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Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Political "Solution"
by Thomas Sowell
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Who was it who said, "crack-brained meddling by the authorities" can "aggravate an existing crisis"? Ronald Reagan? Milton Friedman? Adam Smith? Not even close. It was Karl Marx. Unlike most leftists today, Marx studied economics.

Is the current financial crisis going to lead to crack-brained meddling or to some rational actions? Predicting what politicians are going to do is risky business. We will have to wait and see.

Saints are no more common on Capitol Hill than they are on Wall Street. We can only hope that the political "solution" does not turn out to be worse than the problem.

There are times when government intervention can make things better. But that is no guarantee that it won't make things worse. As they say, "the devil is in the details"-- and we don't know the details yet.

Probably most members of Congress don't know the details yet-- and many may still not know the details when the time comes for them to vote on this bailout.

Taking an optimistic view, this biggest bailout of all time may stop the problems in financial markets from spreading into the general economy-- which is currently nothing like the disaster area that the media portray it to be.

Ninety percent of the people on this planet would exchange their economic situation for ours in a minute. The media love hype, and have been dying to use the word "recession" all year but nothing has happened that meets the definition of a recession.

The American economy is growing, not declining. Our unemployment rate is up to 6 percent but there are countries that would be delighted to get their unemployment rate down to 6 percent. Our inflation rate is up a little but many countries would love to get their inflation rate down to where ours is.

Why then is there such a mess in the financial markets? Much of that mess is due to the very people we are now turning to for solutions-- members of Congress.

Past Congresses created the hybrid financial institutions known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, private institutions with government backing and political influence. About half of the mortgages in this country are backed by these two institutions.

Such institutions-- exempt from laws that apply to other financial institutions and backed by the implicit promise of government support with the taxpayers' money-- are an open invitation to risky behavior. When these risks blew up in their faces, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the government, costing the taxpayers billions of dollars.

For years the Wall Street Journal has been warning that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking reckless chances but liberal Democrats especially have pooh-poohed the dangers.

Back in 2002, the Wall Street Journal said: "The time for the political system to focus on Fannie and Fred isn't when we have a housing crisis; by then it will be too late." The hybrid public-and-private nature of these financial giants amounts to "privatizing profit and socializing risk," since taxpayers get stuck with the tab when high-risk finances don't work out.

Similar concerns were expressed in 2003 by N. Gregory Mankiw, then Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to President Bush. But liberal Democratic Congressman Barney Frank criticized Professor Mankiw, citing "concern for housing" as his reason for supporting Fannie Mae. Barney Frank said that fears about the riskiness of Fannie Mae were "overblown."

Maxine Waters and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus have also been among the liberal Democrats defending Fannie Mae. Just last year, Senator Charles Schumer advocated legislation to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their already huge role in the mortgage market. Republican Congressman Mike Oxley has also defended these hybrid financial giants.

Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been generous in their contributions to politicians' political campaigns, so it is perhaps not surprising that politicians have been generous to them.

This is certainly part of "the mess in Washington" that Barack Obama talks about. But don't expect him to clean it up. Franklin Raines, who made mega-millions for himself while mismanaging Fannie Mae into a financial disaster, is one of Obama's advisers.

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Democrats
Don't expect any of the Democrats to take responsibility for getting us into this mess. Even though it is thoroughly documented that the Democrats were in bed with Fannie and Frannie. There is a pattern here:

1) Turn our food into fuel and then when food shortages happen say it wasn't us.

2) Refuse to drill for oil but say it isn't us that caused the oil shortage.

3) Oppose reform of Freddie and Frannie but everything is ok.

There are many more examples of the libs "solutions" causing problems.

Of course...
Unfortunately, I'm incredibly pessimistic about any "solutions" that may come about. With such a stellar institution as Goldman-Sachs being drawn into the fold by the gov't to help cover losses, I don't have much hope.

Democrats get elected by preying on emotion. Republicans get elected by pretending to fight said Dems. Neither party is truly out to fight for the people. Best part is, the majority of the people in this country have NO idea what has been going on the last 2 weeks, or all summer for that matter.

NY Times To The Rescue!
I read where Bill Keller responded to McCain's claim of Obama bias by stating that the NY Times is a credible news organization that asks the tough questions. So I have absolutely no doubt they will get to the bottom of the Fannie/Freddie mess.

h20skier
Right, you are, my friend! And let's not forget the mega-disasters of the past environmental efforts of the left, as they spared millions of creatures while killing millions of humans! Humanism has given way to naturism, and may cost us our continuation!

Be Afraid!, . . be, very afraid!

Liberals & RINO's
Have blinders on
and dream about how wonderfully competent they are.
Pelosi Reid Waters Conyers Dodd Frank
Kennedy Rangel and the rest. Writing checks - We - the taxpayers can't pay.

When it hits the fan, they go skiing in Aspen
or Windsurfing off Nantucket.

Or in Rangel's case "it was an oversight"

These people amaze me ...........


Getting what they want.
Congress, or at least the left leaning half of Congress, is getting exactly what they want. Use the 'saving' of AIG for example. Our "knights in white armor" ride to the rescue and bail out AIG... for what? 80 percent of the company? Gosh, a government owned company. Imagine that. I wonder how big of a piece of Ford, GM and Chrysler will make them happy. 75 or 80 sounds reasonable there too. Then lets 'save' the pharmacutical companies and hospitals... Then 'big oil' and 'big coal' and the rest of the energy companies.

Soon we have the government with controlling interest in every nook and cranny of American life and business.

Sounds an awful lot like pre-WW2 Germany and Marxist Russia to me.

Politician Problems
Politicians mess things up once again, and we ask politicians to move in and clean things up. The most important thing to a politician is not how do we fix the problem. The most important thing is who is to blame or who can we blame. This is especially important to their investigation when they are to blame.

ModMark
Here you go: "By Matthew Perrone
Associated Press / May 6, 2008
WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans have asked environmental regulators to use their power to halt the country's plans to expand ethanol production amid rising food prices.

more stories like thisTwenty-four Republican senators, including presidential candidate John McCain of Arizona, sent a letter Friday to the Environmental Protection Agency suggesting that it waive, or restructure, rules that require a fivefold increase in ethanol production over the next 15 years.

Congress passed a law last year mandating an increase to 15 billion gallons of corn ethanol by 2015 and 36 billion by 2022. But McCain and other Republicans said those rules should be suspended to put more corn back into the food supply for animal feed and to encourage farmers to plant other crops.

"This subsidized [ethanol] program - paid for by taxpayer dollars - has contributed to pain at the cash register, at the dining room table, and a devastating food crisis throughout the world," McCain said in a statement.'

The article was written in 2008 and says a law was passed last year that mandated ethanol production increases. That would make it 2007 not 2005.

Dr Sowell paints half the picture
Fannie/Freddie did not invent mortgage based securities or the practice of bundling, Wall Street did.

If this had been a Fannie/Freddie crisis the effects could have been contained. But because of the above practices the ENTIRE financial market was contaminated with subprime debt.

Further, when financials lobbied for, and received approval to double their debt leverages, they had no reason to hold onto the debt. This allowed them to lower their standards since they were making the loans with borrowed money on one end, and passing them along as a security at the other.

Bottom line, if the lenders had acted with a modicum of due dilligence the mortgages Fannie/Freddie bought up would not have been so toxic.


America the Beautiful
The current batch of professional politicians can't seem to apply the common sense test to anything.

Ordinary citizens can't afford to run for high office.

If we elect John McCain, a real patriot, who loves our country, and Sarah Palin to the Congress, what a better country we would have.

McCain in not an empty suit, and Palin is the kind of person our founding fathers intended to serve. She understands kitchen table issues. She is not wealthy. She is not a lawyer.

We need to encourage ordinary people (who often do extraordinary things) to serve in congress.

God bless America!

Traitors
The TRAITORS of BOTH major parties, who stab their own country in the back FINANCIALLY, are every bit as guilty of treason as the individual worm who passes military secrets to a foreign agent.

If, in a better world, they could be tried and convicted of treason, they would be FORCED to give back their ill-gotten bonuses and severance packages to shareholders and taxpayers. Then they would have the choice of being put into an Alaskan Gulag for LIFE . . . or SHOT.

THEN, in that better world, we would pass a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT which REALLY provides for a TRUE competitive free-market, and entrepreneurial freedom . . . by prohibiting ANY taxpayer subsidies, bail-outs, guarantees, loans, grants, special favors, etc. to ANY private for-profit business, except in cases of a NATURAL catastrophe or official declaration of war by Congress. Government-created corporations like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were allowed to operate under special rules, should be ILLEGAL. It should be obvious that government guarantees, which serve to protect private businesses and corporate/state hybrids from the consequences of their own incompetence and frauds, are an INVITATION to corruption.

Bailout largest theft in history

This Bailout will slow down recovery. Let the market do it's job. Regional banks minus Nevada, California and Florida are fine. So are some National Banks.

Let the risk-takers take their hit. We should NOT insure high risk money markets. It will just promote more risk taking.

This Bailout is the largest theft in history. They are stealing the opportunity this would normally create for EVERY prudent person who saved and have strong cash flow.

We should create a National real estate list which can be accessed by pre-approved borrowerrs by participating banks. Real estate transactions should be lowered by participating localities. Real estate broker fees should be lowered and mortgage bankers should be paid by trailers not finder fees to improve the quality of borrowers.

This can and SHOULD be resolved by the market. They have suspended puts/calls and derivitives with reduces volitility. Let the market correct.

I am being mugged and I can't call the police because it is my government who is mugging me.

housing solution
The government could revitalize the housing market and the building industry in general by reducing taxes and government oversight on real estate development. Less government intrusion would allow the developers to remake our cities so that more of us could walk to work, walk to retail establishments, walk to schools, and walk to our places of faith.

Such visions already exist but the regulatory and taxing challenges make projects on a grand scale too long and risky.

Not only would such mixed-use developments boast our economy but it would have a lasting benefit on our environment and reduce our dependence of foreign oil.

Method to their madness
At first glance one might think that the democrats made mistakes, at second glance that they were on the take. But I dare glance a 3rd time, and it seems to me that they timed the collapse for just before the election. That's one reason why I call them demothugs.

Bail out my @$$
Government has No business getting into this.
Where in the Constitution does it say that they can.

Let Fannie and Freddy fall and the others who took outrageous chances eat what they have reaped.
The people who bought houses they can't afford should bear up to personal responsibility. It was their lack of foresight that put them in this mess why should I have to cover for them?

I don't have credit cards so I don't get into this mess nor do I have a loan I can't afford to pay back even at the worst of times.

That's what is right, That's personal responsibility. The fact that people took these loans and put themselves into dutch is NO ONES fault but their own.

If a person started a business and over extended themselves would they get help NO they'd have to shut down.

The mere fact they fell for the glamorous credit card adds that a offered credit at 21.99% should have told them something where everyone is approved.
The creative financing home loans with no money down...
What happened to buyer beware or if it looks too good to be true it probably is..

People not government deserve to take this hit and maybe they'll grow up and be responsible.

STOP
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE !!!!!!

RuleTopia

Duplicative environmental impact processes should be stream-lined and suits should be consolidated into one court. We need uniformity and predictablity. Business can be held hostage by the few.

More transparent tools available to the public should be available to help development sell itself to the impacted community. Everyone needs inexpensive energy, clean water and air. We need to easily demonstrate the risks and rewards - the costs to build and maintain and the potential revenue. We need to know how that fits into Regional growth.

This will create an environment where business can be more agile as the economy realighns which in turn will create employment opportunities.


More Proof
If you want something screwed up, get the government involved. The larger the government, the larger the screw up. Most of the people in congress couldn't find their rear end with both hands.

Lisa you're talking bigger Government
Bigger government is what got us into this mess why pray tell would you want more?

It goes against all logic....

Edna
I concur. However there is a problem. Many of our congress critters own stock in these companies that are going down the drain if congress doesn't take action to keep them afloat. If these companies do down, your poor congress critters will loose money. Boo-Hoo.
Once again, the taxpayer is on the hook for the congress critter's own stupidity.

It would do congress good to hurt
I read about Heath Schuler D-NC making 1.2 million from interest groups and then he ran off the floor when Congress bailed out a few months ago for vacation.
I wrote him a letter calling him a coward for following Nazi Plotski.(Pelosi)
I call them all cowards...Let them give back all the money special interest groups have given them to buy their votes and see which ones will be in line for welfare it would serve them right.
I think that if they had to give the money back to the people then they would be less likely to spend it on Woodstock Museums and the like.
If We The People stood up and said no more money can leave these shores for 5 years (except for humanitarian help for NATURAL disasters)and Illegals were rounded up branded and sent back to wherever they came from. Then our National Debt would be back in control and our economy would thrive.
The elite wouldn't scoff at low paying jobs because they would have to take what they could get like the rest of us and the banks and special interest groups would crash and burn and we'd be back to smaller government.
My moneys in a safe not a stock market so if we hit crisis I can take care of my family can they.

As Reagan said
One of the biggest lies, right behind I'll respect you in the morning and the check's in the mail is the whopper I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.

The whole picture?
Bryce1 writes: "Bottom line, if the lenders had acted with a modicum of due dilligence the mortgages Fannie/Freddie bought up would not have been so toxic."

The creation of these "Government Sponsored Entities" was toxic in the first place. Thugs like Johnson and Raines looted them, passed around some of the money to politicians, mostly democrats (Dodd and Obama #1 and #2), cooked the books, and then moved on. Guess which candidate Johnson and Raines are now associated with.

Reminds me too much of Dome Pete
And result will be even more disastrous than that Canadian (1982-1988) bailout!

oh Brother
The bottom line is that no income verification, no credit or savings histories was a folly enabled by gov't. And, if you screwed up and put your money where you would lose, too f-ing bad.

They added student debt

No doubt about it - this is the biggest theft in history.

Hold on Modmark
The ethanol tax credits were passed in 2005 by the GOP controlled congress and signed by Bush.

Get your fact straight please...

Ethanol subsidies have been around since at least 1978 (Energy Tax Act of 1978). Get your facts straight.

Lost is the Real Message
A hybrid government company with loose lending practices was allowed to put the US taxpayers on the hook for trillions of dollars. The debt will be paid by ours and the next generation, because of government. Let's force the banks to lend to people that shouldn't get a loan under the pretense that everyone should have get the American Dream of owning a house. Sound lending practices that have been in place for hundreds of years should be disregarded. We point to people on Wall Street as being greedy but it not only them it's many others who bought houses for investment that didn't make sound business sense in hopes that prices would continue to go up. Let's face it housing prices are traditional fixed based on a percertage of income and if it goes up to much it always readjusts.

I didn't see a gun to anyones head
I didn't see anyone forcing the hand of the people who signed these loans.

I didn't see a guarantee in the constitution that said big brother will solve all your problems for you.

I saw that people wanted what they wanted and they wanted it NOW

Therefore they're in a pickle...
(See my other posts)

Government should leave well enough alone and if things tumble down around their ears ...so be it...

re: Edna to Lisa
I'm with Lisa on this one. Our mine deals directly with 3 governmental agencies as "gateways" to all of the others affected. Altogether we deal with about 20-30 departments through those "gateways". Although having less departments to deal with would be nice, it's easier for us to manage 3 points of contact (though one would be even better).

One of the main tactics used by opponents of industry is that of delay. The selling price of our coal is the highest now that it's ever been. It takes 6 months to a year for the regulatory approvals to change our mining plan. As a result, we cannot be responsive to the market, only to long range predictions. If we change the plan and go outside of our approved footprint and land area then we face loss of operating license and jail time for some of the senior staff. Less government would be preferred here as well, but even government is easier to deal with than endless lawsuits and appeals by groups like the Sierra Club (remember to thank them for that extra $1 cost per gallon of gas!) who explicitly try to limit development by delay tactics.

sadly, I'm disappointed with the article
I hope there's a second part coming. He's listed the optimist's view, but I'd like to know what his pessimistic view is. I have a few ideas about possible consequences, and I'd like to see if I've learned well enough from his books.

Oh well, time to go do some mining. Have a good morning all!

Congress
is made up of people who have never operated even a small business.
Congress members do not face their daily decisions with the bottom line in mind - they leave that responsibility to "we the people" and we have no idea what dirty deeds they leave unaddressed day after day. Did any of them ever wonder about the sub-prime lending practices of large institutions - duh, duh, duh. Regular business owners did - how can one obtain a mortgage - no money down, no documents. How many illegals made these mortgages - anyone ever give that a thought - bet a lot of small business owners did.
John McCain has the right idea - a bi-partisan oversight committee to monitor this one trillion dollar bail out. Flush out the dirty laundry.
Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air - her very presence seems to restore a bit of confidence in Washington politics - she is not yet out of touch - accountability - now that is a refreshing thought.

CRA is the smoking gun
The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) placed the financial institutions at the mercy of "community organizations" who could use the act as a way to bludgeon the financial institutions into making loans to people unable to retire the debt.

The institutions came to accept this as a cost of doing business. Fannie and Freddie, acting on the other end of this, amplified the economic distortion by providing the illusion that government would soak up the risk. A poisonous mix!

The identity of the "community organizations" include: ACORN, NACA, NCLR (La Raza), etc.

If you doubt the institutions were cowed by this, take a look at this web page: http://www.bankofamerica.com/community/index.cfm?template= cdb_localprograms. As of 0800EDT 23 SEP 2008, it contains state-by-state listings of the community organizations that BoA "works with".

v/r,

-- Bud Hammons

Edna

Edna it would make lesss government because you are eliminating costly and unnecessary duplication and delays. The free enterprise system can pay to build this. It is in their benefit and could be fee based.

No additiona tax dollars - possibly could get rid of a couple of planning people on the local level if a permitting system could be integrated which is also fee driven.

NO ADDITIONAL TAXES AND BETTER SERVICE.

Sowell is at it again
Did you notice that Sowell completely ignored the behavior of wall street firms in his description of what cause this crisis. As to Freddy and Fannie their practices did not cause this crisis but they just a victim. Not that they did not need to be reformed.

The real culprit with a lack of reasonable oversight and regulations. But to acknowledge that would be to acknowledge that that failure was in part a result of conservative economic principles something that a pure partisan like Sowell will never do.

Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around including irresponsible borrowers, corrupt mortage brokers, and others. But to attach the blame solely on Fannie and Freddie is Crazy. Fannie and Freddie have already been bailed out and if they were the sourse of the problem we would not be looking at an emergency bailout plan.

How can you trust a guy like Sowell when time and time again he does this. Finally, his comments about the mainstream media exactly parallel things he said about the media and the Iraq war and time and time again the media had it right and the Bush Administration had it wrong.

Root Causes
If you want to understand the genesis of the problem, you must understand the Community Reinvestment Act as well as something called a "CRA Rating" to which banks are subjected. The former, enacted during the Carter era, began the process of forcing lending institutions to relax lending criteria in or der to "service" unqualified buyers - many of whom were minorities.

The CRA Rating is a measure of how "well" the lenders are performing in this area. From the JP Morgan site trumpeting a high CRA rating we see "...the bank is examined on its mortgage, small business and community development lending, its community development investments and its retail banking and community development services in its communities." That would be the minority community, although the benefits are not explicitly limited to that.

This is little more than quota lending, which has from day one been a favorite of the Democrats and is why they have fought particular kinds of regulation which might impact traditionally unqualified minority loans. Fredie and Fannie "protected" the initial lenders (and kept Dem pockets filled with campaign contributions - Obama very much among the top beneficiaries), then passed the risk on to Wall Street as loan-package equity instruments with huge underlying flaws. And behind it all: something [loans] for nothing [unqualified borrowers] for minority votes for Democrats, just one giant shell game with inevitable negative consequences.

Mr. Sowell
You really must give more details than this. I need to email this information to all of the Democrats I know that only watch and read the drive-by media. I love how clear and easy to understand your column is today but it needs more details. Please write more on this subject.

Lisa, agree but first...
We have to let things play out with NO government interferance.

Let it all crash and burn then the junks gone (self destructed) and we can sort out the extrs and eliminate it.

But for government to just give away my kids future tax money to people who were irresponsible and got in over their heads is just plain wrong.
This generation of tax payer can't get the USA out of hock, and if we keep giving money to everyone under the sun that'll never change.

Rosemary
George W. Bush had been president for nearly eight years. He appoints the Treasury Secretaries, He appoints the SEC, His people run the regulatory agencies. He proposes legislation and he has the power of the Veto.

But in your alternate universe he has not been in power. Between 1994 and 2006 Republicans have controlled congress. One of the signature pieces of legislation was so called Banking Reform.

It did not address any of these issues. It was designed to make it harder for a person who gets ill or a National Guard member on active duty to extingush their debts in Bankrupcy.

Written by the banks and shopped around to willing Republican members of congress. The Dems tryed to pass an amendment exempting familaies of soldiers on active duty. It was defeated by guess who? Your favorite people

GWB proudly and gladly signed it.

If the President and Republican Congress wanted to Reform Freddie and Fannie they could have done so. Their priority was helping banks go after sick people and citizen soldiers. Where was the Maverick John McCain?



Joycey
Clear and simple- Yet except it is wrong.

If Freddie and Fannie have already been saved why did the Gov't have to buy AIG why are we looking at a $700 billion to 1 trillion dollar bailout to Wall Street and where does the Bush Administration figure into this?


PokerGuy
Wrong - There were lots of causes.

Brilliant clarity
Dr. Sowell, your clarity amazes me.

Bravo.

JMO51
Huh????????????????????????????????????????

What planet have you been living on. Also please try to write in English with complete sentences, etc.

Pokerguy
Please cite a provision of the CRA which forces institutions to extend loans without down payment, credit checks, or verification of income.

Can you cite provisions of the CRA which create mortgage backed securities, or the practice of bundling?

Was it the CRA which the halved the leveraged debt ratio of financials or a Republican led Congress?

The CRA in fact explicitly mandates that institutions must follow 'safe and sound' lending practices. What is safe or sound in the practice of extending NINJA loans with borrowed money then passing this bad debt along the chain in the form of securities?


Jim
The Wall Street firms that we are about to bail out did not get into this mess because of pressure to lend to people who could not pay.

They were driven by greed and an opportunity to get in on the mortgage action. It all worked well as long as prices continued to rise.

Congress did not create or mandate creation of these exotic insturments their was no government oversight. Not all the people who bought properties were poor people. Many where middle income people who thought they could get themselves a McMansion still others were speculating buying vacation properties with questionable cash flows in the hope that they could flip them in a year or two and make a bundle.


Wall Street firms farmed out the approval system to firms who were told by wall street don't say no.

Mortgages were sliced and diced and sold to investors. Congress had nothing to do with this, never passes any legislation, never made any laws. Greenspan told us all to give up our fixed rate mortages and to refinance into variables. (Thank god most people had the common sense not to listen)

Bush proudly promoted the ownership society. Republican appointee in regulatory agencies were like foxes in the henhouse. There was no oversight.

You can't pin this one on too much government intervention. It will not pass the smell test.


Slow this thing down - get the details
If this bailout is packaged and voted on before it could be fully read and understood - it is a deriliction of duty by congress. Publish the finished "product" and allow the people that will pay the bill to be able to examine it for a week so we know what the details are. The people can then express their will to their representatives. Congress should delay their adjournment for a week. I do not care if they do not like it. Any representative or Senator that would vote on something of this important nature before a thorough review, just so they can get out of town to campaign for re-election or in the case of most Senators - another vacation should be sacked!

Michael Reagan
Michael Reagan said it best: "This country has been looted by the Democrats and the Republicans are driving the getaway car."

From Page 16 of the book; "The Big Ripoff by Timothy Carney"; the following is a quote:

"The cliche that the GOP is the party of the rich turns out to be more illusion than reality. The vast majority of political cash from billionaires goes to Democrats." I cannot quote the whole book here but I urge everyone to read it.

On Page 26 of the same book: "In his first term in the, Schumer (Democratic Senator from NY) raised more money from Wall Street ($3.5 Million) than did any other lawmaker from either party. Schumer was also the favorite of the real estate industry, pulling in $1.8 million."

It is this kind of corruption that McCain has been fighting, that is why he is labeled a maverick.

Kick backs
I am curious as to how many politicians made a profit or got money from CEO's in the form of contributions or other bribes.

Bryce 1,
"safe and sound" lending practices are taken on a case-by-case basis, with enormous Congressional and other government oversight (that is: they are subjective, not objective, standards, and the ones making subjective judgments are politicians and their lackey bureaucrats). If the things you say are not in the CRA really aren't there (whether they be there explicitly or implicitly), then the SEC and other government regulators would have denounced the practices long ago...and lenders would never have stooped to incorporate them.

Let's not forget
That as much as posters here try to make this mess stick to Democrats, it is in fact a REPUBLICAN administration that is nationalizing the mortgage industry.

Lancelot
And under what branch of the government do the regulators operate?

That would be the Republican George Bush who has been head of the executive branch for eight years.

Future Net Worth
It’s sickening to watch rote media and democratic presidential candidate supporters blame George W. Bush for the mess of Fannie and Freddie, especially since his office warned congress that there was trouble ahead more than a dozen times over two years before their collapse.

Ok, they have one point. It happened on his watch. Had “W” been sufficiently confrontational to make a real point, he would have had the Justice Department investigate and arrest Franklin Raines and a few other bureaucrats like him for compliancy with securities fraud. That would have ruined the carrier of someone who deserved it and showed the American public he was serious.

Wake up people, Dr. Sowell is right and he’s being kind enough to say it politely. So, I’ll add a not as delicate rejoinder. Democrats are destroying your future net worth and blaming you for not giving them more money to do it.


JMO51 - Government culpability
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Fumbles JMO51:

"You can't pin this one on too much government intervention."


Oh? Yeah, you can.

As a matter of fact, despite all your writhing and squirming and squealing like a little "Liberal" piglet, you have to. Because "government intervention" really and truly did cause it.

To the extent that you *can* think, think about it this way:

(1) A guy comes through your neighborhood selling aluminum siding at ridiculouosly low prices. Such a deal he's giving!

(2) Knowing something about the costs of purchasing decent-quality siding and hanging it properly, you're doubtful.

(3) The town's mayor comes to your house and explains to you: "Look, I know this guy. I have the authority to keep an eye on him, and I'm going to do it. If he does a substandard job, I'll nail him, and force him to make restitution."

(4) You know the mayor, and you don't trust *him* either.

(5) The mayor then says: "Okay, I'll put it in writing. If I can't make him cough up, I'll see that you get paid out of the town treasury."

(6) You still don't trust the slimeball, but you figure - what the hell? - if your risk is going to be guaranteed by the whole damned town, you might as well go ahead.

(7) You get a botched, horrible job of siding.


Now, whether you get compensation out of the aluminum siding salesman or the town treasury, what factor was responsible for you letting down your guard and giving into the utter stupidity of this "too good to be true" deal you were offered?


Can you say "government intervention," JMO51?

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Not me attitude
Congress and especially Democrats take a not me attitue when it comes to those who are to blame for our current financial crisis.

Does Congress & the Democrats think the American public is that dumb? I use to vote for moderate & reasonable Democrats. But not any more! I hope Congress does not screw this up! But I am not very optomistic! Vote all the "bumbs" out!

See this website
http://aclockworkobama.com/

Get rid of Paulson!
Why is Bush listening to Wall Street Paulson?
He has been wrong about everything in the past.

Get some Reagan economic advisors and come up
with a real plan!


Please forgive me for this post
which is off the point. In the past i always enjoyed Thomas Sowell's articles. But I guess I am continuing to stage a one-man protest against his Idols of Crowds piece, that compared Obama to Hitler (I know, I know, not really, it was the enthusiasm of the crowds -- whatever). I thought it was possible the most intellectually dishonest piece I have ever read on Townhall -- espeically as shortly thereafter everyone was justifiably thrilled about Sarah Palin's huge and enthusiastic crowds. I was especially upset because I guess I expect much better from Thomas Sowell. So, again, please forgive this rant.

leverage and dominos
McCain deserves some credit on Fannie and Freddie. he also deserves credit for indicating both parties are to blame for the current mess. Both parties have allowed a situation where new institutions and new roles for old institutions are destabilizing the whole system.

Stocks have big margin requirements consequently the stock market rarely had large volatile swings. However, trading in derivatives requires very small margins (especially for traders claiming to be hedging).

The use of derivatives (hedged against other derivatives and/or stocks) is creating commodity market volatility in the stock market.

Further, the use of derivative hedges has allowed a great number of firms that have some banking function or are directly related to banks in that they purchase bank outputs to use excessive risk with to little margin and capital.

The hedge funds are now howling that they will be bankrupt. This is like a wide spread cancer.

The root of the problem is a failure by both parties to put the right requirements in place to protect the markets and the public from the unintended consequences of the misuse of new financial instruments and new roles for older institutions.

Moral hazard is supposed to prevent excessive risk taking. It does not. It may for most individual firms but it does not protect the system adequately from a domino effect of large firms that are capable of causing the whole system to fail.

Observe: Get over it!
It was an especially accurate piece.

Get over it.

About ready to throw up my...
hands and quit trying to live a responsible, decent life, paying the bills, living up to the obligations we've made, obeying the law and all those other things normal, honest, decent people all over this country do every day.

What is the use? Good behavior is punished through over taxation, over regulation and general incompetency in government, while bad behavior is rewarded with a bailout.

Why did the price of oil spike yesterday with the biggest one day price increase ever? OPEC and Speculators know Congress is going to spend at least $700 Billion on this bailout, do nothing to increase our energy supplies and go home, probably until January next year.

Once again, Congress is acting like Scarlett O'Hara, putting off what they don't want to deal with and throwing money at the financial breakdown on Wall Street, while taxpayers are being told to suck it up.

The terrorists are probably looking at America right now and seeing a sitting duck knowing that duck hunting season just opened and another powerful tropical storm is brewing in the Atlantic.


Bill, ignore JMO51 and all his other
handles, he is a paid troll here to change the subject whenever Dr. Sowell points out the treason of the Dems in their attempts to cause a depression that they will then say they are the only ones who can "fix" it. Yes, there are enough RINOs that are complicit in the treason and those must be removed from the party. How that will happen with one of the worst as the nominee for President is beyond me. Palin is a sign of hope, but the head of the ticket is only slightly better than the marxist Obama.

"Worst economy since Depression"?
"Our unemployment rate is up to 6 percent but there are countries that would be delighted to get their unemployment rate down to 6 percent."

They call this the "worst economy since the Great Depression"? Ha! Jimmy Carter would have given his entire set of teeth to have had a six percent unemployment rate during his administration. These young people today don't know what a real recession is.

Finance theory and risk
Finance theory has always been inadequate in the area of risk. It has always been a quagmire for the discipline. The basic fundamental definition of risk (volatility) in finance theory is inadequate. Further, since the definition of risk is inadequate the incorporation of risk variables into various models cause them to be miss specified.

If the models are miss specified they can not and will not predict well when you need them the most.

We need to get over the bad ideas that markets are truly free. Most aren't, they are influenced by governments, cartels and large players that control supply or demand and have superior information.

We also need to get over the really bad idea that markets always price properly. They don't always. They do an adequate job, most of the time, but don't price very well in tops and panics.

Unfortunately Friedman may be partly right in the idea that government intervention is often more trouble than it is worth mainly because it is driven by political gain and is often slow and only responds to crisis.

Well functioning markets are vastly superior to government interference. However, for markets to perform well there does need to be the right and timely minimum amount of government regulation. That has been lacking in the derivative markets and recent financial innovations.


Off Topic Observer1234
This post is also off topic but I think relevant when considering Obama. It is a fact that Obama is sympathetic of Hamas and Hezbollah from his remarks. He agrees with the notion that they are not terrorists but rather essentially "freedom fighters". His thinking is essentially no different than the Nazis who also believed the Jewish people as a whole deserved nothing but annihalation. So any reference to Obama and his Nazilike behavior is justified. Obamna is a disciple of Ayers, Alinsky and an associate of Wright who espouses the Black Liberation Theology. This "Christian" sect (that doesn't practice Christianity but radical behavior) makes such claims as "If God isn't with the black man in his quest to destroy the whites and the US government then we must kill him because he is not God". My wording may not be exactly the same but that is the crux of what Wright is telling his "congregations" during church services. Christ himself ran the "money changers" out of the synagogues for doing much less. This man (Obama) is no Christian nor are those who shaped his thinking. God help us if he is elected POTUS.

dc from UT
What you describe sounds eerily like Socialism to me. What truly amazes me is how anyone, regardless of political affiliation can willingly trust the government to take care of them! Politicians are notorious for one thing and one thing only, GREED. Are that many Americans so gullible that they are going to believe anything a politician says is true? Matter of fact the ONLY arm of the government that operates with ANY semblence of succcess is the military, but even that is very expensive. Well at least we have protection from our enemies abroad. What I fear most is that if Obama wins we won't HAVE a military left once he's done with it. Clinton's "reforms" were in large part a reason Al Qaeda didn't think we would respond to 9/11 with any meaningful force. And why not? He had 8 years of Clinton blunders to bolster his thinking. People better WAKE UP and smell the terrorist running on the Democratic ticket!!! GOD help us if he wins. I am seriously thinking of finding an assault rifle to add to my gun collection. Not for collectors purposes but rather for protection if this clown wins.

From The Heritage Foundation...
THE MORNING BELL
TUESDAY, SEPT. 23, 2008

One would hope now that Freddie and Fannie have exploded that the left learned its lesson about mixing private and public interests. No such luck. Just last week, Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT), who has taken more money from Fannie and Freddie than any other politician, again defended Fannie and Freddie and advocated for their resurrection.

Now the left has let Dodd author its financial bailout proposal. And again, Dodd is alarmingly eager to funnel taxpayer money to corrupt leftist housing allies. Dodd proposes to direct all taxpayer profits from the sale of any assets bought by the Treasury into two trust funds: 65% would go to the Housing Trust Fund and 35% to the Capital Magnet Fund. Both funds are designed to “support a variety of affordable housing initiatives.”

Enron’s financial lies destroyed more than $63 billion in assets. Freddie and Fannie’s financial lies are going to cost the entire world much, much more. When the Senate went to write new accounting legislation after Enron’s collapse, it did not invite disgraced Enron chief executive Ken Lay to draft the legislation. Why on earth is the Senate letting Chris Dodd, both Freddie and Fannie’s biggest defender and benefactor, write this legislation? The integrity of the Senate is at stake. Again.

Liberal logic #122
These greedy banks lent money to people KNOWING they couldn't make the payments. They are so greedy they went broke on purpose.
Liberals are abject cowards...and illogical

Buy your gun now Tom
If Obama gets elected we won't have a military or be able to own a gun.

Of all the Chicago corruption and killings Obama should have worked a little harder there instead of joining anti-American friends and then lying about them only being acquaintances.

Uncle Sam or Uncle Scam?
I just wrote my Congressman that this financial collapse didn't happen in a weekend and why is Bush trying to push through a solution in a couple of days?

I smell a rat.

Whenever a salesman uses the old buy now or you lose out close on me I know I'm being had!
Bush claims to be a Republican but he seems to actually be an Internationalist Socialist! He has been the biggest Presidental spender in our history.

Bush has already tried to socialize most of our major institutions beginning with a socialist bailout for farmers early in his administration. Then he created "faith based" initiatives as a sure way to suck the Church into the government trough and eventual control. Now he is Hell-bent on Socializing our Financial Institutions in a couple of days!

I knew we weren't dealing with an honest man when Bush said shortly after September 11th that Islam was a "religion of peace."

WE HAVE BEEN HAD, America! It's time to start an America First Party and take back our country from Bush, Democrats like Obamination and all the other One World Hacks out there who are taking us down!!

It is also time to recognize that everyone involved in this latest fiscal mess is culpable from the buyers who knew they were obtaining fishy loans (like one of my solidly middle class friends who got a loan just before she filed for Bankruptcy), to the mortgage brokers who submitted the smelly paperwork on up to the Wall Street Barons and the Government who facilitated the Scam.

A bail out is the absoultely worst thing we can do as it rewards bad behavior. No pain, no lesson.

Sadly we may have to go into some real economic pain to slap some sense into all the irresponsible and immoral people who took us down including Uncle Scam!

O
what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve. And the DemonRATS are masters at the art of deception.
They have manipulated our government for their own benefit, not only for more power but for financial perks also. This is something the RICO act would be good for since there are
a majority of thugs, thieves and all around crooks populating the halls of government.

I am so angry that once again, the wage slaves
are tapped to bail out the thugs. These congresscritters make Al Capone look like a piker. And there is nothing we can do about it, nade, zilch which is the most frustrating part of the whole scam. There is only one thing we can do, when these thugs come around electioneering we can get in their faces and let them have it.
There is a common agreement that even if McC and Palin win the W H., the DemonRATS will reap a bigger majority..that doesn't compute. But then, it's the stuck on stupid voters that keep on sending them back to steal and lie some more.

SJ Doc
Simple question is the current crisis on Wall Street a result of too much regulation or too little regulation.

If you believe too much specify which regulations in investment banks and brokerage houses caused them to be in the trouble they are in.

Next question?

Paulson - Liberal or Conservative
Bernacke - Liberal or Conservative
Greenspan - Liberal or Conservtive.

Congress duing most of the last 12 years - Liberal or Conservative.

McCain in Congress - Pro or Anti-regulation

McCain last week - Pro or Anti-Regulation.

President in the White House for the last eight years - Liberal or Conservative.

You tell me.....

GOVERNMENT BY CRISIS

...1. Government creates a problem ...

...2. Gov't calls it a CRISIS ...

...3. Gov't steps in to solve the CRISIS ...

...4. Result: More Gov't regulation ...

...5. Ultimate goal: Socialism ...

.....Seems to be working .....COLOSSUS

JMO51
You are correct in saying the president has the power of veto but are WAY OFF saying he "proposes legislation". The president does NOT propose legislation. He/she can only express what they think this legislation should look like. The CONGRESS is the legislative branch of American government, or didn't you know that? I'll bet you also think the judicial branch has the power to legislate also don' you? ie:Roe v Wade. Just more of that public education showing here folks. There are three branches of government. The Judicial, Legislative, and Executive branches. The judicial interprets existing laws. The legislative creates legislation (possible laws pending ratification), and the executive branch which oversees the application of these laws. JM051 is obviously unaware of this but we should take this clown seriously? JM051 name ONE current piece of legislation proposed by ANY president past or present? I'll await this monumental enligtenment because whoever that president was he was vastly overstepping his power.

Question
Recently I've lost $50 at the casino playing slot machines. Can I be reinbursed by the taxpayer's money? I think it will be fair, considering the situation in the financial markets.

Bad markets, Bad government
Not only do we have deficient markets but we have a deficient government.

We need a constitutional amendment that limits the time a particular senator (12 years) or congress person (10 years) serves on any one committee. We need to modify the seniority system.

We do not have knowledgeable people on the committees. Further, they are on there because they are loyal to the party leadership not their constituents.

If we limited time of service on committees it would reduce corruption,pork barrel politics and the polarization on many issues.

Congress won't do it so the people will have to do it. I hope McCain picks this idea up.


The Man in the Mirror
We have an economically illiterate Congress and public. The seat of economic illiteracy presently resides in the Democrat party. Some Republicans want to wrest control of this "honor" from the Democrats.

We also have a scientifically illiterate public. Hence the belief in an unproven theory of man-made global warming.

But what is the common denominator in all this? It is the educational establishment of the United States. Pseudo-science is taught in too many schools. Teachers from an early age through the college level rail against capitalism.

Little is taught about how and why the Founding Fathers wrote what they did in the the Constitution. Few if any know that there is a ninth and tenth amendment to the Constitution. Even fewer understand why these amendments are in the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers knew us better than we know ourselves.

Are all teachers like this ? No, but they often do not last long in the educational establishment. As more Americans realize this home schooling will become more prevalent. Then watch the Unions go after the home-schoolers with a vengeance.

This is the common denominator in these issues. The American people have been educated to look to the government for solution. If the American people want a real solution to these problems, look in the mirror.

Tibby

Voteright
M. Reagan is wrong about the money. More money goes to Republicans, but if truth be told more money goes to whoever is in power.

McCain was widely criticzed by the right for McCain-Feingold. Tom Delay' K Street project was not a for the people operation.

Both parties are to blame, both parties depend and large donations and behind every conservative think tank is a billionare financier. The right talks a lot about Soros but how about Coors, the Walton Family, the Bass Bros, T, Boone Pickens, and Enron Kenny.




I agree with REDMANRT and
and KING LIBERAL.....(Can't believe it, but I do agree with him)

From Redmanrt:

"But I dare glance a 3rd time, and it seems to me that they timed the collapse for just before the election. That's one reason why I call them demothugs."

Could'nt agree more!

King Liberal: No more socialist bailouts, something to the effect of let Wall street crumble and heads roll...

Agreed again!

This unfortunately is not the end of bailouts by the govmint, it's only the BEGINNING....but, hey, look at the bright side, we are watching history in motion, a superpower financial collapse right before our very eyes due to stupidity in leadership. (and the DemoRats loving every minute of it....just BEFORE the elections)

On another BRIGHT note...I can't wait to see "An American Carol".....with the mocking of Michael Moore....that's going to be GREAT!

MAD MAX

.....Yes Bush signed the Energy Bill ...why do you think he is personna non grata with Conservatives ...he was a Trojan Horse Liberal who betrayed the base that elected him ...

.....There is only one Conservative in the race ...Sarah Palin, the last hope of the Conservative cause .....COLOSSUS

Tom
That is the way the system is supposed to work on paper, in reality President Drive a lot of legislation.

For Example: NCLB, the Prescription Drug Benefit for Seniors, the Revisions in the Fisa Laws. Every state of the Union Address covers proposals from the President. Additionally when it comes to regulatory agencies the executive branch makes laws and often comes to congress with prewritten legislation.

Of course, how much of a President's legislative agenda becomes law depends on who is in congress and the President's can be very presuative both with members of his own party and with moderates in the other party as well. A threat of a veto also has influence.

Presidents have the staff and control the data that is why even in a divided congress the power shifts to the President. This is true whether that President is George Bush or Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson or FDR.

Tell me that you don't believe that is true?

Following Roosevelt
For all his words and all his programs, FDR never did get the US out of the depression. It hung on until WWII. So how can government socialize now and solve this housing problem - especially since the governmnet rules required frothy loans which are now revealed as soap scum? Government needs to back off. If anything it should regulate itself. - Like politicians cannot receive money from any corporation, company, foundation, or institution created or being regulated by the US government.

Government takeowvers of US free markets are not the solution.

Weak Majorities
We have tyranny by weak majorities in the assignment of Congressional Committees.

Senate and House leadership control who goes onto key committees. After that it is mostly a matter of seniority. That means that most major policies are shaped by a few extreme partisans. Political expediency is the primary driver of much legislation. Hence we get gridlock and bad bills.

Senators and Congress Persons are not responsive to their districts unless their is a crisis. Hence we have management and policy development by crisis. Congress is not serving the people who elected them. They are serving a few leaders in each party and special interests who pay them contributions.

We need a Constitutional Amendment to limit the years that Senators and Congress Persons can serve on any one committee.

Seniority is a bad system for deciding who is going to chair key committees (or even be on them). For example Rangel really should not be running the committees that he does (I used him as an example as he is in trouble and in the news).

The lack of accountability (except to party leadership) creates much of the corruption and misappropriation. This has got to be changed or we will never get decent government that looks out for the interest of the people.

This is real reform. Let's see if McCain picks it up. If not there should be some activists who can get a Constitutional Amendment movement started.

This actually may help the current mess we are in. Bad Government may be even more dangerous than Bad Markets.

Baseballdoc
You are spot on regarding Bush. Not only with the energy bill but with bills he signed off on regarding education but his support for amnesty illegals as well. Bush in fact has behaved like a liberal since shortly after the war in Iraq began. Isn't it convenient for the liberals to NOW blame Bush for doing what THEY wanted him to? JM051's claim that this is Bush's "legislation" is further proof that liberals first create a problem then blame someone else for it's creation. But has Bush gotten any credit for supporting THEIR agenda? NOT A CHANCE. Remember the MBT additive to gasolines that Algore claimed would reduce pollution? It actually INCREASED pollution AND had the added "benefit" of higher gasoline prices! It's since been banned because it was found to introduce dangerous levels of mercury into the water tables! Another instance of "progressive thinking" in action! What WOULD WE DO if not for our liberal friends? MUCH BETTER is my thinking.

JM051
PROPOSING what a president thinks should be in legislation is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than actually creating legislation as you said before. Tell me, since 2006, how much influence has Bush had on legislation coming out of Congress? Where was that liberal oversight in the meantime? Even before 2006, NOT MUCH. Since the onset of the war in Iraq the DEMOCRATS used the power of fillibuster to scuttle MOST of Bush's ideas put into legislation by Republicans. Since then they simply don't allow cloture or go home for extended vacations to avoid an up or down vote. Oil prices spiked yesterday and guess why? Because if the Dems have their way and pass this bailout the dollar will sink on world markets causing a spike in oil prices NOT from supply/demand issues but because of GOVERNMENTAL INTRUSION INTO THE MARKETS. LET Fannie and Freddie DIE. How can we the people who pay taxes expect an institution privately operated but PUBLICLY funded to NOT fail? Government oversight won't fix the problem because the root of the problem is that politicians of BOTH sides serve their own interests which MOST TIMES does NOT coincide with taxpaying public.

The GOP
has not "controlled" congress since GWB took office in 2001.
1. John McCain.
2. Chuck Hagel.
3. Olympia Snow.
4. Lincoln Chaffee.
5. Dick Lugar.
These 5 "republican" senators voted with the democrats in virtually every single instance where it mattered to the economy or defense spending, which made the republican "majority" a 50/50 split, which almost always resulted in a couple of the neophyte congressmen chickening out and going along to be shown as "bipartisan".
The next time you type "GOP controlled", understand that you are being disingenuous.
(And I'm being polite).

From today's politico.com:
"Un-American" activities committee?

Kentucky Sen. JIm Bunning, the biggest anti-bailout bomb-thrower, just told Paulson and Bernanke their plan was "financial socialism and it's un-American."

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A small but impassioned group of both democrats and republicans are rebeling against this "immediate action now" threat.... and threaten to derail the Bush-Paulson plan.


King Liberal
So you think Bush's being bi-partisan was a bad idea? I agree (something I never thought I would do). Tell me, how do you like the results? You with your rabid partisanship now seem to be admitting that Bush's support of liberal legislation was a disaster! There may be hope for you yet. Why do you think Bush's support is so bad especially from his own party? You refer to someone as a loser because they point this out but the REAL loser is YOU who thinks more of this idiotic type of leadership is needed!!!

Hate to say it
but King Lib has that much right- NO bailout; let the chips fall where they may.

By the way,
does anyone remember the phrase "secondary politics"?
It was used by JM to attempt to pass amnesty.

A Political "Solution"
The Libertarian type fiscal responsibility would have precluded the current runaway chaos on Wall Street. We just don’t seem to learn, or most probably, the manipulators of government and Wall Street don’t want reform; they just want to ride the gravy train at tax payers’ expense. Remember the Savings & Loan fiasco some years back and then Enron? There’s a pattern there, no?
The bigger picture is this: Too often, the middle class ultimately gets stuck with the mess. The middle class is seen as food by the predators of the financial industry (and they are nearly all predators). These predators come up with all kind of convoluted financial schemes to, among other unsavory things, reduce/shift risk to/from themselves, maximize profit regardless who they extract it from, charge high fees for no or next to no effort, and, in cahoots with legislators and regulators, create new or circumvent the already loose laws/regulations to enable maximum predation. They’ll even resort to collectively exploit “average Joe’s” basic lifestyle needs, such as they are, and cynically find ways to enslave them further with debt. Along with the legal “profession” they are bottom feeders who have no scruples in accessing what they see as their personal playground: the collective wealth of the middle class. Execution by garrote is too good for them.

I'm happy that a section of dem congress
-persons (& republicans) on Capital Hill seem to be fighting for the PEOPLE today.

After all, if taxpayers are expected to shell out $700 billion dollars to "buy up" bad debt, then taxpayers must be treated like the primary stockholders and get all the bonus monies other major stockholders are routinely afforded.

If this marketing venture works out (thanks to an influx of taxpayer cash), then I think the resulting monies are a fine way to redistribute the wealth that should be acceptable to everyone.

Oddly enough, I think Karl Marx himself might be pleased with this solution as a way to reward the proletariat (labor, the majority of U.S. workers) because of its participation. And the workers can now fight for a bigger share in their government's profits as we nationalize the oil, gas, coal, gold - all natural resources - industries!

Gold ruined by tin
Meddlers in the free market (which for the past many years have tended to be Democrat, although many Republicans have succombed as well) have caused the "gold" in our money supply to be contaminated by "tin." Traders in the money markets have willingly donned blinders to continue to trade in this contaminated "gold."

Any member of the Senate Banking Committee who participated in this con on the American citizen by allowing the hijack of our money supply with this "false gold" should immediately resign, beginning with Barney Frank. They should also return all funds received to date from the GSE's (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac)to the Federal Treasury. They should forfeit their Congressional pensions. The taxpayer should owe them nothing and they should consider themselves lucky to have gotten away so cheaply.

Our federal government should not bailout these Wall Street players with free funds in the uncertain hope that when everything is sorted out, we may actually come out ahead or even. We should loan a discounted amount against mortgage securities for a limited time and create an agency to "assay" the holdings of these mortgage securities to sort out the tin from the gold. Wall Street, including the investors it serves, should absorb the losses that represent "tin."

People should not invest in instruments they do not understand and cannot measure the risk of. That has always been true and wise investors live by it.

Congress' actions have not served the poor and they have not earned confidence. They have made us all poor and they have created such instability and irrationality in the market that no one has confidence. That serves neither country nor charity. It serves vanity and foolishness. The hallmark of the politician.

Blame the lawyers. They wrote all

the rules and created all the worthless paper. They are the ones behind the secrecy.

How many banks are in trouble? What is the size of their deposits? Who are holding the worthless securities? Is this really a ploy to send more taxpayers' dollars to the fat cats?

Newt Has An Answer
That won't cost a cent of public money. In short, it goes like this:

- Reduce capital gains taxes to zero.

- Repeal Sarbanes Oxley.

- Repeal corporate taxes.

- Repeal all impediments to domestic energy production.

Newt claims these measures will bring in enough capital to fix the problem without penalizing the taxpayers. I much prefer this approach to the one proposed by Paulson, et al.

Here's the link for a fuller explanation:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGE5MmE0YmRiODA3YT RiNzFlN2FmNDU5N2I0ZDc3YTE=

QUEEN LIBERAL

.....I thought you were on your way to the Desert to move in with Desert Dweller? .....COLOSSUS

sad truth
after after obama wins this will be the good old days.

Funding socialism with capitalist $
The background story of this whole mess is that the Clinton administration found a highly effective way of channeling billions of taxpayer dollars to organizations that built the ranks of voters supporting socialism in this country.

FNMA and Freddie Mac and strong enforcement of the provisions of the Community Reinvestment Act sent billions of dollars in loans to the inner city. These loans were distributed through organizations like ACORN and NACA which included voter registration forms in their morgage packets. These organizations required that recipients of mortgage loans attend education (indoctrination) sessions where they were taught to become activists working against the principles that have made this country prosperous and free. They have exploited the poor to further their own agenda and they have been nowhere to be found when those they've "helped" have lost their homes. They merely move on to the next victim with the confidence that they can create another enemy of freedom.

Now, these organizations have the gall to ask that THEY GET MORE FUNDS as part of this bailout.

See article written in 2000 about the damage these organizations have done to the nation's cities - "The Trillion Dollar Bank Shakedown That Bodes Ill for Cities."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.h tml

Do not let Barney Frank and Chris Dodd give more money to these organizations.

Do not vote for candidates that have worked as "community organizers" for these organizations. They are dismantling America.

Keep preaching communism, will,
and the angry white men with guns will eventually straighten you out after asking God how to regain our freedom from governmental tyranny, voted in by socialists like you.
The public isn't as stupid as you and the lefty congress seems to think we are, so keep talking Red.

Addendum
Small, but relevant addition:

Do not vote for candidates that have worked as "community organizers" for these organizations. They are dismantling America and THEY ARE DOING IT WITH YOUR MONEY!

Do not fund your own demise.

the Fleecing of America
One of the founding fathers said that this Republic would last only until the day people figured out they could loot the national treasury for their own purposes. That day has come. We are no longer a free and democratic Republic "of the people, by the people, and for the people"; instead, we are an oligarchy of powerful, self-serving interests who use the Congress, the banking system, Wall Street and the national treasury for their own purposes. Both political parties are shills and frontmen for this self-serving oligarchy, and have been rewarded well for their services.

Don't worry, be happy
Mr. Sowell says that everything gonna' be alright. Heck, unemployment is only 6.1%. The GDP is up. It's all those bad libeeerals that screwed the pooch.

90% of the people in the world would love to owe $35,000 each to the Chinese.

Our inflation rate is up a little. Yep, gas is $4.00 a gallon, don't worry.

No problem. Just stop the government from regulating so much. Eliminate waste. No problem.

Diane
"These organizations required that recipients of mortgage loans attend education (indoctrination) sessions where they were taught to become activists working against the principles that have made this country prosperous and free."

I went to one of these sessions and they mostly talked about how to improve your credit rating. It was on a very elementary level, but there are people who don't know that maxing out your credit cards lowers your credit rating. I learned that it is generally not a good idea to cancel your credit cards if you're seeking a mortgage. It brings down your credit rating. I don't know why, but it does.

Multiple factors
Reading through the comments is certainly reveals how little we all know about the current financial debacle. The history of pushing loans out for folks who wouldn't qualify is one key but then there is the "regulation" that penalized the banks if they didn't conform to numbers of these loans. Then you have the removal of "walls" between banks and investments. If we want to know what's going on it's up to us to find out independently because not one of the "print sources" or boob tube shows can be trusted. This mess reveals significant future problems for "we the people" if we don't get busy and fight back. This goes beyond partisanship and depends upon citizens who have real values.

Meanwhile, in the political cycle we have our left leaning "good Americans" fanning the flames of racism. What a country!

Not the 5 this time
I’m disappointed DR. Sowell. From an economist of your stature I would have loved to hear your take on why this event occurred and what is needed to fix it and prevent recurrence. You fell short on that score and I will pick knits on the following statements:

Saints are no more common on Capitol Hill than they are on Wall Street.

- Actually Dr. Sowell, demons are a lot more common in Congress.

There are times when government intervention can make things better.

- In my life I have NEVER experienced a time when government made things better.

Our inflation rate is up a little but many countries would love to get their inflation rate down to where ours is.

- Our inflation rate, by the current measurement standard, is low. However, by the time we spend another trillion dollars of unfunded taxpayer funds we will rival Zimbabwe where a loaf of bread costs 900 million dollars (Zim).

But most of all I am disappointed in the fact that you did not delve more deeply in the Demonrat paws in this mess. Maxine Waters is really a bit player here.

Too others who have posted that we should not point fingers and who say this is a “bi-partisan mess” I say BS! The reason this mess occurred is because a few Republicans crossed the aisle in a ‘bi-partisan” fashion and blocked reforms of the Carter-Clinton mechanizations in Fannie-Freddie.

And how about a BIG WAKEUP call, those socialist mechanizations by the Dems are on-going. Even in the wake of economic collapse they will not give up.

We need a lot more partisan fighting!

Thank you Dr. Sowell
I am a huge fan and what is expressed in this article is what I expected. From the jump I have, as a voter, been against the government bailout of ANY private- or semi-private- concern. I thank Dr. Sowell for what I know about how our government works in the area of economics.
When members of the Clinton machine were using these organizations as their private money machine, other voices were crying in the wilderness. Those same voices are now, rightly, calling for the government to let them FAIL. I agree. The whole sub-prime disaster can be laid firmly at the feet of the Democrats with the Republicans taking the blame for not speaking out or stopping it.
It is at THIS point where it is incumbent on "we the people" to wake up and take control of our government. The whole "let the government do it" thinking that started under FDR must stop.
When November rolls around, do yourself and your children a favor. Vote OUT the democrats. Once we are done with them, we can start on the republicans who don't know how to be leaders.

Any solution should start with ...
putting Bernacke in jail and a public hanging for Greenspan. The Fed is suppose to be independent so it will do what is right for the economy, not what is politcally feasible.
"... in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie 'continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road. We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.' "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKS oiNbnQY0

Having warned us, his job was done. If Greenspan wanted to reign in Freddie and Fannie, all he had to do was blackmail Congress with the threat of an increase interest rate increase. Now, he feels he has earned the right to say: "I told you so."

If these morons could not avert the "crisis", what chance is there that they can fix the "crisis"? Crisis is simply a license to steal. I am no economist, but addition liquidity is an odd fix to a problem caused by excess liquidity.

Where to now?
If the good did not do it and the bad did it and if the bad did not do it and the good did it, then it must be time to fire the entire bunch of sleaze balls running around in Washington. It is quite apparent that the ruling class considers the average person is stupid, Well stupid my vote this election

Sowell's Slant
Sowell compares the current economy of the U.S. as better than 90% of other countries. Why would anyone compare the most powerful country in the world to a majority of third world countries?

Mr. Sowell articles apparently are all slanted toward his fixation on the history of Karl Marx, Hitler and the other bad guys of the 19th & 20th century.

Hello, we are in the 21st Century. Get with it Sowell.



Investment Banks = Ponzi Scheme
This crisis is a GOOD THING! Wall St has changed. The Investment Banks are now gone. Banks will now return to the traditional model of moderately leveraged, customer deposit focused organizarions. Indeed, they will be less profitable and mortgages will be more difficult to obtain; i.e. you will need $ down, you will need a job, you will need a good credit rating, you will be measured on your ability to pay. Sorry, if you have a $75,000 a year job and maxed-out credit cards, you won't be able to buy that $400,000 McMansion to house your leased Lexus.

Investment Banks were a gigantic Ponzi Scheme, using short term debt to fund long term lending, paying themselves big salaries and incredible bonuses, investing in very risky-high return instruments (which these highly paid executives didn't understand), operating at unsustainable leverage ratios and buying-off their Congressional friends (both parties). These once very professional firms evolved over time into highly speculative and near criminal organizations. Anybody with any understanding of economics knew this couldn't last, especially when their business model became entirely dependent upon ever-rising housing values and ignorant, greedy borrowers who bought into the infinite housing value appreciation and cooperative hedge fund managers.

There is a lot of blame to go around, there are no heroes here! It will be painful, all corrections are, but our financial system will be far better off.

Alaskan Sweetie vs. Wall Street Criminal


We must fight the idea that the Alaskan Sweetie does not have enough experience to do her job. Yes experience is important, but brains are more important.

Then think of the 10’s of thousands of bankers, brokers, lawyers, economists each with 6 or 8 years of education in their profession, and 10 to 20 and even more, experience of daily work in their specially.

Now who can and will do the best job, the Lipsticked Sweetie, or the members of the financial services? Whoops, there must be some word to use rather than “services.”

Just remember that the only thing worse than a government regulation, is the stupidity and criminal activity of members of whatever industry has been regulated. I don’t remember any regulation that was enacted before some greedy, criminally oriented group of individuals made it necessary.

Vic-original
Hiiii. Found any Kommies lately?

"We need a lot more partisan fighting!"

that'll do it. partisan fighting. Done a lot in the last two years.

More bickering, less problem solving.

Taxpayers bend over...
grab ankles and take the medicine. Be prepared for debilitating side effects and the fact that some of them will be fatal.

The inmates are in control of the asylum.

Eleanor
Regarding Mr Sowell's fixation on the history of Karl Marx, Hitler and the other bad guys of the 19th and 20th centuries: those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it, even in the 21st century.

liberals
TWO WORDS TO THE WISE FOR NANCY PELOSI, ET AL, HARRY REID, ET AL, AND SCOTUS: REMEMBER HISTORY

WHEN KING GEORGE III AND PARLIAMENT CAUSED THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY HAD 3000 MILES OF OCEAN AND A LARGE ARMY AND NAVY BETWEEN THEM AND THE VICTIMS OF THEIR TYRANNY. THAT IS WHY THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS DIRECTED THEIR DISPLEASURE AT A SHIPLOAD OF TEA.

NOW, WHEN U. S. CONGRESS MEMBERS ARE CAUSING THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THEY ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PATRIOTS THEY ARE BETRAYING, AS WERE THE FRENCH ROYALS WHO WERE GUILLOTINED. NOW THERE ARE 300 MILLION PEOPLE, ALL BEING HURT BY THEIR ACTS OF TREASON.

NOW, THEY CAN BE TRIED FOR TREASON BY THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHO WILL NOT TOLERATE THE LIBERAL BETRAYEL OF OUR NATION AND OF OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL. WHEN BOTH SENATORS AND SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM MANY OF THE STATES COMMIT MULTIPLE ACTS OF TREASON AGAINST THE NATION AND THE PEOPLE, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE CONSTITUENTS TO PROSECUTE THEM, SELECT APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT FOR THEM, AND CARRY IT OUT.

WHEN ATTACKING FORCES USE TRAITORS, THEY DON’T ELEVATE THE TRAITORS AFTER WINNING. THEY GET RID OF THEM, BECAUSE, SINCE THEY COULDN’T BE TRUSTED BY THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND NEIGHBORS, THEY CAN’T BE TRUSTED BY THE ATTACKERS.

Place the blame whre it belongs
The economic crisis this country is in is the fault of privatization and deregulation. Nobody was watching the store, nobody was protecting the American people.
Now we have a party ticket, McCain/Palin, running as "mavaricks", deregulators and privatizers.
Their campaign is run by seven of the most powerful lobbyists in Washington and they are tied directly into the markets that have failed and the oil crisis.
To say we are not drilling, or the dems don't want drilling is ridiculous. We are drilling, check out what's happening in the Dakotas. There's allegedly plenty of oil there, enough they say to supply 50% of our needs.
But that's not enough for the destroyers of this earth, big oil wants to drill offshore and in the wilderness of Alaska. In fact, that is the most likely reason Sarah Palin was chosen to run as VP. Big oil+Alaska=Palin.
The way I see it, and you won't like this, the McCain/Palin ticket is little more than a front for the lobbyists who got us into this mess. And nothing will change for the better with the influence of lobbyists inside the oval office.


Both parties--
I believe that both political parties are filled mostly with buffoons and finger pointers who afix the blame on everyone but themselves. This has been revealed over and over, but we continue to elect these buffoons because the really sharp honest people don't run for office, or as some will point out, that the good ones tell the truth and not the pie in the sky that the majority of sheeple want to hear. But when the crisis hits, the sheeple whine. As Glen Beck has indicated, pitchforks are now needed.

Mortgages and Greasing the Skids
It seems no one is talking about what $700 billion is going to do. Before we approve it [through our dubious representatives] as a 'bailout', we should know exactly what it all means. Who are we reimbursing? What exactly is the money being used for? Should we take responsibility for people who took advantage of loose lending and mortgaging rules? They should never had the loans or houses they have now in the first place. Imagine buying a home with a 100% mortgage and still not being able to make the monthly payments or keep up with the taxes. If these people lose their homes, I'm not going to be in the forefront sympathizing with them.

I've known for decades that action on Wall Street is simply legalized gambling. Add the puts and calls and futures et al along with tips and manipulations make things worse. Add the Street's record of unreasonably large salaries, bonuses, and options [almost to the extent of Hollywood celebrities], and you have a recipe for disaster. It just took a few hundred years of constant activity to give us depressions, recessions, scandals, and meltdowns.

And don't expect Congress to do the right thing. The members of Congress [mostly the Democrats] are so entrenched in the disaster---including greasing the skids---that we may never save everything that needs saving.

Motives
Does the Democratic Congress believe that if they are able to engineer a complete economic meltdown, they will be able to ride it into complete power over the executive and legislative branches of government?

Are the Republicans completely clueless as to what has been going on?

gattlflaga
Oh that's a friggin great idea. Eliminate the capitol gains tax. Wow, why didn't I think of that?

You know who pays capitol gains taxes?

Do you smarty-pants? I''l give you a hint. It's not the middle class.

"Repeal corporate taxes." now that's friggin' brilliant. Most corporations don't pay income tax. They paid $370 billion two years ago and last year they paid $364 billion.

Now if we take out two revenue sources for the treasury who is going to get stuck with the debt?

I'll give you a hint. It is the middle class.

And;
"That won't cost a cent of public money." Nope and the check's in the mail.


Student loans, credit card debt...
As if worthless mortgage derivatives weren't enough, now Paulson & Co. want to include other consumer loans in the bailout:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/23/student-car -debt-quietly-added/


Dusty
Yeah. That was the idea. We Dumbocrats would destroy the economy ('cause were all rich) and then the poor Republicans would look stupid and we could get the White House for Commie Obama and the dark would rule over the light.

But now you went and blew the whole deal by figuring it out.

Well, back to the drawing board.

And no the Republicans are not completely clueless, they have been in power for the last 7 years.

BG
How about a Constitutional Amendment that nobody may spend more than a total of six (6) years in Congress? After then, none of them have a new idea to help the country?

No Investigation
There will be no investigation of this debacle because the cause was not "privatization" nor "deregulation". It also cannot be laid at the door of "corrupt Wall Street Moguls" though some certainly took advantage of the corruption in Fannie & Freddie.

There will be no investigation because Democrats like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and going back to Jimmy Carter are culpable. Likewise an investigation would show that President Bush advocated regulation and later John McCain did as well. Both were stymied by Democratic opposition.

Republicans may be the party of "deregulation" and Democrats may be the party that protects "the little guy" but that is not the explanation of what happened here.

No review, no liability
Under Section 4 of the bailout proposal, the Secretary would only have to report to Congress within three months of first exercising the proposed bailout authority; after that, it would be twice a year.

Under Section 8, decisions by the Treasury Secretary under the bailout plan would be non-reviewable, including "by any court of law or administrative agency."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/09/20/treasurys-financi al-bailout-proposal-to-congress/




pablo st. cruz
You didn't have to confess; it was a rhetorical question.

economic reason starts at home
As someone who went through losing everything I had twice, I think I've finally got a handle on economic reason. If you are just starting out in life, you don't need to try and live the lifestyle it took your parents twenty years to achieve overnight. Parents, how can you expect your child to budget for food and rent when every time they wanted a new toy they got it? Economic reason means using the "N" word : NO.
When you are getting a sweetheart deal on your mortgage, or when you find you qualify for a mortgage when you have no savings, can't make a down payment, have been in your currant job less than five years, and your annual income is less than the national average : Walk Away ! If a deal looks to good to be true, there is a problem with the deal. There is something rotten or unethical, or just plain stupid about it.
I bet Obama wishes someone told this to him before he got help buying his home from Rizzo.

To pay the $700 billion
Will the dems eliminate these new taxes they want to impose on us?

EXISTING DEMOCRAT TAX BILLS

45 TRILLION DOLLARS = Carbon credit Tax
1 TRILLION DOLLARS = Charlie Rangel’s Tax
845 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s To-The-UN Tax
76 BILLION DOLLARS = Obama’s gasoline tax
10 CENTS PER GALLON = Gasoline pump tax increase

WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES, PERIOD!!!


Robyn
"Vote out the Democrats"

I thought you guys did that back in 2000. What's the matter? Still unhappy because the Republicans didn't completely gut the Bill-O-Rights?

Political Elites Are the Enemy
Both political parties; our entire political class, is entirely corrupt and self serving, and this "crisis" was engineered to transfer a trillion dollars to the political lites and their Wall Street enablers. George W. Bush is our first communist president. It is the Bush family, with their deep roots in the elite political class, that has engineered this outrage. Democrats also stand to reap millions as a reward for their ransacking of Fannie Mae. Everything is the predictable result of corrupt government meddling in the marketplace. There is no substitute for hardnosed vigilance when you are doing business with the lying thieves in our financial institutions. The government promoted 401ks and mutual funds that insulate companies from stockholder control. Government regulation is a cover for more corruption. The idea that our totally corrupt government is going to protect your interests is naive and stupid. The government's mission is to make you a slave.

Nobody bailed me out
I started my "career" with some major financial errors that cost me a lot of time and money, and I'd like to be reimbursed for all of them -- adjusted for inflation -- before I am asked to reach into my pocket for so much as a dime to fix this mess.

There are only a handful of people I would trust with the discretion to allocate $700 billion, and that list most assuredly does not include the current Secretary of the Treasury. At the top of that list, though -- and you Paulistas will enjoy this -- is Rep. Ron Paul, but that's largely due to the certainty that he would go beyond spending it wisely all the way to not spending it at all. Behind Paul, though, and with perhaps a more realistic chance, is Newt Gingrich. Either -- or both -- in McCain's Cabinet, would go a very long way toward reassuring the markets and the general public that the games are over.

I don't blame Obama for his association with yet another miscreant. I want Franklin Raines as my economic adviser too: I want to know where I can get a position where I can do a p***-poor job and pull down eight figures. The guy is a genius!

However, I'll insist on Barney Frank being hanged in a public square. I'll bring the rope.

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BTW, first post since Ike. Power back up at the house finally, but no Internet. This comes to you by means of the WiFi at my favorite coffee bar. Still hundreds of thousands of us in the dark, but life is returning to normal. Bill White, despite being a Democrat, is *not* Ray Nagin.

Pablo St.Cruz #123
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the sole ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects the money, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people, even though business has to pay thousands or millions of dollars at one time, and get it back from us one dollar at a time.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax eliminations are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone, including government.
One Tax and Done will provide many benefits to all, even government:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third.

Ron
But you have to pay off the debt first. You can't just cut taxes and hope the economy will be stimulated. You cut revenues or you cut expenditures.

Pablo
Where do you think the corporations get the money to pay corporate taxes? They don't print it in the basement; they add it to the cost of their products or they short the return to the shareholders - who, BTW, are those of us with IRAs, 401Ks, pensions, and life insurance. So, you're basically correct, corporations don't pay taxes, they collect them for the government from the middle class. But the cost of doing so is a major disincentive for doing business in the USA, which is a big reason why most of the products you buy today say "China" on the bottom.

Reducing capital gains taxes will spur investment - because as you imply, the people with capital pay capitol gains taxes when they make a profit. If you want people with capital to get into the game, they need an incentive - profit. Right now they have their money overseas where they can make a profit without such high taxes. It has been demonstrated time and time again that reducing tax rates stimulates economic activity, which in turn INCREASES federal tax revenue. Even Obama knows this to be true.

You seem to be suggesting that diverting capital from the free market into the government coffers will somehow help us out of this mess. So, perhaps you'd like the IRS to take 75 percent of your paycheck and let you figure out how to raise your standard of living on the remaining 25 percent. I'm sure you'd enjoy knowing that your hard-earned money is paying for some government grant to study the mating habits of south American fruit flies or some other worthy cause.

One Day at a Time
In AA, we say, One Day at a Time. At Wal-Mart there is something called Wake-Up, in the over-the-counter section: It'll help with the hangovers.

So to speak, America needs a serious wake up call. It'll take much, much more than the current "crisis."

It'll take another 9/11 that will make 9/11 look like an autumn stroll in Battery Park.

Pablo never heard of Laffer
"You can't just cut taxes and hope the economy will be stimulated."

It's not a matter of "hope" to anyone not drinking the Obama kool-aid: it is the certainty that cuts in marginal tax rates increase tax revenues, reducing the government's impact on the credit market and thus stimulating the economy.

Got that, Pablo? C-E-R-T-A-I-N-T-Y. Democrats used to know this. In fact, it was one of their own -- the sainted JFK -- who was first to try it.

Legend has it that the graph for this theorem was first drawn on a cocktail napkin, but then many great ideas, though few as impactful, start that way. I can't reproduce it here, but the description couldn't be clearer: it's a simple bell curve, tax rates in the X-axis, government revenues in the Y-axis. And yes, kids, you *can* try this at home!

I believe it was another legendary figure, the late great Milton Friedman, who remarked that if reducing rates has the effect of increasing revenues, then rates haven't been reduced enough.

Can I get an "amen"?


Are you really going to do it again?
Apparently the majority of the bloggers on this site are the same people who voted in for a second term a president who failed the American people, lied about the need to invade Iraq and started a war without end.

Look what that re-election got us.

Can you in good concience elect the same old same old? If you believe that history repeats itself and you should learn from history then voting the same way again will only get you another failed administration.


Socialist/Liberals Vs Sowell
You show me any far left Socialist Liberal a third as smart and has "one half" the common sense of a Thomas Sowell and I'll Salute Bill Clinton , John Kerry and Al Gore .
Adams and Madison were not Liberals plus FDR had little sense of what the NEW DEAL , Social Security would come to today since People died by 62-65 in his time and the GDP was very small unlike today .
Of course Nancy Polosi , Harry Reid , Chris Dodd and Barney Frank prove that years in office trumps over ability and slightly above none Functional in 4 of the 7 most Important Powerful Offices in America . Oboma is a never be a 'Thomas Sowell 'nor is McCain but Palin has possibilities since She fought Liberals and RePublicans in Alaska and She won alone with Alaskans .
I am told quite often on the Anchorage news in Alaska since I joined the paper and read and play on their blogs .
Palin is 83 % positive in the polls there .

Walk Out On Your Mortgage Now
If every American who is paying a mortgage walked out, the government would not be able to go through with this communist takeover. Why should anyone honor their obligations, when the government rewards those who walk out, and the government punishes those who keep their word. The time has come for ordinary Americans to stand up for themselves, to repudiate the national debt, to walk away from their personal debts to the thieving financiers, and to start over by creating a European American Homeland on the North American Continent. If the United States ceases to exist there will be no $10 trillion national debt.

McCain shouts like Khruschev
John McCain is banging his figurative shoe on the podium in righteous indignation. .....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/09/23/anarchy-the-slippery- slope-of-deregulation/

Dr. Fixit nails it: PIECE NOW!
It's time to organize the National Mortgage Walkout! An amortization moratorium! When people who *didn't* screw up start to act, they'll come to the awful realization that that $700 billion they're talking about will be no more than chump-change.

To echo our moratorium forebears -- OK, in many cases, that would be to echo our much younger and stupider selves -- we could wear green armbands and our slogan could be PIECE NOW!

NO PIECE: NO JUSTICE!

And in answer to the battlecry of the Obama mob, this: OH NO YOU DON'T!



Eleanor, in what way would
Gore or Kerry (purely Socialists) would have been better than Bush? Other than the fact that we would be further down the proverbial path to "you know where" and probably would have already had another 9/11 or worse.

The GOP has caved and is pandering to those crying for government to save them. Thanks to Barney Franks and his ilk banks were forced to comply with risky lending practices so anyone who is breathing could buy a house, never mind they had not the means to pay for it.

If the banks refused they risked being publicly humiliated as being mean at the ver least, at worst they would be denied borrowing abilities that they could only qualify for by making the risky loans.

I have personally witnessed Chris Dodd on the floor of the Senate advocating these very practices, so don't tell me it isn't so.


Who Is In The Details?
I am with you all the way, but for one comment: "The Devil Is In The Details." If we ignore there is a God, that would be possible, but if there were no God, would we exist?

If we believe in a Creation then we have to admit that God even created the Devil and as with us all gave us our free agency.

The truth of the matter is that "God is in the details." A statement made originally by David Oman, a religious Historian in 1956. I hope we can give credit where credit is due.

Upside down...
The Carter/Clinton CRA practically forced banks to abandon careful lending practices, then Fannie and Freddie took the risk from them by buying up those subprime mortgages. The rules were set up so that banks make money by the quantity of loans they sell, not quality. Yet today, people turn around to blame "predatory lending" for the subprime problem.

With support from the Dems, including Sen. Obama no less, and a few Republicans in Congress, who killed the bill (which incidentally was supported by Sen. McCain) to reform them back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were then emboldened to relentlessly buy up subprime mortgages, providing liquidity to that market. Wall Street could not be in this mess without this liquidity and the implicit government backing. Yet today, the majority of the country believes that Obama will be the better President to turn around the economy.

What a country we live in!

congress
these are the people that have done such a fine job withe the economy that the left wing nut jobs want to turn over health care industry to them also,barney frank and chris dodd are idiots and should be tried and shot for treason

pablo
The reason more and more of our jobs are going overseas is: The cost of maintaining the secular socialist liberals "PLANTATIONS OF DEPENDENCY",along with the high cost of operating the socialist, bloated, and inefficient governmental agencies needed to maintain their caste system forces our business to go overseas in order to compete in the world market. Look for another sucking sound as more jobs go out if Obamo is elected. Remember taxes and the cost of our government is on the expense side of the ledger. Doubtful ask Professor Williams. A concerned senior citizen.

Eleanor
The industry was plenty "regulated" with the fox guarding the hen house. That's what "regulation" and "oversight" are - ways to take control for their own use and benefit.

Yup, no doubt about it, the Republicans suck. They've abandoned their principles, lied to us, and stolen from us. But on balance, the Democrats have been worse.

More GOP Propaganda From Sowell
Sowell is so anxious to get a Republican elected -- even a Republican who he declared would be a disaster for the country -- that he is willing to tell half-truths in order to cover up the real economic mess that the GOP has gotten us in.

Our country is in a mess. Yeah, we've had "growth", but it is growth funded by an ever-shrinking dollar. Furthermore, much of the "growth" has been in the financial sector. It's growth in the amount of money that these people have stolen from the taxpayers.

He tries to downplay inflation, but he KNOWS that the government keeps the inflation figures artificially low by refusing to consider inflation in food, fuel & other "volatile" necessities. The real inflation rate is over 12%. He also KNOWS that in the last two months, the government as promised to infuse $1.25 trillion into the economy to bail out Wall Street. Inflation is going to pick up steam dramatically.

As for unemployment, the numbers only count those who are still looking for a job. The government numbers do not count those who have given up on trying to get one. Our unemployment rate is much higher than the government will admit.

Also Sowell compares the US with other nations. We don't care about other nations -- they have been driven into the ground by the same sort of policies that the GOP has adopted. We sure as hell don't need to adopt more of these policies.

Don't get the idea that I think the Democrats aren't as much to blame as the GOP. But the fact is that for almost 8 years, we've had a GOP president & for 6 of those years we had a GOP Congress. We didn't hear anything about doing away with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac then. We didn't hear any of them (except Ron Paul) calling for the end of easy money from the Fed. Nor did the GOP-controlled Congress do anything to stop this when Clinton was president.

Farmer's Wife
I think you need to check the facts on what the lenders should have done and what they actually did.
I believe the idea was to try to assist people who wanted to buy a home but were in a lower income bracket to do so. There was no okay from the Congress for lenders to create shylock loans.
Face it no one ws watching out for the American people and that's what deregulation and privatization got for all of us.
McCain is running as Mr."deregulator/privatizer.
And don't forget he's the guy who boasts of being Chairman of the Commerce Commission and brags about having oversight in all areas of the economy. Well, nice job McCain.

curious
It is not clear, does Sowell know that the current mess started in the subprime market rather than the market in which the Macs have their backing? His argument suggests that he doesn't. But it is hard to imagine that a serious economist would not be following the story close enough to know this.

Loba
Think about this. Democrats have a history of administrations who come into offfice and cleaned up the messes left by the Republicans.
Clinton is a great example that. In the Clinton years the economy was very strong and both the little guy and the big guys were doing well.
Bush came in with his lobbyists cronies and little by little and in large chunks destroyed a strong economy, created a never ending war that cost precious American lives and trillions of dollars (who is reaping the wealth from the war),mishandled the crisis in the Gulf Coast we all refer to as "Katrina", just to name of few major incidents, and outright lied to the American people about just about everything that mattered.
And John McCain stood right with him and voted with Bush 90% of the time. You don't hear him bragging about that much during his campaign, the lobbyists behind the McCain campaign won't allow that.

Democrat Administrations have a...
history of handing out more and more government goodies (paid for on the backs of taxpayers) to secure votes and insure they increase their constituency.

Socialists, Communists and Marxists feel right at home in the Democrat Party and are pushing it ever more to the Left. The Communist Party USA has vetted and approved Obama.

The GOP has their own problems, mostly caused by caving in to the Socialist schemes of Democrats. They are still better than the Party of the Democrats taking us down the path to Communism.

McCain/Palin = Victory '08

Something Wrong Here
There are about 1 million homes in foreclosure.
The government is about to spend $700 BILLION to save the financial system that made these bad loans.

Now, $700,000,000,000 / 1,000,000 =
$700,000/Home!

We could buy every homeowner in foreclosure a brand new $700,000 home!

And, that's not a real number. Many of these foreclosures are for speculators, not families who actually live in the houses.

I didn't go to Harvard or Yale, so would one of you explain what it is I don't get here?

Seems like we could pay off every mortage for families in financial trouble for far less than $700 Billion and let the speculators and dishonest financial guys who wrote the loans declare bankruptcy.



The Owners of the Federal Reserve
JJ and others:

Keep in mind that the Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency that is meant to help preserve the economy here. Greenspan did NOT work FOR the U.S.

It is owned primarily by the Rothchild family in the Netherlands. When the U.S. went bankrupt about 1933, the banking industry including the Federal Reserve was turned over to five banking families. The Rothchilds bought them out.

The Rothchilds use the Federal Reserve to vary money rates since they make their money by "selling" one national currency to buy another. For over a hundred years the dollar was the base rate and everything else was floated against the dollar. Now they are using the Euro. So the dollar is now allowed to fluxuation in value which causes us serious problems.

So don't think the Federal Reserve is here to help keep our economy and dollar stable. It isn't and hasn't been for over eighty years.

Liberals Making Deregulation...
a dirty word.

ook at the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, critics say: The law encouraged banks to “meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound banking operations.”

Banks that wanted to expand had to prove they were meeting the needs of under-served communities – and critics say the banks did that by making loans to unqualified borrowers.

Which brings us to today, when the nation’s investment banks are disappearing under the weight of bad loans and risky subprime mortgages – and the federal government is proposing a $700-billion taxpayer bailout to “unclog the system,” as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson put it.

The Barack Obama campaign – and one of the labor unions that supports it – wants Americans to equate “deregulation” with failure. The Obama campaign has released a new political ad that blames the Wall Street crisis on “Bush-McCain” policies (deregulation).

Read the whole thing at:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=3 6159

The truth will set you free
Oblaba ans Biden voted against regulation of Fannie and Freddie as reported by the NYT. So let the media do their job and get this out to the American people and shut the dims down once and for all. I can see a lib letdown coming soon when they see Americans have totally rejected their empty suits and the writing is on the wall for November. I only hope it carries us over in Congress as well.

Economic Czar
Let's all vote for Speaker Newt Gingrich to be appointed Economic & Energy Czar with the same amount of authority as is being demanded by Hank Paulson.

Democrat Responsibility
It seems there are quite a few Obama koolade drinkers here. The record is quite clear that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were used by Democrats to enable their redistribution and social engineering projects and now it has backfired in our face. The record also shows that Republican efforts to regulate the firms was killed by Democrats and that Democrats received far more political payoffs from these firms.

It is also clear that we are sending up to $700 Billion per year to others because Democrats will not allow us to produce more domestic energy of any kind. Therefore, Democrats are responsible for 1.4 trillion dollars of debt this year alone.

The Democrats also cost us trillions on their social engineering project formally known as welfare. Republicans did a fairly good job of fixing it after it had enslaved entire generations of the poor to the government.

The time has come to either vote the Democrats out for good or the rest of us should engage them in a fight for the country. Enough evidence of their failure is available that anyone who supports them is an enemy of the state.

Obama, Raines, Frank Caused Crisis
The truth is the entire mortgage crisis was caused by hoodlums like Franklin Raines who looted hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars from Fannie Mae. Those charges have been proven entirely.

McCain is 100% correct in claiming Barack Obama and Barney Frank took bribes from Fannie Mae to cover up the theft of hundreds of billions of dollars by Raines and other managers.

Scott
Dems and their supporter are enemies of the state. Seig Heil.

Clinton introduced Welfare Reform.

Farmers's Wife
Here is the irony. You have one of the most conservative administration in our history. They resist regulation and oversight, Wall Street goes wild gets in trouble and a bailout seems to be the only option. So the most conservative administration ends up taking us closer to Socialism.

That is why we need to elect moderates.

jim
what would you rather see sensible regulation before a crisis of reactive regulation after. McCain was against regulation before he was for it. This used to be called Flip-Flopping. But now that it is McCain doing the flipping and the Flopping they have a new name for it they say his position is evolving.

Lack of regulation not too much regulation caused this crisis.

Conservatives?
JMO51

Bush is not conservative. He is relatively conservative compared to Kerry and the communist party candidate Obama. What we really need is a libertarian. All conservatives are doing is slowing the country's progression towards socialism/communism. The libertarian mindset is to take a chainsaw to government not defined by the constitution. That is what we need.

JMO51, see that is where you are...
WRONG. This is not one of the most Conservative administrations in history. Reagan is the most recent conservative we have. The reason Bush won two terms is because Gore was an idiot and Kerry was, well, another idiot!

Dr. Sowell
If you think about it for a minute, I am sure you will conclude that there is no way that this type of plan can work. It effectively nationalizes the finance industry. That should tell you the whole story right there. It uses productive dollars to purchase unproductive assets at completely irrational prices. There is not enough lipstick in the world to prettify this pig. In fact, I can only think of one more effective way to inflame the crisis: Raising interest rates while increasing deficit spending on social programs, and even that I am not sure about.

There is only one way out in the long run: Productivity. But in the meantime, we can quell the crisis by ending the mark-to-market accounting requirements and loosening capital reserve and liquidity restrictions on these institutions. That doesn't sound very sexy, but we are talking about our beloved Republic here.

I urge you to exercise leadership with your tremendous knowledge and expertise and assist right-wing institutions in developing a competitor plan to Paulson's. The GOP does not like Paulson's plan and but need an alternative plan to rally around. If you do, you will be a hero and stabilize the financial system, or save the country as I like to call it. Yes, we can.

Is there a solution??
I realize that this will fall on deaf ears.

As long as we allow politicians to remain in power beyond a reasonable period, we will always have the problem of "protection of power." Most of those in positions of power in congress, both houses, have been there for decades. This provides the groundwork for corruption and malfeasance. It also allows idiots like Murtha and Peloosi to be replaced.

We now have a situation where the only offices that are subject to term limits are the president and vice president.

The Supreme Court members are there for life and are, therefore, beyond any power of the people to remove them. True they can be impeached but that has never happened and it is unlikely to ever happen.

Congressional members must stand for election every 2 or 6 years. History shows that once in power it is extremely difficult to remove them due to the need for vast sums of money to support their candidacy.

Because of the restriction of two terms for president, the second term is always a process of diminishing power, also known as lame duck.

If the presidency can be restricted to two terms why do we allow the legislature and the court to to escape that restriction?

It is my humble opinion that a limit of 15 years for a justice, a limit of 12 years for the Senate and a limit 6 terms for the House is needed. Either that or allow the presidency to have no term limits as is the current case.

How does is this a solution? It isn't, but it will make the playing field a little more fair. It will also lessen the power of position.

It's Karma
The sub prime mortgage debacle started with Bill Clinton and his congress lowering the mortgage acceptance requirements of borrowers by passing changes to the Community Reinvestment Act in 1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act). This lowered the income and verifications needed for credit worthiness for mortgage loans by creating a new class of loans, sub prime mortgages. This law was passed to remove regulations because of a mortgage loan approval disparity between whites and minorities. Loan approval rates of 72% for minorities and 89% for whites was being called evidence of racial discrimination by lenders. A Democratic social engineering of business practices was needed right away!

It's only right that the government use the taxpayer to pay for the bad loans they forced the banks to make to practice socialist business.

Lawyers
This is what you can expect when you allow lawyers to make our laws.

slipping it to us
While conservatives argue about it the leftists will revel in their division while slipping it to us all.

Taxation without representation:
I find it puzzling that three senators: Obama, McCain and Clinton can leave their elected job to campaign for another elected post. When Bob Dole ran for the presidency he retired (with tears) from the Senate because he said it wasn't fair to his constituency. Why should these people be paid a salary when they are not doing their jobs? And the government should NOT pay a salary for a job not getting accomplished. This is not fair to the citizens and state who sends them to the capitol. Where is our common sense and commitment to prudence? Let the candidates make the sacrifices NOT the country and electorate. WORK has to be done. Let's be serious about it.

Carol Crowell
Salinas, California

Sowell Isn't Telling The Whole Story?
To all Those commentators who say that Sowell is overlooking Wall St. Greed -- I imagine that Sowell would suggest that it was in their interest because government has done two things: created Fannie and Freddie who would buy risky, mortgage-backed securities without fear of failure. Secondly, politicians who claim that these financial institutions are 'too big to fail' gave an implicit guarantee. They implied a bail-out would be forthcoming because the political fall-out would be too great should these institutions fail.
One more note: mortgage-backed securities were successful in the short-term because of the financial illiteracy and laziness of the average retirement investor. If these people would have been reading the WSJ, there's no way they would have had much, if any, money in said securities.

Who will get the government OUT
The government, specifically congress, FORCED mortgage makers to make loans to unqualified people then promised that the crappy paper would be bought out by fannie and freddie. Heck, why not? write the loan, collect your fees, sell it to the government. Then, go do it again. Now, for a reward, the same buffoons want to control the REST of the economy. How is "executive pay" related to this mess? HINT: IT AIN'T. Now the government will own the mortgages directly without even the dept siblings F&F involved. Will they EVER foreclose a loan? No. They will rewrite the mortgage at better terms for lower prices and then refuse to enforce even those terms. Well, only on houses over a half million maybe, but never on their voters. Once in, who will get these clowns out? How will they be removed? Obama is the new Roosevelt who diddled the economy to near death, but had the whole country convinced he was the spittle holding it together. When I suggested in 2004 to my mom, an otherwise intelligent person that Roosevelt wasn't the solution, but part of the problem, she said What else could we do, let everybody starve?? Onmore saviour like that and the GREAT DEPRESSION is going to look like a warm up act.

CAROL, TENORE 2, WARLORD X
I paid to publish a 81 page workbook titled
"A SENIOR CITIZEN'S PRE-ELECTION WORKBOOK" that spells out the truth of your statements. If you care to check it out it is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. It is so accurate that our elected officials won't acknowledge it even when I sent them a copy. The reason is that it gives a common sense solution to the major unsolved problems carried over from the last century into this century by our PART TIME elected officials. It spells out the advantages of term limits. To each of you and Sowell keep on speaking the truth. A concerned senior citizen.


Stop the irrational behavior
It is difficult for me to listen to any of you stage a rational argument when you spend you entire day irrationally arguing in support of McCaine. Be honest about these few things and I'd be willing to have an intellectual discussion. 1.Do you really believe that Senator McCaine was referring to the American Worker when he said that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong? 2. Do you really believe that Senator McCaine selected Sarah Palin because she's the most qualified and not because she's a women? 3. Do you really believe that Senator McCaine is seeking to cancel the debate because he wants to go to Washington to handle this economic crisis and not because he's slipping in the polls and wants to reschedule the debate for the day of the Vice Presidential debate? If you can be honest and "straight talk" about these questions, I will be more than happy to continue.

Wake up
If you don't believe that both, Democrat and Republican are getting fat pockets then you're fooling yourself and are a detriment to our society. Wake up and smell the coffee. You're fighting for a party that gives you talking points to run your little self out in the streets with and distract everyone from the real issues. JOKES ON US ALL! AND ON YOU FOR CONTINUING WITH YOUR FOOLISH COMMENTS. STOP THE MADNESS! please.

Preston
Palin really was McCain's best choice, not because she is female, but because she has the conservative credentials to energize the base, and a track record as an ethics reformer, standing up to her own party.

Who else could he have picked? Lieberman or Ridge would have caused a revolt on the convention floor. Romney and Huckabee both had huge negatives that prevented their own campaigns from being successful.

And, as the great philosopher Dolly Parton once said "being pretty don't hurt none".

bailout not as bad as it seems

A signal truth here---> the "bailout" could actually make taxpayers money at the end of the day-- it depends on how they price the asset purchases... the Chrysler bailout was entirely paid back with interest, and even Mexico paid us back early and at a premium. The monster S&L/thrift bailout also turned out surprisingly well. The alternative here, however, is not acceptable. We should certainly insist on prudent oversight.

Ironically, the left CAUSED this financial crisis... all Republicans on the Finance Committee tried back in 2005 (when Amnesty John warned about it) to correct the ticking time bomb, but every 'Crat voted against it. Fannie and Freddie, ACORN, and CRA lending are all wayward and crooked tools of the social-engineering left. One reason that this pending "solution" is being fought by conservatives is that the left wants to flow further huge chunks of $ to ACORN, which is one of Hussein's babies (community organizer) that has wrought this crisis.
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