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Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Dennis Prager :: Townhall.com Columnist
If On the Wrong Track, Why Go Left?
by Dennis Prager
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Today's most widely accepted political belief is that because an unprecedentedly high percentage of Americans -- 81 percent -- believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, the Republicans are headed for a major defeat this coming November.

If this is the case, it can only be because the American voter translates "headed in the wrong direction" as "because the Republicans have had their way, so it's time to let the Democrats have theirs."

That should not be the case. I count myself as one of the 81 percent who believes America is headed in the wrong direction, and that is precisely why I am voting Republican. Moreover, I suspect I am not alone among the 81 percent in ascribing the wrong track to the leftist, not the conservative, influence on American life.

But if "headed in the wrong direction" really does mean for most Americans that voting Democrat will put our country on the right track, it is hard not to conclude that America has begun the decline that has ended all great civilizations. For if the Democratic Party -- given how far left it has become -- comes to control Congress and the presidency, America's values will soon stray so far from what they have been since its founding that it is difficult to imagine ever being able to undo the change.

Given that "on the wrong track" is defined as unhappiness with the economy, with President George W. Bush, and with the war in Iraq, let's analyze all this.

First, are the 81 percent unhappy with their own economic status or with the economic direction of the country? They are obviously not the same things. But whichever it is -- and it may well be both -- why do most Americans believe the Democrats' prescriptions are going to help? Why will a huge tax increase on all Americans earning over $200,000, on capital gains for all Americans and on social security (if Barack Obama is elected) help the economy?

When have tax increases ever helped an economy? Why will America almost alone among the industrialized democracies move in the direction of higher taxes? Are all these other countries that are lowering taxes harming their economies?

Furthermore, the economic plans of the Democrats to have the government take over health care and increase taxes will expand the power and reach of the state more than ever before, and will therefore make more Americans dependent upon the state than ever before. These are earthquakes in the American value system. If there are any values that can meaningfully be called "American," self-reliance and limited government are among them. The movement from self-reliance to reliance on the state is truly "un-American." For those who recoil at the use of this term, it must be noted that it in no way implies less love of America, let alone lack of patriotism. It simply states the obvious truth that self-reliance, individualism and limited government have been basic and distinguishing American values, and the Democrats and the left aim to undo those underpinnings of American civilization.

Second, regarding the unprecedentedly low popularity of President Bush, this, too, needs explaining and may not reflect well on the current state of Americans' values.

George W. Bush has passed legislation -- such as prescription drug benefits for the elderly -- that Democrats would pass; he is a personally decent and honest man who has led perhaps the most scandal-free eight years in modern American history; he has kept America free from terror since 9-11 -- something no one, left or right, expected; pro-American leaders have been elected in European countries most identified with anti-Americanism -- Germany and France; and until the sub-prime loan-induced credit crisis, the economy has been among the most robust in American history.

Now, undoubtedly the left will respond that this man is neither scandal-free nor decent since, in its view, he is a liar. "Bush lied" has been repeated by Democrats and the liberal media so often that they have both come to believe it. But it is the charge that is the lie. President Bush's claim that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was a mistake, not a lie. President Bill Clinton said the same thing when he was president, as did every major Western intelligence agency at the time of America's invasion.

It is hard to believe that "Bush lied" is the primary reason for his low popularity ratings. If it is, we are in deep trouble. It means Americans have been irrationally influenced, almost brainwashed, by the media.

Assuming, then, that "Bush lied" is not a primary reason for the president's unpopularity, the overwhelming explanation is presumably the Iraq War. But if so, that, too, represents an unfortunate decay in Americans' values. Whatever misgivings an American has about invading Iraq and removing Hussein, the facts are that America is winning now; that Iraq is becoming the first free and democratic Arab country; that Islamists are losing what they themselves call their most important war; and that, as a result of their barbaric cruelty in Iraq and their losing the war now, their popularity among Muslims (except Palestinians) is in decline.

Do most Americans really prefer Obama's and the Democrats' pledge to leave Iraq to the Republicans' pledge to win this war? No matter how horrific, even potentially genocidal, the consequences would be to Iraqis? No matter how adversely it would affect potential U.S. allies who will no longer trust our commitments to them? And no matter how much it would weaken America's domestic security, given an Islamist victory in Iraq? If so, we are in deep trouble as a nation.

If the answers to all these questions are that, by "wrong direction," Americans think we are too Republican and conservative and that a radically leftward turn -- the Democrats never had a leftist (as opposed to liberal) candidate win the presidency -- is what the country needs, we really are in decline.

On the other hand, perhaps most of the 81 percent think that "wrong direction" means, among many other things, the following:

-- Forty years of left-wing control of the news media, of Hollywood, of the public schools, of the universities and of nearly every big city government have nearly ruined those institutions.

-- Forty years of a litigation explosion has had terrible social and economic effects.

-- Children are being prematurely sexualized through early sex education.

-- A generation of children is being frightened about too much -- from seesaws to dodgeball to ring-a-levio to secondhand smoke to the destruction of the world caused by global warming.

-- The left's war against Judeo-Christian values as the bases of American values is leaving us morally rudderless.

-- Redefining marriage to include people of the same sex for the first time in history, while compassionate to gays, will be disorienting to young people when forming their sexual identities.

-- Multiculturalism is destroying the concept of an American culture and people. Obama and the Democrats even opposed declaring English as America's national language.

So 81 percent of Americans are right. We are on the wrong track. But the future of America entirely depends on what track it is most Americans think is wrong, and if they really believe that the radical "change" Obama and the Democrats advocate will be the right track. If so, it may mark the beginning of the end of the America that our parents and their parents and their parents back to America's founding lived in. The left, given its demonization of America's history, would welcome that. Would the American people?

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Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 
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On The Wrong Track!
Change is one thing, but I don't want my country to be unrecognizable! The radical changes Obama and the Democrats advocate is the last thing we need.

Kimberly
I'm going to send George Soros an email complimenting you on being the 2nd to post and for the number of words in your propaganda.

Perhaps you'll get a bonus...

Denying Dennis
Dennis says "When have tax increases ever helped an economy?"
Under Clinton, in fact the economy grew faster under Clinton than Bush II, you might remember that Reagan raised taxes 13 times, including the largest tax increase ever (FICA).

"that "Bush lied" is not a primary reason for the president's unpopularity, the overwhelming explanation is presumably the Iraq War."

Well, you might want to count the response to Katrina. More importantly, GwB has authorized torture, made more signing statements (meaning he can ignore whatever is in the law he doesn't like) than any president ever, largest increase in government expenditures, largest increase in government employees, and so on.
Oh, and the health system in the UK has pretty much the same health outcomes as in the US and does it for 40% less than is spent here.


Good point
While I agree with McCain on so called "liberal" issues of being against torture and for taking back environmental issues (although Teddy Roosevelt "conservationism" is a better term), John McCain needs to promote classic conservative virtues of thrift, soberness in thought, fiscal restraint, less entitlements and more opportunties, and smaller government.

Prager is indeed rather dense
See Kimberly on Reagan's tax increases, and add that rather than handing the 'Islamists' a defeat in Iraq the admin is in fact propping up the SCII formerly the Supreme Council for ISLAMIC REVOLUTION in Iraq, whose grand design is to create a autonomous Shiite zone in the south based on Sharia law and autonomous from the central gov't. Guess who else likes the idea? Iran of course, but then they created the SCII so it stands to reason.

It's Funny...
...how people who think the country is on the wrong track, (and who doesn't in some fashion?), believe that things could not get worse with the libs in charge of Congress and the presidency.

Things are bad so any change will be an improvement? How dumb is that? It's like the old saying: People told me to cheer up because things could be worse. So I cheered and sure enough; things got worse.

Higher taxes, completely open borders, a weak foreign policy, a larger nanny state, a smaller military, a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, validating terrorist leaders and a weaker Patriot Act are all designed to make things better? Yeah, right. That makes sense.

Raise Taxes Then
If the reason the economy grew under Reagan and Clinton were tax increases, then let's do them again. And the more the better.

The question was whether tax increases helped an economy. We know Reagan's tax cuts resulted in more tax revenue and precipitated one of the longest booms our economy has ever seen. So just think what would have happened if it had stayed that way. Eventually all the tax increases under Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton finally stalled the economy. In case no one remembers, the economy started to stall in the last quarter of Clinton's presidency.

Bush II gets some moderate tax cuts through Congress and what do you know - the economy began to expand again.

So which better helps the economy - tax increases or tax decreases?

Yeah, but...
This is exactly why we need to keep McCain out of the White House. The Republicans will be a minority in Congress for at least another two years and they will not oppose McCain's liberal policies nearly as much - if at all - as they will fight against Obama's liberal policies. As long as Republicans have 40 Senate votes and numerous blue-dog Democrats in the House, they can successfully fend off the worst of those policies.

Also, imagine a far-left Obama presidency heading into the 2010 mid-term congressional elections. The result could very well be a repeat of the 1994 elections. Now imagine a McCain presidency frustrating conservatives 70% of the time and taking the country on a slightly less liberal course than Obama would have. The 2010 mid-term elections would give the Democrats even greater majorities in both chambers. At the very least, there's almost no way the Republicans retake either chamber without explicitly running against the McCain administration.

Winning the presidency (which would only be 30% conservative anyway) for four years is not worth the cost of losing the next presidential election plus the next two or three congressional elections plus numerous liberal policies that could have been defeated if a Democratic president had proposed them.

Kimberly
I bet Prager regards your calling him an idiot ...as a compliment!

I know I would!

Mr. Prager,
You said, "that is precisely why I am voting Republican.."

To be more precise, if you vote for President (and presuming McCain is not derailed at the convention) then you are really voting Democrat under an R ticket.

The media loves to constantly harp on anything negative...the more, the better (especially if it has anything to do with Christianity, conservatives, Republicans, or conservative principles.)They attempt to support this utmost negativity with any dumb poll that will vaguely support it (even if only 50 people were polled.) This is why they continually shove the "wrong track", "people are unhappy" etc. b.s. every chance they get. Like anything else, if it is repeated often enough, people actually begin to believe it.

To my way of thinking, this is an opportune time for the GOP to take a stand on these negative issues and talk up how wrong the media (and liberal principles are), but what do they do instead? Let McCain do the talking for them!!!! And he simply agrees with pretty much every liberal position there is. HOW, pray tell, does this get us on the right track????

He's no idiot
Prager is merely factually wrong on a number of points he raises-- so that you can't help but reach his conclusion.

But leaving that aside for a moment, Prager is correct in that 80% dissatisfaction includes folks of many different political persuasions, not only "left."

That huge coalition of people of conflicting motives is precisely why you exaggerate how far left the Dems can push the country. There is only so much that can be done-- given the bad financial shape of the country and the fact there are many moderate Dems and fiscally conservative Dems who won't tolerate a return to the New Deal.

But positive changes on the cheap would come with Obama-- the symbolism, the energy, the wave of optimism that would sweep the country and the world-- priceless!

Change you can believe in
Given the limits to the progressive wing of the Dem party as well as the country's huge war debt, health care reform is probably the only big-cost item a first Obama term can handle.

Raise taxes? Yeah, to pretty much have MORE EFFICIENCY in the health care system to help grow the economy. That truly is an American value-- to do something better and at a lower price-- and happens to follow what the rest of the industrialized world has long recognized as a basic right.

81 percent are unhappy with "Bush"
What percentage of Americans would blame their dissatisfaction on the economy? The Dems are always blaming "Bush", not President Bush, on the economy.
Could "the culture of death," resulting in some 49,ooo,ooo million slaughtered babies who will never use or buy diapers,toys,food,autos,houses have a major impact on our economy? They will never give to our churches or synagogues. One owner of a transmission shop said this would not have an effect on the economy. Then I said will these dead babies ever come to your transmission shop in the future? He admitted they wouldn't! DAH! Bunny Collins

Is this a trick question?
Obviously, the country will turn left because the right has driven us into a ditch. The GOP's record is a dismal failure.


I'm one of the 19% that likes Bush
Bush is a decent man. Thank God that we didn't have Al Gore or John Kerry at the helm. Especially after 9-11. Imagine America now. I can't.

GW is no mental giant but let's give credit where it is due. Much of our problems are a direct result of the Democrats (and the MSN) whereas any gain, perceived or imagined, by the Bush administration has been immediately discredited or simply ignored. The is mainly due to the liberals still believing that the election was "stolen" in 2000. As a result ANYTHING that could give Bush credence has been denied by the Left.

Imagine if the Left had wholeheartedly supported our troops and their mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. Would the war and the net result be better? Absolutely!

The Left conveniently denies the failings of "Slick Willie" and blames any success by Bush as "wrong".

What a strange America that we have become.

Now in November we can choose between a Marxist and a Liberal Republican.

Dims Gone Wild
It's no coincidence that the economy has deteriorated since the Dims took over Congress. The economy was growing robustly until then.

Without U.S. market-based medical technology, the rest of the world would still be using leeches rather than MRIs.

If you don't like the way the war with the Islamo-fascists is going now, just wait till the Dims get their jackass hoofs on it! Rememer LBJ in VietNam? How about Carter in the Iran? Clinton in Somalia? Obama will make all of them look like Patton.

It's always amazed me that the Dims identify with the jackass to the degree that it symbolizes their party - their only entirely truthful advertising.

lets do it
Raise taxes by at least 30%, open the borders, Free healthcare! Everyone needs to be equal. No one is better than you. You are no better than anyone else. Get the government to pay for your college. Get the government to pay for an Iranians college here. Down with christianity, up with radical muslims! Disarm the country. And lets make crime and wars and fires illegal because we cant send anyone in harms way and laws are good, everyone obeys laws. OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA! For LIFE!!!!!! HEIL OBAMA!

It's time to realize
that Americans are just sick and tired of freedom, capitalism, self-reliance and being responsible for their own lives and actions.

The left is offering Americans a sense of entitlement without effort - promising them lives without risk. They are promising hope, change and joy, and all they ask in return is your mindless, unquestioning faith.

koolhand
How does that work koolhand? How does the taking of money from the people help an economy? If that is true then we start with the premise that the people have too much money. Oh, just the people with a lot of money we'll tax, just the ones who know how to make a lot of money and the ones who buy stuff with their money. We will give their money to the government so that they can make jobs. How does that work? How does government make jobs?

Well....?

(imagine the the sound of crickets)

GWB's missed opportunity
Failure to pay for what you spend is the problem!!!

In my not so humble opinion, the GWB led Republicans missed an opportunity to put this country on a sound fiscal path and correct any past sins/decisions of any party for the first six years they were in office and most likely would have retained control for two more if they had acted responsibly. They had control of the executive branch, the legislative branch and a sympathetic judicial branch . They could have corrected and passed almost anything that they wanted to but what they wanted to was to reward the K Street lobbyist for Big Pharma, the health insurance industry, Big Ag, the oil industry, etc. to name a few. Passing this awful Medicare D is an example of their clout. I believe that the bill even required Medicaid to stop negotiating pricing and lumped them in with Medicare to inflate the participation numbers raising the cost even more(If I’m wrong about this, my apologies). GWB did not veto one bill for the first six years he was the President.


Support Obama Truth Week
It is time that America learns who Barack Obama really is and how he has risen to power.

He is nothing more than a puppet of the wealthy, elitist far-left that has hijacked the Democratic Party. Read The New American Disenfranchisement and Support The Obama Truth Week at
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com

Obama Truth Week
It is time that America learns who Barack Obama really is and how he has risen to power.

He is nothing more than a puppet of the wealthy, elitist far-left that has hijacked the Democratic Party. Read The New American Disenfranchisement and Support The Obama Truth Week at
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com

American Self-Reliance
Self-reliance is one of the great American virtues that made our country unique and strong.

The only reason why anyone would want to get rid of that virtue is to increase their power, and let's face it, too many politicians today are all about increasing the power of the government.

I have a blog post I wrote on this very topic yesterday, titled I Am An American Part One. Stop by fountainabbey.blogtownhall.com and check it out. You can cut and paste the previous address or simply click on my name.

EXCELLENT ANALYSIS
Thank you Dennis. This is a breath of fresh air among the columns being written by most of the conservative columnists. Unfortunately, I believe, the Rep candidate and the party leaders don't see things the way you do. Personally, I do not find the leadership's or McCain's conservative 'campaign talk' believable. The believable parts are all the leftist policies that McCain et al keep espousing. McCain's proposed policies are all over the map politically. He's a Conservative Reagan Footsoldier, Liberal Enviro-Saint, conservative tax cutting hawk, liberal amnesty granting big government bennies for the little guy, and on and on. His only credibility is on The War on Terror and his tendency to go after his fellows while crossing over to the Dem side. If elected, I foresee him doing more harm than good, from a conservative's point of view.

Cyclist
To further your point, here's some simple math.

If I earn a dollar, and I am taxed 15 cents, I have 85 cents to put into the economy as I choose, and I will, either by spending and supporting retail businesses, manufacturers, and suppliers of raw materials or by saving and supporting the banking industry, or by investing and supporting all sorts of businesses. Normally it would be some combination of the three.

If taxes are increased so that I am taxed 50 cents instead of 15, I lose 35 cents that would otherwise go into the economy. I no longer can choose to support some businesses because I have less money to spend or save or invest. The government neither saves money in the banking industry (having the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department for that purpose) nor does it invest. Furthermore, the Government does not often make good choices in spending on manufactured goods, prefering the lowest price to all other considerations in most cases (with the exception being the support it gives prefered businesses ("Small businesses" or "minority, veteran, or woman owned") in some cases.) And much of the money sent into the government by taxes is wasted, either by negligent or unproductive employees, or on programs that fail and do not help the business that sold the goods.

More money in the hands of the populace is the best way to ensure a good economy. And cutting an indivdual's share of the tax burden is the best, most effective, way to put money in the hands of the populace.

Prager is NOT an Idiot
Kimberly: Your analysis makes me ill. You are so confused. You don't know where you are and you don't know where you're going. You are blind to what is happening in America. That is obvious from your inability to see the truth as expressed by Dennis Prager.

You are full of hot air with no grasp on reality. You choose to ignore what is happening around you and just spew garbage that the left pumps out daily like a copy machine that can't stop printing out the same page over and over.

People like you make the terrorists very happy. You focus on all the negatives and see nothing positive for the last 8 years of G.W. Bush.

You deserve a left leaning politician like Obama or Hillary for president who's policies will likely damage America beyond repair so you can see how foolish you are. But I cringe to think what it would do to my beloved America. Only GOD can help us if there are a lot of people like you voting in the next election.

Stupid Choices
Prager laid out eight items using the -- to highlight them. What has Jorge Bush and Republicans done over the past X years to combat those things or take us in the better direction? I used "X" as a fill-in-the-blank. Obama or Clinton obviously intend to take us farther into socialism. So do I vote for McShame? Why? What does he stand for? In two days, a couple of headlines were - "cap and trade" to head off "global warming" and "free" trade necessary to keep the US in the forefront of technology. So, I have a gallon of carbon credit that I will not use and you need one. We trade, with you paying me a dollar. Explain how that did anything to prevent or reduce "global warming?" The gallon gets used! If the dollar is taxable, I pay 25 cents to the IRS and the new Global govmint employees track my transaction and use up 75 cents in the process. And McShame takes credit for global cooling. McShame is a member of the CFR. That is what drives Jorge Bush and his minions as well as McShame, the flip-flip-flopper. He was for amnesty, before he was against it, before he is for it.

Bob Barr
Bob Barr...Bob Barr...Bob Barr...

Wrong Track
I feel exactly the same way. I took a poll from polling point where they asked that question, and you don't have a way to clarify which wrong way you see. I also see too much interference and gov. growth with Republicans also being guilty. As far as the economy, I live in Michigan, where we have been in a recession and it is not looking any better. There is a failure from many Michiganders, especially given the high union employment to understand economics. If you look at the election map, the Detroit area and the Tri-City area are heavy Democrat, and also heavy car industry and unionized. It is a frustrating state for us conservatives to live in; we want Hillary to win so she takes Granholm into her cabinet. We are also on the verge of passing a no smoking ban in all business, bars and restuarants with a Republican majority Senate. Go figure.

I must disagree
Kimberly, I disagree when you say the Republicans Policies. It is the Democrats that are in the majority of Congress and it is congress who make POLICIES and then send them to the President. The majority of Congress wants open borders, more PORK spending (our tax dollars) and more control of our values. They are the ones who will not bring up any of President Bush's recommendation to the Supream Court or any Court (they want only judges who dictate to the people).

This is one article that I have seen written that actually points out where America is headed and what will happen if Democrats are elected this fall.

People need to think about what Michael has said and then maybe, just maybe they will see or understand what is really happening in our Country.

If we end up with a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress, in 4 years you may not have the right to express your views on any subject, let alone on the web. Think about that right.
Joy

I must disagree
Kimberly, I disagree when you say the Republicans Policies. It is the Democrats that are in the majority of Congress and it is congress who make POLICIES and then send them to the President. The majority of Congress wants open borders, more PORK spending (our tax dollars) and more control of our values. They are the ones who will not bring up any of President Bush's recommendation to the Supream Court or any Court (they want only judges who dictate to the people).

This is one article that I have seen written that actually points out where America is headed and what will happen if Democrats are elected this fall.

People need to think about what Michael has said and then maybe, just maybe they will see or understand what is really happening in our Country.

If we end up with a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress, in 4 years you may not have the right to express your views on any subject, let alone on the web. Think about that right.
Joy

I'm one of the 81%
but unlike Prager I'm disgusted with both parties. Face it, it's hard to tell the difference. Both for example are pandering to homeowners who made bad decisions with their loans.
That's why I'm voting Libertarian (again)this year.
I'll come back to the Republican party when it regains its sense of fiscal discipline (no deficits!)and stops worrying about who's marrying who.

Wrong direction
Absolutely right. I have had the same experience as BelleStarr in polling. No clarification is asked. For me the wrong direction is the Democrat controlled Congress and the liberal left socialist agenda of Obama and the Democrats. The wrong direction is away from the Constitution and Democratic/Republican government to socialism, a redistribution of wealth, anti-capitalist agendas, more taxation, naive foreign policy, failure of our educational system, wasteful spending by Congress, anti-military agenda, and loss of individual freedom - The Democrats and Obama are the WRONG direction. The left loves to tout that Americans say "this country is headed in the wrong direction" - more equivocation and dissembling - exactly Obama. More left propaganda. McCain is the only choice.

left turn
THis is very well ststated and in typical Prager fashion clearly defines both sides postions

Kimberly is correct...
...sort of.

It is the fault of the Republicans (both Congress and President Bush) that we are as a whole displeased with the country's current direction.

This is however, because they (the Republicans) have governed like liberals:
They controlled both the House and the Senate during the first 6 years of President Bush's presidency.
They spent like Democrats.
They left the borders wide open for anyone who wants in.
They did not do anything to cut government programs.
They worried too much about world opinion and thus fought a war designed to minimalize the deaths caused by collateral damage.
They have governed with "copassionate conservatism", which is liberalism.

The problem is obvious, Bush has been entirely too liberal. Liberal policies ALWAYS damage the country, conservative policies ALWAYS help.

I sincerely hope that was as black and white as I attended.

RD


I am also on of 81%
Gregdn, you say you will vote Libertarian, well good for you, you and anyone else who votes that way may not have a choice come next election. I agree, we have both Democrats and Republicans who need to wise up, but remember, homeownership is just ONE issue, the larger picture is our JUDGES and where our tax dollar is being spent. I am tired of working for the government, WE hire them and then they tax us to death. If we vote Republican and give them another chance, you at least will have 4 years to get someone in the next time around. If you vote Libertarian, you just gave the Democrats your vote and you may not have a choice in 4 years.
Joy

Not So Fast
"-- The left's war against Judeo-Christian values as the bases of American values is leaving us morally rudderless."

This sort of sentence may have been plausible before the Bush/right wing torture scandal. Now, their place is clearly etched into the history of depravity. John Ashcroft once spent thousands of dollars to have a purple robe cover a topless statue in a government building, only to head on over to a meeting on the ways to best torture people.

and
"-- Children are being prematurely sexualized through early sex education."

Yes, that is why the right must take a step back and look at the consequences of supporting neocons..

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/iraqi-girls-as-you ng-as-six-forced-into-prostitution

Nice Point, Hardknox
You wrote:

"Bush is a decent man. Thank God that we didn't have Al Gore or John Kerry at the helm. Especially after 9-11. Imagine America now. I can't."

I can't either. Democrats complain about Republican presidents, but I shudder to think of a President Gore dealing with planes flying into buildings or a President Kerry dealing with global terrorism. Obama supporters complain about the emphasis on character issues, but they matter because each administration must address unexpected crises.

Somebody made the point today on Morning Joe that this election reflects a rise of the middle, and I don't disagree. I see the country as 20% hard left and 20% hard right and 60% on a range between the two. I can't live with the 20% hard left--they're un-American. I tire of the hard right and wish it would just shut up. Much as the hard right hates McCain, he's acceptable to a voting majority and has a track record of reaching across the aisle. In contrast, Obama, though he says he's in the middle willing to reach across the aisle, is clearly hard left. He's lying and he's unacceptable. That's where Obama needs to be hit.

Kimberly says Prager is an Idiot
I read no further, didn't have to. Why bother with typical bitter leftwing ad hominem and irrelevant attacks.

Oh, Come On Now
Taft, you talk just like the far left wing. Have you forgot the tapes we seen on TV of the enemy torturing our citizens. Why didn't you come unglued then? Is it ok for them to torture ours and then video tape it and send it to the news media? Waterboarding, at least we didn't cut off their heads. Don't use that as an excuse to vote Democrat, just say your a left wing Democrat and want government to take care of you and then you can be the government slave with no rights and can only dream of yesterdays treasure we gave up.
Joy

Oh, Come On Now
Taft, you talk just like the far left wing. Have you forgot the tapes we seen on TV of the enemy torturing our citizens. Why didn't you come unglued then? Is it ok for them to torture ours and then video tape it and send it to the news media? Waterboarding, at least we didn't cut off their heads. Don't use that as an excuse to vote Democrat, just say your a left wing Democrat and want government to take care of you and then you can be the government slave with no rights and can only dream of yesterdays treasure we gave up.
Joy

C'mon Taft
Re: Reply #39

You lefties have really GOT to get some new talking points, aka, "the best way to torture people".

Talk to us about morality when you stop killing the unborn in the millions.

When did Townhall attract the left?
Speaking of the wrong track... Did anyone noticed when Townhall started attracting lefty comments from the likes of Kimberly? I've read comments over the last couple days that are so shallow and irresponsible, I don't recognize the place. Me thinks the Obama campaign or the DNC/Soros crowd have found the place. Bummer.

The R's Missed
I love Dennis and I agreee with almost everything he has to say. I am however deeply disappointed in the last 8 years. The R's missed a golden opportunity to put this nation on the right track. They just became greedy and self promoting and did not care about the conservative values that they promised to uphold. Most R's are so depressed and do not trust any R to lead this nation back to our greatness. We so NEED A LEADER! If you are out there, PLEASE come foward!

I can't believe I'm typing this but..
King Liberal is largely correct.

The failure of Republicans to govern as conservatives is the major reason for our huge losses in 2006. Many of the incoming congressional Democrats ran as conservative democrats, and won.

Instead, the GOP is moving further left with McCain.

The Dems shouldn't be able to lose this election, but they will, in a landslide. The sad thing is:they will lose it to a liberal in Republican clothing.


Popularity is never the lowest
common denominator for right.

And wise thinking people have always known that.

The problems is the world is more full of foolish thinking people than wise thinking.

Realitydweller
Nice post. Bush's rating is so low because the very people who elected him have deserted him..because he deserted the reasons he was elected. Its entirely possible, as BrianR contends, and i sincerely hope, that as many voters want the country to move right as move left. Its just that McCain is not the man to do it. Its all too likely he is Bush extended and will just confuse the issues. What a mess.

King Liberal
Sorry, KL.

While I certainly won't dispute the sorry disappointment of the RINOs who became the "Dem-lite" party, your Dem-led Congress has even lower approval ratings than Pres. Bush.

Contrast their campaign promises with their record, what have they accomplished?

Minimum wage increase?

What else?

You May Be Right
Realitydweller, yes you may be right about Republican in liberal clothing. I for one am interested in Conservative Judges and the Constitution and what could happen if we get a Democrat as President. We may not have another chanch in 4 years to make the needed changes that conservatives want. Our choice this election year has to be well thought out, we need to elect a Congress to go with the President and if it is all Democrats, we are in deep shi-. There may not be another chance, judges are appointed for a lifetime and bingo, with left wing judges, we are doomed.
Joy

Which track to take?
I look to history and the constitution to show the way. I'm a Republican because it is the party that more closely advances the ideals set forth by our founding fathers. I don't agree with everything the Republican party does but the concept of limited government (government is a necessary evil) gives rise to liberty and self-reliance. The Democrat party has pushed for more government control (less freedom). They've tried to sell the idea of compassion and care for the weak and disenfrachised for decades now and all we've reaped was huge bloated programs that waste and squander tax monies. The poor and weak are kept poor and weak. The free market works much better that the vast majority of government programs.

Brainashed to the rescue !
Prager's viewpoint that maybe the left's direction for America is seen as the wrong direction really brought the brainwashed out of the woodwork! To them, their history began on Jan 21, 2001, completely exempting Clinton's and other's negligence in addressing the growing aggressions against the USA by radical Islamics.

Liberalism
The issues the author does not discuss are the very reasons we find ourselves where we are. The federal budget increased from $1.88 trillion to $3.25 trillion between 2001 and 2009. The deficits have stayed at constent all time highs, averaging over $500 B per year, which is 2 and 1/2 times as high as any other 8 year period in our history. The GOP is primarily responsible for this, as it moved to the left of the Democrats on spending. The GOP, further, via Bush and McCain, took the lead on amnesty, and did nothing to deal with open borders, which undermines their claims to be strong on terror, given that terrorists, if they were going to strike again, would have done so given they have easy access if they choose. Then, we have the issue of a dollar whose plummeting value is almost solely responsible for high fuel prices. In 2003, the dollar would buy one Euro. Today, it will buy only .6 of one Euro. Those who use Euros have seen their cost of oil rise less than 20% over the last 5 years - whereas Americans have seen their costs double, as the dollar no longer buys what it did. At the heart of this is the repeated actions of the fed which continues to use historically low interest rates to prop up the economy, as well as the fact that our budget deficits force us to borrow ever increasing amounts of money (our debt has increased by $4.2 trillion), and our balance of payments trade deficits, which in 1997 were only $100 B, ballooned to $500 B in 2003 and have exceeded $800 b for the last two years. Combine this with the costs related to having no control over our borders, which leaves us with the need to support an underclass of 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants whose cost in health care, education and welfare, exceeds $300 B - and all we hear about is spending, without any reality about paying for it.


WESTERN CHAUVINIST
You are exactly correct.

Destruction of the Middle Class
The voter dissatisfaction calculus is very easy. In the words of "It's the economy, stupid" Clinton, "It's the economy."

The middle class is being systematically destroyed and THEY KNOW IT.

It's ironic that people like Sean Hannity point out that the top 1 percent of this country pay 30 percent of the taxes AFTER Bush's tax cut. It's ironic in that Prager claims "since when will raising taxes on people paying over 200,000 help the economy". Easy, since the today when the rich get richer.

The top 20 percent of wealthiest people have claimed more of America's wealth during the Bush years than ever in history.

Bush wasn't kidding when he said, "some people call you the elite, I call you my base."

Figure in twenty years the top 1 percent of this country will be paying 60 percent of all taxes after having their tax rate cut to 0.5 percent. And Sean Hannity will still be claiming the rich are being unfairly taxed. Personally I think Sean should move to Mexico or any other 3rd world country where 95 percent of the wealth is owned by 5 percent of the people. Then he'd really have a point to make.

The BIG EVIL going on here is that people like Prager believe the public is STUPID and falling under the spell of the evil MSM.

When in reality, the 80 percent "wrong direction" are just voting their wallets, "Its the economy, stupid." The Republicans successfully cooked the goose that laid the golden egg, the middle class. All that "record number of home owners" gold is showing its fake "foreclosure" colors.

And the final word will be, they are all in on it. The Democrats have no more desire to change anything than George Bush. If anything they are just jealous he got "his base".




Further
Those who blame the Democrats these days have four fingers pointing back at the GOP. It lost power precisely because it no longer looked any different than the Democrats, so that today, a vote for one looks increasingly like a vote for the other. Bush is a big government big spending liberal. More liberal than any Democrat we've had. The author focus's on the social side - but ignores the rest - as well he might. There are reasons for what transpires - and ignoring much of the picture to focus on only those elements that seem favorable, solves nothing.

Entitlements, with their $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities, are now ramping up as the 75 million boomers begin retirement.

No amount of tax cuts nor tax increases can pay for this. Indeed, in 21 years, when all will be 65 or older, the costs of entitlements will consume most of the budget. And this condition, sensed by many Americans, creates much of the unease that relates to the publics dissastisfaction with things as they are. They know we cannot do everything, be all things, and pay for everything. Many sense that the dollar is losing its position as the preferred international currency, and that we cannot go on indefinitely running 20% or greater deficits, year after year, while borrowing the money. $250 B of the existing budget now pays interest on the debt. And it grows yearly. Sadly, no one wants to make the sacrifices - so they vote for change, holding onto the idea that some brilliant idea will emerge that will magically deliver us from this morass. But it is change without substance and without any possibility of success. And it won't work.




Dems and Libs
Democrats are to liberals as Republicans are to conservatives -- in other words, it is a mistake to assume that the whole party follows the views of the so-called "base." In fact, I would say that assumption is a recipe for disaster when it comes to campaigning in the Fall.

Prager is evil
Of course Bush lied.

I love it when defenders of W trot out the old "other people thought he had WMD too" line.

The fact that others believed he had WMD is totally irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is: Did the administration say things that they knew to be untrue?

And the answer to that question, to anyone who has examined the issue closely is, YES!

They told us there were ties between Iraq and al Queda even though our intelligence agencies were saying there was no solid evidence of a connection.

They told us that Saddam was reconstituting his nuclear capabilities when our intelligence community was warning them against saying such things because the reporting was weak.

Of course they lied!

And another thing. When Bush took office the debt was 3 trillion. It is now at 9 trillion.

Prager is part of the media wing of the military industrial complex. His job is to convince saps like you righties that it's a good thing that Bush and Cheney are robbing the treasury and handing out the booty to their buddies through contracts and appointments. And they don't care if they bankrupt the country. That's all part of the plan: weaken the government to the point where Grover Nordquist can drown it in a bathtub. It's a great plan for all of those who are in on the scam. But it sucks for everyone else, and our children. Prager's job is to make sure you people don't get so angry that you want to storm the castle. Don't fall for it folks.

You're scum Prager.

Phylo out.

Neither major party has "the right track
Dennis Prager is wrong about a lot of things lately, but he is right that not all of those who "believe the country is on the wrong track" are on "the left" or believe that the left-liberal policies of Obama and the Democrats offer "the right track". I'm not as filled with paralyzng, bedwetting terror of Obama as GOP loyalists would like me to be, but his big-government, high-tax policies are not my idea of the "right track" on domestic issues.

Unf unfortunately, neither is John McCain's big-government "national greatness conservatism", which promises to keep us mired in Iraq almost literally forever, to search around the world for still more wars we can't afford, and to exhaust our resources meddling in other countries' affairs and trying to dominate and reform the whole world. It's not even clear that McCain's domestic policies will be that different from Obama's, especially when he starts trying to "reach across the aisle" to a Democratic Congress.

So I'll be voting for Bob Barr,or whoever else the Libertarian Party nominates. There's no way I can help put the country on the "right track" in this election, since neither major party offers the "right track". But at least I can point the direction in which I think the 'right track" lies.

Bob_C
writes:

It's time to realize
that Americans are just sick and tired of freedom, capitalism, self-reliance and being responsible for their own lives and actions.

The left is offering Americans a sense of entitlement without effort - promising them lives without risk. They are promising hope, change and joy, and all they ask in return is your mindless, unquestioning faith.

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I'm sorry to say that I agree. Life without risk or responsibility...or freedom!

Bob, what are you doing in MA thinking this way? One day I hope to live in the "Live free or Die" north.

Change What?
All I know is that under Clinton, we paid around $4000 in income tax, under Bush we get $4000 back. That is a difference of $8000.
If you lived near the Canadaian border you would notice that American Hospitals have Canadian license plates in their parking lots. Rich Canadians come to America for health care. Canadian health care is not up to date and they dictate who they will treat and the waiting list is like 6 months for a appointment. In America you can schedule a much needed medical test that might save your life in a couple days. Have you ever seen the stupid government make something better and cheaper????? NEVER. They screw up whatever they get their hands on.
I just hope that in a few years we are all not wearing burka's and two feet long beards not because we want to but because we will have our heads chopped off if we don't and because our President played footsies with terrorists.
That change doesn't sound good to me. I reject that change.
I hate war, but, I don't necessarily want to be dead either.

Replies to the Column
"First, are the 81 percent unhappy with their own economic status or with the economic direction of the country? "

Answer: Both. My family still is making 20% less now than when Bush assumed the presidency in 2000. Almost all the friends/families we know are doing about 20% less or, in some cases, 40% less. This is in actual dollars, not adjusted for inflation or $4/gallon gasoline (under the Democrats gasoline was $1/gallon).

"When have tax increases ever helped an economy? "

In 1993, Clinton and the Democrats raised taxes. Result: balanced budget; reduction in national debt; and an 8-year boom in the economy that showed middle class incomes increasing. The problem now is that the Bush tax cuts have resulted in literally trillions of dollars of additional nation debt. So, yeah, rescinding the tax cuts will help the economy.

"have the government take over health care "

Now health insurance companies cancel the policies of people when they get sick. I know of people who are forgoing necessary care because they cannot pay for it or get health insurance that will pay for it. They make about $18,000/year and so make too much to qualify for Medicaid. Bush, McCain and the Republicans are content to let these "useless eaters" die. Health care is a Right for all Americans, not a luxury for the wealthy ... or at least it should be.

As for Bush: the original sin was his theft of the presidency in 2000. He may very well be a nice guy in his personal life, but in his public life, he is deceptive and destructive to all that is good in America.

Next?

Too koolhand

Dennis says "When have tax increases ever helped an economy?"
Under Clinton, in fact the economy grew faster under Clinton than Bush II, you might remember that Reagan raised taxes 13 times, including the largest tax increase ever (FICA).
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Facts CLINTON CUT THE CAPITAL GAINS FROM 28 % TOO 20 %
Facts The false Soft ware market lost 82 % of those CO.s starting the down fall of the markets .

"that "Bush lied" is not a primary reason for the president's unpopularity, the overwhelming explanation is presumably the Iraq War."
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Congrees and The Un approved the war .they didn't when Clinton went to Bosnia and we are still there 11 years later .


Well, you might want to count the response to Katrina. More importantly,
City of New Orleans leftist and the leftist Gov. waited to long for help
they are first responderes not the Feds ..duh !

GwB has authorized torture, made more signing statements (meaning he can ignore whatever is in the law he doesn't like)

ALL RECON MARINES , SEALS , RANGERS AND SPECIAL FORCES ARE WATER BOARDED AS ARE DIA & CIA FOREIGN AGENTS ,
YOU WANT A KNOWN TERRORIST FED CAKE TO ANSWER WHERE A POSSIBLE NUKE IS ?

than any president ever, largest increase in government expenditures, largest increase in government employees, and so on.

YOUR LIBERALS WANTED TOO SPEND 22 % MORE ON GOVT WELFARE !
Oh, and the health system in the UK has pretty much the same health outcomes as in the US and does it for 40% less than is spent here.

YOUR A HEAD CASE ENGLAND HEALTH CARE IS TERRIBLE AND IN DEEP TROUBLE .


Iraq War
During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln's son was a soldier in the front lines. During World War II, FDR's son was part of the D-Day invasion of Normandy. Lincoln and FDR believed the wars were necessary for America's survival. Contrast this with the Republican leadership: 99% of their children are fighting the war Mitt Romney's son's way: going to law school here in America. From their actions, the Republican leadership agrees with Obama and the Democrats: this war is not worth the death of their sons. (Other people's sons are another matter.) I have respect for McCain because his son is in Iraq; he really stands out amongst the Republican leadership in that way. (Of course, he is planning to keep his son, and yours, in Iraq for 100 years .........)

King Liberal opines:
"From our perspective we can't get anything done to due the most obstructionist minority in congressional history..."
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Ha, ha, ha, ha....

Now THAT is the funniest thing I've seen you write recently!

Yeah - I well remember all the bi-partisan "support" your Senators have given to judicial appointments - setting new lows in allowing nominees to get an up or down vote.

And as to Bush bi-partisanship - why do you think he has gained a reputation among conservatives as being "moderate" or, as some call him, a RINO?

One of his biggest cave-ins was early with his education package - most of which was authored by your man, Teddy Kennedy. And he's only recently found his veto pen.

I'm coming to the conclusion that you are just another paid troll, KL - revising history and spouting the Soros and DNC talking points.

Prager is headed on the RIGHT track
We have been headed down the WRONG track with the Left using Marxism as the train. The Democrats and the Republicans have used Marxist techniques and Ideology to accomplish what Russian Communism could not before it crashed. The WRONG direction toward a totally DEPENDENT social structure is as much the fault of the Republicans as the Democrats.

Put down that bottle of koolaid, Dennis.
Prager prattles on about Iraq becoming the first free and democratic Arab country.

But then "democratic elections" in Gaza ushered in Hamas, "democratic elections" in Lebanon resulted in more power to Hezbollah, and "democratic elections" in Egypt resulted in more representation of Muslim Brotherhood in its parliament.

The "free and democratic" Iraq's own elected parliament voted solidarity with its(Iranian controlled)Hezbollah brothers-in-arms recently who were battling Israeli forces in Lebanon.

Bush's "axis of evil" Iran even brokered a ceasefire between al-Sadr's forces and the al-Maliki government back in March(which is only natural since Iran enjoys a close relationship with both al-Sadr and the al-Maliki government).

Given the increasing Iranian influence in Iraq resulting from our invasion, whatever type of Iraq that does emerge from this venture will be far closer to Iran than had we never launched the invasion in the first place.

If 81% of Americans think our nation is on the wrong track, why would they not think a major reason for this unfortunate state of affairs is due to the policies of this administration?

Prager is in deep denial...and his swigging on the koolaid only makes him more so.

By the way, I am not suggesting Obama or Hillary are correct; only that G.W. Bush was clueless about Iraq.

re; Phylo
"And another thing. When Bush took office the debt was 3 trillion. It is now at 9 trillion."

Don't forget the 3 trillion dollar cost of the Iraq war.

Eisenhower was right and today's right wing is pathological. Eisenhower distrusted big government in all ways, not just "entitlement" ways. Therefore one of Eisenhower's defining moments was his speech about trusting big government in the form of the military industrial complex.

But, today's Republicans are all for an open-ended, "no expense is to high" warfare. Today's Republican trust big government in the form of the military. Thus we have literally pallets of millions of dollars being lost and nary a peep from Republican quarters.

But if a welfare mother gets too much entitlement, look out.

Small government means small government, not BIG military and "no questions, no accounting" war.

Chuck
Thanks for your post. Until both sides of the aisle accept their share of the responsibility, the drift that the GOP accelerated to the left, already put in place by the Democrats - will not stop. Finger pointing and blaming the other guy will solve nothing - which is what we're getting in this election. They can't pay for it - don't know how to pay for it, and don't have a clue what to do other than talk about next year, while borrowing against all the future years. We can't pay for the entitlements we have, but that's okay. Increase spending on health care. McCain proposes a $2500 tax credit for individuals and $5000 for families, Obama simply wants to increase direct spending. Both say they'll increase spending on the military. Neither have a clue how they'll pay for any of this, let alone deal with the chronic deficits we already have. Neither want to ask the public to bite the bullet on the Feds low interest rate policies, which will strengthen the dollar and reduce the cost of oil - so they don't talk about it. And entitlements? God forbid they talk about how to pay for those. 65% of the public wants to be a dependent - and that is what we've gotten. You and I are simply on the outside looking in. Flip your coin, take your chances, and wait until next year - and the next. And then, get that bat out of our closet. It will soon be time to start beating everyone over the head until they get the old message - their's no free lunch, folks?

King Liberal
Nah... I'll probably vote for Hillibama.

Give the country a good dose of Caterism so it'll come to its senses in 2012.

You are correct about one thing, though. McCain is YOUR candidate much more than he is mine.

America's Bad Values
Prager should at least have enough sense not to begin at the beginning regarding America's values. This is a country that was founded by Europeans who totally destroyed the Indians' way of life and dismissed that fact with some fiction about manifest destiny; a country at it's beginnings enslaved blacks and regarded human beings as chattel property, like cattle; a country that was soon to embark on wars of imperialism; a country in which women were second class citizens, if that high; this is a country that soon would see profound violent clashes between the classes. This is a country in which many classes of Americans have had to fight tooth and bloody nail to attail the status they have today. Today's values were not handed over easily nor were they won easily. Our values today were shoved down the throat of the elite power brokers of the American status quo.

Prager should learn some American history before spouting off. His own Jewish class of people had to fight and claw their way to a standoff respect in American society. The ACLU and the Jewish Defamation League did not spring to life capriciously through flights of fancy. There are reasons that Americans founded these militant organizations.

King Liberal opines:
"I would have voted for him in 2000 but no way not ever now. As McCain moves more tot he right less chance he has of bluedogs crossing over for him-the ironic thing is the GOP can't seem to move him far enough to the right to satisfy not just the base but the typical repulican (sic) as well."
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KL - what color is a cloudless noonday sky on your world? Here on Planet Earth - it is blue.

McCain's moving to the right???

Whatever you are smoking - you should put it down.

Ha, ha, ha.....

clinton's budget
The slickser did not reduce the deficit,he just cooked the books to make it appear so.

Folks/Dennis
"If so, it may mark the beginning of the end of the America that our parents and their parents and their parents back to America's founding lived in."

YAWN! Your fake history, fake competence and your fake values are now exposed for all to see. There is no dramatic turn to the left there is a massive and, yes dramatic, turn to the center from the extreme right. America was built by the people cooperating at all levels most of the time using government as a tool. As to the Bush Regime and Bush the torturer, the issue is more one of competence than Iraq. As Katrina exposed, all this extreme conservative regime could offer was incompetence. Little from our air traffic system to Iraq to immigration performs as it should. The people see and know this. Finally the christian right values that you claimed as "America's" are exposed as nasty and weak and FAR from Christian. It is over - just watch.

Socialist Street Urchins Trolling TH
Primus54 writes of King Driveral: "I'm coming to the conclusion that you are just another paid troll, KL - revising history and spouting the Soros and DNC talking points."

Sir, infiltration, dirty tricks, and propaganda have always been the hallmark of leftists the world over. After all, these dirty little socialist street urchins' heritage comes straight out of the Communist and Nazi playbook.

Talking about paid trolls and saboteurs, it's not enough that these folks have ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, Hollywood, every major newspaper in the country and control of most of our colleges and universities - NOSIREEE! They now have to also post their socialist drivel in the few forums we conservatives have left for fear they might "lose" their influence on the culture. Right! Fat chance of that with King Driveral clones trolling every internet forum and political chatroom on the internet.

King Liberal asks:
"Seriously can somebody name five things that McCain could do to solidify his party, rebuilt the brand, and get the GOP simply to trust him?
Is this a forgone conclusion?"

There is NOTHING McCain could now do to engender trust by the base (ie., Reagan conservatives).

The closest he might be able to come would be to name a pure conservative as his running mate - but he's too stubborn for that.

WRONG TRACK
It's obvious that Kimberly is the "IDIOT"! What fools some mortals are.

Folks don't recognize marxism
We have basically become stupid. Our education system is more dedicated to teach the "Beauties of Diversity" and "Fear Global Warming" than they are about teaching history lessons, sciences, Mathematics, and Language Arts. A well meaning liberal is easily duped into believing the state is the answer to our problems because the state says it is the answer to all our problems.

Obama - democrat running for president....I don't see the word democrat, I see the word socialist marxist. If libs believe that is the way, then we are trully in trouble, as anybody with a mediocre level of history education knows, MORE STATE CONTROL ALWAYS LEADS TO THE DESTRUCTION OF A SOCIETY!!!!

Twisted Logic
Firstt he cites international tax rates as ajustification for our policies, but why would the fact that virtually every industrialized nation in Europe and much of Asia provides universal health care.

And of course, Katrina was a media fiction and the we have been winning the war all along people just don't know it because of liberal bias. Oh and Osama was actually captured but the New York Times and MSNBC won't tell us.

The New Deal was unamerican even though a majority of the public loves the New Deal Policies like Social Security and and Medicare.

The Democartic Party is made up entirely of leftists, when the truth is the the moderates have been kicked out of the Republican party which is now more a far right party, while the Democratic party is in fact a center left party. (Proof the election of so many moderate Candidates on the dem side in 2004, like Jim Webb and Bob Casey.)

Bottom line the Right wing Dominated Republican Party was in power and for the average american things seem to not be working. Yes, these last few years have been great for CEO's and Hedge Fund Managers, but for average americans, well the polls speak for themselves.

One thing about Conservatives, they are not very reflective when they mess up they play victim or blame the media, or they fiddle with the statistics.

Finally, they resort to vague principles like individualism, accuse others of being commies, socialist, or unamerican. Why discuss policies when you can fall back on fear.



The public's concerns
A column plus dozens of posts from conservatives, and not even ONE says "Why don't we find out what the voters care about and THEN propose a positive program to deal with those issues?"

So I'm going to do that.

Let's start by what the polls show a majority of the public cares about:

1. They believe the Iraq War was not worth fighting

2. They are worried about losing their health insurance if they lose their job

3. They are worried about collapsing housing prices, which are causing them to become upside down on their mortgages through no fault of their own

4. They are upset about skyrocketing prices of food and fuel

Now, if the GOP had a modernized "Contract with America" that showed that we can offer a fresh start in all these areas, we would have a reason for voters to elect Republicans again.

So let me offer one that might allay the voters' concerns about the Iraq War, for example:

Republicans should pledge that they will NEVER AGAIN launch a pre-emptive war based on Human Intelligence (HUMINT), ever. HUMINT is far too unreliable as a basis for major war. That option will only be considered if there is unequivocal objective evidence of an imminent threat (e.g. aerial photographs, as in the case of the Cuban Missile Crisis).

How's that?

What won't work
In 1980, Jimmy Carter and the Democrats also campaigned on the following theme: "Yes, we know things are bad and the public is dissatisfied. But if you vote for the other party, things could get even worse."

That line fell flat on its face.

Americans have always been a people of risk-takers. We've always done what others said was impossible, from the American Revolution to the Apollo moon landing.

If the best argument the Republicans have this year is "The Democrats will make things even worse," they will lose the election, big-time.

What they need is to be able to tell the public, "We hear you. We pledge a fresh start. And here's our new, innovative program for the next 8 years...."

Put down the cool aide Kimberly
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Torture
The terrorists who have been "tortured" by American interrogators leave with all body parts fully functional, though they have experienced some fear and pain. Americans in terrorists hands don't get treated so luxuriously. The attacks on Americas war effort from the Left come from people who have labeled verbal comments they don't like as "violence against women" or some other such nonsense. The Left ascribes a template to acceptable behavior that comes from a utopia where our differences with our enemies are only a matter of misunderstanding and where negotiation always has power to cause people who want to end freedom to embrace it. There is a false belief that freedom and peace are the virile forces in an evolving society and that tyrany and war are recessive and would wane in their presence. There is no evidence for a "social evolution" of humanity that supports this pipe dream. Tyrany is the natural form of a human government. The freedoms we have are a fragile abberation in the human experiment that must be protected with force.

The trouble is...
we keep enabling a two party system. We've got vanilla and strawberry, two tv channels. Ridiculous when you consider the range of political ideology. So we've got left and right. We are on the right path and the public feels it's the wrong one, so that leaves the left fork. Sorry Dennis, but if you don't like it, start thinking moderately. That's where I and the majority of Americans sit. Odd that there is no candidate to actually reflect the interests of the majority. We could have a multi-party system which would require compromise and coalitions or we can hold on to a two party system that pressures neither side to work with the other. Pretty lame.

for King Liberal
King Liberal writes: "Stop talking about flag pins, challenging peoples' patrotism, get off the race card and focus on the issues that once made the GOP strong."

It may be too late.

This year, the GOP is in the same situation that the Democratic Party was in, back in 1968. Back then, the Vietnam War had been dramatically escalated by the Democrat President, Lyndon Johnson. That war had become so unpopular that Democrat candidates like Humphrey couldn't defend it to the electorate. But at the same time, they couldn't break with Johnson either, without splitting the party and guaranteeing a loss on Election Day.

Now the GOP has the same dilemma. They cannot defend Bush's record. But they can't break with Bush either, because the die-hard GOP base still supports him. So they keep waffling and wobbling, unable to define a clear message.

I really think the GOP can't begin to rebuild itself until after Bush leaves office for good. And the election will be over by then.


Hal Drunkahue writes:
HIC! LMAO! You Bitter, Small Town, Gun Loving, Bible Toting, Conservative, Hillbillies are STUPID! How stupid are you? You will vote for Shrillary Cankleton in The WV and Kentucky Primaries. HIC! LMAO! Look at how bad President Bush messed up Katrina. NEVER MIND that Mayor Chocolate holed up in a Penthouse Suite and did NOTHING to help the citizens of New Orleans. NEVER MIND that Mayor Chocolate have a parking lot full of city buses and NOT ONE OF THEM MOVED ONE INCH the whole time Katrina was incoming. NEVER MIND that Governor Wacko DID NOTHING to help the people of Louisiana, DESPITE the fact that she had 72 HOURS WARNING that Katrina was coming. NEVER MIND that Mississippi took THE BRUNT of Katrina’s Force RIGHT ON THE CHIN. But is almost COMPLETELY REBUILT! NEVER MIND ANY OF THAT! Any Half-Wit can see it was President Bush’s Fault! I can see it! HIC! LMAO!

HIC! LMAO! If Shrillary Cankleton had been President, she would’ve SAVED NEW ORLEANS, Shrillary would have ordered me to put my Fat A$$ in the levee breach and stop the flooding. As it is now, I will be out of a job if Shrillary Cankleton is not nominated. Does any know of a business that is looking to hire a Chickensh!t Colonel, Pencil Pusher? Wait I know where a Chicken Colonel can find work! KFC! HIC! LMAO!

Terry McAuliffe's Whine
Terry McAuliffe,Hillary's mouthpiece is whining about the news media.It just makes my day to see a Democrat cry about the unfairness of the MSM.

He says 90% of the media are in the tank for Obama.Poor Hillary is being treated like she was a Republican and it just ain't fair!!!

Hillary's crowd is so desperate,they are coming on FOX NEWS SHOWS !! Oh no,say it ain't so !!

If anything good can come from this 'turn of events',it will be that the Clinton Crowd will be so mad at the unfair treatment,they will abandon the party and deny Obama the coronation his crowd is expecting.

We have one shred of hope to save our country from ruin.It all depends on Hillary and her supporters.Come over to our side.We will welcome you,one and all.

Setrimacoky
"Folks don't recognize marxism "

What is a recognised definition of marxism?

"We have basically become stupid. Our education system is more dedicated to teach the "Beauties of Diversity" and "Fear Global Warming" than they are about teaching history lessons, sciences, Mathematics, and Language Arts."

Let's see you want only "good" history taught; you want science taught without the scientific theory i.e. intelligent design; math I think we leave untouched but I am not certain and finally language arts should include a foreign language need I say more?

I say you only in the sense of most posters here since I don't know you

A well meaning liberal is easily duped into believing the state is the answer to our problems because the state says it is the answer to all our problems.

Obama - democrat running for president....I don't see the word democrat, I see the word socialist marxist. If libs believe that is the way, then we are trully in trouble, as anybody with a mediocre level of history education knows, MORE STATE CONTROL ALWAYS LEADS TO THE DESTRUCTION OF A SOCIETY!!!!

Why I think we are on the wrong track.
I was recently sent a survey with the question regarding our country being on the right or wrong track. I answered, "wrong": wrong on unscientifically founded global warming hysteria; wrong on stubbornly refusing to drill and refine the oil that belongs to the USA while science develops other fuels; wrong on legislation on "hate speech" which is eroding our 1st amendment rights and one of these days, it will be YOUR speech that you'll go to jail for; wrong on blaming America for the world's ills and denigrating real patriotism. I could go on, but in short, Dennis Prager's article is right on. We are on the wrong track because the MSM, like the pied piper, is leading us and our children over the precipice. DAC

Ahhh folks
Look the little name caller is back. Feel better now little guy?

Hal Drunkahue
I feel GREAT, Fat Guy!

A little experience
with some of those immigrants Hal and the Dems love so much. Today the school held an assembly. When the colors were presented, many of the Hispanic students refused to stand, stating that the US flag was not their flag. Yep, they really want to become loyal residents of the US.

Communists who insult TH authors.
I would like to thank you on behalf of all the Conservatives at TH. You can't imagine how entertaining it is when one of you arrogant buffoons manage to stumble your way over here from CodePink and demonstrate your intellect with infantile insults. You lift our spirits with your convoluted posts that prove you have no substance. The dumb act you perform for us is superbly convincing. I want you to know we do appreciate your selfless sacrifice. TH would be as boring as MoveOn or DailyKos if you pathetic Communist clowns did not come here to amuse us.
Again, we sincerely thank you!

halD: Aren't you sick of your rant YET?

Pa-lease... the same ol' nonsense... time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time

Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah... UGH!

Please, if you want to say something, please make it worthwhile and coherent... and oh yeah, TRUE... That would be a good place to start.



Anne
halD: Aren't you sick of your rant YET?

Pa-lease... the same ol' nonsense... time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time

Yaddah, yaddah, yaddah... UGH!

Please, if you want to say something, please make it worthwhile and coherent... and oh yeah, TRUE... That would be a good place to start.

I wonder how Hal feels. The usually reliably liberal tax and spend supporting USelessA Today editorialized against passage of the Webb GI Bill, stating it was both too expensive, and could lead to a nret loss of 6000 service personnel annually. The paper actually said that either the McCain Bill or a compromise between the two billls were better ideas.

Hal
Welcome back, and my condolences on HDR's downfall. You say this, but you left out some things:

"As to the Bush Regime and Bush the torturer, the issue is more one of competence than Iraq. As Katrina exposed, all this extreme conservative regime could offer was incompetence."

Like, Prescott Bush (W's grandpappy)had business delalings with Fritz Thyssen, and likely had dinner with Adolf Hitler every Friday.

Bush 41 met Babe Ruth once, probably contributing to Bush 43's alcoholism. He was once the DCI, and he is believed to have been in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963.

Bush 43 has been friends with some Saudis, and is rumored to have double-dated with Osama bin Laden in the 1970s. And Bush 43 is also said to have ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to weaken the New Orleans levees ahead of time.

And mull this: George Walker Bush has 16 letters. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president, was assassinated (this was way before Bush 41 got in on the action in Dallas).

And Saddam, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Zedong, and George all have six letters. Coincidence? No, it's downright eerie.

But hey, in only eight months and one week, America will be rid of this band of thugs forever.




Lumberjack7392
"...experience
with some of those immigrants Hal and the Dems love so much. Today the school held an assembly. When the colors were presented, many of the Hispanic students refused to stand, stating that the US flag was not their flag. Yep, they really want to become loyal residents of the US. "

But they sure know how to get to you don't they LOL

Kimberly
Kimberly,

I don't know how to put this in a kind way, but you're an idiot.

"Americans have had to finally face the fact that in the lead up to 9/11 Bush and his administration did NOTHING to prevent the attack, and they had many opportunities to do so. It's all out there, documented and confirmed and undeniable."

Can you really make yourself look more incompetent? Have any idea how long Bush was president before 9/11 occurred? Have any idea if we were attached while Clinton was president. The left and the crape they (you) spew out of your brainwash heads makes me sick and I have grown so tired of hearing it. I believe conservatives generally sit back and let the left act like fools and spread their filth, but a time has come to stand up and tell the left to SHUT UP, sit your butts down and be quite before you do additional damage with your ignorant views on society.

Right on Prager
When a country is in a war against a brutal enemy I would think the last thing its people would want to do is adopt a sort of hippy, pacifist mind-set.

Joy
Don't get me wrong I will go ahead and vote for the lesser of three evils AGAIN and pull the lever for McCain.
I am tired of being told that I have to choose between sh*t and diarrhea for dinner (not to put to fine a proverbial point on it).

As far as judges go, McCain remarked that Alito was too conservative at the time of his confirmation hearings.....yikes!!

We may be too far gone as a nation. There are two generations of voters out there who think McCain is right wing, when he is in fact left wing. JFK was more conservative than McCain. The country has moved so far left that slightly left seems right to them.

Besides, most folk would rather watch the same Seinfeld rerun they've seen 20 times than actually get involved in politics, or the ideologies thereof.

Which is exactly what the left wants....keep the masses dumb, give 'em soundbytes that sound nice....then shove whatever they want down our throats....

It sure doesn't taste good...yuck.
RD

Drunkahue
its been a while puke. I still have access to that MOAB and I really want it to drop in on ya. What say you. HIC!!!

Lumberjack7392
"...I wonder how Hal feels. The usually reliably liberal tax and spend supporting USelessA Today editorialized against passage of the Webb GI Bill, stating it was both too expensive, and could lead to a nret loss of 6000 service personnel annually. The paper actually said that either the McCain Bill or a compromise between the two billls were better ideas. "

Saddened that too expensive and our troops are used in the same article when we squander billions in the middle east. They know that the 6,000 means if correct - the country will have to go to a draft to maintain forces rather than just using up the troops we have now

Mr. Prager
Are you serious? Of course not, you are just another GOP elite who is unable to defend the totally liberal/left drift of the GOP and its failure after twelve years of rule.

Did you miss the results of the last election?

Sure, the Democrats have gone to the far left extreme of the Euro-Socialists, but the GOP has stepped in to fill the shoes of any 1980's style liberal Democrat.

The only hope for this great nation of ours is to begin to reject the lies of the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines by voting third party/independent. I will do so as will millions of others who actually care about the future and not the political fortunes of the now corrupt GOP, may it rest in peace.

I urge all to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG and learn not only about my positions on ths issues, but also learn of 20 other independent candidates, almost any of who would be better than the lesser of two evils choice the two major elite parties are once again offering.

If enough of us vote third party/independent, perhaps we can inspire the many who are still afraid of the big lie that only the elites can govern this great nation. That is not true. Do you really believe that Hillary, Barack, and John are so much smarter than you or me? Do you really think they embody all the necessary wisdom, knowledge, and experience to govern? Really? The only smart people are Democrat and Republican politicians?

Visit the site and check out the other candidates. Why not? Our inheritance has been stolen by the elites! Are we ever going to do something to reclaim it? If so, when and how? Thanks, Joe

Liberals Are Lazy Little Piggies!
SteveL, everything you listed as what the "public" is concerned with is what you LITTLE SOCIALIST STREET URCHINS are concerned with.

Most of us republicans favor the war and wish Bush would now go after Iran!

Most of us republicans haven't the slightest bit of sympathy for people who lied on loan applications, were too stupid to understand variable rates, and who had their homes repossessed. Tough s*it for them. Their own stupidity is THEIR problem, not ours.

We are not worried about healthcare. It's you something-for-nothing socialists who are "worried" about it. IOW, you want the rest of us to subsidize it for you. Quelle surprise!

It's you democrats who are worried about the cost of food and fuel, not us republicans. We understand free markets, and unlike you don't want to steal from somebody else because we cannot afford something.

Like, what's next? Your crowd starts "worrying about the cost of cell phones, Nikes and big screen TVs - and we subsidize that, too?
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Love My Country but Hate Where it is Hea
"...I believe conservatives generally sit back and let the left act like fools and spread their filth, but a time has come to stand up and tell the left to SHUT UP, sit your butts down and be quite before you do additional damage with your ignorant views on society. "

Look at the damage you and your ilk have caused this country. The only thing that you said correctly was the "...conservatives generally sit back..." yup and I wager do their patriotic duty: shop, wear a flag pin and sport a we support our troops ribbon on your car...

Drunkahue
I hear tell that your CIQ is hanging around not to win the nod, but to let all her supporters know that she dodged grenades in Grenada back in the 90's, even though we weren't in the country at the time. Or were we?
I'll wait till she tells us!

Hal
It's past noon in D.C., so technically, now it's a little less than eight months and one week till we're rid of the Bush (aka Corleone) family. As an added bonus, America will get to see REAL competence from Obama and Pelosi. Can't wait buddy!

Going right
I voted for Bush and the Lreft is way off kilter as usual. However Bush is a fake Christian, how else do you explain the horrible fate of the Border Guards, Compien and Ramaos?

David B

AZPhil
you forget I worked on Bush 41's counterterrorism task force?

Hal
"you forget I worked on Bush 41's counterterrorism task force? "

Sorry, I get your resume confused with Robert's quite often.

So, what bin Laden like in real life?

Elect socialist pacifists will help?????
Let's see: voters are to elect a Party which has killed 45,000,000 citizens over the years. Elect a Party which will tax us to help the unproductive so that they will always vote Dem. Elect a Party which has always favored the enemies of the USA: Russia, China, Castro's Cuba,.Ven, the Sandinistas, Ho Ho Ho, over say, Nixon, Reagan and of course Bush!! Elect a Party which is now completely socialist and pacifist and disses regularly our free enterprise system.Elect a Party which believes that oil, drug, insurance, corporations in general are evil unless they support Dems!. Elect a Party which believes that having our own domestic energy systems with oil, coal, natural gas is evil but it is OK to get our oil from Chavez!. Elect a Party which would select SCOTUS jurists to create law instead of interpreting it. Elect a Party which would open our borders without laws so those entering would vote for Dems. Elect a Party which would endoctrinate our pupils , end home schooling , and make sure govt. schools rule the day. Yeah, that'll work for freedom, liberty , national security and holding on to our American values, history and heritage.

HAHA!
Hal Drunkahue on a MD 20/20 ramble!

The chairborne commando, advisor to nothing more than his cat.

OOPS
Hal Drunkahue is already misspelling words and it's not even 1500 yet. Wow dude, lay off the sauce!

HalD?
I thought you Communists wanted to surrender Iraq, disband our military and rely on the U.N. to protect America.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/interventionism_obam astyle.html

Reducing our military by 6,000 per year should please you CodePink Communists!

I wonder
how well reinstating the draft would go over with all the leftover peaceniks who now make up the Dumbbuttcrap Party, especially if Obama requests it.

HaHa!
Shame on you Guns calling the Laird aka Hal (not his real name) Doofus-Styne a chairborne commando Didn't you know he was vital to the national defense under "peanuts" Carter? That's why he became a lifer in the AF (RAF)

Rowly
Don't you just LOVE how Hillary and her flacks are discovering the discomfiture conservatives have known for years when the MSM turns on you? I'm sure right now the Clinton crowd IS thinking of ways it can deny Obama his coronation in November, which would all but certainly end Hillary's White House hopes once and for all unless she's the VP, and with each passing day that grows increasingly unlikely, although I've been saying for months it would never happen. The problem Hillary has is not making her sabotage of Obama's presidential campaign look too OBVIOUS. Well, this is a job right up her husband's alley: a seemingly careless slip of the tongue, and VOILA! This is one time she can let her husband's lack of discipline HELP her rather than HUMILIATE her.

By the way, my employer just hired a young woman from Georgia (I see you're from there). Unfortunately, she's quite liberal: wouldn't be at all surprised to find out she voted for Cynthia McKinney (although she's white). Oh, well, Missouri's loss is your state's gain. Although anytime Zell Miller decides to relocate to Missouri, I'll welcome him with open arms.

Oh, here's a little historical factoid for anyone who reads this post to consider regarding the (in my mind, MINISCULE now) possibility of Hillary becoming Obama's running mate and possibly getting elected VP. WHOEVER wins on November 4 will become only the third person in U.S. history to go directly from the U.S. Senate to the White House. The first two were Warren Harding and John Kennedy. Neither of them lived to see the end of their first terms. I'll let each of you decide for yourself what that portends regarding the implications of Hillary winding up as the running mate on a presidential ticket this year.

Love
The Laird writes:

"Look at the damage you and your ilk have caused this country. The only thing that you said correctly was the "...conservatives generally sit back..." yup and I wager do their patriotic duty: shop, wear a flag pin and sport a we support our troops ribbon on your car..."

Yeah! Yeah! Whatever

Soros and McCain
A couple of posters have intimated a Soros connection to disparage those that were not spouting the party line here. A brief glance at the following Soros and McCain connection might be enlightening. http://sibbyonline.blogs.com/sibbyonline/2008/02/soros-and -mccai.html
I don't have much use for Soros either. But then that is along the same line of reasoning that I don't care much for McCain.
I wonder what McCain plans to say at the La Raza convention this year...

GunnyG
If Hal Drunkahue drinks enough, The Cat ADVISES HIM!

Courage
Hey Guns!! Did you hear that the Laird got into a verbal altercation with a Southern Pilot who invited him to step outside to settle it? Guess what happened. The Laird went crying to the Base Commander. Another fine example of being vital to the national defense.

Love my Country.......
Kimberly's little rant is an prime example of liberal's short memory span. Clinton had more opportunities to capture bin laden than Bush prior to 9/11. Clinton also called for regime change in Iraq as well as stating that Saddam had WMDs. Listening to them, you would think there was no such thing as terrorism until the day Bush was first sworn into office.

WilliBeax
Hal Drunkahue thought he was being aksed to defend a National Premiun Beer Truck.

Georgetwin/Cube
"If Hal Drunkahue drinks enough, The Cat ADVISES HIM! "

That sounds dangerously like Son of Sam, though it was a dog as I recall...

"Kimberly's little rant"

Um, yeah. I haven't seen your name much here. Just to acquaint you with Kim's MO, she swoops in early, spouts liberal nonsense, then flees before anyone can rebut it (which is usually about 45 seconds). Like a homeless guy telling you he came here in a spaceship from Zelnac, Kim is best ignored.

Standinghisground
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,as the saying goes.This is one vendictive woman and someone will pay ,if she is denied 'her reward'. She has schemed and planned for it since her days in college.

Can you imagine her facing all her fellow senators and representatives,after November? They have almost all turned against her. She will be out for blood and it will NOT be pretty.

Zell Miller was not popular when he was first elected.One of the first things he did was to get laws passed that raised the fees on almost everything in Georgia.It made many enemies until everyone saw how much it helped the state.

In my opinion,his finest hour was his speech at the Democrat Convention.How dare he bite the hand that fed him? Well,they heard the truth for one time and they still hate him for it.His next highlight was his blow-up at Chris Matthews.I almost lost it that time!!

Cynthia McKinney is one lunatic.Just like her dad.(We have a lot of them in Ga.).A little knowledge is a dangerous thing on some folks.She will probably try again,if BHO is president.

Zell is still a professor at Young Harris,I believe.Also,thank your employer for relieving us of another lefty.We have lots of them to spare,though...Thanks..

amusing
Prager's fantasy is particularly funny coming as it does on the day of the third special election in a "safe" Republican district. The first two went to democrats, one in Illinois and one in Louisiana. The one today is in Mississippi and it is occurring because the first round did not produce a winner with the democrat getting something like 49% of the vote.

The idea that those anti-Bush votes are voting Republican is pretty silly.

Getting to the heart of the matter
Thank you, Mr. Prager, for your common sense. I would like to see more articles of this nature.

Lon
I'm voting for Obama and hoping for total democratic hegemony in Washington. I miss the scandal-free, prosperous days when the dems were in charge and the government was efficient. Oh well, only another eight months and seven days.

RightMinded Gal
Stay Tuned, there are LOTS of articles in this vein on TH.

What's wrong? Look to DC.
One thing we forget is that this country is as strong and productive as it ever has been. And, who makes it that way...everyday Americans, not the politicians.

Only fools give credence to contrived media polls, which are agenda driven and are designed to create news and controversy. Media creates a poll and then interprets for us as to the result they want. So, just to say people want change is at least simplistic and at worst dangerous.

It is no secret that government is the root of most every problem we face today in this country. The politicians try and smooth talk us, promise new programs, throw money at us, cast blame, all in an effort to distract us from their incompetence.

If anyone is to blame it is us for allowing ourselves to be caught up in the politicians games of confusion and distraction.

We, as Americans, need to get back to our core beliefs of people who are enterprising, inventive, hard working, and self-sufficent. Start casting off any ideas and programs that lead to government intrusion and oppression (i.e. taxes, global warming).

Hal:
What problem do you feel is not in the purview of the government to solve?

AZPhil
"...Sorry, I get your resume confused with Robert's quite often."

Ahhh and here you folks are always saying you know everything about me that is in between calling me names LOL soooo weak you are

Hal
"It's you democrats who are worried about the cost of food and fuel".

Actually, Owlgore's ethanol mandate didn't help, and if anyone would be concerned about rising ethanol prices, I would think you'd be first in line.

Hal
"Ahhh and here you folks are always saying you know everything about me that is in between calling me names LOL soooo weak you are"

Um, not me.

By the way, when you advised Bush 41, did you ever meet The Torturer?

Nonsense
"Actually it sounds as if you are perhaps the greater liability to society"

More nonsense the Laird who himself was vital to the national defense. One more hour to "happy hour".

Speaking of LMAO
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080512/D90KBA000.html


letemeatfreehealthcare/SteveL
I hope this helps you understand the futility of reasoning with HalD

Hal is a pathetic nothing with an insane compulsion to be something.
An obese ugly alcoholic who allows himself to be used by Huffington Post just to gain notice.
His conceit combined with his insane compulsion to be noticed has already earned him the disgust of Conservatives.
While claiming to have dwellings and interests in other Nations, he constantly whines and complains about everything America does. He wants you to notice him, even if he has to earn your contempt to do it!

More amusement
http://www.variety.com/VR1117985577.html


Hard to be a conservative
It must be tough to be a conservative these days. Your president has the lowest approval rating of any predident since they started polling. Republican Party are changing there affiliations to independent and Democrats in record numbers.

You can try to spin this anyway you want but the only conclusion is that you had a lot of people leaning your way, enough to put you fully in power and what they got was incompetence, untested ideological theories, that did not deliver for average Americans.

You insult Americans when you suggest that all it wonderful and people were simply fooled by the media.

So what will you do now? Fold up your tents and return to the marginalized role you had prior to the Reagan Administration.

How long can you keep peddling the same limited prescription for every problem. A tax cut, cutting goverment services, deregulation, and school prayer. Americans want leaders who can roll up their sleeves and solve the big problems facing this country without regard to rigid ideological principals.

People want results.

While the Republican candidates were arguing about who raised or cut taxes more or less. The Democrats were talking about how to solve this country's biggest challenges. The contrast was stark. The Dems don't have all of the answers, but at least they are focusing on the right questions.

Kinky Liberal
It is refreshing to see you post something that does not contain outright lies and distortions.

You have shown great improvement!

Your erroneous conjecture and BDS is to be expected and perfectly proper for a Communist.

Keep up the great work!
AND;
Please try to grasp the FACT that you Communists elected Bush by DEFAULT when THIS was the best you could offer to run against him;
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/john-kerry-gained-fame-t hanks-to-phony-soldiers

Please stop whimpering about your self inflicted pain!

Lumberjack7392
"...What problem do you feel is not in the purview of the government to solve? "

Government is a tool - nothing else. We used it to open the west (Ohio then) under Washington and to build the transcontinental railroad and to land on the moon. Government works for us. Why should we be afraid of it? Much more rightly, government should fear us. I guess this is yet another example of conservative fear and timidity

Agree with Kimberly
Prager seems to have lost what little grounding he had the planet Earth. How is McCain going to help us out of the current recession. And yes, I realize that a good many of you will jump upon the word recession and throw thousands of websites at me, and we will get distracted over the correct definition of a recession. Fortunately, that is not the point. You cannot dispute that the country's economy is going downhill. The only real thing that I have seen for McCain is to lower taxes, and cut the tax on gas. Are you serious? Cutting the gas tax will only increase OPEC profits. In fact, the only thing that a gas tax drop will cut will be the already struggling government income. We need to increase taxes, and figure out a better way to fund this war. My suggestion all along was just to drop a couple dozen MOABs down upon Fallujah back when all the terrorists started congregating together. Now we have this mess. We should pull out of Iraq, except around oil fields, where we will provide "strategic task force" to deal with any threats to our diminishing oil supply.

AZPhil
"...By the way, when you advised Bush 41, did you ever meet The Torturer?"

No he was rightly invisible. Bush 41 was a great guy I suspect he is deep down very embarrassed by 43

JMO51
You speak so eloquently on behalf of the American people when you spew your Communist fantasies.

You newbe Communists should read for a few days before you parrot your stale propaganda.
You might not look so boring and devoid of intellect.

We know who and what you are and the change you want to bring us!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29 612

http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

Hal
"I guess this is yet another example of conservative fear and timidity"

Yes, just the other day I went hiking in the mountains. I gassed up the old 4WD because I was AFRAID I'd run out of gas, then I wore my seat belt because I was AFRAID I'd get in a wreck, and I wore sunscreen because I was AFRAID of getting burnt, and I wore boots because I was AFRAID of rattlers. That night I went to bed sucking my thumb.

Yep, I'm a conservative and I'm terrified of almost everything. Well, except for DDT, the population bomb, global warming (or is it cooling this week?), acid rain, the ozone hole, and guns - those are all more liberal issues.

Hal Drunkahue writes:
HIC! LMAO! You Conservatives are THROUGH as a force in The GOP. From here on out, ANY Republicans elected will be spineless jellyfish like Wobbie and I. WE WILL never attack anyone without the expressed written consent of The Portuguese Peter Puffers, The Dutch Dopers and The French Track Team, also known as The UN. HIC! LMAO!

HIC! LMAO! You Conservatives DON’T UNDERSTAND why The Government should bailout STUPID HOMEOWNERS. We Liberals have The NEA in our hip pocket. STUPID PEOPLE that are TOTALLY DEPENDENT on The Government is WHAT WE WANT AMERICA TO BECOME! HIC! LMAO! The same with Health Care, WHY SHOULDN’T YOU PAY FOR MY HEALTH CARE! I defended America when The Great Coward, Jimmy Carter, was president and we WERE NEVER ATTACKED by Iran. NEVER MIND the show of COWARDICE Jimmy and I put on, YOU WERE NEVER SAFER than when Jimmy and I were protecting you. HIC! LMAO!

HIC! LMAO! As for Ethanol, it is a BRILLIANT IDEA by another Fat Liberal Moron. NEVER MIND that it costs more to make than gasoline. NEVER MIND that it burns HOTTER and FASTER than gasoline and will give you lower mileage, engine trouble and higher costs for food AND fuel. HIC! LMAO! NEVER MIND that The Tree Huggers have US LIBERALS in THEIR BACK POCKET! NEVER MIND that a new oil well/refinery hasn’t been opened in America for 30 years. NEVER MIND that Plastic Surgery Pelosi said she would BRING FUEL COSTS DOWN! FORGET ALL OF THAT! With us Drug Addled, Leftover Hippie, Tree Hugging Liberals it is INTENTIONS that count, not RESULTS! HIC! LMAO!

HIC! LMAO! When are you IDIOTS going to realize that STRONG, SELF SUFFICIENT, PEOPLE ruin a country? Only Brain Dead, Government Dependent, Liberals make a country great! Look at Holland, Sweden and Denmark. OOPS! Gotta Run! It is Danish Happy Hour at the bar tonight. Buy a Carlsberg and get a Tuborg FREE! HIC! LMAO!

JMO
"It must be tough to be a conservative these days. Your president has the lowest approval rating of any predident since they started polling. Republican Party are changing there affiliations to independent and Democrats in record numbers. "

Do you remember the period from 1968-1976? Basically, the synopsis is this: Republicans were in the White House. An unpopular war ended (in 1973, or 1975 depending how you keep score). A Republican president had resigned under threat of impeachment. The economy was pretty bad - stagflation.

Then in 1976, with no one wanting to vote for a Republican for other than dog catcher, along came a neophyte out of nowhere. He had a big grin, and asked stuff like "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" No one knew much about him but wanted a change, and he was swept into the White House by the anti-Republican sentiment. Does anyone of this sound familiar?

So you ask, "is it tough being a conservative?". Well, after a rough patch for my party, things actually went pretty smooth for a while. And 2008, if it were a song, is sounding a lot like a remake to me.

Hal:
You did not answer the question. What problem is not in the purview of the government to solve? All you wrote was a mishmash of bad history.

Hal
"No he was rightly invisible. Bush 41 was a great guy I suspect he is deep down very embarrassed by 43"

I did a little digging, and Bush 41's old man was a Nazi-lover, Bush 41 was in the CIA and likely had a role in the JFK slaying, and of course Bush 43 was friends with bin Laden for 15 years. I'll bet you'll be glad to see this "family" ousted for good next January, huh?

As far as Bush 43 being invisible, he was probably just pulling wings off flies, or waterboarding dogs.

jm051
""It must be tough to be a conservative these days. Your president has the lowest approval rating of any predident since they started polling. Republican Party are changing there affiliations to independent and Democrats in record numbers.""


See? this is why a liberal will never understand what it is to be a conservative.

Jm, You just don't get it, unlike you liberals, we don't need outside stimulus to verify our sense of right and wrong.
We don't live and die by poll numbers, we do't bend like a reed in the political winds looking for a politically advantageous place to stand on an issue.

We don't need Barack Obama to be our national conscience like you do, we get our marching orders from a much higher source (and no I don't mean rush limbaugh you twit)

Conservatives don't see the world in "shades of grey" like you do, that's why we can'y use moral relativism to equate killing innocent babies with executing a mass murderer.

Conservatives don't hae to twist ourselves into mental pretzels while trying to defend indefensible people and acts (like Bill ayers)

Conservatives deal in Facts, and Reason, libs are all about how it makes you FEEL.

As a much wiser man than me said a long time ago Facts are Stubborn Things. Someday you might grow up enough to learn this on your own.

Jackpine
Well said!

LJ7392-AZPhil
Hal Drunkahue CONSTANTLY screeches about Conservative Fear, yet MYSELF and MANY OTHERS have offered to meet him personally and let him spew his Bravo Sierra face to face.

The only way I would fear Hal Drunakhue was if I was between him and the Breakfast Buffet at Bob Evans and Hal Drunkahue was holding a KNIFE ANF FORK!

LATER!

HalD?
You use the word "fear" in place of concern or apprehension like some sissyfied wuss who has never known danger or had an opportunity to become familiar with fear.
Fear is not a bad thing. Fear sharpens your senses, speeds your reflexes and triggers a surge of adrenalin to supercharge your body like nitromethane injectors supercharge a racing engine.
Fear is a good thing but it is finite. When you use up all your fear there is nothing left but rage and rage dulls the senses.
Rage is also finite and when it is gone,,,,,,,,,,,,,!

Only criminals and cowards fear guns in the hands of honest men.
Which are YOU Hal?

To everyone
Click on my name and stop by my blog to learn about Carl Magee, a great American whose achievement has touched the lives of all of us.

Hope to see all of you there!

Obama = Soros
Americans who don't know who George Soros is and what his uber-left, socialist agenda will mean for America should Obama be elected POTUS will one day wake up to realize that Obama's feel good, change, change, change mantra is making them sick to their stomach.

Obama is Soros' protege. Phase 1. He didn't arrive on the national scene by accident. He has been groomed for this moment for many years, jumping through all the right hoops, rubbing elbows with all the people, especially those who could give him street creds in a place that was not his hometown/state. He has been guided behind the scenes by his surrogate sugar daddy George Soros and his minions.

How is it that a 1st term Senator with no record of sponsoring any major piece of legislation in the Senate in his 3 years there, no record of "reaching across the aisle", and no experience governing and is the #1 most liberal Senator in the house can rise like a comet, like a rock star, without the guiding hand of someone who has access to billions (that's billions with a big "B") dollars?

I have no doubt that once Obama is installed as president, Soros will move to Phase 2 of his transform America plan and begin to implement his wacky, looney, socialist left-wing agenda that will be the beginning of the end for the United States as we know it.

If you doubt me, fine. Just do yourself a favor and read up on George Soros before you decide to cast your ballot in November for the most ultra-liberal representative in the Senate and ask yourself is this what you really want in a president? You will find George Soros' fingerprints all over Obama's candidacy and you should ask yourself why is that?

Too late
Prager writes: "...America has begun the decline that has ended all great civilizations..."

Um... too late, and wrong nomenclature.

First off, America is not a civilization, let alone a great one. The civilization is the West.

The West began its decline no later than the middle of the 19th century, with the writings of Marx, but arguably as early as the mid-16th century with the secular Enlightenment writers, Rousseau and Voltaire.

What we're seeing in America is a microcosm of the decline of the West, the decline of the American experiment in self-government. The decline is the result of America throwing off its religion, then its intellectual ability, and now, as a result of the first two, its commitment to individual liberty.

And, yes, the blithe approval of Democrats simply because Republicans didn't produce a trouble-free world is a symptom of the decline of American intellectual ability. How does it make sense for America to embark on a socialist experiment a mere 30 years after the entire rest of the world rejected socialism as unworkable? We're about to repeat the mistakes of the Soviet Union, while the wretched outcome of their mistakes are still fresh in memory.

America is living proof that human beings are not rational creatures -- and that socialism is the result of unbridled arrogance. We're about to become proof (for the nth time) that socialism is disastrous.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Click on my nickname and follow the links on my townhall blog. Thanks.)


I agree, Dennie: don't go left....
...go North. Canada will have the lowest corporate tax rate of the G8 by 2012, yet remains relatively unfettered by the grotesque tumours currently sucking the life out of the US economy:

- The need to feed the biggest, most self-serving bureaucracy on the planet (US DoD)

- Indentured servitude to Saudi Arabia

- The crippling dogma preventing government from investing in infrastructure which complements free market forces

- The staggeringly costly decision by your government to hobble vital stem cell research by treating trash-bound embryos roughly a million times better than they treated innocent Iraqi citizens during the carpet-bombing of Baghdad, or the White-Phosphorous melting of Fallujah

- The grotesque disease of bigotry in all of its greasy manifestations (undervaluation of immigrant labour/skills/culture, marginalization based on gender/race/orientation, religious wars, etc.)

I'm not claiming Canada is free of all these afflictions; I'm just saying you won't know how bad you had it until you get here.

We're happy to take all economic conservatives; social conservatives need not apply.

JMO51
Is this your prison serial number,or your sanitorium number? Surely people like you are roaming the country freely.

The Cyclist
Really: " In case no one remembers, the economy started to stall in the last quarter of Clinton's presidency."

Not because of tax policy, the point I made was that tax policy doesn't have nearly the impact that people like Dennis, and he's convinced you, think it does. When the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 were put in place, individual (individuals were the primary beneficiaries) tax revenues dropped and in real terms have not reached the levels prior to the cuts.
More importantly, the government simply can't continue to handle the deficits rung up since GwB took office without affecting the value of the $.
For individual tax collections I looked at OMB data at the White House web site.

GDP Comparisons
"Let’s see – real GDP as of 2007QIV was only 18.1% more than it was as of 2000QIV, which translates into an average annual growth rate of only 2.4%."
Here:http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2008/04/weakest-real-gdp-growth-since-when.html

Presidential comparisons:
Kennedy-Johnson -- 5.2%
Clinton -- 3.6%
Reagan -- 3.4%
Carter -- 3.4%
Nixon-Ford -- 2.7%
Bush II --2.6%
Bush I --1.9%

Here:http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=why_would_presidents_envy_bad

Koolhand
As time progresses, American real GDP growth numbers are overstated, due to self-serving techniques which systematically (and increasingly) understate real inflation (see Kevin Phillips, Harper's, May 2008). If inflation were defined consistent with the basis used in the early 1970s, it would be measured at 10% in the US right now.

But, of course, this would put America into severe recession. Your government cares too much about you to allow that...

Oops,typo
...my 6:44 PM post should have read'sure;y people like you are not roaming the streets,freely.'

what ever
Yeh Mr. Prager your so right. George Bush has just done wonders for this country. I wish we could go back to the days with George and the Republican congress. We were so on track then.

Hillary wins West Virgina: Whoop-De-Doo!
So, I guess the networks are already calling West Virginia for Hillary, by about a 2-to-1 margin. I'm not going to watch the liberal media about it, because they'll have on all the Clinton lackeys for the rest of the evening trying to convince us that this was the greatest victory in the history of American politics. Today, West Virginia, tomorrow, the White House! Well, I wish Hillary a few more "victories" like this, because with each passing day, her campaign goes further into the red. That's the REAL measure of what Democrats think of her chances: fund-raising. Oh, I suppose a few might be suckered into giving some more money to Hillary's campaign because they're dumb enough to believe West Virginia actually still matters by this point in the campaign, but the people who are more knowledgeable about politics have since pulled the plug on her. I wonder why we're not hearing about all these Hollywood icons bringing in big bucks for her in recent days. Yeah, keep going, Hillary, fight for this nomination right down to Bill's last nickel!

Whoops
The subject line of my last post had an inadvertant spelling of West Virginia, so please, you West Virginians who wouldn't be caught dead voting for either Hillary or Obama, don't read into it anything other than a typo, as I wasn't trying to make fun of your state. Come to think of it, though, didn't the name of your state get spelled wrong - just like I misspelled it, in fact - in some of the merchandise initially released that commemmorated West Virginia's win in a recent college football bowl game?

JMO51 as "The Antagonist"
You have to be playing a part here to stimulate comments on a given thread on TH. No one can really buy some of the things you claim to buy into.

Give me a break
Prager writes:
"For if the Democratic Party -- given how far left it has become -- comes to control Congress and the presidency, America's values will soon stray so far from what they have been since its founding that it is difficult to imagine ever being able to undo the change."

If he had used the word Republican instead of Democrat, that sentence would have been just as true. The only choice the 2 parties are offering is the choice between the collapse of America in a generation, and the collapse America a year or 2 earlier or later.

That's no choice at all. If we want to remain the greatest nation in the world, we must return to being the freest nation in the world. We must do what Ronald Reagan wasn't able to do - dramatically cut the size and scope of government. We must stop punishing hard work, accomplishment, investment, and savings by abolishing the income tax in favor of the FairTax. And we must establish term limits to remove the professional politicians - the aristocrats that America was never supposed to have - and return America to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Vote libertarian.

Isn't it amazing
that most people don't know that congress is the problem when the country is going in the wrong direction. Congress spends our money and writes our laws. All the president does is either signs the bills or vetoes them.

I have been unhappy with both parties. The R's went wild on spending when they were in power. and the D's haven't been any better.

I just don't get what make people think BO would change things. His liberal agenda will cost us billions and billions. At least, J Mac has a history of fighting wasteful spending. And HRC spent $2.6 billion in earmark spending for NY, for fiscal year 2009.

Fear
MyOpine writes:
Reply # 162
Date: May 13, 2008 - 5:17 PM EST
HalD?
You use the word "fear" in place of concern or apprehension like some sissyfied wuss who has never known danger or had an opportunity to become familiar with fear.
Fear is not a bad thing. Fear sharpens your senses, speeds your reflexes and triggers a surge of adrenalin to supercharge your body like nitromethane injectors supercharge a racing engine.
Fear is a good thing but it is finite. When you use up all your fear there is nothing left but rage and rage dulls the senses.
Rage is also finite and when it is gone,,,,,,,,,,,,,!

Only criminals and cowards fear guns in the hands of honest men.
Which are YOU Hal?

The answer should be obvious MyOpine. When confronted by a Southern Pilot to step out side to settle a verbal confrontion, Hal ran crying to the Base Commander. Isn't that right Hal?

Fear
Oops typo Should be confrontation

Standshisground and WV
You're right about them not voting for either b. Hussein or Hillary.

What b. Hussein and his ilk are missing is that it's been just shy of 100 years since a democrat has won a general election without these folks. Hillary's husband got their vote twice, for instance.

So if these high-browed obamites want to ignore these good folks I say; You made a great move B.O., but don't plan on moving to the White House anytime soon.

Kimberly
Clinton knew and did nothing.

As of the last elections, Congress is not controlled by the GOP. And all the elected Democrats have not lived up to any of their promises. How does "Kimberly" feel about that.

Calling someone an "idiot" and a "fool" says more about "Kimberly" than it ever will about Prager.

BTW: What is your last name, Kimberly. If you are going to call people names, you could at least have the courage to submit your last name as well.

Steve Morris, Redondo Beach, CA