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Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Political "Solution": Part II
by Thomas Sowell
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Estimates of how much money a government program will cost are notoriously unreliable. Estimates of the cost of the current bailout in the financial markets run into the hundreds of billions of dollars, and some say it may reach or exceed a trillion.

Many people have trouble even forming some notion of what such numbers as billion and trillion mean. One way to get some idea of the magnitude of a trillion is to ask: How long ago was a trillion seconds?

A trillion seconds ago, no one on this planet could read and write. Neither the Roman Empire nor the ancient Chinese dynasties had yet come into existence. None of the founders of the world's great religions today had yet been born.

That's what a trillion means. Put a dollar sign in front of it and that's what the current bailout may cost.

Will that money be spent wisely? It is theoretically possible. But don't bet the rent money on it or you could end up among the homeless.

Whenever there is a lot of the taxpayers' money around, politicians are going to find ways to spend it that will increase their chances of getting re-elected by giving goodies to voters.

The longer it takes Congress to pass the bailout bill, the more of those goodies are going to find their way into the legislation. Speed is important, not just to protect the financial markets but to protect the taxpayers from having more of their hard-earned money squandered by politicians.

Regardless of what Barack Obama or John McCain may say they are going to do as president, after a trillion dollars has been taken off the top there is going to be a lot less left in the federal treasury for them to do anything with.

Already Senator Christopher Dodd is talking about extending the bailout from the financial firms to homeowners facing mortgage foreclosures-- as if the point of all this is to play Santa Claus.

The huge federal debts that we already have are the ghosts of Christmas past.

Financial institutions are not being bailed out as a favor to them or their stockholders. In fact, stockholders have come out worse off after some bailouts.

The real point is to avoid a major contraction of credit that could cause major downturns in output and employment, ruining millions of people, far beyond the financial institutions involved. If it was just a question of the financial institutions themselves, they could be left to sink or swim. But it is not.

We do not need a replay of the Great Depression of the 1930s, when the failure of thousands of banks meant a drastic reduction of credit-- and therefore a drastic reduction of the demand needed to keep production going and millions of people employed.

But bailing out people who made ill-advised mortgages makes no more sense that bailing out people who lost their life savings in Las Vegas casinos. It makes political sense only to people like Senator Dodd, who are among the reasons for the financial mess in the first place.

People usually stop making ill-advised decisions when they are forced to face the consequences of those decisions, not when politicians come to their rescue and make the taxpayers pay for decisions that the taxpayers had nothing to do with.

The Wall Street Journal, which has for years been sounding the alarm about the riskiness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, recently cited Senator Christopher Dodd along with Senator Charles Schumer and Congressman Barney Frank among those on Capitol Hill who have been "shilling" for these financial institutions, downplaying the risks and opposing attempts to restrict their free-wheeling role in the mortgage market.

As recently as July of this year, Senator Dodd declared Fannie Mae and Freddie "fundamentally strong" and said there is no need for "panicking" about them. But now that the chickens have come home to roost, Senator Dodd wants to be sure to get some goodies from the rescue legislation to pass out to people likely to vote for him.

Don't make any bets on how this situation is going to turn out-- except that we can predict that politicians will blame the "greed" of other people. You can bet the rent money on that.

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When I heard Sen. Dodd and Nancy Pelosi say that the current bill didn't have enough oversight - I knew we were doomed. When the government gets oversight of anything, hold onto your wallet as costs are going to skyrocket. We'll look back on this and think the original projection of 700 billion was peanuts.

Also, with government oversight the ability to do anything is compromised as politicians try to buy votes by pleasing every possible constituency.


Where is the MSM
questioning of Obama and company that said Freddie and Fannie were doing fine? Lets hold them accountable for their lies. Obama and Dodd lied and Wall Street died.

As usual
As usual the Dems are trying to glom on to a spending bill so they can get there hands on some quick cash for their favorite lobbyists. I am so mad I could spit. Where's my bailout? I don't even own a home, yet I am getting stuck with someone else's bill. I guess you have to be REALLY STUPID or REALLY RICH to get favors from Uncle Sam. I remember sayings like, " I'm no charity case", and "I can take care of myself". What happened to these ideas? Is this still America or do we now live in a "Peoples Republic"?

Federal law makers...
... have been forcing employers to hire unqualified people for decades. Federal law makers dumbed down the entire educational system to accomodate unqualified people. Federal law makers forced banks & mortgage companies to put unqualified people into homes.

Federal law makers are sure of one thing: that qualified Americans are saps; that they'll never allow the ship to sink, because they are in it. In the meantime, they can continue to pander to the 'feel-good' politics of race & gender & ethnicity, stirring those pots to win votes while the infrastructure collapses.

pb
Very insightful...BRAVO!

Can we get some action short of armed insurrection?

WHY do they keep talking about --
-- tightening credit markets?

Even the esteemed Thomas Sowell is talking about that being a consequence of no bailout.

I don't get it -- how is a bank going to make any money if they don't lend it out? That's the whole *POINT* of a bank! Lending money is their bread and butter!

Ok, sure, maybe they'll be a little more careful with their loans. The process will be a little slower. But a complete STANDSTILL?

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. That would be like you stop breathing because you think the air might be bad. If we cancel this idiotic bailout, just how long are the banks going to hold their collective breath?

Tax Strike or Armed Revolution?
Time for a tax strike.

If that fails, maybe it will be time for us to use our armed revolutionary heritage once more.

Enough.We should not be agreeing to the bailout. The people who are advising it or the same fools that got the Nation into this mess. We should not heed them, but indict them.

SSA*
Welcome to 'The People's Socialist Republic of Wall Street', a formerly private institution, now mostly in government hands.

Castro and Chavez must be laughing themselves silly.

*the Socialist States of America

FOWG
Some action that'll be short of armed revolution but noticed? Just DO NOT VOTE in the upcoming election. Start a NO VOTE FOR IDIOTS campaign.

Unca Alby.
Yes, Sowell can puzzle one sometimes. So can you, so do we all.

In "The Corps," we had an obscene sentence for what "USMC" really stood for -- many of you know those words.

So, first, there's that.

Then, has anybody considered that the world already has enough children? For a while, anyway?

In reality, that's the bottom line.

Thomas, you wrote:
'...Whenever there is a lot of the taxpayers' money around...'

Sorry, but the taxpayers' money was spent in Iraq.

What you have now is an out-of-control money-printing orgy by an administration that is well on its way to bankrupting your children by running up an un-payable deficit.

With the printing of this give-away-orgy trillion dollars ($1,000,000,000,000.00) America IS bankrupt.

Zimbabwe move over, you've lost the money-printing medal.


The enigma of wealthy leftists
Over the years I've noted the seeming incongruency of wealthy and powerful people who provide vast financial support to the causes of leftists who characterize similarly situated people as the source of most of the evils in the world. Until very recently I've never really stopped to ponder the reasons for this contradictory behavior, but the recent spate of stories concerning Obama and his Chicago cronies and the Dems ties to the financial debacle caused one of those lightbulb over the head moments of insight for me and I now think I understand why they do it. Most of the entrepenuers who have accumulated great wealth in America have done it by being smarter, working harder, and working longer than their competitors and the wealth they accumulated was for most not the primary goal, but a welcome side effect of their labors, not so for the wealthy leftists. For them the wealth and the power it generates are always primary and they seem to have realized that it is much easier to acquire it by corrupting and manipulating politicians than by actually building and running an enterprise. With politicians to extract the wealth from the productive public and funnel it to their supporters, fortunes can be amassed without having to do much of anything for it, other than hosting the occasional fundraiser. With politicians of every stripe scrambling to save us from yet another of their self created crises I suspect the greatest net effect of their efforts will be another vast transfer of wealth to the Soros' and Pritzgers et al who've already profited mightily from creating the disaster. The authorizing legislation will certainly be crafted in a manner sufficiently obtuse that the trial lawyers will be able to skim billions litigating the ensuing chaos.

All of the former officers of
Fanny and Freddie should be in jail and Dodd should be in there with them.

Reuce the size of gov't

Government fundamentally needs to change. We need to provide public education on a sliding scale where the money follows the child rather that paid into a monopolistic systems.

We need competition by eliminating subsidies that are anti-competative.

We need to narrow the scope of benefits and deliver then to the contituent faster and cheaper.

We need to rewrite regulation to allow businesses and individuals agility during this realignment of economic priorities.

There is NOT as great a need for credit as the American consumer ISN'T buying. Personal financial needs will be oriented toward reducing costs through efficencies, reducing housing costs and increasing income.

Business should also be employing the same strategy which will drive unemploment.

Investment in industry and services that address the current needs will bloom. Non-descretionary spending will be the dominant focus. Discretionary spending will suffer and go through mergers and acquisitions to concolidate costs and increase income for remaining businesses.

Lending will have to be oriented toward the realities of slower growth and everyone will need to adjust their expectations.

Reduce the size of government
Government fundamentally needs to change. We need to provide public education on a sliding scale where the money follows the child rather than paid into a monopolistic system. (this will only upset free-loading wealthy liberals and the teacher's union)

Urban school systems should eliminate school busing and allow all children access to Metro.

We need competition by eliminating subsidies that are anti-competative.

We need to narrow the scope of benefits and deliver them to the constituent faster and cheaper.

We need to rewrite regulation to allow businesses and individuals agility during this realignment of economic priorities.

There is NOT as great a need for credit as the American consumer ISN'T buying. Personal financial needs will be oriented toward reducing costs through debt reduction, efficencies, reducing housing costs and increasing income.

Business should also be employing the same strategy which will drive some unemploment.

Investment in industry and services that address the current needs will bloom. Non-discretionary spending will be the dominant focus. Discretionary spending will suffer and go through mergers and acquisitions to concolidate costs and increase income for remaining businesses.

Lending will have to be oriented toward the realities of slower growth and everyone will need to adjust their expectations

Two Words
"Atlas Shrugged"

Dodd, Schumer, and Franks
Call their D. C. offices and demand that they recuse themselves from ANY bailout proceedings! Dodd is a dud! And so are Schumer and Franks!

Sec. Paulson testified to the Senate
Financial Committee yesterday. I watched it on Fox News. He answered most of the questions as many of you would like. He wwarned it must be taken up by the Comm. and voted on in 1 week.
They of course said they will meet and have more questions and add what they wish.
It will be vetoed if they do.

Don't forget Barney
In 2003 Treasury Secretary Snow tried to implement tougher oversights on Frannie and Freddie. Barney Frank cried about how this would impact affordable housing. By this he meant that people that could not afford houses would not be able to get them. Well, DUH! Now all those people that could not afford houses will be able to afford them. If they can't make the payments now we will make them. Marx would be proud.

I'm sick of this
For years our government, both Republican and Democrat, have screwed over the people of this country, creating more and more entitlement programs and moving our country more and more towards socialism.

It's time for Conservatives, not Republicans since not all Republicans are Conservatives, to start voting for the Libertarian party. They're the only party that will end this crap. They're the only party that will fight Democrats with a furor that Conservatives used to fight with.

Reagan isn't here anymore, and his true Conservatism is dead in Washington, even though a vast majority of us still exist out here.

Vote Libertarian instead of refusing to vote, maybe it will get the message across that we want smaller government NOW.

Kind regards to all of you.

Masochism
I have come to the conclusion that a large segment of the population is masochist, for I will be willing to bet the rent, that these bums will be re-elected again, since after all they reside in the masochistic blue states.

a worthy follow-up
I withdraw my concerns stated on Dr. Sowell's previous missive. This is exactly what I had been looking for.

These miserable liars like Dodd
Frank and Schumer have no business anywhere near this bailout. Dodd had the nerve to be on TV talking about mortgage bailouts..the message was clear.elect dems and especially bambi and we will look out for you and maybe even pay off your house. the one you should never have been allowed to buy in the first place.

This is SEC 8 mentality writ large and it came back to bite US as usual. putting people into 100K townhomes etc while we taxpayers picked up 90% of the costs were socialistic experiments that cost billions and ruined entire neighborhoods, drove property values into the ground and hurt the original homeowners who could not sell.
Then it was this..lower the bar till the lender didn't even have to verify employment, NINJA loans, No Income, No Job, Approved.

The banks were so big they couldn't be allowed to fail and they all knew it.
Fire this bunch and start over, but do NOT vote for a dem, they caused this.

DJaces,
AMEN! All that the Left have ever cared about is power--not people of any class and not even the "environment"; just only power. Why? They are weaklings, that's why. Weaklings in character, weaklings in mind. That's why Leftist supporters always sound shrill, whiney, and (heh!) "downright mean" to anyone who doesn't agree with their smugly ignorant, fact-free notions.

Leftists are scrawny and malnutritioned, for their minds and attitudes are not fed on good, robust food; only on fact-free stupidity or the delusions of grandeur that they need to make up for their lack of self-esteem (an esteem they have never taken the trouble to earn). So for them, government is their big, gun-toting thug. The more places they can place the government in the name of anything, the more big, gun-toting thugs they have surrounding them. The more money they have, the more politicians they can buy, and hence the more places they can place the government.

A BETTER IDEA
We can do a lot better with our $700,000,000,000.

Since this is debt our children are going to have to pay, let's give the money to them!

Do the math. For $700,000,000,000 we can give $70,000 to 10,000,000 of our kids for downpayments on their first house!


Thanks
Mr. Sowell,

I have been reading your articles for about a year. I am amazed at how often you shed much needed common sense on so many issues. Please keep it up. I only wish more people would at least "Try on" some of your perspectives.

AJ

Bailout is bad. Lower taxes are good.
It still doesn't make sense at all. Aren't there some taxes we can lower instead to get this market going? I don't understand aren't there homes out there that the banks own that can be sold. Perhaps at a loss. The homeowners have no one to blame but themselves. People with sad stories have always existed, whether we are in a good market or a bad market. I think most of the people owned properties as investments. Like my cousin. Or bought a home they could not afford. Like my brother. They were not being careful. The banks should not have lended the money. Heck if my husband looses his job we will be in the same situation but I don't expect the government to come along side me and pay my mortgage. I say stop all unnecessary taxes until we are back on our feet. Put the big fat government on a diet. Start by taking away politicians retirement packages. The bailout hasn't even been explained to us. Why should we think it is a good idea.

pb
Did "Federal lawmakers" help you learn how to write idiotic comments? Did "Federal lawmakers" ever tell you that you are at the very least a closet racist?

P.S.
Live from the wires. The latest lies from the Dumbocrats.

"One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis's firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/freddie-mac-paid-m ccain-c_n_128770.html

It was the Dimwitocrats that did it.

There is no Democratic Party
any longer. Being hijacked by the Liberal/Socialist, it is Democratic in name only! If you vote for them, or continue allowing them to stay in power your voting for Socialism/Communism to replace our Republic!

The likes of Dodd, Schumer, Franks, and many more (in both parties) are the source and cause of this. But these lying politicians get on TV and try to distract the American people away from themselves. They blame a poor 'mortgage loan' when they are the ones who lowered the standards allowing this. Why? Because they've all become multi-millionaires with their backroom deals of ripping off the taxpayer!

The F.B.I. is now investigating banks and lending companies for fraud, when they should be investigating these congressmen and senators! They are the ones who should be prosecuted and put in prison! But we all know that they won't be as long as the Dims control congress.

Anyone who votes for or allows the Liberal/Socialist (Dims) to remain in control are cutting there own throat and can expect more of the same. To allow this is beyond stupidity!

Pretty Close to Accurate
I will give this one to Sowell he is pretty close to accurate here. But he does leave out Wall Street's irresponsibility and that fact that the government had no choice but to step in after the Marketplace Failed to correct itself.

So here is my take on this. Conservatives like Sowell have always argued that less regulation of industry is better. Moderates have believed in some reasonable regulation. Far left extremists think that all corporations are evil.

Who turned out to be right this time and in this case. It was not redlining or some redevlopment corp it was a lack of regulation and oversight. People making irresponsibile decisions if they are allowed to and Wall Street executives chasing profits at risk to the long term future of their system are part of the system. We can blame them, but in the end we must admit that Capitalism assumes the existence of both of these things.

Competition and the marketplace are supposed to prevent a collapse. Rewarding good behavior and punishing bad but that did not happen.

Take AIG for example. AIG was too big to fail, but how did it get that big? Aren't there suppose to be anti-trust laws so that you end up with a lot of little AIG's rather than one big one. Why didn't AIG trigger an Anti-trust investigation? This is why we need anti-truth laws and administration who are committed to enforcing those laws. Insurance companies are suppose to spread the risk but AIG became antithetical to that.

AIG to enter risky business ventures that threatened its insurance functions placed the firm at risk and make a taxpayer bailout almost enevitable.

Government is to blame here for not watching.

Triumvirate of Incompetence
Dodd, Shumer, and Frank. What a venal triumvirate they make!!! But if you think they're bad, wait until you get Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

McCain must win this election. Gridlock is our only hope, and it's a slim hope at that.

I like it...
"Obama lied and Wall Street died"

Michael

You really think population imploding will make things better?
Just wait and see what the results of your ideas are going to be. That's right around the corner.

Joycey #27
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the sole ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects the money, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people, even though business has to pay thousands or millions of dollars at one time, and get it back from us one dollar at a time.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax eliminations are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone, including government.
One Tax and Done will provide many benefits to all, even government:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third.

Oil and the bailout
At the end of the month, all the restrictions on offshore drilling expire and we open up a source of wealth that dwarfs the bailout.

Liberals, pay attention
TWO WORDS TO THE WISE FOR NANCY PELOSI, ET AL, HARRY REID, ET AL, AND SCOTUS: REMEMBER HISTORY

WHEN KING GEORGE III AND PARLIAMENT CAUSED THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY HAD 3000 MILES OF OCEAN AND A LARGE ARMY AND NAVY BETWEEN THEM AND THE VICTIMS OF THEIR TYRANNY. THAT IS WHY THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS DIRECTED THEIR DISPLEASURE AT A SHIPLOAD OF TEA.

NOW, WHEN U. S. CONGRESS MEMBERS ARE CAUSING THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PATRIOTS THEY ARE BETRAYING, AS WERE THE FRENCH ROYALS WHO WERE GUILLOTINED. NOW THERE ARE 300 MILLION PEOPLE, ALL BEING HURT BY THEIR ACTS OF TREASON.

NOW, THEY CAN BE TRIED FOR TREASON BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE THE LIBERAL BETRAYEL OF OUR NATION AND OF OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL. WHEN BOTH SENATORS AND SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM MANY OF THE STATES COMMIT MULTIPLE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE NATION AND THE PEOPLE, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE CONSTITUENTS TO PROSECUTE THEM, SELECT APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT FOR THEM, AND CARRY IT OUT.

WHEN ATTACKING FORCES USE TRAITORS, THEY DON’T ELEVATE THE TRAITORS AFTER WINNING. THEY GET RID OF THEM, BECAUSE, SINCE THEY COULDN’T BE TRUSTED BY THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND NEIGHBORS, THEY CAN’T BE TRUSTED BY THE ATTACKERS.

Who is to blame?
WHo is to Blame for this? Well there is a lot of blame to go around. Alan Greenspan and the conservative economists who believed that less regulation is always better. The Bush Administration for its weak oversight and disinterest in enforcement of all regulations.

The there is congress and Sowell is right both parties where involved. Shumer who is generally a liberal was positively a hawk when it came to Wall Street. He opposed plugging a loophole that allowed hedge fund managers to treat their earned income as capital gains. Same thing for Joe Biden he backs the Banks 100% siding with Republicans on Bankrupcy Reform. All politics is local and politicians will flip when it comes to whats best for their disrict of state. Conservatives become environmalists when the Nuclear Plant they want to build will be in their back yard. Sarah Palin is opposed except for Alaska where she hired a lobbist to get more. John McCain on occasion has shown some indepence for which he earned the distrust of consevatives, but push comes to shove his ambition has always won out over his principles.
That is why his country firm slogan is so laughable when you really examine his record.

To be fair, Obama really has no record in this area. He has simply not been in a position to create one, but I would assume he would do as others have done.

How ironic that one of the most conservative administrations in our history is about to usher in the most socialist initatives. Speed is important, because the Wall Street Lobbiest have already decended on Washington to fight against curbs on corporate compensation. They argue the government should not be telling coroprations how much to pay their execs.

I say when you are a corporate welfare queen looking for handouts you should lose a few rights in the process. Don't want the restrictions, don't take the handout.



Ron
Plase STOP shouting. You are very scary.

Ron
I bought the book. But I also have to read it.

Unca Alby
Your point is valid but, it cuts both ways. The danger is a cascading effect. Banks tighten credit, there is less investment and jobs created. Then there are less qualified borrowers and less lending etc. etc. etc. Many mistakes were made in the 1930s prolonging and deepening the depression. Things are different today and we are more knowledgeable about what the government can and cannot do. Another Great Depression? Not hardly. A prolonged recession? Maybe.

For an economy to expand, money and credit must expand also. As Sowell states, more demand for goods and services is linked to higher demand for credit. The danger from a credit crunch is that is becomes a self feeding contraction instead of expansion.

All banks hold sizable portfolios of treasury securities, considered risk free. They may not prosper without lending but, they can stay alive earning a small spread between the cost of funds and securities holdings at least for a while.

The commercial banking system is not that bad off yet. Most of the problems appear to be related to the securities sold by Fannie and Freddie to Wall Street firms and insurance companies. The bailout is supposed to keep it contained and prevent the virus from infecting the overall banking system.

The real issue is, can the bailout be done effectively with the least amount of taxpayer money and some accountability for those responsible? Not likely. How about an earmark stating that the reelection of Dodd and Frank triggers a complete cutoff of all federal money to Conn and Mass. Now, that would be progress. Anybody care to take a bet they don't get reelected? My money says the people of those states want more of the same.

fJM041's false premises
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were created by the government and exempted by the government from the same rules that apply to private firms. Liberal Dims like Franklin Raines were able to set up a system where they would be compensated royally for making loans that would never be paid back - a policy that would quickly have been weeded out by market forces where there would be no "government guarantee" of fraudulent loans.

Government meddling in the mortgage market set up this system of perverse incentives.

The market is self-correcting. Politically motivated governmental meddling destroyed corrective market forces. In effect, Fannie & Freddie are government pyramid schemes.

Mega-firm size is usually a response to tax laws that favor large firms by, eg, allowing them to write off losses by divisions against their profits.


GAS PRICES
Democrats are going to let the oil-drilling ban expire. They could reduce the price by eliminating all the taxes, and replacing them with ONE proper tax to collect all revenue for each level of government..

Eliminate the 18.4 (soon 28.4) cents per gallon federal pump tax, and the 32 cents per gallon, PA State pump tax. Eliminate all the other taxes in existence, on all levels of government, plus Obama’s intended “excess profits” tax, which add up to one-third (1/3) of the price – of everything.

You could greatly reduce the price by writing a law which declares that ALL OFFSHORE OIL AND OIL ON PUBLIC LANDS BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and hiring the domestic oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products TO US for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit.

This would eliminate the foreign nations’ price per barrel, the speculators’ add-on charge, the oil-tanker-ship charge, the oil spills when the tanker ships run aground, and the clean-up cost thereof. This would reduce the price for refined petroleum to well under a dollar a gallon, and make us independent of the Arabs and all other oil-selling peoples.

Goshawk
Don't believe it. Congress did not lower the standards it eliminated the regulations that forced the banks to have a standard. It did what conservatives have been asking politicians to do let the market place make these decisions. The government did encourage low interest loans for homebuyers but those where not the loans that went belly up.

As to prosecuting, you can't prosecute for stupidity or bad business decisions, you just have to make sure that these people don't profit from their mistakes on you the backs of the taxpayers.

Finally, there are a few people who should be prosecuted and those are mortgage brokers who steered customers into risky subprime mortgages when they would have qualified for safer fixed rate FHA mortages at better terms. They did so to increase their commissions at the espense of their fiduciary responsibilities. They will smak actors in the whole drama, but they should not get away scott free and should be prosecuted as a deterent to future bad behavior.

One thing, I notice that you left out any anger at the Bush Administration or any Republicans in Congress? Are you that biased and partisan that you think anything that happens even in a Republican Administration must be the fault of some democrat?


Speed is of the essance
before Pelosi and any of the other pork barrel people tack their favorite bacon onto the bailout.

Obama likes to talk about special interest money slaming McCain for taking money. But WHO really got dirty money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? If you go back to 1989, in his minuscule time in the Senate, Obama is in second place to long time Senator Chris Dodd for collecting goodies. "Obama in his aprox 180 days of active Senate duty has taken in $126,349 directly connected to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac."

This guy amazes me. He's like all smoke and mirrors. George Soros and several other multi millionaires are supporting him. Why? Besause he is corruptible. What a nightmare!

To expand a little
on my previous post,I believe we would have seen a prolonged recession if we had just let the market handle the correction. It would never become another Great Depression. However, the purpose here is to prevent even a small recession but, at what cost? Does the danger of recession and its cost exceed the cost of the bailout and all its attendant pork and new regulation. We will never know the true answer.

With the likes of Dodd and Barney Fife and their brethren virtually guaranteed reelection regardless of the harm they have caused, the future is not bright enough to wear shades imho.

JM051 #39
That is intended to be very scary to the liberal traitors.

HOW TO PAY FOR THIS MESS

.....How about shutting down all the agencies in the Federal Government that are not authorized in the Constitution and using the saving to buy back the bad loans that government forced the banks to make? ...

.....The FBI is investigating Fannie/Fredie, Leyman Bros & AIG for fraud ...how about including Frank, Schumer and Dodd and throw in ethical violations to boot ...

.....If there was any justice in the World those three clowns would be behind bars .....COLOSSUS

JM051's false premises
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were created by the government and exempted by the government from the same rules that apply to private firms. Liberal Dims like Franklin Raines were able to set up a system where they would be compensated royally for making loans that would never be paid back - a policy that would quickly have been weeded out by market forces where there would be no "government guarantee" of fraudulent loans.

Government meddling in the mortgage market set up this system of perverse incentives.

The market is self-correcting. Politically motivated governmental meddling destroyed corrective market forces. In effect, Fannie & Freddie are government pyramid schemes.

Mega-firm size is usually a response to tax laws that favor large firms by, eg, allowing them to write off losses by divisions against their profits.


2009 Budget Deficit > $500bn
The government has no money, it's more broke than Freddie, Fannie, AIG, Lehman, Goldman and Morgan Stanley combined! Check out the Concord Coalition's traveling group of former CBO accountants' talks about the debt snowball headed towards us. It's more frightening than I Know What Scream You Did on the Cellphone Last Grudge Summer.

http://www.concordcoalition.org/

Ask yourselves how much MORE DEBT you are willing to pass on to your children's, children's children's children? Are you willing to endure 5-10 years of financial pain to alleviate them? Then ask yourself whether anyone in any branch of this putrid federal ponzi scheme we call government can be trusted with your grocery money let alone a bailout.

Ron
Subject: GAS PRICES

I like the idea of "You could greatly reduce the price by writing a law which declares that ALL OFFSHORE OIL AND OIL ON PUBLIC LANDS BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and hiring the domestic oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products TO US for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit."

That would eliminate that costly notion of free market and competitiveness that has so damaged this country.

JMO51
Guess you didn't fully read or comprehend what I wrote. Anyone can see I was speaking of both parties. I am a registered independent and hold no allegiance to any party. I'm only concerned only for what's best for our country.

All corrupt politicians need to be cleaned out of our government!

By the way, I hate Liberal/Socialists and the damage they've done, and are still doing to our country!

bailout
Why not just let the chips fall where they may.

Who's fault is it when ordinary people try to buy homes they cannot pay for?

Not my fault, if the feds made this mess, let's get those clowns out of government.

I think Baseballdoc has the answer, what do you think?

Just another example of the federal gov entering into private enterprise.

God help us if noboma gets in--we'll be in worse shape than we are now.

McCain-Palin NOW!!

Recession or Depression
Everyone seems to haggle over what defines these terms that are bandied about. Considering that yesterday the amount being considered was 700 billion dollars and today the sum has jumped to 1 trillion in some articles, I suspect that we are about to be sh** upon, folks.

I don't know about anyone else on these forums, but our family is preparing (whatever we can actually do) for a second depression.


GAS PRICES

.....RON ...there is no way that your suggested policies could work ...

.....I mean how could the politicians benefit personally by actually doing something that would be good for the man on the street? ...

.....Seriously, if the Feds followed the model of Texas and Alaska, both of which have budget surpluses and no income tax many of our Countries problems could be solved ...

.....But how do you convince the voters of MA (Barney Frank), CT (Cris Dodd) and NY (Chuck Schumer) not to vote for those cretins? .....COLOSSUS

A couple points
The FBI is sarting an investigation into all this mess. One can hope there will be some justice for the purseholders/taxpayers.

We'll be doing some sort of payout, so I'd like to see a perp-walk for some of the co-conspirators. Schumer, Dodd, Gorelick, Frank would be a good start. My personal fantasy is that I get to give them a wedgie as they are led off to jail. Sighhh. BOHICA is more of the reality.

bailout
Good question, h20skier, where is MSM you ask.

Why their still digging up old dead stuff on Sarah, didn't you know.

They would'nt attack the crooked feds, that's the hand that feeds them--noboma, pelosie, barny, etc,etc.

end game
Politico's, corporate fraudsters, might be time to "hit the road" FBI's hot on the trail,course you could always jump off a building.

Prognostication vs procrastination
In an effort to create "affordable" housing for "disadvantaged" people government leveraged those who could afford housing to guarantee these loans. By "guaranteeing" loans to individuals who could otherwise not qualify, government was staking future tax proceeds to guarantee these loans. Now that those previously accused of "redlining" have run into trouble, because they were "persuaded" by community organizers to extend loans to unqualified individuals, government will need a scapegoat. It must be corporate greed.

Those that could previously afford a house will be restricted in the future from purchasing a house due to cost increases. Oh, that is OK you say because we will only tax the "rich". Who do you think builds houses? Poor People? There ain't no free lunch.

Many have written on this government created crisis. Many will refuse to recognize the governments role in this fiasco. I will not add to the commentary except to say, if you think this is bad wait until social security really kicks in. You ain't seen nothin' yet!

Government will not be held responsible. Voters will continue to vote for those that promise the moon.

Tibby

Repossed Homes
Aren't going to evaporate. They will be bought at a price that reflects the real value of the property by people who can AFFORD to make the payments. THAT is AFFORDABLE housing.

Americans Beware…

The FED (Democrats & Republicans) got us into this mess and now they want to get us out of it, but only if they can use it for “PORK’N”; hold on to your wallets. One TRILLON is only the beginning of what could be America’s final downfall. They are a bunch of hypocrites and traitors to the principles that makes America the greatest nation on earth. Many should go to jail or at least lose their job; still many more should resign; for they let this happen under their watch.

“WE THE PEOPLE” must take action and prevent this cure from becoming worse than the disease. For if we do nothing, we will have no one to blame but ourselves. Phone, fax, e-mail, write, and sound-off; let your elected officials at all levels of government know how you feel. Stand-up and fight for your liberty and freedom from a government of the few, at the expense of the many.


Any Thoughts Regarding the Bailout
I think I have an understanding of how we got into this crisis. Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of the proposed bailout, if we should even have the bailout, and if so to what extent? I am not an economist or investor so I welcome the thoughts of those of you on Townhall.com with better knowledge of the issues surrounding the proposed bailout.

Wes, H2oskier, We know the MSM isn't
going to investigate or even ask why Congress is not investigating, but that is the real question, why is Congress not investigating the Freddie/Fannie fiasco? Because of where it will lead. Right to Dodd, Frank, Schumer, and a few others.

tibby
your comment is a red herring

the cra laws have been on the books for 30 years and if they were the problem it would have reared its head by now.

the problem started when house prices were rising more than 50% a year and banks and mortage companies "bundled" the mortgages like securities and sold them off.

to blame this on minorities or the poor is absurd.


I'm Curious!
Yes, I am. Who stands to lose money? The executives of these companies? The stockholders who allowed said executives to take their organizations down while enriching their own coffers? The investors who wanted to jump on the bandwagon? The Democrats who facilitated the companies' demise by pushing for riskier and riskier loans? The mortgagees who couldn't afford their houses or loans or taxes in the first place?

Well, it seems to me that normal people who can afford their homes and mortgages shouldn't be in too much difficulty. Any institution would be happy to lend such people money, knowing that the chance of repayment is high.

So, why should our tax money bail these people out? It's surely another step in the socialization of our Country, preparatory to a possible Obama win and the ushering in of the great Socialist experiment---well, maybe not an experiment. Obama and his cronies have professed and practiced socialism in one manner or the other for many years.

So, if you think things are bad now, 'you ain't seen nothin' yet!' Obama and his posse are trying to get to Washington to finish the job.

YO Let's all relax
If you are going to complain about govt. spending, then let's go down memory lane and get the whole pictue. What the govt. has spent on terribly inefficient social programs dating back to FDR makes the expenditures on the conflict in Iraq seem like chump change. I didn't see anything in your obviously slanted post complaining about that. If you were truly concerned about govt. spending, that is the elephant in the room that you and the dems (who are really socialists) conveniently omit.

Ron: One Tax and Done
Ron, is it one tax, or is it graduated? It can't be both.

Also, did you know that a progressive (i.e., graduated) income tax is a plank of the Communist Manifesto?

If you really want to see what a simple and fair tax plan looks like, I would direct you to the Americans for Fair Taxation site. I don't know if links are allowed, so just google the word Fairtax, and it should come up.

Joycey: Unnecessary taxes
If the taxes are unnecessary now, then why can't we just stop them altogether and never start them back up again?

djaces
excellent analysis in you post on Sep 24, 2008 at 5:15 AM EST, but please do us all a favor and mix in a paragraph ending.


Jim

A BETTER IDEA


I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.


Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend .

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend .

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00

.....COLOSSUS

Reply #28
Your nonsensical questions mark only how you think: the last resort of a snide race-baiter.

baseballdoc,

nothing personal, but I think your math is a little off. 85b divided by 200m equals $425.00, not $425,000.

that old Urban legend,


RJBJr Location: FL
Reply # 25
Date: Sep 24, 2008 - 8:28 AM EST
A BETTER IDEA
We can do a lot better with our $700,000,000,000.

Since this is debt our children are going to have to pay, let's give the money to them!

=====

You repeat that old Urban legend, and it is not even half the story.

Over and over people complain that we are running up a national debt that our poor children will have to pay.

Well, due to inflation, each million dollars borrowed to win WW II would cost the equivalent of $80,000 today.

And think of this, if your parents left you a $100,000 debt that just had to be paid off, that would be terrible, wouldn’t it. Terrible that is until you found that they had left you a $1,000,000 home that was free and clear of mortgage.

Same thing for the nation. So what if they are left a few trillion dollars they need to pay to themselves (and some people in foreign nations). Just look around and see the hundred’s of trillion dollars worth of buildings, roads, knowledge, and on and on, that we and our ancestors created for them.

Think a little. Well, I guess you have already done that, now try thinking a lot.


National Socialism
The oft-repeated phrase used to justify the fraudulent and obscene trillion dollar tax-payer funded bailout of a failed, corrupt financial system is that the financial entities involved are "too big to be allowed to fail". I would like to suggest that, on the contrary, the financial players involved in this greed-driven mess cooked up by Wall Street, the Congress, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac (and Daffy Duck) are too big to be allowed to SUCCEED, if success can only be purchased by using others people's money to bail them out from the logical consequences of their greed and ineptitude. If our lawmakers vote for this bailout, they are literally rewarding corrupt behaviour, and enabling it to continue. The bailout will NOT solve the problem, but will be simply another lurch downward towards national insolvency and bankruptcy.

The Great Depression Changed Attitudes
Another excellent article Dr. Sowell; you are most correct in your statement that we don't know how much a bail out would actually cost the American tax payer. However, in another bail out, Chrysler Corp. repaid the US government after it was bailed out and I wonder if strings were attached such as an oversight committee. I am amused with some of the comments, and saddened by the fact that some are so "right on" especially the comment by MD/MG. It is regretful that people are elected to Congress over and over when they have no concern whatsoever with serving the people of this country. It appears we may be closer to the end of America as we know it than the birth of the nation. General attitudes must change if that is to be prevented and it will be difficult since companies and lawyers are thriving on business associated with people over extending credit. The Great Depression changed the attitudes of many people regarding sound fiscal policies and at this point we can only hope that it will not take such a drastic event to wake up the American people. Again, there's no such thing as a free lunch!

Just do th opposite of what you did

Twenty to thirty years ago I had my own RE loan activity, loaning my own money, and fighting foreclosures and bankruptcies. The “easiest” way to solve this whole problem is just have all the people who caused it in the first place, reverse what they did, and now do it right.

That mean turning crooks and sinners into brilliant honest people in 5 minutes.

Believe me I could write a 100 page book on just my little adventure into the loaning business. I learned enough to get out of it while I was still in good shape.

I bet you don’t know how much of a liar your neighbor and even your Grandmother is, until you get involved in giving them a loan.

I remember this Sweetie Gem

Thirty or forty years ago Sweetie had a “kink” in her back, from all that heavy housework.
_______________________________
She asked, “Please help me put on this bra.”
_______________________________
I replied, “I don't know how to do that.”
_______________________________
She responded, “Just do the opposite of what you usually do.”
_______________________________
And it worked!!!

Same thing would work with the lending agencies, if they had as much interest in their job as I had in that one.



buffet
Democrat Warren Buffet had high praise for Hillary and Barack during the primary season. Hmmm. Deep value investor picking up a chunk of Goldmund Sachs for pennies today. Why can't the US Taxpayer get that deal? Democrats blocking efforts to reform Freddie and Fannie for, well, forever led to the crises that guys like Buffet will gorge themselves upon. He knew what party would make him a bundle through incompetence.

BTW, Andrea Mitchell should recluse herself from any reportage duties until after the election as hubby Greenspan is up to his neck in responsibility for the crises and her bias is beyond the pale.

A Political Solution: Part Two
In order to comment on the government's proposed economic buyout plan, the writer should have a basic understanding of "money" in today's economy. Thomas Sowell's article lacks insight of the roots underpinning this economic disaster.

Other then coins, money has been privatized by large financial institutions, and in reality exists only in the form of credit. The big banks have been defrauding the American people for years. Knowing that they will always be bailed out as a result of their failed high risk investments, they have continued to perpetrate what may be America's most insidious economic scam, creating what is known as the "derivatives" market, luring investors to buy into stock options that are essentially valueless but appear to offer insurance against market losses.

When investors learn that these derivatives are worthless, they bail out en masse...as a result the house of cards comes crashing down, as we are seeing now. The current proposed $700 billion government buyout rewards CEO's of failed instutions and penalizes taxpayers while perpetuating the very scheme that caused the problem to begin with.

At this point, Mr. Sowell, there isn't enough money in the entire global economy to erase a deficit that actually is in the quadrillions of dollars. There is no money in our economy, and if Americans don't wake up soon to this fact, our government will throw us into depression that will make 1929 look like a boom year. Meanwhile, the criminal element behind all of this walks away untouched, their profits neatly tucked away in Swiss banks, multi-million dollar homes, yachts and private islands in the Pacific and Carribean.

Do some research. I dare you to disprove what I have just told you.

ML Smith
The Dutchess Beat

I have a solution
Sarcasm ON

Let's put all those involved in jail then work backwards to find who is actually guilty.

That way the problem is solved because those that caused the problems can't cause any more trouble.

For the few innocents caught up in this dragnet, we give them a million for their trouble and say "We're Sorry"...for the rest we start hanging them in the public square.

This includes all those in govt. that scammed this situation, those in corporate environments that took advantage, and their stinking lawyers, those supposed victims that didn't know they couldn't pay a mortgage 10 times their incomes etc.

Using the same old same old legal system to ferret out the crooks will do nothing but employ tons of scumbag lawyers and end up with nothing. My way will solve the problem...Hey Libs should love it except their cronies will be on the heavy side of the list...

Sarcasm OFF

As Always Dr. Sowell, Excellent Report
Interesting that when oil prices soar and predictable wind-fall profits are created, Congress has every oil CEO in sight lined up like criminals awaiting a strip search.

The oil spike was not a failure but an awareness of supply and demand principles that needed to be negotiated. No business failures. No job losses. No wealth loss.

However, the mortgage crisis is different: Banks and lending institutions are failing. Real wealth and jobs are dissapearing. Now, this is something that truly needs to be investigated.

Yet, not one word from Congress as to any CEO investigation in the same fashion as with oil executives. My guess is that the current Congress, unlike oil, has too much "skin" in the banking business. For Democrats, investigating the Banking business is nearly as stupid as calling in artillery to your own co-ordinates.

Heck, Obama, a 100% party-line follower, even has ex-CEO's of Fannie & Freddie on his team. Frank, Durbin and Dobbs are essentially on the boards of directors.

Imagine if this were a mere contract scandal where a simple procedural was ignored for expeiency of war, such as no bid was involved and a past executive worked in the Bush Administration --- boy! Congress would be howling, then!

Well, I read somewhere that the Bush Administration has acted to investigate this mess. Let's see who does the perpetrator's walk on this one. Unfortunately, it will not happen until after the election, if at all, if the Democrats win.


Mort Should Read More Sowell
Mort offers, "creating what is known as the "derivatives" market, luring investors to buy into stock options that are essentially valueless but appear to offer insurance against market losses."

You are as dumb as a post. Try not to be so scared of what you do not understand. Did you go to Public School?

Stock options, swaps or whatever are not mysteries to anyone that deals in them. There is no "luring". (unless of course, you are one of those innocent victims that thinks McDonald's "lured" you into eating a double cheese burger). As to Options and swaps, they are simply buy-sell agreements, whereby incremental gains are matched by incremental losses. Zero sum.

No magic. This is simple stuff.

Paragraph #6
Read this paragraph, my fellow victims, and know the truth. Our congress has sold the country for the sake of their perpetual incumbency. Can any rational person wonder why our country should remain dependent upon a transcendental, transcendental, I say, moral code which calls us to honesty or suffer the wrath of God? Our legislators have no regard for the welfare of their constituents at all. At all. All legislation is considered only for its potential to gather votes from special interests. The majority of hard-working Americans who pay their bills, including their taxes, are taken for granted. We are too busy working for our livings to lobby Washington. Since our congress is for sale and I fear always will be, it behooves us, as the hard-working core of America, to form our own lobbying entity to pay the creeps to do what they, as honest brokers, should have done in the first place. Short of that, never vote for an incumbent if at all possible.

AMAZING?
Not one Republican politician is mentioned in this article,which seeks to place the blame on Congress/Senate. A thinking person might ask; Where were all the "Expert" before this crisis? How is it, that the "FED" nor Treasury saw what was taking place. Congress does not have the Fiduciary responsibility,which is statutorily levied on these agencies. Dr.Sowell should be embarrassed to write these "Lies",but I guess some people will do anything not to be "Irrelevant". How very SADDDD...

Re: Amazing
Hey Killer. People were trying to stop this. McCain, Bush both tried and were shot down by the likes of Democrats, most notoriously Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

But, the problem runs much deeper than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but to Wall Street, much of which is run by rich Democrats, who built a house of cards speculating on bad mortgages. When loans started going bad, you had Clintonistas loosening rules to pump more bad loans in the mix to shore up the collapse. And, when those loans went bad, the card house came tumbling down.

As far as I'm concerned there should be investigations and prosecutions. But, you notice that the Democrat congress, that would investigate anything if they thought a Republican was involved, is strangely silent. Wonder why?

Pablo St Cruz
Government controls all ofshore oil and all oil on public lands. Politicians will sell leases and keep the money for themselves. They will also tax the lease holders. THAT is all called Communism. We-the-people will have to pay the lease money and the tax money to the lease holders as higher prices for oil products.

If the oil were, instead, designated as "belonging to citizens of the United States", we would all be shareholders of the oil. The domestic oil companies would be hired in the name of the shareholders, and hundreds of billions of dollars of lease fees would not be added to the price of products that we would have to pay.

We the shareholders would get the products for the cost of processing plus a small profit to the processors. There would not be any cost to us for crude oil because we already own it, or from speculators, and transportation from foreign countries because it's already here. We would be energy independent.

Replacing all the existing taxes with "One tax And Done" would remove all the taxes (which we would pay) from the cost of processing and from the price we pay.

This Is Congress's Mess - Thank You
Killer offers, "Congress does not have the Fiduciary responsibility,which is statutorily levied on these agencies."

Wrong.

You may have missed this, but Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack, the "ground zero" of the mortgage melt-down, have been tools of Congress for some time. Congress is essentially their boards of directors.

If a Republican was within an inch of this problem, Congress would have field-dressed him, already. They would love to bring in some CEO's for their circus hearings like they did "Oil". However, the Democrat finger prints are all over this cookie-jar. They can't throw one stone without it hitting themselves or Obama's train.

Obama, voting 100% Democrat without even a whisper of discontent, is nothing more than a sock-puppet of the Demoratic machine. He is their greatest invention, next to regulating banks, of course. Heck, two of Freddie Mack and Fannie Mae CEO's are on the Obama train.

If Democrats have anything to do with it, the truth is going to be hidden from public until long after the elections. And, if they win, we may never hear the truth.

wsbowles Gets It!!
wsbowles offers, "As far as I'm concerned there should be investigations and prosecutions. But, you notice that the Democrat congress, that would investigate anything if they thought a Republican was involved, is strangely silent. Wonder why?"

Absolutely!!

Let's hope Bush goes after this one.... hard!

A "Political" Solution II
1. Dodd, Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Barney Frank, Schumer, Durbin et al have benefited from donations/contributions from the financial & real estate industry.

2. We have a Congress & Senate where 90% of the people are "me too" followers.

3. They are people like Joe Biden whose only skills are plagiarism, commit a gaffe a day, and basically are totally ignorant about their duties and responsibilities.

As one radio talk show host said "We have been robbed by the Democrats and the Republicans are driving the getaway car".

Barack Obama goes to $28,500 per plate dinner in Hollywood, another $28,000 per plate dinner in Chicago. Obama made over $4 million dollars last year and yet does not have compassionate bone in his body to help his poor brother who lives in a small hut.

Obama is a hypocritical opportunist and if it had not been for the Iraq he would not have a "political leg" to stand on. He had to finally admit to the success of the "surge in Iraq". Like him the Congress and Senate are full of self-serving opportunistic hypocrites.

John McCain is one Senator who has been fighting the corruption in the Washington beltway and for this he suffered the scorn of all types of people in the whole spectrum.

Give McCain-Palin the opportunity to clean up Washington; throw out Kerry, Durbin, Frank, Pelosi etc.

Elect Sauerberg as Senator from Illinois.

Reply to pablo st. cruz:
Your argument(reply #51)is fundamentally flawed.

Government creates a financial mess when it attempts to interfere with the free market economy. Whether this interference comes from the Republicans or the Democrats is of little importance. When business is robbed through excessive regulation and taxation, the incentive to produce a better and cheaper product or service vanishes. Economies that rely on central planning will always fail. This is due to the fact that socialist economies are ill equipped to react to and deal with changes in any given market. What you propose is nothing more than a central planning economic system (socialism). Free markets are a self correcting mechanism. Those businesses that do not respond well to the laws of supply and demand will fail and those that do will thrive. However, if the profit motive is removed, business is stagnant and has no incentive whatsoever to improve. The rich in a free society are the people that provide the jobs. It is not generally a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you.

You would do well to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to see what would happen if the producers in a society decide to suddenly stop producing when saddled with socialist policy that robs them to distribute their wealth to the leeches of society.

I used to think as you do now. It took a few years to undo the damage of brainwashing by government schools.

To Lise and Baseballdoc
I have written an 81 page workbook that spells out the wisdom of your remarks. It is titled
"A SENIOR CITIZEN'S PRE-ELECTION WORKBOOK". It gives a common sense solution to the major unsolved problems carried over from the last century into this century by our "PART TIME" elected officials. None of the elected leaders will acknowledge the workbook even when I sent a copy to them. Probably because it points out how they have made their positions into the cloest thing we have to royality in our country. Would you say that more of their time is spent on re-election than serving the citizens? TERM LIMITS is the answer unless we want our country to become a third world country as more and more of our good paying jobs go overseas as they continue building their caste system with more and more secular socialist liberal policies. When they say they want to help the "LITTLE PEOPLE"(their term)who profits the most? The secular socialist elected officials, of both parties, or the "LITTLE PEOPLE"? go figure. a concerned senior citizen

Mac Moore
I did not waste my time mentioning "Freddie and Fannie". I cannot believe, that Americans are this "Dumb". Someone said, that Mr.Bush and Mr. McCain tried to stop this but was stopped by Mr. Dodd. The Democrats won leadership in 2006. I was warning people in 2006, that this economy was in "Trouble". I,personally asked Mr. Paulson about a scenario wherein China would pull funds. None of you even understand the "Context" of that question. Fortunately,he did! And yet here we are...

Go to Bloomberg.com
to see an interesting article called "How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis" by Kevin Hassett. Read it and see how and why this crisis started. Of course the libs will say it is biased, or some other such cr@p. Read the article then come back here and see if you can shoot legitimate holes in it.

Killer Doesn't Get It
killer offers, "Someone said, that Mr.Bush and Mr. McCain tried to stop this but was stopped by Mr. Dodd. The Democrats won leadership in 2006."

Actually, a threatened filibuster killed both opportunities.

Filibusters, a synchronized temper-tantrum that stops all Congressional activities, are how Congressional minorities can thwart policies. So, in 2003 it worked against a Bush fix for Fannie & Freddie and in 2005 it worked against a McCain fix.

Politics is interesting. You should read up on it. The education might help you understand what goes on around you.

This is pretty simple stuff. You do not even have to ask Pat Paulsen to figure this out.

FUNNY MATH

.....EDDIE TOO ...

....Gee I was using the same calculator that Congress uses when it figures the budget ...what could have gone wrong? .....COLOSSUS

FRANK

.....Terms limits were tried and shot down ...it would take a Constitutional Amendment and big majorities in both Houses ...sorry but it is not going to happen .....COLOSSUS

Hitchhiker - - -
"The danger from a credit crunch is that is becomes a self feeding contraction instead of expansion."

I say we risk it.

I'll bet anything the banks will NOT stop lending, and are just using that as a threat to get the bailout.

I mean, come on. What, 92, 95, or 98% of the debtors out there have got good credit scores, paying jobs, documented income, and everything else they're supposed to have. You're gonna tell me that a fellow with an 800 score is going to be turned down for a loan from a solid bank, just as a snit because they couldn't get Uncle Sam to buy off their bad paper?

A bank with money to lend would rather sit on it than turn it into low-risk income? They're going to cry and pout, "Awwww, we didn't get our bailout! We're going to hold our breath until we turn blue!"

I don't think so. The only reason they're trying to paint this as a "crisis" is because it's the only way the American People will be sucker enough to go along with it.

I say let 'em pout. Let's just see how long they can *really* hold their breath.

who to bail out
Looks like it is a choice of rewarding CEO and bank officials who made REALLY BAD judgement to get their big financial institutions in trouble.
The other is the John Doe who jumped at owning a house. Of course it is only going to go up in value say the sales men waiting to make a big bonus on the sale.

And it is not only bad mortgages. Those big banks were doing more than just playing around bundling up the bags of mortgages and selling them off at a profit to another investor. They were taking their own investors money and playing the stock market them selves to increase their big bonuses.

there jolly well had better be some strings attached to that bailout.
Take Action Now!
vicki,
President Bush's proposed $700 billion bailout of financial institutions is a no-strings-attached giveaway to those who brought us this crisis. If Congress is going to throw a taxpayer-funded life jacket to financial elites, the nation is going to have to get much more in return.
I am asking you to write your U.S. Representative and U.S. Senators now and demand that they oppose the no-strings Bush bailout and ensure that any package that is passed includes these three most basic principles:

* The bailout must be fair. Taxpayers must acquire part ownership of any company we bail out, just as any other investor would expect.
* The bailout must be responsible. Corporations that are bailed out by taxpayers must be subject to the same regulations that guide other taxpayer-owned entities
The bailout must plan for the future. Corporations must not be allowed to do this again. Any bail out package must strengthen government oversight and regulation of financial institutions.
Just forking over money doesn't cut it!

Unca Alby Says Let Them Collapse!
Unca Alby offers, "A bank with money to lend would rather sit on it than turn it into low-risk income?"

Now, there's the rub: no money.

Credit is an amazing phenomenon. It propels the economy at hyperbolic speeds, yet is as fragile as a house of cards. It is like a ferroceous hurricane that feeds on itself, yet can die like a lamb when any one of its contributors recedes. Big GDP producers, like America, are all about credit.

Nearly all credit in the USA is, one way or another, linked to real estate values. Real Estate growth was credit's big contributor. If real estate was clipping away at 5, 10 and 20% increase in value every year, credit was expanding at the same rate. Now, it has collapsed by 30% or so. As an example a bank holding a $100,000 real estate anchored Certificate of Deposite for a given account, now only has $70,000. Ooooops! Not good.

Now, multiply that by millions. My bad!

Trust me on this, banks are just inventions of man. They are not living animals. If you let them all fail, "they", being nothing but a figment of our imagination, won't be the one's getting punished.

In a credit melt down, the only people that get hurt are us. So, how do you want the pain? Now, with a 2"x4" spiked with nails? Or, slowly, like water torture? Either way, we are going to feel it. And, it ain't gonna be pretty.

The only thing that I am interested in is how to pry Congress's grubby little paws off of our money so that this does not happen again? The Democrats saw Fannie and Freddie as their personal cookie jar. How do we remove them from the cookie jar?

Who Sowell Does Not Blame
Please note who Sowell does not Blame.

Wall Street or the Bush Administration

In her column today Michelle Malkin blames illegals, she does not blame Wall Street or the Bush Administration.

Most of the comments on townhall by conservatives don't blame Wall Street or the Bush Administration.

Does anyone find this a little absurd.

Re: Hitchhiker & Unca Alby
The fact we are having this discussion is what makes me mad. I have not heard one peep from our leaders simply laying down our options and telling us what will happen if we ride it out versus what will happen if we sign-up to spend a trillion bucks. Is it a choice between a deep bit short recession versus a moderate but very long one?

To Unca, what I have gleaned from various sources is that if the credit markets seize, banks stop loaning banks money and money market funds collapse. I am no expert, but what that suggests to me is not only is there no money to lend to buy houses and cars, I'm thinking there is a threat to even the use of credit cards. That's just a hypothesis and I welcome a more informed perspective.

Don't get me wrong; everyone from the government to the mortgage brokers and debtors can cook for all I care. What I want is a straight forward explanation of the choices so I can make an intelligent choice without those pigs in Washington telling me how they need to protect their particular lobbying constituency.

Congressional oversight: The voters
The constitutionally designated means of holding politicians accountable is the voting public. Kick them out!

YOUR Share

of a Billion or Trillion dollars is easy to calculate. If there is approximately 300 million people in the U.S.A., and a billion is a 1000 million and a trillion is a 1000 billion, THEN

$3.33 is your share of $1 Billion

$3,330.00 is your share of $1 Trillion

SO, your share of the National Debt (10 Trillion round numbers) is $33,300; or for a family of four, $133,200, or a mortgage on a small home in the midwest.

The INITIAL $700 Billion for the "Bailout" is $2,331/person or $9,324 for a family of four.

Government, at all levels, is the out of control source of this debt. Stop voting for people who promise to give you things; 'er I mean more debt!

A Penny Saved Is A Penny Earned
It appears that the people at the top need to pay back the debt because they caused the debt. So, they can cut their salaries. They have failed us. They can cut out all pork barrel spending. They can cut government programs like studying the flight of the butterfly. They can stop looking the other way. They can stop blaming the poor and minorities. They can stop spending taxpayer funds earmarked for projects approved by voters for other projects or programs. They can stop handing out favors to their buddies. They can start by remembering that our tax dollars aren't there to do with as they desire while disregarding the will of the people. They can ask Iraq to pay us back with oil for making them a free country at our expense. They can force China to reciprocate when it comes to importing and exporting. They can hire CEO's with successful track records to run the country as a business rather than running this country as if the only ones that matter are the haves and the constitution is but a mere piece of paper and prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance aren't important or placing one's hand on the Bible isn't necessary or listening to the people and following the will of the people isn't required. Good grief, they need to look at themselves in the mirror and say, "What can I do for my country and what can I do for our citizens?" And, if they really want to get back on track, they can admit that God is in control because the proof is in the pudding and believing that men in places of power are in control hasn't proven fruitful since they've decided to kick God out of politics and out of the country.

JMO51 -- IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!
You know, I am just so tired of people wanting to blame Bush for every problem that ever comes up.

"Dang, another red light! BUSH'S FAULT!!"

FYI, the policies that led to this fiasco were in place *long* before Bush came to office. Fannie Mae is an FDR invention, and Freddy Mac is from Carter. Republicans attempted to get more oversight for these "quasi-governmental" agencies, but Democrats wouldn't have it.

IMHO, both organizations should be sold off the highest private bidder. I know, ain't gonna happen.

If Bush can be blamed for any of this, it's that he's just another politician in Washington D.C., and just as crooked as the rest of them. No more, no less. If he actually had the clairvoyance to fix this mess before it happened, and the strength of character to pull it off, well, he wouldn't *be* a politician.

JMO51: "Most of the comments on townhall by conservatives don't blame Wall Street or the Bush Administration. Does anyone find this a little absurd."

What? That most of the comments on Townhall are from people who don't drink the liberal kool-aid? What's absurd about that?

Ron -- check your math again
Ron: "[Nationalize] ALL OFFSHORE OIL [...], [then hire] the domestic oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products TO US for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit."

Uh -- Ron -- cute idea, but --

As it things are now, the oil companies are only making NINE cents per gallon profit!

Your plan is nice and all (won't work, but it's nice), but it'll make the price of gasoline go up AT LEAST a penny, just right there.

JMO51 ... Wall Street...
Exists to make money...That is their job! ...They do not create the environment in which they strive to make money...Congress created the rules ... Wall Street played by the rules ... we all got screwed. Congress needs to be held accountable... but they will not be. Instead the most responsible Felons in Congress will be the most vocal villianizing Wall Street and they will escape even a $5.00 fine for shi*ing on the sidewalk. Priceless! :)

baseballdoc
Understand; thanks for answering. For years I have begged our elected leaders that are secular socialists to release the generations of "LITTLE PEOPLE" from their "PLANTATIONS of DEPENDECY" and to stop killing millions of babies in their mother's womb by ABORTION. I decided to publish the workbook to identy and define "PLANTATIONS of DEPENDENCY and how they were created. I give a workable solution in the workbook and the harm they did along with their ungodly act of making ABORTION legal. I'll continue to beg for the lives of those denied the joy of self achievement because they are treated as inferior by secular socialist liberals and those being denied life by ABORTION. All I can do is beg for these and give our elected officials scriptural reference as to why they should do something about it. Again thanks for listening. a concerned senior citizen.

Ron
YOu are a true believer. There were no rules and Wall Street lobbied to have fewer rules. The Bush administration had responsibility for enforcement of rules. Regulatory agencies often recommend legislation to help them make their jobs more effective. Under Bush they did not favor enforcement of existing rules let along creating new rules for all the new exotic insturments that Wall Street was creating.

This planned baleout will help the banks by buying up their bad loans, loans that no business firm would buy.

Off all of the culprits Congress was a bit player.

Unca Alby
No this is not Bushes fault this the fault of free market capitalism gone wild. If I had to find someone to blame the first on my list would be Phil Gramm who at every turn advocated less regulation of the banking industry. The Bush administration must assume some of the responsibility because it happened on his watch.

He is more to Blame for the War in Iraq than for this crisis, but he is also not blameless which if what you would think if you listened to Sowell or Michelle Malkin.

BTW do you blame wall street or congress more?


Write in Campaign
Thomas Sowell for President

JMO51...Who was that Bush administration
Guy.. Who pushed subprime loans on banks as a precondition for the banks expansion. Who earmarked millions of taxpayers dollars to educate those who have not the means to pay a mortage to qualify for one. Who increased the debt to cash ratio to enable Fannie and Freddie to expand the ponzy mortage scam. I want a name...and I want him in jail :)

JMO51 ..You are clueless...
Do some research then come back and post intelligently...You are embarrassing yourself :)

Ron
What a jerk you are. GWB in his speech tonight spoke about Wall Street execess and suggests that when this bailout is completed we need to look at new regulations designed to deal with 21 century problems.

He did not talk about reforming Freddie or Fannie nor did he suggest that they were the primary cause of the crisis.

Here is who I think belongs in jail. Mortage brokers who pushed customers into sub-prime loans when they would have been eligible for Lower cost FHA's. They may have been the bit players but they should still be locked up.

I also want to know which insurance regulator allowed AIG to grow so large that it could not be allowed to fail.

I want to know who ran the Bond Rating agencies that rated these mortage backed securities as Triple A on the assumption that home prices would go up forever.


We Could At Least Start With
kicking all the incumbents out. All of them. It's easy and simple. Go to the polling place. Vote for the guy.

And we need Newt Gingrich as President. For life if possible.

JMO51..Ok..I am a jerk but YOU are still
Clueless. :)
And so is GW...so you are not alone :) quoting him gets you nowhere.

Mortgage brokers did what they are paid to do...Make Mortgages according to the rules. They actually feed their families with the money they earn.. Did you know that?

Just how big should a company be allowed to grow in YOUR socialist world?

The bond rating companies have yet to be proved wrong...after all if the Government bails out the paper then they were 100% right in their ratings :)

You are still clueless :)




Is there a pattern here?....
Let's see...This column from Sowell is the umpteenth coordinated offering from the whining GOP which implies that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the root cause of Wall Street Investment Banking failures...As a former Lehman Brothers employee, I would ask that you consider a couple of questions: 1. Do you think that Lehman, BearnSterns, Merrill, Morgan and Goldman Sachs take their (securitizing) marching orders from Fannie Mae??.NOTE: "Subprime" loans were so-named because it imply's mortgages that could not qualify under Fannie Mae-backed underwriting... 2. WHY would Gov't involvement in Fannie/Freddie have ANYTHING to do with Inv Banking decisions?...The fact is that Fannie/Freddie REACTED to the loosening underwriting standards dictated by the investment banks because they were losing business....I know that the GOP is offering up the "lending to minorities got us in this mess" response to years of non-oversight in banking..It's a great political strategy because it take's a complex issue and breaks it down to too-simple terms. It's also a dangerous and divisive tactic of playing racial and class politics (I thought that was the Dems domain). Most important, the actions or reactions to DC based quasi-gov't Mortgage companies have NOTHING to do with what happened on Wall Street...Wall Street's "next level"...Sadly,so is this crisis.

JMO51..HCBK..No exposure...Good div...
Held up...Now you have a clue..No charge! :)

Ron
I feed my family fine without having to lie to my customers. Bank robbers rob banks to feed their families as well.

Do you believe that anti-trust laws are socialist but letting AIG get so big that it requires a gov't bail out is not.

If the bonding companies had done their job, investors would not have lost confidence in the system requiring massive infusions of your money in the most socialist undertaking since the great depression.

And you say I am clueless. If you really want to know what is going on read truthhurts post or will you assume that he clueless as well.

JMO51 ... Glad to hear that you..
and bank robbers are feeding your families, not lying to customers and doing well. :)

yes.

Who are you talking about? Some investors are very confident (Buffet 8 billion!)... actually investing and making money...I just gave you a clue..If you need another just ask :)

Thank you for your advice...but this jerk has no idea what your last comment means. Good night and good luck :)

Regulations ARE the problem

It was the regulations imposed on the lending institutions by "do gooder" politicians that not only caused an artificial bubble in real estate prices, but wiped out a lot of Americans as they had mortgages exceeding the value of their homes.

It happens every time government subsidizes something. Its cost wind up exceeding its value.

Some of the beneficiaries of this fiasco were speculators who bought houses at no down payment to flip them at a profit. There were even get rich quick schemes about this advertised on TV. So much for helping the poor!

When houses reached unsustainable levels, the speculators bailed out, leaving the lenders holding the bag. No loss to them.

What was meant to help the poor actually hurt them, taking home prices further out of their reach.

The really sad part is, few will learn from this. They will play political games with it and blame everyone and everything but the cause. Therefore, we can expect more of the same.

Whoever said the road to hell is paved with good intentions was surly a prophet.

JMO51
"No this is not Bushes fault"

Then why do you ask why no one here is blaming him?

It's like, "No, it's not Bush's fault, but you guys really should be blaming him anyway."


"this the fault of free market capitalism gone wild."

I suggest you read Larry Elder's column on the subject.

oil prices
Government controls all offshore oil and all oil on public lands. Politicians will sell leases and keep the money for themselves. They will also tax the lease holders. THAT is all called Communism. We-the-people will have to pay the lease money and the tax money to the lease holders as higher prices for oil products.

If the oil were, instead, designated as "belonging to citizens of the United States", we would all be shareholders of the oil. The domestic oil companies would be hired in the name of the shareholders, and hundreds of billions of dollars of lease fees would not be added to the price of oil products that we would have to pay.

We the shareholders would get the products for the cost of processing plus a small profit to the processors. There would not be any cost to us for crude oil because we already own it, or from speculators, and transportation from foreign countries because it's already here. We would be energy independent.

Replacing all the existing taxes with "One Tax And Done" would remove all the taxes (which we now pay) from the cost of processing and from the price we pay.

Please Read This!
People, Google "Mark to Market" and you will learn the real cause of our crisis.
Ask yourself, why are companies writing off 60-70-80% of there assets when all you hear on TV is that the assets are worth much more than that, and that "the Govt. might actually make money"?
The accounting rule called Mark to Market which took effect only this past November is making firms value these assets so low that the resulting "Paper" write off makes them "Technically Insolvent". If they were allowed to value the assets more accurately the problem is greatly allieviated. If the government suspended Mark to Market they would not have to do what they are doing.

No one needs to buy these securities, companies just need to be able to write these massive PAPER loses back onto their books, and Hold to Maturity!

One Trillion Dollars
A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon we're talking real money.

Re: Regulations ARE the problem
'It was the regulations imposed on the lending institutions by "do gooder" politicians that not only caused an artificial bubble in real estate prices'

You seem to assume the government has a lot more power than it actually has. If congress could actually force banks to lend money, they would do so right now, and there would be no tightening of credits.

The bubble was created by managers who knew they could do quick short-term profits, and who did not understand the long-term implications - or possibly did not care, since their bonuses did not depend on it.

A Political "Solution": Part II
We will be bailing out the wealthy financial institutions, the poor and the illegals. Could this be the largest transfer of wealth since the war on poverty?

Who is responsible....
1) Government for setting this up with pressure on business to loan, loan, loan

2) Business who refused to act in their own self-interest and took on stupid debt constructed with Collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), which were designed to obfuscate the truth.

3) People who took on too much debt to finance a way of life they simply did not make enough money to support.

If even one of these groups had enough collective brain matter to effectively operate in it's own long term interests, none of this would have happened. But nobody will ever admit that; each is now blaming only the others.

We get the government we deserve. We can't stop greed on Wall Street and we can't stop our neighbors from acting like idiots.

We are at the brink. Look at every incumbent, no matter his/her party with an intention to throw them out. Keep only the very very few you can convince yourself are no worse than a random selection from the streets of your home town.


Let me see if I get this straight
Dr. Sowell says we have to bail out the bankers who made loans they knew were bad but that it would be wrong to bail out people who took out these loans because if we bail these people out they will not learn from their mistakes.

What about the bankers? Thay made $BILLIONS & even $TRILLIONS in profits issuing loans they knew were not going to be repaid. Why is it wrong for them to learn from their mistakes?

These loans have been made into securites that are now worthless. The bankers gambled on these securites & lost. Now they want to sell these securities to the taxpayers at face value so that we can take the loss while they keep the profits they made. It's called socializing losses by some. I call it theft.

Dr. Sowell is wrong. These banks need to suffer the consequences of their mistakes. (And if you really believe they made "mistakes" I've got a bridge to sell you. These people KNEW what they were doing & they knew they could keep the profits while leaving us holding the bag.)

Yes, it means rough times for all of us. But its better to get them over with than to saddle our children & grandchildren with another $trillion or so in debt.

Trillion Seconds
A trillion seconds is 342 centuries!!!

Bail-out
If 95% of us are paying our bills on time, living within our means and not over extending our credit, why wouldn't the banks that are left standing via the free market, continue to extend credit in order to survive. Let the bail-out concentrate on the actual dangers, i.e., pensions, 401's, etc.. Wouldn't that cost far less then the estimated 700 billion?
Perhaps it is time for a huge correction, inculding those players who stood to profit by keeping their greedy, corrupt mouths shut while keeping their pockets lined. Hint: Shummer, Dodd, Frank.

Skin-um and dress-um
Jim is right about "the mark to market." The Oxley-Sarbanes bill created an accounting monstrocity--requiring banks to value illiquid assets at zero--and then try to meet their capital requirements without counting those assets. As usual, government "reform" legislation had severe unintended consequences--helping create this mess. Combined with the legislated requirement to loan money to bad credit risks, these two mandates created this disaster. It was not the private sector and it was not de-regulation that caused the problem. It was stupid legislation by the elected populist leaders--mostly in the Democratic Left. And, it was the campaign contributions of huge financial institutions and lobbyists who greased the wheels for this at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Who now work for Obama! Perhaps Sarah will skin um and dress-um--It's our only hope!

TERM LIMITS &/OR THROW THE BUMS OUT
It is disheartening that the mainstream media is blaming the Bush administration for this debacle when it was Dem. Congress and Pres. Clinton who started the snowball rolling when they repealed Glass-Stegall and enabled Franks, Dodd and other Dems to stonewall any common sense reform of Fannie and Freddie. And this "bail-out" bill has no such reforms for requiring sound lending practices.

The only way to stop the insanity in D.C. is to vote the bums out and/or demand term limits on the Senate and House. It may take a revolution to get that passed, but we must take back our gov't from these incompetent corrupt leaches who think nothing of bankrupting our country. God help us.

Bailout
Thank you Mr. Sowell for making the "complex" understandable; your column explains the problem and it didn't cost me a penny.

The Bailout is Bad even without Earmarks
Mr. Sowell,

First off, I'd like to express my admiration for your work. Basic Economics was the perfect introduction to the economy for an interested layman, and I consider you one of the greatest economic and political minds of this 20th century.

That said, I think you're incorrect in your analysis that the bailout is worthwhile as long as it's passed quickly, earmark free. I would agree that a $700 billion bail-out, coupled with extensive de-regulation and budget cuts could stabilize our economy and get us back on the right track. Instead, from both sides, we're getting a $1 trillion + bailout coupled with promises of even more regulation and empty, usually ill-advised, promises from the candidates to cut spending in select areas. This, coupled with our ever increasing debt, will lead to the downfall of the dollar. At that point, we'd be wishing for a 1930's depression.

In the end though, the truth is that Americans don't deserve a bail-out. Something like 85% of Americans spend $1.25 for every $1 they make. Because of our pseudo-dollar standard we've been allowed to live like that. Due to low federal interest rates, red lining, and government intervention, we've been spoiled beyond belief. Like you've pointed out, people only learn from their mistakes by losing. It's time for America to lose something.

Let's Try Doing Nothing
I think we need to tough this out and let the chips fall where they may. If we believe in capitalism and the free market let's see what this "major correction" brings to pass. It should end all this freewheeling credit and get us back to real enterprise.

CDS
Checking the data at the federal reserve you will find that there hasn't been a significant reduction in corporate paper or lending in the past two weeks. Therefore, one must wonder why Paulson and Bernanke have created this crisis. I think it is the over the counter credit default swap market which is a totally unregulated off balance sheet $36 trillion problem. This is what caused the demise of AIG and not lending. AIG was selling the CDS for all sorts of companies. Suddenly we had a market downturn and AIG was unprepared. The $700 billion is insufficient and they will be back for more, but the federal government won't have sufficient credit to do the job. This will be the real crisis and I hope your savings won't be in dollars.
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