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Wednesday, September 10, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Green Jobs
by John Stossel
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has a great twofer pitch: "green jobs." It sounds like a winner. In one fell swoop he can promise to end unemployment and fix and save the planet from climate change.

Or so he says.

"I'll invest $150 billion over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy -- wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced," he told the Democratic National Convention.

Wow. Five million new jobs. All that work building windmills and creating biofuels are the "green jobs" that will come into existence when wise government creates the industries that will produce the energy and vehicles that will make fossil fuels obsolete.

Politicians always promise that their programs will create jobs. It's used to justify building palatial sports stadiums for wealthy team owners. Alaska Rep. Don Young claimed the infamous "bridge to nowhere" would create jobs. The fallacy is the same in every case: Even if the program creates jobs building bridges or windmills, it necessarily prevents other jobs from being created. This is because government spending merely diverts money from private projects to government projects.

Governments create no wealth. They only move it around while taking a cut for their trouble. So any jobs created over here come at the expense of jobs that would have been created over there. Overlooking this fact is known as the broken-window fallacy. The French economist Frederic Bastiat pointed out that a broken shop window will create work for a glassmaker, but that work comes only at the expense of the cook or tailor the shopkeeper would have patronized if he didn't have to replace the window.

Creating jobs is not difficult for government officials. Pharaohs created thousands of jobs by building pyramids. Our government could create jobs by paying people to dig holes and then fill them up. Would actual wealth be created? Of course not. It would be destroyed. It's like arguing the hurricanes create jobs. After all, the destruction is followed by rebuilding. But does anyone seriously believe that replacing destroyed buildings creates wealth?

Look at Obama's plan. His website says:

"Obama will strategically invest $150 billion over 10 years to accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, encourage energy efficiency, invest in low emissions coal plants, advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world."

Note that word "strategically." It is there to suggest that Obama knows how best to "invest" the $150 billion. (Of course it is not his money, and he'll have none of his own at risk, so from his perspective, it won't really be investment.) But how does he know that the things he names ought to get the money? Will he give it to cronies of his campaign contributors? Will he appoint Al Gore to pick grant recipients? Lobbyists will make a fortune steering "green" inventors and promoters to the $150 billion.

Politicians have a lousy record trying to make "strategic investments." President Jimmy Carter's Synthetic Fuels Corporation cost taxpayers at least $19 billion but failed to give us alternative fuels. In the 1950s Japan's supposedly omniscient Ministry of International Trade and Investment rebuffed Sony and was sure the country should have just one car producer.

Neither Gore nor Obama can know how the money should best be invested. Investing is about predicting the future, and the future is always uncertain. We know from experience that people who have their own money at risk -- who face a profit-and-loss test and possible bankruptcy -- are much better predictors than people who play with other people's money. Just compare North and South Korea.

One reason decentralized markets are preferable to government central planning is that human beings are fallible. Mistakes are inevitable. Some investments will be errors. Mistakes in the market tend to be on a comparatively small scale. If one company invests in plug-in hybrids and it goes bust, only a relatively few people suffer. The assets of the bankrupt firm pass into more capable hands.

But decisions by government, especially the federal government, affect all of us. When government makes a mistake, the bureaucracy can't go bankrupt. Instead, it will use its failure to justify increased appropriations in the next budget.

If "green jobs" make so much sense, the market will create them. They will be created by private entrepreneurs and venture capitalists who are eager to profit from winning investments. The best ideas will rise to the top, and green energy will gradually replace coal and oil.

If politicians were serious about creating jobs and cleaner technologies, they would step aside and let the free market go to work.

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Why
am I not learning this in school? I was more enlightened by this article than I was in a semester of econ.

Stossel for PRESIDENT
What else needs to be said? Walter Williams for Vice President. Now THAT is a dream team.

I'm with 'Jake'. I've an MBA and no one has ever explained it so succinctly.

Thanyou Mr. Stossel...
You forgot to deconstruct the fallacy that these jobs can't be outsourced. Of course they can, and will be - to the low cost producer - China, who will use traditional energy sources (oil, electricity) to build and ship our oh-so green wind towers back to us.

We will then borrow from China to pay for our costly imports.

What's next from the Obama team - wind/solar powered aircraft carriers?

Cheech & Chong Obamanomics
Makes me team Obama has been driving the van from Cheech & Chong's "Up in Smoke" - now that's green technology.

John you miss the entire strategy
of the Vomit and the Lamocrats. The object isn't to advance subsidies for these so-called alternative energy strategies. That has been going on a massive sale since the Carter years and continued with the Republican 2005 energy bill.

O'Vomit's 150 billion in additional credits is a laugh. First you have to COLLECT the 150 billion, except that he will collect 200 billion.

Of that 200 billion perhaps 50 billion will go to "green" programs like solar and wind. The rest of the money will go to socialist programs that have been hidden in supposedly "green" bills. Sort of like hiding welfare payouts in the military appropriations bills. (Yes, that was actually done when clinton was in office and the dems had congress).

Succinct
Warlord X - Succinctly is right. In fact he gets it all said in the last paragraph.

I have only one bone ...
of contention. And really, it has to do more with practical application than what is supposed to happen.

The best way I've heard it put is that in America to day, we've privatized proffits and socialized losses. So, while this statement is true, "We know from experience that people who have their own money at risk -- who face a profit-and-loss test and possible bankruptcy -- are much better predictors than people who play with other people's money", both Democrats and Republicans have not allowed the poor decisions by business to learn from their mistakes by bailing them out. All in the name of protecting the little guy investor or homeowner. That's BS!

All this government intervention ultimately protects the fat-cat CEO's and their golden parachutes. Witness the latest brouhaha with FannieMae and FreddieMac. Until we markets unimpeded by federal manipulation, we will continue the socialization of corporate America. All at taxpayer expense.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Omaba is right, it's sense not politics
I dont see your objections. Take of those blinkers for a second.

Forget the environmental lobby. And climate change, its irrelevent.

Whether you like, or agree with it, the Green industry is coming. In economic terms it would be stupid for the west not to get their share of the pie.

Also, completely independent of your political color, things like oil will inevitably get scarce and/or be used as blackmail by unstable countries on the West.

So doesnt it make sense to cocoon ourselves in energy supply generation. So this never happens?

Obama is right, and if you republicans are not even going to consider it you are taking a huge risk of energy shortages and being made to look weak by errant countries blackmailing you for fossil fuels.

Idopas
I have no problem with solar or wind energy, but the private sector can more EFFICIENTLY produce the electricity needed compared to government INEFFICIENCY. But the idea of oil shale, ANWR, more clean coal is what we need now so that we can make a gradual alteration in sources to renewable energy. We cannot snap our fingers and have hybrid and fuel cell cars, or ones that run on natural gas.

Idopas, I'm not sure you were ...
listening. Stossil is not saying we should not invest in green technology, by all means we should. What he is saying is that it should not be done via government fiat where there is little or no feedback as to results of investment.

Let the free market determine which technologies get the money. The most viable alternatives will get the investment dollars (or Euros) and we'll achieve success sooner than if we let some low level government functionary determine the viability of a technology. Capitalism will achieve results faster, better, and more economically.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

We need to invest in OIL first
, before we invest in other energy sources. Anything either the government or private enterprise does about alternative energy sources is 10+ years away. Oil, we have, if Liberals will let us go get it. The infrastructure is already in place. We can free up lots of it for transportation, if we build nuclear power plants. The technology is already developed, but once again, Liberals are standing in the way.
Alternative energy will be developed. The incentive is there. It's called profit. The technology isn't there yet. It's 10 or 20 years away. We need a stop gap to hold us over until it is.

"Green Jobs" doesn't pass the laugh test

The Leftie Losers are having pipe dreams about ridding the United States of industrial jobs and replacing them with so-called "green jobs."

I wish somebody would explain to me exactly what a "green job" would look like. Would that be selling Al Gore style green indulgances, otherwise known as "carbon credits?"

Or would it entail making Soylent Green out of carbon based life forms, thus reducing the human "carbon footprint?"

FROG
Don't let the Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack fiasco cloud your reasoning. Those two organizations have NEVER been private firms. That being said, Bear Sterns and Chrysler were. Bail out of "private" firms has been rare and is relatively new. We should be screaming loud for it to stop, but they did it in the middle of an election and the party that typically fights those kinds of things has a liberal at the helm now.

Definition of economics:
the allocation of scarce resources that have alternate uses. Too many people leave off that "alternate uses" part, but it is still important. Every dollar spent by the government is a dollar that American taxpayers can't save, invest for retirement, buy school supplies or a car or a house, or pay tuition to send children to a better school. Every decision made by the government is a decision individuals and families don't get to make for themselves.

Is it just me
Or does Obama have this delusion that the POTUS is some kind of CEO over the 'Corporation' of the USA?

The job of the President is not now, nor ever has been, to create jobs.

I'm sick of Government taking the place of individual enterprise.

I'm also sick of the corporate bail-outs by government,when nobody is held responsible for walking away from debt and those of us who are productive and responsible pay the price.

I think we need to go back to putting deadbeats into prison instead of making bankruptcy and governmental handouts so easy.

When no one is held responsible for their actions, there is no incentive to BE responsible.

We have always worked for what we have, and when we had monumental debt we paid it off as we could. We didn't walk away from the responsibility, we didn't ask for a debt reduction of 'pennies on the dollar' and we didn't stop paying our obligations and walk away just because the housing market took a fall and our investment opportunity tanked.

More government intervention is not the answer.

Obama as our new 'CEO' is definitely not the answer.

If he's so brilliant, show me the evidence of a corporation that he has taken over and accomplished something. Otherwise, it is just more of the same 'chicken in every pot' rhetoric we hear every election year, where the gullible public believes the economy is in the toilet (even when GDP has gone up 3.3%) and only the Government can 'save' us from ourselves.

Everyone wants someone to be their daddy. Time to Grow UP!

Idopas and Green Energy
Idopas
I am looking for where the US govt has the right to be in the energy business in the US Constitution. I dont seem to find it. If you can site the Article and Section to us, that would be great. Until it is found, US Govt needs to stay out of the energy business.
By the way, there is plenty of oil. Please review the principle of present vs future value in Econ 101. That is the core reason why we will not run out of oil. It makes more sense to place the majority of resources into something that is proven and has the distribution model in place, rather than something that is not totally ready for total market use.


Barack H Obama, Esq CEO
Where is he going to get $150 Billion to create 5 million jobs? Here is possible answer: Raise taxes, create more US Debt notes and spend the money. The net effect: increased inflation and higher energy cost. You think gas is high now?

the Market
Liberals hate market solutions, because it only fixes things when they actually become a problem and a demand arises for their solution.

Liberals have a utopia in mind that of course cannot exist in reality and they would like to fix today (with your money, as Stossel points out) what they think may be a problem at some point in the future .

http://www.thenewliberal.org

Economics
Should be taught in grade school. Capitalism, free enterprise is the economy of the free. Every American should understand it.

tedmug
The problem is that if economics were taught in our schools of today, the obvious economic theory to be taught, promoted, and worshipped would be communism.

Oh, my bad, they already do that, but they don't call it economics. They call it Social Studies.

John you are oh so wrong....
Dont you know logical arguments will never win over any liberals.

Case in Point:

Liberal/Socialist Arguement: Raising Taxes on the Rich will not hurt the ecnonomy, and its rich peoples resposibility to pay their fair share. However, in the exact same breath they can say: If we in a slow economy/recession we wont raise taxes, because it may hurt job creation!!!!!!???

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/10/obama-may-defer- planned-tax-increases/


You need to present your arguments in such a way that it will make the feel good. As in, I really HOPE that the FreeMarket will CHANGE and create green jobs. See i said the magic worsd; now its all lollypops and sunshine....

Again logic never wins with libs, only emotion.


Jake
In all seriousness, thanks for posting that. The best thing I ever did in college was take the Wall Street Journal for a semester, and read it every single day. I haven't been the same since, because suddenly I could see the story behind the story--the economic reasons and forces that move the world.

Good luck bro. Stick with John Stossel and Walter Williams; Ayn Rand if you're adventurous.

electrical grid
Note that Texas has a lot of wind produced electricity while Calif. is having brown or black outs. Texas has its oun grid so BO.(phew) needs to take electricity from Texas to keep the kooks in Calif. from building generation plants of any kind. This is the grid correction he wants. If this is allowed the Gov. of Texas should close the oil and gas lines to the Eastr and West coast in the middle of the winter and then say we readjusted the oil and gas grid to make it more FAIR.

Robert
No State has it's own electrical grid. Each utility has it's own grid and they are all interconnected through several lines and breakers at the borders with each utility's neighbor. Some utilities are totally within a single State, some cross State lines, and all States that I am aware of have more than one utility.

California, Oregon, and Washington have a unique grid arrangement necessitated by the mountains. Because the rocky mountains create problems with transmission lines what they have is a large “circular grid” around the mountains called The Great Western Doughnut”. This creates it’s own problems in oscillating currents which cause some of the problems they have. Also, the few lines crossing the mountains often get overloaded because they try to carry too much power over them.

California gets most of it’s power from out of State, primarily Washington (hydro) and Nevada (hydro). As far as I know they make no purchases from TX. It is very difficult to wheel power over that large of a distance.

Another good un John
I love the way Obama uses the term investment. The same way a used car salesman uses it when describing the purchase of a depreciating and non-income producing asset. When I invest, I expect my money back plus a return to justify the risk. Would you part with your retirement fund for Obama to invest on your behalf in alternative energy? What question's would someone might want to ask of the investment fund manager to which they are committing a large portion of their income? Any questions like these being asked of Obama? What is his track record in picking stocks of emerging alternative energy companies or any companies? Do I believe strongly enough in his abilities in this area to entrust the future of the country on his ability to pick the right ones.

While the leftists might attempt to sway me with the argument that at least he is investing the money and not simply squandering it on booze, drugs, and girls, but I honestly can't see the difference. As a matter of fact, the latter option would at least have some measurable results.

But Mr. Stossel....!!!!
Obama promised!

Although central planning has never worked and the government has never produced wealth for anyone, this time it will for sure! Obama said so! Don't you believe in miracles? How about the tooth fairy? The Easter bunny? Santa?

Man, you're tough, John.

Anyway, as long as we get free stuff from Obama, like he has promised, we still want him president. The free money will be never ending, and it will just appear in our mailboxes!

You Republicans just don't get it. It's so easy to be a Democrat. Just shut off your brain and play pretend!


'Alternative Energy'
I love listening to Economic morons (read, politicians). They remind me why the only 'science' they studied was 'political science.'

Do they not understand the difference between real and conceptual models? And that to replace the real delivery system in place may take several years (the current system took nearly 100 years to establish)? And that conceptual models sometimes NEVER make it to market, since the products cost too much to produce, deliver, or create? Or they just aren't phyisically viable? Ask the drug companies what their R&D success rate is....

Do they not think that some wealthy person or group would jump at the possibility of a brand-new, mult-billion dollar market, that they would OWN 100% of, until competitors got up to speed? Why doesn't a Bill Gates or a Warren Buffett invest a $1B or so into a new technology? BECAUSE THE RISK IS NOT WORTH THE REWARD, AND THE EXPENSE IS GREATER THAN THE RETURN!! Like any other 'investment', where you may lose your principal--unlike tax-based spending, which there are no losers, just measly taxpayers.

Also, they bash the 'obscene' profits of EXXON. Notice the other oil companies aren't reporting record profits? Because EXXON is better at it than they are! Whether it is exploration, purchase, refining, or distribution, they are just better. If Shell or BP or Conoco were as good, they would be just as profitable. Notice Gates and Buffett haven't started their own oil companies, either--apparently, having an oil company isn't the guarantee of success that pols would have you believe.

EXPANDED DRILLING = JOBS
EXPANDED DOMESTIC OIL & GAS EXPLORATION MEANS AMERICAN JOBS...

This would NOT cost us tax payers ANYTHING ! ! !

With bans on 3/4 of offshore blocks, ANWR in Alaska, & the Green River Shale formation of the ROCKIES that has the potential of 4 times the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia & 120-400 years potential reserves COMBINED, JUST DROP THESE BANS & LET US DRILL...

ALL it would take, is for our CONGRESS to drop its drilling bans on OFFSHORE blocks, ANWR in Alaska, & the Green River Shale formation of ROCKIES...

The upside to increasing domestic oil & gas drilling now, and in the future, that NO ONE has even been talking about are... JOBS...

We are talking 200,000-400,000+ high paying AMERICAN JOBS...

Total oil & gas exploration jobs in the industry rose 256 percent by 491,000 jobs from 1973 to 1981. Many of these gains were erased, however, after the oil bubble burst in 1981. Within six years, 374,000 jobs had disappeared.

Most people don't even realize the hit our domestic oil & gas exploration industry took during the mid 1980s...

However, now with our nation finally waking up to the need to become energy independent, there is an additional upside to expanded domestic oil & gas exploration that no one seems to be focusing on.

That is good, high paying AMERICAN JOBS ! ! !

Also it would help us become energy secure and BOOST our economy with ZERO cost to tax payers & INCREASED royalties & revenues to our government FROM DOMESTIC DRILLING & PRODUCTION.

Building windmills.
The building of windmills are jobs that can and will be outsourced.

But there are "green jobs" that can't be exported. Picking through trash and dumps trying to find anything that can be sold or re-used. Many third world countries have such "green jobs".

Electric Cars are Possible -
but VERY unlikely. I know of at least two that were trial cars and very successful. Both used standard car batteries. One got 65 mph (the auto industry says 45 max) and a 300 mile range per charge (the auto industry says 50). Both could be immediately built today without a problem in building or working.

BUT!!! If they are built it would lower gasoline sales which would reduce oil company profits. And it would reduce the fuel taxes the government collects since it is impossible to tax electricity used as fuel for cars without doing the same thing for houses, etc. And if the government tried to increase the tax for houses, we'd likely have a revolt.

Propane and natural gas can be used on any car now with minor modifications. But again, they can't be taxed since you could fill up at home and cuts into oil company profits (although not as much). Again, the government can't have them available without losing tax dollars it can spend.

So don't hold your breath waiting on these. You might tend to turn a little blue - or even purple.

Wind and Solar Power - NOT!!
T. Boone Picken is presently building a large number of windmills and expects to make billions off them. He is pushing to build even more. BUT!!! He seems to have forgotten that he does NOT intend to build the transmission lines and sub-stations to use this power. Instead he is demanding that the government use our tax money to build these - which costs more than the windmills - so he can make his profits. He wouldn't have profits from them if he had to build all this himself.

Solar power? There is a station in Arizona that provides power to a reservation. First, it takes hundreds of acres of land to produce even a small amount of electricity. And it has to be bare land. Second, it has to be in an area that has few days of cloud cover. And third, it is EXPENSIVE to maintain! A normal house might have a bill of $250 a month for average use of electricity. According to a report I saw years ago by a retired electrical engineer who worked on and helped maintain that plant before he retired, if all expenses were passed on to the users, their bill would be a mere $15,000 a month for the same electricity.

I suppose improvements could be made with a serious research program. But NASA puts millions into that every year without a major improvement. So I doubt it.

Do you want to pay for these?

The Law of Supply and Demand
Remember, the Free Market is controlled by the Law of Supply and Demand. So is the Economy.

And every politician knows that you can repeal and rewrite laws. So what is the problem with doing away with them?

What about who we're paying for oil?
I've been trying to understand this energy debate for a while and while I'm in favor of the free market there's one thing I keep running up against. America can't domestically produce all of the oil that we consume, so we import a lot it from the middle east, specifically from people like the Wahabi and Shi'a governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran. It cannot be beneficial for America to be paying so much money to these regimes. So maybe even if the free market isn't demanding alternative energy strongly enough now for many new user-friendly technologies to come out soon, government funding of research in this area might hasten the day that Americans can buy energy from other U.S. citizens rather than Saudi Arabia and Iran? I know I'd like that!

45cal
Howe about give us a link this magic electric car that will go 65 mph, have a 300 mile range, and uses normal batteries.

I simply find it hard to believe since a golf cart as light as it is will only get 30 miles at 25 mph.

Let's Talk About Political Realities
Stossel says, "If 'green jobs' make so much sense, the market will create them."

Of course Stossel ignores the fact that those markets he so loves do not operate freely in a political environment where the entrenched fossil fuel industry is determined to keep the gravy train going as long as possible and is willing to line the pockets of vision-free conservative politicians to make sure energy efficiency and renewables do not get too much in the way. That means adopting a moronic "drill, drill, drill" refrain (designed to allow the oil companies to lock up as much federal land as possible to exploit when the selling price goes even higher), continuing to claim global warming is a myth (or at worst, a modest threat), and portraying energy efficiency and renewables as "future" or "exotic" energy sources that can't possibly do the heavy lifting.

Green jobs
Throughout the primary season I kept wondering what green jobs means. Afterall, manufacturing windmills and photovoltaics is just old fashioned, energy intensive fabrication. Then I saw Bill Clinton explain it at a governor's conference. After he addressed the pressing problem of payday loans he talked of putting people to work retrofitting public buildings like schools for energy efficiency. Probably ACORN will be in charge LOL.

As usual
I only rarely see Mr. Stossel say something I don't agree with. And here he is, right again. So when do we get to see "none of the above" as a choice on the ballot. Then they have to hold the election over until someone actually wins a majority of votes. I'm voting "none of the above" until John Stossel runs.

drill, drill, drill
"That means adopting a moronic "drill, drill, drill" refrain (designed to allow the oil companies to lock up as much federal land as possible to exploit when the selling price goes even higher)"

Yeah, that's what they are doing because $150/bbl wasn't high enough to start drilling. Looks like they missed their chance. Gimme a break. Even at the prices of oil today I'm sure the oil companies would be drilling every inch of that oil soaked 65 million acres that you think they are waiting patiently for the price of oil to top $500/bbl.
The only people locking up land are the environmentalists who create lawsuits to file against the oil companies in order to halt exploration on the 65 million acres that they are leasing now.
But, hey, you're right....let's not allow the oil companies to drill because we NEED gas prices to top $5/gal as per Al Gore.

Molly
The USA buys almost no opil from Saudi Arabia and NONE from Iran.

The gov sghould get totally out of the energy buisness.

This is a green Heist !
This is no more than a Heist by the left to Control Capitalism meaning all major Business .
Now Polosi wants to give the big Three Auto makers 50 Billion dollars on top of the other BAIL OUTS the Govt is in charge of now !!!!!!
Green's are against anything that supplies all of our energy but wants to pay billions for dumb idea's .
That is the Job of Capitalist and the market place .

Manager of Economy
"You know, one of the things I believe in is a manager of the economy, is you should base your decisions on facts and not ideology."
Barack Obama

Central planning...he is going to manage the economy. Here's a man who never ran inasmuch as a lemonade stand, has no economic training and he is going to "manage" a multi-trillion dollar system. But of course, he will have his socialist lemmings to help him. A nightmare is thinking about the kind of staff and cabinet this man would have "guiding" the country.

U.S. richest in oil shale...
Excerpt Quote:
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/npr/publica tions/npr_strategic_significancev1.pdf

Strategic Significance of America’s Oil Shale Resource
Volume I
Assessment of Strategic Issues
March 2004 Final Report
Prepared for:
Office of Deputy Assistant Secretary
for Petroleum Reserves
Office of Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Reserves
U.S. Department of Energy, Washington, D.C.


Because of its magnitude and richness, oil shale in past years elicited more than a billion dollars in investment. Investment attractiveness is a necessary requisite of future development.
The unconventional resources of the U.S. oil shale and Canadian tar sands are larger than total world resources of conventional petroleum.

Oil produced from tar sands and oil shale will become increasingly attractive to supplement conventional crude supplies.
With a resource base of more than 1 trillion barrels, the United States has the richest deposits of oil shale in the world.
When developed, shale oil resources will be similar to Alberta tar sand. Between the two Countries, the United States and Canada will be able to claim the largest oil reserves in the world, and these reserves will support secure liquid fuels production for decades to come.

end excerpt quote...

U.S Oil Shale ban halts 1trillion bbls
QUOTE: http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=1c1a10c1-15 fd-4ad8-a426-b9a87f635903


The most startling Congressional prohibition on oil production concerns the ban on the development of oil shale in the Green River Formation. According to a Rand Study, this reserve contains over 1+ trillion barrels of oil, with 800 billion barrels recoverable, or 3 times the current oil reserves as Saudi Arabia.

The largest known oil shale deposits in the world.Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation of Colorado, Utah, & Wyoming, range from 1.5 to 1.8 trillion barrels. For potentially recoverable oil, we roughly derive an upper bound of 1.1 trillion & a lower bound of about 500 billion barrels oil. For policy planning, it is enough to know any amount in this range is very high. U.S. demand for petroleum products is about 20 million barrels per day. If oil shale could be used to meet 1/4 of demand, 800 billion barrels of oil
would last for 400 years.
end quote...

TIME TO DRILL.
Currently 80+ % of the Green River Shale, being under federal, state & tribal lands in Colorado, Wyoming & Utah, biggest by far oil-shale fields, are BLOCKED by Congress & the federal government from exploration/drilling.

100% of 19 million acres of ANWR are restricted, while the oil companies only ask for surface access to 2500-4500 acres which is 0.02%, leaving 99.98% UNTOUCHED, but we can not drill there either.

3/4 of offshore blocks are currently off-limits to oil & gas exploration.

We as a nation have from 120-400 years of potential oil reservs according to newer revised USGS & DOE studies...

An estimated 200,000-400,000+ high paying AMERICAN DOMESTIC EXPLORATION, PRODUCTION & SUPPORT INDUSTRY JOBS could be created in just a few years IF Congress would DROP the drilling/exploration bans & LET US DRILL...

This would also mean several BILLIONS in government royalties, fees & revenues from energy leases...

THESE ARE THE FACTS...

IT'S TIME WE GOT SERIOUS ABOUT OUR ENERGY INDEPENDENCE,ECONOMY & NATIONAL SECURITY.

TIME TO DRILL.

Sam T. Mullins
25+ years as an independent domestic exploration petroleum geologist.



Good article....
I agree with the economic principle you espouse here. Though it is not wholly applicable to Obama, to be fair. Now not all his "green jobs" are based on government spending, but also imagined stimulus in private green enterprise.

The issue with Obama is not about digging and filling holes, or the value of hurricanes to an economy. But the relationship of subsidies to business, and how they distort real market pressure.


Though at a philosophical level Stossel, you are dead on, however you need to get over this sort of Black and White old school, libertarianism. It isn't totalitarian states and free markets, but a weird blending, that we are dealing with.

This is not an absence of market forces, but it is a distorting. His policies will distort pricing, more than define and nationalize the market.




Sam T.
Well,sir, if anybody would know about how much oil we have, you would w/ 25 years as a petroleum geologist.

Market economies vs centralized planning
Thank you Mr Stossell for a very clear presentation of a very simple concept. Unfortunately this is a concept that we have to continually re-learn. The problem is that each time the Obama's of the world think they are just a little smarter than those that tried it the last time. "I have seen the future and it works." Lincoln Steffens, 1921 after visiting the Soviet Union in 1919.

Oil companies
will not be losing any money by increasing domestic drilling. That's because the cost to extract the oil themselves will be far less than the cost to purchase it overseas and transporting it here.

They will add their usual profit and probably a bit more. After all, we know the Saudis have a cost of about $4 a barrel to extract product from the ground. What does it cost U.S. companies? Even at 10 times that expense, they make money.

In addition, competition would be reintroduced into the oil market. Competition ensures less possible price gouging.

And I love and agree with SAM T about the massive job creation that would come from allowing increased domestic drilling.

And Vic - "...gov't should stay out of the drilling business..." AMEN!


Thank You Stossel
See folks this is what they call common sense, the Liberals/Socialist haven't invented a Government program to create this yet. We could sell them some of ours, the only problem is they would try to use our tax dollars to buy it.
Thanks John.

Obama is right again
Let's save the planet by preventing waste and limiting the amount of trash going into landfills. Stop buying the NY Times. It's carbon foot print is not worth it!!
Let's unite the 57 States behind this worthy plan.

Enumerated powers
The Constitution has no provision for make-work federal programs.
Instead it limits the federal government to only a handful of specific tasks.
Look it up on the web and read it.

It will open your eyes.

The Future of Energy
I just finished reading (listening to) 'Internal Combustion' by Edwin Black. It was a 16 hour book and while interesting, the first 15 hours was a tedious and well documented treatise on how corrupt energy providers have been from the Hostmen providing coal to pre-industrial England, to the King's land-use policies, to trains, to the corruption of the electric battery manufacturers, all the way to big oil supply manipulations, and then GM killing the trolleys and such. It is actually more about how businesses with their own special interests, are manifestly corrupt.

I am a true-blue (red?) right-leaning Libertarian-type who usually votes Republican, but reading this book reminds me of the fable of the Scorpion and the Frog where the scorpion promises not to sting the frog if the frog would carry him across the river on his back. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog dooming them both. The frog asks, while dying, "Why did you sting me?". The scorpion replies, "I'm a scorpion... it is my nature."

The final hour of the book really nails my thoughts about the future of energy. While the author believes in Global Warming, I feel that it is a bogus call for action. Like Bush's "Weapons of Mass Destruction", the reason to act is more complex than a simple bumper sticker statement.

http://the-asterisk.blogspot.com

The Future of Energy - Part Deux

The author talks about all of the alternatives, finally ending up with Hydrogen and the Honda FCX initiative (among others). He also underscores how lame our domestic manufacturers are (with their huge government grants), and how the foreign manufacturers (mostly in the US without gov't grants), like Honda, Toyota and BMW are set to clean American car makers' clock.

I have felt strongly about pure-play electric plug-in vehicles with a small gasoline backup generator, as being the 80% answer to our transportation needs, but after reading about the hydrogen vehicles (and their prospective use in powering homes), that is something to get excited about, as well.

Bottom line: have the government ensure a floor on energy prices so that investors will be willing to throw billions at the solutions (if it is through taxation, then that money should be used to develop infrastructure for the new technology), then get out of the way. Allow drilling to take away the immediate need for foreign oil, sic the SEC on the new companies and monitor them for malfeasance, watch the traditional energy companies like an eagle (don't put ANYTHING past them) and then just let the market work.

I won't feel sorry for Exxon, Chevron, Ford, GM, Chrysler or any old-school company that refuses to respond or adapt. Like Ford's refusal to sell a 65mpg Euro-car in the US because it is a diesel, the hell with them. Since they are burning through billions of dollars, why not just keep on keeping on? Maybe the Feds will bail them out too?

We citizens are totally powerless in this struggle. If McCain-Palin truly wanted to seal their legacy forever, THIS is the type of change that our country needs!

http://the-asterisk.blogspot.com

Re: Excellent article...
John you are a genius! More of this kind of explanation would enlighten many liberal minded voters to understand what is at stake when they would vote on an Obama/Biden ticket.
Hope you are successful in reaching the many misguided American voter population.

Stossel discusses the knowledge problem
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What we have in any system where government intervenes to direct an outcome in the private sector is what Austrian economists (notably von Mises, von Hayek, and their students) have characterized as "the knowledge problem."

Mr. Stossel notes the fact that Mocha Marvin's plan - and the only word suited to its description, pardon my lack of originality, is "arrogant" - fails automatically not only because it does not involve a true investment (thus breaking the important "negative feedback" cycle that tends to caution actors against intemperate decisions) but also because those who govern are simply not well-enough informed in market-sector relities to make successful decisions.

By definition, successful politicians are good at getting elected. That's their first priority, and every action they take is directed chiefly at achieving that purpose.

Second priority is getting re-elected, and third priority is getting elected to a position of higher power.

This does not make them good at "reading" other real-world matters and providing viable solutions. You'd be better off selecting your brain surgeon by how popular he is at the hospital Christmas parties than by choosing a President on the basis of how you expect him to manage the nation's economy.

Such a person can't do the job, and he isn't qualified even to select a team of certified and experienced experts to get it done.

His priorities simply aren't in accord with objectively optimum outcomes, but rather with those outcomes that serve him personally (and his political faction) best, and that is *NOT* what is necessarily good for the country in general or for you in particular.

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SJ Doc #55
I agree with your economics "lesson". Also, a 'good' politician is one that can consistently get elected. The trick is to make sure that the good politician is one that is also good for progress in our country.

Government should be environmental, that is, it levels the playing field, ensures fairness (in business dealings, not outcome), greases the skids, lowers taxes, removes barriers to entry and enforces laws. Then let a FAIR market do its work.

I just worry that big OIL or big AUTO or big SOMETHING ELSE will ramp up their lobbying and influencing efforts when they see the end of their ride coming with new types of energy and transport. THAT is where good governance and leadership can make a difference. I don't expect that sort of leadership from Obama. He has an agenda.

A Green Blessing.
It is not possible for us mortals to build something green. Instead we need the 150 bill plus the blessing of the Democrat Messiah.

Kind of sounds like he is picking his green friends to bestow more of the blessing on than the rest of us.

The whole thing missing in this foolishness is the most important part: The CUSTOMER!!!!

No Need No Sale. So if there aren't any consumers then these projects are guaranteed to fail and if they aren't then they don't need the blessings of government power to succeed.

WTF is a "digital electricity grid"?
Has anyone figured out what this political doublespeak is supposed to mean?

Electricity is analog in nature, supplied as alternating current, not as digital signals of ones and zeros or "on and off". It is utter nonsense meant to impress the illiterate to claim that making our electrical supply grid "digital" means anything.

eftheoilcompanies
It feels like there is "no need" for energy effecient products because we have things already that work fine and provide neccessities like transportation, food, etc. But you have to start somewhere and Obama is trying to do exactly that. If he left it up to the "people", we wouldn't be able to compete with the giant oil industry that is already trying to buy out (and shutup) small fuel alternative companies under the table. This is one of the many issues we need the government to help us out with (even if we THINK we can do it all by ourselves).
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