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Tuesday, May 12, 2009
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
Seven Issues Where the GOP Should Adopt the "Party of No" Label
by John Hawkins
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"A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'” -- William F. Buckley

During the first World War, Kaiser Wilhelm supposedly referred to the British troops as a "contemptible little army." The British soldiers, rather than ignoring the insult of their enemy, adopted the nickname of the "Old Contemptibles" and then proceeded to fight the Kaiser's men to a standstill until eventually the United States entered the war and the Allied Powers were able to march onward to victory.

There's a lesson there for the Republican Party.

The GOP has spent eight years fudging the differences between the Republican and Democrat parties. In large part, that's why the American people tossed the Republican Party out on its collective behind: given a choice between Democrats and Democrat-lite, they chose the real thing.

Now, after being referred to as "The Party of No," the GOP should embrace that label instead of running from it. Yes, we have plenty of solutions, but before they can be implemented, Barack Obama has to be stopped -- he has to fail. Wanting Barack Obama to fail is like wanting someone who's trying to beat your child to death with a shovel to fail. You want him to fail because you love your child and we want Barack Obama to fail because we love this country.

Towards that end, the Republican Party needs to clearly, loudly, and unambiguously say "No" to...

Closing Gitmo: We don't want to close a prison for terrorists without knowing what we're going to do with them. The idea that the President of the United States might actually release terrorists trained by Al-Qaeda into the general population of the United States, which is something Eric Holder has openly discussed, is beyond-the-pale. The President of the United States is supposed to keep terrorists out of this country, not bring them here.

The Government Running Banks: No more money for the banks, no more turning down attempts to pay back taxpayer money, and we need the government out of the banking industry as soon as possible. The GOP needs to be asking every day, EVERY SINGLE DAY, "When is the government getting out of the banking industry? Give us a date and the sooner the better."

New Taxes: Barack Obama has suggested the largest tax increases in American history, including a cap and trade tax that would dramatically damage the economy and cost more than $3,000 per family. Let the Democrats be the party that wants to take ever more money out of your pocket for ever more useless government programs without any Republican support. Let the Democrats drive up energy costs, drive corporations overseas, and hammer the poor and middle class with a huge new cap and trade tax without a single Republican backing their decision. Let the Republicans be the Party of "No" on new taxes.

Cutting Border Security: There are few more contentious subjects in politics than illegal immigration, but that's not true about border security. The American people overwhelmingly support securing our borders, so much so that every politician, even the most hard core amnesty supporters, proclaim that they're for securing the borders. So, that is one area where the Republicans shouldn't back down one iota in any way, shape, or form. Any attempts to cut spending, weaken our laws, or introduce an amnesty for the illegals that are already here before our border is secure should be a non-starter for the Republican Party from top-to-bottom.

Socialized Medicine: Does anyone believe that the very same man who is going to run a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, 4 times the size of the previous high, is going to reduce the cost of medical care? Of course not -- and we already have the best care in the world, so there's no way that Obama can improve the quality of medicine. Bringing armies of bureaucrats and hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations written by people who know nothing about medicine into our healthcare system -- when our country is already broke and deep in debt -- would be an utter disaster. Let the Democrats play political games with the American people's lives and let the GOP be the Party of "No" on the issue.

Bailouts: Just to be clear, there should be no more bailouts of any other American companies, under any circumstances -- and no TARP 2. The GOP may have supported the original TARP program, but even the Republicans who voted for it under Bush should be able to see the error of their ways at this point.

What Obama Has Done at Chrysler: Nothing good has come out of Obama's machinations in the auto industry, but it goes far beyond that with Chrysler. What he has done at that company is not just corrupt; it may merit him being put in a cell next to Duke Cunningham for the next few years. His administration wasted billions of dollars in taxpayer money, made threats against people who stood up to him, broke contracts, and gave his political allies in the union a special deal that made them majority owners of the company. A special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate what happened and -- if as it appears, Barack Obama crookedly used billions of taxpayer dollars to maneuver his political allies into power -- he should go to jail. What happened at Chrysler is not okay and Republicans need to be shouting that from the rooftops.

What it all comes down to is that we already have a socialist, soft-on-terror, anti-business, tax-and-spend, pro-amnesty-and-open-borders, anti-freedom party in Washington and there isn't much of a market for a slightly more moderate version of the political party that's destroying our country's future. The GOP needs to have the guts to stand on its principles, present clear contrasts, and take a page from Nancy Reagan by just saying "No."

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No to John McCain
We should have said "no" to John McCain, even after his rigged nomination. By not doing so Republicans have lost all credibility with conservatives.

In fact McCain should be thrown out of the Republican Party now.

Party of no
The GOP is the party of no

Precisely, the party of no ideas

Surprisingly, I agree with some of this.
After looking at the rest of the site, I was all but certain I was going to see some "Party of NO" action on gay marriage.

I hope that means that the GOP can be open on that issue, and other social issues.

Courage

Courage ... Courage ... And more Courage. This is needed to face the vicious Chicago Thug Man-Child in the White house. His prediliction for threats,law breaking, intimidation and Gangsta Thuggery are by now well known. Just look how he handled Chrysler. If the Republicans take this road, they'd better have very public body guards, clean records dating back to the Big Bang, and the realist sense to know even their families' health and welfare are at risk. Yes, I believe it is that bad.

The Second protects the rest

Hawkins aced it...
In my heart, I believe that a MAJORITY of my fellow countryman feel as I do, and shake their heads in wonder of what is happening today. For the last 8 years I kept waiting for the repubs to set things a'right, and they kept fumbling and bumbling like little school girls waiting for someone to take them to the prom. Denny Hassert? Should be in jail (or is he?) That bum from Mississippi Trent Lott? Isn't he related to Arlen Spector? Sure acted like it. Jorge Bush? With very few exceptions, it's hard to see where his conservative actions are (The only notable exception, and it is important, is the war on terror)

I would rather go down in flames, voting no "en masse" on the points Hawkins has illustrated, then this stupid waffling listening tour the last bunch of Bozos puked forth (are you listening to that, boy?) And John Mcshamnesty, don't retire. Let the good people of Arizona put your sorry butt out of politics in the primaries next year. What a pitiful excuse for conservatives the Republican party has served us over the last 20 plus years.

No-one likes a Mr. Negative
Problem we have here is just being completely negative is just not helpful. And the American people have just voted postivley for a specific programme of change.

Just saying No doesnt take you forward. Lets see positive solutions on proper conservative principals listed to these problems?


Party of No?
Conservatives have a solution for many of the issues but the MSM never prints or talks about them: 1 - Responsible exploitation of our natural resources. 2 - Nuclear energy. 3 - Fair tax bill (or start with lowering corporate income tax). 4 - Medical savings accounts. 5 - Going after those who hire illegals. Write your reps and your "news" media. There are many other sound ideas put forth but they get little play.

Amen,
Amen.

If the Republican party would start standing FIRMLY for this sort of principled objection to idiocy I might actually join it.

GOPs in Office Should Take Heed
Agree with Hawkins. Repubs like Cantor think we have to present counter-programs in order to fight Dems so that people won't think us obstructionists. Let's clean the house of vermin and roaches before we put new furniture in it.

Conservatives
WHAT ALL OF YOU MUST DO FROM NOW ON IS VOTE UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST EVERY BILL AND TAX THAT LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT GO ALONG TO GET ALONG WITH THE LIBERALS!!! DO NOT GO TO THEIR PARTIES!!! TOTALLY VOCALLY OPPOSE THE LIBERALS IN EVERY WAY, ESPECIALLY ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!!! THE LIBERALS ARE TRYING TO STICK YOU WITH PART OF THE BLAME FOR ALL THEIR FUTURE FAILURES; DON’T LET THEM DO IT!!! DO NOT CLAP WHEN OBAMA SAYS ANYTHING!!! JOINING LIBERALS IN ANYTHING IS SELLING OUT AMERICA!!! THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!! THEY ARE YOUR AND AMERICA’S WORST ENEMIES, AND WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO DESTROY BOTH!!! GET ALL THE RINO’S AND BLUEBLOOD COUNTRYCLUB ELITES OUT OF THE GOP!!!

You cannot stop their bills or even slow them down beyond calling for roll call votes for them. Make everything they pass totally theirs. What you will be doing is getting on record as opposing all the destructive liberal bills. They are trying to get you on the hook with them, so you can’t blame them fully. Why should money we give you to elect conservatives go to RINO”S like Specter (finally gone, yahoo), and McCain who spend all their time voting with the Democ-rats.

When all these liberal actions make things much worse, as they will, you can point at the record and show the people that none of you had anything to do with them, and that you had no control over their passage, that all this destruction was caused by liberals.

Seigfried...
...I did say "no" to John McCain.For the first time in my voting life {since 1956),I did not vote straight Republican.I voted for Bob Barr and the Libertarian party as my little protest.The Republicans can do what they want with that little bit of information.

If the Pubs nominate Sarah Palin in 2012,they will get my vote back,but I do NOT vote for vice-presidents!

Actually No on No
Before you embrace the power of "no" I would suggest a couple of things. One, the American people already had eight years of "no" from the GOP leadership. "No" on some sort of meaningful health care reform (many of us aren't picky as to what). "No" on advancing pro-family issues. "No" on fiscal responsibility (e.g. that horrid Medicare act). "No" on reigning in corporate bonuses and out of control banks. I could go on and on.

So Obama comes along and says "yes, we can." Naturally I am going to vote for him, rather than the GOP that can only say "No" without also offering workable solutions. Without some indication of real meaningful change I do not see myself voting for the GOP anytime soon. And I am a conservative.

"No" by itself looks more like stupidity at this point rather than successful politics.

Get a Spine, GOP
The paert of "No", Yes. The party of "no ideas", No. We must advance conservative, constructive ideas in the areas vital to our economy and defense.

Spelling
party, not "paert"

A Viable Alternative to Gitmo
If they're going to close Gitmo, at least send the enemy combatants to a prison island so they can't escape. Hmmm, an island with a working prison, near those who confer victimhood on Al Quida. And it generates federal jobs in an important congressperson's district. Welcome to Alcatraz.

FUNNY conservative here!
If you want to know how to beat Liberals, then check this guy out. http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/republican-solu tion-to-winning.html He is HILARIOUS!

The party of NO
That would mean we would stand for something. I would proudly bear that label. As any good parent knows, we have to first say NO to our children before we can tell them what they can do. That is just good sense. No to candy that will give you cavities and obesity. No to drugs (thanks Nancy) that will rot your brain. No to too much TV so you can do your homework.

Just say no
Absolutely right! I plan to fwd this article to all of the Politicians in my home state of Illinois and Obama's home state...the State of Corruption! Excellent article John. Thanx!
MAry
Illinois

Responsibility
The Democrats control all 3 branches of government. They do not need Republican support. The Democrats should bear the responsibility for all legislation that passes. They will get the credit if it works and the blame if it doesn't.

There are no excuses libs. Everything that is done that does not work will be clearly your fault. You own it.

It is time the American people see exactly what liberal policies will get you. You asked for it America and now you have it. No more excuses.

Tibby

Thanks, Kevin...
...for the Black Sphere site. Have it bookmarked.

If the Press will cover it ...
The Republicans can be the party of NO, but they can't just say NO without explaining why. I disliked Bob Dole because he would be against what ever the Democrats proposed and not say why. It always appeared that he opposed it because it was a proposal from the Democrats. He never explained what was wrong with the proposal or offered alternatives. The Republicans need to spell out specifics of WHY they say NO to all these things, and offer alternatives. I know they have offered alternatives and the press doesn't cover it and the Democrats ignore them because as they say, "We Won". The Republicans need to unify and have joint press conferences and explain why they are against bailouts, why they are against government run banks, government run health care, government run anything, higher taxes, government forced green energy, etc.
The problem is, the press is so slanted to the left, they will misrespresent the Republican positions, talk them down like they are stupid for proposing them or being against the leftist agenda and call them names. How stories are told affect how they are received. As long as the MSM is leftist, doing the RIGHT thing will be an uphill battle.

You Say Yes, I Say No
The party of "no" is really the party of "yes", as in "no" to the federal government controlling and regulating yet something else and "yes" to individuals having the power, freedom, and liberty to do things for themselves however they choose.

I believe that Sen. Jesse Helms was known as Senator "No". I can think of no higher compliment.

Dr. No!
The Republicans already have a Dr. No in their ranks, but they refuse to acknowlege him. Ron Paul is known as Dr. No because he votes NO on anything UNCONSTITUTIONAL and he will always explain why. I don't like the modern day Democrats under any circumstance but I once voted for Republicans just to get rid of the Democrats in my State. Now it seems that they have fallen into the old boy scheme of things and let's just get along.
As far as politics goes, neither party suits me,so I joined the Constitution Party. They think more along the lines that I do.
I believe the Republicans will not recover unless they pick a man like Ron Paul and that doesn't seem likely.
Wasting my vote? No! The people who vote for the lesser of two evils not only waste their vote, but vote for even more of the down fall this country finds itself engulfed in.

GOP
The Republicans biggest mistake is that the party adopted a "me too" policy instead of retaining the basic values resulted in a takeover of the House and Senate. The Republicans do not need another John McCain, and the Republicans do not need congressional candidates that think they can be almost liberals and win on personality. There was a book published in 1964 entitled A Choice, Not An Echo. Read it and learn.

skywalker81
Good point. I totally agree with the idea of the column, but you are right also. We need to articulate WHY we say no.

Crosstalk ~


“So Obama comes along and says "yes, we can." Naturally I am going to vote for him, “

“ And I am a conservative.”


Hahahahahahahahahah!


NO! You are not a Conservative.

Framing the discussion
I agree with Hawkins' positions on these issues, but I object to the whole concept of the GOP as the "Party of No."

Once again the left is succeeding in framing the issue and projecting their own inadequcies onto the GOP.

The DEMOCRATS are the "Party of No".

It was during the Bush Administration that this phrase was coined, and it was coined because the Democrats in the Senate repeated voted as a bloc to filibuster every serious initiative of the GOP.

The Democrats used the filibuster for 6 years to stop Bush and GOP from implementing REAL CHANGE. Then, two years later, the Democrat candidate runs for Prez on the platform of "Change" and now the GOP is accused being the "Party of No."

This is NO DIFFERENT than the fact that it was Democrats (for the most part) who owned slaves, Democrats who sustained segregation, Democrats who fought against equal rights for blacks (and women), Democrats who destroyed the black family with welfare, and yet today the left gets away with portraying the GOP as the party of racism even though the GOP was founded to end slavery.

As long as we continue to defend ourselves against the charge that we are the "Party of No" or, worse, attempt to justify it as Hawkins as done, however selectively, we will lose the public debate.

The Democrats are the "Party of No" whenever they're out of power. They invented it. They own it. Just like they invented and own slavery and racism in this country. Whenever they send that charge in our direction we should throw it back in their faces, as they deserve.

For Siegfried
"We should have said "no" to John McCain, even after his rigged nomination. By not doing so Republicans have lost all credibility with conservatives.

In fact McCain should be thrown out of the Republican Party now."

Amen, brother.

Three pronge strategy
1. Voice your opinion to the party:
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

Ask how can we afford this? Isn't this a ponzi scheme.

2. Support lawsuits like this that free up the constitution.
http://gunowners.org/op0641.htm

Lawsuits work if presented correctly and erode Central power. You don't have to believe in gun rights. You just have to believe in state rights.

3. Educate the community. Democracy is based on the individual. Educate the individual. Right now liberalism is winning because 12 years of public school system, mass media, and College professors. Even with all of those advantages they (Obama) still had to lie and say he was a moderate. With that much brainwashing and Obama still had to blatantly lie about his true intentions? Amazing. Perpetuating a lie takes more effort than the truth and is easily undone. Irrational thought takes a lot more energy than the commonsense and can be corrected. You just have to take the time to point it out in a manner that works. If you start out with "you are stupid" this doesn't work so much. This works better: "do you believe this works?" "Universal healthcare sounds wonderful, but did you know it's been tried in Europe with disastrous results. Try this website. Ask any European what they think about their healthcare."

SAY NO TO GARAFALO ON 24

.....GARAFALO "DOES" 24 ...

.....Just as I suspected when GARAFALO was made a regular cast member, the writers of 24 have a Liberal PC agenda ...just look at the drift to the Left this season ...

.....CTU is a discredited and disbanded unit ...

.....JACK is an outlaw rouge agent one step away from Federal Prison ...

.....GARAFALO puts down CHLOE and saves the day ...

.....JACK saves the good MUSLIMS who are being framed ...

.....The real enemies of America are Conservative neo-cons ...

.....Let's face it ...24 has become just another tool of the Liberal Indoctrination machine coming out of HOLLYWEIRD .....COLOSSUS

No is a positive message
Voting NO for spending money when the checking account is empty is a postive message. Its called Responibility. The same concept as good parenting.

THE ENEMY WITHIN

.....OUR COUNTRY IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF A FOREIGN NATIONAL ...A CITIZEN OF INDONESIA BORN IN KENYA ...

.....Hit the Streets on JULY 4TH to take our Country back ...if peaceful demonstrations and court actions by the States do not work then an armed revolution, an American version of the Viet Cong, might be necessary .....COLOSSUS

More interesting
It would have been more interesting to see the list of 7 issues on which Hawkins does not want the Conservatives to be the party of no. Do the conservatives have any actual constructive ideas?

That he thinks the economic policies of the last 8 years were the ones we should stick with is not exactly a shock.

Just Say No
"Just Say No" should be the Republicans rallying cry. When the Democrats call the Republicans the party of NO the Republicans should respond in kind. The Democrats are the party of YES...yes to higher taxes, yes to rationed healthcare, yes to lax national defense..and so on.

Priorities
I would not put Gitmo first.

Get it straight, Mr. Hawkins
"a cap and trade tax that would dramatically damage the economy and cost more than $3,000 per family."

You can't vote no on that one, because it's not even on the table. The bill you're referring to was shelved months, if not years, ago. The actual proposal by Obama costs maybe a fourth of that, and that's before most of the revenue is returned to the taxpayers, as planned.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/fy10-newera.pdf# page=129 (bottom of the page, under Climate Revenue)

If you want to say no, good for you, but it might help if you knew what you were saying no to.

Just say "NO!"
Just say "NO!" to a Kenyan-born impostor in the White House whose arrogance and deception is infinite.

Lon
John Hawkins thinks himself a patriot which he makes obvious when he compares Obama to a man beating your child with a shovel. While I have no doubts that he genuinely loves this country(as many of us do, even those of us unlucky enough to have at least one non-conservative thought or belief and have therefore been dubbed "America haters"), he sure doesn't show it. I understand that conservative principal is at odds with a lot of what Obama thinks. Does that mean conservatives should fall to the floor having a tantrum? It seems to me that he's acting a lot like a child(maybe the one that Obama is beating with the shovel).

There can't be nothing that Obama stands for that Mr. Hawkins and other conservatives can't find common ground with. Even those of us that abhorred President Bush could find a few things in which we could agree on. Instead, Mr. Hawkins promotes the growing desire of Republicans and some conservatives to have a national temper tantrum. Mr. Hawkins, if America wanted conservative principals to be running the country, they would have voted for them. Instead, I think the majority of Americans see conservatism as an extreme, something along the fringe in the same way see anarchists(not to compare or equate conservatives or conservatism to anarchy, just to compare groups and ideologies that are on the outside of general thought).

Eight years of Bush has created a huge divide in this country and has bred distrust of ideas that don't agree. Another 4 years of Republican and conservative obstructionism(or patriotism depending on which tea party attendee you ask) will only further divide the country. The beautiful thing about politics of decades past wasn't that they worked harmoniously together. It was that they disagreed but were still able to work together instead of having the public hissy fit that has become the Republican party.

baseballdoc
Is there any tinfoil left in the stores around your house or have you bought it all and horded it in your basement?

I Agree
Absolutely correct! I actually just wrote a similar column on my blog.

John Hawkins
Bulls eye...Great column!!!

Just a little FYI on new taxes...a tax on soda-pop is being proposed.. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html

When will the madness stop?

Reps. should say NO to all
Dems.' ideas.

No money for Acorn or Planned Parenthood in the *stimulus*

No to card check and the failing unions

No to any more deficits (now they're bigger again, because revenues are falling drastically by the month)

No cap and trade, a drag on any ec. and just a moneymaker for libs.

No to healthcare, designed to increase the unfunded $62 trillion we already owe Med. and SS, that doesn't exist and can't be borrowed, as China has said NO

No, to *diversity* radio in order to shut up Rush and Hannity

No, to the auto industries, which are going to die and take the AUW down with them, as only an idiot would now buy Chrysler or GM now, and GM has been ordered not to build SUVs and trucks, by the king elect, even tho' they are the vehicles that sell

No, to holding the banks hostage when they want to give up TARP monies, often forced on them so Geithner and the O cabal can socialize the financial system

No to ALL THAT SH*T.

Let dems defeat themselves
My representative in the House is Larry Kissell, who recently voted yes on the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Protection bill. I wrote him that if he won't govern as a patriot, neither should he govern in a self-defeating way that would give pedophiles (among 547 "phobias" and "isms" that another rep claimed would get "Hate - thought - Crimes" protection), and for those responsible for thought crime, it would be a felony as it is a Federal Law (due to hit the Senate today, I believe).

Yeah, I'm sure that oodles of Americans are all broke up about the trials and tribulations of pedophiles, but wait until it pops up in a campaign commercial. Will those in NC say, "That's my boy!" (Referring to Kissel, not a son.)

The dems have more than enough rope to hang themselves, so if the GOP would go back to the party of traditional American values, this works for the GOP in both instances.

But our GOP "solutions" group (yet another acronym) includes John McCain, who is part of the problem, not the solution. They can call or write me, but no money will be forthcoming for such clowns. Mike Steele can take a hike, too. Being black doesn't give him license to trash Rush Limbaugh, a major voice in the conservative arsenal.

Nate
which one of the liberats are you the gongbeater for?

Conservative obstructionism? Idiots like you continue to ignore the fact that the same jackasses that you are supporting, including osama, had the chance to change things in the last 2 years of the Bush regime, but did nothing! All they want to do now is employ spin doctors like you to deflect the blame off of them, so they can continue to line their pockets off of the taxpayers.

We're having the hissy fits? That's why Piglosi locked the doors to the House chamber so the Republicans couldn't enter while they rammed through their spending program.

Oh well, you are obviously just a robot, content to let Fat Boy Murtha insult you, while you pay for his private airport, let Piglosi have a military jet at her beck and call, pissin and moaning if she is inconvenienced and Chris Dudd getting sweet heart deals from Sallie Mae that you or I would never get.

No, baseballdoc sent all of that aluminum foil to your house, because you obviously need it!

John Hawkins
Beautiful article John.

I cannot find fault with a single word.

I agree with you 100%.

BBDOC
"it the Streets on JULY 4TH to take our Country back ...if peaceful demonstrations and court actions by the States do not work then an armed revolution, an American version of the Viet Cong, might be necessary .....COLOSSUS"

Do you really think a bunch of 60+ year-old "fist shakers" a revolution make?

As the Village Idiot once said: "Bring it on."

saying no is saying yes also
he echoes my sentiments exactly. i'm not a rep. but a libertarian but the socialists(formerly dems.) try to throw the same labels on all of us on the right. for too long they have gotten away with defining and labeling those of us who see their utopian view of society as a euphemism for dictatorship. it's time to stand up to them and time to stop worrying about offending their feelings(which is the one thing that irked me about the donald's press conference this morning, he and carrie were oh so worried about offending anyone, hey donald, man up), ah, maybe we should give them kittens in baskets to show them how warm and fuzzy we are. it's time the right grew a set and slapped these weasels down. they're really nothing but pussies who like spoiled children get away with as much as their parents let them. i can think of a lot more things to say no to, and yes the party of no i can live with, as long as we define what that means. i say, no to socialism, which is really saying yes to capitalism, freedom, less government intervention and getting thug-in-a-suit out of the white house.

voxoreason
With your tenuous grasp of reality and intolerance for opinions that are not your own, I predict you'll defeat yourself long before the Dems do.

Lon
These videos are UNDENIABLE PROOF, in living color, right out of the guilty Party's mouth, that years ago, Republicans tried to prevent the Banking Crisis. They show Democrats fighting to block Republican efforts and prevent regulation. Barney Frank had oversight of Freddy & Fanny.

http://barackswhitelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/oreilly-gets-f rank.html

Another video from 2004;
http://vodpod.com/watch/1038839-dems-refuse-to-reform-fredd ie-fannie-in-2004-video

Three more videos;
http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/09/government-engineered-mo rtgage-crisis-no-racism-here-move-along/

Near the end of this video, Bill Clinton admits Democrats are to blame for the Bank Crisis.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/memory_lane_lyn ching_franklin.html

Make you wonder what more important things Henry Waxman's, (D), Oversight Committee was doing?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/where_was_congr essmans_henry_w.html

The banking crisis was deliberately planned as a campaign strategy.
Even McCain tried to prevent it!
http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/john-mccains- 2006-warning-about-todays-financial-crisis

Notice how Obama is among those who blocked McCain's efforts;
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-tried-to-pass-2 005-law-to-fix.html

Obama was instrumental in causing the Bank Crisis.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/10/sleeper-cell-ac orn-obama-and-the-housing-crisis/

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html" target="_blank">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

And this is WHY!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html" target="_blank">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/the-cloward-piv en-strategy/

Chuck Schumer triggered the run on banks at the opportune time;
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/07/feds-cite-sc hum.html

Another Oregon
liberat heard from!

You freaking wimps couldn't stop it, because you'll have given your guns up to osama's secret police.

Lon
These videos are UNDENIABLE PROOF, in living color, right out of the guilty Party's mouth, that years ago, Republicans tried to prevent the Banking Crisis. They show Democrats fighting to block Republican efforts and prevent regulation. Barney Frank had oversight of Freddy & Fanny.

http://barackswhitelies.blogspot.com/2008/10/oreilly-gets-f rank.html

Another video from 2004;
http://vodpod.com/watch/1038839-dems-refuse-to-reform-fredd ie-fannie-in-2004-video

Three more videos;
http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/09/government-engineered-mo rtgage-crisis-no-racism-here-move-along/

Near the end of this video, Bill Clinton admits Democrats are to blame for the Bank Crisis.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/memory_lane_lyn ching_franklin.html

Make you wonder what more important things Henry Waxman's, (D), Oversight Committee was doing?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/where_was_congr essmans_henry_w.html

The banking crisis was deliberately planned as a campaign strategy.
Even McCain tried to prevent it!
http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/john-mccains- 2006-warning-about-todays-financial-crisis

Notice how Obama is among those who blocked McCain's efforts;
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-tried-to-pass-2 005-law-to-fix.html

Obama was instrumental in causing the Bank Crisis.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/10/sleeper-cell-ac orn-obama-and-the-housing-crisis/


And this is WHY!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the _strategy.html

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/the-cloward-piv en-strategy/

Chuck Schumer triggered the run on banks at the opportune time;
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/07/feds-cite-sc hum.html

08hayabusa
Exxxxcellent post!

Let's see how they try to weasel out of those facts!

Frey, better check your facts, dude. That return to the taxpayers is a credit against future tax returns. We will be re-paying it, so yes, the net cost per taxpayer will be $3,000!

Sorry to post twice
Some of the links didn't transfer correctly the first time.

This comes up a lot
Feel free to copy these links to refute the next Liberal.

Filibuster proof
Once Coleman is done behaving like a child and admits that he lost, the Dems will have a filibuster proof majority. You can be the party of "no" all you want.

Bring out the facts and Liberals
disappear.

With facts they can no longer obfuscate.

A new name
Per Buckley, let's call the Republicans the "party of stop" or the longer version "the party of stop and think what you are doing".

jeramy
But you won't be voter proof!

2010.

Stay the party of NO
The party better do something and soon or I am re-registering as an indepentant.

File treason charges on obama; yes you can do it! I am and think everyone who has ever had a thought that this guy isn't for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syma-WyW_P4

Re-Tea on the 4th.

I stopped reading here:
"In large part, that's why the American people tossed the Republican Party out on its collective behind: given a choice between Democrats and Democrat-lite, they chose the real thing."

This is a half-truth. Yes, America has soundly rejected the Bush version of conservatism (which isn't terribly conservative to begin with.) But let's face it: Had Barack campaigned to his real positions on issues, he wouldn't have won the election... he would have lost in a landslide. Obama got elected because of disaffection with republicans, economic woes, and because he has a cool way of saying nothing and sounding centrist. The reality is that he is ANYTHING BUT CENTRIST. But to win back the WH, the R's will need an appealing alternative.

jeramy
you stupid NY punk, you don't have a clue what's going on here, so STFU!

I consider Coleman more of a RINO, but Al Frankenturd and his ilk are the ones behaving like the incompetent morons that they are. Coleman is arguing, correctly I might add, that there are serious inequities in our election process, which is overseen by a liberat sucretary of State Iowidiot transplant (apologies to any conservative Iowans that may be out there), Mark bitchie and an equally liberat bunch of court jesters that attempt to pass themselves off as judges!

I won't even start on the fact that several historically liberat counties turned in more votes for Franken than there were registered voters in the county or the uncounted ballots found in car trunks, funny, they were all for Frankenturd, too.

My biggest outrage and fear is that there aren't more of my fellow citizens ticked off over this. Our legislature is in session right now ready to pass the biggest bunch of tax increases ever! Wow! Sound familiar?

The party of YES to more Freedom
It'd be nice if the Republicans adopted a pro-freedom agenda, and I'd like to see it. But they've shown they are for big government - I suppose to reward their campaign contributors. Dr. No (aka Ron Paul) has it right (also his foreign policy is right) as his stances promote freedom first among US citizens and by an example for the world.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber (Army special forces I presume), you have it wrong. Ron Paul doesn't advocate a weak foreign policy, nor would his policies have gotten us killed. Your idea that we should intervene in foreign countries is an invitation for others to intervene in ours: "that the national govt is there to take other nations to the cleaners on our behalf." By your standards, China should take us to the cleaners. And the fact that we did meddle in foreign countries (Iraq, Israel, Iran, Saudia Arabia, etc) was one of Bin Laden's biggest reasons for declaring war on us (see the 9-11 report http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf) In fact we provided many of the militants weapons when they were the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. We also supplied Hussein in Iraq. Our country exists to ensure our freedom, not that of foreigners in foreign lands. If you want to free foreigners, do it on your own dime and stop endangering our country. Just because a bunch of neo-cons think it's a good idea to invade other countries (so their stock in miliatry companies goes up) doesn't mean our military should support the idea.

Hawkins has it right on seven issues, but it's simpler to be for one issue: freedom. As for me, I'm voting Libertarian unless a candidate has shown he is dedicated to freedom first.

Butt-R-Head
"Problem we have here is just being completely negative is just not helpful."

Where is the negativity in this column? Saying "NO" in politics counts as action. It's a vote. A necessary vote.

"And the American people have just voted postivley for a specific programme of change."

"Programme"? FYI - Here in the US the word is PROGRAM.

And wake me when the "positive PROGRAM of change" begins. So far all we've seen is failed action.

"Just saying No doesnt take you forward. Lets see positive solutions on proper conservative principals listed to these problems?"

Neither does doing something just for the sake of doing something. The average homeowner wouldn't even CONSIDER enacting some of the economic and social policies into their own homes that OBLABA hopes to push-forth and onto our country, just for "change". Change for "change's sake" is NOT the way to go. One must think before one acts.


08hayabusa
I am quite familiar with your links to back up your arguments, BUT, just because your are using conservative opinions and skewed "factoids" doesn't make your arguments valid.

You need to get a grip. . .there is a very good reason why 56-60% of the Americans who voted in the last election, voted for Obama. . .they wanted a CHANGE from republican antics and mismanagement of the economy and government and relief from the high priced lobbist for the corporations. Obama was my second choice; but I am willing to give him a chance to clean up Dubya's mess. You should to. . .I don't like a lot to things, but what the writer of this dribble is doing is a continuation of the attitude that got the GOP into the minority status it now enjoys.

You go on being the party of NO; most of us will vote for something akin to YES, WE CAN. . .clean this mess up and bring sanity back to our daily lives.

Lying Alice
"You need to get a grip. . .there is a very good reason why 56-60% of the Americans who voted in the last election, voted for Obama"

52 Percent. One percent higher than George Bush. There is no way he will be able to maintain that lead come next election.

"I don't like a lot to things, but what the writer of this dribble is doing is a continuation of the attitude that got the GOP into the minority status it now enjoys."

No, the GOP is doing precisely what it should have done in the first place, and thus wouldn't be in the minority on Capital Hill. That is, keep spending under control.

"You go on being the party of NO; most of us will vote for something akin to YES, WE CAN. . .clean this mess up and bring sanity back to our daily lives. "

YES WE CAN YES WE CAN YES WE CAN YES WE CAN YES WE CAN. Zombie. What "mess" we are in is the result of Republicans not saying no to out of control spending, and government interferance. In other words, ACTING LIKE LIBERALS!

An Instinctive Gesture of Reciprocal Lik
"Do you really think a bunch of 60+ year-old "fist shakers" a revolution make?"

Funny, but the Phoenix Tea Party had people of all ages and ethnicities. I myself am 27. Here is any idea, why don't you go check out the next one closest to you, instead of getting your news from Garafalo?

"As the Village Idiot once said: "Bring it on.""

At least you are being honest.

Bruce
Are all republicans in MN such whiny, sore-losers??

Re: Actually No on No
Don_cos
NO! You are not a Conservative.

I am sorry I did not make this more clear. My vote for Obama was punitive vote against the Republican party for their wild abandonment of not only the things they supposedly stood for, but also for their 8 years of simply bad decisions and bad government. Also, I am officially an independent so I have no loyalty to the Republican party (nor Democrats). But I certainly identify with social conservative ideas. But even the GOP failed/fails in this area.

The other part of my decision to vote for Obama was that he said he would do something about health care. Another issue that the GOP fails miserably at. No, I do not think that medicine should be socialized any more than the interstate freeway system is and I like the idea of a single payer system *a lot*. But the GOP does nothing but flap their corporate whored lips around this issue. The status quo simply *is not* acceptable any more. And saying that the system is not broken means that you either have not been sick or work for the insurance companies.

So embrace no all you want. Until the GOP can come up with workable solutions what they have to say amounts to nothing more than street noise to me.

crosstalk
If you are telling the truth, that you are a complete idiot. That is exactly what someone who claims to be a conservative, but votes for the most radical candidate in our history is.

You didn't punish the GOP with your vote, you punished America.

"But I certainly identify with social conservative ideas."

So again, you voted for the most radical person in regards to that issue.

"The other part of my decision to vote for Obama was that he said he would do something about health care. Another issue that the GOP fails miserably at. No, I do not think that medicine should be socialized any more than the interstate freeway system is and I like the idea of a single payer system *a lot*."

If you were a true conservative, you would have educated yourself on the absolute, universal failure that is state run, single payer medicine.

You really are the Useful Idiot, aren't you?

jeramy
no more so than you liberat criminal tax cheats and elections thieves.

Obama Failing
The Republican Party doesn't need to do a thing to help Obama fail. He is doing that all on his own. If anything, they can vote Yes on every issue and he will certainly fail.

The problem is WHEN will he fail and be seen as a failure by most of his worshippers? I suspect about two more years before it soaks through that Obama is destroying the United States, not saving it.

Every idea he is trying has already been tried several times - and they have failed every time they have been tried. (For those of you liberals who might argue that we've never tried whatever, it HAS been tried either on a state or other national level.) Medical care, for instance, is "free" in many European countries - except they get poorer care, it is rationed, it takes longer to get it, and it costs about five times as much as it presently does here. That - to me at least - spells failure. When everyone but the welfare recipients who pay no tax anyway find out just how much it is costing them, we can see the beginning of the end.

The only REAL chance Obama has of staying in power is to do the same thing Stalin did - and that does worry me.

Eutopia
What is "eutopia"?

To a conservative it is being free to do what you want with as little government interference as possible while paying as little tax as possible.

To a welfare recipient it is laying around the house or pool hall and collecting enough money to buy whatever they want.

To a liberal it is the perfect picture of everyone getting everything they need or want at all times regardless of what they do to earn it.

To Democrats and Republicans, it is getting reelected every time and buying the votes to pay for it all while being allowed to do anything else their sick minds can come up with without interference by the idiots that give them the money.

bruce
In your opinion, we are election thieves; in the courts' opinion, you are a cry-baby. Now who's decision, yours or the courts', will become precedent?

By the by, some might think it strange for a republicans to call democrats "election thieves" after what happened in 2000. If you guys didn't cheat then, think of all the terrorist attacks, wars, and economic crises we could have avoided.

You are just crushed because your golden boy got defeated by a comedian, literally a laughing stock. And instead of handling the situation with the maturity of a big kid and admitting the obvious, you [and Coleman] are behaving like sniveling little cry-babies. Go cry in your beer and grow a pair.

The Party of NO Label
No Republican should stand for any of those liberal ideals that the democrats have done in that article.
We should have the courage to go against them, and IF our own people in D.C. side with them, they should be booted out.
If we are to grow again as a party to return to getting this mess turned around to be a stong and safe nation again, then we must PURGE our own.
I am like Sarah Palin. I will be fighting for good people who have high morals and values who want to turn my state and my nation around, at the expense of the "good ole boys" in office.
When we are purged of the bad, then we can attract new young people who want to make a difference and see the corruption and will not succumb to it. If they do ;down the road hopefully we can get others to take their place. We must always be like Ronald Reagan and fight for what is right for the people, the world, and not let American be taken advantage of like a loser nation that used to be strong.

jeramy
"By the by, some might think it strange for a republicans to call democrats "election thieves" after what happened in 2000."

More of this "stole the 2000 elections" nonsense? If we were so good at steeling elections, you would be on here complaining about President McCain.

"If you guys didn't cheat then, think of all the terrorist attacks, wars, and economic crises we could have avoided."

If you think Gore could have stopped 9/11 you area complete idiot. He would have sent troops into Afghanistan, and he probably would have rode the momentum into Iraq as well, considering that Dems read the SAME INTEL AS BUSH!

Our economy wouldn't have been any different. Bush at least TRIED to deal with the Mae/Mack fiasco. Gore wouldn't have. If anything, he would have pursued his envirocultist agenda, and the morons in congress problably would have gone along with it, which probably would have set us up for an even worse economic situation.

He wouldn't have approved any kind of enhanced interogation techniques, so there would have been probably more terrorist attacks on our soil.

Wow, looking back, thank God Gore didn't get elected.

And you libs are the last people to tell ANYONE to stop complaining, when that is all you did the past eight years. Heck, that is all you still do, including your boy king.

Adelle
GREAT POST!

Baradiel
Not even the sniveling cheats in the GOP could have made it seem like McCain one... I mean common man, nobody would have ever bought that. But who knows, maybe they did rig the election, maybe Obama won by even more of a landslide.

Gore, like most people with a high school diploma, would have had a little pause before invading a country based on the uncorroborated testimony of a tortured Russian prisoner. And Gore, being a high school graduate, surely wouldn't have began a war without an exit strategy.

Bush, and his GOP allies in congress, dramatically slashed the regulatory structure in the SEC -removed the economic levies if you will- ensuring that when the next bubble -when the next storm hit-, it would be a catastrophe.

In the past eight years, the GOP white house and GOP congress (for the first six years) devastated the American way of life. You made a mess of our country, and now we have to clean it up. So while we fix your mistakes, we ask that you keep the whining to a minimum. Thank you in advance.

Hmm
So everyone is accusing everyone else of being a cheat, a liar, an idiot and generally hardhearted. Too much looking around and not enough looking up beyond the artificial lite. And definitely way too much compromise. Conservatives are not conservative because you don't know what to do with or how to treat your liberal friends and family. So you acquiesce when it comes to morals and values. And then you wonder why your elected officials act like wolves in sheeps clothing. They do what gets them elected and re-elected. Duh. There is no cohesion and no agreement among conservatives because the foundation of conservative thought, belief and life(Jesus) has been thrust out of private life and replaced with self. Liberals aren't godless its only that conservatives have adopted the liberals version of god. Namely self. There is only one Solution and until He becomes Lord of you, nothing is going to change for Good. You'll all just continue in endless bickering.

jeramy
If All GOO Gore is so brilliant, why did he FLUNK OUT of every grad school he ever attended?

Jeremy
"Not even the sniveling cheats in the GOP could have made it seem like McCain one... I mean common man, nobody would have ever bought that. But who knows, maybe they did rig the election, maybe Obama won by even more of a landslide."

He won by three percent. That's it.

"Gore, like most people with a high school diploma, would have had a little pause before invading a country based on the uncorroborated testimony of a tortured Russian prisoner. And Gore, being a high school graduate, surely wouldn't have began a war without an exit strategy"

You really think Gore would have had a different Idea than the likes of H. Clinton, Kerry, Biden, etc?

And we didn't torture anyone, nice try though. There was also the fact that Iraq had violated multiple UN mandates. There were more reason we went in besides WMDs.

"Bush, and his GOP allies in congress, dramatically slashed the regulatory structure in the SEC -removed the economic levies if you will- ensuring that when the next bubble -when the next storm hit-, it would be a catastrophe."

Your dem freinds forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't pay. Bubbles burst, there is no stopping that. But the government encouraging irresponsible behavior doesn't help.


Jeremy 2
"In the past eight years, the GOP white house and GOP congress (for the first six years) devastated the American way of life. You made a mess of our country, and now we have to clean it up. So while we fix your mistakes, we ask that you keep the whining to a minimum. Thank you in advance."

Mess of our country? Really? You are aware that Bush inherited a recession, right? The budget surplus was a result of the GOP congress dragging Clinton to the table, it wasn't him. We also had job growth for much of his administration.

What mess exactly? Did I miss the miles and miles of homeless living in tent cities all over the country? Did I miss the gas shortage and rationing? Did I miss the battles in the street? Did I miss the IEDs along I-10? Did I miss the double diget unemployment? Help me out here, I was in Iraq and Afghanistan alot over the past eight years, so maybe all those things happened while I was deployed.

SFA1973
"If All GOO Gore is so brilliant, why did he FLUNK OUT of every grad school he ever attended?"

SHHHHHHHHH!

Gore is super smart. That is how he invented the internet and global warming.

Bush was the dumb one, remember? Thats why he hasn't released any of his college transcripts...oh wait....

Baradiel
"You are aware that Bush inherited a recession, right? ... We also had job growth for much of his administration."

How could Bush have inherited this recession if it happened DURING HIS EIGHTH YEAR? He inherited a budget surplus, he left us in tathers.

"What mess exactly? Did I miss the miles and miles of homeless living in tent cities all over the country? Did I miss the gas shortage and rationing? Did I miss the battles in the street? Did I miss the IEDs along I-10? Did I miss the double diget unemployment?"

When Phil Gram tried this rant, it seemed to me that most Americans didn't agree with him.

"And we didn't torture anyone, nice try though."

We didn't torture him, the Russians did.

"There was also the fact that Iraq had violated multiple UN mandates."
The international rules of engagement do not afford a country the right to invade merely because the offending country violated UN mandates. UN mandates are not enforcable militarily, they can only be enforced financially, and through trade sanctions.

"He won by three percent. That's it"
Obama got 69.5 million and McCain got 59.9 million out of a possible 131.1 million votes. This give Obama 53.1% and McCain 45.7%. McCain lost by over 6% which is substantial in a presidential race.

jeramy:
The economy was slowng and going into recession in 1999, and was there by 2000. Look it up.

BTW, that surplus you keep crowing about was imaginary.

Baseballdoc
Got a republican survey in the mail today. Of course they wanted a contribution so I wrote a little note. I have donated to the national level and local before and will do so again as soon as the party gets back to its conservative roots. I will donate when it is no longer hard to tell the difference between democrats and republicans. Anymore both are so liberal there is no distinction. Please take what I write to heart as I have voted republican since 1968 and would like to continue to do so. I can assure you, I am not alone in my feelings.
I don't know if my note will do any good, but a copy will be sent to my local headquarters also. Do you agree?

Jeremy
"How could Bush have inherited this recession if it happened DURING HIS EIGHTH YEAR? He inherited a budget surplus, he left us in tathers."

I didn't say he inherited THIS recession. YOu seem to be confusing our economy with the budget.

"When Phil Gram tried this rant, it seemed to me that most Americans didn't agree with him."

So you can't answer me on that? Where was this great disaster?

"We didn't torture him, the Russians did."

You honestly think that was the only intel we acted on?

"The international rules of engagement do not afford a country the right to invade merely because the offending country violated UN mandates. UN mandates are not enforcable militarily, they can only be enforced financially, and through trade sanctions"

That must be why the UN went along with the invasion. We didn't act unilaterally.

"Obama got 69.5 million and McCain got 59.9 million out of a possible 131.1 million votes. This give Obama 53.1% and McCain 45.7%. McCain lost by over 6% which is substantial in a presidential race."

You are inflating numbers. Obama got 52, McCain got 48. Nice try.

jeramy:
You might want to learn a little a history before making such statements as:

The international rules of engagement do not afford a country the right to invade merely because the offending country violated UN mandates. UN mandates are not enforcable militarily, they can only be enforced financially, and through trade sanctions"

There are 36,576 Americans who died fighting in a UN mandated War. Now go find out which one.

alice

I am quite familiar with your links to back up your arguments, BUT, just because your are using conservative opinions and skewed "factoids" doesn't make your arguments valid.

You need to get a grip. . .there is a very good reason why 56-60% of the Americans who voted in the last election, voted for Obama. . .they wanted a CHANGE from republican antics and mismanagement of the economy and government and relief from the high priced lobbist for the corporations. Obama was my second choice; but I am willing to give him a chance to clean up Dubya's mess. You should to. . .I don't like a lot to things, but what the writer of this dribble is doing is a continuation of the attitude that got the GOP into the minority status it now enjoys.

You go on being the party of NO; most of us will vote for something akin to YES, WE CAN. . .clean this mess up and bring sanity back to our daily lives.

===============================================
If you are aware then that the economy is not the problem of Capitalism but the problem of government interference, why in the hell would we agree to more interference to the projected tune of 1.85 Trillion Dollars?
That's like trying to put out a forest fire with gasoline rather than flame retardant and then just hope for the best.

You can not get out of debt by borrowing more money?

And with Acorn's involvement, how do we truthfully know he got 56-60% of the vote legally. Don't you see problems with everything about this man?

Show me one respectable person or some respectable achievement in this man's life and I'll shut up.

sfa1973
That would be Korea.

08hayabusa
True.

Baradiel
You've got quite a good head on your shoulders for someone as young as yourself. Keep up the good work. Our nation needs young people like yourself instead of what's been coming out of our Liberal universities.

And by the way, thank you for your service to America in the middle east. Military duty has a way of making a man see the more important things in life. I gained that perspective from duty in Vietnam.

08hayabusa
And by the way, thank you for your service to America in the middle east. Military duty has a way of making a man see the more important things in life. I gained that perspective from duty in Vietnam.

I gained it during the Cold War playing chicken with the Soviet Navy.

jeramy
I can almost hear Katie Couric when you rant.

All I hear from you are MSM soundbites.

You know Google is really an effective tool for information.

Or do facts interfere with your vision for the world?

sfa1973
Well thank you for your service too.

Re: Actually No on No
Baradiel;
"If you are telling the truth, that you are a complete idiot. That is exactly what someone who claims to be a conservative, but votes for the most radical candidate in our history is....You didn't punish the GOP with your vote, you punished America."

As opposed to the previous 8 years of "punishment"? And the whole tired Bush inherited blah blah blah nonsense simply does not work. Normally I would take offense at being called an idiot, but I am too busy giggling over the thought that somehow voting for the GOP is good for America. I doubt as flaming liberal Obama may be, he would not be any more so than Clinton was. And I know countless people who yearn for a return to the Clinton days. Not that the GOP congress was any less to blame.

I guess what I am saying is that your arguments simply do not affect me or countless other "swing" voters. Nor do all the attacks on Obama that started the day after he took office. I suppose the cult of Limbaugh will keep the drone going, but without any substance backing it up (you know, stuff the GOP should have been addressing when they *were* in the majority) they amount to nothing more than turd-tossing monkeys.

If the GOP was serious about getting this social conservative's vote, they could find a way to bring up for a vote and cancel the DC's council vote to recognize gay marriages. Let's start with that. They have less than three weeks.

crosstalk
Yes, I called you an idiot, because that is what you are.

If you don't think Obama is more of a liberal than Clinton, then you area complete fool. I am under illusion that the GOP is a bunch of saints, but at least with them, we have somewhat of a chance to get conservative ideals pushed, and liberal ideals defeated.

You cut off your nose to spite your face, nothing more. You are even worse than a liberal.

Alice
"You need to get a grip. . .there is a very good reason why 56-60% of the Americans who voted in the last election, voted for Obama. . .they wanted a CHANGE from republican antics and mismanagement of the economy and government and relief from the high priced lobbist for the corporations."

-27.8% of the eligible populace voted for 0.
-51.3% of those who voted, did so for 0.

"Obama was my second choice; but I am willing to give him a chance to clean up Dubya's mess. You should to. . .I don't like a lot to things, but what the writer of this dribble is doing is a continuation of the attitude that got the GOP into the minority status it now enjoys."

-What mess? The mortgage issue? Started, strengthened, and completely owned by Democrats. Starting with the creation of Fannie Mae by FDR. James Earl Carter and William Jefferson Clinton are equaly culpable.

"You go on being the party of NO; most of us will vote for something akin to YES, WE CAN. . .clean this mess up and bring sanity back to our daily lives."

Yes, you can, run up the greatest defecit and debt in history. Yes, you can, make America the weakest it has ever been. Yes, you can, deny the fact that liberal policies have NEVER worked. Yes, you can, move America towards some delusional eutopia of socialism.

Over my dead body. I am sworn to support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, both foreign AND domestic.
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