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Sunday, July 12, 2009
David R. Stokes :: Townhall.com Columnist
The County and the School of Hate
by David R. Stokes
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Last month, a Saudi Arabian man named Raed Abdul-Rahman Al-Saif, placed three bags on the Tampa, Florida airport security conveyor belt as he made his way toward his gate to board US Airways flight 1077 to Phoenix, Arizona and Portland, Oregon. He never made it to the gate.

A Transportation Security Administration representative saw something on his screen that made him curious. Upon further investigation, TSA officers found a knife “artfully concealed between the outside fabric and the expandable pull handles of the bag.” This bag, by the way, would have been easily accessed by Al-Saif had he made it on his flight.

It was a butcher knife.

It turns out that he has been living in the U.S. illegally for a while and had been previously arrested on drug-related charges and for driving without a license. He had been a student at the University of Tampa, but was dismissed this past May due to poor academic performance. Word is, though, that he was a much better student back in high school. In fairness, that likely had to do with where he went to school and what he was learning.

Raed Al-Saif is a 2003 graduate of the Islamic Saudi Academy (ISA), the same institution that gave us the likes of Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, who was the school’s valedictorian in 1999. If that name rings a bell, it’s because he’s the guy who was convicted in 2005 on charges that included “providing material resources to Al-Qaeda” and “conspiracy to assassinate President George W. Bush.”

Then there were Mohammed Osam Idris and Mohammed el Yacoubi, both former ISA students, who were denied entrance to Israel in 2001. It turns out that they had written farewell letters before the trip for some kind of “suicide mission in the name of jihad.” And, let’s not forget Mr. Abdall I Al-Shabran, the ISA director who was arrested last year for failing to report child abuse.

Islamic Saudi Academy operates under the direct authority of the Saudi embassy, one of 20 or so such institutions around the world. It is also funded by the Saudi government and uses Saudi government “curriculum, syllabus and materials.”

It is also virtually in my backyard – at least part of it. And they want to grow, that is, if the Fairfax County Government Planning Commission continues down its current path of blind accommodation and politically correct assuagement.

There is another meeting on the subject this Monday, July 13 at the county government center, and it should prove to be interesting. Last March, a handful of concerned citizens tried to speak over the disconcerting protests of about 600 ISA supporters. The few brave souls argued against a “special exemption” to zoning regulations that would allow “for the building of an expansion to the Islamic Saudi Academy in Fairfax.” By the way, the school now operates on property leased directly from the county.

As the pastor of a church in Fairfax County, and having for many of those years managed a private Christian school in the area, I can speak first-hand about how difficult it usually is to navigate the processes of county government here on behalf of a religious institution. But in the case of ISA, there appears to be an almost fawning and subservient approach on the part of many county leaders. Perhaps they are afraid of being politically incorrect. Perhaps they are just afraid.

Most likely, however - they are simply naïve.

Some of those arrayed against ISA are doing so simply out of concerns about traffic and other logistics on a particularly picturesque stretch of Popes Head Road. But most opponents are involved because they see ISA as a training institution for Wahhabism, an ultra-dogmatic and extreme form of Islam. They see ISA as “a hate training academy.” One detractor has said of the school: “We feel that it is in reality a madrassa, a training place for young impressionable Muslim students in some of the most extreme and most fanatical teachings of Islam.”

Of course, one of the great challenges when dealing with issues like this is to think and work through it in the context of religious liberty and tolerance. But what happens when our best intentions to preach freedom and tolerance wind up being used as a cover for something more sinister – even deadly?

The Nazis twisted a cross and developed a quasi-religious cult, but such a group would be hard pressed to lease property directly from any county in America. Hitler and his henchmen, by the way, came to power in Germany by using their constitution, then once in power they shelved it.

The Ku Klux Klan used a fiery cross as its symbol of hate and preached a sordid synthesis of misapplied Christianity and mysticism. But the religious element of it all was clearly a cover story. Are Islamists today using our Bill of Rights as a weapon against us en route toward the goal of a nation governed by Muslims, Islam and Muslim law?

The answer appears to be all too clear – at least for those who are really watching.

Islam may indeed be one of the world’s three great monotheistic religions, but Islamism is better compared to Nazism and the Klan in a religious sense, not to Judaism and Christianity in general. Are there fanatical people who hate in the name of Christianity and Judaism? Probably, but they would be statistically insignificant and considered criminally insane. Not so, when you compare Islam itself and Islamism.

Daniel Pipes is a widely read expert on the threat of radical Islam. He is a director of the Middle East Forum and calculates that, "10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide support militant Islam." Let’s do the math: Estimates of the global Muslim population range between 1.3 and 1.6 billion – roughly one in five human beings. This means, if Pipes is right (and it is possible his estimates may be on the conservative side) – that there may be between 130 and 240 million people in the world who, in the name of Islam, hate America. These are the people who had a party on that sad September day seven years ago.

By the way, the total combined population of an earlier axis of evil enemies - Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan in September of 1939 - was approximately 194 million. That’s total – as in every man, woman, and child.

How about the statistics right here in the U.S.? Well again, the estimates are all over the place, but it is generally accepted that between three and five million of our neighbors are Muslim. Applying the Pipes formula to here at home, we come up with the potential for anywhere between 300,000 and 1,200,000 people in this country who may be less-than-enamored of the rest of us. Or worse, some may be longing for the day when the fruited plain becomes a Muslim caliphate.

At what point, if ever, will some Americans awaken to the idea that a fair amount of what is passed off as Islam is, in fact, a cloak of unrighteousness – designed to use the guise of “religion” to gain cultural and ultimately political hegemony here?

Sure, not all Muslims are advocates of the kind of hate that would overthrow a government and superimpose Sharia-rule over the rest of us. But the evidence is growing that the number of Islamists in the Islamic fold is significant. And the battles are now being fought with the issues blurred.

What is needed now in America more than ever is an emergent group of leaders who are discerning – people who are wide awake to the threat from within.

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David R. Stokes is a minister, writer, and broadcaster. His weekly talks at Fair Oaks Church in Fairfax, Virginia and host of Loud on Purpose, heard Monday to Friday in Washington, D.C. on WAVA 105.1 fm.
 
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From Dr. Peter Hammond's book:
"Slavery, Terrorism and Islam":

“Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.”

“Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a facade for all other components.”

“Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'”

“When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).”

Read how it works here: http://inthenow.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/16/islam_-_how_it _works.thtml

And this posted from an Indian blogger:

“Muslims are the only immigrant minority who create trouble in the country to which they migrated and prospered economically. Today, they are threatening the British Government with danger to civilians unless the foreign policy is modulated to their dictates. The country which gave them shelter is being asked to make foreign policy not as the nation feels fit but as this immigrant minority dictates.”

“In all non-Muslim countries, there is respect for rule of law. Legitimate violence is the preserve of instruments of State and any other actor using violence is condemned as outlaw. In Muslim countries, the non-State actors using violence are glorified.”

Please read these sobering facts here: http://inthenow.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/06/islamophobia_- _an_indian_perspective.thtml

Denmark, the Netherlands, and UK are learning the lessons too late. I live in Italy and see the insidious growing trend right here, in the heart of Catholicism. The Italians are quietly talking among themselves, but few have publically voiced what they all know to be true.


Katz in TX
You can't be serious? Are you? With what is happening in Muslims countries by muslims on muslims!? You want to overthrow a government and superimpose Sharia-rule over the rest of world?

Having seen Sharia law first hand in the Middle East, I for one do not want it here are even there. It takes away all rights for women of all ages, and set mankind back 700 years. Women are treated as property they have no rights or freedoms, can not go out in public anywhere without a brother or husband with them or else they could be publicty punished, by wipping or stoning. It also bring in honor killings as the law of the land. If you do not know what this is the take a trip to Saudi or Iqran, maybe Turkey. All these places have honor killings as legal form adminised by a male in the family (usally the father or big brother). There was an honor killing right there in Texas earlier this year, or was it late last year...whatever, it has happen here in the US, TWICE!!!
And believing everything that Obama saids as truth, is like claiming him to be Jesus Christ in the fresh.

So please tell me it is not true that you believe what you wrote!

The U.S. first war
The first war the US ever fought overseas was with the Barbary pirates. When Thomas Jefferson confronted the ambassador from the Barbary states this is the reponse he received:
“it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman(Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Anyone who tells you that Islam is a religion of peace is either very ignorant or lying through his teeth.

Saudi
Its not nice to criticize the rag heads who give us most of our oil and help to fund our massive debt buying our treasuries (behind China and Japan). We should show them respect like President Osama did when he kow towed to the King of Saudi and looked to kiss the ring of his brother rag head. Just because most of the 9/11 highjackers were Saudi rag heads is no need to come down on them.

Still waiting for Osama to make the Haj.

A more basic question
Set aside for the moment separation of church -- uh, mosque -- and state and the inflammatory curriculum at the ISA. Why does the United States, the state of Virginia, or Fairfax County allow any foreign government to operate schools within its territory? Are its faculty and staff, at minimum, registered as foreign agents? This dereliction of duty is to be expected from somnambulists and idiots, but it is nonetheless intolerable.

Katz in Texas
Cant be real and cant believe what she/he is saying. If he does, he is stupider than he sounds. Regardless. Islam is no religion of peace. Plus, it does not allow any public discourse in opposition to the dictates of Islam. If you speak out against Islam or even say something that a muslim believes is against Islam than you have to be stopped. You are most likely targeted for death. Really peaceful response.

The imposition of Sharia law is where we are heading in this country. And its being helped along by political correctness and the liberals. Witness the new hate crimes bill that is presently being pushed very quietly through congress. Anyone speaking out against Islam and the imposition of Sharia law can be prosecuted per this new hate crimes legislation. Yep, you will no longer have any freedom of speech in this country. This new bill even covers internet postings.

We are rapidly losing our freedoms here in the US. The constitution is being trashed, has been trashed. The government is taking over our production, our health care, our financial systems. People better wake up or we are heading into a dictatorship. Say it cant happen? Its already happening. Look at the number of Czars that Obama has created. They have the power and they report to one person...Obama. Neither the Senate nor the Congress has any oversight over them. Checks and balances are trashed.

People better wake up and wake up fast.

Things going from bad to worse.

Sarcasm doesn't transmit well
Sarcasm doesn't transmit well on the internet. From reading Katz's comments I believe it was sarcasm and meant to represent an obamabot.

Katz in TX . . .
is using sarcasm to make a point.

Unfortunately, there are many people who are ignorant about how far we have come down the path to Sharia law, due to POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

There are charter schools in the USA (funded with taxpayer dollars) that teach Islamic lessons and prayers.

Even worse, there are PUBLIC SCHOOLS (again funded by taxpayer dollars) that will not allow possession of teaching of a Bible, or Christian prayers, but that are teaching and praying from the Quran/Koran. And this is in the good ole' politically correct USA.

http://www.thekingslandplan.com/islamic-prayers-in-californ ia-public-schools/

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a single PENNY of my taxes to pay for abortions OR teaching the Koran!

Wake up American Christians! Let's STOP this stupid political correctness that is destroying our great country from within!

in the near future...
and in your column, please let us know about what happened in that July 13th meeting...very interesting and informative article!!

GEEZ,Musicman...
...Don't they have any satire in Oklahoma?If you couldn't recognize Katz post,wait until you see Liberal Democrats' posts!THAT'S good satire!

Hate speech or free speech?
According to legislation currently being considered by OUR Congress, much of the article and many of the comments could constitute a federal crime. We have ALREADY seen how 'government' colluding with activists have skewed or skewered the meaning of MOST of the intent of the Bill of Rights -- essentitlly telling those who believe that RIGHTS are unalienable, that 'government' alone determines what rights, poperrty, liberty or even life ALL of us should have.

The protections from government contained in the Constitution and Bill of Rights are being taken from us by This Administration and ultra-liberal Congress at such record breaking speen thet most folks have no idea just what sort of 'change' is taking place -- and few of them really care as long as 'government' gives them their 'benefits', which are taking on the aspects of 'Soma'.

KATZ, you got it
We are not nice enough to the Muslims of any place.

We only saved and liberated 22,000,000 in Kuwait in 1991 from subjugation by Iraq and later liberated 25,000,000 in Iraq from the treat of seeing babies thrown off roofs and 24,000,000 in Afghanistan from having women flayed who ventured outside their homes in 2003.

We should all forget that we went to Serbia and Bosnia in 1997 to fight Christians who were oppressing Muslims and still maintain three bases in Kosovo where 6 soldiers died last year.

It was terrible of us to use the entire Pacific fleet in 2005 to deliver all that aid and relief to Indonesia after the 2005 tsunami.

Moreover, giving half our foreign aid to Muslims countries is not half enough. The $800,000,000 we’re giving Hamas will hardly make up for the missiles they need to buy in order to lob them illegally at Israel and cause constant disruption and destabilization in the Middle East.

Of course, VA should do all possible to make jihad hatred and murder thrive among the Muslim community. Isn't it the height of multiculturalism?

Meanwhile, Bork Sotomayor.

Go to your Cong. reps' and Sens.' local offices on the 17th for a tea party to protest Obamacare.

What is with VA?????
"...But most opponents are involved because they see ISA as a training institution for Wahhabism, an ultra-dogmatic and extreme form of Islam. They see ISA as “a hate training academy.” One detractor has said of the school: “We feel that it is in reality a madrassa, a training place for young impressionable Muslim students in some of the most extreme and most fanatical teachings of Islam.”...At what point, if ever, will some Americans awaken to the idea that a fair amount of what is passed off as Islam is, in fact, a cloak of unrighteousness – designed to use the guise of “religion” to gain cultural and ultimately political hegemony here?..."

Isn't VA home to Falwell's and Robertson's "colleges" and "schools"? Why is Virginia home to so many extreme religious institutions? Wasn't it 'Liberty' grads who so damaged the Justice Department under the failed Bush Regime?

These useful idiots
in Fairfax County are throwing the rest of the people to the wolves, hoping that they, the "nice" people, will be eaten last.

Why doesn't the ISA fall under the scrutiny of our CongressCreeps new push against hate speech and even hate crimes.

Where are Tammy Bruce's Thought Police when you need them?

more on first US war
The European nations paid tribute into the early 1800s to the North African predators (all muslims actively preying on Christians) The tribute didn't buy the the European maritime powers real protection. The price of the ransoms went up and up. Enter the USA...

Jefferson said something akin to: "millions for defense and not a penny for tribute." He built the first US Navy frigates and defeated the North African forces.

Come to Boston. Visit the USS Constitution and related museum. Read and see it first hand.

A tip of the hat to "Christian."

"Katz"... in Massachusetts you can hear people say the same stuff and believe it. Here we live in a place where history is so conspicuous every day ...

There are no so blind as those who do not see....

airport
Excellent article,, looking to read more from you. Kruscheve (sp) said they would never defeat us from the outside...but from within...meaning using our Constitution against ourselves. That is what the Muslims are doing now.

True
Political correctness is going to be the downfall of the United States, and Hal will finally be happy.

Wiliam
Why are you forgetting christian extremists? That appears to be their agenda too

KATZ TX

.....Nice spoof ...

.....I notice that our AFRICAN President did not visit KENYA on his recent visit to his homeland ...I wonder why? ...was he afraid of relatives living in huts that might embarrass him with details of his birth? ...best to keep those cockaroaches in the dark lest they upset his plans to be dictator of the BANANA REPUBLIC OF AMERICA ...

...Hey Mr. Tally man tally me banana ...

...Daylight come an me wan go home ...

.....COLOSSUS


And in Chicago's O'Hare Airport
Are private rooms and foot baths dedicated specifically to Muslims so they can do their noon foot washing rituals and have prayer. Now, there aren't any rooms set aside for Christians, of course--that's not politically correct. WE paid for this in higher airline rates.

Leslie
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 9:03 AM EST
True
Political correctness is going to be the downfall of the United States, and Hal will finally be happy..."

I am not politically correct. Religious extremism is the problem which religion hardly matters. They want to dictate and steal our freedom. Your America is so last century. America is changing and growing; its best years are ahead too bad most of you cannot accept change and progress.

Islam
Is not a religion. If you study its origin, it was created as a political movement and the religion facade was simply a way to get many people to participate.
Try this website:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Islamic radicalism today
Many Americans think that Islamic radicalism today is similar to the Christian radicalism of 19th century and going even furher back, to the rule of Popes. Past ignorance that prevailed then (did not mean all other religions and sects were clean) is no reason to accept radicalism of Islam today, as some sort of atonement to Christianity's past. That argument and its acceptance is precisely the reason for perpetual religiously perpetrated violence.
Talking about religious violence, one can not ignore the massacres of the 20th century perpetrated by the Marxist religion in Russia and China. In America, we now have Obama cult which can easily descend into that type of tyranny without any influence of traditional religious animosities. First step in that process is to demonize and in a way dehumanize those that oppose the ruler. It has already started here. Ask Palin, Joe the Plumber, etc. etc.

jorgaone
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 9:11 AM EST
And in Chicago's O'Hare Airport
Are private rooms and foot baths dedicated specifically to Muslims so they can do their noon foot washing rituals and have prayer. Now, there aren't any rooms set aside for Christians, of course--that's not politically correct. WE paid for this in higher airline rates."

Every airport I have ever used in this country has had at least one chapel, meditation room etc. Usually paid for by the taxpayers whose money built the airport. I would be extremely surprised if you didn't pay for at least one in your state of SC.

Hal Donhue, you are a moron
Tally up the numbers, you J@ckass.
Christian v Muslim

I'm with moral equivalency Halitosis
Let's just give up because 100s of years ago before my ancestors were even converted, there were religious wars and it was all the Christians' fault.

We should all feel ashamed and immediately get our prayer rugs and start praying five times to the East.

Christians cannot even wear crosses in some public schools but it's ok that schools install footbaths and give time out for unrolling prayer rugs.

The US should just forget its brilliant past and hopeful future (there is no hope with the gang of Chi-town thugs in DC now anyway) and let Muslims tell us when we can post on TH or women can leave their homes without male escorts.

We should all agree with the Dims in PA and ban "Jesus" from payers as the word *Jesus* is so offensive.

America is so over. So yesterday. Let's just all say, *I give up* and let the jihadists rule.

Before then, I'm going to a tea party in front of my Cong. representative office on the 17th to protest Obamacare.
Bork Sotomayor.

Craig C
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 9:28 AM EST
Islam
Is not a religion. If you study its origin, it was created as a political movement and the religion facade was simply a way to get many people to participate..."

This is a lie. Islam is an old testament based religion just as Judaism, Christianity and Mormonism. You can only say this about Islam if you do the others religions also

Art
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 9:33 AM EST
Islamic radicalism today
Many Americans think that Islamic radicalism today is similar to the Christian radicalism of 19th century and going even furher back, to the rule of Popes..."

It is what was Christianity doing in the 14th century? This is Islam's 14th

"...Talking about religious violence, one can not ignore the massacres of the 20th century perpetrated by the Marxist religion in Russia and China..."

Calling it a religion does not make it so but nice try

"... First step in that process is to demonize and in a way dehumanize those that oppose the ruler. It has already started here. Ask Palin, Joe the Plumber, etc. etc.."

LMAO I love how you play the victim card LOL. John Kerry? Hillary and Bill? Obama? All are targeted by lies and absurdities. Joe was not a plumber and Palin is ignorant and far from ready for prime time.

Hal Donahue is an idiot
Every airport you have been in? Come ON! Your argument, even if it were true, does not rebut the fact that Islam is a problem for US citizens, and an enemy of freedom everywhere. And the illustrations offered showing this encroachment are pieces of the big picture.

Your pathetic apologist blather shows you to be part of the problem. Either you are a Muslim or a Dhimi, but not a real man. Not a US Citizen, but a citizen of the world. An enemy by virtue of your own stupidity or an open collaborator with confidence in the success of your handlers that leads you to believe you will be spared when the final stroke is made by the Muslim hoards...

It is not just Muslims who hate America
Judging from the posts by our liberal antagonists and professional agitators, the number of liberals who hate America exceeds that of radical Islamists.

They differ in their hate though; Islamists are dedicated to the destruction and overthrow of America through devout religious fanaticism. Liberals are just fanatics, coagulated in a non-homogeneous pool of foolish ignorance and stupidity.

Hal Donohue
You can close your eyes and cover your ears but the truth is the truth. Your quick response to my comment indicates you have not gone to the website I posted, unless you are the world's fastest speed reader.
Get a grip man it is history and what I said is 100% correct, regardless of your ridiculous Liberal "feel good" mentality.
Mohammad used the Old Testament to justify his writings, but his intent was, and the intent today of Islam is, to control a lot of peoples mindes as a means to the end of total political domination of the region he was in, and now the entire planet.

And we just elected
a guy who changed his Western name for an Islamic one.

Rev. Stokes, read Jeremiah lately?

Afraid v Naive
David Stokes says: "But in the case of ISA, there appears to be an almost fawning and subservient approach on the part of many county leaders. Perhaps they are afraid of being politically incorrect. Perhaps they are just afraid.

Most likely, however - they are simply naïve. "

I would guess that it is fear. They are not so ignarant that they are unaware of the Muslim tactic of lawsuit warefare. It is cheaper in the short run to go with the flow rather than to face very expensive litigation.

It is fear.

But, in the words of Obama... we ain't seen nuthin' yet.





Halitosis, the commies
outlawed religion and used the *cult of personality* as a substitute, so it is you who lie.

Lenin deliberately called *religion the opiate of the masses* and then plastered his gigantic posters all over the USSR. It was no coincidence that when the *wall* fell in Eastern Europe and commie Russia, people pulled down and trashed the colossal statues of Lenin and Stalin.

Between the USSR and China, upwards of 100,000,000 were killed in the name of the new a-religious utopias the dictators were *creating.*

And it was traditional religions that brought down the communists in Poland, Hungary, Romania, and leadership from the Roman Catholic Church, Russian Orthodox Church, and Judaism that never stopped believing. The leadership of the Pope and Ronald Reagan helped destroy murderous systems that could not sustain the ec. fiction of their success in the end.

People vote with their feet. In the end, people simply walked across the wall in Berlin.

In the US, people are moving out of NY state, and NJ, CA, MA, and high tax states and their medical boondoggles and failing schools.

As people now report they are conservative 2-1 in the last Gallup poll, the results will be seen in 2010 when the O *stimulus* is shown to be the failure and ruse that it always was.

GM is likely to be dead in 6 mons., but the US taxpayer will carry the debt for generations.

Radical Islam
Radical Islamists are numerous and dangerous enough, but the blindness and ignorance of many United Staters about the danger posed by a worldwide movement backed by Petrodollars and an Islamic religious revival is even worse. No one in a position of power (Obama and the Democrats in Congress) and, worst of all, the so-called Mainstream Media seems to take the threat of radical Islam seriously. The left seems to fear to fear the Christians more than the Musllims, especially the evangelicals and Pentecostals. Occasionally some violence is carried out by some one on the fringe of those groups, but how wmany acts of violence have been carried out in the name of Islam?
Donald W. Bales

A butcher knife?
If that yahoo thought he was going to hijack the flight with a knife, he is dumber than a box of rocks. The rules changed on 9/11.

In the earlier days of hijackings the rule was for crew and passengers to sit quietly and obey orders from the hijackers. The assumption was that the hijackers would take them somewhere to make a political point and they would be released. Now? Everybody will assume that the aircraft will be used as a bomb. Any hijacker who tries to use an edged weapon on an airliner will be beaten to death in moments.

Rev. Stokes is dead on!
Anyone who wants to understand the threat from within should get the book "Because They Hate" by Briggitte Gabriel.Her second book on the subject "They Must Be Stopped" is equally enlightening.

It is so true that Radical Islam does exploit the U.S. legal system,and U.S. protection of religion,to spread its hatred of all things Western.

Radical Islamists rely on political correctness to make their cultural JIHAD a success.

All Americans should know that Radical Islamists have utter contempt for all INFIDELS(non muslims)and want them dead!

When Briggitte Gabriel spoke before members of congress she gave copiies of her book "Because They Hate" to every member of the House and Senate. Well....,they do not read the bills they pass. What are the chances that they read the book?

It is frightening to know that, some of the most politically correct and clueless about the dangers of Radical Islam are our elected officials in D.C..

Islam? Religion? A real kneesalpper!!!!!
The reason Islam and Muslims do not have a 'hard time' with local, city, state and federal government in the United States, or any other civilized, first world country, is because Islam is not recognized as a religion. If Islam was recognized as a religion then the very same separations that apply to the organized religions would apply to Islam. Take that, MULLAH!

Islam is recognized as a cult only. Although there is a fair amount of 'yada-yada-yada' lip service about Islam the religion; a sop to an intellectual community that insists the world respond to nonsense.

Every member of Islam is a cultist. Muslims will not be satisfied with equality. For the 'average' Muslim, equality means theocracy whre men rule and women die (afterall, the supply of virgins must be constant or growing)....a Muslim man rules his world....especially the women in his world. Muslims want to be dead. That is their salvation.

I say more power to the Muslims. Let's help them be dead. Then they can be in heaven like that buncha freaks that committed suicied in Cally-For-Nee-Uh several years ago; what were they called....Order Of The Solar Temple, or some such 'new age' nonsense? Or the Jim Jones knuckleheads in Guyana.

Let us Americans begin a concerted effort to help Muslims reach the 'Double Diamdond' distributor level of Islam. DEATH to Islam...atfterall, we are a compassionate people.

MUST SEE!
THIS POWERFUL 10-MINUTE VIDEO SHOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE U.S. WITH MUSLIMS SINCE OBAMA. IT IS SHOCKING
YouTube - Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the US (Keyword to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&eurl)

hal donahue
Since you hate everyone that is not a liberal and think you are so superior to everyone who is not a liberal it is quite easy to see why you would side with radical islam. You probably even love beating women. I live in Pennsylvania. It is my state. Not yours leave it and go to Saudi Arabia where you belong.

radical islam
Is todays KKK,sometime in the future the people will wake up.I hope

Oneal Dozier
Good luck! Google Rev. Dozier and find out how he was treated.

Hal
"This is a lie. Islam is an old testament based religion just as Judaism, Christianity and Mormonism. You can only say this about Islam if you do the others religions also."

This is stupid. Read the Koran and see how inaccurately it presents the OT characters.

There are worse things you can do...
...to an enemy of your country, especially one who was born here, than kill him or throw him in jail.

You can strip him of his citizenship, give him the boot out of the country, and tell him to never come back.

That reminds me... Hal and KATZ, have you ever wondered how many people here would SO love to escort you to the boat and hand you your one-way ticket personally? It would be no less than what you deserve. And how long do you think you'll last out there in that cold, cruel world WITHOUT the United States to protect you?

You choose to side with the wolves... let's see how you like it if you were THROWN to the wolves!

Mr Difar
Hal Donahue ....Every airport you have been in? Come ON! Your argument, even if it were true, does not rebut the fact that Islam is a problem for US citizens, and an enemy of freedom everywhere. And the illustrations offered showing this encroachment are pieces of the big picture."

My statement was true and it does rebut your claim that Islam is a problem. I will say it again. The problem is NOT Islam. The problem is religious extremism.

"...Your pathetic apologist blather shows you to be part of the problem. Either you are a Muslim or a Dhimi, but not a real man. Not a US Citizen, but a citizen of the world.."

Ahh the real man card LMAO. My experience is that accusing a person of not being a real man demonstrates that the accuser it the one with questionable manhood or confusion but since I don't know you I can hardly say this is the case. I am not a Muslim and I am a US citizen.

"...An enemy by virtue of your own stupidity or an open collaborator with confidence in the success of your handlers that leads you to believe you will be spared when the final stroke is made by the Muslim hoards."

Why you frightened and timid little man LOL. Do you really have so little confidence in the American people that you think that they will be defeated by Islam? How sad.

enemies among us
Clearly we are not only tolerating the insidious invasion of militant Muslims among us, we are granting them privileged PC status, rendering them immune from the slightest criticism lest they use our own legal system to sue us!
What fools these people must believe us to be. Their home countries would behead them in a heartbeat for doing to them what they're doing to us but we sit here fat, dumb and happy while they plot our demise right down the street.

r729
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 10:38 AM EST
hal donahue
Since you hate everyone that is not a liberal and think you are so superior to everyone who is not a liberal it is quite easy to see why you would side with radical islam..."

Oh no, no little person I do not side with ANY radical religious movement. I do not "feel superior" to most people at all but neither will I sit quietly by while nonsense is spouted.

"...You probably even love beating women. I live in Pennsylvania. It is my state. Not yours leave it and go to Saudi Arabia where you belong."

I actively work with a woman's shelter so wrong again with your childish accusation. PA is my state also and I would not do well in a religious extremist state like Saudi but I suspect you knew that and wished me ill. Peace be with you.

The Crusades Redux
Christianity is a knock-off of Judaism and Islam is a knock-off of Christianity. Islam means submission, not obedience. If Islam fanatics want a re-run of the Crusades--bring it on!

I really do not believe that Wahhabi Islam can be converted to a peaceful religion. Like Ann Coulter said when her friend died in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon: "Kill all the leaders and convert the rest to Christianity."

Instead, we're fighting a PC war in which OUR casualities pile up day by day. The Russians and Chinese know how to deal with these fanatics--kill them everywhere they stand. Forget about Gitmo, trials and U.S. protections of their legal rights. These people want to die and we should oblige them.

Rich D.
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 10:53 AM EST
Hal
"This is a lie. Islam is an old testament based religion just as Judaism, Christianity and Mormonism. You can only say this about Islam if you do the others religions also."

This is stupid. Read the Koran and see how inaccurately it presents the OT characters..."

I believe they and the Mormons would say is updates the OT characters. Would the Jews say the same about Christianity I wonder? Is it "nice" to use other peoples sacred texts?

alfred
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 11:11 AM EST
enemies among us
Clearly we are not only tolerating the insidious invasion of militant Muslims among us, we are granting them privileged PC status, rendering them immune from the slightest criticism lest they use our own legal system to sue us!
What fools these people must believe us to be. Their home countries would behead them in a heartbeat for doing to them what they're doing to us but we sit here fat, dumb and happy while they plot our demise right down the street."

Are you calling the Constitution unworkable? Are you anti-Constitution?

HAL DUFUS IS A MORON!
As a former flight attendant, I can assure you that not every airport has a chapel, prayer or meditation room or whatever! I've been from coast to coast hundreds of times and have never seen one! What few there are exist because of the Islamists.
Religious extremism is a problem just like murder is a problem, but not every religious person is a problem any more than every person is a murderer! Get the picture? Get your head on straight. Maybe when you LYAO the other part goes off too!
You obviously are not a lover of God, which of course is your right. But His word says, "Be thou hot or cold or I will spew thee out of my mouth." So...looks like you've got a rude awakening, Mr. Hal Dufus.Whether you believe in him or not doesn't matter. The evidence of his existence is EVERYWHERE!

Jerseyvet
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 11:21 AM EST
The Crusades Redux
Christianity is a knock-off of Judaism and Islam is a knock-off of Christianity. Islam means submission, not obedience. If Islam fanatics want a re-run of the Crusades--bring it on!..."

Oh dear maybe you don't study history? They won the crusades. No re-runs for me...

"...Like Ann Coulter said when her friend died in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon: "Kill all the leaders and convert the rest to Christianity.".."

First I am surprised silver spoon Ann had a friend. Second, why, if she meant what she said, did she support the failed Bush regime letting Osama and Al Q go free?

"...These people want to die and we should oblige them."

Do you think having 'vet' in your name gives you a special right to utter nonsense like this? LMAO

"Wild Bill"
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 10:54 AM EST
There are worse things you can do...
...to an enemy of your country, especially one who was born here, than kill him or throw him in jail.

You can strip him of his citizenship, give him the boot out of the country, and tell him to never come back...."

Why ever would we do that to you? Much better to try and educate and convince you of your errors. In any case most folks believing as you do are old, white and rural. Your world is disappearing. We can be tolerant and wait.

"...That reminds me... Hal and KATZ, have you ever wondered how many people here would SO love to escort you to the boat and hand you your one-way ticket personally? It would be no less than what you deserve. And how long do you think you'll last out there in that cold, cruel world WITHOUT the United States to protect you?"

a lot longer than a disenfranchised conservative. We don't depend on our government but support it willingly. You red state welfare types generally would not last long at all

"...You choose to side with the wolves... let's see how you like it if you were THROWN to the wolves!"

LMAO if there is any throwing to be done you won't be doing it LOL

Also
you can watch Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America by Briggitte Gabriel at the Heritage Foungation here: http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev092706a.cfm

Click on "view event"

katz
she was using 'tongue-in-cheek' humor. she doesn't believe islam is a religion of live either-i go so far as to say it is a pagan religion-the muslims are being decieved by islam

Naive Dimwits
Too many Americans fail to recognize that we are in a cultural/religious/political war right here at home. The universities are full of Muslim students who hate us. No one is supposed to point that out, and we are all supposed to believe what George Bush told us: Islam is a religion of peace.

Here's an infuriating anecdote: On 9/11, as people were jumping to their deaths from the World Trade Center, the Muslim students at our flagship university stood and cheered! The worst part of the situation is that when the University President learned about it, she issued a proclamation that in the aftermath of 9/11, there should be no intolerance shown toward the Muslim students on campus. Any right thinking American would have loved to see those monsters expelled, but instead, the students who reported the outrage were chastized.

Muslims continue to pour into the US in ever greater numbers. What is going on? Universities have refused to comply with the feds by informing them when foreign students have dropped out or failed to attend classes once registered. After 9/11, under Bush, the feds were trying to keep track of foreign students and hold them to their visa requirements. The libs obstructed the effort. We know that people overstay their visas. Some of these people are here to do us harm.

It's not just students. Whole towns have been taken over by Muslim Somalis, as just one recent example. Small town in rural America have changed overnight. Who is setting our immigration policies? This kind of diversity is not an asset to our nation. Our laws are based on Judeo/Christian values, which these people do not accept or respect.

Faith and Freedom
Provides an in depth critique of the religion of peace. It is hilarious the way the Muslim apologists dance around valid claims made on this site. Are the authors wackos, not really. If you carefully examine the articles, most are produced by intelligent, well-educate individuals.

Hal
The God of Islam has no relationship to the God of the Bible. In fact, the God of Islam is at war with the Bible as the Koran calls anyone believing in the blessed Trinity a liar. The very origin of the Koran was to refute the authority of the Bible and reject the holy God of Israel. The Koran and Islam, at its very foundation, is hatred of Christianity, and therefore has no place in America . The Koran, as given by Muhammad, is hate speech and should be exposed as such.

Hal Donahue
Please peruse Faith and Freedom for insight:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Deist, Feminist Goy.

Hal Donahue
I have read books on Islam and Muhammad was a murderer and rapist who founded Islam in 700AD. He had not heard of Jesus nor knew any Christians and his whole purpose was to terrorize and force people to conform to his beliefs. There is a religious war out there and Islam wants to rule the whole planet. I, for one will never conform to their ways. I don't believe anyone can trust those people one bit.

There are actual demons,ghosts, angels and a supernatural God out there. There are supernatural forces out that most people don't have their eyes open to even see. I am not a religious person and believe in these things.

And as for the "hope and change" that Obama pushes is a joke. I personally believe he is a deciple of the anti-christ.

The hour of temptation
The bible prophesied of Satan posing as almighty God and fooling the masses.. How could he do this except by claiming he is the GOD of ABRAHAM..The fruits of Islam prove Allah is not the real god but a wanna be...
The bible prophesied of this hour of temptation in Rev 3-9,10...This temptation of the world can be likened to the temptation of Jesus which was example for us to follow..
The devil said to Jesus, "FALL DOWN and worship me as the God (of Abraham) and I will give you the kingdoms of the world". (in Jihad)..
The devil also questioned twice whether Jesus is SON OF GOD.. So do Muslims..
Islam is built on Bible verses taken out of context... Jesus said we must live by every word of God..
So please do not cast yourself down from the highest spiritual position as SONS of God..
That would indeed be tempting God himself to expect His angels to care for you when you are bowing to Satan and calling him the God of Abraham..
I wonder if our Muslim resident in the white house will make Raed into a hero as usual...

Hey Hal--Do you EVER--
Side with the Real Americans?? I mean those that aren't from some weird Hate America quasi-religious, Alternative Life-style or outright Marxists/Commies?? BTW, If you're Here, Look Up a Real Army Air Corp/Air Force HERO--, go to MAcDill, AFB records, and research Capt. Theodore Kochimanis -Navigator/Bombadier. Killed during the Berlin Airlift, Azores '48. [B-29 #3 engine failure/explosion.] Check his wartime missions, over Europe. He wasn't a "Desk Jockey". Then, you can tell us all about Magic[Majestic?] 12, and Roswell---. Hey, is your "Disc Craft" Miethe, or Schriever powered?? If you were working' for the Joint Chiefs, you probably HAVE this info--?? I'm only asking, cuz --I'm sure that on This Subject, you're a hell of a lot more Knowledgeable, and Interesting, than on the Political Democrat Talking' Points!!

Wow! Hal managed 2 write....
...a whole paragraph without exclaiming LMAO, ROTFLMA, etc. however his thought process appears to be no less informed, bi-partisan or coherent. Isn't that SURPRISING?

**Isn't VA home to Falwell's and Robertson's "colleges" and "schools"? Why is Virginia home to so many extreme religious institutions? Wasn't it 'Liberty' grads who so damaged the Justice Department under the failed Bush Regime?**

You'd never hear me praising, siding with or otherwise agreeing with the curriculum or emphasis or the teachings of fundy U's, their founders or promoters, however, I consider myself rational enough to be able to distinguish between fundamentalism American style, and its muslim counterpart. Despite the tired and worn out non-contextual OT paraphrasing anti-Judeo/Christian haters trot out every time they want to make one of their one-sided points, the parallels they attempt to make can only make sense to those who desire to make others believe they can see light with eyes wide-closed.

Hal with his inane frothings shows at every turn that he has more time than brains. He should try at some point to show some evidence for his claims. Have any of these colleges or preachers advocated, suggested or commanded their follower to convert others by violence, to chop the head of non-believers or to establish a kingdom where Neanderthals rule?

All he does every time he misuses his computer's keyboard is to show how stupidity and simple contratianism rule supreme among the lib-tard crowd. And they attempt to portray conservs as 'uneducated' and close minded?

Islam is America's enemy
A Virus multiplies infinitely. This process is gradual initially, since the virus imitates the behavior of its host, in order to hide any indication of infection. There comes a moment in time when the virus has multiplied so much that it overwhelms the organism that gave it shelter and destroys it in its entirety. The gentle, willing and innocent host, which was in denial is now a limp mass of dead flesh.

The world is the host. And Islam is the virus.
How many times must people be slaughtered before we realize that a religion that considers killing, murder, forceful imposition of Sharia Law and torture is nothing but evil.
We must stand up with an equal and fitting reaction. A dog must be treated as a dog, not a human. A virus must be treated as a disease. Islam is the cancer of this body we call Earth.
CONT

norma
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 11:51 AM EST
katz
she was using 'tongue-in-cheek' humor. she doesn't believe islam is a religion of live either-i go so far as to say it is a pagan religion-the muslims are being decieved by islam.."

You mean no more so than christians by Christianity?

My Grandfather...
...left Lebanon in the 1950s to escape from these lunatics. If he'd wanted to live in the Middle East, he never would have moved to the US to begin with.

Also: he never went back.

pegwitch2
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 12:52 PM EST
Hal Donahue
I have read books on Islam and Muhammad was a murderer and rapist who founded Islam in 700AD. He had not heard of Jesus nor knew any Christians and his whole purpose was to terrorize and force people to conform to his beliefs..."

Really??? Did you ever figure out who he meant by people of the book and why they were not to be killed or forcibly converted? By all accounts Mohammad was a spiritual and good leader.

"... There is a religious war out there and Islam wants to rule the whole planet. I, for one will never conform to their ways. I don't believe anyone can trust those people one bit."

But so does christianity. Their is no religious war unless you make one

"...There are actual demons,ghosts, angels and a supernatural God out there. There are supernatural forces out that most people don't have their eyes open to even see. I am not a religious person and believe in these things."

there, there of course you do

"...And as for the "hope and change" that Obama pushes is a joke. I personally believe he is a deciple of the anti-christ."

LMAO there there of course you do LOL

Islam is America's enemy II
I hope that our children and grandchildren shall never have to live in a society where - a woman who is raped, has to prove that she was indeed raped and not guilty of adultery - by providing evidence from three male relatives who should have been present at the scene. Yes, that is the Sharia Law, outlined in the so-called book of 'wisdom' called 'Quran', and endorsed and enforced by the so-called peaceful religion of Islam.
If Muslims want rights, why can't they all migrate to their 'heavens on Earth' like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and leave the rest of us in peace?
How can evil understand good? How can a criminal understand virtue? How can Muslims understand Democracy?
For those who think Islam is a religion of peace - please remember: every conflict in the world today involves Islam. Islam is like AIDS - It stops when a person is dead.
To my brothers and sisters in the USA, and every other peace loving nation that has suffered Islamic terrorism, it is time we stood up and became ONE against this evil.

Islam in Politcally Correct America
Sharia Law in the United States. This first video was shot last month in Dearborn, Michigan at an Arab festival.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&eurl=http%3A%2F% 2Fatlasshrugs2000.typepad.com%2Fatlas_shrugs%2F&feature=pla yer_embedded


This second one is a former Muslim woman explaining what Islam is not.

http://perfectlyhuman.multiply.com/video/item/8/What_Islam_ is_Not.
These really are a must see for Americans.

Roy
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 12:52 PM EST
Hey Hal--Do you EVER--
Side with the Real Americans?? I mean those that aren't from some weird Hate America quasi-religious, Alternative Life-style or outright Marxists/Commies?? ..."

I am a "real American". Want to see real Americans and what they look like? Take a look at our dead from Iraq and Afghanistan. There is the face of America. You don't get it do you? You are the old disappearing Americans.

"... Check his wartime missions, over Europe. He wasn't a "Desk Jockey". ... I'm only asking, cuz --I'm sure that on This Subject, you're a hell of a lot more Knowledgeable, and Interesting, than on the Political Democrat Talking' Points!!"

YAWN

Their Agenda is Jihad - Period
Those who wish to practice "Political Correctness" with regard to Islamic Schools in the US need to view the video "Islam - What the West Needs to Know." This program is available on YouTube posted in several installments by various folks. It is also available form NetFlix by DVD or on-demand (Watch Instantly).

Anyone watching this video will think twice before they again chant the propaganda mantra: Islam is a "Peaceful and Loving Religion"

The sword is an appropriate symbol of Islam as the Prophet Mohammed instructed his followers to lop off the heads of all infidels who refused to convert or revert to subservient status. The Koran tells the story of Mohammed himself lopping off the heads of 800 Jews in Medina.

Notable quotes from the Koran: “Fight in Allah’s cause…..and rouse the Believers” Surah 4:84. If they (apostates) turn renegades seize them and slay them wherever you find them.” Surah 4:89. “Therefore, when you meet unbelievers (in fight) smite at their necks; At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond (firmly on them) Surah 47:4.

When Muslims babble on the CBC with little or no cross examination from the host, and tell you “Islam is a religion of peace,” they are correct only in the sense that there is to be peace between Muslim brothers.

No such concept of peace exists in Muslim relations towards those who don’t believe the claims of their prophet. “Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Surah 48:29.

Ms Tee
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 12:57 PM EST
Wow! Hal managed 2 write....You'd never hear me praising, siding with or otherwise agreeing with the curriculum or emphasis or the teachings of fundy U's, their founders or promoters, however, I consider myself rational enough to be able to distinguish between fundamentalism American style, and its muslim counterpart. ..."

The only thing missing is ability. Rudolph and McVeigh and whoever killed Dr Tiller are cut from the exact same cloth

"...Hal with his inane frothings shows at every turn that he has more time than brains. He should try at some point to show some evidence for his claims. Have any of these colleges or preachers advocated, suggested or commanded their follower ...to establish a kingdom where Neanderthals rule?..."

Sure that is the whole religious right movement mix governance and religion

".... And they attempt to portray conservs as 'uneducated' and close minded?"

Did I say that? Those are your words. I know that the religious right is only a subset in today's conservatism

Hal, Hal, Hal...
Do you really believe that white suburban types are going to disappear?

Secondly, you had better hope the white race does not become a minority in America, Hal. I say this because it is effeminate, liberal, white males and white, atheist, feminist lesbians that drive liberalism and these are virtually the only people who vote for liberal social causes like gay marriage and promote the lost cause of atheism in America. Blacks and hispanics may have voted for Barack Obama but they did NOT vote the way liberal whites wanted them to vote when it comes to promoting perversion and godlessness.

As the black and hispanic numbers rise, so do the numbers of Christians in America! Hispanics are the largest growing minority block in America and while they may vote a democrat into the Whitehouse, they will NEVER vote in a liberal social agenda!

As whites disappear, so too will the push for all things homosexual and the so-called rise of atheism. Blacks and hispanics won't go along for that ride!

Hal Donahue THE LIBERAL LOSER
There's no point in talking to Hal. He lives in his little virtual world drinking his kool-aid and spewing his venom at the rest of us through that disgusting fog he lives in.

Our government
Our entire government (city/county/state/federal) is either asleep, just plain stupid, or outright subservient to Muslims and their hate for America.

But we can fix the problem in 2010 and 2012.

Patricia
My sediments exactly.

Ms Tee
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 12:57 PM EST
Wow! Hal managed 2 write....You'd never hear me praising, siding with or otherwise agreeing with the curriculum or emphasis or the teachings of fundy U's, their founders or promoters, however, I consider myself rational enough to be able to distinguish between fundamentalism American style, and its muslim counterpart. ..."

The only thing missing is ability. Rudolph and McVeigh and whoever killed Dr Tiller are cut from the exact same cloth

"...Hal with his inane frothings shows at every turn that he has more time than brains. He should try at some point to show some evidence for his claims. Have any of these colleges or preachers advocated, suggested or commanded their follower ...to establish a kingdom where Neanderthals rule?..."

Sure that is the whole religious right movement mix governance and religion

".... And they attempt to portray conservs as 'uneducated' and close minded?"

Did I say that? Those are your words. I know that the religious right is only a subset in today's conservatism

terrorists


About time a Republican admits that the most terrorist state in the ME is George W. Bush's favorite country: SAUDI ARABIA.

I'm a democrate but I applaud you! That took guts to stand up against Bush!

Mark
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 2:00 PM EST
Hal, Hal, Hal...
Do you really believe that white suburban types are going to disappear?.."

You folks are now almost all rural not suburban. The burbs are pretty much blue

"...Secondly, you had better hope the white race does not become a minority in America, Hal..."

Did I say white was disappearing? You must be over 40 most folks under 40 could care less about "race" or "colour". You sentence gives you away as a disappearing minority

"... I say this because it is effeminate, liberal, white males and white, atheist, feminist lesbians that drive liberalism and these are virtually the only people who vote for liberal social causes like gay marriage and promote the lost cause of atheism in America..."

LMAO the old social conservative agenda proof positive that you are fringe now. Few care who you sleep with or what god, if any, that you claim to worship. You just don't get it but hey its OK....your day is almost over

KATZ
Most of us Texans have the misguided notion that we ought to drill now and drill often for oil to use while we are "transitioning to alternative energy sources". What foolish people we are. It's only a matter of national security and economics.

Meanwhile, Robert down in Fla. and others will get to sit back and watch while Cuba drills for oil Fla. could have gotten. When the Keys' beaches are having to be cleaned from faulty drilling, they might think twice about the experience we have here in Texas. Then again, maybe not.

Saudi Arabia
Katz says:

Stop at Once!
This type of writing needs to be stopped at once because Allah-fearing Muslims are being targeted and discriminated against by the rotten, horrid Americans. I know this because Obama told me so"

You must be another hallucinating right winger.

Obama not only didn't tell you that he didn't tell ANYONE that.

You know the biggest supporters of Saudi Arabia are?

The BUSH FAMILY.

AFter all they've a huge amount of OIL and the Bush men are in the OIL BIDNESS!

You don't remember that right after 9/11 Bush made sure that all of his very dear friends in the bin Laden family were allowed to go back to Saudia Arabia?

You haven't seen the pictures of Bush kissing and holding hands with Saudi Princes?

REmember when Republicans objected to Obama "bowing" to the king of Saudi ARabia?

Bush did too!



Check this out - if you dare:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/111/293457625_10b568f7c7.jpg

Or this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=691434n&tag=related; photovideo

spreading the wealth
OldTimer Says:

" Hate speech or free speech?
According to legislation currently being considered by OUR Congress, much of the article and many of the comments could constitute a federal crime."

Where do these rightwingers come up with these LIES?

Oh, yeah ,they believe in what Bush called "cataputled PROPAGANDA"

He even TOLD you that it was PROPAGANDA, and yet you still fall for it.

You don't want spreading the wealth?

RED states are the poorest in America, make the smallest wages in the country and all those seem to think they DON'T DESERVE a decent wage that means they can take care of thier own families while the elite republicans at the top can own so many megamansions they can't even remembers them all?

Mississippi is the poorest in American and has been for decades. Yet poor Republicans support Barbour who is RICH.

You are allowing the few at the top to impoverish you because you believe Bush Catapulted PROPAGANDA.

When are you going to stand up to your own right to PURSUE HAPPINESS when so many lower income Republicans don't even have enough money to do it?

The POINT of capitalism is to spread the wealth,unlike monarchies that our Founding Fathers rejected. In Britain only the few at the top were wealthy and inherited their money.


Guess what? The megarich few at the top equate to the royals who inherited their money for generations,and the rest of us are the peasants.

Wake up!


Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, MA.
Hey Honey Bunny. Here's the deal. Do NOT EVER try to learn ANYTHING about the struggle that the West is engaged in against Radical Islam.

Nope! You just stay as dumb as you are.You have PLENTY of company in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate.

Just keep posting your mindless twitter.Do not learn!

After all..,Hal needs somebody on these threads to make him look halfway O.K..

Forget Marcia, contact these Dem. Sens.
who could oppose krap and trade and Obamacare:

Senators Bayh Indiana
Senator Ben Nelson NB
Sen. Joe Liberman CT
Sen. Mary Landrieu Louisiana
Sen. Blanch Lincoln AK
Sen. Pryor AK

Sen. # is 202-224/225-3121.

The Big O could lose big on krap and trade, health sttack, and card check.

Bork Sotomayor. I'd love to hand King Elect O a defeat on his racist first SC nominee.

Go to tea parties at your local Cong. rep's and Sen's offices on July 17.

The Big Zero
has adamantly stated that we will no longer torture (ie: water boarding) radical Islamic terrorist prisoners to extract information. He said there are other methods.
Press Secretary Gibbs has been lurking on these threads to check for subversion and his eyes lit up when he read about the Lootenant Kernal’s Jack Daniel’s water boarding sessions. He immediately reported to his boss and presented his findings. The Big O Zero was very impressed. He told Bob that, since the Muzzies detest alcoholic beverages and won’t imbibe, the Kernal’s innovative new approach to water boading can be used by the CIA to interrogate the Muzzie prisoners. All they have to do is threaten to do it. The Muzzies will cave in and spill their guts.
The Kernal is being invited to the White House to receive an award for his innovation. He will awarded a lifetime pass to the Jack Daniel's Distillery where he can swill down as much of the beverage that his kidneys will tolerate.
Congratulations Kernal! You are much appreciated for your drinking habits.

Marcia, this low-income Rep.
doesn't need your help, your half-cracked ideas, Cong.'s boondoggles, or the Big O's socialization of business, health care, the auto industry (I will NEVER buy a GM or Chrysler in the life), or business-busting union leg.

With less taxation, both local, state, and fed., I could have many more $1000s of dollars in my own hands that I could decided what to do with myself.

I do not need a gov't to tell me what light bulbs to use, how much water should be in my toilet, what foods to eat, or what medical care I need. I can make all of those decisions MYSELF.

As to the recession, 60 years of Dem. leg. for Freddie Mac (1938) to Fannie Mae (1968) to the CRAs (1977 and 1992), plus Barney Frank and Chris Dodd as heads of Financial Committees, were enough to create the credit crunch and the housing collapse and the entire recession.

Bush gave the US 5 YEARS of 4.36 unemployment, 0 inflation and 0 interest raises, 15000 stock market, and freedom from terror for us and two Muslim countries: Iraq and Afghanistan.

King Elect wants to ruin the entire nation with krap and trade (TAXES on all materials and energies), Obamacare (bureaucrats in place of drs.), socialization of the car manufacturers, and tax, tax, tax.

Wait till Bush tax cuts expire in the middle of this recession in 2010. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Marcia
Marcia Location: MA
Reply # 83
Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 3:25 PM EST
spreading the wealth
OldTimer Says:
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Watch the videos I posted. These are not propaganda tools. Most people can recognize the truth when they see it. Don't be like the Germans in 1938 who also wanted change. Well do you think they got the change they were hungering for?

Open you eyes, or you and yours will be some of the first, the patriarchs of the religion of peace will slaughter.

Marcia
You say the purpose of Capitalism is to spread the wealth. No, dear. The purpose of Capitalism is to create wealth. If it ain't created, it can't be spread. Get it?
I won't bother explaining to you the circumstances that must exist in order for wealth to be created, but I'll tell you that the circumstances aren't favorable right now which explains why things are so darn sh$tty out there in Obamaland.
The only thing that is being spread at this point is BS and you are contributing your fair share. Good girl!

Marcia MA.
Get the book. It is "Because They Hate" by Brigitte Gabriel.

I am so weary of absolute IDIOTS like you. You refuse to educate yourself on ANY dangers that we face as a nation.

EVERY post that you make here is a post in IGNORANCE!

Gayle's right, Marcia
Wealth has to be generated, that's how it spreads. It does not "spread" by taking from some and giving to others; that is how it diminishes, because "spreading" cultivates a culture of entitlemnet dependency rather than industry. This is plain to see- look at our inner cities; we have more dependents and fewer producers than we did 30 years ago.

In many inner cities We've been doing what Obama is capering around saying is "new" for the past 40 years, and look at the mess. I feel guilty, I was once a very active part of what helped ruin many lives. The best thing we can do make our country business friendly again and dismantle our many destructive bureaucracies, then you will see wealth being created and spreading as a matter of course.

The real common islamic attribute
I have conducted business in more than 70 countries, several of them muslim to various degrees. Our family have several dear muslim friends - mainly of the cultural variety, not religious. We have continuous inside information from several muslim countries and here is my point that I don't see emphasized by other comments. Muslims in general, not only extremists, are masters in DECEPTION. I have personal experience if this fact. For a muslim to deceive a Westener is considered the highest of honors - except for family-like relations, that we happen to have some measure of. To cheat or con a family member is subject to very harsh penalties, but otherwise is more than OK, it is in high regard.

There is a lot to say about what we learned about islam, but for now I can confirm that David Stokes is right on.

BTW, I have read the Koran and can confirm that islamic extremists are not misinterpreting the writings. Beware ignorant, decieved people!


Bo
That's one post you ought to post more often. One day Europe will wake up and find out that it has been replaced. We don't need to head in that same direction.

Offshore
8:33 post..you got that right, I'm a Mass native, down around Narragansett Bay and moved here following my marriage. I went to my class reunion last Fall, and later went to Newport with my sis and her husband and mine. It's a sentimental journey for us since we met there when he was stationed there with the Navy some 48 yrs ago. It happened to be Columbus Day, so there was a parade which include a contingent of Marines. I'm not one to call attention to myself but when I saw them I started to clap and cheer..only my sis and another woman joined me among the hundreds who were watching. It
shocked me, but my sis said, "think about where you are." Reality check right enough..given the politics of the region what was I thinking?????

We've taken a G I A N T step . . .
...We've elected under our own Constitution and laws a closet muslim as P R E S I D E N T ! I understand he's spent over a million to protect anyone from ever seeing his birth certificate - what's he got to hide? It's easier to see the hate in his wife than in him...it seems closer to the surface in her. Our fear of the ALCU and the leftwing lawyers drives the politically correct bandwagon...that and the slobbering infatuated left wing mainstream media...
There has never been a more dangerous time in our nation and in our world than the one we are living right this moment. If enough of us do not wake up and take some action under our Bill of Rights with lawful protest, we will wake up one day and discover it was revoked last night, under the cover of darkness, and shredded in the oval office. I am unable to think even for a single minute that the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has any plans or inclinations to protect the rights and interests and future security of the Judeo-Christian America that is about 90% of our population. It will not take him two terms...nay, not even one term in office to set this nation on a path of utter destruction of our way of life and our cultural and social fabric as God-fearing Americans...Wake up now, or sleep like the honorable Jewish citizens who were the victims of Nazism. A sleep from which most did not awaken.

Cadidiot Hal
You are so full of Shiite. You must view this and comment on it. We can hardly wait to read what you have to say about this:

YouTube - Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the US (Keyword to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&eurl)

Please do not answer the trolls
I read TH every day and this is my first post, but I can't stand it anymore. I see all you well meaning posters answering the trolls inanae posts,not realizing that this is their only joy in life, i.e. aggravating other people. They ALWAYS take the opposite side in any argument you make. Can you not see that? Hal Donahue has only one purpose in life - TO BREAK YOUR CHOPS. There is no other reason he comes on here and yet day after day, bang he and his friends from The Daily Kos and Huff Po come on and bait you well meaning and sincere people. You answer their inane posts and they all get their jollys. You keep them going. If you see a troll's name and skip over whatever nonsense they write they will have no one to annoy and will drive themselves crazy, not you good folk. It is difficult at times to keep reasing when I notice that 20 or 30 percent of the comments are either some stupid troll post or a good, well meaning poster's answer to these idiots. NOTHING YOU SAY WILL PLACATE THEM!!!. You must understand this and get your revenge by ignoring them. If a troll posts and everyone ignores it, does the post really exist???

oldsocialworker/Gayle
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 6:22 PM EST
Gayle's right, Marcia
Wealth has to be generated, that's how it spreads. It does not "spread" by taking from some and giving to others; that is how it diminishes, because "spreading" cultivates a culture of entitlemnet dependency rather than industry. This is plain to see- look at our inner cities; we have more dependents and fewer producers than we did 30 years ago. "

You keep saying look at our inner cities heck even they look good compared to most red states and MS. Marcia is right and I might also add the least healthy. If conservatism workers most red states would be garden spots instead of mired in poverty and ignorance

Very
recently I had a conversation with a muslim man about religion. I learned a few things about Islam. His wife never uttered one word or even a guttural sound. He believes that Jesus was virgin born and god. He believes that I have demons coursing through my veins like blood, infidel that I am. He does not believe in inherent sin and so he believes that praying five times a day makes him pure. He believes that Judas repented of his betrayal and begged Jesus to let him carry his cross and be crucified in his place and that Jesus agreed. No resurrection, folks. All of my questions were answered in a sing-song story fashion. It brought to mind the scripture about cleverly devised fables. I asked him why an omnipotent god (Jesus) who was able to live without sin was unable to die and rise again from the dead. He didn't have a song for that. Silly women and Hal could easily be led astray with such nonsense. Gird up the loins of your minds because they have studied and they believe and it will require more than VBS to combat their deceptions.

oldsocialworker/Gayle
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 6:22 PM EST
Gayle's right, Marcia
Wealth has to be generated, that's how it spreads. It does not "spread" by taking from some and giving to others; that is how it diminishes, because "spreading" cultivates a culture of entitlemnet dependency rather than industry. This is plain to see- look at our inner cities; we have more dependents and fewer producers than we did 30 years ago. "

You keep saying look at our inner cities heck even they look good compared to most red states and MS. Marcia is right and I might also add the least healthy. If conservatism workers most red states would be garden spots instead of mired in poverty and ignorance

inzo great idea
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 8:23 PM EST
Please do not answer the trolls
I read TH every day and this is my first post, but I can't stand it anymore..."

I only come here as a public service so that everyone understands that most views posted here are extremist. Just like you, most readers do not post. What I post is for them. I just find the constant post counter post (given the low caliber of most conservative posters} to be very annoying and of little use. So thank you.

Hal Donahue
No, the Southern states and the inner cities do not "look alike" unless you are comparing the inner cities in the South with the inner cities all over the U.S. Even then, Detroit walks away in first place, maybe even the first three places. You are just making a knuckle-headed statement to get attention.

Get a life.

inzo great idea
"Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 8:23 PM EST
Please do not answer the trolls
I read TH every day and this is my first post, but I can't stand it anymore..."

I only come here as a public service so that everyone understands that most views posted here are extremist. Just like you, most readers do not post. What I post is for them. I just find the constant post counter post (given the low caliber of most conservative posters} to be very annoying and of little use. So thank you.

inzo
You have a point.

Hal, you stupid troll, ignore my post.

Having read most of doofuss' fairy tale

posts, it's obvious that he SHOULD have been reading Jackie Cushman's column... "IMMUNE TO REALITY."

In fact, I'm pretty sure she had doofuss in mind when she wrote it.


doofuss who is immune to reality...

and reason writes:

"I only come here as a public service..."

Well, I HAVE A PUBLIC SERVICE announcement to make.

My laptop was in the shop for a few days. Seems my laptop had some liberal pig virus that they said I obviously got at Huffington...



ANNE...what is the name
Of the liberal pig virus that got into your lap top?
Elvis

Hey, Hal
"I believe the [muslims] would say is updates the OT characters."

Who cares what you believe? Mary is the sister of Aaron (and Moses). The stories of David and Saul are confused with that of Gideon. Pharoah repents, etc.

Obviously, you haven't read either one.

Hal Donahu says...
Hal Donahu says: "The problem is NOT Islam. The problem is religious extremism. "

Nope... The problem really is Islam, Hal.

Hal, you are dumber than a box of hammers.


WHO IS (MR) O
WHO IS MR.OBAMA.?WHOOPS I FORGOT HE IS A CITIZEN OF THE 57 STATE'S...THAT IS THE 57 STATE OF ISLAM!!!NOT THE U.S.OF.A.(WHICH IS LOOKING MORE & MORE LIKE THE 57 STATE'S OF.!.

Cadidiot Hal Donahue in PA
You are flapping your yap a lot here as usual but have nothing to say about this? Why not Hal? Stunned into silence? Shocked? Scared even sillier than you are?

YouTube - Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the US (Keyword to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g&eurl)

Trolls
Long live inzo, I couldn't have said it better.

Ignore Hal Donahue
C'mon folks! We are wasting our precious time and energy even bothering to read and respond to Hal Donahue.

If you go back to any of the posts he has commented on, you'll see that he LOVES to spout his particular brand of anti-religious/pro-Muslim propaganda.

If we ignore him, we'll take away his fun. (Just go back and count how many comments on this post alone are either Halitosis, or a response to him.)

Stop wasting your time with him on this and every other Townhall post.

Either he really believes the drivel he is pushing (in which case he probably thinks he is EDUCATING us dummies) OR he is a person who is just looking for an audience to agitate (let's not help give him his jollies).

Since he spouts inaccurate info, there is nothing to learn from him, and I prefer NOT to contribute to his sense of self-importance.

IGNORE HAL DONAHUE and let's spend our energy on rescuing the USA.

The First and Last Black President
The black population has created their own hell,,,,and they have only themselves to blame. There will never be another black president. The current one has exemplified the word "typical". I also see where socialists, liberals, muslims and democrats will be run off like a stray animal. Deportation to a third world nation should make them all quite happy,,,and we American workers will be happy to send them off, eh?

tuxedoxpress
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 5:13 AM EST
Ignore Hal Donahue...Either he really believes the drivel he is pushing (in which case he probably thinks he is EDUCATING us dummies) OR ...Since he spouts inaccurate info, there is nothing to learn from him, and I prefer NOT to contribute to his sense of self-importance."

Not inaccurate at all. Feel happy, I am in DC on Tuesday and Wednesday so will not be on TownHall. Can you cope? LMAO

"...IGNORE HAL DONAHUE and let's spend our energy on rescuing the USA."

LOL your day is over

A History Lesson
Hal Doofus: "Oh dear maybe you don't study history? They won the crusades. No re-runs for me..."

Read history, Hal, buddy boy, the Muslims were thrown out of Spain in 1492. And that was the end for all intents and purposes of the Muslim onslaught against Europe!

LMAO (as per the Doofus's favorite illustration of his intelligence.)

tuxedoxpress
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 5:13 AM EST
Ignore Hal Donahue...Either he really believes the drivel he is pushing (in which case he probably thinks he is EDUCATING us dummies) OR ...Since he spouts inaccurate info, there is nothing to learn from him, and I prefer NOT to contribute to his sense of self-importance."

Not inaccurate at all. Feel happy, I am in DC on Tuesday and Wednesday so will not be on TownHall. Can you cope? LMAO

"...IGNORE HAL DONAHUE and let's spend our energy on rescuing the USA."

LOL your day is over

Jerseyvet
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 7:59 AM EST
A History Lesson
Hal Doofus: "Oh dear maybe you don't study history? They won the crusades. No re-runs for me..."

Read history, Hal, buddy boy, the Muslims were thrown out of Spain in 1492. And that was the end for all intents and purposes of the Muslim onslaught against Europe!"

The crusades were to regain the "holy land" not keep the Muslims out of Europe. How did that work out for Christian Europe? Remember a city called Constantinople?

LMAO

Hal, the Lying Sad Sack Garritrooper:
The crusades were to regain the "holy land" not keep the Muslims out of Europe. How did that work out for Christian Europe? Remember a city called Constantinople?

LMAO

Just where the hell did you allegedly learn history? Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453. The Moors were ejected from Spain in 1492.

Last question where and why were crescent rolls created? Hint the answer has something to do with the last effort of the Muslims to conquer Europe.

A short history lesson for Hal...
The crusades were a series of campaigns fought over hundreds of years with a view to regain the "holy land", just as Hal said. Of course he ignores the causative element which answers the question, "Why crusade?"

From the Wiki:
The Muslim presence in the Holy Land began with the initial Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century. The Muslim armies' successes put increasing pressure on the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire.

...Another factor that contributed to the change in Western attitudes towards the East came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. In 1039 his successor, after requiring large sums be paid for the right, permitted the Byzantine Empire to rebuild it.[7] Pilgrimages were allowed to the Holy Lands before and after the Sepulchre was rebuilt, but for a time pilgrims were captured and some of the clergy were killed. The Muslim conquerors eventually realized that the wealth of Jerusalem came from the pilgrims; with this realization the persecution of pilgrims stopped.[8] However, the damage was already done, and the violence of the Seljuk Turks became part of the concern that spread the passion for the Crusades.[9]

The origins of the Crusades lie in developments in Western Europe earlier in the Middle Ages, as well as the deteriorating situation of the Byzantine Empire in the east caused by a new wave of Turkish Muslim attacks.

Yes, the Muslims were advancing and the perception in Europe was that the advance on Western civilization had to be stopped. The attacks of the Musims were the cause of the Crusades.

Hal, the attacks of the Muslims were the cause of the Crusades.

You are still dumber than a box of hammers.





Mr Difar
Don't insult a box of hammers by comparing them to Hal. the Lying Sad Sack of Sh1t Garritrooper.

SFA1973
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 8:45 AM EST
Hal,....:...The crusades were to regain the "holy land" not keep the Muslims out of Europe. How did that work out for Christian Europe? Remember a city called Constantinople?

LMAO

Just where the hell did you allegedly learn history? Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453. The Moors were ejected from Spain in 1492."

Yeah and were not "crusades" although any war against Muslims was called that. The West lost the crusades. An argument can be made that the real reason for the crusades was to halt the constant wars between entities in Europe by sending the young men off to fight elsewhere.

Mr Difar
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 8:57 AM EST
A short history lesson for Hal...
The crusades were a series of campaigns fought over hundreds of years with a view to regain the "holy land", just as Hal said. Of course he ignores the causative element which answers the question, "Why crusade?"

From the Wiki:...The origins of the Crusades lie in developments in Western Europe earlier in the Middle Ages, as well as the deteriorating situation of the Byzantine Empire in the east caused by a new wave of Turkish Muslim attacks....Yes, the Muslims were advancing and the perception in Europe was that the advance on Western civilization had to be stopped. The attacks of the Musims were the cause of the Crusades."

Hmmm didn't some crusader army or two sack and burn Constantinople? Why did they do that do you think?

"...Hal, the attacks of the Muslims were the cause of the Crusades...."

If you think that was the sole cause then you are indeed "...dumber than a box of hammers."

LOL

Hal
Who won the crusades. I guess that depends. The goals of the crusades was th recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims and that failed.

You really can't say that the Muslim expulsion from Spain (ending with the fall of Grenda in 1492) and the push back of the Turks from Eastern and Central Europe in the 16th century and 17th century can be counted as part of the Crusades. The main goal of the Crusades was to free Jersusalem from the Muslims. This wouldn't be accomplished until the end of the Ottoman Empire, when the British were given Palestine and Trans Jordan as a LON Mandate. So in short, the Muslims won the Crusades.

Akagi
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 10:00 AM EST...Hal..."

We agree 100%

The Lootenant Kernal aka
Lackawanna County's Man of the Year is all over the threads spouting his usual nonsense. He seems a little agitated this morning. It's almost "Happy Hour" Kernal. Hopefully your daily Jack Daniels" water boarding session will mellow you out.
Cheers old chap!

Islam is not protected by

the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It may be outlawed by the government.

Hal Donahue - Reply#79
Did I say white was disappearing? You must be over 40 most folks under 40 could care less about "race" or "colour". You sentence gives you away as a disappearing minority

This is a disgusting statement. People should be proud of their ancestry, it is what makes a person what they are. I am of Scottish decent and am very proud of it. Hal, you are brain washed by the school system that teaches kids it is wrong to be proud to be white and of who you are. You also fall into that category to wash out the white race. How pathetic of you.

As for you comments on Islam, apparantely you feel it is ok to treat women as if they are a dog and that they are only property to be used for breeding only. Any society that treats women like that are nothing but swine.

School of Hate
All these responses would make Brigitte Gabriel
so proud!!
Why don't you read her book : 'Because they hate'

Maybe you'll get it.


pegwitch2 of Texas says the serially
... sodomite, shirt-lifting, mattress munching, pillow-biting, turd-burgling sister, goat and little-boy buggering bloody barbarians who follow the first false fuhrer's perverted ideology -- that mandates the lifelong enslavement and absolute ownership of its every female victim -- are swine.

Please! Please! Please! Please, pegwitch2!

Piggies are much nicer than that.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad

pegwitch2
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 12:34 PM EST
Hal Donahue - Reply#79
Did I say white was disappearing? You must be over 40 most folks under 40 could care less about "race" or "colour". Your sentence gives you away as a disappearing minority

This is a disgusting statement. People should be proud of their ancestry, it is what makes a person what they are. I am of Scottish decent and am very proud of it..."

Study biology please there is little difference genetically between any of us. Colour is an adaptation and at some point we will most likely all be shades. Your culture affects who you think you are but that is a different story; there are plenty of black Scots.

"...Hal, you are brain washed by the school system that teaches kids it is wrong to be proud to be white and of who you are. You also fall into that category to wash out the white race. How pathetic of you."

I could care less about "race" it simply is irrelevant. Most younger people hardly even notice it. Are you over 40?

"...As for you comments on Islam, apparantely you feel it is ok to treat women as if they are a dog and that they are only property to be used for breeding only. Any society that treats women like that are nothing but swine."

Whoops so that applies to the christian and Jewish fundamentalist folk who behave very closely to Muslim fundamentalist behavior? My neighbor has been married seven year and had eight children, walks behind her husband, always has her head covered, etc Not all Islam treats their women like that for example Iraq under Saddam didn't

"footbaths" . . .
make EXCELLENT urinals. There is much less "mess" if your "aim" is off. Yes I have used them as such.
islam is a "cult" NOT a "religion".
As to obama's allegiances, he declared that he would be on the side of the muslims in any conflict. his statements about the "57 states" and his perfect recitation of the muslim "call to prayer" were NOT gaffes.
The poTUs should be tried for treason and dealt with appropriately. It is readily apparent that he has violated his "oath of office" (unlike the many of us military who have NEVER revoked our oath that we took on entry to military service).

"Hal" . . .
with all due respect, you are incorrect about "race". It is NOT merely a "social construct" that most (if not all) liberals place on it. There ARE physiological differences that must be taken into account.
There is scientific evidence that certain medications show different results on the various races. Some medications work better on blacks than whites or asians (and vice-versa). These "differences" do NOT deny the humanity of ANY individual or race but merely point out certain racial differences in the human genome.
Be acknowledging that THERE ARE DIFFERENCES in the races, more effective medicines can be developed that will benefit ALL races.
Racial differences ARE a very touchy subject. (And rightly so. One only has to look at the horrors of the Tuskegee "experiments" where blacks were purposely denied medical ttreatment for venereal disesases; the mistrust exists to this very day). Dispassionate research WITHOUT advocating superiority (or inferiority) between the races WILL result in scientific advances that benefit ALL races.

I went to school in Fairfax Co.
And I knew and competed against a number of students from ISA. The students I knew were well-educated, respectful, well-mannered, and didn't exhibit and hate or contempt toward non-Muslims. I'm disappointed in Mr. Stokes and Townhall for posting such a rash generalization of a school and a few of the individuals who attended it.

The truth is that you could pick nearly any high school in the US and find violent criminals among its graduates.

tj
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 2:50 PM EST
"footbaths" . . .Yes I have used them as such.
islam is a "cult" NOT a "religion"..."

Well that says it all about respect - you get none and don't ever complain about P Jesus' etc again. Islam is a large well respected religion and far from a cult. You should learn definitions of words.

"...As to obama's allegiances, he declared that he would be on the side of the muslims in any conflict..."

Out of context BS

"...The poTUs should be tried for treason and dealt with appropriately. It is readily apparent that he has violated his "oath of office" (unlike the many of us military who have NEVER revoked our oath that we took on entry to military service)."

No actually it is not. And crazies like you are a laughable joke. Thank goodness you are either old, incompetent or ignorant most likely all three. By the way uttering the nonsense you uttered about President Obama means you have indeed forgotten and military oath you may have taken.

tj
"Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 3:07 PM EST
"Hal" . . .
with all due respect, you are incorrect about "race". It is NOT merely a "social construct" that most (if not all) liberals place on it. There ARE physiological differences that must be taken into account.
There is scientific evidence that certain medications show different results on the various races. Some medications work better on blacks than whites or asians (and vice-versa). These "differences" do NOT deny the humanity of ANY individual or race but merely point out certain racial differences in the human genome..."

My point is that we are becoming so homogenized that only a genes test can determine our "race". Just because you appear white doesn't mean you do not have many other races in your mix.

"...Dispassionate research WITHOUT advocating superiority (or inferiority) between the races WILL result in scientific advances that benefit ALL races."

Already being done with gene and cell therapy. Your race is increasingly irrelevant it is beyond that medicines are being tailored to the individual.

Yeah, it's probably best to ignore
poor Hal - he changes the subject when corrected. Just think if the Jews read the updated Torah in the Koran and saw that Pharoah had repented, they wouldn't have wasted thousands of years celebrating Passover getting drunk in order to be able to stomach the Maror and Chazeret.

Yeah, it didn't happen and Jerusalem's right next to Luxor.

Cia
Cia Location: VA
Reply # 133
Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 4:36 PM EST
I went to school in Fairfax Co.
And I knew and competed against a number of students from ISA. The students I knew were well-educated, respectful, well-mannered, and didn't exhibit and hate or contempt toward non-Muslims. I'm disappointed in Mr. Stokes and Townhall for posting such a rash generalization of a school and a few of the individuals who attended it.

The truth is that you could pick nearly any high school in the US and find violent criminals among its graduates.
===============================================

you have missed the point. The schools in the US that you speak of are not teaching the graduates to be violent criminals.

But the Quran does, which is an important part of any Islamic school.

08haybusa:
Are you serious? Islamic schools in the U.S. are NOT teaching hate or jihadism?
Remember Jose padilla, Johnny Walker Lynn...
truth is Saudi funding even to secular schools and universities is setting up what are virtually propaganda classes on the virtues of Islam, and many impressionable young people are being recruited. Not to mention the 35 islamic Jihadi training schools across the nation, set up on private lands purchased with saudi money to train young Jihadists(as reported by N.E. Intelligence network)for a future major jihad against the "great satan'.

I think most Americans are in the dark as to the extent of a growing threat within...becauee of PC and a failure of the media to report.
There have been many pre-empted attempts, including one in my home state of NJ.
Three Jihadisist were convicted for a failed attempt to attack Fort Dix, set off explosives and shoot as many troops as possible.
Time to wake up America.

The day that proponents of islam . . .
renounce "jihad", forced conversions and "dhimmi" will be the day when they will be welcome in the "world community. Until then . . .

Recruiting for jihad, islamics like
Chicago

Hizb ut-Tahrir, an international movement seeking to re-establish an international Islamic state - or Caliphate - and to indoctrinate Muslims into supporting jihad, wants to step up its recruitment efforts in the United States. On July 19, the group, whose alumni include 9/ 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and suicide bombers, will hold a conference titled "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam" in the Grand Ballroom of the Hilton Hotel in Oak Lawn, Ill, a Chicago suburb.

For decades, Hizb ut-Tahrir America (HTA) has operated covertly, holding these Khalifa (Caliphate) conferences in the United States under the name of front organizations. But that has begun to change. Last fall, the group issued a leaflet in its own name urging Muslims to boycott the U.S. elections. The group just released this video promoting the July 19 conference. According to the conference website, the program includes a question-and-answer session and two panels; one entitled "Capitalism is Doomed to Fail," the other "The Suffering Under Capitalism."

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0709/emerson071409.php3

DHS is unaware I guess and looks at Ron Paul supporters

more Muslims should have been deported

On 9/12/01, we should have commenced the process of deporting all Muslim non-citizens who are here with no clear purpose. I have seen nothing since then which changes this conclusion. We have, if anything, been importing more Muslims. We shall, someday not too far from now, pay dearly for our failure.

Mac
Mac Location: NJ
Reply # 138
Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 11:40 PM EST
08haybusa:
Are you serious? Islamic schools in the U.S. are NOT teaching hate or jihadism?
Remember Jose padilla, Johnny Walker Lynn...
truth is Saudi funding even to secular schools and universities is setting up what are virtually propaganda classes on the virtues of Islam, and many impressionable young people are being recruited. Not to mention the 35 islamic Jihadi training schools across the nation, set up on private lands purchased with saudi money to train young Jihadists(as reported by N.E. Intelligence network)for a future major jihad against the "great satan'.

I think most Americans are in the dark as to the extent of a growing threat within...becauee of PC and a failure of the media to report.
There have been many pre-empted attempts, including one in my home state of NJ.
Three Jihadisist were convicted for a failed attempt to attack Fort Dix, set off explosives and shoot as many troops as possible.
Time to wake up America.
===============================================

I'm not one of the ones in the dark my friend. I'm simply trying not to overload but to get those in the dark simply to start to look.

Check out the videos in my earlier post.
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