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Monday, March 02, 2009
Frank Turek :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sleeping with your Girlfriend
by Frank Turek
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My friend David has a knack for cutting through the smokescreens people throw up when they’re trying to avoid making commitments, be they commitments to God or to other people. Last week, with one comment, he blew away all the smoke that a young agnostic was hiding behind. It was a demonstration of tremendous insight, and it required some courage to say.

For several weeks David was teaching through a series on Christian apologetics, which involves providing evidence for the truth of Christianity. In addition to the biblical mandate to provide such evidence, David thought it would be wise to do so because 75 percent of Christian youth stop attending church after age 18. Many of them abandon the church because they’re bombarded by secularism in college and they’ve never been taught any of the sound evidence that supports Christianity.

Last week, after David finished a presentation refuting the “new atheists”—Dawkins, Hitchens and the like—a young man approached him and said, “I once was a Christian, but now I’m an agnostic, and I don’t think you should be doing what you’re doing.”

“What do you mean?” David asked.

“I don’t think you should be giving arguments against atheists,” the young man said. “Jesus told us to love, and it’s not loving what you’re doing.”

David said, “No, that’s not right. Jesus came with both love and tuth. Love without truth is a swampy, borderless mess. Truth is necessary. In fact, it’s unloving to keep truth from people, especially if that truth has eternal consequences.”

David was absolutely right. In fact, if you look at Matthew chapter 23, Jesus was more like a drill sergeant than he was like Mister Rogers.

But the young man would have none of it. Without acknowledging David’s point, he immediately brought up another objection to Christianity. David succinctly answered that one too, but again the kid seemed uninterested. He fired a couple of more objections at David, who began to suspect something else was up—something I’ve noticed as well.

I’ve found that the machine-gun-objection approach is common among many skeptics and liberals. They throw objection after objection at believers and conservatives but never pause long enough to listen to the answers. It doesn’t matter that you’ve just answered their question with an undeniable fact—they’ve already left that topic and are rattling off another objection on another topic as if you hadn’t said a word. They don’t really seem interested in finding answers but in finding reasons to make themselves feel better about what they want to believe.

After all, a skeptic of one set of beliefs is actually a true believer in another set of beliefs.

David recognized that’s exactly what was happening in his conversation. So after the kid fired off another objection, David decided to end the charade and cut right to the heart. He said, “You’re raising all of these objections because you’re sleeping with your girlfriend. Am I right?” Continued...

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Frank Turek is the award-winning author or coauthor of three books including Correct, Not Politically Correct: How Same-Sex Marriage Hurts Everyone and I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. His TV show airs Mondays at 8 pm ET on DirecTV, Channel 378. To learn more visit www.CrossExamined.org.
 
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What you fail to consider is that it is not God that people object to, but the people who won't stop trying to use a fictional entity to shoehorn bad ideas into biology classes, stifle important biomedical research and medical procedures, and impose outdated and often misogynistic notions of morality on other people. If I repeatedly walked up to you and said uncomplimentary and untrue things about your mother, you would surely rile in short order. Would your anger be proportional to the truth of my ramblings?

The "New Atheists" you mention are not angry at God. In fact, they are not angry, period. I've seen all of them speak, and they have compelling things to say. They list implacably the numerous gaping holes in scripture, including the notion of a flat earth and countless other things that can be neatly accounted for by the fact that the Bible is not divinely inspired, but a product of the state of human knowledge thousands of years ago.

3. Finally, how does the fact that the kid was sleeping with his girlfriend in any way invalidate whatever his arguments were--or those of Dawkins et al.? There is no logical connection. (It seems clear that the account you mention was crafted for demonstrative purposes and never actually occurred, but that is beside the point.) Even were this kid motivated by guilt to abandon Christianity and look into the debunkings of same, this has no correlation to the truth or falsity of his claims.

That's all. I suggest that in a follow-up post you list, in as succinct a manner of possible, the various rock-solid facts standing as evidence for God. I will remind you that every other religion has them, and that for you to claim that Christianity is somehow superior constitutes special pleading borne of your happening to be born in the United States.

http://www.scienceblogs.com/bushwells

A bad, tired set of arguments for God
Hi, Frank. A few questions and points.

1. You repeatedly assert that there is all sorts of evidence for God. If this is the case, why has no one presented it? "Metaphysical argumentation" hundreds of years old is kind of shaky, isn't it? And why, if there is so much evidence, must Christianity invoke "apologetics" at every turn? There is no other body of human knowledge for which apologetics is a necessary source of support besides religious doctrine. Have you never asked yourself whether something fueled by heated, full-scale, and continual denial of counterarguments and indictments of clear Biblical contradictions and absurdities might just be wrong? And please don't say that these objections have been "asked and answered," because were this the case, the challenges woud have ceased long ago. And please don't insist that people are simply refusing to let God into their hearts, because that is senseless. Why would people reject something so promising if there were a shred of merit to it?

2. You claim that the fact that people dispute the existence of God, often vehemently, implies that God must exist, or else they would have nothing to argue against. Do you really not see the gaping holes in this? Do you deny the existence of Allah, Vishnu, Baal, and any of the other hundreds of gods I can name? KIds at Christmas often rail against Santa when they don't see what they want under the tree. Does this validate Santa's existence? What about odious figures such as Darth Vader, Gollum, and Jar Jar Binks? Are they real? After all, I can not only conceive of them, I can dislike them.
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