for handouts, you all received your Bush stimulus checks but how many of you returned them to the government because you felt it was a socialist form of spreading the wealth?
And now Bush hopes you will accept another stimulus very soon, as long as you don't call it socialism.
Almost everything you fear will happen under the Obama presidency has already been done under the Bush/Cheney administration.
Open your eyes.
I believe that the people have the power to make change and Obama's election proves it.
If you don't like something contact your representatives in Washington and tell them so.
This is a good blog site to dispel your anger in a public forum but you need one-on-one contact for your reps to hear your personal views.

John in IL - are you serious?
You are kidding right? You claim that it's time for us to come together to move forward and at the same time, you slam Pres. Bush, and call McCain and Palin incompetent racists?

That's just the spirit of "working together" and bipartisanship that I expected from the Obama camp.

You and your ilk are jokes. Oh, by the way, congratulations.

"Drop the hate..."
To "Lionheart" in Texas: I am a white conservative who lives in Alabama. I voted for a Black man for President in the 2000/2004 primary election in Alabama. I didn't care about the color of his skin. I just care about principles and what he stood for, you know, things like capitalism, free enterprise, smaller government, lower taxes, the sanctity of life and strict constructionalist judges. When I look at B. Hussein Obama, I see just the opposite. However, I think the majority of the electorate who voted for him did so precisely because of the color of his skin and because of their particular "special interest" issue, i.e., abortion "rights", homosexual "rights", the "right" to a free (read Taxpayer funded) college education and a free(Taxpayer funded) health insurance plan, and the other "Free" things they expect to "get" (not EARN). Those same people who are able to find all these "right" in the Constitution don't seem to be able to find the right to Free (political) Speech which conflicts with their ideology( First Amendment), the Right to bear arms (Second Amendment), and the concept of limited government (see the Ninth ans Tenth Amendments). So you see, what we conservatives "hate" is socialism, Marxism, Communism, and the destruction and desecration of the Constitution and the American Way of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness, no matter the color of the skin of the person trying to "Change" our country to their liberal idealism, which, by the way, has been tried over and over in other countries, and failed miserably. So please don't stoop to the dishonest labling and mudslinging of name calling. Let's keep the conversation about principles and concepts of how we ought to live. By the way, what principles of governance do you believe in? Are you a Socialist, or do you believe in Free enterprise, capitalism and limited government/low taxes?

Obama chickens comming home to roost
How much of my life will be effected by president elect Obama? (how I hate typing that)

I don't know. I am a bit depressed today and as a result of a lost wager I have to buy one of my co-workers lunch at Hooters on Friday where we will Drink a Presidential Sam Adams.

I will go fishing on Saturday, honor Veterans day by going to a national cemetary and paying respect to my close friend who rests there. Then I will prepare for Thanksgiving.

In short life will go on. I will still provide for my family even if I do squirrel away some more money as hedge against what he will do to the economy.

What has he told us that he will do that will effect me? He will invalidate to history the sacrifices I made in two tours in Iraq. He will lower military morale further by allowing openly serving homosexuals.

he is going to attack gun ownership by limiting the purchase of new weapons, their sale, and ammunition purchases. Especially handguns and large powered hunting rifles.

He will of course elect some liberal supreme court members that will pss me off, and raise taxes, and hurt the general economy but those things won't effect me on a personal level. They will just further degrade the country I have served and loved.

Oh well there is still fishing, football and something that hasn't happened since I was a Senior in HS, the Phillies won the World Series.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Atlas Shrugged Redux
Time for the productive to go on holiday. Sell the business to your employees and buy tax-free bonds; supplement the interest income with a part-time, full-benefits government job. Borrow money from the government (you'll be forgiven for not paying it back) and go back to school or visit a foreign country on an extended stay. In other words, take a year or two off; let the under-achieving and non-productive figure out who's really running the country.

In the meantime, perhaps the GOP will reconsider whether social or fiscal issues get top priority.

America as we knew it and as it

and as it was intended to be may be over. We are entering a new era. Junior has promised to change the world. Although, I still do not know what this change will be or even what Junior wants it to be.

Obamageddon!
Congratulations, America! You have just elected a vainglorious demagogue to be the 44th President of the United States!
A vainglorious demagogue whose experience you can pack into a thimble and still have room left for your thumb!
A vainglorious demagogue whose policies will bankrupt the grandchildren of the college-age voters who have pledged their blind devotion to him!
A vainglorious demagogue whose idea of leadership was to go-along-to-get-along, and vote “present” 130 times during his 15 minutes in the Illinois State Senate!
A vainglorious demagogue who has already demonstrated that he will stifle dissent and destroy the good name of anyone who dares to question or oppose him!
A vainglorious demagogue who used his mixed-race heritage to accuse his opponents of racism if they dared to find fault with his agenda!
A vainglorious demagogue who proved his decency, character and honor by defiling the reputation of the woman who raised him in order to defend the heinous excuse of a human being he called his “spiritual mentor”!
A vainglorious demagogue who deceived and outright lied time and time again about his past and his associations!
A vainglorious demagogue who has no respect for our values and traditions to the point where he will not allow his children to celebrate Christmas!
A vainglorious demagogue who has all but promised to trash the Constitution – the document he calls “flawed” - that he will now swear to preserve, protect and defend!
A vainglorious demagogue who will bring our troops home in defeat and disgrace, and allow his new Best Friends Forever in Iran and Syria to plunge the Middle East into bloodshed!
A vainglorious demagogue whom the world has fallen in love with. And no wonder. In Barack Hussein Obama, they now have a president who hates America just as much as they do!

Not again?

Last night young people partied and celebrated Mao-bama's victory in front of the White House. The hammer and sickle banner of the former USSR was waving over the crowd. Reminded me of SDS rallies against the nam war where they waved the flag of the Peoples' Republic of North Viet Nam. Sick and nauseating.

I still hold hope the courts will send Obombo back to a mud and wattle house instead of the White House.

Obama is a farce
Now, more than ever, people need to unite and stand against Obama. Too many people were asleep at the wheel and that is how a nutjob like Obama got elected.

We can either sit around and sulk or we can be active and make a difference. The only way we can change the direction the US is going is to get involved. Everyone needs to oppose Obama beginning today. Put up Palin, Romney, or any other signs for 2012 now. Let Obama and the libs know we will fight back.

This one is easy!!!
Who is running the country? Let start with who isn't running the country:
1. President
2. Congress
3. Courts
4. State Governors
5. State Houses.
6. ACORN-Although their stock has risen substantially.

The answer is:
A small cabal of banks led by Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan.

Right on Stossel!
Unfortunately, the country just lurched a million miles in the wrong direction.

The most disturbing thing about the Obama enthronement watching America's first king make some ridiculous promise and then see the crowd cheer.

People who know the facts about what government intervention actually does would boo, not cheer such absurd promise.

My epiphany
My epiphany is that we are a nation of stupid and greedy people. Taking from one to give to another used to be called theft, now it is 'sound fiscal policy'.

seawolf and joe america
Well said, both of you.

Differences & Promises

One of the striking differences between Republicans and Democrats is that many Republicans will openly disagree with and criticize a Republican President when they think he is wrong; while most Democrats will ignore, excuse, and rationalize away a Democratic President when they think he is wrong.

Also, dedicated Republicans by the truckload criticized McCain for his lack of conservative commitment. I have not heard one dedicated Democrat dare to criticize Obama about anything. That to me is frightening.

By the way, with America experiencing NO terrorist acts on its soil since 9-11 because of this administration's vigorous defense of the United States, you would think that there might be at least a few voices willing to give President Bush a little credit. While getting many other things wrong (unchecked spending spree, loose borders, failure to communicate, etc), we did experience safety here at home.

This nation has no idea what it has done to itself. Entitlements will now become "rights" of the highest order. The golden goose will be torn to shreds by the wolves advancing on Washington. It is terribly unfortunate that the Republicans did not have the courage to address this, but rather became accomplices to do just what the Democrats do: buy votes with promises. The Democrats are simply better at the game of false promises.


John
Utopia is something out of story books, you cannot be that naive? Of course all of those isms you speak of will be alive and well in the good ole USA, Obamas claim to fame as the "Messiah" Is a LIE!!! All the laws in the world will not change what people see,feel or believe! Wake Up you bleeding heart liberal fools!

thank you john
i am a reformed liberal. i saw the 'law of unintended consequences' when i was a bilingual 1st grade teacher at LA unified in 1994 (i believe things have changed there now, thankfully). the kind hearted liberals decided to pay me MORE (of your tax dollars!!) to speak ONLY spanish in the classroom. no english allowed until 4th grade. even the pledge of allegiance was in spanish (no joke). i thought this was a great idea, being the KIND liberal that i was. i saw how that social engineering and compassion in POLICY backfired. the kids from the local high school came to volunteer in my classroom. at 15 and 16 they hardly spoke any english. i asked how long they had lived in america. the response was always, 'i was born here' (but in spanish, of course). the unintended consequence of that very kind legislation was a generation of children whose english is so lacking, they will have problems in college, if they are lucky enough to attend. thus my conversion started. the parents would complain to the principal who informed them that HE had a Ph.D in education and he knew best. it was disgusting. the last day of school i cried for those 32 kids, knowing they likely would be destined for failure in this stupid school system with all its kind hearted leadership.

andrews
The disappearance of starvation is not a matter of greater GNP. One can increase GNP arbitrarily much without thereby getting rid of starvation. Starvation is a question of distribution. Starvation has not disappeared in the world, despite the fact that we produce enough food to feed the world. It has disappeared in places with a sufficient safety net for the poor.

Not sure what your argument for technology being the reason that starvation disappeared just when new deal policies were put in place, so I don't know if this addressed the rationale behind your error.

Re: P*^*% Poor Education!!!
The reason why this country is going like it is is because of the education system in this country and I was in this process for 28 yrs!! And I can tell you for a fact I taught the test and I was not allowed to teach the isms or the social contract or anyother type of educational facts that this generation has NOT been taught!! So, while sipping tea and wondering what happened in this TRAVISTY of and election just remember that the Educational system in this country will now be tilting toward a marxist view!!!

too much "weed" and not enough education
Like you know, I mean, you know! This election proves what a poor education system this country has, like you know. Government is the problem and one does not have to be too "smart" to see that. I am a veteran what has been happening in the last six election cycles is really disturbing to me and my fellow vets.

When the government gives something for nothing what outcome do you really expect? If you said nothing, you are right. Both political parties are guilty.

Have a nice day, like you know!

SunThe1
Thanks!

By the way, I'll be staying in the area of Richardson - but since I'll be playing golf during my vacation, I'll be ranging all over the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex. I actually was down in the area for 5 days around Christmastime of last year (first time in my life, other than plane stopovers at DFW, I'd ever been in the Dallas area). Since I'll be roaming around the area for my golf, my choice of restaurants doesn't have to be limited to only those IN the city of Dallas: anywhere in the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex will do. So if you know of any good dining establishments over around the Ft. Worth-Arlington or contiguous areas as well, I'd welcome any suggestions.

America has shafted her troops
once again!

MIddle America stood by while the looney left spit on the vets coming home from Viet Nam. MIddle America allowed the spread of the lefties in politics in a misguided effort to "ensure" the comfort of their children. And now Middle America has elected a leftist who has promised to bring the troops home "as quickly as possible".

I have no confidence that President-elect Obama understands the concept of honor or recognizes the sacrifice of those who gave their last full measure of devotion to this country.

What a shame!

America proved something allright
it proved that just over half of us are too stupid to understand the issues, too greedy to improve our lot in life, too ungrateful for what we have and who provides it.

We proved that we would reject one of the true American heros with a life-time of service to our nation and elect a complete novice with very un-American views and friends who in all probability get many of us killed.

Many of you did it to get back at GWB who kept your sorry little lives safe for 7 years, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, but you're not because your selfish children who have no idea of service to your nation.

Don't blame those of us who got it right when the wheels fall off..you were warned, remember?


I get it
as I majored in economics and, not so coincidentally, have been a long term conservative. The sad reality is that a fraud is perpetrated on most Americans every election cycle in this nation: i.e., that a President can fix a bad economy. The economic downtrodden seek a fixer and a quick fix at that, and here comes the dealer ready to exchange promises of a fix for votes. It won't happen. Like Mr. Williams correctly observed, government can hurt the economy with over-regulation, tax hikes, and artificial bailouts, but the economy lives and breathes and twists and turns according to the choices and expectations of the American people. Already, in his victory speech, Obama is warning the downtrodden that change might not come in his first year or even his first term... And so it begins again.


Kev
DDT causes birth defects? The EPA never even alleged that. Where do you get your non-science?

DDT was alleged to cause thinning egg shells and other environmental damage, that's all. No damage to humans. So at worst, if you buy the argument based on weak science, you are sacrificing birds for human lives.

I'll buy into that.


Obama's fans
Our unborn children are in greater danger of being murdered!
ALL of us will see a great increase in the taxes we are paying.
Hope you fans like $4 a gallon for gas - I don't.
How many of you are going to till up your yard so you can raise produce to stretch your money, so you have something to eat.
How many of you are looking for socialized medicine? How many of you need surgery and can't get on the year long waiting list?

By the way did you know Obama's father was top aid the dictator of Kenya? That was a blood bath!

standinhisground: coming to Tx
See 8:26am

Brett from WI

Brett,

Progressives??? The only reason some call themselves "Progressives" is because they have given "Liberals" a bad name.

Progressives identify problems and come up with new solutions to address those problems. They can be conservative or Liberal in their approach but they seek solutions.

Liberals who now like to refer to themselves as progressives are doing a bate and switch.

Liberals have no new ideas. They only offer one solution to any and all problems facing the United States. More socialism, more one size fits all government, more dependance on government, more of what has failed in the past.

I know many liberals have great hopes for Obama and rightfully so. But so far everything he has proposed has been tried already and has failed. There are no new ideas here. Just the failed policies of a prior generation.

Conservatives also had great hopes for G.W.Bush. He along with other republicans campaigned on conservative principles in governance. They never followed them. They never encourage them. They never really understood or believed in them. The result is what we have today.

Nothing about today's failures can be traced back to a failure of conservative principles. However much of what is wrong today can be directly traced back to Liberal failures.

Re: Brett-Reply # 1 Progressive Majority
"We the people now run the country (the majority of whom reject the rebublican party's wealthy elitism, corporatism, sexism, racism, homophobia, warmongering, fear, hate, religous zealotry)"
----
Interesting, you've just described a large part of the Democratic Party as well. None of these labels you affix to Republicans have any Party boundries.

To you and all liberals.I sincerely hope one day that you realize that we the people are responsible for the current economic mess we are currently in and it is all of us that hold responsibility for getting ourselves out of it; just like any other problem we face year to year.

You all like to blame Bush for everything, but let me ask you: Did Bush twist your arm and make you buy that house you could not afford? Did Bush tell you to max out your credit cards with toys and gadgets you don't really need rather than pay save for higher education, health care, and other necessities you and your families really need? Was it George Bush that forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into insolvency by providing unsecured loans to poor people who had no means and in many cases no intention of paying them back? No, that started with Clinton, ACORN, the ACLU and the Democrats. Was it George Bush who purchased these bad loans/investments? No, it was Wall Street and Wall Street should be the ones to clean up the mess, not the taxpayer. If you are going to invest your money then take the time to educate yourself and take the time to watch the markets so that you can spot trouble ahead of time and protect your nest egg. Washington cannot be your eyes, ears, and brain all a the same time.

We can go on, but lets not. I leave you with one question. How will your savior and the root cause of most of these problems, the Democrats, fix all of this while continuing and increasing the entitlements to those unwilling to take controol of their own destiny's?

lionheart
You noted that many of the people who died for the rights of blacks were white. That was good of you. I see little of that, and want to thank you. Being one of those who has stood up lifelong for those rights, I have been rather nonplussed recently.
I would encourage you to call down people who post here (HEAVYDOUG for example, who opined that "white people deserve to have their throats slit in their sleep", and BIGDODDY who opined that "most blacks feel about America the way they feel about the uncle who molested them as a kid but paid their college tuition". They'll likely change their names if they continue to post here. Others are milder: "this is the end of white rule". Not exactly the words of a gracious victor to whom we can all rally.).

I can take the racial stuff - the part that gets to me is the dissing of America. It turns me off bigtime, and is one of the personal issues I have with Sen Obama. The rest are all ideological (being a conservative).

That said, I am praying for him, and hoping for good things to come of his presidency. As they do, I will asknowledge them, just as I will criticise when they don't.
Best to you.

Now and the future
Congratulations to President-elect Obama and his supporters for the win, it is, indeed, an historic moment. I look forward to being his loyal opposition, veeery loyal and veeery opposed to his liberal thrusts.

Now for the future, if he tanks our economy like Carter perhaps we can mount a Reaganesque counterattack to a more complete victory than McCain/Palin could have gotten us!

Say, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal!

Lon
Yes, the end of starvation had everything to do with the New Deal and nothing to do with technology and private enterprise.

Come on! Even the most ardent FDR suck up does not believe that.

Do you also believe the government creates more daylight with daylight savings time?

small farms
Most small farm owners work at another job,and they use the farm as thier retirement.They quit raising chickens,pigs and milk cows,as this takes time.They raise corn or soybeans.This is so they are only busy about 2 months out of thge year to plant then to harvest.

Oh, and Brett
The other 49% of America also spoke.

somebody help me with the numbers
Let's see, $300 billion farm bill, roughly 300 million Americans. That's $1000 for every American whether they pay taxes or not so where does the $550 per tax payer come from?

Brett
You are so gracious in victory that I am sure we are moved to rally to unity.
Not to worry. It's a learned skill.

CALLING ALL TEXANS!
In a couple of weeks I'm motoring down I-35 from Kansas City to the Dallas-Ft. Worth area to spend a week-and-a-half of vacation (and after last night's results, now I REALLY need it).

Any of you Texans who read this who live in, lived in, or at least are familiar with, the Dallas-Ft. Worth area: I'll be looking for some good barbeque, Tex-Mex, and other good dining establishments out there. Anyone got any suggestions for me?

Progressive Majority
We the people now run the country (the majority of whom reject the rebublican party's wealthy elitism, corporatism, sexism, racism, homophobia, warmongering, fear, hate, religous zealotry)

As McCain said: "America has spoken" and it want's progressive government.

Thanks for playing.
Deal with it.

Liberal Government already is
forcing small farms out of business with existing federal, state, county, municipal, and school taxes.

southpawpundit #8: If you were paying attention to rev Wright, Farrakahn, and other liberals, we are not all brothers and sisters. They do intend to do many nasty things to all of us, because they hate all of us. When you extend your hand to them, they will cut it off and laugh at you for your stupidity. You only have to look at the videos that they made of themselves cutting the heads of innocent people.

idopas #31: Obama is not black. He is half white (mother descended from slave owners), and 3/8 muslim/arab (father descended from slave traders).

David #35: Obama, with the help of his personal secret police will shred the Constitution.

alan #37: I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!!

Caroline #64: Do you mean get back to work to give more money to Hussein to give to non-workers?

Caroline #65: You are so right about Reid and Pelosi. They take over after they get rid of Obama and Biden. That's how they will make Michelle like JFK's first lady.

Stossel is right
Since the new deal was passed very few people starve, and those that do generally do for medical reasons that interfere with eating.

Of course before the government stepped in we did have people starving, But not anymore. So I guess while Stossel is right about that narrow point he is pretty wrong about his larger point.

Dave
Your joking Right? I plan on holding this Socialist Pigs Hand to the Fire in everyway I can!!! Wake Up People, this isnt the time to lay down and make nice!!!! This is time to Fight for what we believe in!!! Lets Fight and Demand Accountability of our Elected Officals!

The Media Run the Country
They do this by propagandizing the country and most importantly setting the agenda by setting the issues that voters are concerned with. The demonize that which we hold important, conservatism, thus in 90% of the cases we wind up with liberal government either the Democrats, liberalism heavy or the Republicans, except for Reagan, liberalism light. I've seen 60 years of this and I don't see short of divine intervention where this will change. We need strenusous political activity ( boycots, lawsuits, more open and direct rhetoric, etc) to get the media to reform themselves. And we need a National Conservative party to get us out of the control of the old line traditional liberal light Republicans.

Smoke and Mirrors
Foolish Americans are hanging their hat on this man who has never been tested, he has never been through the fire! He is one scary individual! I pray he doesnt disappoint! God Help Us All!

Who will run America?
The MSM as always. Already they are saying that Obama has inherited the worse situation in the history of the world. Thus setting him up in advance as not responsible for any of his coming failures. No, nothing bad that happens will be his fault, unbelievably they will still be blaming Bush.

Obama
Obama is now president. Marx and Lenin would be proud.

Change we can believe in
He's going to change this country from one that would elect him to one that won't. It'll take 4 years.

From Chicago With Love...
In a way I'm glad to see Mr. Obama go to Washington. Now the rest of the country will get to see the one party rule we live under here in "Crook" County and the rest of Illinois.

Enjoy the ride. I'll see you on the other side in eight years if the Republic is still standing.

Captain Ahab
Who will run America? That's pretty clear now.
We're watching....

Who w/b Running the USA?
I shudder to think, but the good thing about this whole take-over, is that the Demon-crats won't have Bush-Cheney or a Rep.Congress to blame, when the U.S. goes into the toilet, and the Banks forecloses those blacks homes that wouldn't pay their mortgages!

I find "real" solace in that fact :-)))

caroline
I agree: obama's spine (nonsequitur) will not be up to the task of opposing the likes of pelosi, reid or those who control the machine that put him where he is.
There's nothing-nothing- to indicate that he would. He hever said boo to his pastor or his radical crony Ayers, so one would have to conclude that either he agreed with them or lacked the spine to speak up.
Either way, they have free rein.

I certainly won't emulate the liberal behavior of the past 8 years, but I will also not hesitate to criticise any policy and action of the president and the congress with which I disagree. I am capable of being surprised, but not hopeful.

Character did not win! Rock Star Did!
I am sad that a biased totally left-sided media allowed lies and deception to go unchecked. I am sad that character did not win! There is no RESPECT for what I have watched happen over the last 2 years. Just sadness - Journalism died. Sadness that the real facts were kept from most of the people. And really sad, that so many young and uninformed voters sold their souls for a shot of a pack of cigarettes, The Boss concerts, and ideological misinformation deluxe. I am just sad!
Sparklestheclown aka GammySparkles

The election of Obama...
...give this country a gigantic push to socialism and tyrany. Socailism always fails. Socialists always blame the people, and always resort to the use of force. Expect each failure to be followed by increasingly represive failures.

We are so screwed!

The WH doesn't govern
what goes on in your house.

Once Obama gets his secret police, it will.

Remember what Ronald Reagan said!
Dear John,

Your column brings to mind something the Great Communicator said, "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

Best,
Bill

Government...
..."If you don't like our problems, just wait until you see our solutions."

God sure turned his back on America last night.

Who Will Run America?
Not you Neocons and George Bush!

President Barack Hussein Obama.
Please let's not see the same disgusting behavior toward President Obama the democrats displayed toward President Bush. We do not have to like President Obama but you can not change the fact that he's the man now. Let's show the world that we can respectfully disagree with our president with out resorting to the assinine, childish, rude, and malicious behavior the democrats displayed the last eight years toward President Bush.

Now the campaign is over and the time for governance takes over. With a majority in the Congress and Supreme Court appointeess President Obama's term may well lift all restrictions on abortion (parental consent, late term/partial birth), severely restrict Second Amendment rights, pass the "Fairness Doctrine", destroy the meaning of traditional marriage, tax our economy into oblivion to pay for all of his rosey cradle to the grave socialist campaign promises, and push us further toward a society in which people rely far too much on government assistance than what we can afford and still remain economically potent.

Other than that, good luck President Obama.

caroline
I agree with you completely, but I fear our hopes will be in vain. Even a quick read of the thread reveals what has been my sore spot for months. Too many conservatives (at least amongst those that visit TH) behave exactly like the liberals they bemoan.

Put simply, if it is wrong when a liberal did it, it is wrong when a conservative does it.

Good Luck Obama

I wish you gesundheit. Considering the two clowns of greater magnitude who are in line to succeed you. Do your damage to the Constitution, the courts, the military, the unborn, the honest workers and taxpayers, the business community in good health. Get a taster.
Oh, and one other thing: don't mess around in the oval office. I doubt your wife would let you survive, mean as she is.

LionHeart TX, Nov 5, 2008 - 1:51 AM EST

You still don't get it, do you?

The only racists left in the country are blacks. Everybody else is cool.

Regarding Obama and if I will ever support him? Probably never, because Obama is blatantly dishonest and deceitful. He is additionally a socialist. I don't expect him to change, and I know I will never give up my integrity for the favors of a con man.

I wanted someone in the POTUS position with some integrity. Of the two running, McCain was my choice. I could have voted for Obama if I thought he had ANY integrity, but after examination, he came up with none. IMHO.

And you're proud of the fact that the first black president will be a guy raised on Chicago politics and Marxist friends?

How desperate is that?

caroline
I feel the same way. One of the biggest reasons for my voting for McCain wasn't so much trepidation of what Obama HIMSELF might do as president but what he might do as president IN CONJUNCTION WITH the likes of Pelosi and Reed. If the Congress were in the hands of a much more moderate Democratic majority, I'd have been a lot more indifferent to WHO won the White House. But it isn't. I too find it hard to envision Obama being able to stand up to people like Pelosi and other elements of the far left of the Democratic Party, such as MoveOn.org, to whom Obama owes a major political debt for his win last night and who are not going to be shy about demanding payment.

Speaking of being full of hate and partisan, Obama's victory had just barely been announced before New York Senator Chuck Schumer was ALREADY talking about resurrecting the Fairness Doctrine. The Democrats had just barely had time to catch their breath before they were starting to plan their revenge on conservatives. If any conservatives were wondering what kind of "bi-partisanship" they can expect from their new masters in Washington, well, I'd say they don't need to wonder anymore.

Blacks, Ages 18-29, Females
Thanks to these voters we will pause for NLT 8 years of socialism/marxism and a return to the good years of FDR, LBJ, Carter and Truman. Given the opportunity, Jorge Bush and the Repubs in Congress blew it mightily. But as with the FDR and LBJ eras, it will be huge and there will be no return to US traditions. But I disagree with Stossel's argument that the govmint doesn't run much of our lives. They do it big time and influence most of it. Would you say that the Feds have no influence over religion? What do the courts influence, nothing? Who or what can speak out about voting and in what manner? Can churches speak of choices for voting? When was the last time anyone who received Soc Sec payments was influence by the govmint? Unemployment compensation? Education the good old union way, or how to teach gay-ism and socialism. Stossel quote as to whether the government runs the country: "Really? Run the country?" When was the last time the government "didn't allow" Wall Street, banks, brokers, mortgage lenders, hedgers, oil speculators, to do their dirty work that smashed our economy? Whos were the politicians who have given us 32 consecutive years of trade deficits while promoting and legislating open borders, NAFTA, shipping jobs, and giving our technology to other countries? Stossel, perhaps you missed Walter Williams better quotes and history background. He has it correct along with Thomas Sowell, the two best on TH.

stand
Welcome ahead of time to Texas! Hope you enjoy your stay.

My gourmand friend in Dallas recommends these:
BOB'S Steak & Chop House - The Lemmon Ave. Location - 214-528-9446 (4300 Lemmon Ave.)

Al Bernat's Rest. - 4217 Oak Lawn - 214-219-2201

Javier's - 4912 Cole -214-521-4211

Sea Breeze Seafood Market - 4017 Preston Rd. Plano, TX - 971-476-2722 (in strip center)

Oceanaire Seafood Room

Kitchen 1924

Matt's TexMex

Knowing him, many of them are likely to be expensive. But I can tell you if he recommends them, the food will be awesome.

Pelosi and Reid are the scary ones
Honestly Obama does not scare me nearly as much as do the likes of Reid and Pelosi. They are so over the top, so full of hate and so partisan. I think they will bully Obama and he will crumble like a cookie.

do not become a bitter liberal
Hey conservatives lets not become bitter like the liberals have been for the last 8 years. Lets be better than that, we ARE better than that! Let them have their moment in the sun.

We do what we do best, we hunker down and get back to work.

Palin/Jindal 2012

Frankly I'm happy
I will be happy to be part of the opposition now. 8 years of seeing a good man trashed has been very wearing. I was not looking forward to seeing the same happen to John McCain. Seems to be a theme in his life that he is sent to a battle without backing, in this case against overwhelming odds. He fought, and he fought honorably. He's a good man.

In the 'be careful what you ask for department'

(aka "You bought it, you own it"):
Now that they have both halls of power (and soon all 3), the ball is squarely in the dem's court. No more having to parse the blame. I will pray that they act wisely, but will cut them little slack on their actions.

Not that they'll acknowledge it, but the black vote would not have even won obama the nomination, much less the presidency. All those whitey oppressors stepped up for him. Debt paid. Race card nullified.


This will certainly also nullify those preachers who cash in on their congregants feeling oppressed. The onus is now on their congregants to figure out how to take the lead in this "healing" business, since whitey's failed at it. Also nullified: affirmative action. Most of us will consider the debt paid in full, as evidenced by the fact that there IS no barrier. You'll have to make up some other fairy tale.


Over to you!


be careful . . .
I hope I am wrong but - - what executive orders will president elect barack hussein obama come up with in order to further the aims of his marxist masters? With a democRATic controlled congress, the likelihood of any executive orders being challenged is nil. (Of course,rebublicans have never challenged them either). Get ready for the dictatorship by executive order.

SunThe1
Two weeks from today, I'll be heading down I-35 from Kansas City to spend a week-and-a-half of vacation in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.

All of a sudden, such a vacation is looking better and better to me. Since Texas last night resisted the pull to join the People's Republic of America, it'll be nice to spend time - and money - in REAL America.

Looks like my state also stayed red - barely. My brother's (North Carolina), however, went over to the other side. North Carolinians who fought for the Confederacy must now be turning over in their graves.

It's been said, "DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!". In the next four years, I'm counting on you Texans to show Barack Obama that this isn't just an expression but a way of life - and a threat.

Less is More
Why are we arguing about Obama? He's been elected, I don't like it, but that was yesterday. Accept what is and move on.

Stossel is arguing in his piece against government intervention and how efficient and resourceful we can be when we're forced to innovate instead of lobby for federal handouts. And I agree with him.

Hard to find the energy to innovate when you're standing in line for a handout, no matter what segment of society you come from.

We'd be better off, as Jefferson once said, without government except the liberal media is walking around today thinking they have the power to make a president, and they don't have any more clue what's good for us than the new president-elect does.

Less government is truly more--for all of us in the long run.


Southpaw says
"I know that I came here sometimes just to ruffle feathers, rattle cages, and tick people off."


You and other lib posters here seem to be saying "don't act like we did."

Lionheart tells us to just kiss off.

The healing has begun, I see.

Memo to lib trolls
and Appollo, that includes you. We are in the great depression again? Ya think? Unemploy was 25% then; it is 6.1% now. Read more - see my memo......

Do not thank Republicans for your lib win last night.

Thank the "September Surprise" - the economic financial meltdown OWNED by the Dems in Congress - that Obama tricked people like you into thinking was Bush the neocon's fault.

The biggest BS job ever swallowed by a bunch of suckers - now you'll get what you wished for, Lib trolls! Obama! Yeah!

I suggest you read Dallek's "Flawed Giant - Lyndon Johnson and his times 1961-1973" about the LBJ presidency and its implosion. Pay particular attention to the economic policies and what a failure they were.

Because they are exactly the same as what Obama proposes now in 2008. Good idea? Ya think?