Townhall.com, Where Your Opinion Counts
Talk Radio:   Bill Bennett   Mike Gallagher   Dennis Prager   Michael Medved   Hugh Hewitt   
BREAKING NEWS  LeftArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican   RightArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican  
Columns, funnies & more in your inbox!
  • Check the boxes and send us your email address to receveive your free newsletter
  • Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
  • Townhall.com’s weekly inside scoop on what’s happening behind the scenes in the world of politics. When news breaks, we report.
  • Signup to receive the latest daily Townhall cartoons
Friday, April 10, 2009
Brent Bozell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Fox's "Comedic Genius"
by Brent Bozell
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
[+] Text [-]
 
Poll
Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Our cosmopolitan elites have embraced the smutty Fox cartoon "Family Guy." A month ago, oh-so-sophisticated National Public Radio used their parody song "Everybody Poops" to report on Julius Genachowski (FCC), the incoming chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Perhaps it was NPR's way of welcoming in an Obama appointee who everyone expects will "lighten up" at the FCC and let Hollywood go wild with its "poetic license."

Now it's ABC's "Nightline" paying homage to "Family Guy," and in the process telling us a lot more about "Nightline" than about this stupid show. They presented the show's lame-brained "mastermind" Seth MacFarlane as a man of incredible talent, even a genius. At the top of their April 6 show, anchor Martin Bashir cooed: "Funny guy. No topic is too taboo, no subject off limits for this critically acclaimed cartoonist."

"Critically acclaimed" -- remember that phrase. That may be the DVD-sales lingo that MacFarlane wants, but it's a stretch. When "Family Guy" first debuted in 1999, Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales called it "utterly excremental." Last fall, a Radar Online critic dismissed the show as "increasingly forced and tired. In short, the show sucks."

But to ABC, this was a heartwarming story of a Connecticut boy who grew rich by never maturing past the seventh grade. Bashir toasted MacFarlane as the story began: "His sense of humor may not appeal to everyone. It's often base, insulting and blasphemous, but to many, it's also the stuff of comedic genius and at just 35, it's made him the highest-paid TV writer in history."

MacFarlane reportedly signed a $100-million contract with Fox and is now working on a third cesspool of a cartoon series.

The reporter for this segment, titled "Seriously Funny," was ABC's Bill Weir, last seen goofily hailing Barack Obama's inauguration as a day when "even the seagulls must have been awed." Weir didn't come to this interview like it was time for a "60 Minutes" interrogation of an oil company CEO. Apparently, the more MacFarlane pollutes the airwaves, the more reporters like Weir will merely bow and scrape.

"In a town full of talent, Seth MacFarlane is a rare quadruple threat," Weir exclaimed. "A guy who can write comedy, score music, animate characters and provide their voices." He then repeated "at age 35, he is reportedly the highest paid writer/producer in television history." Weir listed the show's protesters, but "his shows raise the most ire with religious and parental watchdog groups. If there is a taboo line, chances are MacFarlane has leaped over it."

This is where ABC tossed aside any semblance of fairness in favor of a one-sided puff piece. Weir chose not to interview a single religious spokesman or parental watchdog. The only man given a voice was MacFarlane. Weir also went too easy when it came to chronicling how low "Family Guy" can go.

He smiled as he said, "I just started jotting some of the topics covered and some of the jokes made at the expense of paraplegics, the deaf, pedophilia, bestiality, AIDS. You've got an opera version of the Nicole Simpson murders. The JFK Pez dispenser, where candy comes out of his wounds. Where is the line for you? Is there a line, or is that the point?"

MacFarlane said he regretted the JFK Pez dispenser. Apparently, there is a line, at least when you're interviewed by ABC News: Don't insult the Kennedys.

As for anything else, in ABC's eyes, it's "comedic genius." Take the March 8 episode that featured the baby eating horse semen; that suggested Ronald Reagan had sex with Mikhail Gorbachev; that showed the 11-way gay orgy scene; and played it for laughs when a horse trampled a class of deaf second-graders at the race track. Weir left those trampled "taboos" out of the discussion.

Fed these softballs, MacFarlane swung for the bleachers. "It's not like television is a God-given right. You hear the Parents Television Council raving about 'Family Guy' did this. Nobody is forcing you to watch this show. They say 'Is this taste?' No, it's not. It's terrible taste. That's what's funny."

Weir laughed and replied: "They make the argument ... with an animated show, a kid's going to stop the remote." MacFarlane insisted, "you can't hold a whole medium hostage" because animation appeals to children.

Instead, ABC allowed MacFarlane to make an unrebutted argument that the censors are arbitrary and ridiculous. Weir wrapped up the interview by warmly noting how "Family Guy" was a show Coca-Cola used to avoid with its advertising, but now "Baby Stewie stars in Coke ads alongside Charlie Brown and Underdog." Just like Coke, ABC is defining MacFarlane's deviancy down, welcoming his radioactive TV waste into the "mainstream."

Share:
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
 
About The Author
Founder and President of the Media Research Center, Brent Bozell runs the largest media watchdog organization in America.
 
TOWNHALL DAILY: Be the first to read Brent Bozell's column. Sign up today and receive Townhall.com daily lineup delivered each morning to your inbox.
 
©Creators Syndicate
Who's Really The Spoiled Brat?
Let's see, who is really the spoiled brat around here: A former Hanna-Barbera animator who's made a fortune by pursuiting his interests and channeling them into a multi-million dollar industry, or the spoiled-brat nephew of William F. Buckley, son of the ghostwriter for Barry Goldwater's book "Conscience of a Conservative" and a anti-abortion extremist who stormed an abortion clinic in Washington D.C. in 1970, and a spoiled hack who wants to control the world but has to throw a temper tantrum in order to do so?

What a conundrum.

Oh, and Stewie was eating a bowl of cereal that may or may not have had a bottle of horse semen poured into it. It's the shocked expression on his face that sells the humor.

"Remember, remember, the Fifth of Novemeber, the gunpowder treason and plot;
"I know no reason the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot."
-V, from "V For Vendetta"

where is the boycot against Fox?
"how low "Family Guy" can go"

This is a Fox show that recently aired an episode where the toddler (Stewie) repeatedly asked the family dog (Brian) to "F**% him in the a$$". That's right, Fox airs a show that encourages a baby to beg a dog for 'backdoor pleasure." I'm a hollywood liberal and I found it sorta weird.

But where is the outcry from Glen Beck? Why hasn't he called out Seth M. for a duel to the death? Oh yeah, they are both employed by the same corporation. American values are precious, but only until cash money gets in the way.

Family Guy goes too far
When Family Guy first came out, I enjoyed it. It wasn't the best show on tv, but there were some clever jokes. But it goes too far in being one-sided ideologically, and blasphemous. Nearly every episode includes a joke about Jesus: in one episode, Jesus was found having overdosed on drugs in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment; in the episode mentioned above, a man explains "Jesus hates many people, but none more than homosexuals."

Its not funny, and it is extremely bigoted.

It don't bother me

I will not watch this trash no matter who's network it comes on. I will also boycott any product that I find out sponsors it.

Brent Keeps Pounding Away
Once again, Bozell is dead on. Like the last time he dared criticize this horrible show, I await the defenders' responses. You'd think Bozell insulted their Mamas.

Handing the world to the Poo Poo Heads
When I was growing up, a child of three who stripped off his clothes and ran into the middle of Mamas party screaming *PooPoo Head!* was taken out of the room and his nekkid backside was reddened, and he went to bed with his ears tingling as well as his backside.

Today the Poo Poo Heads are in charge.

If you want to know what the world will be like when the Boomers have all retired (those born in 1958 being the lower limit of that generation), *Family Guy* is your bellwether, together with the acolytes *sexting* photos of themselves as 3 year old poo poo heads all over the world.

Write me at Galts Gulch and let me know how this works out.

Seth McFarland is a Genius
As a person who always voted for the Right, but enjoys every now and then turning my brain off and coasting on a comedy, "Family Guy" was a fabulous cartoon...until it became preachy.

Seth has an uncanny talent with his characters, their voices and distinct personalities that carried the show for many years. I never once missed an episode. But once the presidential primaries began, "Family Guy" changed their senseless and outrageous comedy into a soap box of liberal agenda's that literally beat you over the head in lame stereotypes and lies.

I had to stop watching it. Once in a blue moon I'd come back to see reruns of those very same preachy liberal agendas being thrown back in my face.

It's a shame, even though that show isn't for everyone's taste, it really was incredibly raw, real and fun. Now it's just another liberal shill fest that I can't stomach.


Appeasing low life's.
I think Fox is sinking to the low life's, probably the only ones enjoying this garbage, while the rest of us are working. I use to love Fox, until Red Eye, now Family Guy, evidently they are running out of good idea's. Thank goodness, I am not the only one disgusted with this garbage, a lot of us are loosing respect for people we really found entertaining until they appeared on Red Eye. That is not how you got to #1 Fox, and certainly will not stay #1 for long. I was first dissappointed in Fox when they gave into a Running Politician to be interviewed at the same time a Memorial for 9-11 was being aired at the Republican Convention. Explamation was, only time they could get the interview, yes Fox you sold out.

curious
Does Bozell get money from McFarlane? He seems to do a lot to advertise for Family Guy. My guess is that every column like this he writes some readers must get curious enough to give the show a try. It is hard to believe that Bozell thinks he is hurting the shows viewership or its advertising. It makes a lot more sense to think that Bozell is secretly shilling for him.

A 60 minutes profile of an entertainment figure turns out to be a puff piece, how shocking. But Bozell gets to slip in the Family Guy jokes, and some people must then say, I should check that out.

Fox programs are...
... brainless, atavistic garbage that appeals to the worst in us -- who knew?
When you start out with COPS and "America's Most Wanted," throw in American Idol, make a tentpole show of fascist garbage like 24, why would you expect anything better than Family Guy? (And no, Fox news is no better). Please God, there must be SOMETHING out there for conservatives with half a brain to watch.


There's this great new invention...
... called a "remote control". It actually allows a person to change the television station without even getting out of his chair! I would suggest that anyone who finds a particular show un-entertaining or distasteful obtain one of these magical devices and use it to change to another show, or even better, turn the TV off altogether.

If you don't like Family Guy, fine, it certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea. Some of us, however, DO enjoy the show. If, as Dolly suggests in post #10 above, that makes me a "low life" in the opinion of some, oh well.

Rather than spending time worrying about what television shows others are watching, in my opinion Mr. Bozell's time is much better spent exposing media bias in areas where it DOES matter: in promoting leftist, statist policies that infringe on our liberties.

7sticks, et al...
"a anti-abortion extremist who stormed an abortion clinic in Washington D.C. in 1970"

You say that like it's a bad thing.

The problem with Fox/Fox News is that ALL the programming is targeted at our most brutal, bleak, mean-spirited impulses, even so-called "quality" shows like The Sara Conner Chronicles, Fringe and House. (BTW, who decided that every Fox one-hour drama has to include a pouty young female in the cast?)

As for boycotting FOX, been there, done that with "Married With Children" 20 years ago. Results -- bupkis. Thinking conservatives need to develop their own media, not just rail against the crap merchants.


Simper Libertas.....
By your reasoning, child rape is OK for those who like it. All others have to do is keep their kids indoors.

How about you change your handle? Make it Simper Ignoramus! You are a soldier in the coarsening of American culture. Even a sickie like you should be revolted at a scene where a child is said to be eating a bowl of cereal with, not milk, but horse semen. Someone sent me the link to that episode. I went there without a clue as to what I would be viewing. I made it for about 2 minutes before having to go barf.


Lighten up, people
Family Guy is funny. If I like it and watch it, it does not effect you one bit. If you don't like it and don't watch it, it does not effect me one bit.

That being said, Family Guy can't hold a candle to South Park.

Yea it's Stupid....BUT
I see, the right wants to Ban it because it's
Pornographic, the left wants to ban it because it's demeaning to the minority and it's not very
P.C. Yes it's Dumb and it's STUPID but Seth has the First Admendment Rights to express himself in all his stupidity...Just change the Channel if you don't like it and if you have Kids....Block the Show or Channel.

- Randy.

(I don't watch it either!)

Family guy evil..blah blah
Did you guys see the one where they spoofed Christian Bales rant? That was fantastic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcEsII0vlRI

"Jeez, you punch your mother with that mouth?" I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

Another classic - Dead Bullfrog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXHaCEhOiWU&feature=related

Changing the channel
If you don't like something you can certainly change the channel. However, there should be a limit to what is allowed to be broadcast over the airwaves (now that is an interesting concept in the day of cable and satellite).

So we sunk to allowing Family Guy, whats next, plan old fashioned porn? Then how about child porn, maybe a little S&M, how about some real snuff video?

Don't give me the first amendment, some things should not be allowed on-air! To paraphrase the ruling on pornography, you know sick when you see it.

Free Country?
Mr. Bozell,

In a free country, when you don't like something you have certain rights:

• You have the right to not participate in said activity (most televisions come with remote controls these days, and ALL come with ON/OFF switches and channel changers).
• You have the right to use your freedom of speech to express your opinion on the matter, as you did here.
• You have a right not to patronize advertisers and other supporters of said activity
• You have a right to start a company offering services more to your liking, such that you can fight it out in the free market

It seems there are plenty of tools available to fight these shows you don't like without infringing on the liberties of others. So, why do you continue to advocate for a statist solution of FCC bans and fines??? I wish you'd trust liberty and trust the American people to do the right thing. At least give it some thought.

Why Conservatism Gets a Bad Name

Petty little columns like this is why conservatism gets a bad name. Yes,Family Guy is vulgar, juvenile and sacrilegious but everyone is skewered equally. Liberals, conservatives, gays, straights, black, white, every one is targeted and gets to take their lumps. In fact liberalism and political correctness may be more ridiculed in this venue than anywhere else on broadcast television. If it offends don’t watch, if you have children block it and save your ire for the non stop propagandizing that takes place on the evening news.

America
is sinking. We live in an amoral society. Our children have taught that everything is relative, that there are no absolutes. Weir is a good example of the product of that New Age concept.

re: nutnfinr, post #15
quote: "By your reasoning, child rape is OK for those who like it. All others have to do is keep their kids indoors."

Actually, that's about as ignorant a statement as I think I've ever read. Nowhere have I advocated the infringement on the liberties of others. "[C]hild rape" is an act that obviously violates the liberties of a child. A TV show that you don't like does not violate your liberties unless you are somehow FORCED to watch it.

Try again.

re: Robert, post #23
Isn't it up to parents to teach their children? If children are being "taught that everything is relatives", sounds like you should be critical of the parents.

Further, if you feel thusly, I'd advise you to use your Constitutionally-protected right to freedom of expression to try to persuade people of your point of view. You can also use your Constitutionally-protected right of association to join with other like-minded people.

As far as America "sinking", however, I would say that if we are, it is because too many -- on the right AND the left -- are attempting to use the power of government to enforce a particular agenda, rather than its true purpose: protecting individual liberty.

re: TheEngineer, post #21
Excellent post. Unfortunately, all too often "conservatives" enjoy using the power of government to enforce their agenda just as much as "liberals" do -- they just have a different shopping list.

I was going to reveal the existence of..
...the remote control, but apparently Semper Libertas beat me to it!

Is Family Guy crude? Absolutely. Is it profane and vulgar? You bet. Is it funny as hell? Yup!

Should kids me watching it? Hell no! If I had kids I most certainly would not let them watch this until they were...I dunno...13 or 14?

Just about every TV made in the past 10 years (and just about every cable or satellite service I know of) allows parents to block programs with certain ratings.

So shut yer traps, stop yer bitchin', and turn on your parental controls!

Semper Libertas
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Not all conservatives enjoy using government to push its agenda, fortunately. We still have good limited government groups out there, though I fear we're a dwindling minority. We even get ridiculed by other "conservatives", as you saw above.

Unfortunately, far too many conservatives definitely wish to use the power of the state. We saw that clearly in the GOP party platform that contains things like advocacy for a prohibition on online poker. It seems that many who advocated for limited government in that past merely wanted to limit the power of their opposition, because they sure fell in love with big government once they controlled the reins!

I have some info on my blog on this that you may like. Just click my name above this post.

Semper Libertas
Great response to 'nutnfinr'. How sad that some compare restricting others' liberties to protecting individual rights (i.e., many here post things like, "you're a libertarian...I guess you support rape and robbery too, huh?").

Yep
Bad journalism.

If I wanted a bio on Seth MacFarlane, I'd go to his personal website. Not covering the other side of the issue is LAAAAAME.

I'm a fan of family guy, but I'm a bigger fan of red-blooded journalism.

TheEngineer
I happen to be libertarian enough to get myself into trouble with the more knuckle-headed around here at times.... but just where in his column does Mr. Bozell "advocate for a statist solution of FCC bans and fines"?

Didn't think so.


nutnfinr
"Simper Libertas.....You are a soldier in the coarsening of American culture."

SL already owned you in his reply, so I have nothing to add to that. On the part I quoted, freedom-lovers everywhere are disgusted that you think standing for freedom and against statism is, in your feeble mind, a negative in any way. Our nation was built on liberty.

Surely you realize Americans are CHOOSING to watch Family Guy. You can't change that with a law. If you want to change the culture, put out a positive message. Don't expect the government to do it for you.

How much power do you wish to give the federal government, anyway? Surely you've noticed it's no longer doing the bidding of Dobson, now that the GOP is out of power.

Family guy lost it's charm for me ...
A long time ago.

The comedy got weak and I started to notice just how selective, bigoted, and abusive McFarlane was in his writing. Frankly, South Park does a much better job than Family Guy.

RW
I didn't say Bozo Bozell advocated it here. I wrote that he regularly does so:

http://archives.energycommerce.house.gov/reparchives/108/He arings/01282004hearing1165/Bozell1844.htm

"I represent the Parents Television Council's 850,000 members, along with untold millions of parents who, like me, are disgusted, revolted, fed up, horrified -- I don't know how to underscore this enough -- by the raw sewage, ultra violence, graphic sex, and raunchy language that is flooding into our living rooms night and day....A major responsibility of the FCC is to ensure that those who use the public airwaves adhere to standards of decency. Yet, looking at the FCC's track record on indecency enforcement, it becomes painfully apparent that the FCC could care less about community standards of decency or about protecting the innocence of young children."

PTC's (of which Bozell is president) Family Guy FCC complaint form is at https://www.parentstv.org/ptc/action/familyguy/main.asp

What do you think now?

More from Bozell to Congress
http://archives.energycommerce.house.gov/reparchives/108/He arings/01282004hearing1165/Bozell1844.htm

Third, the FCC must be told to start enforcing the law by attaching meaningful fines to those who are violating the public trust with deliberate indecencies on broadcast television. The $27,000 maximum fine is a joke, and everyone knows it. It is most welcome news, Chairman Upton, that you are proposing that fine be increased tenfold and that the fines be increased up to $3 million for continued offenses. But the fact remains that all is for naught so long as the FCC refuses to levy fines when appropriate. The FCC must be told in no uncertain terms that it has the obligation to do that to protect the public airwaves. Moreover, Congress should insist that the FCC fine stations for each violation. If a shock-jock uses the "s" word ten times on his show, his station should receive ten fines, not one.

Finally, the FCC must get serious about revoking station licenses for those who refuse to abide by standards of decency. The use of the public airwaves is not an entitlement, a right. It is a privilege, and a privilege to be honored. Rather than giving networks more stations as a reward for their irresponsible behavior, perhaps the Congress ought to consider steps to reduce the number of stations allowed for those continuously spitting in the public's face.

re: TheEngineer, post 35
quote attributed to Bozell in your post: "Finally, the FCC must get serious about revoking station licenses for those who refuse to abide by standards of decency. The use of the public airwaves is not an entitlement, a right. It is a privilege, and a privilege to be honored."

Wow, that is chilling. Great recipe for tyranny: making the government the arbiter of "standards of decency". He has severely undercut any sense of moral authority he might have when it comes time to protest re-implementation of the so-called "Fairness Doctine"...

Get A Life Bozell
Glenn Beck is FAR more offensive to reasonable conservatives than anything on Family Guy. But I agree with nlund et al that South Park is a way better choice

Engineer
But if both liberals and conservatives didn't force themselves to watch shows they hate, what would they have to whine about, and what would they do with their time?

As for Bozell, there's a lid for every pot.

Omigawnd, Engineer,
You're not actually suggesting that disapproving TV watchers read a book, or take a walk are you?

Where would America be without Fox, MsNBC, CNN, and all other forms of crap-TV?

.
"Finally, the FCC must get serious about revoking station licenses for those who refuse to abide by standards of decency. The use of the public airwaves is not an entitlement, a right. It is a privilege, and a privilege to be honored."

No nanny state please. Standards of decency are relative, and who appointed you the decency patrolman anyway? You just seem like an old guy who's becoming more and more confused as the world progresses past you. Being the Hitler of adult themed cartoons is entering Phyllis Schlafly territory.

Is this guy really carried by any papers? I wouldn't be surprised if only townhall posted this drivel.

Forced to watch????
" A TV show that you don't like does not violate your liberties unless you are somehow FORCED to watch it."

I am a teacher and I AM forced to listen the the children of ignorant stupid parents use the language and ideas from the shows like The Family Guy and South Park.

When I talk to the parents about it, the language that they use tells me that they approve of how their kids talk and what they do. So I suppose in that sense, education works. The parents spend 15 years screwing things up and then either approve of how their kids act or expect me to fix it in a few months.

tkdblk
IMO the most dangerous "freedom" is the idea that one deserves to be free from the practice of liberty by others. Surely you can see that the solution you'd likely propose -- have the federal government act as a surrogate parent to these kids -- would be FAR worse than the problem you seek to fix.

And, you're not forced to be a teacher. You can always find new employment, either in a different field or at a parochial school that doesn't permit expression of the language or ideas (scary thought) of the shows of which you disapprove. That would be better than stripping me of my liberty just so you'd have a less stressful day at work.

Change the channel, Brent!
I agree with you, "Family Guy" is tasteless (certainly more now than in its original seasons, which were funnier without being as bad as it is now), and yes, MacFarlane is a liberal bigot, picking on disabled people while selfrighteously attacking anyone who doesn't share his views on homosexuality.

But you can CHANGE THE CHANNEL. If you don't like the dreck that you see, cancel your cable subscriptions and turn the TV off. I have. I decided there were better things I could spend $70 a month on than 100 channels of nothing I wanted to see.

There's one other problem......
Many big government conservatives put together their ideas for the GOP with no regard for what voters want. For example, the GOP Party Platform Committee received many Internet postings opposing a platform plank favoring a prohibition of online poker. The draft committee actually excluded such a plank for that very reason, but the full committee added it just because someone there didn't like poker.

Well, the Poker Players Alliance has over one million members now (see my blog), and they vote. Did this plank get the GOP even one vote? Probably not. Did it cost votes? Absolutely. I don't know how many, but how many could we spare last year?

IMO conservatives can no longer try to pass every law they want, lest they be out of power and unable to pass any laws (or to stop Democrat laws from passing).

The Engineer
Glad to hear you saying what you have. Far too many nominal conservatives have started to come out for speech restrictions, censorship, protectionism, "sensible regulation" of Wall Street, forcing oil drilled in ANWR to be sold in the US, etc. If those are conservative positions, then what is the difference between us and liberals?

Then again, as you mentioned earlier, it seems the libertarian/economic conservative wing is on the defensive at the moment. A lot of paleo-con/protectionist types, as well as social conservatives of the more authoritarian variety seem to be setting the agenda more often recently.

(Actually, though I endorse libertarian theories of gov't, I am personally opposed to imposing it from above, as I think that would be as tenuous as any other philosophy imposed form above, so consider myself a federalist, not a libertarian, but that is neither here nor there in this discussion.)

Engineer, that's why...
..."big-government conservative" is an oxymoron. By definition, conservatives want and strive for as little government as possible.

And before everyone rounds on me for making that statement, with comments like "Bush expanded government," etc, etc, let me say, he is no conservative. Neither was Nixon. They are/were Republicans, and there isn't necessarily a 1:1 correlation.

theBaron
I agree. That's why I put "conservative" in quotes when referring to big government statists like Bozo Bozell.

Family Guy is the funniest show ever
In my opinion of course. I find this kind of humor hilarious, i wish there were more shows like Family Guy, or Robot Chicken etc. It goes beyond pushing the envelope, and a 1/4 of the humor is how riled up people get over it. If you dont like it, dont watch it, if you dont want your kids watching it, block it. Some of us enjoy it, and seeing its ratings, its safe to say there are alot more people than myself that agree. If it offends you, get over it- its not about you.

engineer
Do you have to bring your pet peeve of internet gambling into everything you talk about on this site?

Tish
Yes. It tends to be a good way to explain how the GOP has lost its way.

That being said, I didn't hijack this discussion at all. I've been right on topic here and merely made fleeting references to the Internet poker issue to illustrate the fallacy of Bozo "Big Government Will Save Our Culture if We Just Pass the Right Laws" Bozell's statist ideas on American television.

re: Tish, reply #49
I think internet gambling is a great issue to demonstrate TRUE limited government and individual liberty, demonstrating why "conservatives" can be just as bad as "liberals" in terms of using government power to coerce individuals to behave in ways they think are "right".

Low Intelligence Levels
Anyone who would watch this smut 'Family Guy' and admits to wasting their time with this trash has an IQ lower than my pet lizard. (Apologies to the lizard.) Same logic applies to those poor misinformed people who voted for that idiot sitting in the White House under the guise of acting like a president. Give me a break....

good column
Bozell is using his free speech rights, so defending the existence of this show via that same right leads to an impasse.

The media does in fact affect all of us though you might like to believe that turning the channel is sufficient. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to justify this.

If some things are believed to be intrinsically bad, and some good, maybe the govt. should lean to deemphasizing the bad and emphasizing the good.

Keith and theEngineer, maybe you'll understand this when you're older.

Sophmoric
My son at age fifteen thought Family Guy was hilarious, at age 19 he doesn't even watch the show. Family Guy definitly appeals to immature individuals

re: Randal, Susan
Thanks for your insightful comments. I didn't realize we had the ultimate arbiters of intelligence and maturity posting on this site.

Assume for a second that both of you are correct: that only someone with a low IQ and lack of maturity would watch Family Guy. So what? Whether or not I watch it is still none of your or the government's business.

Really?
"'you can't hold a whole medium hostage' because animation appeals to children."

Tell it to Joe Camel.

re: soliton, reply #53
quote: "Bozell is using his free speech rights, so defending the existence of this show via that same right leads to an impasse."

No, it leads to a debate. None of us are suggesting that Bozell has no right to give his *opinion* about this show or anything else. Rather, I am concerned about his attempts to use the power of the *government* to limit what *I* watch on TV.


quote: "If some things are believed to be intrinsically bad, and some good, maybe the govt. should lean to deemphasizing the bad and emphasizing the good."

That's not the purpose of government. The purpose of government is to protect individual liberty. If you want others to agree with your opinion concerning what is "intrinsically good" or "bad", then it is your responsibility to PERSUADE others to join your position, not use the power of government to force your opinion on others.

Semper L
Bozell has no "power" to use the government, but only to attempt to persuade. No different from what you are espousing.

"That's not the purpose of government. The purpose of government is to protect individual liberty. If you want others to agree with your opinion concerning what is "intrinsically good" or "bad", then it is your responsibility to PERSUADE others to join your position, not use the power of government to force your opinion on others. "

Agreed. And persuading is what Bozell is doing. What government, power am I invoking, in your mind?

Governments purpose goes beyond only assuring personal liberty.("insure domestic tranquility, promote the general welfare")

re: soliton, reply #58
Actually, if you read some of the references posted above, Bozell IS seeking to use the power of the government to infringe upon my liberties. That is very different than simply trying to persuade me not to watch shows he finds distasteful.

I would recommend to you reading the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers. The PURPOSE of government is to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The phrases you quote from the Preamble deal with the purposes for the structure of the Constitution, not with the very nature of government itself.

"It is to protect our rights that we resort to government at all." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end." -- Lord Acton

"Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." -- Thomas Jefferson

soliton
"Bozell is using his free speech rights, so defending the existence of this show via that same right leads to an impasse."

Not really. I applauded his exercise of his First Amendment right to criticize the show in post #21, my first post on this topic.

"The media does in fact affect all of us though you might like to believe that turning the channel is sufficient."

I'm sure it has some impact, but you've not shown why this means we should sacrifice our liberty in favor of government-controlled propaganda of the sort seen in North Korea, Nazi Germany, or the former Soviet Union.

Sorry, but America is still a free country. Besides, if you did get media control, every television station would be like PBS and every radio station would be NPR. Would that be better?

"If some things are believed to be intrinsically bad, and some good, maybe the govt. should lean to deemphasizing the bad and emphasizing the good."

Government restrictions on liberty are intrinsically bad.

"Keith and theEngineer, maybe you'll understand this when you're older."

Liberty is the very essence of America. I'm saddened to hear so many who'd give away our birthright in hopes that brainwashing the next generation will yield what you want. Besides, conservatives run nothing now. Do you want the current government to run your planned propaganda machine? I know I don't!

Maybe when you're older you'll understand that you don't give your liberties to the federal government with hopes that they'll fix everything up for you.

Semper Libertas
"I think internet gambling is a great issue to demonstrate TRUE limited government and individual liberty, demonstrating why "conservatives" can be just as bad as "liberals" in terms of using government power to coerce individuals to behave in ways they think are "right"."

Thanks!

Engineer:
Perhaps you should reread my first post. You made an enormous leap from my terms of emphasis to yours of coersion and sacrificing liberty, and Nazi Germany.

Is it intrinsically bad to have laws against your individual liberty to drive drunk?

re: soliton, reply #62
Use of the government to coerce people to behave a certain way rather than using it to protect individual liberty is only different from fascism by degrees.

Speed limits and drunk driving laws are for roads owned by the public and are thus legitimate. If I am driving on my private property, however, so long as I am not endangering the liberties of another, then the government has no right to limit me.

See the very important difference?

SL
I do not think your quotes support your contention.
I will certainly read the Federalist papers, but not tonite!






soliton
"Is it intrinsically bad to have laws against your individual liberty to drive drunk?"

It is intrinsically bad to drive in a negligent or unsafe manner that could harm another. Libertarians don't believe in a freedom to harm others. I'm not sure why so many here confuse legislating morality with protecting individuals from aggression of government and of others.

Engineer:
Don't all laws , in fact legislate morality in some sense?

SL
I reread Bozell's piece. I don't see where he is trying to use government power.

soliton
Check posts #34 and #35

E (and SL)
I'll check those posts more carefully, but on first glance he still seems to me to be persuading.

On another note, Have you read "Freedom and Virtue, The conservative/libertarian Debate"?

Looks like we have, respectivelt, resurrected these discussions......

Do all laws legislate morality?
Many big government social "conservatives" like to make this claim. They state that all laws legislate morality, so why not accept their liberty-limiting laws? In fact, IMO most laws are not in place for morality.

Most laws are in place to protect property rights and for protection against the aggression of others. For example, laws against stealing aren't there because stealing is morally wrong. They are there because thieves have no right to your property. Think about it. If you were robbed, would be angry that the thieves sinned, or that they violated your rights? The child rape example cited above is similar law of protection against aggression.

Interestingly, there is a growing pro-life wing of the libertarian movement based on this philosophy. Ron Paul (aside from his run this year, he was the 1988 Libertarian nominee for president) and Bob Barr (this year's nominee) are both pro-life (as am I, for that matter) based on the philosophy of the rights of unborn children.

I updated my blog today
Please check it out, at http://poker.townhall.com

TheEngineer
"What do you think now?"

I think that if the FCC has formal rules on regulating and prohibiting obscenity, then it has an obligation to enforce them. And you?


Engineer
I really don't pay attention to what "big government" conservatives claim. ANyway, just because they claim does not mean it is to be discredited.

IMO most laws are based on moral imperatives. The right to property and protection of it is a moral right, as is protection from physical harm. What about mental/emotional or societal harm or anticipated harm?(after all, the drunk driver is not 100% assured of causing catastrophe.)

So, now where does this all fit in with Family Guy? As I implied, and RW nicely summarizes, just utilize the rules in hand.




re: semper libertas and the engineer
Props to you both on delivering consistent messages. I wish there were more small "c" conservatives out there like you to make voting for small government and lower taxes attractive again. I think I speak for a lot of small "c" independents like myself who find themselves between a rock and hard place come election day. The radical right base is repulsive, if you don't believe me, please view some of the comments posted on Bozell's last piece of commentary about Michelle Obama. The small minded racism masking as small government conservatism churns the stomach and repels a lot of small "c"'s like myself from joining forces, for fear of guilt by association. The Libertarian party is attractive, if only they had any real election day prospects. What to do???

E
Read your posts more carefully regarding Bozell's FCC actions.

He is utilizing the rights of any citizen, without physical coercion. I do not see how you or SL can see this as some type of abuse of power. He is not in the government, nor, to the best of our knowledge, using illicit or illegal means.

RW
You asked, "but just where in his column does Mr. Bozell "advocate for a statist solution of FCC bans and fines"?" and I showed you where he does just that.

"I think that if the FCC has formal rules on regulating and prohibiting obscenity, then it has an obligation to enforce them. And you?"

I think social cons worked hard to expand this definition, to the detriment of everyone else's liberty

soliton
Bozell has every right to do what he's doing. I simply disagree with it.

Also, the FCC does utilize coercion via fines and broadcast license revocation.


E
"Also, the FCC does utilize coercion via fines and broadcast license revocation."

maybe that's the crux of it. If you don't think the FCC should have that ability or shouldn't exist at all, then they are the ones you should be after.

Follow me on Twitter if you like
You're all invited to follow me on Twitter. I'm at http://twitter.com/TheEngineer2008 .

I work pretty hard to make it interesting, so perhaps you'll find it worth following.

E and SL
Thanks for the discussion.

The book I mentioned in an earlier post addresses some of these issues and the cmplementarity of Libertarianism and conservatism.

Good night.

Never watched more than 3 seconds
It is base, crud, profane and an insult to anyone with any class or manners.

I have swiped the title to tag Bobby Gibbs, our "stellar" WH press secretary.

re: Smarti, reply #74
I would say that what we do is this: keep trying to persuade. Keep up the free market capitalist, pro-liberty message. I think a lot of people are open to it, they just need a little more thought.

I would also say this: don't back away from politics, or try to join a more ideologically pure third party. If we are actually going to influence the government and not just make ourselves feel good, we have to be in the arena. Work to get free market, pro-liberty candidates to run and get elected.

Little by little we can make progress.

Oh! And visit my blog, either by clicking my name here or going to http://www.semperlibertas.com. :D

Leftist hypocricy
See, the leftist fascists defend their perverted crud perveyors with the standard 'If you don't like it you don't have to watch it'. No controls, no objections allowed.

OTOH, talk radio can't be allowed to exist unless it's controlled 'for the public good'. Their idea of 'fairness' must prevail - IOW, the broadcast form must be polluted with their objections and input.

Total freedom for the degenerates - otherwise, nanny is obliged to regulate and control.

Got the picture?

TV
It's just a television show. If you believe anything on TV you need your head examined.
Just teach your children that everything on TV is utter nonsense.

grubby
Why do you think only "leftists" believe in freedom of speech? Many on the left would be more than happy to allow the government to censor Family Guy. Similarly, many on the right are telling you to change the channel.

re: grubby, reply #83
I think government censorship is wrong whether it is directed at a TV show on the basis of it being offensive, or at radio because of political ideology. My position is consistent.

Family Guy is awesome!
Waa! waa! Waa! Brett Bozo is crying because Family Guy is a huge hit and it just so happens that it's creator is a solid Dem. The show is hilarious and very sophisticated and the fact that it rips the right wing nuts is only gravy!

what is Bozell's point
Does he think that the FCC should stop Fox from allowing Family Guy on network TV? If you do not like a show, don't watch it. If you think a show has bad values, and you have minor children, don't let your kids watch that show. Too many "Christian Conservatives" push for censorship -- they have no idea that it could bite them pretty badly. That is, if Bozell is correct, why not stop a minister from going on TV to decry homosexuality? I think it is a very bad idea for the government to be involved in any of the media. Parents should ensure children do not watch "immoral" programing -- not the government. This function should not be delegated to the state. The problem with internet predators (in reality most child sex offenders know their victims, usually it is not a stranger crime) is as much a problem of parents not watching what children are doing on the internet. Children should not be "chatting" with adults on the internet. If children are raised with 2 parents, they should be able to monitor computer activity (pretty easily). If your child violates what you want, stop them from using the computer -- don't ask big brother to come in and do your job.

Bugs Bunny was violent
Does Bozell forget how violent Bugs Bunny was? It was common for Elmer Fudd to shoot at Bugs -- and try to kill (and eat him). I remember one episode where Daffy Duck kept getting shot by Elmer Fudd (due to Bugs' tricks) -- yet soon after getting shot Daffy was fine. What does that teach us? I dislike lots of Family Guy too -- and I dislike most "entertainment" programing on television. Why not compete and explain why Family Guy is "wrong" instead of trying to have it off of the air? I love the internet, and I appreciate that we have more freedom than we did in the past. Too many on the right want government montitoring of what we watch or read for entertainment.

If this were true
"They presented the show's lame-brained "mastermind" Seth MacFarlane as a man of incredible talent, even a genius."
=======================

All the guys I went to school with in Jr and Sr. High School were every bit the genius this moron is

No Censorship!!
No Censorship, PERIOD!! I've never watched any of this trash such as The Simpsons, etc and do not intend to do so.. I've never listened to Rush Limbaugh, but that's my business and I've I've worn out more than one Remote. Keep the FCC out of it, PLS CHEERS

You've missed the point
A lot of you have missed the point of this article. He's not trying to get Family Guy taken off the air. He's not trying to instigate censorship (although the way the Dems are going for "fairness" doctrine laws, you'd have to have "Touched by an Angel" and "Highway to Heaven" alternating with Family Guy to be "fair".

Bozell's complaint is the lop-sided, biased slant of the media in favor of the profane, the scatalogical, the blasphemous. Christians like Bush or Palin are excoriated in the press. But this profane cartoonist is hailed as a "genius" by that same press with no thought given to presenting an alternate point of view.

Gibbson Girl
Really? PTC's (of which Bozell is president) Family Guy FCC complaint form is at https://www.parentstv.org/ptc/action/familyguy/main.asp

Family Guy is overated
I will admit that Family Guy does make me laugh sometimes but most of the time it's just overused jokes and the same predicatable gags
I honestly think it is overated but don't try telling that to the notorius Family Guy Fanboys who thinks it's the best show ever.
The truth is that this kind of bland toilet humor is becoming more and more popular today so it isn't surprising how popular Family Guy is. Kind of sad
Sign Up to Post Your CommentsSign Up to Post Your Comments
If you are already registered, click here to login. Otherwise, please take a few seconds to register with Townhall.com. Once you sign up, you’ll be able to post your comments immediately, use the action center, get podcasts, and more!
Note: Fields marked with a red asterisk (*) are required.
Salutation:
First Name:
*
Last Name:
*
Email:
*
Nickname:
*
Note: Nick name will be shown when you post comments.
Address 1:
*
Address 2:
City:
*
State:
*
Zip:
*
Phone:
      
Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
(Bi-Weekly) We highlight the best opportunities from our partners for surveys, action items and more.