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Friday, May 15, 2009
Floyd and Mary Beth Brown :: Townhall.com Columnist
Britain is Now the Savage Nation
by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown
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American talk show host Michael Savage is banned from entering the United Kingdom. "You've got to be kidding!" was our first thought when we heard this news. But it's no joke. Michael Savage has strong opinions, but he is certainly no terrorist. Yet his name is lumped together with leaders of a Russian skinhead gang who are serving jail time for murdering 20 people, Hezbollah, Kashmiri terrorists, assorted Muslim and Jewish extremists plus a neo Nazi.

On the air for the past 15 years any talk host will undoubtedly make a few comments that offend people, but Savage has certainly never incited anyone to violence. Savage is very successful, reaching an audience of 8.25 million listeners each week. But all Americans should be outraged that the British government has placed him on their 'least wanted' list, banning him from entering the country. This is a blatant assault on freedom of speech.

Since 2005, the U.K. has been able to ban people who promote hatred, terrorist violence or serious criminal activity. On May 5, Britain's Home Office released the names of 16 of the 22 individuals who have been placed on the list since October of 2008. The report describes Savage as: "Controversial daily radio host. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behavior by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence."

"This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country," said Home Secretary Jaqui Smith about Savage.

To place a successful talk host like Michael Savage on the same list as radical Muslim clerics, convicted criminals, and Russian skinheads is beyond outrageous. Yet we hear not a peep being said by the U.S. government and mainstream media in defense of Savage against this outrage.

Instead of fighting this unjustified attack against an American citizen, the Obama administration is preparing to mimic the British. Reading the language of the Home Office's release, we couldn't help by see an uncanny resemblance to Janet Napolitano's Homeland Security Report that classified conservatives as extremists. The liberal thought police are on the prowl in London, and the media and the Obama administration are silent and implicitly supporting the British.

Can you imagine the outcry and fervor that this travel ban would cause if it had included a leftist talk host such as Rachel Maddow? The media would be up in arms, and the Obama administration would immediately be on the phone with British diplomats to get an explanation. So why is that not happening in the case of Michael Savage?

Evidently in the U.K. it is OK to blacklist a white male conservative, if you so much as utter a word of opposition to illegal immigration, homosexuality, or Islamic terrorists. Michael Savage sent a letter to Secretary of State Clinton asking her to plead his case; we doubt that she will listen. He is also suing the British government for defamation for grouping him with all the legitimate criminals and terrorists and "painting a target on my back." Legal experts estimate he has a decent case.

In his defense on the air Savage said, ""I have never advocated violence. . . I've been on the air for fifteen years, three hours a day, five days a week -- fifteen years. They [Savage's critics] take a few sound bites that amount to one, two, or three minutes and they try to redefine me by extracting sound bites out of context. I could do that with anyone in the public eye."

The mainstream media and the Obama administration are neglecting their duties by not defending Mr. Savage. As much as they may be disagree with Savage's opinions, this type of censorship and blacklisting is threatening everyone's freedom of expression. As Roger Hedgecock says, "The British government action barring Michael Savage is a frightening preview of what we can expect in our own country as the PC police shut down the voices of dissent."

If these attempts to intimidate and censor people for their viewpoints are not combated now, freedom of dissent may become a memory.

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Hmmm
Given that ridiculous excuse by this Home Secretary Jacqui whoever, I wouldn't be surprised that had she been in power during W W 2 and perhaps earlier, Winston Churchill would be on her list.
The England my family immigrated from isn't the England of today..they'd be ashamed to be called
English to see what's happened to the land they
were born in. The England they were proud to be part of was the England that stood up in the face of not very good odds, and shook their fists in "jerry's' face; these days I doubt if there are enough REAL Englishmen that would do what Churchill said they'd do..fight them where
ever they dared invade and to the death. These days they roll over and piddle on themselves
(at least the socialists do) whenever a middle easterner complains. 1000 years of Christianity, and history of free people slowly
boiling in the pot with the frog.

obama, the fraud and imposter,

is most likely a foreign spy. This explains his policies that are designed to reduce the U.S.A. to a third world country that would be too weak to resist the take over by whomever holds obama, the fraud and imposter's, true loyalties.

It also explains why he will never be a defender of free speech since that is part of the essence of America.

Any push
To choose who can speak and who cannot will push this country over the edge into something more than just speech.
They had best leave it alone

sheesh!
If we keep punishing people for their free speech, what's next? Gay people getting fired from the military if they say "I'm gay"?

Oh, wait.

This is suprising to anyone?
We're about 5 years behind Britain is socialism, so figure he'll be outlawed here, with no free speech in 2014 or so

the messiah and free speech
we are all aware the messiah can't stand any criticism concerning his life, his lack of achievements, his association with terrorists and haters of america and especially anyone who questions his ignorance of history and economics.

As he has shown he takes childish delight watching his allies trash any of his critics. So much for his pledge to change the climate in dc and to put the politics of personal destruction behind him.

But rather than dispense with childish things, it seems the messiah has to prove he is more of a teener than an adult.

But it seems the adulation from the left, undying love from the msm and the troll;s prostrating themselves in his presence isn't enough.

The messiah will only be satisfied when he has stifled all criticism and gains the undying love of a nation grateful for his vision of socialism and his successful destruction of america

But listening to his speeches it seems his teleprompter is reverting to idiot. The words the trolls claimed the looked at for inspiration are both trite and tired reruns of his campaign dialogue.

Seems the flap ears has moved on from messiah to dictator and the left, the trolls and the msm are so enchanted they fail to notice.

But then that's little surprise. The trolls are too stupid to notice and the msm can't betray the thing they created. But when the messiah turns on his elitist pals, led by the trio of stooges, olberfool, chrissy matthews, and mr maddow you wonder how the media will take their rejection and plummet from being the power brokers they tell themselves they are

England
God save the Queen and the Beatles.

Help!, The long and winding road will lead me back, will you still need me, will you still feed me when I'm 64.

Penny Lane where are you?

The Limey's need a refresher
"When any form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to alter or abolish it and to institute new Government."

It is my consistent opinion that those who value their Liberty SHOULD be "advocating violence" against the ENEMIES of Liberty.

We see what they are doing when all we are doing is TALKING. You want them stopped it will take more than talk.
The Founders knew this.
Why are we in denial of it?

I direct your attention to the Commonwealth of Virginia Seal, Motto, Flag. Tyranny dead at the feet of Liberty, and the legend "Thus always to Tyrants."

It didn't happen by TALKING them to death.

mick

Brokeback Allen
They weren't fired for Free Speech, they were fired for being perverts.

I don't want the guys defending me on the sharp end attacked up their rear.

Neither do they.

mick

Wow
I can't help but wondr how they missed all the left voices of dissent that wind up smashing windows and tossing maltov cocktails at the big davos meetings and the IMF and world bank meetings all over the world, year after year...
I guess what they're really saying is, there are no patriotic conservatives who destroy anything, but were scared it might be a problem, and we've got our hands tied with all the leftist bombings and smashings of government buildings. We recovered from our embassy smashed and burnt in Athens by the left, but they've done it again recently.
Nevermind about the lefts damaging our government buildings and offices, we'll focus on some fake righty stuff in orer to kiss islamic butt, we saw them burn French cities outskirts for a year or two now, not good, not good!
Is that it ? Are they that fickle and stupid ? Must be.

"I hate what you say...
but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Michael Savage said that used to be the war cry of liberals. Now you have to wonder how many of them still believe that. I'm starting to believe it's no longer about principles, but just about your side "winning." That goes for both the right and the left.

Talk to any young person...
You will find that, for the most part, they have been taught that this is how you deal with anyone that has an opinion that is different than theirs. Instead of having a firm foundation, anything goes and all ideas are acceptable as long as they are 'PC'. How sad... If we don't stand up and call sin a sin, nothing will change. Hopefully, it's not too late.

Turning a blind eye...
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Thre at.pdf

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

I note the conservative reaction to the both of these papers is not nearly as heavily weighted as their reaction to the publication about Right-Wing Extremism...

@ Lynn:
Yes, god forbid we actually listen to what our opposition has to say before screaming them out as "anti-American" or "godless heathens."

We must crush the open-mindedness of our young people, before they start to shape their own future!

1776 G.B. eff off!


Hey! You want a piece of us again?

You have to be kidding!




King george oblama the "one third"?

Same thing.

What has changed?

Not much.

Except our guy is even more effeminate.

How sad.

K. Geo. was dying from syphilis.

What does our guy have?


So sad.







A Brit speaks
Im actually pretty impressed, as a Brit living in Britain (not a runaway like Tea Party ranting against his country of birth after deserting), at you yanks resisting being rude about us. Thanks for that.

We are in a transition over here. We have a completely useless and unwanted government over here, run by Gordon Browb an unelected and deeply unpopular man.

In this government we have people like Jacqui Smith who is knwn in the media sarcastically as "Jackboot Jacqui", because she is an evil idiot.

Look Ive heard this Savage guy and he is your usual moronic right wing shock jock. But I wouldnt ban him. And I wouldnt have banned the other 6 or 7 people on that list. There is outrage here over bannings, as Britain still sees itself as a bastion of freedom.

This government is about to be wiped out at the ellection and the Conservatives under Cameron will get in.

So bear with us...we are going to get rid of these people.

And there is the irony. We are about to vote in the right and the Tories, when you people vote in a left wing muslim as your President....go figure! ;-)

And Tea Party, you said: "These days they roll over and piddle on themselves". Absolute revolting garbage. Lest you forget we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. So have some damn respect. You dont know this country, you deserted. I do know us and we have still the same values as before.

Savage is special
Only in America will we tolerate and elevate such a hateful man to prominence - in the name of the protection of free speech.

Here's a reminder of why England put him on the list:

" "[T]he question to you is, what should the U.S. government do right now? Should the U.S. military be deployed? Should the tribal areas of Pakistan be wiped out and the rats killed in there once and for all? Should we nuke the tribal areas in Pakistan's wild-man region and wipe out the terrorists once and for all?" Later, responding to a caller's assertion that "[W]e need to exterminate them like rats," Savage said, "Yeah, we know where they're coming from. ... [T]hey're in the tribal areas of western Pakistan. What the heck do we have nuclear weapons for? What are tactical nuclear weapons for but to wipe out an enemy? The enemy lives there -- kill them and their families, and show them that the terror they inflict on the West will come home to roost and will be inflicted on them." Savage later added, "[T]here's no question that entire region needs to be annihilated and stripped off the earth.""

I don't think England's right in many of its practices, including the lack of free speech and the total-surveillance state.

But... I mean c'mon where's the outrage here at home? I've heard this guy call people rats, cockroaches, vermin -- that's all Nazi-talk.

Sometimes it takes a neighbor to point out problems at home.

Yet, These People are Welcome ???

Muslim extremists at a "Religion of Peace" rally:

scroll down for photos:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_muslim_demonstrati on.htm

Hello Allen...Allen...wake up!
You gay little fellow you...if we keep listening to you gay blades, wouldn't this be a wonderful world! Wrong you idiot! Free speech has to be responsible speech, otherwise dorks like you have free reign over the hard-working, no-nonsense working folks. You peole have no jobs other than government-provided useless makework, or government subsidized "artistic" endeavors. All this wonderful utopia you envision today will come crashing down around your ears because it is based on theory, not on truth.

Lenin had a definite plan...
He said that if he could teach your children for four years, the seed he planted in their minds would never be uprooted. Well, the Leninites have had several decades to plant their seeds and we see the results. If we don't uproot this rabble, we will never see AMERICA again.

To paranoidmystic
I am a conservative who also finds SAVAGE to be offensive at times, but I can tell you, that he is nothing compared to the liberal sludge that is sliding down upon this country. There has to be somebody who will stand up and give the left a black eye every day or we are doomed to be subsumed in political correctness.

Stiff upper lip!
God, I love the Brits!

3...2...1...
The UK doesn't have freedom of speech. There, I just derailed this entire article. The US Constitution applies only to Americans (at least when our elected officials decide it will), not to anyone else. The UK doesn't have an equivelent of the US Constitution and they DO NOT have any sorts of freedom of speech. If the ruling party decided one day to ban all negative opinions about them, they could easily do it and no one would have a single legal recourse otherwise.

I read this stuff everyday ...
and I want to tell you that my Dad isn't a saint, but he served with the Corp and taught his kids to be American. Thanx Pop, you weren't easy, but the lessons were learned.
To He** with treanous politicians and those who aren't American.

A Brit speaks
Hello cuz? Well, I hope you are right about Cameron. And I wish you well from the deep south of the US. Many of us know that your Country shares many of the same values as we do. And to all of the fine military personel in Britian, I salute you. You have my respect and gratitude. The far left in either Country does not speak for all of us. I really don't have a problem with Savage, but then I see talk show host as entertainers more than serious news sources.

CAREFUL CLIFF!
"To He** with treanous politicians and those who aren't American."

Death to those who aren't American??

You're gonna get banned from Britain!

Good Riddance to the UK
The film “V” depicted a near future UK as a totalitarian dictatorship. It seemed far fetched. I WAS WRONG! I’m now convinced its a clear indication of where the UK is going and we will soon follow. The Michael Savage ban is one more indicator. I’ve therefore written the following to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith cc Foreign Secretary David Milibrand
I urge others, willing to forego visiting the UK to write similar letters.

Jacqui Smith
British Home Secretary
2 Marsham St.
London SW1P 4DF
U.K.

cc: David Milibrand, MP
British Foreign Secretary
King Charles St.
London SW1A 2AH
U.K.

Dear Ms. Smith:
You have taken the liberty of branding US radio talk show host Michael Savage a “dangerous extremist and purveyor of hate” You categorize him as follows:
[ “...engaging in unacceptable behavior by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence ... someone who forments hatred, of such extreme views that its likely to cause inter-community tension or violence if they were allowed into the country...” ]

In view of the above, I would consider it an honor if I too could be placed in the company of such a patriot as Mr. Savage, whom you now deem Persona non Grata. I therefore request to also be banned entry into the UK. I too have views similar to Mr. Savage which you find objectionable and a danger to your society. I too publicly advocate such views. Good riddance to the no longer “Great” Brittan; now a Socialist Trash Heap: a nation governed by “political correctness” and catering to the dictates of Islamic immigrant garbage.

J_ _ _ _ _ _ J _ _ _ _
US Passport # _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

This is a conspiracy.
It has to be. Who are these weirdos that wield such power illogically? Why are they on the same page? Once the United States goes down these people seem to be ready.

Wake up!
Idopas (#16): Yes, our nation voted in a radical leftist who is at the very least a Muslim sympathizer.... but please remember not all of us voted for the “Rookie-in-Chief.”

Paranoidmystic (#17): You wrote, “But... I mean c'mon where's the outrage here at home? I've heard this guy call people rats, cockroaches, vermin -- that's all Nazi-talk.”

Here we go again, with the standard knee-jerk liberal-left response to those with whom they disagree, comparing the target with the Nazis! Doesn’t this stuff ever end??

The point of the First Amendment is, as Dr. Savage noted in his own defense on his show, is that above all, offensive speech must be protected. Who decides what constitutes offensive speech? Have I missed something, or does the Constitution provide a clause that says you have the right to go through life without having your feelings hurt? If you don’t like being called names by those who oppose your views, welcome to the club! Conservatives have been getting called names for years; perhaps it is time you developed a thicker skin.

What distinguished the Nazis from garden-variety criminals, racists and the like was not that they said offensive things, but that they acted on them. Virtually all of us have at some time or another had violent or other unsavory thoughts, maybe even expressed them verbally – but the key is that most of us do act upon them.

I am a cynic, but I see the hand of influential British Muslims in this decision. It is a standard tactic in their war against the West, to use our own institutions and laws against ourselves. Another influential conservative, Mark Steyn, was attacked in much the same way in Canada by a so-called “human rights” commission, i.e. a star-chamber proceeding, but managed to beat the rap.

Far be it from me to tell you how to run your affairs, but your country is being stolen from right under your eyes by the jihadists. Wake up!

Savage And The Nation
The world is on the brink of 'change'. The New World Order must not have any opposition. Michael Savage is a voice of opposition.

Conservatives are a problem wherever they are. They will need to be quieted. They are the opposition.

The left,reinforced by the left-wing media have slammed and slandered the right for years. It is just 'what they do'.

The left is power mad. They worship a power mad leader. If conservatives cannot see the danger...they are blind.


One less place to visit
This will teach liberals all over the world a lesson, liberals really do not travel. So when the British government start to realize the lost of tourist dollars for making such a hateful decision then all liberals around the world will understand will understand the true meaning of the wrath of God.

Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TO THE UK
SUGGESTION: Give this previous post as wide dissemination as possible. Perhaps it may be a wake up call for British Home Secretary Smith that this curious idea these up-start colonials included in their Constitution, (after they had the dreadfully bad manners to revolt), known as the FIRST AMMENDMENT, has some merit.

“Jolly good idea. I realize its a rather radical concept, but perhaps we should look into it. I may even bring it up at the next session of Parliament. Here Here: God save the Queen”.

Indopas
Learn to understand what you read..first of all I am a woman, secondly I am an AMERICAN born of
British immigrants from BOTH sides of the family. My mother came over in 1923 as a child with my grandparents and her siblings..my grandfather LEGALLY immigrated to work in one of the largest textile finishing mills in this country. It was this side of the family that taught me to be PROUD of my British heritage (my Dad's side had come over 40 years earlier as children and I don't know much of their history). My family hosted British sailors during the War as they did convoy runs on lend lease duty and they LOVED Winston Churchill.
I doubt very much if the Brits of those days would have stood for the crap the current generation of Brits put up with..i.e. not allowed to defend yourselves or your homes from
invasions, mayhem and murder; multiculturalism that will NOT allow you to talk about your Christian heritage while allowing your middle eastern squatters to dictate what you can do or say; British troops marching home from war to
face these same middle easterners scorn and insults as they march through the streets. O yeah, I can see my uncles and my grandfather (British Army W.W. 1) putting up with anti British garbage for the sake of political correctness. This sufferance of allowing the middleeastern foxes into your house is going to get British people killed or subjected to slavery. THAT'S what I was talking about. My family didn't cut and run from England, they immigrated for a better life than they had living in poverty in Lancashire. And I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN, and I pray Englishmen will make me proud of my heritage once again.
England is in this mess because you turned away from God (just as we are doing here), England sent great men of God around the world and now you can't even fill your churches, and have turned to government as your god.

Indopas
I hope and pray you do reject that terrible government you are saddled with. And I am no fan of Savage in that I don't listen to him very often, he sometimes goes over the top. I am a CONSERVATIVE, and I despise socialism by whatever description one hears.
I am passionate about what I see happening in England, I still have family living there and friends of my family from W W 2 and I pray for
England..and for your information I have a small Union Jack in a display in my home, just under my own flag..it was brought home from England by one of my Aunts.

Yet Britain Welcomes Che's Daughter
Y'all need to read this Canada Free Press article:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10983

Che Guevara's Daughter is Welcome to Britain for an upcoming (June) Cuba50 celebration. "Aleida Guevara will visit Home Secretary Smith’s jurisdictional domain in order to promote, in her own words: “my father’s ideals, his concerns, and his ambitions. I believe that my father is a banner to the world!” adds Che’s well-fed (in sharp contrast to most Cubans) daughter.
Fine. Let’s have a look at Aleida’s father’s “ambitions,” keeping in mind that “hate speech” is a buzz-term beloved by the likes of Jacqui Smith and, for them, has an extremely elastic application."

Several quotes follow, quotes that SHOULD put to shame every college kid or arrested development liberal who buys and wears a Che t-shirt!!!!!! He was a monster per his own words - talk about fomenting violence!! Frightening, and still lauded.

Britian
does not have free speech nor freedom of expression as we do in the U.S.

As appalling as this is to freedom lovers everywhere, it's good that this is coming to light.

You can be jailed in Britain for saying or writing the wrong thing. Many people are unaware of this, and think that Britain is just the U.S. overseas.

The publicity coming from this may wake people up to what they have to look forward to if the U.S. continues in an effort to model itself after Europe.


18Wheeler
GUTSY!

You have a pair of brass ones.

Good for you!!

Wait, wait, wait...
-- Paranoidmystic (#17): You wrote, “But... I mean c'mon where's the outrage here at home? I've heard this guy call people rats, cockroaches, vermin -- that's all Nazi-talk.”

Here we go again, with the standard knee-jerk liberal-left response to those with whom they disagree, comparing the target with the Nazis! Doesn’t this stuff ever end?? --

I know, Nazi's get trotted out way too much in political discourse, but seriously Savage is the guy who calls illegals, muslims, arabs and liberals cockroaches, vermin, scum. He's the one who says things like we should nuke all of Pakistan (as I quoted), kill all the Palestinians, kill all the liberals, etc.

I don't agree with the UK banning him; I think it's absurd.

But it's no stretch to call the guy a hate-monger. It's just that here in the USA you can be a hate-monger with no problems.

Don't You Get Tired of It?!
I've listened to Mike for years and I think much of his ranting (when he does rant) is knee-jerk fear/frustration. We conservatives spend alot of time trying to keep moving forward despite dangers, play civilly, act responsibly, rise above jackasses like Al Franken, "truth will prevail", etc, and we just get more and more overwhelmed by the uncivil and the out-right vicious haters (anti-Americans within and without the U.S.). Sometimes you just want to scream or yell (doncha?!) at those who won't let us live in peace or who destroy our prosperity (like the Socialist Dems/Obama) or who give criminals preference over the law-abiding. I'm talking SELF-PRESERVATIONISTS versus DESTROYERS - there IS a Difference!
Paranoidmystic (Reply #17) quotes Mike as wanting to nuke the terrorists holed up in Pakistan - well, who doesn't want to just END THE WAR and SAVE OURSELVES/OUR CHILDREN?! We pussyfoot around with diplomacy, submit to shame (becuz WE have consciences) while our enemies grow stronger and get time to build, unrestrained. And there's plenty of traitors within working relentlessly against our values/ideals. Mike isn't going to ACT, but he certainly SPEAKS FOR ME some days - what I WISH WE COULD DO. I think sometimes we tie our own hands behind our back and can only LOSE if we don't reach the ENOUGH IS ENOUGH point.

This is wonderful
This is how the "west fights wars" nowadays. So many of the elite campaign pushing eggheads in all types of offices, have their "first strike" policy set against their own western allies, because it's so much easier to push legal papers around the desk, than actually do something to stop those threatening to exterminate you are your people.
I guess London is such a pile of rabble rousing violent criminals, that a little talk radio personality can send them over the edge - one wonders in this case what the target might be ... perhaps mobs of raging islamic militants shrieking death to Britian on the streets... and Mr. Savage showing up or talking might - what - push them to attacking age old British institutions and upsetting the new candy tarts in power ? Maybe putting them at risk - oh dear.
If your nation is on such a knife edge of violence ready to explode, you're far past the time when you should be banning certain people, and it surely isn't your western brothers or sisters that need banning, you unwise pond hopping chickens.
In Afghanistan, Osama was let through the pass, in leiu of the Coalition taking 750 high level deaths and more casualties - now they wreak havok in Pakistan, and the guts it takes to stop them is not present there, even with 135,000 foot soldiers, over half all thier forces... yet in Afghanistan all told we have 1/4th that count, the "world force" mainly USA....
I guess world peace is just around the corner, killing the enemy with no mercy is just not our policy, anywhere. Deporting them, or stopping their further import, is as well, a lost cause.
Welcome to the new world order of tree hugging.

Britain is the Canary in the Coal Mine..
Make no mistake about it...this is the type of attack on free speech that the "progressives" are planning to institute in this country.

Libs. are all for free speech
as long as it's only their own.

The people of England should start their own tea parties, they know enough about teas, and send a message to Britain's censor in chief.

Here we have to watch out for the stealth *diversity* krap for radio licenses concocted to drive Rush and Hannity et. al. off the air.

We need people to go bds. of ed meetings and hammer against *multiculturalism* which is a code word for kill the West and Christianity, don't allow schools to sponsor Muslim days or have pretend prayer rugs and prayers to Allah as part of any curriculum.

That's the drivel that is behind the King Elect O's *all children should speak Spn* (altho' he can't speak anything without a teleprompter) and the ban of Christmas displays and the raging anti-Semitism the Pope discussed.

In Defense of Britain
It never was about kings that led Britain to freedom for her people, it was a hatred of kings, a mistrust, a belief that men are meant under God to rise above those who rule them.

It was never about servitude to lords. It was about breaking the bonds of servitude. It was those very bonds being broken that cost untold lives of Englishmen, who stood alone in history at a time when standing alone meant death.

It was never about self, it was about God when Englishmen set out alone to face those who deemed Christians to be ones to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

It was Englishmen who secured the Holy Land, at terrible cost in lives....not once but over and over again.

It is Englishmen who to this very day, and by all rights bestowed under God, should be thanked for that fact.

Sometimes you have to pick up your brothers when they need you the most instead of chastising them.

Mind you the British don't need you to lift them. They only expect you to stand beside them.

Standing Up
One last thought.....where do you believe the founders got their wisdom and strength? It was not from the King of England.....it was in large part from the history of the English People, built from their their forebearance and their fortitude.

What as Americans, now, do you offer....Words?

The Browns
Do we still ban Cat Stevens?

Sky ---
I agree with you about the part English history played in our own history. However, I know that their lives were a testimony of the faith they had in God. They based our whole concept of a Federal Constitutional Republic (not a democracy) on the knowledge that we are not given our rights by any government but by God alone. Now, there are many that would rather believe that we are the holders of our own destinies, etc. The beauty of this country is that we are allow to believe whatever we wish. This becomes a problem, however, when one's actions infringe upon the rights of someone else. Note, I said ACTIONS... We cannot be the judge of another's speech, only on the actions. This has been the basis of our system of law. Only God knows the intent of a man's heart. We, as a nation, have until recent years, stood for the righteousness that our forefathers believed in. We have also stood by those who had to bear the brunt of the evil that man has committed. We are now seeing what it's like to be the target of some of that same evil. You're right, will we do more than offer words? Good question...

Paranoidmystic:
Jeremiah Wright is a hatemonger.
Louis Farrakhan is a hatemonger.
David Duke is a hatemonger.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are race-hustling hatemongers who incite violence.

Michael Savage is not a hatemonger. He is a highly intelligent radio host who doesn't mince words and who refuses to be politically correct.

Cat Stevens
I believe Cat Stevens has passed away.

Cat Stevens
I think I may be wrong about his passing.

Janet & Jacqui...

Both have demonstrated their ant-free speech, Thought Police policies.. the Brits are just ahead of us, but I suspect that B. Hussein wants to "change" that, too.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know Who put jacqui up to imposing her little smear-defamation "ban" on an accomplished US Citizen she probably never heard of.. Unless perhaps, someone had blessed her with a copy of one of Dr Savage's Best Selling, conservative & patriotic books.. At any rate, the old Gal is in over her pay-grade, now. Savage says his UK legal discovery process will begin soon.

Brit Thought Crimes coming to the USA, soon? Even Children & Toddlers are "guilty"..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2261307/Toddlers-who-d islike-spicy-food-racist-say-report.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410150/Schoolgirl-a rrested-refusing-study-non-English-pupils.ht


Savage isn't even Irish!
Compare how the British dealt with IRA suspects twenty years ago vs how they molly-coddle Muslims today. Compare remarks made by the Archbishop of Canterbury about Muslims today vs what he had to say about the Irish 20 years ago.

If Savage is being barred from Britian, Rev Ian Paisley and his ilk should be in prison.

Better Link...

I hope.. regarding the "racist" 14 yr old who was "arrested" for not wanting to study with girls who did no speak her language.. "shame-shame".

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1495

Thank Me!
Perhaps the brits only meant to say that they have quit listening to Savage hence he is not allowed in their country any more. If the Brits have any brains they are obviously filling that time slot with the Mark Levin Show!

Talk Show Hatred
Maybe the focus should now be on the link between hate crimes and talk shows that promote hate.

RALPH (FL)
The "link"?

To the Browns:
Your first problem is defending Savage. He isn't just offensive, he is viciously offensive.
Now I recognize that right-wing talk show hosts
thrive and get rich on this kind of stuff, but
it is still viciously offensive, no matter how
much a certain segment of our population finds
it entertaining.

It is also pretty much that same segment of the population who would vigorously deny that
foreigners (particularly if they are Muslim
or Mexican) have rights here in the U.S.

So, what is your beef?


Religion of Peace
This banning of Savage as CAIR's fingerprints all over it.

Idopas, and bacon butties
Thank you so much for your input. You're right, I fought with a Brit in Afghanistan, and have the most wonderful things to say. "Chin off" some of the banter. We're just trying to stay afloat, here, mate. Though, your input is extremely insightful and encouraged. Michael Savage, while a bit tough to listen to (at times) makes phenominal points, and is often (shortly there after) repeated by his competitors. He has a legitimate beef. I only hope that there are people like you, and my former roommate (and good friend) that you will continue to speak logic from across the pond.

Cheers!

CERTAIN FOREIGNERS HAVE NO RIGHTS
Tammy Re: those who deny that foreigners (particularly Muslims or Mexican, if they’re illegal, and all their anchor babies) have rights in the U.S.
****************************************

Yes. CERTAIN FOREIGNERS HAVE NO RIGHTS. Am I apologetic for this? Quite the contrary. IM PROUD OF IT! Case in point: Two teenagers recently beat a wet back to death; were tried and acquitted last week. This is a classic case of jury nullification. Yes, the teenagers were guilty. But 12 real Americans took it upon themselves to send this message to other would-be wet backs. “You have NO rights in this country. Stay home or suffer possible sever consequences”. This was a good verdict and a GREAT message. I only hope wet backs south of the border and rag heads get it. If not, more of this is likely to happen, because WE’RE MAD AS HELL AND WONT TAKE IT ANY MORE! I only hope Im on the jury when it happens, because you know how I’ll vote.




A Savage life for me...

You Savage! Mike Savage.

Sounds like my kind of guy!


~~~

You repulsive Savage, As the strange ones would call you.

No, I have never heard a word you ever spoke.

But if you are a Savage, please keep it up!

We need you.


~~~

As a note for any who care for my crude comments,

I am nearly deaf and I never listen to any radio.


I quit watching TV "news" back in the 60s because the "news' was nothing but lies.



Michael has already won...
...I have no idea what this big meeting is about because all the talk (at least in this country) is about Michael Savage and his free speech being banned in England.I think the English fear the Paki's among them because they know American ex-pats are not going to riot in the streets.

Not a day goes by that I don't thank my long departed ancesters from Scotland and Ireland for emigrating from the old sod.

Thank you Nana.Thank you Grandad.

TRUTH: SEEK IT; SPEAK IT
OncealwaysaMarine wrote: "Britain is the Canary in the Coal Mine..
Make no mistake about it...this is the type of attack on free speech that the "progressives" are planning to institute in this country. "
====================
Truer words were never spoken.

Savage
Thank you for supporting Michael Savage. He is not only a talk show host but a gifted writer and researcher. He has published over 20 books. You are right in pointing out that this is serious business. Freedom of speech is designed to protect controversial talk not polite talk.

I Listen to Savage Faithfully....
though he can be acerbic and inflamatory at times, he is motivated by a righteous indignation that many share, myself included.
He presents facts and issues from a conservative perspective. He is no hate monger nor does he incite anyone to violence.

That is pure hogwash. The left despises him because he is not PC and tells it like it is.
Britian has it share of problems with increasingly active radical groups of Muslims protestors. They should worry about the homefront and stop scapegoting Michael Savage.

I thought
I must have misunderstood my teachers in school those many years ago when we were tought that america was formed because " we " cared not for Bitish rule. yet here we are some 233 years later being led by what those in europe may think of us, adopting THEIR ways of doing things. and now we must suffer their { oh lets not offend anyone } stance....
Nothing againest them for I do have some friends over there, but there is an old saying about what to do if they can't take a joke....
In our past there was a cry of " The British are comming, The British are comming " Are we hearing that cry again????

ldopas

ldopas (voice from the UK) Location: CA Reply # 16 Date: May 15, 2009 - 4:20 PM EST

Thanks for your comments. Your comments reflect the Britain I remember. But lest you forget (as we Americans have forgotten) a country is usually judged by other countries by their leaders and by their policies.

We wish you Brits well, as we wish ourselves well also. Both of our countries have to return to nations based on tradition and common sense and both of us have to shrug off our socialist chains of slavery.

And regarding Muslim intruders - they have done nothing to deserve our respect at all.

18 Wheeler, loved your #67 post
Congrats, you got the brass ones man.
We should many more of those type of verdicts.

UK Is In The Tank for Muslim Extremism
Looking at the UK today is like looking into our own future. The great nation that literally invented capitalism and civil freedom for the common man, is rapidly crumbling in on itself. Like the rest of Western Europe, Britain is being strangled by the two-headed serpent of socialism and Muslim cultural immersion.

In this country, Obama and his henchmen have served clear notice that Muslim encroachment on our social and political traditions will not be checked. As for Israel, they WILL be thrown to the terrorist dogs.

Seldom listen to Savage,
anymore. Can't stand his self-promoting braggadocio and condescending attitude. Rush is self-deprecating and really funny, besides being spot on 99% of the time. Savage is a drunk, prone to ranting and frequently running off the rails, IMO. He was superb before he went national and I never missed his show when trucking through the San Fran area, but now I think he's gotten too full of himself.

That said, I will defend to the death (Home Office nitwits' political death at any rate) Savage's RIGHT to say whatever he dam well pleases! He has a large audience and makes good money for his syndicate - unlike the dummies formerly known as "Air America." Al Franken, Janeane Garbuffalo and Rachel Madcow are the people who should be "banned," EXCEPT Home Office agrees with their lunacy.

Rowly: Cat Stevens Is Dead
He is now Yusef Islam, a radical Muslim.

The UN and Muslims nations
want to criminalize any speech not positive about Islam and the Koran.

Denmark, Holland, and the UK have already nearly capitulated to the accusations that disliking Islamic terrorism is akin to discrimination and verbal attack.

Free speech always suffers attacks of totalitarians, as Chavez has nearly shut down any opposition press in Venezuela and the King Elect O and DC cabal have already attacked Rush (did Bush ever attack the NYTimes or Wash. Post or MSNBC? No, he thought too much of the office of the presidency) and are planning a back-door *diversity* radio requirement for licensing to attack cons. talk radio.

We are free here on TH, but if the libs. could stop us, we would be gone tomorrow.

Britian WILL BE a savage nation
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/mar/23/00011/

Dissent is ALREADY a Memory
Has anybody been paying attention to what is going on in Wichita Kansas? A prominent pain treatment activist is being CRIMINALLY INVESTIGATED by a grand jury ONLY because of her outspoken opposition to a prosecution of a physician there. If the Department of Justice can use its criminal investigative powers in this manner, NOBODY with dissenting views is safe. Siobhan Reynolds from Pain Relief Network is suffering the indignities of more to come unless we all speak out.

Michael Savage, real name Michael Weiner
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make public the names of 16 people banned since October so others could better understand what sort of behavior Britain was not prepared to tolerate.

"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded.

"This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country," Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.

Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the funerals of Aids victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a punishment for US tolerance of homosexuality.

Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the list released today.

Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.

Luna: And your point IS?
Luna: Is there some point you’re trying, (unsuccessfully), to make in parroting what Home Secretary Ms. Smith has already said, and what most here are already aware of?

Luna: And your point IS?
Luna: Is there some point you’re trying, (unsuccessfully), to make in parroting what Home Secretary Ms. Smith has already said, and what most here are already aware of?



Reading the comments, I seriously doubt that most of the poster are aware of what Home Secretary Smith said.

It is NOT a case of Mr. Weiner's right to freedom of speech, it is about a sovereign nation (in this case the UK) exercising their right to decide who they will and will not allow within their borders.

Do you have any idea how many people are banned from entering the United States?

How many people in The United States are prevented from flying, because the anti-terrorist watch list?


By the way, wasn't it Mr. Weiner who on the November, 27, 2006, edition of his show, said "save the United States," lawmakers should institute an "outright ban on Muslim immigration" into the United States.




Michael Savage Real Name Michael Weiner
. . . That's exactly how anti-Semites list Jews who have changed their name to something less Jewish. They always point out the "real name" to identify the person as a Jew.
Could Luna be a little anti-Semitic? Hmmm . . .

Talk show hosts
Where are they ?? This is a classic freedom of speech issue. I think their silence is damming.

All Roads Lead To Mecca

Why the shock?

Lord Ahmed, the only Muslim peer, has advocated the arrest and conviction of the Jews for war crimes.

The Muslim community has increased dramatically along with its disproportionate rise in welfare.

Many have spit on returning British veterans.

Christians have been jailed for expressing their views on Islam while the opposite has never occurred.

Too many have begged for Queen Elizabeth II to go the way of Charles I and have their new gang of Roundnecks kill all royals and aristocrats, except for Lord Ahmed.

Jacqui Smith knows she would end up like Theo Van Gogh if she promoted free speech, free association, free religion, free anything, but all roads lead East ... to Mecca.

Londonistan Will Result In Death Of UK

2 countries, Spain and the Czech Republic, have already started sending their immigrants (mostly Islamic) home. Those in the EU that fail to do the same will relinquish their collective histories and cultures to the dust-bin of history.

So, which will the UK choose? The path paved with good intentions is laid low by the realistic hell; or, God Kill The Queen?

Typical Limeys--
They seem for the most part to not have any power of abstract thinking, with the IQs of sheep. Except for a few, maybe.
It will never happen here, Americans know that, at least the real patriotic Americans do.
Beware the sell-out politicians though.
Yes, Mr. Savage has won and good for him.

Just this to say...
I hope the British people will triumph in their next elections. I hope someone across the pond is reading this. Please don't blame those of us who were using something other than an American Idol rating scale in Nov. 08's election. Our brain cells told us NOT to vote for the USURPER-in-Chief! Even a crystal ball couldn't have predicted how much of a disaster the TOTUS would be.

I strongly believe and stand with Geert Wilders from the Netherlands. Islam is a political ideology, not just a religion. Clearly this is what deceives people into thinking they are harmless.. Islam has one goal and they will do whatever the Immam's advocate. When they have grown in population in any country, that is when they begin to demand sharia law, etc. We should be limiting their immigration because they will outbirth us. Every muslim family I know of has many more kids than the average American. The do not easily, if ever, assimilate. They expect the dominant culture to adjust to them.

I read Alien Nation a while back. The author said that when you advocate and stand up for your own country's dominant culture, people who want to silence you will call you a racist. He said that that intimidation tactic couldn't be a bigger lie. Just fight back by telling them you are a patriot, and love your country! Racism has nothing to do with it!!

ldopas (voice from the UK)
do you suppose that the Brits have the grit to man up for freedom? It appear that this nation has citizens of the United States and Americans living here. Two different people.
Stay tuned!

Act NOW or PERISH!
Luna: Thanks for clearing that up.
Yes. I agree. Sovereign nations have every right to restrict entry. I view this from a “Free Market” perspective. Nations operate like businesses. One product they sell is tourism. They have a right not to serve certain customers. Conversely, customers have a right to withhold patronage if they disagree with a nations policies. I worked in the UK for a year and enjoyed it. However, the political climate then was much different. I refuse to return under the current government of PM Brown. Should the Brits come to their senses and dump MPs like Brown, Smith, Milibrand and the rest of the Liberal garbage now infesting Parliament, I’ll reconsider returning; assuming I’m not still banned. I’m now branded an “Extreme Right Wing Radical / Hate monger.” It also assumes a future UK government is any improvement. My fear is we may be seeing the last days of a Free UK. A state of undeclared war now exists between the civilized West and much of the Islamic world. Since Islam cant yet win by force, they intend to conquer with the ballot. They breed like rabbits. Soon Muslim populations in countries like the UK, France, Holland and Germany will have voting strength to place their kind in positions of power. At present rates, this may happen in the next 12 to 15 years in much of the EU. It may already be too late for the UK and Holland. The only hope for the US is to totally ban Muslims entry and deport those already here. This also applies to certain other Foreign Nationals intent on taking control of our government. Extreme measures? Perhaps. But the fate of our nation is at stake and depends on such extreme measures.
EITHER WE ACT NOW OR PERISH!

And to think I was on their side...
When the President went to England and gave the Queen a I-pod I was up in arms about it. I mean who would give a Queen such a gift. But to ban this man is way out of line on their part. Does that make us now even? Oh, and speaking of the President...is it just me or have any of you noticed he isn't waving cheerfully to the crowd when he gets off the chopper anymore...I guess hes finding out that being the leader and having to make the decisions isn't anything like the campaign...

McCarthy ism
this is the tactic used by Joe Stalin,
Adolf Hitler, Benny Mussolini,
Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Mao Tse Dung, and other Progressive regimes. and now GB?
Vilify the opposition.
Shut down dissent. Stop free speech (although the radio is licensed speech, there is still a presumption of freedom of the airwaves in the USA).
Go thru customs in once Great Britain having an Irish last name and an american passport, you will get more scrutiny than the taliban mullah.
I've been there in Birmingham once.
'is that an irish name?'

"gee, i dunno." ... (i did but played ignorant)

'how come?'

"i thought it was an American name."

'well i am going to use this wand to search
your body.'

'what is the purpose of your trip?'

"vacation, i plan to spend alot of money so my wife can buy a dozen pair of shoes and handbags in London or Birmingham."

'have you been to the irish rep. recently?'

"not since 1961."

'ollrite, you are the only non-eu passenger, so go to the line marked C.'

i guess they thought every american with an irish name was a gun runner for the ira.

they need more football fans in their marines.

meaning less fat mommies handing their weapons over to the iranistan army at first sight.

and her husband stays home and sends his wife into a combat prone area? cowardly girlie man.

ciao,
ab
lancaster, taxifornia
push 1 for english in america you gringo dimwits

got Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill?

coming to a country near you.


political correctness and rehab
the 2nd most popular name for a new born in former Great Britain is: Mohammed.

they had to put at least 1 jewish person on the list. the muslims will feel better.
the government hacks are AFRAID of what the mohammedans will do to them.



ciao,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
got leaf blowers?
dial 1 for english in america.

british totalitarianism
The Brits are much further down the bolt hole than the US in socialism and political correctness. Savage was added to the list because the initial draft was too Muslim-centric.

I'm not suprised Savage was added to the list; I'm just surprised they didn't all Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity, and Prager too. What the hell...while they're at it they might as well add all registered Republicans.

At least the Brits (unlike our Dems) make no pretenses about Freedom of Speech.

SAVAGE IS A CONSERVATIVE SHOCKJOCK NMNL
He attacks anything he feels is "phony conservatism." He will attack Hannity or Limbaugh just as readily as Obama or Pelosi. Sometimes he entertains me, other times he annoys me. I control the power switch and the tuner.

I wonder if Rev. Jeremiah (wrong) Wright, Louis Farra-con, or maybe even Howard Sterno should also be on that list. All have spouted their psychotic opinions to the public. Most of which I find incendiary, hateful or offensive.

Save America plant a libtard or exchange two of them for a conservative Brit!

Robert in AZ
Michael Savage Real Name Michael Weiner
. . . That's exactly how anti-Semites list Jews who have changed their name to something less Jewish. They always point out the "real name" to identify the person as a Jew.
Could Luna be a little anti-Semitic? Hmmm . . .

Some people deflect attention from their feelings and motives by projecting them onto others... hmmm.. is it possible that Robert in AZ has something to hide????


As for Mr. Weiner's religion, I have no idea what it is, nor do I care. In case you had not noticed, you cannot always tell a person's religion by their name.

He is now Yusef Islam, a radical Muslim.
RADICAL MUSLIM? Where do you get your information? Do you just make it up as you go?

According to Wikipedia: Yusuf Islam (born Steven Demetre Georgiou) is a British musician of Greek Cypriot & Swedish ancestry. He is a singer-songwriter, educator & philanthropist.

He converted to Islam at the height of his fame in 1977. In 1979 he auctioned all his guitars for charity & left his music career to devote himself to educational & philanthropic causes in the Muslim community. He has been given awards for his work in promoting peace in the world, including 2003's World Award, the 2004 Man for Peace Award & the 2007 Mediterranean Prize for Peace

He is the founder & chairman of the Small Kindness charity, which initially assisted famine victims in Africa & now supports thousands of orphans & families in the Balkans, Indonesia, & Iraq.

Following the 11 September 2001, attacks on the United States, he said:

"I wish to express my heartfelt horror at the indiscriminate terrorist attacks committed against innocent people of the United States yesterday. While it is still not clear who carried out the attack, it must be stated that no right-thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action. The Quran equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity. We pray for the families of all those who lost their lives in this unthinkable act of violence as well as all those injured; I hope to reflect the feelings of all Muslims & people around the world whose sympathies go out to the victims of this sorrowful moment."

He appeared on videotape on a VH1 pre-show for the October 2001 Concert for New York City, condemning the attacks & singing his song "Peace Train." He also donated a portion of his box-set royalties to the September 11 Fund for victims' families, & the rest to orphans in underdeveloped countries.

Beware The New, Old World

In a country where radical Islam is announcing its aim of destruction for the British culture, it is strange that the country is not in an uproar. Oh, no, it takes the Parliament's outrageous expense accounts to galvenize the public into calling for prison terms for PMs.

It is a shame that Merry, Ole England has failed to comprehend "First They Came For The Jews", "The Gathering Storm", and "While We Slept".

Only A Few Public Comments?

Excuse me, but a few public comments made by Yusef Islam after 09.11.01 when almost the entire world condemned the terror attack does not equate to his standing up to the radical elements of his religion that cause car bombs to explode in crowded neighborhoods almost daily.

Luna Is A Moron
Luna, you get your information from wikipedia?
Wikipedia? You're either a moron or you're lazy. Do you read?

Spencer Slammed Statism In England

"Under the natural course of things each citizen tends towards his fittest function. Those who are competent to the kind of work they undertake, succeed, and, in the average of cases, are advanced in proportion to their efficiency; while the incompetent, society soon finds out, ceases to employ, forces to try something easier, and eventually turns to use."

Vol. 3, Ch. VII, Over-Legislation
"
Unlike private enterprise which quickly modifies its actions to meet emergencies — unlike the shopkeeper who promptly finds the wherewith to satisfy a sudden demand — unlike the railway company which doubles its trains to carry a special influx of passengers; the law-made instrumentality lumbers on under all varieties of circumstances at its habitual rate. By its very nature it is fitted only for average requirements, and inevitably fails under unusual requirements."

Vol. 3, Ch. VII, Over-Legislation

"Strong as it looks at the outset, State-agency perpetually disappoints every one. Puny as are its first stages, private efforts daily achieve results that astound the world."

Vol. 3, Ch. VII, Over-Legislation

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools."

Vol. 3, Ch. IX, State-Tamperings with Money and Banks

"The Republican form of government is the highest form of government; but because of this it requires the highest type of human nature — a type nowhere at present existing."

Vol. 3, Ch. XV, The Americans

"The primary use of knowledge is for such guidance of conduct under all circumstances as shall make living complete. All other uses of knowledge are secondary."

Vol. 3, Ch. XV, The Americans

All written by the Herbert Spencer, a 19th century English philosopher of classical liberalism.

The entire purpose of multiculturalism
is the destruction of the West and Christianity.

Every blog here keeps the coffin from being totally nailed shut here.

Keep it up TH'ers.

And go to teapartypatriots.org and find a tea party near you. There are still 100s going on. Get out in the streets and take them back from the left.

The Brits Have Savage Pegged
The Browns claim that "To place a successful talk host like Michael Savage on the same list as radical Muslim clerics, convicted criminals, and Russian skinheads is beyond outrageous."

No. It's just recognizing Savage for what he is---a loathsome hatemonger. Perhaps the Browns could devote their energies to promoting more responsible and constructive conservative spokespeople instead of defending someone who deserves no defense.

Michael Savage
He is not my cup of tea. A little too rough. I did try to listen to him once. Maybe I caught him on a bad night.I did not hear him speak one word that could not be played on any tv channel.

Now,Bill Maher is not my cup of tea either. I tried to listen to him once. Maybe I caught him on a bad night. I heard him speak several words that could not be played on any tv channel.Nasty words.

The difference is obvious. One is left and one is right. That is the ONLY difference.


LouLouise said:
Luna Is A Moron
Luna, you get your information from wikipedia?
Wikipedia? You're either a moron or you're lazy. Do you read?


There is it is again... projecting a personal quality upon some else.

What is it kids used to say to such comments... "it takes one to know one," or "I'm rubber you're glue your words bounce of me and stick to you." I really do not know how else to respond to such childish behavior as calling someone you disagree with a name.

You posted a statement that he is a Radical Muslim... no proof, nothing to back up the statement no links, nothing and you call me lazy. As far as I could tell you made it up as you went.

So I went and looked him up. I found that after he converted, used his wealth help orphans, start schools, help famine victims, and gave money to NYC and the 911 Victims.

At least I posted information from an independent source, that is a lot more than you did.

So, give me an independent source to show me that you did your homework.

Rowly Location: GA
Rowly Location: GA

Michael Savage - I did not hear him speak one word that could not be played on any tv channel.

Bill Maher - I heard him speak several words that could not be played on any tv channel.Nasty words.

The difference is obvious. One is left and one is right. That is the ONLY difference.


The reason for the difference you note is obvious but it is not that one is right and one is left.

Bill Mahr is on a cable channel, not controlled by the FCC, Michael Savage uses the public airwaves to broadcast his show. The FCC has rules about the words he can use.
If Michael were to use the naughty words he would be off the air.

I have also listened to both, Bill Mahr may use nasty words, but I never heard him call for the random destruction of an entire country simply because the religion practiced there.

I've heard Michael Savage attack people and call them "terrorists" simply because the do not agree with him. I have not hear Bill Mahr do that.

I've heard Michael Savage say that there is an inability of immigrants from non-European, non-Christian countries to assimilate into the American. (I wonder if he counts Israelis in that group?) I've never heard Bill Mahr make that generalization.

Michael Savage has said that we should never allow a Korean in the country because they might gill a dog in their backyard. I've never heard Bill Mahr make such a ludicrous statement.

Luna
You are free to listen to either or both of them,if that is your type of entertainment. It is not mine.




Government Childcare
Lilly,you said it would be great to have government childcare. Do you really want to allow strangers with far-reaching political agenda's to implant their philosophies into your child's brain. Do you want them to choose the songs, books, movies and life lessons they want to teach them or wouldn't you rather teach them the songs, stories and lessons you love. They can teach them to be little obedient robots that obey the government without question and encourage them to spy on their neighbors and turn them over to the Fairness Police. If you don't think it can happen, review how Hitler's youthful followers behaved. At least now, if you must use childcare, you can choose a childcare provider with your values. Government daycare will also further errode the family as women will be able to have more children without marrying or even living with fathers. They will not need fathers, just a job and their government "entitlements." I am a femininist too but I know that a father's love and presence is required for a fully developed child. If you have any doubt, read Obama's book "Dreams of My Father" to see how a fatherless child feels. Raise your own children. Beware of anyone who thinks they can do a better job with your child than you can.

Luna The Genius
Is that better for you?

FYI, Wikipedia has an agenda just as snopes.com and factcheck.org have agendas. They all are left wing. If you want to take wikipedia as gospel, that's your problem.

Now do some research on Yusef Islam, the terrorist supporter.

BTW, Israelis assimilate just fine because they are not third-world lumpenproletariats.

LouLouise said:
I don't understand the childish need to use any name or label. Just say what you have to say.

Wikipedia, snopes and factcheck all have agendas?

Next you are going to tell me that Fox News is fair and balanced, WorldNetDaily is even handed, Townhall presents both sides of every story.

Since you haven't posted anything to substantiate your claim that he is a radical, I will have to surmise that you don't have any proof.



Cat Stevens
{Department of Homeland Security officials said they placed him on the no-fly list in July, barring him from entry, after government agencies received fresh intelligence related to what they said were his charitable contributions to groups with terrorist ties.}

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43282-2004Se p22.html

{Yusuf Islam, who became famous as pop star Cat Stevens, has been deported from Israel after apparently being denied entry over his previous backing for a militant Islamic group. }

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/832796.stm

{Questions for Yusuf Islam

Q: So would you say you have contempt for a terrorist group like Hamas?

A: I wouldn’t put those words in my mouth. I wouldn’t say anything on that issue. I’m here to talk about peace. I’m a man who does want peace for this world, and I don’t think you will achieve that by putting people into corners and asking them very, very difficult questions about very contentious issues.}

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07WWLN_Q4.t.html ?_r=1


Proof or speculation?
In the first article there is the following:

*** Officials said they could not provide specifics on Islam's alleged ties to terrorists.

** BTW, that article was from 2004... since that time it was found to be a case of mistaken identity. He has been removed from the "no fly" list.
--
{Yusuf Islam, who became famous as pop star Cat Stevens, has been deported from Israel after apparently being denied entry over his previous backing for a militant Islamic group.}

** This article is even older. It was written in 2000.
--
Article {Questions for Yusuf Islam}

**2007 During the same interview he was asked:

For all your devotion to education and good deeds, government officials in various countries have tried to link you to extremist groups, including Hamas. What do you think of Hamas?

That’s an extremely loaded question.

Can you try to answer it?

I have never supported a terrorist group or any group that did other than charity and good to humankind.
--
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,702062,00.ht ml

You Say Yusuf, I Say Youssouf.

The Yusuf Islam incident earlier this week, in which the former Cat Stevens was denied entry into the U.S. when federal officials determined he was on the government's "no-fly" antiterror list, started with a simple spelling error. According to aviation sources with access to the list, there is no Yusuf Islam on the no-fly registry, though there is a "Youssouf Islam." The incorrect name was added to the register this summer, but because Islam's name is spelled "Yusuf" on his British passport, he was allowed to board a plane in London bound for the U.S. The Transportation Safety Administration alleges that Islam has links to terrorist groups, which he has denied; British foreign minister Jack Straw said the TSA action "should never have been taken."


I see lots of allegations, lots of accusations, but no proof that he is/was a Radical Muslin.

UK Just a "Weenie Principality"
Poor little United Kingdom. Once powerful, it's now a minor player on the world scene, though the people still have cool accents and Prince Charles dresses quite well. And I thought FRANCE was going to become the first Muslim country in Western Europe. England may win this race yet. Whichever country does, the overarching rule the French and Brits must follow during the race is this: "Do NOT hurt the feelings of any Muslims."

Savage-the real deal
I listen to Savage every night. He along with a few (very few)others such as Mark Levin and Glenn Beck are real non compassionate conservatives. They have the courage to denounce the insanity of liberalism in all its' manifestations. Hannity and Limbaugh, in comparison, are almost Democrat light.

Britain and Tyranny - Nothing New
Britain has always been inclined towards tyranny and oppression. They brutalized half the world through imperialism, and oppressed our American ancestors. They made wood collecting laws so harsh that people living in the British countryside were forced to move to the cities during the Industrial Revolution.

Now, they are a bunch of leftist pansies who have become the very socialists they fought in WW2, just without the anti-semetism. They may have been on the winning side of WW2, but ideologically, their enemies won. The British government is a bunch of Chamberlain's.

Luna
Oh yeah...... According to Wiki.....

Well that settles everything ......

And just because you accept it as gospel doesn't mean everyone else has to.

WND and TH do have an agenda you moron! That's why they are referred to as conservative or right wing sites! That's why we read it and that's why you troll here.

Maybe Wiki, snopes and fact check don't have an agenda.

But you do.

I could smell it when I logged on to this thread.

So could everybody else.

Comment #16
It might be advisable to go back up to Comment #16, A Brit Speaks.
I gather that the English people are in the
same predicament as the majority of the American
population. We have a heavy handed, liberal
(socialist?) government. Here in the US, they
have the House, Senate, and Presidency locked in
and the "rules" of checks and balances no longer
exist.
Does Pelosi or Reid represent AMERICANS?

Comment #16 continued
For some reason it was sent prematurely. Sorry.
Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, Murtha and such.. do
YOU think THEY "represent" the American people?
Does Jacki represent the Enlish people? I
sincerely doubt it.
In America, as I see it and believe to be in
England also, is that the majority of the people
are silent. They say "I can't make a difference," when they actually mean, "I WON'T
make a difference" by raising my voice. "You
can't fight 'city hall," when they mean the
majority WON'T fight 'city hall.'
Ever notice that at the big protests, the signs are all professionally done? How many
'home made' posters do you see?
It is the "home made".. the "I" joined with others to become the (hopefully) MANY who will
publicly protest. That is why those with agendas which are repugnant to the average Joe
Doe win. They are ORGANIZED, MILITANT, and
WELL FINANCED by forces who wish to do away with
a free population....IN ANY COUNTRY!
Go back to comment #16. It could be written
by John Doe, US citizen.

people people people,,,,please
Just keep in mind that the antichrist needs all of this civil unrest in every country before making his presence known and before he can bring forth his complete false sense of peace to the world not just a few countries. These things are just stepping stones to create the civil unrest in this country that other nations already have, thanks to the nation of islam the breeder of civil unrest.

Weenie?
UK Just a "Weenie Principality"
Poor little United Kingdom. Once powerful, it's now a minor player on the world scene, though the people still have cool accents and Prince Charles dresses quite well. And I thought FRANCE was going to become the first Muslim country in Western Europe. England may win this race yet. Whichever country does, the overarching rule the French and Brits must follow during the race is this: "Do NOT hurt the feelings of any Muslims."

WEENIE? I LIKE IT, JUST AS I AM SURE MICHAEL ALAN WIENER (SAVAGE) CAN APPRECIATE A GOOD JOKE.

For Jim
"Poor little United Kingdom. Once powerful, it's now a minor player on the world scene, though the people still have cool accents and Prince Charles dresses quite well. And I thought FRANCE was going to become the first Muslim country in Western Europe. England may win this race yet."

And to think I praised you yanks for being civil on this a couple of days ago.

I should have known morons like Jim would come out of the woodwork with his nursery school grasp of geography and history.

We are not the biggest influence in the world, but we hold our own. considering our land area is the size of Maryland thats pretty damn impressive.

However Jim, Im wasting my breath arguing with you, because its clear you arent the sharpest tool in the box. So let me leave you with a thought you can understand.

The UK is not a religious country. Even you good old boys call us godless. We are, we are secular because we've evolved. You should try it!

And being secular, that means islam is also not relevent to us. We are a free society however, and permit religious worship.

The funniest point I throw back to your stupid idea we are going muslim, is..ready...YOUVE ELECTED ONE TO RULE YOU AS PRESIDENT. Jeez thats given us some laughs over here I can tell you.

OogyWoogy
"Location: MA Reply # 118
Date: May 17, 2009 - 1:45 PM EST Britain and Tyranny - Nothing New"

Make your mind up you simpleton. Your posts accuses us of oppresssion in the first half, then calls us pansies in the second.

You havent a clue have you?

You do know how the world views your country dont you? No? Well let me put it this way, its the first paragraph of accusations you fling at us.

It is really funny quoting ancient history to us, considering you killed the Indians and stole their land!

Justin
"Location: IN
The UK doesn't have an equivelent of the US Constitution and they DO NOT have any sorts of freedom of speech. If the ruling party decided one day to ban all negative opinions about them, they could easily do it and no one would have a single legal recourse otherwise."

You really dont understand our system of laws do you.

I understand you need things written in stone to understand it, we dont.

Our laws have developed through case law and decisions, custom and practice. Its a sill mistkae you always make that nothing it written down. It is.

And not only do we have the judicial system overseeing free speech, (note not the Parilaiment), we also have recourse to the Europen Court Of Human Rights. You have nothing like that system backing up your free speech.

Justin
"Location: IN
The UK doesn't have an equivelent of the US Constitution and they DO NOT have any sorts of freedom of speech. If the ruling party decided one day to ban all negative opinions about them, they could easily do it and no one would have a single legal recourse otherwise."

You really dont understand our system of laws do you.

I understand you need things written in stone to understand it, we dont.

Our laws have developed through case law and decisions, custom and practice. Its a sill mistkae you always make that nothing it written down. It is.

And not only do we have the judicial system overseeing free speech, (note not the Parilaiment), we also have recourse to the Europen Court Of Human Rights. You have nothing like that system backing up your free speech.

simian relic
simian relic
"Location: TX
Reply # 25
Date: May 15, 2009 - 5:24 PM EST A Brit speaks
Hello cuz? Well, I hope you are right about Cameron. And I wish you well from the deep south of the US. Many of us know that your Country shares many of the same values as we do. And to all of the fine military personel in Britian, I salute you."

Thanks! I feel the same about the US. Though I am sad at some of the stupid, asinine and downright nasty replies to my original post which didnt in any way be rude about the US.

For some of your countrymen and women who perport to be religious, its quite shocking how venal they can be. dont you think!

Georgia Boy 61
"Location: IL
Reply # 29
Date: May 15, 2009 - 5:55 PM EST Wake up!
I am a cynic, but I see the hand of influential British Muslims in this decision."

Thanks for that decent reply. It was a good synopsis and I agree. We over here think that there is some muslim influence.

What you maybe dont know, and clearly others dont with what they posted here, is the sh*tstorm that the decision and other decisions has brought about over here.

We are cleaning our house out, as you should. MPs are resigning here over many issues, today the Speaker Of The House resigned. People power.

As a country, we do not like religious groups influencing democracy. Can you hand on heart, say thats the case in the US?

Tea Party
"Location: WI
Reply # 33
Date: May 15, 2009 - 6:28 PM EST Indopas
Learn to understand what you read..first of all I am a woman,"

Nothing in your post indicated you were. So what bit did I need to read to understand you were female? You certainly dont exude any class, so I assumed you were male!

" secondly I am an AMERICAN born of
British immigrants from BOTH sides of the family."

Fine. So stop whining on as if you are an immigrant. You are not. You are an American. Stop pretending you have any clue about my country, because you do not.

"the current generation of Brits put up with..i.e. not allowed to defend yourselves or your homes from invasions, mayhem and murder; multiculturalism"

Erm last time we were invaded was 1066. The rest is tabloid bull you've read because it suits your prejudices and gives you the impression that you are in a better place. A psychiatrist would do the same.

"that will NOT allow you to talk about your Christian heritage while allowing your middle eastern squatters to dictate what you can do or say;"

We are a secular country. Its a concept you wont understand as you are in thrall to the religiour right over there.

"England sent great men of God around the world and now you can't even fill your churches, and have turned to government as your god."

And thats a GOOD thing. We dont need to worship make believe beings. Evolution is a great thing. You are wrong about government though...not really up to date on current news over here are you.
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