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Tuesday, April 07, 2009
Cal  Thomas :: Townhall.com Columnist
Trouble in River City
by Cal Thomas
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When Meredith Willson wrote the wildly popular musical "The Music Man" half a century ago, Harold Hill proclaimed trouble had come to River City, Iowa in the form of a pool hall, which he claimed would corrupt young people unless the local citizens bought the musical instruments he was selling and got their kids into a marching band. He promised that playing music would keep kids from "fritterin' away their mealtime, suppertime, chore time, too" and going to the track to watch "some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch."

Neither Willson, nor his mythical character Hill, could have foreseen what "trouble" the Iowa Supreme Court has brought on the state (and potentially the nation) when it unanimously ruled that denying same-sex couples the right to marry "does not substantially further any important government objective," in the words of Justice Mark S. Cady, who wrote the opinion for the seven-member court.

Opponents of same-sex marriage vow to fight the ruling; but Iowa law requires a two-year process to amend the state constitution and with Democrats controlling the legislature and homosexuals a significant part of the party's base, it is unlikely the ruling will be overturned.

One must hand it to the gay rights movement. They have taken advantage of a morally exhausted nation that tolerates so many things that used to be intolerable -- from abortion, to easy divorce, to pornography. And they have attacked American traditions at their strongest points, from the military, to pressuring Disney to allow "gay days" at their amusement parks, to marriage.

The problem with the Iowa Court ruling is that it vitiates a standard that defined marriage as between two people of the opposite sex, which was God's idea, not government's (see Genesis 2:24), while failing to substitute a new standard.

If homosexual marriage is now one of two equally valid choices, will other options be available anytime soon? On HBO, a popular series called "Big Love" portrays a Mormon polygamist and his three wives (he nearly took a fourth wife this season). I wonder why this never works with a woman having three husbands? But I digress, or do I? If this man lived in Iowa and wanted three wives, how could the Iowa Supreme Court stop him? Utah was not allowed to enter the Union until it agreed to outlaw polygamy. Today, under the new "no standards" established by the Iowa Supreme Court, it would be impossible to enforce anything.

As Iowa and other courts continue to dismantle the foundations of our nation without the approval of its citizens (each time the public gets an opportunity to vote on marriage, it votes to uphold the male-female version), they have an obligation to say where they intend to take us. What is the new standard for human relationships? Or do we make this up as we go, bowing to whatever pressure group makes the most noise?

To those on the political and religious right who are intent on continuing the battle to preserve "traditional marriage" in a nation that is rapidly discarding its traditions, I would ask this question: what poses a greater threat to our remaining moral underpinnings? Is it two homosexuals living together, or is it the number of heterosexuals who are divorcing and the increasing number of children born to unmarried women, now at nearly 40 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention?

Most of those who are disturbed about same-sex marriage are not as exercised about preserving heterosexual marriage. That's because it doesn't raise money and won't get them on TV. Some preachers would rather demonize gays than oppose heterosexuals who violate their vows by divorcing, often causing harm to their children. That's because so many in their congregations have been divorced and preaching against divorce might cause some to leave and take their contributions with them.

The battle over same-sex marriage is on the way to being lost. For conservatives who still have faith in the political system to reverse the momentum, you are -- to recall Harold Hill -- "closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge."

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Cal Thomas is co-author (with Bob Beckel) of the book, "Common Ground: How to Stop the Partisan War That is Destroying America".
 
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Sack of silliness
This article is just plain silly -- of course legislators can craft laws that allow same-sex marriage without opening the door to polygamy or any other exploitative union.

There is a fine case to be made that polygamy can lead to many women and children without adequate means of support if the husband is taken out as a monetary provider. Divorce in a polygamous marriage could be an unsupportable burden to a man forced to pay alimony to many wives. That takes polygamy out of consideration by logical means, not moral principles.

Let's take this a little further, as Cal Thomas seems to by asking "Do we make this up as we go, bowing to whatever pressure group makes the most noise?" He alludes to what I've seen other anti-gay marriage commentators say out loud: if you allow gay marriage, you'll soon have people marrying animals or minors.

That's simply a sack of silliness, too -- those are exploitative relationships in which one party simply cannot reasonably give their consent.

Look, people, churches can keep any standard they wish for marriage. Nobody's going to force Saint Mary's Catholic Church to wed two women.

Let's just acknowledge that marriage has long been out of the church and in the civil society's hands. When the state first started granting marriage certificates, it meant we lived by laws of man, not of the many gods worshiped by citizens.

Bad analogy for your point
Mr. Thomas,
If you recall from the "Music Man," Professor Harold Hill was just using pool to get people to rally around him so he could fulfill his true goal: getting a boy's band in river city.

"River City ain't in any trouble."
"We're gonna have to create some. We must create a desperate need in your town for a boy's band."

In the same way, conservatives use gay marriage to rally people around for their true motive: being in power.

No preference at all please
toward homosexuals. As they have not contributed anything outstanding to civilization neither should they be regarded as worthy of esteem. They constitute a class of moral vagrants, invading the spaces built by heterosexuals who have borne the burden and heat of the day. Sympathy for homosexuals is as repugnant as the perverted acts they commit. The social progress of their life-style is like the progress of HIV. Hmmm, just a co-incidence?

cal thomas
what a well reasoned piece. I am sad to see traditional marriage go, but sadder still to see the illegitimacy issue be the worst undiscussed problem of our society.

WOW
Kudos to Cal Thomas for acknowledging the threat to stable marriage comes not from gay marriage but from destabilization of heterosexual marriage in and of itself. I have posted on other boards that linking gay marriage in Europe to the decrease of hetero marriage is a straw man argument. The decline existed well before gay marriage was instituted as law. Leave the gays out of the argument, at least some of them WANT to be married, as opposed to an increasing number of hetero's that are declining this as an option! And sadly, for the politically motivated religious right, this is a condition that cannot be alleviated by enforcing religion through government.
For the record, I am married, with son, going on 5 years.

Our Only Hope
I am convinced that our only hope is to rescue our children from the public (government) schools and raise a godly generation. Please see "Call to Dunkirk" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGZLSVph3A.

Good Iowa Folks
I have family in Iowa. They are devout Catholics, very active in their church. Both he and she served in World War II; he carries permanent disability from a combat injury. They are what Bill O'Reilly would call "the folks". Every time I have visited them there, I have been impressed by their strong social conscience, and what I hear on their local TV stations bears this out. When Immigration snatched away truckloads of illegal immigrant parents employed in meat packing plants, leaving children uncared for, Iowa church folks were outraged and flew into action to obtain care for the babies and justice for the illegal immigrant parents. Remember that Iowa isn't an unschooled backwoods---it is loaded with colleges and universities, which have a way of attracting intelligent people. Iowans have a very, very strong sense of social justice, tolerance, and fairness. I don't think you'll get very far in Iowa trying to push intolerance against gays---or anybody else.

Total members of the bar nationwide

should be limited to one per 10,000 people. That way their ignorance could be controlled and the damages it causes could be mitigated.

Supreme Court justices are supposed to be the creme dela creme of the bar. Now you know how ignorant most attorneys really are.

Same-sex sodomy is an abomination.

It is an offense to the Creator.

A society that elevates same-sex sodomy to the status of human coitus is doomed. The irrationality of such a decision is self-evident.

The saddest part is that it is the children that suffer. Of course, a sodomite or a member of the bar has little use for children except maybe as pawns to advance their perverted agendas.

Bragging rights.
My granddaughter just played Marian the Librarian at her school. She was terrific!

Of course, all I could think of was how much Harold Hill reminded me of George W.

Harold Hill
Harold Hill was a con-artist. There was no "trouble" in River City, except out of his own imagination.

There is no "trouble" in Iowa now, either. Or Vermont.

Congrats to all the newlyweds!

Let's Get It Right...
Mormons today DO NOT practice polygamy! In spite of whatever Big Love or Cal Thomas would have you believe, anyone practicing plural marriage in the Mormon Church gets on the fast track to excommunication. Polygamy is NOT sanctioned or practiced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Cal Thomas should know better!

Barney Frank
Hi Barney,
What does your husband think of this article?
You and he should move to Iowa and live a happy life.
Or maybe you two and all the other gay males should move to an island and see how long your community survives.

Semantics Aside...
All of the arguments against civil unions for same-sex couples, not to mention the arguments against homosexuality in general, when stripped of their semantical embelleshiments, boil down to one group of people wanting to make or keep illegal actions taken by another group of people because the first group disapproves of the second group or how it lives.

That door swings both ways, and if you think that just because you have 2000 years of tradition on your side you are impervious to it, try going to Saudi Arabia and founding a christian church. There are plenty of people in this world who disapprove of your way of living and their numbers are growing while yours are not. Soon enough, they may wish to declare that those who worship "false gods" also be denied the benefits of marriage.

Then you'll wish you have kept your religion to yourself and not tried to force it on everyone else.

too funny
while the iranian mullahs hang iranian homosexuals, our own perverts pledge all their allegance to the party that is determined to make muslims of us all. i am not going to enjoy praying 5 times daily to an evil god, but the demise of the perverts that helped betray us will make it a little easier.

Dave
to recall Harold Hill -- you are "closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge."

Cal is right
There is a connection between ruptured families, lack of reverence for vows, and what we are seeing around the country. There is also one between the corruption of the American farmer and the fact that, despite this outrageous ruling, Iowa will continue to be governed by Densocrats. I think the US has passed the tipping point toward Sodom, and the American farmer is going to quietly continue to collect his welfare checks and let the country slide into the slough.

One would expect the fruits ...
to act as they do. In your face is the response of all of the radicals. The thing that is interesting is the motivation of the judges.
Closet queens? Just plain fools? Impetus from authority greater than themselves.

If the nation doesn't collapse, it's time to move toward an elected judiciary of some nature.
The appontments were made strictly to fulfill political expedience. At this point, I don't know that the great unwashed could make worse choices.

Justice and the American way
It's nice to see that the Iowa Supreme Court understands basic American concepts like liberty and equality.

Wish more Americans, especially those that post on this sight, did.

Apollo Speaks...
...I just visited your blog by clicking on your name.I was very impressed! I put it in my favorites and will be back to it in the future.Thank you.

But Cal...
..."He doesn't know the territory"!

When the standards of Hollywood reach the Heartland,the war is over.The other side won.

Wake me up when the standards of the Heartland reach Hollywood.

EVIDENCE OF GOD SUPPORTING PRO-LIFE
America has the most radically anti-life president in its history a progressive fool struck deaf, dumb and blind by the socialist idea and moral relativism; a man leading our country into necessary peril. If you're losing faith after 36 years of Roe v. Wade and millions dead that we are losing the battle against abortion and the culture wars don't give up hope. God is with us and victory is near though it will come at a terrible cost of national tribulation and suffering, the price of the Obama presidency, the price of our forgetfulness of what made this country great. Click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece: Evidence of Divine Action Supporting the Pro-Life Movement.

Dave M
I don't see where Cal Thomas strayed from the subject of same-sex marriage. There may well be a strong connection between the number of divorces of heterosexual couples and the push for homosexual marriage.

Morals in the United States have taken a
nose dive. Anyone who disagrees has to be living in some remote cave.

A large segment of society has been tutored to put themselves first, e.g., mom and dad's careers take precedence over time spent with their children. Yes! Yet they owe themselves children and then somehow justify hiring someone else, or grandmom and granddad, to be surrogate parents.

The divorce rate and the number of children born to single people is disheartening, to say the least.

I remember the '40s and '50s and my family history gives me insight into the previous decade. Though it wasn't perfect, it was a hell of a lot better than what I'm witnessing today.

The number of divorces (is it 50%?) and the number of children born to single mothers gave the homos an inroad into demanding the right to marry, IMO.

Yes, I believe there is a connection between heterosexual mores and homosexual demands.

Retrun marriage to its origin.
Let me start this with a clear statement: I am a conservative. That notwithstanding, I voted NO on Prop.8 (CA, November 2008). Not because I favor homosexual marriage, but I was not in favor of amending the state constitution to overturn a flawed judicial ruling.

The state has an absolute power to regulate marriages as the law currently stands. Let us remember that the origin of civil marriage was as a protection to ensure those applying for marriage should be married; free from venerial disease, not related too closely, not previously (and currently) marriead, and to protect a woman's rights in the event of abondonment. All meritorious reasons.

But the actual origin of marriage was in religion. Many doctrines, including the founding tenants of this country which were taken in whole from Christianity... read the works of the founding fathers, bless the union between man and woman for the purposes of procreation. That's what marriage is.

I say, let's nullify the state's ability to meddle in the definition of marriage by eliminating the civil recording of same. Return the ownership of the structure of marriage to its originator, religion.

If gays wish to marry, they can find a church that will bless their union.

This of course, would have the secondary effect of removing the civil benefits of marriage. There would be no preferential tax treatment. All employers would have to decide whether to insure "life partners" without discrimination. Courts would have to decide on the financial distribution of property held in common.

But at least we could end the debate over what the state defines as marriage.

Enough
Mr. Thomas,

I clicked on your article because I almost always find your writing interesting and solid.

But you know what? I didn't even finish this article. I am so sick and tired of hearing about homosexuals this and homosexuals that, that I want no more of hearing of these perversions and proponents. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year...this is something that is not only disgusting, it is boring.

This obsession is over the limit.


Cal,Cal
When you went from homosexual marriage to the number of divorces and children you did something really dumb.

You changed subjects in midstream,threw away your case and inadvertently made an argument in support of the Iowa Supreme Courts decision.

THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE NEXT TIME
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