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Tuesday, March 04, 2008
David Limbaugh :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Halo Not Attached with Superglue
by David Limbaugh
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To me, the greatest irony of the Democratic primary contest is that while Hillary Clinton has tried desperately to make herself more human, Barack Obama has basked in the efforts of others to make him less so.

Eventually, Obama will be brought back down to earth from his pseudo-divine perch. When that happens, there will be plenty of areas of vulnerability for his opponent -- presumably, John McCain -- to exploit.

Unhappily for Hillary, she hasn't been able to seize on Obama's weaknesses. This is because many of them she shares, and the others she can't politically afford to draw attention to. Obama's extreme liberalism across the board makes him ripe for attack from the right, or even the center, but Hillary is hardly in a position to make a credible case against him there, except possibly on national security and Iraq.

With cool, premeditated calculation, Hillary methodically positioned herself as plausibly hawkish enough for the general election. How was she supposed to know she would face such a formidable challenger in the primaries?

Her response hasn't helped. Instead of defending her position on Iraq and presenting Obama as irresponsibly dovish on foreign policy, she has distorted her vote on the Iraq War resolution to con the base into believing she was with them all along.

In trying to put that square peg into a round hole, she has succeeded only in making herself look John Kerryish, which is to say wishy-washy, unintelligible, deceitful and downright ridiculous on the issue. The net effect is that she has earned further contempt from the base and made no inroads with anyone else. Meanwhile, Barack has watched this delicious turn of events unfold while polishing his halo.

Belatedly, Hillary is now running ads suggesting Obama is unprepared and ill-suited to receive that 3 a.m. national security crisis call in the White House. But not having previously demonstrated Obama's lack of national security bona fides nor her own possession of them, her attack ads are likely falling flat. It would be like LBJ running the TV ad of the little girl picking daisies only to be incinerated in a nuclear attack without first having established -- albeit fraudulently -- that Barry Goldwater was a trigger-happy, sadistic warmonger. (And liberals talk about the politics of fear!)

But looking ahead, Obama will not escape scrutiny from John McCain in the general election, despite McCain's own liberal proclivities on too many issues. If I'm wrong and McCain treats Obama with kid gloves, he'll go the way of Bob Dole and Jack Kemp, who seemed to have more compliments than criticisms for Clinton and Gore in 1996.

You'd think Obama would be getting nervous about the artificial pedestal he's been placed on. As an object of idolatry with an aura of inerrancy, there is not much margin for error. But Barack Obama, like the rest of us, is mortal.

Even for McCain, Obama's liberalism is a target-rich environment. It's not only woefully out of sync with the center-right electorate, but it also belies his claim that he's an exemplar of bipartisanship. Talk is dirt cheap, though Hillary didn’t succeed in exposing Obama's sophistry on this claim, either.

McCain would be well advised to make Obama own his socialistic affinities -- on taxes, spending, health care and more. He should also show how radical Obama is on abortion, where he's out of step with the majority of Americans.

And no matter how uncomfortable it may be to broach the issue, McCain should make Obama answer for membership in a church whose long-time pastor's magazine lauded the overtly racist and anti-Semitic Louis Farrakhan as "truly epitomiz[ing] greatness." People are missing the boat in thinking Obama's vulnerability here can be sidestepped with a semantic dodge over whether to denounce or reject Farrakhan's support.

The real question is why Obama would choose to be in a church whose leading spiritual authority holds such repugnant views. This is his pastor we're talking about, holding forth on a very important matter, not some tangential acquaintance discussing some inconsequential topic. On a related matter, Obama has explaining to do as well on his tepid support for Israel.

But where Obama is most vulnerable is on national security and Iraq, the very areas where McCain has the most credibility. Though Obama has received a pass from Hillary and the press on these subjects, and though he boasts prescience and wisdom on them, his record and statements make him a sitting duck.

Concerning Iraq, many of his predictions were wrong, his factual assertions false, his assessment and analysis erroneous, and his prescriptions reckless. If McCain is smart, before November he'll have Obama in that infamous tank with Michael Dukakis, wearing that same silly-looking helmet.

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Beastie Boy:
You agreed that your tax dollars should be used when Congress passes legislation and not when forced by activist judges.

In the next sentence, you asked for your money back from the taxes spent on the Iraq war which was authorized by legislation.

By your own admission, _you don't get your money back_. Deal with it.

Can't you stay away from personal attacks? My idea of what's constitutional or not has _nothing_ to do with your contradiction.

Stop evading. Deal with what _you_ said. Either address _your_ contradiction, or let it drop.

Beastie Boy
I never realized the Ninth Amendment created federally enforceable rights....at the expense of others ("The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"). Guess your abilities to "read between the lines" are more powerful than my own.

.....and all this time I thought Roe vs. Wade was just an activist SCOTUS decision.

Lilly
Your list is fine with me. Go for it.
(Just pay for it yourself- nothing on the list is society's/taxpayers responsibility).

The failure is in our civics curriculum
wjrii: "There wasn't an activist judge in sight."
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Nor was there one in the abortion decision. Ever read the Ninth Amendment? Ever read the speech Madison gave when he introduced the BoR?

"What I like is constitutional; what I don't isn't" appears to be the sum and substance of your jurisprudence.

Pastor Obama
When he loses in the democratic primary or general election he can open his own church and give more awards to farrakan and preach that you can be a christian and a baby killer at the same time, a gay activist and a christian at the same time, a redistribution of wealth thief and a christian at the same time, a govt charity not christian charity christian, Talk about wearing religion on your sleeve while trying to satisfy a atheist socialist base. I guess they are trying to steal the "Jesusland" base with lies and deception. Just go open your phoney church and go away.

Beastie Boy: Picked and Chosen
Beastie Boy writes: Tuesday, March, 04, 2008 10:59 PM
*** "Pick and choose
Ice: "- Don't expect to use my tax dollars and don't force legislation on me that is enacted by an activist liberal judge instead of our legislative bodies."

Fine. Can I have my rebate for this stinkin' war?" ***

Sorry, but the House and the Senate which includes YOUR elected representative and YOUR elected senators voted to authorize the war. There wasn't an activist judge in sight.

That's how it's supposed to work.

Flavorless1
The "O" is Liberal to the core.

Obama Kool Aid
If your not an obama Kool aid drinker you would watch him speak so smoothly about hope and change and then stammer and stutter when he debates an actual issue. Fun to watch but I feel most are already under that spell and don't notice he is all dreamy on the outside and a deviant and corrupt to the core inside. Oh yeah, the general election will be an eye opener for the people going in with their eyes and minds open. McCain will have the opportunity to pull alot of moderate dems and independents when the light of truth is focused on obama.

Pick and choose
Ice: "- Don't expect to use my tax dollars and don't force legislation on me that is enacted by an activist liberal judge instead of our legislative bodies."

Fine. Can I have my rebate for this stinkin' war?

Icedog @ 901
"I just heard ...there are twice as many democrats supporting McCain than Republicans supporting obama"

Once the Mc-ster realizes he has a quorum there he can cut the lead weight of the right. (just pander the crap out of the mid-mods) I bet he can hardly wait for that. They call him maverick... (to the theme song of “flipper”)

Icedog
Why waste time in science class teaching Intelligent Design? Students need to learn biology, chemistry and physics. When I was a student in public school we spent about 45 minutes on evolution, total in 12 years. Who cares? This whole debate is a big distraction from what we need to compete, technologically, with the rest of the world.

If people want to learn Intelligent Design they can learn it at church!

Icedog
then why push for a National School Prayer Amendment in the first place? When my kids go to lunch, they get their food, select a table to sit at with their friends, sit down and say a prayer amongst those who want to.

What is the point of getting the school administrative authororities involved?


zap
I've been a conservative for more than 20 years and I've never heard one conservative want "a Contract between a student, big government and the church of their choice."

I'm sure you can scrape up one loon somewhere, but you are extremely confused or you just enjoy posting random crap.

zap
re: "too many conservatives think the best way to compete with Europe and Asia is to teach our children 'Intelligent design."

I've never heard this belief from anyone...can you please link even one credible source making this claim.

....and compete with what? economy?

national prayer in school
too many conservatives want to replace a 'personal relationship with God' with a Contract between a student, big government and the church of their choice.

a school mandated prayer session is not the way to go.


science
too many conservatives think the best way to compete with Europe and Asia is to teach our children 'Intelligent design.'

We will lose if we go down this path.

Lilly
I actually don't have a problem with any items on your list. However....

1) am having an abortion
- Don't expect to use my tax dollars and don't force legislation on me that is enacted by an activist liberal judge instead of our legislative bodies.

2) am marrying my gay partner
- Don't try to force me to recognize or sanction your relationship as 'normal'

3) am choosing euthanasia because I have terminal cancer
- Don't try to force your belief in suicide on me, or advocate the murder of others

4) am requiring my pharmacist to fill a contraceptives prescription
- Go for it....you may actually be serving your country by not creating any more libs

5) am a biology teacher who refuses to mention the Bible in my classes
- As long as you don't try to teach my kids that evolution is a proven fact.

The punch line is at 2:30
http://www.ericblumrich.com/yt39.htm

Limbaugh
Looks like he brought out the moonbats again. Yep,Charles,those retarded Limbaugh boys. One who has a NPW of somewhere in the $100,000,000 area,and the other somewhere in the tens of millions. I'll take THAT type of "retardation" anytime.

To myopine
1) He writes most of his own speeches.
2) I don't know about lemonade stands, but he runs one hell of a political campaign.

Icedog
Yes, I heard it five minutes ago, although the numbers were a little different. CNN reported a poll in which 25% of Hillary supporters said they would just as soon vote for McCain.

Ray
Your definition of a liberal is someone who wants to tell others how to live? So in that case the converse must be true and a conservative doesn't? Fine. Suppose I announce that I

1) am having an abortion
2) am marrying my gay partner
3) am choosing euthanasia because I have terminal cancer
4) am requiring my pharmacist to fill a contraceptives prescription
5) am a biology teacher who refuses to mention the Bible in my classes

Then I assume that as a good tolerant conservative you won't have a word to say.

xpressit
re: "Well that is funny but Obamaprojects himself_ apparently successfully_ as the “everybody’s candidate” -- moderates, swingvoters, crossover Republicans, and disenchanted media analysts :-)"

I just heard on Fox that according to three recent independent polls...there are twice as many democrats supporting McCain than Republicans supporting obama.....think you'll ever hear about that in the MSM?

Roger Baldwin founding director
Roger Baldwin was the founder and director of the ACLU and a COMMUNIST.

This fact is ignored by the media and his loyal followers.

Obama vs. Bush
The Democrats have already telegraphed their campaign strategy, long ago. Regardless of whether Obama or Hillary is nominated:

The Dem nominee won't be running against McCain. He or she will be running against Bush, trying to turn the 2008 election into a referendum on some of the more unpopular policies of the Bush Administration. (Such as the decision to invade Iraq, but that's not the only one)

If the Dems succeed in framing this election as "Democrats vs. Bush," McCain will lose--no GOP candidate can win on those terms because Bush's approval rating is so low, and the Democrats know it.

So above all else, McCain has to show the voters that he is his own man, not just a shill for Bush promising "Four More Years!" Because that won't fly.

McCain has to convince the voters that he too can deliver a fresh start. That's much tougher for him than for Obama, because it's not clear that the GOP base wants to change any part of the Bush legacy except immigration.



Taft
You asked me:
"Why wouldn't the Right want to jump at the chance to have a great family man in the white house who can speak in complete sentences and has morals?"

I'm sure "the right" would welcome that, as would most Americans...
... if that man had the experience to be president,
... if that man were perceived to have America's interests first in his heart,
... if that man had anything to offer besides higher taxes to pay for social programs,
... if that man had a clue about the unintended consequences of some of his proposals.
For my part I'd rather have these things than a perfect looking family.

As for the morals, I'd prefer someone who wasn't so callous about the innocent unborn.

I'm a realist. I know no one is perfect. The things that are important to each of us have a priority, and whoever best matches those priorities is who we back.

Obamanade
My Opine, Just amazing so many people buy it. Yea, I can't count the number of times.... and it hasn't changed much over the years :-)

cut to the chase
"Obama's extreme liberalism across the board makes him ripe for attack from the right, or even the center, but Hillary is hardly in a position to make a credible case against him there, except possibly on national security and Iraq."

Well that is funny but Obamaprojects himself_ apparently successfully_ as the “everybody’s candidate” -- moderates, swingvoters, crossover Republicans, and disenchanted media analysts :-)

xpressit
Have you ever listened to Obama's speaches?
He is a great orator.
He has a great speech writer.

Someone should have nominated the speech writer!

Aside from the verbal facade, Obama is not qualified to manage a lemonade stand!

Michelle on the Obama/Muslim smear

Is Hillary destroying her own party and splitting Americans? Is there a double standard for Billary?

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/michelle-on-the-ob amamuslim-smear

Lets hope
“Eventually, Obama will be brought back down to earth”

Yea, right. “Hope”. But meanwhile RNC is busy making calls this primary day. They ask how concerned are you about beating Hillary? Are these guys in a cave somewhere? They point to Ohio and Texas. Worried indeed about defeating Hillary? They prove its all about money and raising it, even if they have to use Clintons to do it. Must be tough times on a budget at RNC.

Beasite Boy
All I watched was a little "Hate America" allegations based on innuendo.

I have a very low tolerance for "Hate America".
I have no sympathy for those who hate America and are too apathetic to leave.

There are many such.
I often wonder how much badmouthing they would get away with in another Nation?
Http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?catid=94&type=issue


Dems and the ACLU
Here's another insightful quote from Roger Baldwin, founder of a major dem institution, the ACLU...

"I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is, of course, the goal."

But I guess I'm just nitpicking and try to twist words.

Mike R
I just said liberals listened every day to try to trip him.You agreed.You said he had no great influence.That he was preaching to the choir.I wondered if you were part of the choir (I didn't say that though). I said he has great influence. You asked if I knew that from experience or from empirical knowledge. Sounded sarcastic to me,but maybe it was not intended.It doesn't matter,anyway.

The video makes the point
MyOpine: "I watched all of your Communist "Hate America" clip I could stomach."
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Can you refute its claims on the merits?

Didn't think so.

I get my information from more than one source -- or one point of view.

To renny
Re "Virtually all of 19th Century Socialism has been enacted in the United States". Even for townhall, that is a really stupid statement. Have you ever heard of the Soviet Union, for example, or the Scandinavian countries? Just about every European country has elements of Socialism. And you're off by a century. The Russian Revolution wasn't until 1917, which was, hello, in the Twentieth Century.

Media Attitude?
MSNBC Tuesday mid-afternoon:

(Shows film clip of Hillary sneering "I have a LIFETIME of experience. Senator McCain has a LIFETIME of experience. Senator Obama has a speech he made in 2002", a statement that is snotty as well as untrue on several accounts.)

Next, this film clip: Obama is on his airplane talking to a reporter, responding to that statement by Hillary. He says, "Well, her campaign has been going negative for the past two weeks. I have said that I won't do that." His manner is calm and he speaks in a slow and reasonable fashion.

Next, the announcer: "Wow! Listen to those two jab at each other!".

MotleyCrue
One of the saddest things about Americans, is that there ignorance lies in their subconscious and they don't even know it is there.To say that the "CHILD" did not know the connotations of her statement,leaves me sad.Also as an adult,hiding your prejudice behind an innocuous statement, of a child, is down right pathetic.Any Psychologist can help you examine your subconscious.Try the yellow pages.Oh, before I leave this subject;Any 12 year old,that does not already know,that a monkey has a better memory than a human,has little chance of a Harvard education.

Better a Halo, then Horns
If there's is a Halo above Obama's head, it wasn't Obama who put it there. The Democrats are famous for the quote, the will of the people. It was the will of the people that Obama be treated as the next rock star. The torch has been passed. If the critics are looking at Obama as something holy because of his appeal and rhetoric, then they missed the message the voters are sending. Obama is nothing but a mouth piece of the people who support him. If what Obama said wasn't welcomed by the people, he wouldn't be winning. Hillary's the perfect example of just the opposite. Rather then admit to herself that her message is falling on deaf ears, Hillary says she's going to stay in the race no matter what. Even if it's the will of the people that she drop out. If Hillary's experience and the issues are the backbone of her campaign. Her experience and her issues aren't must good against Obama who lacks the politicial experience Hillary has. How will her experience of the issues help her if she is elected President, against the real world of politicial masters, when she can't even beat Obama who is all talk and no action.

icedog
today oblahma is wondering why the media is suddenly asking tougher questions. He says he wasn't this to happen. Huh. Did he think he copuld sake all the way therough the election cycle. It seems just more proof he is not ready for prime time if he thinks all will melt due doe oblahmania

Icedog
Did you notice the red rose in fist emblem on that site?
That same emblem is used by Democratic Socialists of America, Communists USA and Socialists International.

Care to guess how many Democrats are aware of who they are affiliated with?

Each time Democrats have the power, they have allowed our military to become weak from attrition and antiquation.
Each time America has become weak we have been attacked.
And we "Go to war with the army we have".
And America's fathers & sons die bravely to buy time.
Time to develop & produce modern weapons.
Time to forge our young men into a strong military.
During WW1 & WW2 both, America spent the lives of many men to buy time.
Time is more costly today.
How many lives can we afford?
Would it be more frugal to maintain a strong military and avoid being forced into war?

MikeR
If you can seperate the monkey/racial angle from the statement....I'm sure even you'll admit that Obama does look a little like Curious George. Rush had no need to apologize.

However, this brings up why Hillary needs to stick around for at least a while. A liberal woman can safely (most of the time) criticize Obama on his statements and policies. But just wait until a white conservative (somewhat) man tries to point out Obama's faults. We both the know the one word that will get beat to death over the next 8 months.

A lib by any other name.

A Commie/lib or progressive/Democrat is sort of like that proverbial duck. You know it when you see and hear one, without a thousand word definition. Fascist, liberal, progressive, socialist, communist are similar. They want to tell everyone else how to live.

MyOpine
Nice link...these dems (and there are many) actually admit they want to cut the already meager defense budget by 50 percent, provide federal funding for abortions and return taxes to their 1977 levels.

I wonder what is the true percentage of dem voters who actually know what the hell they're voting for...I would bet it's less than 15%. Sad.

Rowly
I ask you again, what are you talking about? I have questions about the incident but the transcript was provided by Rush’s official site. No sarcasm was used in my initial post or response to you. I was being quite frank.

Beastie Boy
I watched all of your Communist "Hate America" clip I could stomach.

Such propaganda serves to define Progressives.
This is who they are;
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0 &SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&Ink=b&ItemID=164

This is what they want;
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

We're there, whether you like it or not
SP: "I responded to your comments about calling W a fascist by saying you were dogmatic (arrogantly expressing opinion as fact without the facts) about calling Repubs fascists. here you are doing it again under Mussolini's definition."
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You are making the assumption that I call all Republicans fascists. Shrub meets the definition of a fascist, as do his most rabid supporters -- and as far as laying out the facts, I am assuming that you are roughly as familiar with day-to-day news reports as I am.

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

"Super"glue?
Was that supposed to be punny? lol

Fascism -- what is it?
SP: well then Beastie Boy
I think you are unhinged. We are not living in a fascistic state as compared to Mussolini's or do you disagree? I don't call people traitors or fascists or Nazis unless they are.
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Remember that Mussolini's wasn't the only fascist state. Suharto built a kleptocracy not unlike the Bush junta has.

Goldberg seems to have invented a new definition -- sort-of like "Islamofascism" -- one foreign to the bulk of historians who have studied it. Still, it is true that militarism has always been at the heart of fascism, and a lot of baggage (excess obsession with patriotism) comes with it.

Mussolini's fascism is incompatible with any species of liberal socialism of which I am aware. Read him in his own words, http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/m ussolini.htm, and I think you'll find Britt's formulation a lot closer to the mark. It is like the country is a business and the people, units of production. The rights of the individual are seriously and brutally curtailed, as we see under Bush. The socialist state is more of a nanny state, whereas the fascist state is a sneering father.

Set and example for us Libs!
Been fed up up with Liberalism and their ilk for a long time. Here's why:

There have been poor people and rich people since the beginning of time, and here in the US there is no exception.
Dems and Liberals had control of Congress and government for the better part of 50 years. Same old lament the same as now; raise taxes to support the poor--taxes were raised and we still have the poor why?

I have personally observed the modern poor with big screen TVs, cell phones, ATVs. nice cars ect.

Warren Buffet a few weeks ago, claims he pays less taxes than his secretary, but we still have the poor!

Conservatis are according to some posters here, stingey and self serving, yet the Kennedy's,The Kerrys, Ted Turner, The Hollywood moguls such as Steven Speilberg, other fine Dems and Liberals like Barbara Streisand and who can forget overpaid athletes without number?

Romney was ridiculed because he was a self made Millionire. Money can't buy an election was the battle cry like from the Huckster and the Dems. Yet Hillary loans $5 Million to her campaign- Barak Obama has millions in his campaign coffers, no press critisisms there, and we still have the poor with us. Isn't it funny, that only Conservatives and Republicans are the rich?

I was born poor, or at least of modest means and so was much of my family, but my family never took one dime from public assistance, and we got along just fine. But from LBJ's Great Society up to now the poor are still with us. Why?

I'm a retired Military man and Veteran. Am I special? No, not hardly, but but my career, allowed me to get by, yet we have many veterans had the same opportunities as I to make something of myself, yet we hear Vets are homeless, un-employed and many in dire straights I sympathize with them, but like I said, they had the same chances as I did. Why? And the poor are still with us. Why is that Liberals?





ModMark
I answered you post before.
I am aware DDT is no longer banned.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THE LIES BEING USED TO RESTORE THE BAN?
And kill millions more?
Pregnant women and children under 5 years old?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215084,00.html

Lies are the reason DDT was banned in the first place.
Propaganda for profit!
Freon was also banned due to lies.
The death toll is not as spectacular but people die for Corporate profit.

This is just another part of your Democrat Party.
AGW is the current Bunko Scam!

Mike R
When you have no facts...use sarcasm.
The motto of liberals...

ScarletPimpernel
Is this sort of what you mean?
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist

again, your wild-eyed opinion
Hagee is teaching from the Bible. He is a huge supporter of Israel and the Jews worldwide or are you against that too? He may be wrong about the countdown but why does that make him a financial rapist, you rabble rouser? Not all preachers are rip-off artists.

impertinent, Beastie Boy?
not pertinent or relevant; irrelevant.

I responded to your comments about calling W a fascist by saying you were dogmatic (arrogantly expressing opinion as fact without the facts) about calling Repubs fascists. here you are doing it again under Mussolini's definition.

And?

Medic645.
I have to go, but read my 1:15Pm post. Cheers.

Hagee
SP: "What is wrong with Hagee?"
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You mean, apart from the fact that he's raping and looting his ministry? The fact that the crazy bastardo wants to get us into a war so we can bring on Armageddon?

I've had enough dealings with malicious and avaricious pseudo-ministers to last me a lifetime.

well then Beastie Boy
I think you are unhinged. We are not living in a fascistic state as compared to Mussolini's or do you disagree? I don't call people traitors or fascists or Nazis unless they are. These are heavy terms to be throwing around. It is a non-sequitar to link W. as a fascist. Goldberg, who did research on this matter disagrees with you 180 degrees about which party leans more toward fascism.

btw- I agree about the GOP. I am an ex-member because I'm conservative. They and John McCain can love up on all the NYTers and Teddys they want. I'm sick of it.

MyOpine-SDog
SEVERAL of my aunts & uncles were APALLED when I showed them DNC Literature in favor of abortion, gay marriage, gun control, etc.

they are afraid
of the unknown. "People are capable of being as good as us without our help?" "Raising expectations works?" egads.

ModMark
There is no end to greed or the lies people will conjure up to support it!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301275,00.html

And now this!
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,267124 ,00.html

Icedog writes
"Show me a liberal who will actually listen to reason and facts...and I'll show you a new conservative.

Unless you get them to quit thinking with their hearts, and use the brain instead that will never happen.
Perhaps it's because they've never knew it existed.




Some impertinent assumptions, SP
SP: "Beastie Boy you are dogmatic in your opinion that Repubs and cons are fascistic."
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I use the term "fascism" as it was reputedly defined by Mussolini, informed by the work of Prof. Lawrence Britt: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm. Under that standard, the neo-cons currently in power are fascists, and I concur generally with Prof. Britt's assessment.

I am an old-school Republican from the Goldwater mold. The unitary executive, judicial activism, government secrecy, indiscriminate surveillance, monetization of public debt, unrestrained deficit spending, earmarks, pre-emptive warfare, and other sins of this SADministration are anathema to me. We used to be the party of human rights and individual responsibility; now, we're openly defending torture and blanket immunity for crimes committed by public officials. We used to be the Party of principled patriotism; today, we care more about whether public officials believe every word of the Bible or whether they wear a damned flag lapel pin than we do about whether they can be uphold and defend the Constitution.

I feel like Ronald Reagan, forty years ago: "I didn't leave the Party. The Party left me."

But yes, there are a few things I am dogmatic about. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

curious george
i heard the flap over the "curious george" controversy. can someone explain this to me????

Icedog
Many of the "Liberals" here do not even know the words "Liberal" and "Progressive" have been morphed to interchange or understand what they mean.

The American Socialist Party merged into the Democrat Party during the MacArthy hearings and gradually took charge.
Many of today's "Democrats" have no idea of the filth they are associated with.
ACLU, NAMBLA, CodePink, Amnesty International, Communists USA, Democratic Socialists of America and now even George Soros!
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/orgsfundeddirec tly%20.html

My whole family, 3 generations, Left the DNC because of the filth associated with it.
There are still Democrats who think it is still grandad's Party.
They will learn when they see things like THIS!
Http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=281

Icedog
I have turned a few from The Dark Side myself. NOT EASY here in The Blue State Hell of Maryland.

praise & new site
fantastic article David.

BTW guys I found some brilliant/awesome analysis on Obama’s Fundraising and other current happenings on the campaign. I haven’t seen anything like this mentioned anywhere in the MSM.
Check out the article “Follow the Money” on http://savagepolitics.com/?p=165, “Bush’s Twin and the G.O.P.” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=172 and “Barack Obama’s Apotasy” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=101


Check their “Political Analysis” and "Humor" sections for other striking perspectives and comedic analysis on both parties.

duh, I don't know Chaz
Why don't we ask Aaron McGruder? What a simp you are.

Some other poster claimed that Michelle Obama said "Those white farmers in Iowa don't even deserve their land" in front of a crowd. I was not dumb enough to believe that either so I questioned him on it. He couldn't prove it either because it was not true.

You sheep.

Charles writes:
Ice
Which of my facts are made up or disproven?

Until you can provide proof, all of them.

Charles
Your last so-called Rush quote has been proven false for many years.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh2.asp

MyOpine
Show me a liberal who will actually listen to reason and facts...and I'll show you a new conservative.

I have converted many ex-liberals over the years (I equate it with pulling someone out of a burning car) and I've found that if you can get them to set aside their emotions (the real challenge) and preconceptions it can actually be fairly easy.

SSGT
It look like Conservative PoserWobbie has a buddie, Chawie :)!

You're right, Lumberjack.
But at least I do try. If I can save just one of those poor benighted idiots on the left, then I will feel I have accomplished my purpose in life. But, then again, perhaps I should just go skiing or something.

Charles
You are absolutely hillarious. You post easily disproven made-up "facts" and quotes and then you follow it up with this comment: "Typical of neocons - they cannot have an honest debate."

Amazing.

MyOpine writes:
Charles
Democrats who come here to debate political issues are very rare treasures.
Most Democrats wanting civil debate rarely ever come here due to the animosity generated by pathetic Liberal perverts.
They come to this Heritage Foundation site expressly to insult Republicans.
Most members avoid them like dog poop on a sidewalk by paging past their infantile posts.
A few members amuse themselves by disturbing the pervert poop.
The stench usually produces some standard Liberal lies & innuendo to amuse us.

Then there are Hal Doofus and Rockhead J. Squirrel. No-one has yet figured what they are, or why they come here, other than to provide living proof that it is possible to be born with an IQ of 0, and lose IQ points daily thenceforward.

Charles
Democrats who come here to debate political issues are very rare treasures.
Most Democrats wanting civil debate rarely ever come here due to the animosity generated by pathetic Liberal perverts.
They come to this Heritage Foundation site expressly to insult Republicans.
Most members avoid them like dog poop on a sidewalk by paging past their infantile posts.
A few members amuse themselves by disturbing the pervert poop.
The stench usually produces some standard Liberal lies & innuendo to amuse us.


MotleyCrue writes:
In the meantime, do try to improve your reading and comprehension levels.

That would take either a complete re-education in reading or a miracle to accomplish.


liar idiot Charles
You don't even check first before you run your mouth. We don't need your kind of conservatism because you're as gullible, dumb, or slimey as a Clinton machine member.

Charles
Do you ever wonder what Conservatives think when they see some Communist freak like you come to a Conservative site just to insult Conservatives?
You seen very juvenile.
We know your leaders procure children for pedophiles.
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

I detest liars Charles
Disparaging others due to their hatred.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh2.asp

Sorry, MikeR. Perhaps I misunderstood.
I was only speaking for myself. Go right ahead.

hey, ModMark
I must have been wrong about you. Your apology was most gracious!

I do not go along with the 'since others are doing it, I will too' scenario either. I want students to learn to think for themselves, and not parrot back what a teacher thinks. I rear my own children that way as well.


Killer writes:
"To you Sir and other public school attendees.A monkey, is more than intelligent, than a human.Why?They have a better memory.They teach that at Harvard,where that 12year old will never ATTEND.Some people are an insult to HUMANITY!!!"
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By the above comments, I can only assume you, sir, were not fortunate enough to receive any sort of formal education, even one as scant as that dished out by the American public school system. Obviously, you have a comprehension problem, to say the least. Let me make it clear, sir. I did not attack simians, in general, nor did I cast aspersions on their intelligence or lack thereof. That a 12 year old child was reminded of Barack Hussein Obama by the size of Curious George's ears, strikes me as a poor excuse to deny her a chance at a Harvard education. Perhaps you would feel better were simians allowed to attend Harvard, although I doubt it will raise their IQ...if the current crop of graduates are anything to go by. In the meantime, do try to improve your reading and comprehension levels.


MotleyCrue
That was obvious. I could write more but since you declared the story over, I guess I can’t keep going.

Rowly
What on earth are you talking about? Of course Rush’s adversaries are looking for him to trip up. Rush himself holds a magnifying glass to his political targets. That’s the business he’s in. It may be frustrating for some, but not for me. I’m not a listener and I don’t oppose him saying anything he likes. I just don’t harbor any particular sympathy for Rush. I heard the story on the news and went to Rush’s site for confirmation, because I never take a news story like that on faith.

As for his influence, it’s never been that great. His show consists of preaching to the choir. I don’t think he’s even in the influence business; but if he is, he didn’t do much to McKean. Rush is in the radio business and he does quite well.

The libs aren’t getting everything they want. Their campaigns have failed on many issues. You say you know it’s frustrating to listen to someone with so much influence and be unable to lay a glove on him. Do you know from experience or is that empirical knowledge?

As for me, I’m fairly satisfied, but then it doesn’t take much.


GunnyG-MCrue-Ssgt-YLG-LJ7392-SP
Mississippi is rebuilt ALREADY, but New Orleans is lagging behind. It’s President Bush’s Fault.

80-85% of the population HAVE Health Insurance, 15-20% don’t. President Bush’s Fault!

President Bush outperformed BOTH of his Presidential Opponents scholastically, but HE is STUPID!

Conservatives are LOATHSOME people whom they HATE to be around, yet Libnuts come here EVERYDAY!

Another day of Liberal History – That is spelled L-I-E-S!

Charles
just go away, would you.

ModMark
This points to what I was trying to explain on that other thread.
When you blindly follow a Party without knowing the real reason you are protesting there is often terrible consequence for innocent people.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=EC923DF C-AA14-46AE-9E4B-0B7B75207FBC

The same greedy people are trying to regain their monopoly.
Just like the freon scam, the only thing wrong with DDT is the patents expired and anyone could produce it.

AGW is just another scam!
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority. Blogs&ContentRecord_id=b35c36a3-802a-23ad-46ec-6880767e7966

Slimey Charles, why are u afraid?
What is wrong with Hagee?

Slimey Charles, propagandist
Where did you get the Rush quote from? After you answer I'm going to prove that, like most Dem/libs, you're either a liar or just ignorant of facts.

Dottie
ModMark usually will be pretty normal, in a lefty sort of way. I don't know what his problem is today.

our "obsessive drive"
is not to encourage and PAY for other people's weaknesses. What is wrong with that?

When we say "no" you babies throw a fit and call us controlling.

denial pt 2
"And when you see him hold "My Pet Goat," you know that Bush has barely achieved literacy."

I take it that you agree that Gore and Kerry must be dumber than Bush since he bested both of them on grades?

MotleyCrue
To you Sir and other public school attendees.A monkey, is more than intelligent, than a human.Why?They have a better memory.They teach that at Harvard,where that 12year old will never ATTEND.Some people are an insult to HUMANITY!!!

dogmatism
"arrogant assertion of opinions as truths.

Arrogant, stubborn assertion of opinion or belief.

the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot."

Beastie Boy you are dogmatic in your opinion that Repubs and cons are fascistic.

Bleating Boob writes (more or lesss)
While I hold BJ in utter contempt, the Dems can't be painted with his unique foibles. And when you see him hold "My Pet Goat," you know that Bush has barely achieved literacy.

Then please explain why GWB had better grades at Yale than did "Lurch" Kerry, and earned an MBA from Harvard while "All Goof" Gore flunked out of every Graduate Program he enrolled in.

Touj reading comprehension is important
I already splained to you that we of faith are charged with covering the people who you claim we don't care about. Quit cropping facts to fit your emotional outbursts.

Touj
SS - actually the only ones who will make out like bandits are the dead and the old people now. I'll probably either break even or lose on the deal. The youngsters today will end up paying for about 32 people each. It is a huge burden.

MikeR . My point was that Rush
should not have apologized. End of story.

Bon jour, Touj
"Reproductive organs? What does that have to do with prostititution" hahahahahahaha

I said the do-gooders are getting in your way for health care. Who are the do-gooders? Usually Dem/libs who know best.

I just wanted you to admit that you wanted to marry a transexual, smoke pot, go to Cuba and read up on bomb making. Seek help, my friend.

Sheep Dog, Dottie and Wild West have a very good point. Why are there still poor people when you compassionate smart secular wealthy folks have all that money? lol. Try getting a bum onto Barbara Streisand's beach. hahaha. Hypocrite.

You still haven't answered as to why us poor church goers are STILL more generous than you secularists.

Liberals are "dogmatic?"
SP: "compulsiveness" = billy jeff clinton

"conformity" = billy jeff clinton (what do the polls say today?"

"dogmatism" = hillary, obama, clinton, gore, kerry all dem/libs

"pedantry"
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While I hold BJ in utter contempt, the Dems can't be painted with his unique foibles. And when you see him hold "My Pet Goat," you know that Bush has barely achieved literacy.

"Dogmatism?" Liberals tend to embrace change, while conservatives tend to fight it -- and this is a generalization from throughout the world. Who would have thunk of gay marriage when we were kids? They keep pushing the envelope, and you fight back, kicking and screaming. "Change" is a message which naturally resonates with them; the word "return" is more your speed.

And you are two sides of the same coin: both have an obsessive drive to control others.

ModMark
If you will recall, I asked you that question once before on an appropriate thread and never saw your answer.

Now that you have taken a shot at a Conservative teacher, does that mean that you are going after lilly now?

Considering the way you cuddly up to porno Sophie, fiction Wobbie and Hal the enemy collaborator, it would be novel to see you critique someone other than a Conservative.

Do you remember me telling you that there is no need to try to tell us who & what you are, that your posts would show is who & what you are?

a few other points
I am reading your judicial activism posts Beastie Boy, and I thank you for posting them. I will do some research.

Also, notice how touj has to try to get in the last word and then run off. As I suspected.....

Anyway, I hold by what I said, and that is most of the poor in this country are poor because of the choices they have made. It has nothing to do with God or anything other than unwillingness to do what it takes to make it.

Rational people realize I do not mean those UNABLE...just those unwilling.

Mike R
.....and who is holding the magnifying glass?RIGHT !!! Some sanctimonious liberals who have called George Bush every dirty name in the book. They just wait to pounce on Rush's every word."Maybe he will trip today,and we can get some talking points". It is frustrating,I know, to listen to someone with so much influence and you can't lay a glove on him. Why do you listen?
You libs are getting everything you want.You just are never satisfied.

It's ok SSGT
Thanks for the defense, but I suspect ModMark is more liberal than anything. I have learned a few things about liberals: they have a real hard time admitting that they might be wrong or need to apologize about anything.

Now if he does come in with an apology, I will probably need CPR, but I WILL admit I may have been wrong about him!

gee wiz, ModMark
Your post was totally uncalled for because you know nothing about me. Actually, I do not ever reveal my political beliefs as that is not what I am there for.

I co-teach American History with a reg ed teacher who is quite liberal, but I like him very much in spite of it. The only time I bring politics into the classroom is when he tries to paint the Democrats as the party that really cares about people, etc. Then I just throw out questions to get the kids thinking. I throw out the same kinds of questions when Conservative ideas come up. Getting kids to think for themselves is why I am there. Seeing them take stands and then defend them with sound, reasonable arguments is wonderful to behold even if I do not agree politically with the student. My juniors know that no matter what stand they take, they better be able to defend it well--if they do, their grade reflects that and only that. On the other hand, there is an English teacher at my school who admits that she is much harder on kids who give speeches and write papers that have a Conservative tilt. My own kids will never be in that class because I will not have their grades affected by her inability to grade fairly.

I think it is high time that kids tell their lib teachers to shut up and teach, as they seem to be the ones who try to indoctrinate students.

we are going to be just fine
sometimes the hyperbole gets extreme here.

whether we have mccain or obama or hillary as our next president, our form of government is strong enough to moderate any of their views.

i am talking not only about our form of government but the american people.

when clinton tried to go to far, boom, the democrats lost the house.

when bush tried to go to far, boom, the republicans lost both the house and senate.

the whining about how one person will ruin the United States of America is simply over the top.

have faith in our country and our political process my friends.

ModMark
I'll tell you that there are far more, say 10 to 1 liberals to conservative educators in our educational system. It may do your kids some good to here something conservative once in a while. And AGW is a scam. Here of the Coldest winter in North American History. But Mark, lets not let the facts dictate any views you may have there, Fence Walker!
NOW APOLOGIZE!!!

Judicial activism (2 of ?)
The Roberts Court has been actively pro-business, quashing meritorious claims by raising the bar that plaintiffs must clear to have them heard. The main weapon in this assault was Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly, No. 05-1126 (May 21, 2007) (available at
http://supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-1126.pdf), which arbitrarily eliminated a liberal pleading standard that has served and served well for fifty years. More about what happened can be found here (http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2007/06/how_cautionary_1.html)
-- no point in my rewriting it here.

Another appalling case was Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., 05-1074 (May 29, 2007) (available at http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-1074.pdf). Ledbetter was a female supervisor, who learned that she was being paid about half of what her male counterparts was. Despite the fact that she had no notice of what they were getting paid, she was supposed to have known, and couldn't sue because they started discriminating against her at a time when the statute of limitations had already run. Again, stare decisis looks more like stare deceased.

Basically, if you are an individual, you are screwed in the fascist Roberts Court -- if you can even get heard in the first place.

This is what you call judicial activism -- not just writing but rewriting the law on the bench to achieve your social goals.

MotleyCrue
I found the transcript of that conversation very interesting:

CALLER: Hey, listen, my 12-year-old daughter, her statement last week was who cares what the guy's middle name is, he looks like Curious George.

RUSH: Don't make me laugh. I can't laugh. ……

Why did he say that? If you don’t know who Curious George is, then you don’t understand the reference and it can’t be funny. Rush goes on to say:

RUSH: I never heard of Curious George until that caller. I don't care how old Curious George is. I never heard of Curious George. I had no idea what she was talking about. Now they tell me Curious George is a monkey. Well whoop-de-do, that's what you get coming in sick.

Then while he does offer an apology, he goes to some length to denigrate its integrity. It is quite possible that he didn’t know who Curious George is. But then why did he laugh? And if he didn’t know, why didn’t he ask? Stupid people can plead ignorance, not the intelligent ones. And his apology, for what it was worth, wasn’t much.

Rush’s business keeps him under a magnifying glass. He plays hard in a rough game. That’s his choice. I don’t have much sympathy for him in this case

ModMark
You could do with some learning.
Have you ever learned what causes and maintains our Ozosphere?
What catalyst changes molecules of O² to molecules of O³ ?
What catalyst causes O³ to shed an oxygen atom to revert back to O² ?

A "Moderate" like you who is interested in Ecology should learn this as a starting point just so they understand Leftest they words they parrot.

Republican judicial activism
Beasty Boy, can you please give examples of Republican judges being activists? I am just curious.
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Republican judges at the lower court level have been making it much harder for individuals harmed by the wrongful conduct of government officials to sue for relief under our civil rights laws. They have narrowed the concept of standing and at times, willfully disregard the law as it stands. Erickson v. Pardus is is a classic example, which even the Supreme Court found outrageous:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/06-7317.pdf

Erickson was a prisoner suffering from Hepatitis C. The prisoner refused treatment, despite what the Court describes (I'll take their word on it) as life-threatening consequences. He files suit pro se, asking to be allowed to resume treatment. The lower courts blew him off -- as they do with virtually every pro se in the District.

Courts are supposed to interpret pro se complaints more liberally than they do those submitted by attorneys, but the Tenth Circuit and District of Colorado has a long history of open discrimination against pro se litigants. Instead of reading his complaint liberally, they read it more harshly than they would an attorney's pleadings, as his allegations were eminently adequate (according to the Court). And yes, every judge in the pipeline was a Republican appointee.

This took place in a larger context, which I will endeavor to explain in a second post.

ModMark
your smoked aren't you?
That was not called for, even by your standards. NOW APOLOGIZE TO DOTTIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MyOpine
LMAO!!!
hello, by the way!

Lumberjack7392/MotleyCrue
Lumberjack, good day sir! Good to see all of you here today. Its been pretty lonely lately without yas.

Motley, take care of yourself, get that r&r, and come back swinging! Thats why I take the weekends off. I need the break also.

MotleyCrew
Hurry up!

Good Afternoon
Motley, SSGT, sheepdog ,and anyone else I may have missed.

Dottie etc
My point about milionaire cons was in reponse to a previous posts and all the posts I've read here saying that if republicans just didn't get taxed, they would take care of all the social ills in America. Fat chance.

But now that we've reached the level of the usual con position that people who are poor, disabled, neglected, or sick are in those straights because they deserve it - I've heard it all before, Dottie - ad nauseum. It's a way of avoiding any repsonsiblity, it always ends up with an argument that if they were decent people, they wouldn't be poor, old, indigent, cold,hungry, etc...god is punishing them for being bad people. All of those GI's comitting suicide (the highest rate in US history), cracking up, suffering from lethal depression because they can't get adequate mental health care obviously made bad choices also.

I've heard this all before, it's the conservative meme but it's been bouncing around your echo chamber for so long it's just tattered.

Not interested in boring discussions - I'm going to the art museum to see a collection of Roman antiquities, on loan from the Louvre. It's a tough choice - TH or History? mmmmm.

Bye.

touj
you continually moan about what conservs want to do. But all yoiu trolls on the left are always talking about doing away with the constitution. But since yiou can't get your way with the voters or congress doesn't give you what you want you alwayys rely on the libs in the courst to subvert the process. If your ideas were what americans wasnted they would either succeed at the ballot box or in congress. You dims held the majority in congress for 40 yuears and still didn't impliment your socialist nirvana. It is more likely that you and you socialist allies are out of touch with reality and what the american people want. You hero bubba has majorities in congress during his first two years and your agenda failed to pass

Greetings SSGT, Sheepdog, et al
I'm doing fine, thanks. Just a lot of R&R, and pretty soon I'll be back to normal.

gee wiz!
We will have to mind our ps and qs if Obama becomes president. Even the most innocent of statements will bring screams of racism from the left.

George Bush has been likened to a monkey and called Chimpy thoroughout his presidency.....why is it ok to say it about a white man, but not a black man? Why is it ok to make fun of Condoleeza's appearance and call her Aunt Jemima? Why is it ok to throw oreo cookies at Michael Steel? I really want some answers from the libs on this.

I guess we will just have to call Obama--Dumbo.....

questions for touj
How much have we spent on the "War on Poverty?" How close are we to "winning" it? How many people are poor because of the choices they make? Take note: I do not want excuses about starting out disadvantaged. There are far too many who started out disadvantaged, got an education and made something of themselves for that excuse to hold water.

If we did not have so many people wanting government (taxpayer-provided) handouts, we would not have to even have this discussion, yet you libs want us to pay ever more for the illegals in this country. It is time to hold people accountable for their life choices, and if they bring children into the equation--whose fault is that? I agree that children are blameless for their parents' poor choices, but how will we break the cycle if we keep letting those people use their children as pawns?

Touj
Gee, how is that in view of all the conservatives making at least a million a year we still have people without medical care, food, decent housing? Even vets can't get it - (they;re part of that "big, healthy, fat" group that you're so scornful of, a big part).

WTF has this got to with anything. So what if there are conservative millionaries ....
There are alot of D@mn liberal millionaires to and I don't see them giving up any of their money ...you know when you post Sh!t like this you make stupid look really good.

Hey MotleyCrue
how have you been?
I sure hope Curious George does not get to offened being compare to Obambi.

Obama looks like Curious George,
according to a twelve year old girl whose mother called the Rush Limbaugh show yesterday. Rush, who'd never heard of Curious George, immediately apologized to Obama and his own listeners upon learning that George was a monkey, apparently in the belief that the child's innocent remark was racially motivated. Had Rush investigated further, as I did, he would have realized that the remark wasn't at all racial. My 11 year old niece, when asked by her mother, cleared up the mystery. It's his ears, she said. They stick out, just like Curious George's.

So David L. Tell your brother not to apologize for supposed insults. That's the job of the PC left. Rush should know better.

and
Please don't give me all that garbage about how religious republicans would manage all the social needs in America if they could just get their money back. You will get more social security in your lifetime than you ever put in.

Gee, how is that in view of all the conservatives making at least a million a year we still have people without medical care, food, decent housing? Even vets can't get it - (they;re part of that "big, healthy, fat" group that you're so scornful of, a big part).



Scarlet Pimpernel
Lets face it, the best you could do was rationalize away all the interference from federal government that cons support, while saying they don't want interference.

Reproductive organs? What does that have to do with prostititution, and, you may not have noticed but I don't think it's a federal crime...wish it were, do you? You probably also wish that having a hysterectomy or a D & C were a federal crime for any woman who'se 28 day egg drop has been fertilized.

Who I can marry? The feds say it must be someone of the opposite sex - how would you feel about federal medical exams to prove it? Another instance where you just love federal interference.

Try getting a ticket to Cuba.

In unspeakable pain from terminal cancer? Try getting some pot. Try getting all the morphine you want. Try getting a morning after pill following a rape if the druggist thinks you're a sl-t - he has legal permission to refuse you. Try assisting a loved one to die when they are pleading for release from agony that will never end.

Try checking out a book on bomb-making, or Radical Islam, and hope your name doesn't end up on a government list, because your library has to turn over all their records.

You guys love Federal control - why don't you admit it, and drop the hypocracy? What you want is federal control for the things you don't like and freedom to unbuckle your seat belts.



Can you please give specifics
Beasty Boy, can you please give examples of Republican judges being activists? I am just curious.

stupid lilly
still looking for redemption for you youth in the south. Your age tells us you you were probably very active in the subjugation of blacks. That you tell you know so much concerning racism alerts all how you grew up. But your new devotion to oblahma suggests something more akin to mandingo.

to Doc and SSGT
Thank you for your kind words! I do love this country and I have been proud of it for as long as I can remember!

I am a rare breed--a Conservative Educator, so I have to put on my armor and fight a frequent battle with the forces of liberalism!

Don't worry, Doc, there will be no kool-aid drinking here!

Bboy, your opinion and welcome to it
Right. I'm saying that Dem/libs don't trust the will of the people NOR individual choices which are often the same. They love groups.

ModMark
good afternoon. The Fair Tax would actually work quite well because it is based on spending instead of earning. Anyway, the problem is that the porkers would still think of creative ways to start new fees etc.

A big problem is that the Fed gives money to the states on condition that the states do a one-size fits all plan like the Feds told 'em to. This is a vicious cycle.

The BoR is a legislation-free zone
SP: "This is a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic. If you don't like our laws which are derived from the people (except when Dem/libs override the will of the people via one lone judge or two) you should try moral persuasion."
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The will of the people was, first and foremost, that individual rights should be protected, and that the will of the majority be strictly limited. Ever read the transcript of the session wherein James Madison submitted his first draft of the Bill of Rights?

Republican judges are by far the most activist these days.



BBoy, please
"compulsiveness" = billy jeff clinton

"conformity" = billy jeff clinton (what do the polls say today?"

"dogmatism" = hillary, obama, clinton, gore, kerry all dem/libs

"pedantry" - not many pols have the ability to do this if they wanted to;)

As we can see though, like I said, these traits are on both sides. I'm being generous here.

and the article is from "The Corsini Encyclopedia of Psychology and Behavioral Science" V1 A-D pg. 161



hilarious
"Then, we want all the Federal government that is possible (because your church, which can probably barely pay it's heating bill, is going to take care of all the people who cannot care for themselves)."

I love it when secularists tell us all about faith organizations.

Members of faiths are charged with caring for others especially and usually solely, widows, orphans, cripples and the blind etc.

1. We are not required to "keep" perfectly healthy folks in a fat and happy state. Your method has produced generations of federally dependent poor. Sort of like a big sheep pen.

2. Despite the fact that we send a bunch of our money to Uncle Sam, faith people are STILL more charitable than humanists. Think what we could do if we could get some of that money back.

Look it up. See who first wanted to take care of the poor. You won't find any atheists. Oh, one big secularist, Margaret Sanger, had ideas on how to help the poor:
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

killer writes:
Thanks Touj
A nail in the COFFIN.Half of the PEOPLE,who live in America today were born after 1964!!!The "OLD" have met their MATCH.THE YOUNG...

Hmmm, If you put all the old into the gulags, who in he!l will work and pay the taxes to support the lowlifes?
Personally, I think experience will win out every single time.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.


What halo?
Anyway, having to CrazyGlue it on is only proof of its inauthenticity. LOL.

I may just have to look into voting for over-40 US-born Country or Gospel artists (temptation to write-in my favourite, BC-born, entertainer notwithstanding), given the current crop of candidates.

silly
"Unless, of course, we want the federal government to tell us what we can or can't do..."
This is a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic. If you don't like our laws which are derived from the people (except when Dem/libs override the will of the people via one lone judge or two) you should try moral persuasion.

"...with our reproductive organs" You are for prostitution I take it? You are probable a feminist so this is confounding. No one cares what you do with your organs.

"...who we can marry,..." You may marry any eligible person of the opposite sex you want. Do you want to marry your sister or your sister's husband?

"...how we can die..." suicide is considered homicide. Should we change the law?

"...where we can travel..." I have no comment on this.

"...how we can treat our illnesses..." This one you'll have to take up with do-gooders like yourself. They are the ones who want govt in our bizshizzness.

"...and what we can read without scrutiny..." I think you made this up. What can't you read besides classified docs that Sandy Berger has in his underwear and Hillary keeps safely hidden behind her desk?


Dottie writes:
I would not behave like a big lib crybaby (ala Alec Baldwin) and threaten to leave the country. I plan on staying and being the biggest pain in the butt I can possibly be.

I am with you, but no drinking the Kool-Aid to git-er-done! LOL

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Thanks Touj
A nail in the COFFIN.Half of the PEOPLE,who live in America today were born after 1964!!!The "OLD" have met their MATCH.THE YOUNG...

Dottie
writes:
"I would not behave like a big lib crybaby (ala Alec Baldwin) and threaten to leave the country. I plan on staying and being the biggest pain in the butt I can possibly be."

I always get a warm and fuzzy when I read something a true american writes.

Thank you. You are true!

Authority-dependence?
SP: "What Beastie Boy Left Out"
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Be honest, SP: It wasn't in the article. Still, I think you distilled the essential difference between Republicans and Democrats:

SP: "so, basically, the researchers discovered not what they set out to discover but rather a complex personality that had little tolerance for ambiguity."
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Traditional Republicans have a low tolerance for ambiguity, whereas Democrats thrive on it. If you had lived during the Revolution, you would have insisted on appointing a king.

Libertarians fear authority, because we know the kind of people who usually wield it.

Doc
Okay, thats fine. I call my .45 "Old Yellor". Thats how most people feel when they see it. And yes, its been called to active duty a couple of times. Luckily, better heads prevailed, thank God. It travels pretty well too! haha

Exactly right...
Please forward this to John McCain.

Obama is not principled
I am not buying that argument. Obama is spineless! He is not voting present to avoid wasting taxpayer money, he is voting present to avoid taking a position.

I am an Illinoisian. I did not like Obama when he was a state senator here, and I like him even less as a U.S. Senator, and I am betting I would like him EVEN less if he became President of the United States.

I would not behave like a big lib crybaby (ala Alec Baldwin) and threaten to leave the country. I plan on staying and being the biggest pain in the butt I can possibly be.

Touj. writes:
Doc and Bman
Congratulations! You have each found someone to play with who's on your own intellectual level!

Thank you VERY MUCH! I consider Bman very intelligent as well as funny! I never thought of my self as all that smart, but who am I to argue with you? My pops always told me, there are two kinds of people in this world you should not argue with, a drunk and the terminally stupid! That pops, seems he is always right on spot!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

I just told you BB
I was in Carolina in '99 when Floyd put most of it under water. Look it up. This was when a Dem/lib was President. We didn't think to blame him for a natural disaster at the time. Where was FEMA then? Where were the complaints? Why didn't he and Al Gore fix it?

My point is that those people and agencies closest to the situation should do their jobs to the best of their abilities first, and then the Feds can come in afterwards. That's how it should work. The Dem/lib run state of LA failed miserably because it has been run by Dem/libs for a hundred and fifty years and STILL Dem/libs have the nerve to blame others for their ineptness and corruption. Amazing.

Touj. scribbles:
Maybe you are just too stupid to realize it.

OMG if that’s true, think of where that puts you down the food chain!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Think about it, dot
Dottie: "As for Obama's backbone, yes, he has been tested. Voting present instead of taking a stand on controversial topics is a sign of a jellyfish!"
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No, it's a sign of internal practice. In the U.S. Senate, a Senator would and should cast a vote that declares kittens cute if it contains a poison pill (a bridge to nowhere?) that kills the deal. Of course, by casting that vote, he opens the door for his opponent to say that he doesn't think kittens are cute.

In Illinois, they allow Senators to vote "present" to avoid such nonsense.

SSGT writes:
(Joaquina*) your machete? Could you give my K-Bar a name as well? haha
I just call it my little buddy!

Hey Pal, just do not use Ma Bell. That's in use by my 7.62. You know, the old Ma bell commercial of "Reach out and touch someone" LOL

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.


ALL
You can read the headlines tomorrow!

OHIOANS FALL ON THEIR STUBBS

Its already starting. There is a problem with voters ripping off stubbs on the ballots that are not suppose to be ripped off. Its gonna be another nightmare in Ohio.
sheeeesh!

What Beastie Boy Left Out
Authoritarian Personality. A UC Berkeley study sponsored by the Jewish Welfare Board to see if there were personality factors in Anti-Semetic attitudes. The results, or lack thereof, forced the researchers to broaden their search to ethnocentric personality and then to fascist personalities. It was also termed the "F" scale and the "E" scale but was officially labeled the "anti-democratic" personality. When it was finally published it was labled the "Authoritarian Personality". As research has progressed it became known as the "authority-dependent personality".

The seven characteristics in this pattern are: rigidity, compulsiveness, conformity, dogmatism, concreteness, literalness, and pedantry.

The researchers found that the traits that correlated to ADP in California did not correlate in Texas.

so, basically, the researchers discovered not what they set out to discover but rather a complex personality that had little tolerance for ambiguity.

As we can see, most of our presidents have a few of these traits but not all of them. Just like the rest of us.

FEMA redux
SP: "or if thinking that it is the responsibility of the Federal government agencies to do the work of the self, the local, and the state agencies, one is in denial."
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If the federal government has an agency that doesn't do what it is intended to do, then we shouldn't have that agency.

FEMA was created for a purpose; it failed miserably in that purpose in NO. By stark contrast, it seemed to function relatively well when its job was to help Brother Bush in Florida.

That is the standard by which FEMA is judged: What it did in the past. That defines its expected role.

Doc and Bman
Congratulations! You have each found someone to play with who's on your own intellectual level!

Doc
"Sorry, I never learned how to speak stupid myself, sorry"

Maybe you are just too stupid to realize it.

Doc/BmanIII
your classic Doc! LOL
I learned how to speak stupid because I am around it all the time. Ya learn to pick up on things. Translated, (stupid)= Libsquirt.
BmanIII hope all is well, hombre!

Just saying....
I'm just saying that Lincoln and Bush have more in common than Obama and Lincoln, and I proved my point. Yes, the comparisons have nothing much to do with actual leadership.

It seems that the sainted Lincoln should not be compared with any modern-day politician because he or she will always come up wanting. As some were offended by me comparing Bush to Lincoln, I feel the same offense when Obama is compared to such a great man.

As for Obama's backbone, yes, he has been tested. Voting present instead of taking a stand on controversial topics is a sign of a jellyfish!

calm.Touj writes:
I really appreciate your thoughtful and fact-based quotes, and always read them.
I know there are alot of TH regulars who don't understand most of them

Sorry, I never learned how to speak stupid myself, sorry.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.

Scarlet Pimpernel
"or if thinking that it is the responsibility of the Federal government agencies to do the work of the self, the local, and the state agencies, one is in denial."

Unless, of course, we want the federal government to tell us what we can or can't do with our reproductive organs, who we can marry, how we can die, where we can travel, how we can treat our illnesses, and what we can read without scrutiny.

Then, we want all the Federal government that is possible (because your church, which can probably barely pay it's heating bill, is going to take care of all the people who cannot care for themselves).




Forget Ronald Reagan?
SP: "Which Presidents are NOT authoritarians?"
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Ronald Reagan comes immediately to mind. He was a consummate manager, with an aggressive style of delegation. He was a big picture guy, who left the details to his staff. It got him into trouble more than once (e.g., Iran-Contra), but as with Truman, the buck usually stopped with him.

Reagan respected the office and the Constitution. Bush has no respect for either.

YLG
(Joaquina*) your machete? Could you give my K-Bar a name as well? haha
I just call it my little buddy!

Dottie
GW is nothing like Lincoln. Your comparison is as tenuous as the one between Lincoln and Obama. The mid 19th century press was openly partisan. While some press was very hard on Lincoln, some gave him great support. Our current war and political situation is very different form the one Lincoln faced. More importantly, Lincoln worked himself to death while in office. He never took a break and he slept very little. His mind was tormented by the death of both union and confederate soldiers.

another pyschological term
Denial: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects thoughts, feelings, needs, wishes, or external realities that they would not be able to deal with if they got into the conscious mind.

For example, if someone believes that the Federal government is the most effective agent to rule their lives they are in denial.

or if thinking that it is the responsibility of the Federal government agencies to do the work of the self, the local, and the state agencies, one is in denial.

So you see we have a couple of prime examples of this pyschological defense mechanism.

Bush contra Lincoln
Dottie: "There are more comparisons between Bush and Lincoln, and I stand by that. He was treated harshly by the press--much like Bush. He waged war on the South while many wrung their hands and fretted, but he did not let public opinion sway him from doing what was needed--much like Bush. He was considered a bumpkin without intellect by many of the time--much like Bush. He was dubbed the original gorilla by a writer of the time--Chimpy ring any bells? There you have it. What does Obama have? Comparisons in inexperience in national politics, and that is it. The big difference is that Abe had a backbone, and Obama doesn't. You might notice that Abe didn't talk the South to death."
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Bush has been treated with kid gloves by the corporate media -- especially, by his obsequious cheerleading section at FAUX "News" -- when you consider his many transgressions. Lincoln had a war foisted upon him; Bush went half-way around the world in search of one. Lincoln's words are a fount of self-evident wisdom; Bush's are a repository of embarrassment. Lincoln was a capable lawyer and self-made man; Bush was a lousy businessman who got where he is on his father's coattails. Lincoln looked a bit like a gorilla, Bush acts (and sometimes, talks) like a freakin' chimp.

I don't know what kind of backbone Obama has, as he hasn't been tested. As for Bush, he has all the integrity of HRC -- which is not saying much.

Which Presidents
are NOT authoritarians?

Primus54
Understood....

Will do my best. Hope you have a good afternoon!

;-)

Declaratin of Independence - 2008
2008 is a banner year in American Politics - it is the year of a new declaration of independence......
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/03/04/declaration-of-indepe ndence-2008/

that should have had a warning Primus
I guess it is hard to live up to the sheer comedic genius of the giants of stand-up comedy, Al Gore and John Kerry.

Now that was funny, I don't care who you are!

GunnyG, SSGT, Primus54, YLG, Lolo
Vic, and the others.

There has been an update to Smellrose Place this morning.

UFO sightings and everything.



http://thornton.blogtownhall.com


Got a busy day so I won't be around much

FEMA
SSGT: "They come in and help after disasters hit areas. They also plan and evaluate for future disasters. Notice that all of this is "after" the fact?"
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They're supposed to organize and coordinate relief -- in a word, manage -- the response to a disaster. Their management of the relief effort in NO was, in and of itself, a complete disaster.

Ever read the Stafford Act?

YLG
Thanks! And please don't think I'm fickle - just going where the probabilities of availability are highest!

Cheers!

Lincoln was reviled by the press
There are more comparisons between Bush and Lincoln, and I stand by that. He was treated harshly by the press--much like Bush. He waged war on the South while many wrung their hands and fretted, but he did not let public opinion sway him from doing what was needed--much like Bush. He was considered a bumpkin without intellect by many of the time--much like Bush. He was dubbed the original gorilla by a writer of the time--Chimpy ring any bells? There you have it. What does Obama have? Comparisons in inexperience in national politics, and that is it. The big difference is that Abe had a backbone, and Obama doesn't. You might notice that Abe didn't talk the South to death.

Senator Obama on Immigration
If Senator Obama becomes the next President he has no plan to secure America's borders and keep us safe from murderers, rapists and thieves? He does not want to build a fence. Illegal immigration is expensive!

The Heritage Foundation in 2007 found that low-wage immigrant families in the United States caused a net fiscal deficit of $89.1 billion in 2004. Harvard economist Dr. George Borjas calculated that legal and illegal immigrants suppress wages by $200 billion annually.

Los Angeles County, CA Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich reported in October 2007: "Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact”. Public Safety cost $220 million, Health Care, $400 million, Welfare, $440 million. Los Angeles County pays more than $1 billion annually for immigrants.

Taxpayers provide illegal and legal immigrants Social Security benefits, education, housing, welfare, child care and medical care. Instead of encouraging them to learn English and assimilate, their youngsters are taught in their native language.

“The non-assimilation problem is made worse by the divisive activities of radical Hispanic groups (La Raza, MEChA, LULAC, ADL, SPLC, et al.) financed by the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, and other wealthy foundations.”

These organizations view the immigrants as oppressed victims and change is needed. One change, supported by illegal aliens, includes the reclaiming of the American southwest for Mexico.
http://www.minutemanproject.com/newsmanager/templates/mmp.a sp?articleid=302&zoneid=

Illegal immigrants annually costs to American taxpayers is $200 Billion in revenue lost by suppressed wages, $20 Billion for WIC, food stamps, medicaid, welfare and free, full course lunches.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

In addition to the above costs $231 billion is spent for teaching English, Anchor Babies, Incarceration and Social Services.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html


SSGT
I just saw that. And you are LUCKY Joaquina* and I didn't get involved. Incurring the wrath of Lolo!!!

FOR SHAME!!!!

Joaquina* is NOT amused....


(*- my new machete)

Primus54
You have no shame....

First me, now str8t??? How fickle can you get?

Don't worry, I'll make sure to tell her what a great guy you are!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!

calm. Touj responds:
"That's what makes it so pathetic."

Spoken like a true, elitist, snob liberal...

Thanks for reinforcing the stereotype, Touj. You do perform a valuable service after all.

Bush: Barely human
Dottie: "As for the person who made the unfavorable comparison between Obama and Bush (the family man comment), that was some kind of cheap shot that should be beneath civilized people. I have issues with Bush, but the left's painting him as something less than human has been ridiculous."
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Bush might be human, but only just. He doesn't have a shred of the compassion which makes us "human" -- and I fault his upbringing. His parents screwed him up so royally (especially, with regard to the death of his sister Robin) that he was destined to be a walking disaster area.

"He was aggressively anti-intellectual and hostile to east-coast preppy types like his father, sometimes cruelly so. On one occasion he walked up to a matronly woman at a smart cocktail party and asked, 'So, what's sex like after 50, anyway?' ...

The outcome of this childhood was what psychologists call an authoritarian personality. Authoritarianism was identified shortly after the second world war as part of research to discover the causes of fascism. As the name suggests, authoritarians impose the strictest possible discipline on themselves and others - the sort of regime found in today's White House, where prayers precede daily business, appointments are scheduled in five-minute blocks, women's skirts must be below the knee and Bush rises at 5.45am, invariably fitting in a 21-minute, three-mile jog before lunch....

Most fundamentalist Christians have authoritarian personalities..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/02/lifeandhealt h.usa

YLG
Good morning.

Got a busy afternoon ahead, so I'm counting on you to say good things about me to str8t if you see her today, okay?

Cheers!

YLG
Actually, it was more like saving the pup from my major gaff earlier. She did have a great point. haha
Besides, if he could bring a smile to her while she is healing, I would have him in the air tomorrow.

Texas and Ohio--Today!
Since McShame has the GOP nom locked up, you REAL conservatives in Texas and Ohio can "take one for the team" today.

Do us a favor. Go vote in the primary today.
As much as WE ALL despise the Klintoons, grab yourself a Dhimmicrat ballot and vote for the Shrillary hag.

Let's drive a stake in Lord "HAC" Vader today, then we'll worry about the Hag between now and Nov.....we have plenty o' Ammo!

Beastie
It was the initial responsibility of Ray "Chocolate City" Nagin and Governor Blanco to see that the appropriate action were taken to make sure those in harms way could be evacuated. They failed to do so and took no responsibililty for their non-action.

Beastie Boy
Now your back to normal, and its good to see. And I'm glad you asked what FEMA was:
Federal Emergency Management Agency

They come in and help after disasters hit areas. They also plan and evaluate for future disasters. Notice that all of this is "after" the fact?
Thanks for playing, and have a nice day.

SSGT
I had a dental appt yesterday, which took FOREVER, because he had an emergency come in.

Lolo would never steal your pup...she would have to go through me first. I don't take kindly to that.

And why the h3ll would you do that to your pup?? BOZO?? Crickey....

W and Washington also
have much in common. Read "1776" by McCullough. Stay off wikipedia and Newsweek mag site for your info.

Bush & Beastie Boy
GWB has been a disappointment in many ways for me, but to those who continue to paint him as stupid, all I can say is: yeah, stupid enough to beat the Dem candidates... twice.

And his sense of humor?

I guess it is hard to live up to the sheer comedic genius of the giants of stand-up comedy, Al Gore and John Kerry.