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Friday, November 28, 2008
Charles Krauthammer :: Townhall.com Columnist
The New Political Economy
by Charles Krauthammer
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WASHINGTON -- In the old days -- from the Venetian Republic to, oh, the Bear Stearns rescue -- if you wanted to get rich, you did it the Warren Buffett way: You learned to read balance sheets. Today you learn to read political tea leaves. You don't anticipate Intel's third-quarter earnings; instead, you guess what side of the bed Henry Paulson will wake up on tomorrow.

Today's extreme stock market volatility is not just a symptom of fear -- fear cannot account for days of wild market swings upward -- but a reaction to meta-economic events: political decisions that have vast economic effects.

As economist Irwin Stelzer argues, we have gone from a market economy to a political economy. Consider seven days in November. On Tuesday, Nov. 18, Paulson broadly implies he's only using half the $700 billion bailout money. Having already spent most of his $350 billion, he's going to leave the rest to his successor. The message received on Wall Street -- I'm done, I'm gone.

Facing the prospect of two months of political limbo, the market craters. Led by the banks (whose balance sheets did not change between Tuesday and Wednesday), the market sees the largest two-day drop in the S&P since 1933, not a very good year.

The next day (Friday) at 3 p.m., word leaks of Timothy Geithner's impending nomination as Treasury secretary. The mere suggestion of continuity -- and continued authoritative intervention during the interregnum by the guy who'd been working hand in glove with Paulson all along -- sends the Dow up 500 points in one hour.

Monday sees another 400-point increase, the biggest two-day (percentage) rise since 1987. Why? Three political events: Paulson's weekend Citigroup bailout; the official rollout of Obama's economic team, Geithner and Larry Summers; and Paulson quietly walking back from his earlier de facto resignation by indicating he would be ready to use the remaining $350 billion (with Team Obama input) over the next two months.

That undid the market swoon -- and dramatically demonstrated how politically driven the economy has become.

We may one day go back to a market economy. Meanwhile, we need to face the two most important implications of our newly politicized economy: the vastly increased importance of lobbying and the massive market inefficiencies that political directives will introduce.

Lobbying used to be about advantages at the margin -- a regulatory break here, a subsidy there. Now lobbying is about life and death. Your lending institution or industry gets a bailout -- or it dies.

You used to go to New York for capital. Now Wall Street, broke, is coming to Washington. With unimaginably large sums of money being given out by Washington, the Obama administration, through no fault of its own, will be subject to the most intense, most frenzied lobbying in American history.

That will introduce one kind of economic distortion. The other kind will come from the political directives issued by newly empowered politicians.

First, bank presidents are gravely warned by one senator after another about "hoarding" their bailout money. But hoarding is another word for recapitalizing to shore up your balance sheet to ensure solvency. Is that not the fiduciary responsibility of bank directors? And isn't pushing money out the window with too little capital precisely the lending laxity that produced this crisis in the first place? Never mind. The banks will knuckle under to the commissars of Capitol Hill. They control the purse. Prudence will yield to politics.

Even more egregious will be the directives to a nationalized Detroit. Sen. Charles Schumer, the noted automotive engineer, declared "unacceptable" last week "a business model based on gas." Instead, "We need a business model based on cars of the future, and we already know what that future is: the plug-in hybrid electric car."

The Chevy Volt, for example? It has huge remaining technological hurdles, gets 40 miles on a charge and will sell for about $40,000, necessitating a $7,500 outright government subsidy. Who but the rich and politically correct will choose that over a $12,000 gas-powered Hyundai? The new Detroit churning out Schumer-mobiles will make the steel mills of the Soviet Union look the model of efficiency.

The ruling Democrats have a choice: Rescue this economy to return it to market control. Or use this crisis to seize the commanding heights of the economy for the greater social good. Note: The latter has already been tried. The results are filed under "History, ash heap of."

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Barry Hussein Obama Sotero??
Gerard....you asked Who is
Barry Dunham? Did a guy named Obama not father this man, or are you making him white? Does he have to be your version of himself to be President? Is Barack Obama now, but Dunham when he is sworn in? I don't get it?

Barry's name was changed when he was adopted by his mother's husband, a muslim, when he moved to Indonesia making his name BARRY SOTERO. There are no official records indicating his name was ever changed to Barack Obama other than his desire to do so when he came to the U.S.
The MSM that has been in love with him has not chosen to investigate these details.

Incidentally, his atheist mother never married his "father"

Wake up Gerard
Liberal democrats created this Economic disaster by mandating Fannie and Freddie have 50% of their holdings in sub-prime mortgages.
With the complicity of their CEO's, who were paying protection money to the Leading Democrats in Congress; Nancy, Harry, Chris, and Barney they crashed not only our economy but the worlds. They blamed it on Bush economy policy and we got the Biggest Socialist around who wants to spread the wealth. Who also wants to put the ban back on drilling so oil prices will go up again (probable by March).
Where is the call to throw them out of office?
If you want to blame someone other then the Democrats who created it look to the main stream media. Have you heard them call for investigations, prosecutions, or for the Democrats imvolved to be thrown out of office?
If you have let me know!


revolution
Brian in Scottsdale: Where do we go to sign up?? I think it is coming. People are sick and tired of being told what they can and cannot do, and having their hard earned money taken from them. Schumer-mobile??? Where did he get his degree in automobile engineering? Pious dictator if there ever was one. Hadenuf!

Ken
wake up. There's blame to go ALL around.

Rose from CA

I agree. A.C.O.R.N. advacacy of handing out credit to people who were unable to pay them back is the reason for this eoconomic mess.

I am just glad conservatives hands are clean. They had nothing to do with this.

Who is
Barry Dunham? Did a guy named Obama not father this man, or are you making him white? Does he have to be your version of himself to be President? Is Barack Obama now, but Dunham when he is sworn in? I don't get it?

LC
Fannie and Freddy LOST market share in the sub-prime era. Why is that? Who gained market share in that market. Maybe you should check that out.

LC
aha

The Volt
Can't we do anything to bring down the price of that new energy-efficient car?!

Gerard
I already told you. I am not going to do your work for you. If you're that interested the information is available.


LC
As I suspected, you have nothing.

To LC
You shouldn't prejudge. Yes, I voted for Obama, but I voted strictly Republican all the way down the line for every state-held office. BTW, can you tell me what, specifically, Dodd or Frank did that stopped a firmly held Republican majority from taking action? Try to use facts this time.

baseballdoc
".....When the economy is good ...Republicans benefit at the polls ...when the economy turns sour ...Democrats benefit ..."

Not so with Jimmy Carter and it won't be so with Obama.

Corps do not pay taxes --2 !
Continued from above ...

Not only this, but the amount PEOPLE pay as a result of an increase in business taxes can be greater than the amount of tax the business actually collects for the benefit of the government.

For example, suppose a business sells a product with a perfectly elastic demand schedule, that is, they sell a product, like tin, say, that is identical to tin sold by any other business selling tin, and so they, and all other tin sellers are price takers. As a result, if the government were to impose a higher tax rate an company A than on companies B, C, D, ...etc., Company A would be unable to raise the price to collect the tax and maintain its profit level.

The result would be that the value of shares in business A would quickly fall to reflect its permanent reduction in profitability relative to all the other businesses in the tin industry. In addition, the values of shares in the other tin businesses would go up slightly as they are now relatively better investments than business A because they do not pay the tax. Therefore, the losses incurred by the investors in business A (and almost certainly by some of the employees in business A who loss their jobs or agree to take pay cuts) pay not only for the additional tax collected by the government, but also for gains realized by the investors in other companies in the tin industry who do not pay the tax. Thus, the total amount "paid" through their losses by some people includes not only the tax business A must collect and pay to the government, but also the amounts "gained" by all of the investors in the other tin companies that do not pay the tax.

The amount "paid" by the losing PEOPLE as a result of the tax will actually exceed the amount the government will collect because there are also secondary effects and transfers to other people through the adjustment of market prices and values.

Corps do not pay taxes!
RE: pdqRob, Location: CA

Reply # 97
Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 10:39 PM EST
Subject: VICKI

"You might consider the economic concept of 'price elasticity of demand.' It is not true that businesses never pay taxes. If demand for a particular product is elastic, i.e. people will buy less--or none--of the product if the price rises, then the business will have to suck up at least part of the tax."

Although you make a valid point that an increase in the corporate tax, generally, cannot be completely passed on to the consumers of the businesses' products, you follow that correct observation with an incorrect one.

You then state that "then the business will have to suck up at least part of the tax." This is false, because the business NEVER pays any tax, it only collects it directly or indirectly from PEOPLE, and then distributes it to the government.

If the entire tax cannot by collected from consumers by raising prices because of the price elasticity of demand without significantly reducing the demand, the part of the tax that cannot be collected from consumers must come from either employees of the business or investors in the business.

Employees will pay for it through layoffs and/or even reductions in compensation levels, or, more often, from investors in the form of a decline of return on their investment and declines in the value of the business's market value, or, of course, some combination of these people.

In whatever way the payment of the tax actually becomes allocated among various people, it is only PEOPLE--as consumers, workers, or investors--who pay the entire tax. Although a business may be treated as a separate entity for tax purposes, file tax returns, and "pay" taxes, the business itself, NEVER does or can pay ANY of the tax. The actual burden of the tax will ALWAYS fall on some living, breathing, persons somewhere who are made less well off as a result of the tax on the business.

(cont.)


Gerard NJ
Before anyone starts explaining to you what Franks, Dodd, Schumer, and other Dem. idiots too numerous to mention,did to create this mess let ME give you a newsflash. Barry Dunham is our President Elect.Get over your bush hatred. He leaves in January.

Bush did not lie for 8 years, nor is he alone responsible for our so called "economic collapse".It happened on his watch. but the dems. have controlled the House AND Senate for over two years.

If you REALLY want to know what Franks and Dodd did. Find out for yourself.

You are an example of why N.J. has such terrible governance. You just keep reelecting the same old stupid democrats. Your taxes go up, your schools get worse, ad infinitum.Oh hey...,that Corzine, a real winner!

Up yours, King George . . .
From my 3 year old niece, straight to your big A--. For indebting her and her entire generation for political cronyism. You are not fit to tie the shoes of her little feet. Pass go and enjoy hell.

no suspense there.
Pretty sure the illuminati will rescue the economy to return it to market control. They aren't willing to postpone solvency for the greater good.

Dip Wads!!!!!!!
I posted yesterday morn. and have read a few of the subsequent posts, whew! Economy is the fault of Bush. Not Frank, Waters, Dodd, Schumer, Carter, Clinton, give me a break, democrats in general are to blame. A post mentioned ACORN and it's complicity, how true. All the aforementioned culprits require "political correctness" to survive, without it their schemes collapse. Imagine the threat of being called a racist if you don't grant mortgages to buyers who can't afford to pay. ACORN shakes down banks, mortgage companies, any viable enterprise that will simply pay ACORN off to get them off their back. Seems obvious to me when billions upon billions of bundled bad mortgage securities are floated all over the world being package as secure AAA investments that something had to give. Yea, every ones investments gave, not to mention the world economy, of course it had to be Bush's fault.

Remember, a nation has never been taxed into prosperity.

Regulation -- DavidMac
In my experience, many areas in government have gotten less regulated over the past 30 years (as opposed to more regulations). In fact, the airlines, banking and telecommunications have much fewer regulations than today.

In other areas (paricularly with things like ADA, FMLA and environmental matters) we have more regulation than the past.

I advise people to study countries that have nationalized companies -- it does not necessarily lead to a permanent situation.

At this point, I am not sure what exactly will happen in the next few years -- but I would not be afraid of some form of nationalization since many Western governments have nationalized industries due to some sort of outside concern -- only to sell its shares to the public.

If you studies Western Europe over the past 30 years, you would have the conclusion that there is less socialism than 30 years ago.

It is what it is.

Economics is Political
You don't have to be a Marxist to believe that, you merely have to read and understand American history: Hamilton v Jefferson, Jackson v Nat'l Bank, Lincoln v slave economics, etc. The dumbing down of the GOP has to be reversed with intelligent leadership. Corporate boards need to force long range planning into their management over "next quarter's numbers".

Gov't involvement should be limited to significant prize funds for the first company to ...fill in the blank with your most impressive scientific acheivement you want to see. There is no "Loan Ranger" to bail us out of stupidity. Create new centers of learning to work around the decimated frauds of intellectual fopism known as college education and the prison guard patrolling known as high schools.
Our crisis is an intellectual one, a loss of history and the insights of the Western culture being buried by self-serving accomadation. We cooperate enough to remake the GOP into a tool of the intelligent heirs of the Renaissance or we watch the demise of civilization here and around the world.
When the Chinese economic bubble bursts (early '09 ?) who will rescue the rescuers? The printing will begin in earnest, the deflation and de-valuation of the dollar will go onto that slippery slope that may take a decade (or more) to recover. How did we recover from the '30's Depression? Look for the massive monitoring machine created (with the good intentions of rooting out enemies) to turn inward vs internal "POLITICAL enemies". I can hear the wailing now "Can't happen here"!!
Ladies and gentlemen - your time is limited - Make it count while you have the opportunity.
jc hoffman
half moon bay, CA

Jim, well stated
Jim
Location: NE
Reply # 6
Date: Nov 29, 2008 - 1:25 AM EST

"Besides which, Bush, Bernanke, Paulson, Reid, and the other idiots on capitol hill added nitro to what was a manageable banking crisis with their rhetoric and doomsday talk. They should be ashamed, and then convicted of criminal misconduct in office"

I pray that we live to see the day where we rise with pitchforks to prosecute, or hang all of these traitors. Frontier justice for the elitists that have feathered their nests at our expense. Bawney Fwank and Christie Dodd should be first. They are criminals.

OBAMA MUST STAND UP NOW OR STEP DOWN

With the great question about Obama's birth certificate and his lawful legitimacy to become President of the United States, I came across this article that sums up the discussion nicely, and according to the author, Obama does have to stand up or step down.

This may be the most complete and thorough legal discussion I have read so far on this topic. I can hardly wait to see how the Supreme Court looks at the issue.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

Note some of the books that are available for sale from NewsWithViews.


Obama not a NATURAL BORN US Citizen!
MORE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE!!!

Here’s 2 responses back from South Carolina and Connecticut for request for records on Obama not being born on American soil:
1) South Carolina: RESPONSE FROM SECRETARY OF STATE SOUTH CAROLINA: PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO PAGE 2 IN WHICH THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA [CAROL FOWLER] UNEQUIVOCALLY STATES THE CANDIDATES ALL QUALIFY FOR THE OFFICE IN WHICH THEY ARE RUNNING WHEN SHE'S NEVER SEEN OBAMA'S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

2) Connecticut: RESPONSE FROM SECRETARY OF STATE OF Connecticut, BIG PROBLEMS WITH THIS FOR HER. He was supposed to be vetted BEFORE he ran for office - 3 months later her excuse is based on a PRESS CONFERENCE [not a court of law] where Hawaii officials never actually verified he was born in Hawaii - they only stated they have his original birth certificate "on file," and refused to answer if the original certificate of live birth was a Kenyan one or a Hawaiian one.

http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/secretary-of-state-resp onses-in-regards-to-request-for-obama-records/

America - you've been conned!

social engineers
They always know what's best for everyone else. They can't grasp the simple idea that the marketplace is a greater repository of wisdom than all of their degrees at all of the universities they ever studied at. They don't know the first rule of education, humility. There isn't one of them who doesn't secretly whisper that the constitution must be trashed. They are in a word, detestable!

Right on
Charles has hit the nail on the head again.

Congressional "oversight" is nothing more than congressional meddling. Senator Schummer knows nothing about the market economy. He has the ability to articulate his liberal position very well but it still is an un-american position.

So many people fall for his glibly stated positions because they don't know what else to think. They have no clue on what capitalism is all about. The Russian masses were led down that road by Marx. The resemblence between Schummer's ideas and those of Russian commisars is striking. The biggest problem is that both Schummer and the majority of the American public cannot see the the similarity.

ACORN WAS THE CATALYST
Why does everyone think they must apologize to president-elect Obama when he was the teacher of ACORN and no one has told us what he taught nor produced his Harvard Thesis or a valid birth certificate. ACORN was the catalyst that used their money and power to convince Congress to order banks to commit fraud on the American people which is the root of this economic melt down. Raines ended up with $90,000,000 and all on the board did nothing to stop the train wreck knowing it was coming. Who's been held accountable for the greatest fraud against America's taxpayers? For example, if the average citizen sat on a board that was negligent or intentionally or unintentionally misled their investors (the taxpayers in this case) then the federal government would be all over them and they'd be in jail and fined! The fact that the government is telling the people that they're bailing us out is ridiculous because they're bailing the public servants and ACORN members who caused the fall of our great country.
The government is ordering us to pay back the government for their alleged crimes against We The People, and in my opinion, they should all be impeached, not promoted and rewarded. So, if they can't stop this speeding train wreck in 2009, then the dollar will diminish and possibly bring America to its knees. In my opinion, only Americans who have money in another country or own gold can survive under those conditions. How much money can they print without a backlash? It's times like this that the Old Testament and the forefathers talked about enslavement or bondage and warned people that a corrupt government who becomes greedy and tyrannical.

The SMARTEST people in the world!!
It would be funny if it weren't just so painful to watch. All the politicians, especially Mr. Obama, acting as if they really understand the economy and how to fix the current crisis. Honestly, B.H. Obama and his wife were just complaining about how hard it was to live on only half a million dollars a year, what with all the college loans and whatnot....are we really s'posed to believe these folks can solve anything real.

Besides which, Bush, Bernanke, Paulson, Reid, and the other idiots on capitol hill added nitro to what was a manageable banking crisis with their rhetoric and doomsday talk. They should be ashamed, and then convicted of criminal misconduct in office. Here are a group of folks who have proven the Peter principle beyond anyone's capacity to doubt.

On top of everything else they're doing wrong, they seem to have forgotten what capitalism is all about, that greed really is good, and that THEY caused this mess in the first place by forcing banks to come up with ways to make riskier and riskier loans. Pathetic!

FeargalX (PA)
A corporation doesn't have to be nationalized to be owned by the federal government.

A regulatory agency can simply require adherence by the corporation to various rules set by the White House. The stock would remain in private hands; the officers and directors would be chosen as they usually are: by the sharholders.

21st century socialism doesn't require arm bands or gulags. It will thrive using the iron fists of the regulatory agencies. They have both civil and criminal sanctions to use against the corporation.

Radio will soon be under assault by the "fairness doctrine", and the government won't have to own any part of it. Pass enough laws and write enough regulations and you can destroy any business enterprise, simply for your own political purposes.


Gerard the delusional
So let me get this straight Gerard, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are innocent dupes hoodwinked by the dim wit GW? You are truly delusional

the root cause -- please consider histor
Quick access to information has is why markets are so volatile. That combined with the fact that so many more trades occur than even 20 years ago is a recipe for this "political" rather than economic situation. I am not sure how this can really ever get fixed -- I think it is good that information is so quickly digestible -- but this is a consequence.

Another lesson I will give to anyone interested is that even if our auto industry is nationalized it does not mean that in 10 or 20 years it might be privately held again. Consider the banking situation in France where banks were nationalized between 1945 and 1987 --they were sold to the public. Great Britain and France have gone back and forth with nationalization of various industries (including the auto industry). Though I am not a huge fan of French cars, those car companies are not about to fail (in Britain, they did fail -- but probably not due to the nationalization).

Those people who think that interference and natinalization will necessitate the end of free enterprise are historically wrong. While it may be a consequence, the various examples in Western European history show that companies nationalized are frequently made private again.

Bailout or die
With this new way of doing business now, who's accountable? Will a bailout mean getting rid of the CEO and those responsible for running the company into the ground. It's a fact, one company services many companies. If a company goes under, the company supplying them continues on. They don't fold just because a company like a bank or auto company goes bankrupt. One company like a bank or auto company isn't the life line of one company. There will always be a need for the supplies of a bankrupt company. They will just go elsewhere to other companies who are still functioning and thriving.

The USA is NOT Dead Yet!!!
I, too, am somewhat inclined to "sing the Blues"
but I fully expect to survive this just like the 60's, the Nam (3 helpings), a nd a couple ruff spots in the reoad!! DON"T GIVE UP!!!
We ALL need to write call and CONFRONT (if U can find em) these egomaniacs in Congress and "LAY DOWN THE LAW".!!There WILL BE AN ELECTION in 2010 and if WE PULL THE RIGHT LEVERS We WILL BE IN CHARGE OF TERM LIMITS!!! WRITE/CALL these Idiots every week and They may see the light..WE CAN DO IT!! Not YES WE CAN!!!

VICKI
You might consider the economic concept of "price elasticity of demand." It is not true that businesses never pay taxes. If demand for a particular product is elastic, i.e. people will buy less--or none--of the product if the price rises, then the business will have to suck up at least part of the tax.

Vicki (CA)
Sorry for the typos

"What do you think is wrong?"

Vicki (CA)
You are correct: Dodd and Frank stonewalled attempts to stop the sub-prime mess.

I've written my congressman (ironically, REP. Ron Paul, Rep-TX) and asked (o.k., TOLD) him to start writing articles of impeachment regarding Dodd and Frank.

That was weeks ago. He hasn't responded.

What do think is wrong?

VICKI
I watched two of the videos, and the Dems were irate, visceral. The Repubs were in control then in both houses. There was no filibuster. Why didn't they act? The regulator was approved, though in a House vote in early 2007(HR 1427), and officially got to work in 2008. This was done by the Dems, though. It could be seen as CYA(cover your a**), however, by Pelosi, Frank to gloss over misdeeds. The undisputed fact however, is that the Repubs, when they had the chance, did zero to fix this. If they did go after Fannie and Freddie, theyd've had to tackle a lot of private mortgage houses that were really deep into subprime, and I suspect that they didn't wanna rock some of their own constituents' boats. Do you agree?

RE: Ok & indirectly "Charles"
Corporations do not now, never have, and never will pay taxes. The customer of the corporation(s) will ALWAYS pay the tax. You may scoff all you like (I did once :) but think it thru. Corporations take money in from their customers and pay it out to their vendors and to government. If a vendor raises the price of materials it is passed on to the customer. If government raises the tax on the corporation it is passed on to the customer.


RE: Facts are important.
Indeed they are. You say

"Economists who are privy to the sub-prime mess state that the mortgages fueling this were written between 2003-2005, when the House and Senate were in Republican hands. So how do Barney Frank and Chris Dodd get into this? I really would like to know what,specifically, these guys did to engineer this crisis. "

By way of answer I give you this youtube video where the republicans in 2004 tried to increase regulation of the mortgage industry. Specifically Freddie and Fannie. Names are named. Including Mr Frank in his own words blocking attempts to increase regulation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcGKbvTLSM

even more videos on the subject. If you want facts we can get plenty more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsynspIqAoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nU3fNh-PRk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n5dKztd96k



Victoria
the mass psychological effects of our leaders is underestimated. When you have a President who openly lies to the public, the Congress, and the UN, wages war unilaterally, etc. this is what you get. People see the most powerful person in the world behaving badly. It's a license for you to commit your mesdeed, however small in comparison it may be. Don't worry, though, Victoria. Bush said go to the mall and other great "destination spots". A Tickle-Me Elmo will melt away your fears.

OK
all you history loving conservatives. Can you tell me why it is that our consumer driven economy should be top down? That's oxymoronic. Our financial system is based on consumption, like the Asian economies are based on exports. The last several years have seen median wages and buying power falter instead of continually rising. Well, you can only starve the beast for so long. Giving the well off bigger tax cuts DOES NOT circulate money in the economy, it gluts at the top in speculation and then BAM! it's the Reagan S&L Crisis, or the Bush Meltdown, or Hoover's Depression. See the cycle?

Charles,
this is called "corporate welfare" You see, since corporations create all the jobs and the universe, too, we should be thankful and give them what they want when they want it. If your city won't give them tax-free status or provide some infrastructure project they demand, they go to a different place where the natives don't mind being coerced. They don't care about community at all. There's no "Country First" for these people. Just look at the arrogance of some of our professional sports franchises, as an example.

Old Tom
I agree with you about limiting the serving time of our Washington politicians but who is going to pass that law? They wouldn't think of cutting their own throats. But I really do wish it could happen as it would keep them straighter and maybe, just maybe, they would do what they were elected to do. The longer they are in power the more corrupt they get and they completely forget what they were voted in to do in the first place.

Bush's tax cuts
created a huge pool of speculative money that swirled around for eight long years. This money was used to drive up the prices of commodities, food and fuel, especially. Is this some right-wing conspiracy? I think not, so please do all a favor and lose that whole Dem conspiracy baloney.

Go Back To College!
Okay, so if we all go back to college and take American History courses can you imagine the headaches that the professors would have with a bunch of educated non liberal thinking adults? We could screw up their agenda and show the young minds of mush in their classrooms that there are two sides to the story and not necessarily the opinion of the liberal professor teaching that class. Wish we could all take a class together and teach the teacher a thing or two.

Hal Donahue for Congress!
Holy crap, looking at the dimwits there, he would fit right in with his boy Murtha taking marching orders and spewing talking points from his daddy Phil. It is always the fundamentalists, right Hal the blowhard?. Never your guys that have feathered their nests for decades while true conservatives only hoped that they could get some numbers in place to turn it around.

Bush has been the most liberal Republican President since Nixon and now everything is his fault. Because he caved in on almost everything you losers have always begged for, what is the big problem w/ GW except for the war?

What union do you belong to anyhow? You had to have been, or are, a PS teacher if I have to guess. Please, do tell.

Facts are important.
Too many people want to use this crisis to say "Aha, I told you so", and blame someone or something they don't like. Economists who are privy to the sub-prime mess state that the mortgages fueling this were written between 2003-2005, when the House and Senate were in Republican hands. So how do Barney Frank and Chris Dodd get into this? I really would like to know what,specifically, these guys did to engineer this crisis.

BasehallDoc - Seriously?
".....With Obama at the helm the unions are poised to reclaim their glory days ..."

Are we discussing the same Obama who would have bankrupted the coal factory at which you worked? Unions relaiming their "glory days"? When were those days?

Unions may have an inate philosophy of worker protection, but their history of violence and intimidation doesn't bode well for their future glory days. The term "mob boss" has been in use for a long time and not because of some fabled glory days of the unions.

Fools in Foggy Bottom
I say get rid of all the fools and fat cats in Washington, both DEMONCRATS And Republicans.
Restrict the amount of time government officials can SERVE in office as well. Then Maybe we can find a new batch of fools who are not quite so foolish and are more willing let industry and business do what it will with the least amount of government involvement.
Bail-outs are nothing more government subsidies and awards at taxpayer expense for a job poorly done. And unions have only helped to cause more grief.
Work ethics, moral values and the desire to get rich quick without the sacrifice of seeking education and skill are another part of the problem.

Notice
Krauthammer is not as smart as he looks.

Agreed
I agree with most of the postings here and of course, with Krauthammer. Someone said greed is at the root of the problem. I couldn't agree more. Whether it's this ridiculous mortgage/credit/bank/auto mess, or aborting our children in the name of convenience, or the gangs of homosexuals harassing churches and anyone who contributed to the passing of Prop 8, even forcing people out of their jobs, selfishness and materialism have a grip on this country, the likes of which I never thought I would see in my lifetime. People trampling on others to the point of injury and even death in order to get a Christmas bargain? How horrible is this?

I was hoping this economic mess might make people pause for a time and become thankful for what we do have. But right now, it isn't looking like we are learning any lessons. Maybe there are a few out there who are waking up to what is really important in life, but overall, the ugly twins, Greed and Materialism reign.

KATHERINE UT

.....In the fifties I was a member of the steelworkers union and worked the mills in Indiana ...I watched the unions run the mills into the ground until they began shutting down the blast furnaces one by one ...

.....With Obama at the helm the unions are poised to reclaim their glory days ...this is the fulfillment of Lenin's dream to use trade unions to take over the means of production from the companies and to open the way for government to nationalize them into a Socialist government .....COLOSSUS

POLLY @ 1:42

......CO2 is going to make a comeback ...

....."A group of International scientists working in a heavily guarded secret enclave in the Swiss Mountains has concluded that the Earth has entered into a cooling cycle that will precipitate the next Ice Age ...

.....They predict that within a few thousand years, half of the Northern Hemisphere will be under a mile thick sheet of ice ...

.....Their recommendation is that the world's industrial powers must build CO2 generating plants to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere" ...

.....These findings are being kept secret to protect the scientists from green-goon hit squads .....COLOSSUS

The economy in disarray.
I always admire Krauthammer's analysis. My own evaluation of this financial mess would've been the time-honored "the inmates are running the asylum".

RickV404
writes, "Rubbish. The Republican party no more represents Capitalism that the Democratic party. They didn't turn against Capitalism. They turned against a Republican party that acted indistinguishable from the Democratic party. Nobody likes a fraud and Republicans under Bush revealed themselves to be just that."

If your premise is true, and I believe it is, it does not refute baseballdoc's statement.

The republican party used to represent capitalism. Now, it does not. Our latest presidential candidate was a liberal. This only hastens the demise of the country unless it can be stopped from continuing and true free market conservatives can be elected to public offices. I agree the republican party stinks. The other one stinks even more. If we have a Socialist and a Communist party, what type regulations can we expect? If both parties are chasing the populace and truly represent the populace, what does that say about the populace?

RICKV404 @ 2:00

.....Perception is reality ...

.....In the minds of the mob the Democrats are the Party of the common man and Government programs (socialism) and the Republicans are the Party of the rich and big corporations (Capitalism) ...

.....It doesn't matter what the truth is ...the stereotype is etched into the public psyche ...

.....When the economy is good ...Republicans benefit at the polls ...when the economy turns sour ...Democrats benefit ...

.....Read some of FDR's speeches and why Hoover and the Republicans were doomed in the election of 1932 .....COLOSSUS

One can only feel pity...
"Now, I have little doubt that free markets will slowly revive under the Democratic Party."

Hal Donahue, Reply #31

Waaaah, we need regulation!
Any limp-wrist, who cries that we need more regulation is just an idiot that doesn't know that he doesn't know. We have and have had regulation up the wazoo for decades now.

What we need is LESS GOVERNMENT. ELIMINATE who departments and agencies, start with the Dept of Education and the Dept of Commerce and move on from there.

Government is mainly about this: buying the votes of people through directing federal funds their way and thus creating dependent constituents and securing their future votes.



A round of golf????
Schumer is a jerk, the Volt, 40 miles on a charge. Might work on your favorite golf course or in your retirement neighborhood, certainly not a trip out of town. How about clean diesel, works in Europe, AUDI wins 24 hour races with it and does it quickly. If democrats had a pi--ants pinch of po-p for a brain they would just give up and allow America to prosper, remember, drill baby drill!!!!

Brilliance = Obama = Bull
Doubting Obama's Genius? You betcha! And, I don't necessarily think that he will have an epiphany once faced with reality. Libtards rarely do.

Take for instance that of Queen Nancy, who has been in Government long enough to get too many Botox treatments...

Nancy Pelosi recently said that she wants to ban offshore drilling and, instead, wants to invest in "clean" sources like wind, solar and NATURAL GAS... Yep, this is often cited as the "wisdom" of Queen Nancy and her merry brood of Libtards.

Speaker Pelosi, I offer to take you to some of the "clean" natural gas installations of which I am a partner. Perhaps, then you will understand that only through drilling do we get natural gas. It doesn't just appear like manna from Heaven or through the use of solar panels and wind farms.

It is obvious that Queen Nancy's only knowledge of natural gas is emitted by her Royal Tush... and, no, I don't want to drill there.

Yes, that is the reality, which Libtards can't comprehend and I am unmoved in thinking that Obaby will change his Liberal (or worse) stripes once economic and security realities hit him the face. Nor do I believe that Janet Nepalitano will conquer the borders as Secretary of Homeland Security when she failed to do the same in Arizona. Nor do I believe that Charlie Rangel will pay his back income taxes. Nor do I believe that any Democrat will ever walk the plank for the sub-prime mortgage goose egg that has been laid on all of us.

"The Man From Hope AND Change" will continue to view the World from far-left field. Obaby might readjust somewhat, but to ever believe that this "genius" will become exactly that is like believing Santa is coming down your chimney on Christmas Eve. Reality is not something that is often associated with the environment in which Libtards live.



Sucking producers dry
goatlockerloungelizard wrote: "Even a dumb parasite knows you have to keep your host alive. Apparently, the democrats aren't as intelligent as your average bloodsucker."

TRUE! Unions (socialism on a per-company scale) have killed their hosts many times. Liberals are so blinded by greed, covetousness, and hate that they can't see they are destroying the hosts.

Libs aren't the brightest creatures out there. No are RINOs.

***I hate to keep posting this petition link, but we have to send compromising Congressional Republicans a message:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

baseballdoc
.....The people will turn against Capitalism and the Republican Party and turn towards Socialism and the Democrat Party ...
.....This was the case during the Great Depression and will always be the case ...

Rubbish. The Republican party no more represents Capitalism that the Democratic party. They didn't turn against Capitalism. They turned against a Republican party that acted indistinguishable from the Democratic party. Nobody likes a fraud and Republicans under Bush revealed themselves to be just that.

Don't say "it can't get worse"!
Associated Press reports that an Indiana developer has shelved plans to build in southwestern Indiana a $1.5 billion plant which would have turned coal into natural gas. The reason? "Uncertainty about what limits on greenhouse gas emissions, such as carbon dioxide, will be imposed on coal plants" by Congress and the new president.

Once, in furtherance of the hoax of global warming, carbon dioxide has been declared a pollutant, Congress will have gained incredible power to (further) destroy our economy.

And the sheep will submit, for "the science is settled" and only Government can save us from the hell of...warmth.

WHAT DO THE DEMOCRATS WANT?


.....They want SOCIALISM ...and what better way to
accomplish that ...than by sabotaging FREE ENTERPRISE
& CAPITALISM ...

.....If the DEMOCRATS can convince enough voters that
free markets do not work ...by voting against all
development of Fossil Fuels and Nuclear Power ...so
that the economy is on the verge of collapse ...then
they can "SAVE THE DAY" with SOCIALIST" programs ...

.....POLONIUS: "Though this be maddness, yet there is
method in't" ...

.....Several decades ago F. A. Hayek wrote a book titled, "The Road to Serfdom" ...it was a blueprint for how a government based on Capitalism could evolve into a Socialist State through a centralized planned economy ...I fear, with the nationalization of Freddy, Fanny and AIG, that we are approaching the end of that road ...

.....A few years back a friend complained that he did not understand Liberals ...I responded that they were easy to understand if you knew what their ultimate goals were i.e....Marxism, the destruction of Capitalism to be replaced with Socialism ...the game plan was to drive big businesses to the verge of bankruptcy and then step in with government bailouts and takeovers ...are we there yet? .....COLOSSUS

political change for the economy
!The irony your concluding remark! - "...return our economy to market control..." Who do you think is engineering all the bailouts for capitalist greed and failure? The market: the rich and powerful who control it and control government most of the time. Three cheers for Obama, jobs, and regulation!

Polly
"Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 12:20 PM EST
Subject: ...For proof, compare our "poor" to the "middle class" of any other country..."

You have not lived abroad?

SaltyDog
"Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 11:45 AM EST
Subject: Term Limits
The biggest problem with our inept congress is that most of them have been there too long....These people are so vested in their own self interests the though of country is beyond their scope. "

If true, I do not think it is, then you fail as a citizen. Lots of terms have been "limited" in 2006 and 2008. Those are the only term limits necessary. If the citizens are too lazy to do their job they deserve what they get. Look all this talk of a third party comes up but usually only in a national election year. A real third party must begin organising at the local level to succeed but apparently the proponents are too lazy to do that

Mountain Rose
I hate to see anyone vilify capitalism when capitalism is what has made America the richest country in the world--and in only a couple of centuries! Surely you realize that the butcher does not provide meat because he's a good man who knows you're hungry; he does it in order to sell it to you--in his own interest.

Yes, unions are greedy and pushy. Government LEGISLATED their power, power that they will not allow business to wield (see, e.g., trustbusters). Yes lenders have loaned money unwisely. Government (CRA + Clinton edicts = stick; Fannie & Freddie to buy risky loans = carrot) insisted they do so--or pay the price! And the Community-Organizer-in-Chief helped, by training his ACORN acolytes to hammer lenders and by suing banks who didn't perform riskily enough.

Capitalism needs some rules, but, in general, people working in their own interest, unhampered by ignorant legislators and their insane directions, works best for everyone, lifting rich and poor alike.

For proof, compare our "poor" to the "middle class" of any other country.


Excellent Article
Thank you Charles. That was an excellent explanation of where we came from, how we got here and where it looks like we are going.

Even if the pols on both sides wanted to, I don't think there's any way to put the gennie back in the bottle. We're on the same path as Pandora.

Congress = Stupidity
In my 71 years, I never thought it would come to this. Congressional rockheads who are either stupid, cowardly, corrupt, ideologically mis-guided, ignorant of the economic principles which grow an economy, or "political climbers"- they are all in the process of aiding and abetting some of the worst political and economic decisions made since the Great Depression. Their proposed "controls" over the automotive industry constitute a formula for economic disaster. By advocating these controls and parameters, Senator Schumer has proven himself not to be the "smart guy" that he wishes to present himself as to his "adoring public". Just another senatorial hack who well-deserves to lose the honor of representing the interests of the people of New York state. Yes, Mr. Krauthammer - pursue your reporting along these lines - perhaps those of us of a similar mind can bring pressure to bear by exposing incompetence, malfeasance and political corruption. Most unfortunately, our country is entering into a period of economic malaise because of the poor political/economic decisions made over the past 30 years by representatives of a like mindset.

Our Motivational Speaker in Chief...
When Barry - The Magic Negro, aka, the Motivational Speaker in Chief, speaks, we mere rubes and peasants are supposed to stand in awe of His Glory's Blessed Words.

This left-wing lawyer with the gift of gab is nothing but a demagogue, utilizing the "cult of personality". It's sad and scary that so many American adults put their "hope and faith" in an unaccomplished lawyer with a thin resume and a sketchy work history. How truly sad.

Government is the problem........less government and more local/individual responsibility is the solution to our ills. When will a true conservative leader emerge to articulate that philosophy?

Term Limits
The biggest problem with our inept congress is that most of them have been there too long. After FDR, Congress decided to put term limits on the President and they should do the same with themselves. The man at the top changes but the same old crap keeps churning below. These people are so vested in their own self interests the though of country is beyond their scope.

Barry believes in govt. by "experts"
Growth of government is the main problem and it will likely get worse with Barry-boy in charge, for he is a believer in government by experts - let the "experts" plan our lives and make our decisions but as the wonderful Thomas Sowell said in his column the other day, national output is down only about 1%. Yet we have politicians and media screaming that the nation, the world is coming to an end.

It's called a recession folks, they happen periodically every ten years or so. Doesn't matter which idiot occupies the White House at the time.

The economy is definitely slow but politicians (most liberal Dems) and their media "PR Department" cheerleaders (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MS-LSD, NY Times, LA Times, Wash Post - shall I stop?) have been singing in chorus for months now. Why?

Because a republican was in the White House. Same pattern for decades now. Once Barry Dunham, the lawyer with virtually no experience in anything, gets in the White House, we will begin to hear news stories on how things aren't quite as bad as first predicted. Strange how that repeatedly happens over the years.

Drive by shopping centers this weekend. Jam-packed. People are really living in despair like the Great Depression, eh? So instead of having five tv's, people will cut back to having three - what peasants we will become! Instead of having $40,000 German and Japanese vehicles, maybe you can humble yourself to have a good, decent $20-25,000 vehicle - preferably American made and thus keep most of the money here, domestically. We all need to cut back a little on wastefulness and extravegance. It's just common sense. Save more money for a rainy day. Pay off your debts, don't get into big debts. Cut back on television subcriptions, you don't need to spend your life watching idiots on the TV. Cut back on silly cell phone plans. Most people have way too much cell phone obsession.

Common sense.


WHEN ECONOMIC TIMES GO BAD

.....The people will turn against Capitalism and the Republican Party and turn towards Socialism and the Democrat Party ...

.....This was the case during the Great Depression and will always be the case ...

.....Each economic downturn brings us closer to a Socialist Republic .....COLOSSUS

Seawolf VA, Nov 28, 2008 - 10:51 AM EST

You suggested:
"Privatize Social security"

If Social Security gets privatized, it will have to be really unhooked from the government and really privatized.

Social security came into existence as a government retirement program, but was immediately challenged in court because the government isn't empowered to run retirement programs for anyone.

The government's response was that Social Security was not a real retirement program since the funds collected were being put into the general fund, so Social Security was allowed to continue.

Anyone who believes Social Security is a retirement program is sadly mistaken.

The reasons why government doesn't want to have anything to do with privatizing SS is because 1) they aren't empowered to do so, and 2) if they did, they would immediately lose a lot of tax revenue from tax payers and from business.

Best individual solution is to learn about finances and take care of your own retirement. You can't trust government in this arena.

A Taste of Honey
In Truth many of the Bloggers are right saying there is little difference between the Left and right in America . Maybe but the outcomes are far different in REALITY .
Socialist want to raise Taxes tp pay for Social Programs . Those on the right know that if you lower taxes and Capital Gains ..... huge profits pay's for Social Programs .
Those on the left see Capitalism as the enemy ..hence CLASS WARFARE .
THOSE on the Right see Capitalism as a best friend .
Those on the left know there is no Socialism without Capitalism to pay for Socialism .
Here is the Rub ....... The Left wants to Control your Mind and needs .....then your Votes .... See black America and Unions .
The Right wants you to make lots of Money and you control your Damn Self ! Then you will always vote to be richer and freeeeeeerrrr !
You vote Right ... duh !

Political Economy
There are two many political hacks trying to justify their stance. Remember, when politics tries to run business neither benefits; not the politics not the business.

The only way out is
to start cutting back on "entitlements", no-one is entitled to anything that they haven't earned except the truely needy.
Freeze the bad mortgages at the level they were when issued and make them assumable , if the homeowner still can't afford it, tough, shouldn't have gotten it in the first place.
Somebody with money will pick it up and the taxpayers wouldn't get screwed into paying off somebody else debt.

Privatize Social security..totally, it CAN be done over 20 years, let the people invest their own money like the Federal Employees get to do and the congress BTW.
There would be billions invested rather than allowing congress to pizz it away like they have been doing since LBJ on welfare and other BS programs to buy votes.

Will the clowns do it? Of course not, we might actually come to realize that we don't need them or their stinking corruption anymore.
Anyone involved with the mortgage mess needs to be impeached for malfeasance.
I know they're stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid, prosecute a few especially Franks, Dodd and chuckie boy and watch them get back in line.


Amen Brother Krauthammer
This will be the first time in American history where are children won't be better off then we were. The American Dream(or ethic) as I remember it was: be honest, work hard, buy your own house, pay your bills,save for retirement, do everything you can to make a better life for your children so they can have a better life than you did. Has that really changed? Now it seems Government(both parties)are only interested in how much power they can get to get more of everything for themselves. Why else would any one go into politics. Greed rules now. I was never a proponent of term limits until now. 2 terms for everyone and flat tax might save us.

"I told you so" Part Deux

So nobody is making decisions in the interest of the company, from the unions to the CEOs, and nobody is making decisions in the interest of the country, as they all grab for all they can suck out of these durable money-making machines, and the corporation dies slowly by the death of a thousand cuts.

Do you think these CEOs care about a company they didn't start? Heck no! When they have hired all their incompetant buddies from the college fraternities, and the company is sucked dry like a fly in a spider web, these cretans all spin out their golden parachutes like Charlotte's babies, and go infest some other corportion, and destroy it.

Labor is not any better, refusing to budge an inch in their salaries or benefit packages, even when a company is on the verge of bankruptcy.

When these big companies crash to the ground like a Whooly Mammoth, they take out a lot of little businesses with them: restaurants, retail stores, and service professionals who relied on the business from the employees who used to work at a corporation that just died a painful death, all have to run out and find new customers, or crash and burn along with the corporation they relied on for business.

I have been watching the small businesses gradually losing customers for years, as they lose their jobs to outsourcing and imported foreign workers who take the high paying jobs that supposedly Americans won't do.

I have been hollering that the government has to make a more business friendly atmosphere, or the economy is going to tank, and all I got was the cheerleaders calling me a liberal.

Well, now that you are finally feeling the pinch, I wish I took pleasure in saying "I told you so!"

Dem Dimwits
Liberals have an idea of what "they" want the United States to look like. Never mind that their vision has nothing to do with the practicality of what is needed, the depths of the negative impact it will have on the people, the economy and the nation. It's how they see it dammit and so must it be.

With the government now a primary stake holder in both the financial sector as well as pending big business, Schumer et al will not be able to pass up the temptation to "do it their way." Once again, the socialist model will fail as it always does.

And the Democrat dimwits will be rooting in that "Ash Heap" for clues as to what went wrong and exclaiming that their policies are sound, they just need more money.

How to be heard in Washington
Join http://www.downsizeDC.org and participate in one or more of the campaigns there. When enough of us do there will be a shift. Even in a Democrat controlled congress.

"Make Congress Read Their Bills Before Voting"
would be a really good start. It would strip from politicians the excuse that they did not know what was hidden in a bill.

“One Subject at a Time Act” would strip from politicians the excuse that they "HAD" to vote for a bill even though there were things in it they knew we would not like.

DownsizeDC is not the only method but it is a good method to "lobby" Congress. If just 1 million of us did it every day they would notice

-Vicki-

"Never give up. NEVER surrender"

It is bitter sweet for me to say "I told
you so" to all the idiot pundants who kept claiming that the economy was in good shape, while I, the canary in the coal mine, kept saying the economy was in trouble.

I don't want the economy to be in trouble, but when you have all of these factions that put their pocketbooks ahead of the good of the country, we are in trouble.

The cheerleaders who kept saying that all we have to do is have each person act in their own best interest, and the economy would run hummingly, do not take into account that this kind of system only works when the population has a certain amount of moral character that keeps them from behaving in too ruthless a manner.

When the Unions are greedy, and keep asking for more, threatening strikes unless they have their way, it is easy for the proponents of radically excessive Laissez Faire Economics to point out how this is killing corporations. However, these people are blind to how the greed and the cronyism of the executives in the same company also destroy the corporations from within through their excesses.

Because most CEOs of modern companies are not the original entrepreneurs-- ie: Ford is not run by Henry Ford, and Edison is not run by Thomas Edison-- the CEOs are now just glorified employees. They are not invested in the success of the corporation as the original entrepreneurs were, and so the decisions they make in their own self interest are not the same as making decisions for the good of the corporation.

LD35
"Date: Nov 28, 2008 - 9:57 AM EST
Hal....it was the Dems(United Socialist Party) that has caused this downturn & was done for political reasons. They just didn't realize the depth of what they done...."

LMAO Stand up, stop whimpering and learn. You know back when there were real conservatives they could admit errors and adapt and prosper. I didn't always agree with them but they were stand up people. Now you fundamentalist conservatives are unable to accept responsibility for anything and you can only change when forced to do so like only the 2006 elections forced you to admit "staying the course in Iraq" was a mistake. Heck many of you are still unable to do so.

Your inability to adapt and admit error is exactly why you were unable to govern effectively

PA and MI should be ashamed
PA morons vote again...and re-elect the
oldest has been in Congress.

Maybe they were really racist rednecks.

MI never looks outside it's own little
messed up world to see what makes the
successes of other states.

Blindly vote for dems and follow to their
doom. Beg for bailouts to keep their fat
unions afloat; which this time it won't -
IF they get anything at all.

With Congress' constituency in majority
chorus "Let them declare bankruptcy!"

One can only hope the Congress and Senate
with listen to their majority voices!

Oh Dear me...
I just noticed that I confused Chuck with Michelle probably because of all the whining please accept my apologies LOL

Hal Donahue PA, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:57 AM E

Hal, I live in Maine. I'm surrounded with liberals and socialists, so I think I recognize 'em when I see 'em. Big government, high taxes, lousy business attitude - that's what is wrong with Maine's economy.

Thank you. Thanksgiving was very nice, and I hope the same was true for you and yours.

HighlanderJuan
"...: Nov 28, 2008 - 9:26 AM EST
Hal Donahue PA, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:16 AM E

Hal, you are the best example of liberal thinking I can find.

I'm certain you think of my statement as a compliment..."

Not at all but it does show your limited knowledge of moderate and liberal thinking... I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with you and yours

Hal D
believes all this is the result of conservatives. Is it any wonder we are doomed? The guys with the boot on our necks are blaming us for the difficulty in breathing.

Warrior AL, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:46 AM EST

True. True.

That leaves the burden of responsibility for improvement up to you and me.

Let's roll!

m.a.
You mean like you all do up in Michigan--you let Unions drive out your industry, dry up your jobs, and still you vote Democrat. Check on Alabama, we vote Republican, have very few and small Unions, and house Japanese car manufactures to employ our people and bring in tax revenues. We in the South understand and despise Socialism/Communism, you in Michigan elect nothing else. The next time you see Conyers, Levin, or Stabenow give them my regards. BTW Stabenow portrays herself as an expert on industrial matters--how ironic--maybe she will bailout the auto-industry and fatten up your Unions.

HighlanderJuan
"...: Nov 28, 2008 - 9:26 AM EST
Hal Donahue PA, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:16 AM E

Hal, you are the best example of liberal thinking I can find.

I'm certain you think of my statement as a compliment..."

Not at all but it does show your limited knowledge of moderate and liberal thinking... I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with you and yours

Hal
You are not telling the truth, and you know you're not.

It was the Dems(United Socialist Party) that has caused this downturn & was done for political reasons. They just didn't realize the depth of what they done.

Why Chevy Volt?
I don't want a new electric car.
I don't want a new car.
I don't want an electric car.

I want to keep my '01 LS430 and
convert it to CNG.

Have the Dem leaders completely
pushed this option out of the
running?

Why is congress telling us (we the
people) what type of cars we can
have? Shouldn't that come from those
who know and study these options (engineers)
and the businesses that would produce the
options?

My vote for congress is 0. This is the
worst I have seen or read of in the life
of our now politically ignorant nation.

Highlander Juan
Your point about Patton is well taken but remember Patton was in the battle, he had control over his destiny. We are just stirring the air in our living rooms, computer rooms or where ever; we are doing nothing to control our destiny. Pendulums never swing back, it takes action to make changes. Congressmen are cowards, that is why they make laws protecting themselves, and why they face the American people in coveys when they present a stupid legislative proposal. The list of Congressional malfeasance is long, studded with excuses, pardons, and slaps on the wrist. Schumer, Frank, and Dodd are arrogant, flagrant, repetitive violators of the public trust. They have broken faith with the Americam ideal and the American people; they can sink no lower or do any more harm than they have done. The People are suffering but the People do nothing.

Why Wait For Washington?
The whining and moaning from conservative pundits and conservatives in general is pathetic. Why wait for someone to show up in Washington to "lead us out of the wilderness"? Every conservative across the nation is a potential leader; you don't have to be on FOX News, or write a column, be on the radio, or be an elected official. You want a leader? Stand up and lead! Where do you suppose Reagan, Gingrich and the like came from? They were regular people who decided to stand up for what they believe in. Stop whining and start fighting for what you believe in whoever and wherever you are.

Hal Donahue PA, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:16 AM E

Hal, you are the best example of liberal thinking I can find.

I'm certain you think of my statement as a compliment.

Warrior AL, Nov 28, 2008 - 9:13 AM ES

This seems to be my George Patton morning, but he was so good at so many levels.

"You're never beaten until you admit it."

"It is the unconquerable nature of man and not the nature of the weapon he uses that ensures victory."

- General George S. Patton, Jr

Never give up!

Wow what a pessimist!
However, I think you are beginning to convince me too! Hey government, courts, and liberals, take a long walk on a short pier! Or find yourself another country to ruin! YOu do not get this one! We real Americans have yet begun to fight!!

Michelle
"...We may one day go back to a market economy. Meanwhile, we need to face the two most important implications of our newly politicized economy: the vastly increased importance of lobbying and the massive market inefficiencies that political directives will introduce..."

Oh stop it! This was what failed senator santorum's K street project was all about. It is the very heart of fundamentalist conservatism. Now, I have little doubt that free markets will slowly revive under the Democratic Party. But there is nothing "new" in this politized economy it started eight years ago

Symptoms
There are many symptoms of our economic problems and a great many of those, maybe the majority, can be found in the body of those we elect to represent us. Congress and the Senate are corrupt. Al Franken is a symptom of those bodies, he is a comedian that is not funny, a foul mouthed bad example of our morals, and he is trying to steal an election. If he is successful and I think he will be, he will take a seat with his corrupt actions and thinking in the Senate of the US. That will do nothing to improve our view of our Senate. It will just add another crook to conspire with Schumer , et al, to further destroy our economy. If we were more than just "jaw jackers", we would demand prison for Schumer, Dodd, and Frank and if necessary march enmass on Washington to show our solidarity for their immediate prosecution and removal from office. We won't, we have no Leader, and we have no fire in our gut to make things right.

fishy OH, Nov 28, 2008 - 8:45 AM EST

You asked:
"So, I ask once again, how does the average American fight Federal government when we have given up our speech and our arms and with no other place to go?"


Never give up! I made a few suggestions in my 8:15 post that might be helpful.

And I don't know about you, but I haven't given up my freedom of speech, nor my guns.

George Patton said it best:

"You're never beaten until you admit it."

Never give up!

Looking Ahead
It's depressing to look into the future from here. Life as we've known it is over. The inevitable march of fascistic socialism will continue to accelerate until it culminates in a great conflagration that will make WW II look like child's play.

I'm not talking about some biblical Armageddon. There isn't going to be a Rapture that sweeps up all the "true believers", saving them from the horror. That's mythology. Everyone on the planet will suffer the consequences.

The saddest thing of all is that we have no one to blame but ourselves. We were the last great hope for humankind, but we've blown it by falling prey to collectivism. that is the tragic flaw of our species.

I am with you all the way!
Brian in AZ - I'm in the southeastern corner, and I am with you 100%. My husband has cried out for the people to retake their government for months. This marvelous country has become not what Thomas Jefferson and his compatriots worked so diligently to create by carefully enumerating the limited governmental powers and retaining the rights and sovereignty of the people, but what Alexander Hamilton and his cronies subvertively and selfishly rehashed from the same Britian we fought for our "independence" by insidious and odious means. Read about it. It should make your blood boil...

I GREW UP
hearing the saying "You can't fight City Hall"
So how does the average citizen fight Federal Government?
Honest, 'We the People', serving politicians today are few and far between and even the few who are elected haven't the ability or power to reverse the rampant corruption of government.
Politicians from the top down, have re-(en)titled themselves as 'Landlords'. Try and get a 'landlord' to fix something. Even when they try fixing it themselves or hiring incompetant consultants to advise them on how to fix something--they raise the rent.
The American people and American companies have become 'renters' of, instead of 'employers' of, our Countrys government. Why? Because of the false promises of a government which would meet all our needs. After all, the 'rent' has been relatively cheap over the last several decades.
Well guess what--the rent's going UP, monetarily with taxes (paying the way for renters who do not pay taxes) and renters 'rights' are going DOWN, losing 'freedom' of speech and to bear arms.
So, I ask once again, how does the average American fight Federal government when we have given up our speech and our arms and with no other place to go?

Kathryn
Good job, Kathryn!
To all, if you are a conservative, go to the link provided by Kathryn, and have your voice heard!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

Consequential political engineering.

When political/social engineering consumes mechanical, electrical, chemical, and physical engineering the new PhD's will be nothing more than window dressing for politically correct models. Why study the workings of physics and mathematics when what one needs to succeed is a political velvet-fist? The best and brightest will study political law and that will be that.

I'm sure it's a shock to one and all just how fragile the entire capitalist system is to outside, robust, wide-bellied intervention. I myself am amazed beyond description.

Thank you for presenting the truth in such a convincing fashion--while you still have the freedom to do so.

Daniel
Pennsylvania

Good job, Charles - You nailed it !
This really is a freedom issue.

We know which way the new batch of socialists in our midst will go - toward greater government power and financial control. But we also know that individual freedom and autonomy is the absence of legislation and government control.

So what do conservatives, free market advocates, and realists do about restoring and keeping our freedoms?

Well, the problem didn't happen overnight, and it won’t be resolved overnight. But we can fix it, and we can do it by starting with a few simple steps.

1. If you think you don't know enough about the law, or free market economics, or finances, or American government, or American history, or the tax structures - go back to school. You're never too old to go back to college, and read books, and talk to people. An educated electorate is a free electorate.

2. Get involved with the political process, and do it now, and stay involved.

3. Keep asking questions and keep demanding answers from the people you elect into public office and from the people you hire within your government. Be polite because they are your neighbors and mutual respect is important.

4. Remember what the term 'public servant' really means. Our government is there to serve us, not control our lives, and we are either a free people or we are not a free people. The good part is we get to decide which we are.

5. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and we are now being taxed to death as a people to support our overweight and burdensome government. Less tax is better.

6. Help our children understand what the real issues are, because they will take over from us soon, and they are being poorly taught by the government schools. The future is theirs, and they need to be prepared for it.

7. And finally, don't ever let the ba$tards wear you down. Never give up fighting for your own freedom and for what you believe in!

But you already know all of this, don't you.

Was no accident
Perhaps this crisis was no accident. As for this Congress being stupid, I doubt that. They are clever like a fox. But their game plan isn't about what's good for the country. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac weren't enacted accidentally. The Community Reinvestment Act wasn't enacted accidentally. Banks being pressured into making dangerous loans wasn't an accident. Those in Congress knew damn well what they were doing. They knew making bad loans would eventually erode the banking system, perhaps they didn't suspected such a calamitous collapse. But they are taking what they can get and making the most of the situation to further their goal; i.e. socializing America. The American electorate is ignorant, lacks memory, and seeks it's own selfish ends.

Harrison
As you note, the bankruptcies of American Steel, California, and now GM/Ford show the road the whole country is treading. Debt from living beyond our means. Deferred debt from Ponzi scheme financing. Unfunded entitlements. Disregarding demographics like simplly growing old. These things removed Spain from the world stage. Then France, then Britain. There is little hope for the US and only an intelligent and courageous reaction to the oncoming deluge will prevent us from following these others into irrelevance. We have voted ourselves into extinction.

America is like the American auto indust
See My Blog of November 25th by the above title.

Harrison Condit
hscondit@gmail.com

The Result
When an economy is badly distorted and the politicians insist on interfering even more you end up with a disaster. Chuck Schumer deciding what Detroit should be building is a perfect example. The end result is usually violent conflict either between nations as the leaders attempt to fix the mess by taking from their neighbors or revolution as the people rise up against those that caused the mess in the first place.

War has become much more dangerous. One nuclear EMP blast over the central US could put us back into an 1800s economy with millions starving. Invest in ammo and freeze dried food. Thank God I am not young.

How do we get back to basics
when the electorate, given the chance last election, voted more of these fools and crooks into office.
Too many look to gov't to hold their hand not realizing that gov't is the cause of it all. A trillion a year for welfare alone, then add in the pork these clowns dream up to get themselves re-elected and we now see the results.

Back when banks were small and local, they had to be responsible with the depositors money, back when people had a clue about their gov't, these congress critters had to respond to we who sent then up there or they were out on their ear.

It will have to get worse before this fools wake up to what has to be done...fire them all and make the new bunch toe the line, we had our chance and got over-ridden by the greedy and the stupid.

United Socialist States of America
The USSA is already here folks. It seems too late to stop this huge push to socialism. Our out of control government is going to get even bigger under the Community Organizer in Chief because that's what community organizer's do - organize.

Nothing but Fabian Socialists in DC. Both parties.

The Democrats created this problem

I disagree with your "no fault of their own" statement about Obama..as he participated in this housing distortion and theft, as so MANY of his team are, I can't see how he isn't responsible.

What Obama needs to do is reinstate confidence by bring in someone that is from the healthiest Federal Reserve Bank region. Preferable someone who has demonstrated prudence and can speak plainly about the market situation.

Soup Lines
Dear Mr. Krauthammer,
You're right: you can make a lot of money these days in the market, without a whole lot of research. That's because Wall Streeters are lined up like urchins, waiting for the next bowl of gruel, instead of measuring actual production and output. No one seems to be concerned with who makes better mousetraps these days, particularly the investor, least of all Unions and CEOs.

It's all about appearance:
That became apparent when the "irrational exhuberance" comments brought the house down under a previous Fed. And he was right: investing was believed to be like shooting fish in a barrel, and the people who were exhuberantly investing were like movie-goers who love sappy love stories: they're in-love-with-being-in-love. (Sort of like Hollywood's in love with it's own image, the daffodil-farm-of-stars.)

When companies are rewarded for good products and good management, such comments won't send the markets shrieking, up or down. Right now, they have the economic version of a Histrionic Personality Disorder.

The reality is, the 90s had an information technology boom, and much of it was real, and we need another type of technology boom - in fuel. (Years ago, before the IT revolution, it was agriculture.) Efficiency drives most modern markets - or did, until the soup lines started to form, once the Fed told everybody that the way to get rich was to borrow cheap money.

Line up and hold your pockets open (and bend over.) There was a delusion that markets could all be controlled by interest rates, and people stopped thinking about products and productivity.

People can line up with the rest of them and call it soup if you want to, but it's mostly boiled water; not even a little salt.

Katz TX & Brian AZ
I'm with you guys.
A very good start would be the imposition of term-limits on congress..one 6 year term and OUT!

Global investors clearly see what our politicians nor media will utter : our congress has scammed the world with history's largest pyramid/Ponzi scheme ever. New York, once the center for financial services for the world is no more, these services are being diluted all over the globe, London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Zurich,Sao Paulo etc.

How long before the US credit ratings are revised downward ? Sharply downward...after that happens there is no alternative but to print more worthless dollars and an inflation rate never before seen in America.
California is a pretty good example, it's credit ratings already are on a level with those of Bolivia!

If we had laws similar to those in China, crooks like Schumer, Frank etc. would have been executed by now, shot in the back of their heads.

Our "managed" Economy
We are entering and age of a government managed economy.It will own businesses .It will determine what is an acceptable business plan.It will determine winners and loosers.Investors...who needs them when The government can just print money and "invest".


AMERICA...fight back ! Get politically involved.Support the struggle for Conservative leadership of the Republican party.What am I doing ? I joined TEAM SARAH.I'm supporting with my money the conservative candidate in Georgia senatorial run off.I'm reading CULTURE WARRIOR by Bill O'Reilly, and I'm supporting Michael Steele for NRC head(since Newth Gingrich wants to more or less it on the sidelines). WHAT ARE YOU DOING ?

Democrats = Republicams
Mr. K. has offered a math "proof" that we have all known for years, without realizing it.

There are no differences in the two political parties with our country, both stand for the same thing: Unbridled Socialism!

Democrats = Republicans

Perfect Charles!!
Kathryn, et al --- A colleague once mentioned to me that Ayn Rand never intended Atlas to be a history book!! And what a history book it has become.

Charles ... please don't let up. All the talk about capturing this vote bloc or that is BS if the end result is that Capitalism becomes the fall guy.

Ultimate travesty ... Barney Frank, Schumer, etc. caused much of the problems with CRA and now they're going to be in charging of fixing things. Oh my God ... we are in trouble.

Political economy
It became obvious that the market was simply reacting to whatever one or the other of these insufferable, pompous, wall street connected bureaucratic crooks made a public statement.

I mean Paulson and Bernecke. It got so you'd wish they'd just STFU. Of course, it's their buddies who got rich(er) just knowing when they were going to open their yap so they could sell short - apart from the ones who were raking it in via the 'bailout'. The market rebounded when they stayed quiet - that was the market responding to the short-sellers buying back their shares.

There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that we've been witnessing a criminal conspiracy of the most colossal magnitude since the sub-prime mortgage collapse began. We'll know all about it from the players themselves once the statute of limitations expires.

Expect Bush to issue blanket pardons to everyone in his administration. Paulson won't need one - he already bought his from the dhimmis.

But i offer no pity
In all my years(i'm 74), i have never detested any group like i do this congress.
There are the crooks, the wanna be crooks,the stupid and i had another name to call them but i'll pass on that.

They are absolutely the worst i have ever seen.

Atlas Shrugged, What about US Citizens?
Brilliant nugget, goatlockerloungelizard! Kathryn, you beat me to the punch!

This article is dead on, and the whole charade reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.

Charles, I hope you and others can obstruct the biggest cover-up of the century -- viz., the Democrats' role in creating the financial crisis (bad mortages, Fannie/Freddie) -- and get some names named (Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Obama, et. al.). All of the congressional hearings are aimed at blaming the private sector in order to turn the listening public into Marxists. Maybe the FBI alone can get this job done...

Accountability begins by naming names in public; and since Congress will do little if anything, it's up to guys like you, Charles. Maybe this is worth another Pulitzer. The alternative is ending up in that ash heap, shrugging in a state of powerlessness...

Kathryn, exactly
Like "Atlas Shrugged". Guess what I'm doing? Hint: check my screen name.

Even a dumb parasite
knows you have to keep your host alive. Apparently, the democrats aren't as intelligent as your average bloodsucker.

Blinded by power
Watching what's going on in Washington is like reading another chapter of "Atlas Shrugged." These Democrats (and too many Republicans) are so blinded by power and failed ideology that they can't see the more they get their hands into the economy, the worse the economy gets.

We have weak Republicans who act more like Democrats for not acting as a defense against this kind of socialist disaster.

Yep, I'm angry.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

The Truth Is That Business
Really doesn't mind socialism. See from their point of view they still get to keep what they have (until later) and the risks and costs are spread to to other entities. There's no downside because they are no longer responsible for anything bad that happens.

Or so they think until the need for sacrificial lambs arises. But they don't have to worry about that for a little while, say until they can retire and thus remove themselves from being used as an excuse for and the very face of failure.

But the press will do what is best for the Marxist cause and everything will be tailored to fit the survival of their power. Unless the unfortunate happens wherein they are not able to maintain control of public information or someone decides to push them out of the picture and assume that control.

I wonder what history could show us about that...

Brian in Scottsdale
I'm with Brian in Scottsdale. The Icelanders have stormed the Parliament and have demanded the resignations of defunct leaders and I believe that is what the American public should do. Congress has caused this country to fall into a third-world status while the representatives of the people, who in fact represent only themselves, have become filthy rich. They not only should be ousted, they should be driven out and we should, indeed, start all over.

The "other " option
All we hear from Washington is "more money, more money" They never talk about cutting spending like the rest of us have to do. I wish we could have a "no confidence" vot and send them ALL home and start over.
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