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Thursday, September 24, 2009
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Glenn Beck Explained
by Cal Thomas
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"They would not listen, they're not listening still,

"Perhaps they never will." -- Don McLean, "Vincent"

Radio and TV commentator Glenn Beck was mentioned three times in separate opinion columns on the same day and in an article the next day in The New York Times, possibly a record for someone who does not hold elective office.

Oh, and then there's this week's Time magazine cover. He's everywhere. Beck is also the Left's latest explanation for what is wrong with America. Many on the Left believe that if conservatives would just get out of the way, shut up and allow liberals to re-create America in their image, we would all be better off. But those loud-mouthed cable TV and radio talk show hosts keep uneducated, God-worshipping, flag-waving, NASCAR-loving, country music-fueled trailer trash riled up and prevent their brave new world from being born.

Arguing with Idiots By Glenn Beck

The articles, essays and columns about Beck, and so many others on the Right, drip with the condescension conservatives have come to expect from liberal elites who think because they went to the "right" schools they are better than everyone else.

I had not met Glenn Beck, so last week I visited him in his high-rise Manhattan office. His walls are decorated with black-and-white photographs of people he clearly admires. There are entertainers like Red Skelton and a young filmmaker named Walt Disney. You could watch Skelton on TV and view Disney movies along with your wife and kids, knowing you'd never hear a bad word, including a bad word about America.

Beck has an old Admiral black-and-white TV an aide says they are trying to "make work." When it did work, it carried programs worth watching, including news broadcasts by real journalists like Edward R. Murrow, whose photo hangs on a wall close to Beck's office.

Is it Beck who is stirring the pot or has the pot been stirring for some time and it is he, and a few others, giving the masses a voice? Maybe it's the leadership vacuum in the country that has thrust Beck and Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin (1 million of his latest book sold) and others to the forefront. If Republicans were behaving like Republicans, perhaps there would be less perceived need for them.

If the Left bothered to hang out where conservatives do and take seriously their concerns about a country to which they pay taxes and for which many of them, or their parents, or children have fought, maybe they would understand what has so many upset.

Pollster Frank Luntz understands. In a recent column for The New York Daily News, Luntz reports on his interview survey of 6,400 people, the results of which appear in his new book "What Americans Really Want ... Really." Luntz discovered that people are angry with the government because of the lack of accountability by our leaders and a lack of progress on anything meaningful in Washington.

The "absence of accountability," he writes, "ranks No. 1 in the hearts and guts of the average American. Washington spends billions to bail out big business and then can't explain where the money went. Washington spends $800 billion on a stimulus package filled with earmarks and pork projects. And now Washington is trying to create a trillion-dollar health-care experiment when over 85 percent of Americans are satisfied with their health care just as it is."

As Professor Harold Hill put it: "Make your blood boil? Well, I should say."

Luntz continues: "This could be forgiven, perhaps, if those elected officials from Washington exhibited even an ounce of respect for the voters who pay their salaries. But the combination of a political class that ignores those with whom they disagree and a business class that ignores the very real suffering of the working class (if they are, in fact, working) while pocketing million-dollar bonuses has convinced the public that no one cares."

Glenn Beck seems to care and that's why his ratings are now challenging the godfather of cable, Bill O'Reilly.

I ask if he fears being transformed into another "Lonesome Rhodes," the politically corrupted main character in Budd Schulberg's classic film, "A Face in the Crowd"? Beck tells me I am not the first to warn of such a possibility. He says he isn't worried about yielding to that temptation. Beck believes in God and doesn't think government is Him. And he's going to his son's ball game the next day.

That explains Glenn Beck. Any questions?

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Victoria
"You can't be serious. Have you read the Founding Fathers?"

Apparently more than you. The founding documents of our country do not contain a single biblical reference, not one.

Despite the fact that every Founder almost certainly believed in God:

No Founder ever stated that he believed in the divinity of Christ. Not one. Not ever.

No Founder ever expressed a belief in the inerrancy of the Bible. Not one. Not ever.

You are confusing belief in God with the fundamentalist Christianity of today, and further, confusing belief in God with basing a government on the Bible.

Apollo
Your quote. "Tying liberty to a mystical world of gods and angels is the surest way to make it leave this world."

You can't be serious. Have you read the Founding Fathers? American history? And I don't mean the revised garbage that passes for history in the public schools today.

There would be no liberty in this country if it had not been founded on Biblical principles. It's because of Christianity that we have the freedoms that we do. We are a Republic, not a pure democracy. Our rights were given to us by God. That's why the government can't take them away, although this administration and the strange people it has appointed are sure giving it a try.

If liberals such as atheists and the ACLU were to succeed to running God our of America (they won't), it will become a different country, and one the Founders would not recognize.


Beck's Research
Since I've started watching Beck, I've been doing some research on Obama's players, czars and their corresponding networks. Check out - DiscovertheNetworks.org - They're all there: Ayers, Jeff Jones, Andy Stern, Mark Lloyd etc. and the connections lead you to only one conclusion: there IS a larger plan at work here!

Beck - Insane? Drug Addled?
Whether Glenn Beck's Mormonism has unhinged him from reality or whether his previous drug use has addled his brain is irrelevant. The only question is "Is he right?"

Is ACORN a dangerous and corrupt organization?

Are Obama's legions of czars united by a common statist philosophy?

Are the vast majority of Obama's friends and associates virulent haters of free markets?

Is Progressivism the American fascism?

If the answers to any of these questions is "Yes" then Glenn Beck's sanity is the least of our problems.

Personally, I don't like his clowning, his over the top emotionalism or his religiosity but it's hard to deny that it was his shows that helped inspire the Sep 12th demonstrations. He got people to think about freedom and the relation of individuals to the state more than anyone else.

While Beck continues to communicate facts and ideas and continues to oppose the statist trends in America he is doing us a great service.

However, Beck has said, many times, "I believe things that I will never say, but I will never say things that I don't believe". It is the unspoken beliefs that I worry about.

My fear regarding Beck is when he says that we "will see miracles". If these words portend some kind of religious "reawakening" led by him then we will have even worse problems than we have today.

Tying liberty to a mystical world of gods and angels is the surest way to make it leave this world.

Corruption on both sides
The public is furious at the corruption on both sides and in the media that is supposed to help protect us. The titans of industry and business on Wall Street have completely co-opted the regulators that are supposed to monitor them and protect the public. The Congress has no interest in the people but pay attention only to the special interests that pay their campaign costs and the whole mess is driving the US over the cliff. Glenn Beck is one man, unless we all wake up and force back the tide of corruption and retake both houses for the people then we all are toast. Obama is the flashpoint to the last grab for total Government control that is going to bury us if we don't take action now.

Sometimes right, always scripted
Beck, Rush, Maddow, Olberman et al are products. Their "opinions" are given to them by network producers. Their job, whether on the right or the left, is to keep us in front of our TV's, watching them. For big profits. This isn't rocket science, kids.

http://saveourrepublic.blogtownhall.com/

http://www.cafepress.com/totherepublic

Beck understands the corruption
The only difference between the democrats and republicans is whose friends get to buy a new Beemer.

Both sides have been playing the american taxpayers for fools for about the last 16 years.

Beck is drawing fire from everyone because both sides need to be cleaned out.

Go Glen Go!!!!!

Beck exreme but right
I am a liberal but I do agree with beck on a lot of things I also like he puts those thing in the spot light. beck is like me tell them which side the bear stands on, but be careful beck you may turn off your fans. Please don't be hypocritical like some members of your party are. liberals do not have the right to disrespect you like you don't have to right to disrespect them ether. I love Ideas, but I think some of the ideas of both party's are stupid. Even you guys have good ideas so don't count yourselves out yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beck is better than O'Reilly...
--
...and it's clear to me why this is so.

Beck approaches almost every aspect of statist (government-worshiping) stupidity, incompetence, fraudulence, and power-lust with absolutely no reluctance whatsoever.

Just about every time he spots a sacred cow, his objective is clear: hamburger time.

O'Reilly is too much the Republican. O'Reilly doesn't think that the government should be limited as long as the "right people" are running the machinery.

You get from Beck instead the sense that he will happily slaughter O'Reilly's most precious pets and serve 'em up for dog food if that's what it takes to knock the government down to size.

I say "almost" about Beck because he's clearly not got his head wrapped around anything but the neocon vision of U.S. military hegemony, and therefore he's deep into support of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan despite the fact that both are being run by the same bloody fools - Republican and Democrat - whose "bipartisan" efforts drove the U.S. economy into ruination.

Little hint, guys.

If they can't run the SEC, they can't run the Defense Department, either.

Worse, if they can't keep an eye on what's going on at the headquarters of the Federal Reserve (which is located a couple of blocks from the Lincoln Monument), how the hell are they going to tell what the Taliban are planning in Tora Bora?

When you've got thumb-fingered idiots occupying the decision-making positions in the federal government, better you pull from them the ability to make ANY decisions whatsoever.

William in WA
Several times in this thread you claim that because Beck is a Morman that he is not a Christian. You really need to get out more, dude. Have you ever been to a Morman temple or read the Morman Bible? What do you think that The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints means? Last time I checked, Christian Churches worshiped Jesus Christ (hence Christian Church). Morman = JCLDS = Christian.
Is that easy enough for you to understand?

What a Maroon!

I can explain Beck
When somebody smokes pot, no big deal. But when they smoke pot every day for 15 years, then you have a problem. Then when they snort coke and drink themselves into a stupor, you can't ignore the obvious outcome.

This guy is the least stable person on TV today. Funny how Cons will still watch/listen to this former pot-head, then tell you that only Liberals do drugs. Limbaugh? GWB? Now BecKKK?

What progressivism are you talking about
K.G.
Location: CA
Reply # 7
Date: Sep 25, 2009 - 12:55 PM EST
Brian: You Are a Romantic Loon....
...if you believe progressivism can work

Brian: I am explaining two points of view and how two different people have come to it. Obama embraced Liberal Theology as a community organizer (so did Van Jones for what it is worth), but grew out of it as he realized its limitations. Jeremiah can be a "prophet" all he wants but the fact is he is an outsider looking in. He can create a lot of fire. He can't govern. He can't create things. He cannot really solve problems. Even if he were effective at diagnosing problems he doesn't have the skills to solve them.

The question is how to apply our core principles to what we do. It is not take a mental giant to determine the limits of policy. Obama can set up policies that support access. He cannot reverse the past or make what is unequal equal. Also, he can make certain that wealth is not rewarded at a higher rate then work. He can make certain that generational wealth and generational poverty is not institutionalized. He can make certain that children don't suffer too harshly the flaws of the parents. He can make certain that those who work hard but take a risk have a minimal level of safety net to help them with bare necessities. These things must be balanced of course with the need to avoid penalizing creativity and success. It also must protect the rights of citizens (private property, upholding contracts, and rewards for saving).

Hmmmm.
sandy
Location: TX
Reply # 1
Date: Sep 25, 2009 - 6:43 PM EST
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I think Beck has his eyes opened like the
much of the country needs to do.

One question. Why is it ok for Obama to say the word racist (about the police department) but no one can say it about him?

Brian: It's not OK for Obama to call the Cambridge police dept. racist. He did not call the Cambridge police dept. racist. He said that the police department acted stupidly for arresting a man in his own home, after he had proven that he lives there.

Beck's calling the President a racist is ignorant for a number of reason. It shows he doesn't really understand the word.

Ads pulled from Beck's show

I think Beck has his eyes opened like the
much of the country needs to do.

One question. Why is it ok for Obama to say the word racist (about the police department) but no one can say it about him?
It's very complex according to the left, yet to the right it's so simple. If the Obama supporters would try to open their eyes and see what a double standard is going on maybe some issues could talked about reasonably. You seem to get very upset when someone calls you on it and then the "attack" begins.

Example: Mr. Lloyd said that white people need to step down so that black people can be in positions with power.

WHAT!!!!!

If a white person in office said the same about a black person please be honest and admit they would be gone the next day.

Example: If a white person in office said a white person knew how to relate better than a old Mexican, don't be afraid, you can admit it, they would they out the next day.

It is wrong to say it no matter what color you are but it only seems to be wrong for the conservatives.

I will not buy any products or visit any stores that pulled their ads from Beck's show.

Keep up the good work all you great conservative columnist.


K G in California. I see the
answer now. Get in touch with Issa in order to find how best to publicize your situation. I think it likely that he will urge you to turn yourself into the authorities (figuratively set yourself on fire, eh) and demand punishment for breaking the law.

K G in California. It is plain that
you need to move soonest to Maricopa Co., AZ where Sheriff Joe A. can take care of your problem employees.

But really, you cannot be as helpless as you state. For example, what law provides that you will send money to the Social Security system that will never be paid to anyone? Because, as you say, you have a number and a name that do not appear in Federal records.

Does Darrell Issa know about this? Does Michele Bachmann?

And do not ever say that I voted for a system that allows wrongdoing and that you tolerate because you are afraid to take your issue to a legal authority for a judgment.

William: YOU turn yourself in to the...
nearest loony bin.

Of course, we do not knowingly hire illegals. Now, are their papers legit? Some we know are; they have been citizens for many years through old amnesty programs. Others? Who knows? We run their SS# through the feds. The numbers do not match up.

However, we are expressly told: Do not fire them.

Citizens have NO control what goes on in the social service agencies. NONE! They are like ACORN, facilitating all kinds of shenanigans for their "compadres."

That's exactly my point. Notions of "economic justice" sucks $$ from taxpayers into the big black hole of government, where there is virtually NO accountability.

Government is a cesspool of corruption, fed by the $$ of honest, hardworking Americans.

I don't "countenance" any of this stuff. There is NOTHING I can do to stop it---as long as there are folks like you who keep voting for it.

K G in California. You
have publicized here that you have employees that are undocumented aliens with false papers and that you know that. And that you have countenanced their receiving State aid.

Is it not so that your actions are illegal?

You may get leniency if you turn yourself in?

Brian: You Are a Romantic Loon....
...if you believe progressivism can work. You're from CA, dude. We see how proud progressive policies have turned Cacafornia into a pile of poo.

The Founders knew all about human nature. Look what happened in Hawaii. Linda Lingo (R) fought for universal health care for kids. Yup, you guessed it. Even the parents with insurance put their kids on the "free" state program.

And how long did it take to go belly up? Seven...count 'em...seven months. People wanting freebies destroyed the system.

Same thing here in CA. We offer Kaiser to our employees. It's good, but the prices went up, requiring our employees to pay $40 per month per kid. Oh no. They are not going to pay that.

They lie about their marital status (married in Mexico) and their income. They got their kids on Cali's Healthy Families. Now this bluest of blue states is broke and the kids got kicked off the state program.

However, we cannot renew our Kaiser contract until June. The poor kids are uninsured until June.

This is just one of the millions of problems created by socialism. It just won't work. It might have worked OK for a while, but those dang chickens are all coming home to roost.

Because of proud progressive policies we will probably lose our business of 35 years. Then 150 people can all go on Section 8 housing, WIC, Healthy Families--all on YOUR dime, for a change.

Until the whole dang system comes crashing down, which it is a as we speak.

As Lord Acton said: "Socialism means slavery."

I'd like to see Beck's lodge pole!!!
White brother Beck has taken many scalps and more to come!!! Hee hee.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!

Book Cover Cements Lunatic Fringe Image
If the purpose of Glenn's book cover is to make himself appear as whacked out as Cindy Sheehan, it's a roaring success.



USMC Lt in Utah. Let us agree that
you are free to believe whatever your heart tells you is true. But you cannot find anywhere in the King James Bible that provides room for another Prophet named Joseph Smith. In fact, it says clearly that Jesus Christ is the Word (as in last Word).

At issue, small possibly but real nonetheless: if Cal Thomas is a Christian and if he ends up in Heaven, he will not see Glenn Beck there. So why is he letting Glenn Beck stand on his shoulders?

And if any on this thread are Christians, why do they not follow the proscription against false Prophets?

Rowly in Georgia. You let your animosity cloud your mind. President Obama has attended a Christian church for many years and does so now in a different city. Membership in Christian churches requires affirmation of certain beliefs and values. A belief in any of the several Islamic religious precepts cannot be held by a Christian. Perhaps you've noticed that you can't be a Moslem and be a Christian for the same reasons that you can't be a Mormon and be a Christian.

Alex in Utah. Let everyone
give you hard working, patriotic, etc. Let us give you a higher than average teen suicide rate in the greater Salt Lake City area.

But let not your heart understand that you can be a Mormon and a Christian at the same time.

Some people think Obama thinks . . .
he is a Messiah, or that his followers think he is a Messiah. This is mostly untrue. The idea of a Messiah or a redeemer however is not really a singular experience. In the Bible, a Messiah or a redeemer is a type as well as an individual. There is one Messiah (Jesus Christ) but there are many messiahs (leaders like Moses who lead us forward). A messiah is simply a kingly type figure that brings justice, set things right, and brings peace. We can all do this on a small scale. This does not mean that we need to be blinded to the reality of our own limitations. If you don't understand this concept however you will never understand Obama's language or the people who are looking for a leader. When MLK (a baptist minister) spoke in Selma he was referring to this meme. He was playing the part of a type (Moses) "I have been to the top of the mountain. I have seen the promised land". It is a good sentiment. It does not mean that we don't need a higher power or a greater redemption.

The idea that Obama believes in "redistribution" in mass is also partially false. It's also not true that he seeks reparations. A marginal tax increase for the wealthiest Americans is not Marxism. The principle however is there rooted in liberation theology. The idea is equal access to opportunity. The idea is that everyone can achieve the highest success based on his abilities. It is not equal pay for work, but rather equal pay for equal work. It's a moderate approach to social justice.

Hal - get a real job
Hal - Please go find a real job. Then and only then, will you begin to get a glimpse of what a "real" American is all about. Sitting on your arse typing your dribble all day does not constitute as being a productive member of society. That goes for the rest of you interlopers. Leave us alone. You're of no use to real Americans. You know who you are.

Brian
Barry the Empty is the very personification of black Liberation Theology, as implemented by the political philosophy of inner city Democrats. He says all kinds of beautiful things. What he does speaks so loudly i do not hear his words.

As evidence i refer to your post, which states that "the only means .. for social justice..is the redistribution of wealth" is an example of something ugly. So true true true. Every move Barry has made is an attempt to achieve this goal. He will fail, of course. Just can't be done. The young and poor will suffer most. This is social justice, because these are the people who voted for him in highest percentage.

Glenn Beck
Glenn is a modern-day hero. Just when I was becoming sick of listening to many Conservatives because of their lack of wisdom in seeing exactly what is happening to our great nation, and consequently, their refusal to speak up and speak loudly, here comes Beck!
I thank God for this man who is "blowing the trumpet" loud and clear to warn Americans of what is happening and what is coming if we do not do something NOW!.
Certainly, it is nicer to believe all is well and to concentrate on the finer things in life, but we no longer have that option.

KG #256
Spot-on!

All religions have memes. . .
Memes are essentially idea that drive the mind. They shape the worldview in ways that determine the interpretation of everything else. The degree we are transfixed by these memes determines to a greater or lesser degree our ability to see things from another person's view. They determine the degree to which we can accept another person's viewpoint as valid even though it might be different.

Each religion has a set of memes that can be very good and a set that can be very bad. The degree we latch on to one or another is determined more by reason then temperament. The Catholics, The Protestant, The Black Liberation Theologian, the Mormon and the Humanist all hold a set of beliefs that can be very beneficial to society. There is also a strain in each that can been misused and turned into something ugly. Examples of ugliness are the belief that anglo saxons are a superior race for instance is an ugly meme. Another is the belief that the only means left for social justice is the redistribution of wealth. Beck is falling into a very dangerous position in the tradition of some very ugly Mormon teachings. The Mormon faith itself can be quite beneficial and good to be sure. But Beck's is bordering on the irrational.

Black liberation theology has a great deal of positive beliefs and some that are not so much. Rev. Wright for instance at it's best took up the meme of prophet Jeremiah which said the nation is heading for judgment if it does not repent and change its ways. The darker side of course has been on full display as well with the suggestion that whites or Jews are responsible for a lack of progress for poor blacks. It exploits the victimization of blacks. It falls back onto the unfortunate meme promoted by Jesse and Al. Obama has largely left this type of thinking behind him.

@ Alex part 2
According to Mormonism, Jesus was born after the heavenly father had physical intercourse with her. Apostle Owen Pratt- "“The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father"

According to Mormonism, He is the brother of Satan. "It is the Devil, the mighty Lucifer, the great prince of the angels, and the brother of Jesus." Journal of Discourses

According to Mormonism, Christ sacrifice is not sufficient for the forgiveness of some sins. MD pg 92 "“But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins." The Bible teaches Christ atonement is the ONLY thing that removes the penalty of sin.

BTW - The Biblical test of a prophet is 100% accuracy. Smith prophesied that if the US gov't didn't right the wrongs against the LDS saints in Missouri, it would be destroyed within a few years. It wasn't...Smith failed the prophet test. He also said there were men on the moon who dressed like Quakers and lived to be 1000. If you don't believe that, why do you believe his story of the golden tablets?

@ Alex...
who said "I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka "Mormons"). As a result, I also happen to be Christian in every true sense of the word."

Sorry - but no. The Christ you follow is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

The Bible teaches there is one God. Joesph Smith taught ""In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it," Journal of Discourses

According to Mormonism, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's." D&C. According to the Bible, God is Spirit.

In fact, Joseph Smith taught that God is an exalted man - ""God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." Journal of Discourses) The Bible teaches that God is eternal and men are His creation. Men do not become gods...that is blasphemy.


BO, Progressivism and Liberation
...theology.

During the campaign Hillary pronounced herself a "proud progressive in the early 20th century tradition." Indeed progressivism has been around for 100 years, striving to take over the country. TR did a good job instituting it as did Wilson, FDR and LJ.

The battle fought between right and left on college campuses during the '60's was won by the latter. It would be amazing if BHO were not a hard-core progressive ideologue.

Black lib theology, of course, teaches that all things rich, white, exploiting and "European" should now be put in its rightful place: under the heel of all things poor, colored, exploited and African/Latin American.

BUT....does that differ so much from your garden variety radical progressivism? How much additional influence did Wright have on Obama that he didn't get from his leftist mother and grandfather, Frank Marshall Davis, his marxist profressors, Bill Ayers, et al?

What we do know is that Beck's mission is to preserve our freedoms by preserving the Constitution. Obama's is to secure economic equality, redistribution and reparations by circumventing it.

The problem is that circumventing the Constitution impinges on our God-given natural rights. The taking of our natural rights is by definition ungodly and therefore an evil.

In ObamaWorld, adhering to the Constitution as intended by the Founders is evil because it doesn't allow for redistribution.

However, Thomas Jefferson said: "I predict fugure happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretnese of taking cre of them."

The Founders understood the dangers of human nature; proud progressives do not--and that is a huge problem Beck is fighting to correct.



Lilly wrong on many levels
First, the peanut firm you referred to was subject to FDA regulations and inspections. Thus, the example you gave is an example of the failure of your beloved government regulators to protect the public. Even in the aftermath, it's private insurance and the court system that will provide the remedies, not the regulatory bureaucracy.

Second, an example of a specific human failure has nothing whatsoever to do with a nation's economy failing due to laissez-faire. Nothing.

Third, all human systems are imperfect. Laissez-faire doesn't create perfection - it need only be superior to known alternative economic systems, which it clearly is. No other economic system can hold a candle to the free market when it comes to improving the lives of the ordinary citizen. It's no coincidence that the freest economies in the world are the most prosperous, while the least free economies are the poorest.

Fourth, do you think there's no problem with tainted food in communist China?

Fifth, do you think socialist leaders and bureaucrats aren't motivated by greed? Every breath of air you take is greedy and leaves that much less for every other living organism.

Brian: I Tried to Find the Salon article
It seems they have taken it down. I see it relates to Skousen, and his "5000-year Leap." Beck has been clear (I believe), that this book has informed his thinking.

For those who don't know, Mormons believe in the freedom to express one's God-given free agency. Many US Mormons believe as did the Founders that the US Constitution was inspired by the Hand of God to guarantee our God-given rights. Some therefore conclude that those forces which impinge on the rights given to all men by Nature and Nature's God come from so source other than God, if you get my drift.

Ergo, many Mormons are passionate about protecting and defending the Constitution. Beck is one of them.

RE: William
You should not talk about what you don't understand. Maybe I can educate you a little on Glenn Beck's (and my) faith.

I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka "Mormons"). As a result, I also happen to be Christian in every true sense of the word. I know that Jesus Christ is my Saviour, and the Saviour of all who will truly accept Him and follow His teachings. I believe He is the Son of God.

I also believe that God loves His children now just as much as He did during the time of the Bible. Because He loves us, He will give us the same blessings as he did to them, if we are faithful. This includes calling a prophet to guide us. I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet. I do not believe he was deity in any way. We do not worship him in any way because he was just a man.

I do not fault you for what you have said about Mormons. There are many misconceptions out there about the faith, and without hearing the information from the source it can be easy to believe anything we hear. I think your intentions were good and do not wish to be your enemy. I know we don't agree on everything, but next time before tearing into a group of people, please research them first. You may just find that they are actually a group of good, hard working, patriotic, and Christian people.

Beck,Obama & Religion
I know Beck is a Mormon. He converted a few years ago. It has nothing to do with what he is doing now to try to save us from the left's plans to take control of the country.

I am not sure about Obama and what he believes. Black Liberation Theology? Just what does that entail? What do they believe? Is it Islam? Like Farrahkan and his goons? If so,it has EVERYTHING to do with what he is trying to do with our country.

balanced said Sep 24, 2009 - 4:30 AM
"In fact, they're pretty loud. They are busy stalling and killing health reform, though, and don't have the time Beck does.

"And, the reason the righties are louder than the lefties is that the lefties are actually trying to accomplish something."


First, in search of truth ala Beck, why do Liberals start from the premise that health must be reformed? If there are problems with heath why can't we deal solely with those specific problems? Why the need for radical reform? And, if I am not mistaken, the issue was HEALTHCARE; when that failed lift-off it became HEALTHCARE INSURANCE; and now it has morfed into simply HEALTH according to UN-balanced. Part of the problem is that the Liberals keep changing the goal posts. But it is always the Conservatives that attempt to define the issue and always the Liberals that ignore facts.

Second, why do Liberals always mistake "trying to accomplish something" with doing something constructive? It is always so much easier to tear something down than it is to build something up. The question should be, "Is destroying healthcare as we know it today constructive?"

It always goes back to the central premise of health being a right. Is health an individual right? Or is health an individual responsibility?

If you want to understand Beck. . .
this is the best piece. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/ index.html

This is a touchy subject and I don't know how to best address it but the fact is that some religion does shape one's worldview in such profound ways that it needs to be explored. Barack Obama's religion for instance was steeped in Black Liberation Theology. The black church do to it's history of slavery pictures itself as a nation in bondage needing redemption and yes leaders like Moses to move them from bondage to peace. If you don't understand this you won't understand Obama. It does not mean that success needs to be taken from others. It does not mean that there needs to be hatred of others. It simply means that in the process of redemption we must have a process of incredible change. It is the language of progress. It is a language that does not embrace incrementalism. The upside is idealism. The downside is the occasional lack of personal responsibility and some difficulties with pragmatism.

Beck's language of Mormonism is the language of America being the new Israel. With some good ideas there are some bad. Dominionism, does occasionally venture into a type of racism. The idea is that there is one worldview that is correct and others are false and evil. It is the belief that God has blessed one group to the exclusion of others. Both perspectives have their upsides and downsides. Neither Obama nor Beck is entirely stuck in their unique perspectives. The difference is that Obama is working towards a moderation of his and Beck seems to be becoming more convinced that his view is the only correct one.

Lester -- bless his little fart!
Have you ever noticed how certain libs have to type their posts IN ALL CAPS? It;s the equivalent of being in a small room and being unable (unstable) to carry out a reasonable conversation without SCREAMING!

Poor guy's got real problems with Low Self Esteem, compounded by the fact that he doesn't know what he's talking about, hence, the reason he shouts!

It's been over an hour
since I challenged William the Californicate loudmouth to tell me about my church and he's a no show.
Figures, hes's a typical lib know it all. Doesn't know shiit about what he claims to be an expert on.

He must be related to Wobbie.

lester the loser
as others have posted in the past. There is a placve where you can get the help and get off your knees and quit collecting the dna from the acorn thug infewsting the oval office

Just click on Iwannastopsuckingthemessiahsdick.com.

Help is available and you can again learn to walk upright once again

To Lester. . .
You blurt, with typical leftist spite, "CONSERVATISM BY DEFINITION BRAZEN HYPOCRISY."

This foaming at the mouth is what conservatives have come to expect from your ilk, and is typical of the emotionally overwrought, non-factual outbust that the left substitutes for rational thought. Rejoice that you have a president who looks at America through the spiteful lens you do, and lick your collective chops as you plot the looting of America, the abandonment of our friends, and the advancement of your collectivist agenda of social leveling and demolition of our socio-political compact--the US Constitution.

Hopefully conservative leaders will arise who can hold your leftist violations of the Constitution to a level that allows our country to survive without a massive upheaval. Your kind is used to flipping America the bird while we respect your Constitutional right to express your views. Now that you have a radical regime in power, however, you're running roughshod over every tradition and Constitutional limitation. This will not be allowed to go on forever--let's hope 2010 pins your ears back politically. If ACORN and club-wielding Black Panthers trample free elections in the dirt at that point, things will get *extremely* tense.

Your kind is famous over the last 40 years for shouting invective from the mob, but you rarely confront us conservatives singly, in person. Why not? Gutless cowards didn't build this country, they've simply drained it of much of our world-famous vitality. You're tolerated best when you don't grab our wallets to freeload your way through life.

You loathe this country, its history, its traditions, its founding principles, its achievements, its prosperity, its influence in the world, its society, is economy, its military. So, why not just GO AWAY?????

Rush Limbaugh
On the Jay Leno Show....NOW!!!!

MAINGUY
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS. UNLESS YOU'RE IN
DENIAL HE SAID OBAMA HAS A PROBLEM WITH WHITE
PEOPLE. EVEN ELIZABETH HASSLEBECK A CONSERVATIVE
TOOK HIM TO THE WOODSHED FOR MAKING SUCH AN
OUTRAGEOUS ACCUSATION.

WHEN MARK BUERHLE PITCHED A PERFECT GAME,
OBAMA CALLED MR BUERHLE AND CONGRATULATED
HIM FOR THIS AMAZING FEAT.

OH BY THE WAY, MARK BUERHLE IS A CAUCASIAN.

CONSERVATISM BY DEFINITION BRAZEN HYPOCRISY.

lester
Dumbest post of the day is yours 9:32 PM


lester
please tell me where, with quotes, Glen Beck is a race baiter.
Kirk

CAL THE ENABLER
WELL CAL:

IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT YOU MINGLE WITH RACE BAITERS. IF GLENNIE BECK IS NOT A RACE INFLAMER,
THEN NEITHER IS AL SHARPTON OR JESSE JACKSON.

IF A NON-LIBERAL MENTIONS HIS RELIGIOUS VIEWS
AND HIS OR HER LOVE FOR PURITAN(BY YOUR STANDARDS) PROGRAMMING, ALL IS WELL.

THANKS FOR SHOWING YOUR TRUE COLOURS(NO PUN
INTENDED) CAL.

CONSERVATISM BY DEFINITION BRAZEN HYPOCRISY.

Gyro 00
Oops, I meant Gyro 99, really I did.

Gyro 00
Assuming everything else you say is true and he is only trying to unite non-liberals, that still means he's reaching out to 80% of the American public, ie conservatives, independents, moderates, even democrats. Even now fewer people will admit to being liberals than conservatives (34 to 20).

Speaking of statistics, why are people more willing to say they are conservatives that Republicans but would rather be Democrats than liberals?

Are you surprised about that
Impact says "Liberals MUST Lie" then tells about the frog segment on Becks show.


So my question to is are you surprised about that Impact?
After all, it was liberals that made a HUGE deal of the "Racist" in the white shirt at the 9-12 rally carrying a rifle strapped across his back. They even took a close up shot of his white shirt and the rifle while proclaiming what a racist he must be.

But it was a whole new story when a Fox News cameraman also showed the same guy from a wider angle and surprise, surprise, the "Racist" with the rifle turns out to be a VERY BLACK man.

What a surprise to catch the libs lying again, on a national newscast.

Anne
I have read a few of W.of W.'s posts and he reminds me of someone else. Can't put my finger on it,though. He must do nothing but read posts and refute them. He has dozens on every thread.

If he is not a retread,he is surely a hired agitator. NO One would do all that unless they're getting paid or is a Soros troll.

Hey William in Washington
From reading several of your posts I see that you think you know a lot about the Mormon religion.
So why don't you tell me everything you know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and all its members. I've got two minutes to spare so go ahead and educate me about MY church.

oops
anti-capitalist indoctrination

oops
anti-capitalist indoctrination

Anti-Capitalization Indoctrination
More School Indoctrination
http://www.storyofstuff.com/

Glenn Beck had this movie on his website this week. It is an anti-capitalist video which is being shown in schools. Made by the Tides Foundation,a George Soros co.

Liberals MUST Lie
Beck showed a clip that was being played on liberal sites about the frog in boiling water. The liberals stopped the clip one sentence short of Beck making it clear it was a rubber frog. They just had to lie to make him look like he tortured small animals.

Liberals a mostly useful idiots, but at the top, they are pure evil. They make it up as they need it.

K.G.: You're absolutely right...

When we forget what the Founding Fathers intended (which the lift have obviously done, if the knew at all!!!) we lose what the Founding Fathers gave us.

And the Founding Fathers gave us our CONSTITUTION... which we need to get back to... IMMEDIATELY!


(p.s. Just ignore whackey william in WAWA... He's not worth the time or effort. And no doubt he doesn't even know what the Constitution is, much less have read it.)


Glenn Beck speaks for the people...
And by people, I mean the old, the uneducated, the rural, and white. He has his niche and he plays to it very effectively.

Glenn Beck is not:

1) A patriot. Shepard Smith calls his studio the "fear chamber". He specializes in stoking fears so he can make money. That is all. Some speculate that he doesn't really believe the outrageous things he says. Who really knows?

2) A Uniter. Doesn't he think liberals are Americans too? His entire "act" is predicated on trashing liberals in the strongest possible language. How can he bring Americans together under those circumstances? He cannot. He can only unite a small sliver of the old, the uneducated, the rural, and the white.

Let's be honest. Isn't Beck really just a demagogue? A man who incites fear and hatred for his own benefits.

Yes, I think so.

KG in California. The Founders have no
roll [sic] to play here, but you are being rolled by Beck and some who teach him his text.

The Founders' schools taught "In Adam's Fall Sinned We All" and gave up entirely when the central European people began to fill up certain cities. That's when public schools began, you know. Socialism, dag nab it.

The Founders' schools enforced pc thinking with a club.

"arms alone a free country does not make" is not a song that Republicans can sing well. Let us remember the military/industrial complex; let us remember an elderly American president, overweight, voice quavering "Mr Gorbachev, take down this wall" because he had behind him a mighty engine of war purchased on credit.

Cal Thomas Explained
Yes, life was different back when Red Skelton and Edward R. Morrow frequented the TV airwaves(although Morrow was hotly critized by conservatives for taking on Joe McCarthy's Red Baiting abuses in his "See It Now" program). I guess Beck and Thomas have pardoned Morrow for these past sins. Life was simpler, we had the Soviet Union and Communism to hate and fear, minorities and women knew their places, gas was cheap, the American auto industry had no rivals, U.S. banking and finance were regulated with protections put into place after the financial meltdown from wild speculation in the 20s that lead to the Great Depression, American workers were actually making real and solid wage and salary gains as American industry and productivity grew, and fiscal Conservatives never would have gone to war without paying for it (instead of off-the-budget spending for wars in Iraq and Afganistan)). Many commenters here say that liberals hate facts. Yes truth does hurt, to the Left...and the Right. But Cal Thomas and Glen Beck are more about nostalgia. We can't go back to the way things were, to a time or place in the country (real or imagined) that we feel was more to our liking. It's the 21st Century. Get over it.

Glenn Beck and George Washington Would..
...absolutely love each other. They stand for the same thing: Pledging their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure the blessings of liberty for themselves and their posterity.

Now, did GW put way more on the line that GB? Of course. But did the Founders make such a pledge so we could just flush what they fought for down the tah-let?

Or let anti-Constitutional ideologues flush our Founding Principles down the drain for us, while we stand by and watch?

Yes, GW bore arms in our defense. But arms alone a free country does not make. Citizens must be armed with true principles.

Don't forget. The Founders taught that children should attend school first and formost to learn about the Constitution.

So-called journalists are supposed to keep us all honest by reporting the truth. LOL with that one. Nature hates a vacuum; enter GB (and others) stage right.

They are becoming increasingly front and center as more and more citizens come to their senses.

Who knows what roll the Founders are playing in all of this? I say they are Beck's biggest cheer leaders.


Nothing is more powerfull than the TRUTH
Glenn Beck does his homework and tells it like it is.

Liberals, Communists and Progressives can't stand that so they make personal attacks or just plain lie.

We are beginning to see how corrupt Obama really is. He came out of Chicago and ACORN corruption and has surrounded himself with corrupt people.

He is a Communist who tries to paint himself as a moderate. He says one thing, then proceeds to do just the opposite.

Is that the kind of "Hope and Change" you liberal nut-jobs were looking for when you voted for him?

Lilly and sophists and Hal, oh my!
(Apologies to Judy Garland and the Wizard of Oz.) I never cease to be amazed at how long it takes some people to learn not to engage deliberately irrational sophists. Don't you "conservative" posters get it? Hal, Lilly, et ilk don't want to learn, and they don't want to seek truth and understand the universe around us. They merely like to stir the argument pot to call attention to themselves and hear their own teeth rattle. TH talk strings would be a lot more interesting if everybody completely ignored the lib trolls. Try it, you might like it!
Among others, Jesus and John Brown were POLARIZERS. And they were both murdered by neo-feudalistic "establishments" for their trouble.
Self-ownership is non-negotiable. "Compromise" and faux-benign "reasonableness" are not needed when dealing with anti-self-ownership flat-world collectivists and centralists. Fascism/socialism needs to be POLARIZED so we can get on with Civil War ver 2.0 and restore a culture of self-ownership, individual freedom, decentralization (self-sufficiency), and the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, never in the history have the tyrant-minded Big Brother control-freak anti-self-ownership collectivists and totalitarians capitulated peacefully. Why expect them to this time, just because it's 2009 A.D. and the Internet is making it a little harder for them to enforce their scams?

Remember only 56 American Patriots

Remember only 56 American Patriots led a revolt against the most powerful 'Nation on Earth' at the time, when those Patriots signed the Declaration of Independence they put their lives and fortunes on the line.

'Lets Roll' America.


Liberals want Servitude

The primary dynamic between Liberalism (collectivism) and Conservatism (individualism) is the value and sanctity of each and every 'Individual Life'.

Individualists enjoy life with its failures, triumphs, mystery, beauty and believe they are responsible for themselves, families and every Individual decision and subsequent action they take.

Collectivists view life as a struggle against the World, Human Governments that promotes Freedom of the Individual and any Human outside of their particular 'Collective' - whether it be economic class, race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference.

Individualism and Collectivism have two things in Common, 'Responsibility and Equality'.

Personal Freedom and Liberty means 'Individual Responsibility' - Individualists welcome 'Personal Responsibility', Collectivists fear and abhor 'Personal Responsibility'.

Individualists want 'Equality' in beginnings, Collectivists want 'Equality' in outcomes.

Individualists want 'Equality' in Freedom and self determination, Collectivists want 'Equality' in restraint and servitude.

Bob C @ 6:23
I was going to add to my rebuke to Hal that it was the theater capacity at the Common Sense show, but you're right, poor Hal doesn't think beyond his ability to pick apart petty things to make an argument.

He has learned the Alinsky tactics as well as Obama has. Maybe Hal attended Obama's Alinksy's training class.


Hal
The neurotic sheep boy arrives to muddy the waters, his only weapon against the wolves.

Truth
Beck appears before the world four 4 hours each day. Everything he says and does is watched closely by America's enemies, especially the most wicked of them all in our congress and White House. They have legions of critics and censors pouring over his every word.

One mistake, one digit off, one slight misstep and Beck is done. If he were to say there were 57 states in the union, it would be 24/7 all station coverage, with congressional hearings demanding investigations and jail time.

Yet, after years of being on the line, Beck stands tall and is singlehandedly taking down the Obama machine and congress. He took out Van Jones, the head of the NEA and the whole ACORN nest of thieves. ACORN will be defunded, investigated and its ties with the IRS and census have been severed.

How is this possible? The left says all his accusations are lies. Does that mean that Obama and congress are intimidated by him so much that they allowed him to do so much damage?

Only a democrat intellectual would accept this contradiction.

Poor Evolutionary Liberals ...

They confound themselves with Lower Order beasts ...



No wonder they are comfortable lying like snakes.

God Bless Glen Beck
The truth he brings will get him close to God, and will send people like William to hell, no doubt

OH, HAL
Your're just leading me on to get into a debate with you over Glenn Beck.

Sorry Hal, I'm not going to give up Glenn for you until you become more moderate, but I'll always love you for trying.

Comrade Hal, The Communists' Pal

Comrade Hal blurts, "WHAT! Only 5,000 in Houston??? Heck there are more folks at block parties. Good grief I am amazed...how ever are you going to cope when you don't take back congress in 2010?"

Hey, Comrade Hal, it's a stage show, you idiot. 5000 was the capacity of the theater.

Communists aren't very bright.

My2--. George Washington ordered
that Quakers be taxed above others because they would not bear arms. Beck is not a Christian. George Washington was. Therefore Beck could not get near enough to Washington to say his name.

Beck has not been a soldier; he has owned nothing of consequence; he is definitely not old money. What would recommend him?

There has been some who compare Beck and O'Reilly to the detriment of O'Reilly. It seems to me that O'Reilly has heard something that directs him to hew the line, to stick closer to the truth. Beck maybe is making money too fast to hear the footsteps.

THANKS FOR GLENN BECK!
HE IS MERELY "ASKING RESONABLE QUESTIONS IN UNREASONABLE TIMES". HE HAS ASKED THE WHITE HOUSE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BUT NO ONE IS WILLING TO TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY. HE IS ASKING FOR ALL OF US! WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM. HE IS WILLING TO BE WRONG & REALLY WISHES HE WAS. BUT THE JOURNALISTS WOULD DO THEIR JOBS, MAYBE GLENN BECK WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH A BIG AUDIENCE. AFTERALL, JOURNALISTS USED TO HIDE THEIR POLITICS WHILE GIVING THE NEWS. I HAVE MORE & MORE SEEN CORRUPTION IN THE MEDIA SO THANK GOD GLENN IS ASKING ALL OF US TO LOOK, RESEARCH OURSELVES & DECIDE WHAT TO BELIEVE. NO MORE WOODWARDS & BERNSTEINS ANYMORE! NO EDW R MURROWS OUT THERE! THEY CAN'T EVEN ASK THE PRES TOUGH QUESTIONS WHEN HE IS SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. THEY WON'T DO FOLLOW UPS WHEN A QUESTION'S ANSWER BRINGS ON MORE QUESTIONS. DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT GLENN BECK, ESP IF YOU (MEDIA) CAN'T DO YOUR JOB! I, FOR ONE, AM GLAD HE IS ASKING US QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON OURSELVES.

I love Glenn Beck.
He has arrived in a time that I needed to pay more attention to what is going on in Washington. He has been a teacher, but he does ask me to do my own homework. I prefer his approach over many other conservative voices because he uses logic to explain things to me. I love the "think outside of the box" concept. I do worry, but at least I am prepared about the possible "transformation" of our country. I welcome him on my TV compared to the intrusion of Obama in a 24/7 cycle. The far left are targeting Glenn just because he has a different opinion and is getting in the way of the "agenda."

Now doof: There you AGAIN!!!

Nothing but snide little put-downs.

So typical of an elementary school yard bully who doesn't have any friends.....

And btw, that monster in the upper left hand corner of the link you provided is EXACTLY how I pictured you....


How amazing is that??? LOL





Reba
"Date: Sep 24, 2009 - 3:40 PM EST...When I watched Glen Beck's program for the first time and heard him say, "You are not alone." I knew we had found THE MAN with the American voice to take us back to our constitution and our American values.

I went to his Common Sense live show in Houston,
5,000 people showed up..."

WHAT! Only 5,000 in Houston??? Heck there are more folks at block parties. Good grief I am amazed...how ever are you going to cope when you don't take back congress in 2010?

A wish--
I wish that Lou Dobbs would come to Fox and be on right after Glenn. Together both of them could pound the he** out of the librats and the illegals and their enablers. That duo would really have the librats in a he** hole.

Beck is the Greatest,

Beck is the Greatest, at the moment at least.

John

" I would be happy to argue that artificially created need unbalances the market."

I have to ask: Just what is a "balanced" market?

John

"I can readily name any number of business and products that I don't think have much, if any value. But that obviously begs the question of who decides what has value. So while I might think that weight loss products, dietary supplements, and exercise machines have no value, someone else might. I would be happy to argue that artificially created need unbalances the market."

You are exactly right. What is of value to one person may be worthless to another. For example, there are those who gladly spend thousands of dollars to attend a Superbowl game, where I on the other hand consider such a purchase the height of stupidity.

That is precisely the reason that central planning never works in any economic paradigm, and why capitalism is so wildly successful in providing the most people with the most goods they desire.

You might want to read this:

http://mises.org/etexts/anticap.pdf

Mark in Mesa: You make a good point...

A third party is pretty tricky, and in today's day, a little scary.

But, you are right, "Beck may well be THE solution" if only because he's done more to mobilize our population than any other single person I recall.


Sister Williamette
You write:
William - 3:48 PM EST
Kenneth in Colorado. Brother
Thomas says "He believes in God and does not believe that government is Him." But he is a kind of Mormon. Mormonism requires that "Him" be a Son of God and that "Him" is Joseph Smith.
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Cal does not mention Glens Religion.
Just you

Capiche?

IT'S GLENN BECK! :-)

And guess what he's highlighting????

The video of the kids in a Burlington, NJ school... that has the children praising Obozo...

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=7952


Everybody get your chocolate pudding (Conservative porn!) and kick back.

THIS is going to be GREAT!



Beck may well be THE solution
Beck's plan to get 50-something DC congresscritters together to root out corruption and "politics as usual" is brilliant. This could (and should!) mutate into an entirely separate movement within the US political universe.

I doubt the country is really ready for a true third party (or at least it would likely be counterproductive, at least initially). But it IS ready for a "party within a party", and hopefully one that would actually include some like-minded Dems as well. With the mood of the American public right now, such a movement could virtually bankrupt the political power of BOTH parties (leaving neither with the ability to cater to their special interest groups without a virtual coalition with this new political juggernaut).

Maybe Beck doesn't get TOO involved (lest it become about him rather than reforming the US government), but he can certainly set the stage for a core group of patriotic leaders to seize the reins of power and start the long process of putting things right again (and they haven't been right for a long, long time at this point).

I'd love nothing more than to see 20 or 30 senators and a hundred house members lock arms and say "we're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it any more". They'd instantly get the proud support of a huge majority of Americans who are sick of the games in DC. They'd steamroll over their opposition (assuming they live up to the commitment to put the voters - and NOT the party - first). They could ignite a virtual revolution in DC.

Here's hoping!

John
there is a difference between Government regulated and Government Controlled.
Unfortunately today's members of Government are really erasing the lines. and that's the main problem

Bob-C
I can readily name any number of business and products that I don't think have much, if any value. But that obviously begs the question of who decides what has value. So while I might think that weight loss products, dietary supplements, and exercise machines have no value, someone else might. I would be happy to argue that artificially created need unbalances the market.

But lets look at something more measurable. This link (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994.htm) details a concept called the "Number Needed To Treat". I think it provides ample evidence that pharmaceutical companies work very hard at creating an artificial need for their products, and then influence physicians to prescribe their product.

In such a situation, regulation is indeed appropriate.


Retired Geek
you stated

Liberal: "You are against anything Obama does because he is black."

you missed "and your a racist"

A TEST FOR DEAR LILLY

.....NEWSFLASH ...

.....Some men/women are just plain evil ...whether they got there by choice or by accident is immaterial ...some of these men/women are in the Private Sector ...some work for the Government ...

....Lilly my dear, if you know of some sanctifing ritual that make hearts pure when they work for the Government then clue us in ...

.....Evil men in the Private sector can be brought to heel by the law ...evil men in the Public Sector make their own laws ...

.....Rockefeller, Vanderbilt & Morgan made a lot of money but they did not commit mass murder ...Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin & Hitler did ...

.....Now Lilly my dear comes the big one ...which of the two above groups did the most damage to mankind ...I am waiting for your answer which must be submitted in essay form ....COLOSSUS

Impossible to Debate a Liberal

1) One must first 'Educate' the Liberal about the topic being discussed.

2) Then one must deal with the Liberals 'LDD' (logic deficit disorder).

3) Facts, logic and reason cannot be used, because Liberals use 'Feelings', 'Intuition' and a reality based on their 'Perspective of Reality'.

4) Liberals use inane statements and specious arguments that are irrelevant and meaningless to anyone but them.

Debating a Liberal goes something like this.
--------------------------------------

Conservative: "Taking money from those who work hard and giving that money to the indolent who refuse to work is stealing."

Liberal: "George Bush was responsible for all Hurricanes and Natural Disasters."

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Conservative: "Barack Obama is trying to destroy 'Individual Rights' and 'Freedom of Speech'."

Liberal: "If you don't have anything good to say about Barack Obama you shouldn't say anything."

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Conservative: "The Barack Obama Doctrine of borrowing and spending to reduce debt is ludicrous."

Liberal: "You are against anything Obama does because he is black."

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Attempting to debate with a Liberal is an exercise in futility.

William
I never met George but I would have to say from what I have read of him he would have listened to him evaluated what he had to say and agree with him in some things and disagree in others. but he also would have given his reasons why

John
You are partially correct.
We have become a consumer driven society caused by a need to make a profit. At one time Products were made to last. Now products are made to be replaced. Prices go up because of greed not necessarily by the owner/producer but by the government ( value added tax)and minimum wage requirements, unions (equal pay for unequal work) if cost to make a product goes up then the price must go up to cover the extra cost. If things cost more today than yesteryear blame Government and unions. Trickle down always worked for good or bad

John

John claims, "If businesses succeeded by creating a product of value, which people purchased because it was a product of value, I would agree. But that is less and less the case."

Okay, you claim that businesses who create "products of value" are on the decline. Can you name me a couple of business which sell products of no value? Since there are many of them and increasing, you shouldn't have any problem answering that question.

Hal Donahue Huffy Puffy Idiot at large
Hal you can take your blowup dolls of Olberwoman and Matthews and go back to that den of fools and liars that you refer to as the HuffyPuffyPost. Your traitorous rants are unwelcomed here at the openly honest Townhall. At HuffyPuffy any conservative thought is censored and kicked to the street. It ranks right up there with Moveon, DailyKKKause. Hal aren't you the honarary biatch at Code Pink too???? Cheers

K.C.: Well said! Excellent!

And exactly SPOT ON!

However, you'll find that many libs can't quite grasp that concept.


My2---. But would George W have
listened to G Beck?

AloofinHim
If things were the way you describe, I would be delighted to favor less regulation. However, things are NOT as you describe.

If businesses succeeded by creating a product of value, which people purchased because it was a product of value, I would agree. But that is less and less the case. The advent of mass marketing combined with a general decline in business ethics suggests that many businesses succeed by creating demand where none existed before and then meeting that demand with products which may or may not be effective and/or safe.

The Founders were expressly AGAINST...
...collectivism:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give it those who would not."

"I predict future happiness for Americans IF they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Both quotes (and many more) from Thomas Jefferson.

The Founders, unlike the idiotic progressive ideologues, got it re: the dangers of human nature. We need a government just strong enough to protect our God-given rights, but not so strong as to be able to take them away.

Should we not then help the poor? Sure. All religions believe we have a divine mandate to do so.

But who should do it? Anybody but government. Government does not have the right to take from one and give to another simply because individuals do not have the right to take from one and give another.

If I do not have the right to break into your house, steal from your refrigerator and give to the hungry, neither does government have such a right.

Feeding the hungry must come from a free will offering in a free society.

The real numbers on cable news


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William
Washington believed first in God second in himself and his men. I don't have a state church and belong to the religion hated most by protestants. My religion was even persecuted by the KKK until the 60's when they said it was ok for them to join. I lived in the Kensington area of Philadelphia at the time and a couple of weeks after they opened their recruiting center they disappeared. Could have been caused by the accidental fire that broke out in their store front in the middle of the night.

DG
You misapprehend Lillie's point. FDA used to manage the tests which determined a drug's effectiveness and safety. Under Reagan they shifted policy so the drug companies could seek and fund their own testing for their own drugs.

So Company A wants to get a new heart medication approved, call it "heartrol". Instead of giving it to the FDA for neutral testing, Company A pays big, big bucks to someone else, say Company B, to test heartrol. Company B knows perfectly well that future huge contracts depend very much on whether heartrol is found to be safe and effective.

It's a really awful system that results in drugs being approved and marketed that are marginally effective, or less. Based on your response, you probably think the FDA is actually testing medications: you don't even realize how screwed up the system became under de-regulation.




Lilly
The reason Republicans tend to govern in a way that favors business is because business serves the people far better than govt 'programs'. Business serves the people when it makes a product the public wants and is willing to freely purchase. When business grows because its product is of good quality and is actually wanted by the people, those people hired by the business have genuine work and so genuinely contribute to society, because there is a genuine self- and public interest in continuing to produce that product. When business goes public and is traded on the NYSE, dividends are earned upon stock purchased-and your retirement/investment accounts grow as a direct result of that profitability. No gov't hack is employed because he actually produces something useful-he is merely a drone, a cog, a slot. There is no profit motive, no potential for real growth based on market increase. That's why gov't run anything is never profitable. Amtrak comes to mind!

I recently considered applying for employment in our county court system. I declined to do so when upon reading the work decription it was plain that in spite of the wage offered I would never ever be able to be more than a mere cog-no opportunity whatsoever for advancement.

Nobody is saying that the Democrats are going to be building concentration camps or anything, but it's true that whenever they are in power, we tend to lose a little more of our liberty. In Obama's case, we could lose that most precious of liberties, that of being able to manage our personal medical care as we see fit.

Crawfish

Comrade Hal says, "Really that is EXACTLY what they did when they allowed Georgia and other states to steal the land of the Cherokees. Read that history and how they took the land and farms and gave it to others. Your "redistribution" is a false battle cry"

What did I say? I knew before the day was out Comrade Hal, the communist, would claim that the founders meant for the United States to be a collectivist state.

Comrade Hal, the communist, wants you to believe that our Constitution is compatible with communism, and that communism is what our founders envisioned for America.

My2----, down there in Virginia,
would George Washington have listened to Beck?
Beck appears to believe what he says. Entertainers do not mistake what they do for reality. And they provide safety nets if due diligence reveals danger.

If he attends your stake church, you will benefit. Otherwise, very doubtful.

LIlly
In view of all the things you mentioned that are wrong with America because big government is not involved enough in the control of our lives, may I kindly advise you to start packing now and move to Canada.
Better yet, if you want a real good living experience of Socialism, perhaps you should consider a move to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. They have the two party system also,
The Socialist Party of Venezuela or the Communist Party of Venezuela.
Take your pick.

Plus, your president just loves Hugo.

Bueno!

William
Most people learn best when entertained.


Huh?

Lilly said: "...Previously, if a pharmaceutical company wanted to market a drug, its executives had to demonstrate to FDA scientists that the drug was both efficacious and safe. Reagan changed this so that companies could decide for themselves whether the drug was ready for market..."

There are reports almost daily of drug companies seeking FDA approval. Swine Flu vacinations are one.

If you go to Bloomberg . com, you can search their news for "FDA aproval", and you will get a long list.

To Bruce

Actually what Lilly didn't tell you was Reagan didn't do it. Congress mandated it under pressure from the Gay Community unwilling to wait 8 to 12 years for the FDA to approve Anti-Aids/HIV drugs.

So if anyone believes drugs are less safe today, then they should direct their anger at Liberals who lowered the testing standards.

Kenneth in Colorado. Brother
Thomas says "He believes in God and does not believe that government is Him." But he is a kind of Mormon. Mormonism requires that "Him" be a Son of God and that "Him" is Joseph Smith.

But no Founding Father believed in any such idea.

And Brother Thomas has claimed to be a Christian, thus disposed to believe the Mormonism is not a form of Christianity.

If you, there on the head of the pin and with the catch-net below, don't know which is the safe way to fall, you will not learn from an "entertainer".

Observations
Family Guy on Fox entertainment is written by a leftwing liberal who harpoons conservative ideals.

Instinctive Gesture - keep trying you just added two plus two and came up with thirtyseven in other words your statement is totally without logic or reason Beck shows the links you only insinuate

Jesus was not a christian He was a Jew. people who follow his teachings are christians

off topic
if our federal representatives are elected by voters in separate states and are supposed to represent their states why are they paid by the federal government?

The only states being represented in the Federal government at this time are the Democrats and the republicans. Neither have an interest in the people who voted for them

As for Broadcast TV I haven't watched their news cast in almost 40 years it was when I was in the service I saw how biased they were and they haven't changed one bit.

one other observation
the people who post here would have a better idea of what each side stands for if they would stop the insults and just answer each other's questions. If you disagree state why and explain your reasons for disagreeing.

Shut up John

John writes:- 3:21 PM EST
Kenneth
Your entire post is reproduced here.

"The only thing anyone should say to you is shut up dummy"

Your utter lack of any discussion, argument, evidence or thought is noted. If you represent the conservative mind at work, your fellow conservatives would do well to back-bench you out of embarassment.

Agent Crawfish
"Date: Sep 24, 2009 - 3:10 PM EST
Lilly You Glorious Twit ...
Giving veterans land in exhange for miitary service isn't a "government hand out" It's a payment for services rendered..."

Were they promised it upon enlistment?

"... To extrapolate from a land for military service program to "the founding fathers favored socialist redistribution" is so dumb it's breath-taking. Well done old girl!..."

Really that is EXACTLY what they did when they allowed Georgia and other states to steal the land of the Cherokees. Read that history and how they took the land and farms and gave it to others. Your "redistribution" is a false battle cry

To Jackpine
Do you really think that Teddy Roosevelt, for doing what you explained, and FDR, for doing the New Deal, really belong on the same list with Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler, who directly caused the death of millions? You don't think that's a little over the top? We are a two-party nation. When a Republican administration is in, we see advantage given to business. When a Democratic administration is in, we see advantage given to social programs that serve the people. Over time, the two philosophies balance each other out. Neither party is executing millions of citizens in gas chambers or killing fields. You don't think Beck is taking his schtick to a tasteless level? Kenneth posts (12:16) that Beck is "driven by his love [of} the truth". That list Beck wrote is not truthful. And, dare I ask, why is Tiger Woods on it? This is nothing but sensationalism to appeal to the vilest in American society.

correction please
"If Republicans were behaving like Republicans, perhaps there would be less perceived need for them".......

No Cal,your still not quite getting it.

Its because Republicans are acting like Republicans....what Beck is saying is, that is no longer acceptable!

GLENN BECK ROCKS !
You better believe the Left is after Beck to shut him down because he has developed a following that they can't nor will they ever be able to stop; he has hit a nerve of the Left. Momentum is building.

They'll go after Beck just as they have Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin and now Joe Wilson.

After the election last year I began wondering where the true Americans were who would stand up to the newly elected Muslim in the WH. It went down hill from there with Czars, support of globalization, lying, lying, lying, spending, spending, spending.

When I watched Glen Beck's program for the first time and heard him say, "You are not alone." I knew we had found THE MAN with the American voice to take us back to our constitution and our American values.

I went to his Common Sense live show in Houston,
5,000 people showed up. Someone yelled from the audience, "Beck for President". That may not be a possibility, but we now have a 21st century Thomas Paine. God Bless Glen Beck for standing up for our country.


To Bruce
My husband served for nearly 30 years with the FDA and retired due to illness a few years after Reagan was elected and his administration began changing the agency, so he experienced the changes that Reagan brought about and is qualified to comment on them. Previously, if a pharmaceutical company wanted to market a drug, its executives had to demonstrate to FDA scientists that the drug was both efficacious and safe. Reagan changed this so that companies could decide for themselves whether the drug was ready for market. Not surprisingly, they rushed some drugs to market and stinted on research. Regulatory agencies must be allowed to regulate as a counterbalance to Corporate America's energetic mission to show profit. The American people are best served by a partnership between business and government.

A parallel: Bush weakened FEMA, then FEMA wasn't up to the job when Katrina blew into town. Another: AMTRAK has been nearly defunded, and its rolling stock and service have deteriorated shockingly.

All of this demonstrates how "Starve the Beast" works: defund and destaff a government agency, also change the rules so that it can't do its job---then, when it fails to do its job, use that failure as evidence that government can't do anything right and move to defund it further or get rid of it entirely.



Who knew?
That proving corruption was as simple as drawing a line connecting two names on a chalkboard?

Obama - law - corruption - Soros (scary!) - ACORN

Using Geck's 'logic':

9/11 - Saudi Arabia hijackers - Saudi Royal Family - Oil - Bush

Hmm. Easy as pie. Maybe I should get my own teevee show?

Jason

Next Comrade Hal will be trying to convince you that the founding fathers actually designed the Constitution to found a collectivist state and that Comrade Hal, the communist, is just trying to return to the founders' principles of collectivism.

Kenneth
Your entire post is reproduced here.

"The only thing anyone should say to you is shut up dummy"

Your utter lack of any discussion, argument, evidence or thought is noted. If you represent the conservative mind at work, your fellow conservatives would do well to back-bench you out of embarassment.

Tinsel
Allow me to help.

On any given evening, about 24 million Americans get their news from ABC,NBC, and/or CBS. (http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2009/narrative_networktv_audience.php?cat=2&media=6#NetAudEveView)

This number represents unique viewers, as the shows run more or less concurrently. The highest rated cable news show is O'reilly, who has has about 4 million unique viewers on any given evening.

This is the point. Your columnists and posters are leading you to mistakenly conclude that Fox news is an effective counterweight to network news. It is not. It is drubbed (at least 6-1) by the scary liberal mainstream media.

William
Cal never said anything about Glen's faith in the Mormon religion.

Capiche?