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Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
The High Cost of Racial Hype
by Thomas Sowell
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Sometimes you don't know when you are lucky. Certainly I did not consider myself lucky when I left home at seventeen and discovered the hard way that there was no great demand for a black teenage dropout with no experience and no skill.

In retrospect, however, those days of struggling to earn money to pay the room rent and buy food left little time or energy for navel-gazing over things like "identity."

All this came back to me recently when I saw a font-page story about middle-class blacks worrying about their racial identity. There, on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, was a picture of a black teenager whose mother was fixing his bow tie as he was getting dressed in a tuxedo, in preparation for a cotillion.

I never had the problem of wearing a tuxedo to a cotillion, so it was hard for me to empathize with their angst.

When I was that kid's age, I had real problems that taught me real lessons to remember when times got better, not navel-gazing problems that can distract you from reality for a lifetime.

Apparently there are middle-class blacks who spend a lot of time and energy worrying about losing their roots and losing touch with their black brothers back in the 'hood.

In one sense, it is good that there are people who think about others less fortunate than themselves. That's fine but, like most good things, it can be carried to the point where it is both ridiculous and counterproductive for all concerned.

In a world where an absolute majority of black children are born and raised in fatherless homes, where most black kids never finish high school and where the murder rate among blacks is several times the national average, surely there must be more urgent priorities than preserving a lifestyle and an identity.

During decades of researching racial and ethnic groups in countries around the world-- with special attention to those who began in poverty and then rose to prosperity-- I have yet to find one so preoccupied with tribalistic identity as to want to maintain solidarity with all members of their group, regardless of what they do or how they do it.

Any group that rises has to have norms, and that means repudiating those who violate those norms, if you are serious. Blind tribalism means letting the lowest common denominator determine the norms and the fate of the whole group.

There was a time when most blacks, like most of the Irish or the Jews, understood this common sense. But that was before the romanticizing of identity took over, beginning in the 1960s.

Back in 19th century America, the Catholic Church took on the task of changing the behavior of the poverty-stricken Irish immigrants, in order to prepare them to rise in American society. As this transformation succeeded, employers' signs that said "No Irish Need Apply" began to disappear in the 20th century.

The Jewish community likewise made many efforts to change the behavior of immigrants from Eastern Europe, to enable them to better fit into American society-- and to rise in that society.

The Urban League and other black uplift groups made similar efforts to prepare their fellow blacks to rise in American society. In fact, those efforts began to pay off in dramatic reductions in poverty among blacks, even before the civil rights laws of the 1960s.

The unanswered question is why an approach with a proven track record, not only in American society but in various other countries around the world, has been superseded by a philosophy of tribal identity over-riding issues of behavior and performance.

Part of the problem is the "multicultural" ideology that says all cultures are equally valid. It is hard even to know what that means, much less take it seriously as a guide to living in the real world.

Will time and energy spent on rap music and wearing low-riding baggy pants like guys in prison-- as badges of identity-- provide as good a future for young people as learning math, computers and the English language?

Romantic self-indulgence and self-deception are things that some people can afford when they reach the point where they can afford identity angst. But millions of other people will remain mired in poverty if they believe such notions.

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One Race = Human
One nationality = American

Period, end of story.

Great article!

I can't answer it.
"The unanswered question is why an approach with a proven track record, not only in American society but in various other countries around the world, has been superseded by a philosophy of tribal identity over-riding issues of behavior and performance."

I guess it's the same attitude that insists that Capitalism is inferior to Socialism and Communism in spite of the self evident reality.

Bill Cosby: "BRAIN DAMAGE!!!!"


Success
Well said, sir. I watch the young people come into the workplace and marvel at the very few who have a decent work ethic and desire to succeed. The overwhelming majority seem to think that they deserve to show up late three days a week, not at all the other days, and "earn" $20.00 per hour to start. This majority almost universally wears saggy pants, sports neck and hand tattoos, and speaks gutter hip hop English. The color of their skin isn't a factor. They come from every ethnic background. It is truly appalling. Of course, the few exceptions that we see who are looking for a career and are determined to succeed get ahead quickly because they learned self discipline early, set goals, and took the steps to achieve those goals. I am in the fire protection industry and many of the people I work with have no education beyond high school, still the same principles apply. Thank you, Dr. Sowell, for your insights. Keep up the good fight!, Paul

Oppressed vs. Oppressor
This is the classic situation where the oppressed try to raise their national pride by reverting back to their ancient "ROOTS". Only problem is that most Afro-Americans want to adopt the Anglo-Saxon amenities into their Afro-American heritage. You can't have it both ways. Either you go back to what your ancestors lived by, or you assimilate into the culture your in. If you adopt the habits of the Oppressor, then you become one. In order to be accepted by the Black community, you can't become successfull like the White man, you have to do it with those who live off the government, or in an anti-establishment sense.

Start by giving up your own "identity"
For those who revile so-called "identity politics" why don't you start with yourselves? Give up your "identity" as "Christian right" or "value voter" or "religious conservative."

Thank you Mr. Sowell
for being honest. I'm sure that, for a black man in America, that is a difficult task, due to the backlash from other black people. You have, though, hit the nail on the head. So, I thank you.

Racial hype
As a WASP, I have looked up to both you and Walter Williams as among the most brilliant intellects of our age. I've thought John McCain should invite you both, along with Michael Steele and J. C. Watts as an advisory group on economics and politics, to serve to defang Barack Obama.

Rense Johnson, Chairman
Citizens for term Limits

At what cost?
I once saw an interview where Dr. Sowell asks rhetorically, "At what cost do you eliminate every last vestige of racism in America?" I think his point was that such a goal is laughable on its face because it assumes perfection is possible and is thus not realistic. Yet, look at the price that has already been paid trying to achieve that very purpose.
For starters, the vast majority of black people in this country have been turned into race hunters anxiously searching for any comment or gesture that can be construed as racist. For all the talk about “selling out”, there are an awful lot of blacks selling out to the hip-hop image and grievance mongers. They are the ones that are selling out cheap if you ask me.
The smartest thing blacks could do is tell the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of America to go home, and then invest their time and efforts into pursuits that have better payoffs such as education, entrepreneurship, crime prevention, drug awareness, and (dare I say) family values.

Truth hurts
I read your post twice and it makes little sense. try to stick to one train of thought - VP picks, selling out, being a step above. GOP good, GOP bad, Black GOP pundits. What the heck are you babbling on about? It is neither sarcastic nor clever, just kind of silly.

Sowell is Great
I personally appreciate it when he discusses what the Irish went through. While there are some negatives associated with what happened to blacks in America the Irish have had over 800 years of periodic events that few (if any) ethic groups that still exist today have as a history.

For example, most Irish people were killed under Cromwell -- thousands more were sold into slavery in the Americas.

Less than 200 years later, perhaps as many as 30% of Irish died of starvation and related diseases (Ireland's population was greater in 1840 than it is today in 2008 -- where else in the world is that the case). Of course, there were many, many other injustices that occurred as well.

But, you'll never beat the Irish...no matter what you do...you can put us down and keep us out, but we'll come back again...you know we are the fighting Irish and we'll fight until the end. You know you should have known, you'll never beat the Irish.

I agree with Inzo
"Truth hurts": get a grip.

Xerxes...
.... congratulations on missing the point.

Not many of the "groups" you'd mentioned worry so much about their affiliation that they're unable to succeed in society.

High costs
A Question: How many world-class cities can a society utterly scrap every couple decades & yet expect to prosper and grow?

Having been raised in Detroit, I can attest to another cost factor -- hidden, but very real. A sister recently re-visited the old neighborhood in Detroit. Upon finding our old house for sale, she called a realtor & took a look. She sent photos which were heart-breaking. Sixty years on, the house is on the market for $500 less than my father paid for it in 1948.

Many working class families paid for black upward mobility. Not willingly. I suspect that 'racist' & 'honky' are still the preferred epithets that the black population of Detroit chooses to attach to such as us.

The 'poverty' these people are 'mired in' is of mind & spirit. They are hate-filled by choice-- and so long as the main-stream cultural 'elites' refuse to see that, and instead continue to excuse their bad behavior, then so long are they successful. Their 'tribalism' works for them. Others pay.

Courage
I want to thank Sowell for saying what has to be said in such an intelligent way, and to back up his opinions with real facts, not hype.
American blacks have paid a huge price for listening to the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons and their ilk. The rest of us have been too cowed by their name calling to say what is true. Even the great Bill Cosby was slapped with a sexual harassment suit when he tried to help blacks see the truth and realize that they have to quit being teenagers who are blaming someone else for their lack of success in life and work hard to make their own success.

Dr. Sowell
is, IMHO, one of the most intelligent and
perceptive people in America today. You
see blacks around the country who have
shunned the culture of victimhood succeeding
right alongside, and often better than, any
other ethnic group in America.
Dr. Sowell, Walter Williams, JC Watts are just
a very few who fall in that grouping, all of
whom I respect and admire a GREAT deal.

(JC Watts is a particular hero of mine, he
was our Representative in our Oklahoma
Congressional district)

TruthHurts But, Denial Wastes Lives
The GOP doesn't have "liberal white guilt" and neither do liberals. What liberals do have is an all consuming thirst for power which their idiotology affords them the flexibility of any lengths to succeed.

Obviously, if people like you are too busy hating who they point at and pretend to humble themselves before you in a feigned guilt, you're not even going to question it. So, how can I break this to you appropriately...you're being used, genius.

Let your rusty wheels turn on this new epiphany for awhile before you hide from it in more denial.

ON RACE AND LOVE, BY IVAN ERICKSON
Although there are countless people of all faiths, religions, races and ethnicities in this world of whom are not aware of this fact, there is One True God Who Lives who breathed a soul into each and every one of us when we were conceived. As I asked in my novel, "Song of the Storm Winds"; If you are a black person, would it have been any more difficult for God to have created you as a white person? And conversely,if you are a white person, would it have been any more difficult for God to have created you as a black person? Thus, each of us could possibly have been just one breathe of God away from being someone else of a different nation or ethnicity or religion or economic status, etc.
As the "storm winds" of God - His hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires, economic chaos, etc., - continue to increase exponentially in frequency and magnitude in these current times of darkness under the sun, I pray that we all very soon join together as one beloved family, to love one another as we love ourselves, and to serve God and each other as best we can. Remember, it is impossible to have God's love within us unless He first loves us and until we love God and our brothers and sisters. Those who have succeeded spiritually and materially in life are called on by God to reach back and help others to do the same.
May the Beloved Lord bless each of you and your loved ones in all things, always. Ivan Erickson, http://www.ivan-erickson.com

Dr. Sowell
has a superior mind.

Heaven, Hell & Insulting 5 Ethnic Groups
HEAVEN is where:
- the Police are British
- the Mechanics are German
- the Cooks are Italian
- the Lovers are French
- and it's all Organized by the Swiss.

HELL is where:
- the Police are German
- the Mechanics are French
- the Cooks are British
- the Lovers are Swiss
- and it's all Organized by the Italians.

Now go whip yourself for laughing at Ethnic Slurs!

Barack Obama...
...spent quite a few years gazing at his navel. Now he wants us all to gaze at our navels. Insy or outsy?

I doubt Michelle has a navel.

Paul's comment on success
Well said! It is a kind of welfare mentality that afflicts too many of our young, no matter what race they are. Bless you, Dr. Sowell.

Truth Hurts.
Well, Mr. Truth Hurts, you are right, of course. I just thought it would be nice for a Republican, Conservative, Southern person to admit that here.

See, when you are 70 years old, have done it all, have had it all, you can look back and see the truth. Everything is spin. Having spent 45 years in a public relations oriented business, certainly I know that. And yes, we knew it as we did it.

Still, I'll vote for McCain/Palin, and continue to enjoy reading Dr. Sowell's opinions -- my version of wisdom.

Anna, Micheal, Sowell
You are right, of course, we no longer require brains, education, or background to count for anything. Michael is right, everythng is spin.

Our founding fathers knew Greek, Latin, read Milton and had an education we will never see again in America. Now, all
we ask is that our candidates shop at the same stores and know how to skin a moose.

America is dead. Caribou Barbie is the poster child of that deah.

Uplifting
I have a question. Why aren't genuinely smart & honest individuals like Dr. Sowell, Dr. Walter Williams, Gen. (Retd) Colin Powell, Star Parker et al not on the "public visibility" agenda in much greater numbers?

Why do we have to put up with phonies like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Biden, Durbin and now also Wrangle?

The answer is because all the media are controlled by RATS as in DemocRATS. Throw out the rodents.

Vote for McCain-Palin 08, in Illinois vote for Sauerberg for Senate, move Self-serving Socialist Durbin OUT.

The WHY?
The answer to the “why” question is simple and it has demonstrated itself in at least two places that I can think of. Here in the U.S. you still have these urban ghettos filled with poverty and squalor because the people who derive their power from these areas need them to remain that way. Who are these great cabals of power? Why the Democrats of course. Without these great urban areas of squalor the Democrats would NEVER be elected all one needs for proof is look at the county-by-county election maps. Also, in these urban areas the degree that socialism, and indeed communism, has taken over the economy is the highest n the country. Poverty and squalor are the natural habitat and results of socialism and communism.

The other great example of a group being held down so that others can maintain their firm grip of control is the Palestinians. No other refugee group in the history of civilization has been maintained in this status so long.

So, the next time you see one of these professional race baiting blacks out there hawking some “gimme” program you know the intent and the outcome.

readyk
You post my favorite ethnic joke, although in my version, the cooks are French and the lovers are Italian. My background is German. Hardly unique. Germans have historically been the 2nd largest source of immigrants, after the British. This may change, given the Hispanic arrivals.

Vic
What baffles me is why so many black folks buy into the BS that keeps them in the mire. I do have high hopes for the kids i am teaching in a rainbow school. We are hardly in a ghetto, but its a blue collar area evenly divided among black white and latin or oriental ethnics. Scholarship and good/bad behavior seem to be quite evenly distributed.

Sowell's Truth
I think Thomas Sowell already has a bulls eye on his back. This column will place one on his chest as well.

Purveyors of voodoo are already sticking pins into his likeness. Al & Jesse are sharpening their forked tongues.

And the main stream media? They are either too ideologically tied to the race baiters or too afraid to offend them by exposing their fraudulent ways.

As long as blacks remain wedded to the victim mind set, they will remain in their actual and psychological ghetto.

Self-inflicted genocide
Then there is the issue of abortion which affects the black community more than any other. A lot of Latinos are poor, but they tend to keep their children, and they are gaining. It makes no sense for blacks to vote democrat.

Libs. gave the minority
communities the sexual revolution, so now there is a 70% illegitmacy rate and 43% of black women never expect to marry, c. 1/3 experience abortion, and HIV rages;

libs gave them the drug culture, which causes the incarceration of 1/4 of all black males under 30 sometime in their lives and is a great reason to legalize the entire drug scam, open the prisons, and reduce crime;

and the degenerated pub. school system, which is the best way for minorities or any one else to climb out of poverty and into productive, adult success;

lastly, the rock'n'roll world gave blacks rap, so it could glorfiy rich non-entities who shout lyics on gangsterism and the degradation of women, creating negative roll models and false achievement.

Surely, blacks should keep voting for the Dems./libs who have championed all of the above, as these cultural movements have done so much to improve black lives.

Pistol
This has long been a staple of the control crowd because it is simple human nature that requires a strong ethic to overcome. Human nature makes us want to take the perceived easy route in life. The biblical saying about the “road to hell being paved with gold” did not become an ancient and widespread saying for no reason. Another fine example is the “bread and circuses” of Roman days.

In order to overcome this aspect of out natures one must be raised in an environment that holds receipt of charity as “shameful”; an environment that encourages self-reliance and a work ethic. Sadly that type of environment has been declining in the U.S. since LBJ’s Great Society.

Great respect
I could not have a greater respect for Dr. Sowell. My plea is that the McCain campaign get him on their staff ASAP. They are on the wrong track with their answers to the FNMA, FMAC bailot, etc. It is NOT "greedy Wall Street" and the failure of capitalism. It is government interferencein the first place. You cannot have private enterprise if the government bailout is a promise.

Terrific article
I have said for years that had we instituted an educational system through the black churches that taught the civil responsibilities that would be required once civil rights were restored, we wouldn't be where we are today.
Instead the dems in their great benevolence created the welfare system and inculcated the idea that white society owes blacks for the past thus obtaining their vote in perpetuity and enslaving them once again.
There is a warped mind-set in the black community that Cosby addressed and was excoriated for it. He hit it when he said they'd rather buy sneakers than hooked on phonics. Any black person who holds up a mirror to the problems is a sell-out, including Dr.s Sowell and Williams, try quoting either among my black friends and they go OH, them.

Very sad.
Thanks Doc, you are the best.


The Easy Card
I have a friend who used to teach handicapped kids when they were still called handicapped -- mainly deaf children -- and she always had one or two kids who refused to obey classroom rules or pay attention in class, who would look right at her and smirk *I CANT DO THAT: I AM HANDICAPPED!* My friend would inform her (usually it was a girl) that there was absolutely nothing wrong with her brain and she could indeed follow the classroom rules. Almost every time this was a bucket of cold water over the head of the child, who had always been excused from proper behaviour standards due to an irrelevant Card.

Likewise my employer at the Education Board, who was a Black gentleman who had worked his way through Columbia when there were no sedan chairs for Black kids, removed his daughter from public school when he discovered that she was not being challenged or disciplined because *Black Children Need Our Help To Succeed.* He said that his daughter was butt-lazy and that like all teenagers she would play the Easy card if the teachers handed them out. The girl was removed to a Catholic girls school where she soon started doing honours and advanced placement work, won several scholarships, and eventually graduated from university with the highest honours and an excellnt job offer.

Finally, my own oldest child was trying to learn to stand on his head and finding it hard, and finally he exclaimed that he could not do it, because he had a learning disability! I quickly informed him that he could not do it yet because learning things takes time, and he went back to it and learned to do it.

Kids will always play the cards you deal them. Which cards they have will determine what they are.

Truth Hurts
Your colossal jewel of fallacious stupidity of a post proves the point of Dr. Sowell's entire article. It also supports most Conservatives position on the failures of the education system here in this country.

Oh, Dr. Sowell,
will they ever learn? Your common sense approach is so simple even a child could grasp it, and yet...

I guess it's true, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Of course, the reason for most of this is that the liberal socialists in America benefit by keeping the black man (and black woman) mired in poverty and entitlement thinking. If there were no poor blacks, how would the socialists sell what they are peddling?

Dictators need an enemy to get control of their subjects. Hitler used the Jews, and American Socialists use American Blacks.

What I don’t get is how ghetto living is considered a “culture.” That would be like poor white people trying to preserve a “culture” of trailer trash living. Usually when poor white folks graduate into the middle or upper class, they try to leave any evidence of their “roots” behind. They certainly don’t want everyone knowing that’s where they came from. Ghetto life is not a “culture”. It is a symptom of poverty and bad decision making that results in a wasted life. Not something that people should be celebrating. Some wise Black Americans should set out to re-make the image of “black culture” into something positive.

I remember a time when Black Americans had the strongest families of anyone in the country. The dedication of black parents to their children and the respect black children showed to their parents was enviable. And Black Christians were the best of the best. What happened to THIS black culture?

All we can do is keep telling the truth and hope that some start to listen.

Racial hype
Dr Sowell;
First let me tell you how very right you are sir.
I put in twenty years in the NYS. Correction System as a Correction Officer.
I saw the back side of many young men doing the two-step (take two steps and pull up your pants)
There seemed to me that the system was doing none of them any favors. Hence the recitation rate was in the ninety percent. I was literally helpless, watching an entire generation of young men go down the drain.The children of a lot of those men that I had watch on visiting days, came there to live in the same cell blocks that their fathers had lived in. I would often be overlooked for positions given to men who were "Afro American"simply on the fact that they were needed to fill a quota that was set up by the ACLU. Some of these men were qualified, most were not.
Instead of helping the population to rise above their inadequacies, they simply added to them.If I were to address these conditions, I found myself labeled a racist.
The real problem though wasn't whatever label they put on me,it was the fact that they threw an entire generation down the drain to further their own agenda.
Please keep up the good work that you so accurately do.

There is no one so blind as ...
Dr. Soweel: Perhaps the answer is in the following: "There is no one so blind as those who will not see!" If that is the cause of the problem you describe, then the solution is to address this cause! But how do you get blind (or blinded) people to really see? I have no idea!

New meaning to Identity Crisis
Mr. Sowell hits another home run. His eloquence, sophistication, honor and intelligence yet again shines through.

While his focus is on blacks in this country (and rightly so), his statements in this article can be applied to other groups. In fact, all groups can benefit from this wise man's words. In an era where his 'type' was not considered productive members of society, he did not allow that mindset to stand in his way. That alone garners respect. He is NOT an "Uncle Tom" or "white wannabe" or any other stupid label like that. His label, like mine, is simply American. Nothing more and definitely nothing less. He sees no need to hyphenate who he is. His culture is American. He values American principles, values and is loyal to this country. He accepts ALL Americans regardless of skin color because they share in these beliefs. Because of this shared loyalty, he is one of MY people. I will stand by him through thick and thin because he has earned my respect.

The only "identity" we all need in this country is simply American.

What Happened to Assimilation
Excellent article Mr. Sowell. Many of the problems we face as a society stems from the fact that blacks and hispanics have been enabled in their quest for poverty by being made the victim while the rest of society has been told to include them. Inclusion doesn't work. If you want to be a successful part of any group you assimilate. My grandparents were Italian immigrants. They came here to better themselves and they assimilated by learning English and trying to emulate the American way. They were discriminated against many times. They raised 7 kids. All born here. All college educated. We their grandchildren and great grandchildren continue some of the Italian customs they passed down over the years but we remain proud patriotic Americans while continuing to be proud of our Italian heritage.
Connie
NY

Identity
The person that goes along with the crowd will get no further than the crowd.

Tibby

it is true
It is true that Black people like Mr Sowell on the right have no Identity; so they think. I bet they have an identity when they walk into certent businesses.

The signs of NO Irish need apply came down, because as the generations of Irish born Americans came along, they were no longer Irish, but white Americans.Not that they gave up their Irish identity. Sorry but my skin color alone shows my identity even as I, the sixth generation of my family in America progressed.

Seeking Identity
There no more a ridiculus notion than that of a Christian seeking his/her identity in anything other than Christ Jesus.

"For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." Colossian 3:3

So many times I have seen, what amounts to the type of tribal identity Mr. Sowell refers to here, trumph many Black Christians identity with the Lord of Glory. Not so many go as far as adherence to a "Black Liberation Theology", but it is a strong pull none the less. Many Black ministers promote such divided loyalties among their congregates.

I know that the focus of Mr. Sowell's article wasn't Black Christians, but I believe that if the Church would put more an emphasis on being a Christian over being Black, the larger Black community would follow suit. The Church has to lead the way.


It's all about control and power
This identity BS is just one more wedge between success and controlling those same individuals.

If you are a 'slave' to this identity madness then you will not be a success...unless you become part of the problem like Obama.

Identity
Before MLK took God out of church and replaced the Gospel with Politics, black church-goers didn't mix with the juke joint goers. As soon as what was going on in the juke joint became mixed with what was going on in church, their culture foundered. It will never succeed again until they put down their "Tribal" idols and return to God.

Sowell is no socialogist
On principla Sowell is correct. But there is a little bit of a difference between the Black experience and the experience of other minorities and that is slavery. Slavery took from these African's their culture and their traditions and left them with a culture which had historically treated them as an inferior creature and backed that up with scripture or at least ignored the potions of scriture which contradicted their awful behavior toward's their fellow human. Because of Jim Crow this ended in the 1960's. Nearly 100 years after the end of slavery.

West Indian Blacks don't have this identify problem thought if you go back long enough their ancestors were slaves as well.

Sowell is right to point our that sometimes Middle Class Blacks want to indenify with the worst rather than the best and people like Cosby and Juan Williams are important voices in this debate. I just think it is too simplistic to just with a sarcastic tone dismiss this and say to blacks why can't you just be like everyone else.


T
"Blind tribalism means letting the lowest common denominator determine the norms and the fate of the whole group."

Dr. Sowell is, of course, correct. This is what socialism does; it focus on the lowest common denominator and restrict the most successful. It's no wonder that the Democratic party victim mentality, socialism and tribalism are all bound up into one whole.

JMO51
When is it enough? I don't know anyone personally who was a slave or owned a slave.

What is so important about maintaining a culture to that into which you were not born?

My ancestry is German/English/French. I don't feel I got cheated out of learning how to do German Folk dances, or any of the English or French cultural norms.

I am an American. Anyone born here is an American. We should all thank God for his extraordinary grace that he placed us here instead of being born into an oppresive, poverty-striken, or otherwise inferior nation that doesn't allow freedom for the people.

I am not being sarcastic when I ask "Why can't you be like everyone else?"

We all have our individual identity. Our group identity should be AMERICAN. Freedom-loving, innovative, adventurous, patriotic, AMERICANS.

Life is a hill: get over it.

Working to be Equal.
I am half Italian and half Polish. My last name and dark hair and skin dominates. When I went to grammar school on the East Coast in the 40's, there was the intelligent side of the classroom (presumed if your name was Irish, Swedish, German, etc.) and then there was the "dumb" side of the classroom which included Italians and any blacks.

I was aware of it but somehow it just made me more determined. Before 3 months was up, I was always in the 1st row. Carl (our "token" black) however, remained in the last seat in the last row. Reading your article, I thought about him today and hope that he got better treatment in life than that classroom.

How do I remember even his name...he was the only kid in the class, including all the boys, who could run faster than I could. He proved that to me one day during a PE organized by the teacher. At the finish line, where he had beaten me by one foot, he turned and shook my hand. He gave every boy in that class their dignity back.

Great article!

Survival of the Fittest
It is interesting that different 'groups' use different methods to achieve their 'survival'. A lot depends on whether a 'group' lives and stays in one place or if a 'group' their entire lives. A 'group' that splits into separate smaller numbers and then travels and populates other areas world wide, will make every effort to 'survive'.
Seems to me, as it is in the animal kingdom, dominance or force is the underlying factor for 'survival' of the 'fittest'.
The United States is losing it's dominance and if the liberals have their way, we will also lose our Military Force.
And we will NOT survive.

Uncle Tom
No wonder many blacks call Dr. Sowell an Uncle Tom. Why,he doesn't even make excuses for failure like the other successful minorities do! He is not 'one of them'.

Many teens and young blacks fail because they are idle. There was a time when teens worked after school and summers to help make a living. Hard work that made them too tired to walk the streets at night looking for trouble.

The government is now the parent. The parent is absent,but does replace the work ethic. Free rent,health care,foodstamps,free breakfasts and lunches at school and any number of handouts. This parent demands nothing in return.

Now we allow illegals to do the work our own young people could do and employers pay them to work. Now we propose to give them the same handouts as we do our own. Is it any wonder we are ALL in trouble?

One Race
Mr. Sowell;
African American children (and their parents) should be exposed to this level of intellectual enlightenment at an early age, though I do not know how this would be accomplished. I live in Plano, TX, where my 11-year old child's best friend is black. They attend the same school (65% white, 5% Latino, 5% Asian and 25% black), they study together, they play together, they spend time in each other's homes, and they influence each other in very meaningful and profound ways. I just wish this model could be more pervasive in our society.

These two incredibly smart and aware kids are truly color-blind, and we intend to do everything in our power to keep it that way. Your brilliant words and intellect are a good place to start.

Katrinna
AT least you labeled your post correctly. HATE it is. So sorry you feel that way. Hate is a terrible emotion to cling to.

It's obvious to me that you've never traveled or lived outside of the USA. That's too bad, because it might give you some perspective about what a great nation we have here. Perfect we are not, but I would not choose to live anywhere else.

I would say, if you are not proud to be an American, perhaps you might exercise your freedom to choose and leave.

The Cookie Cutter Society vs Rebellion..
Dr. Sowell seems to think that all young people, especially young black men should give up whatever it is about them that is unique and
assimilate to anglo viewpoints of what success and imagery is in america. His is a "cookie cutter" world where assimilation really means "acting white".. there is no ethnicity.

In this "cookie cutter" world everyone is pretty much the same. we are generic "americans" with the same generic "american dream". we all are raised in two parent homes..we graduate from high school and college..then you get a job, get married buy a home raise, a family and live happily ever after into retirement and death.

Sure there is nothing wrong with that vision accept this is not a "cookie cutter world"
people are different..american is a melting pot
of all kinds of ethnicity and people are proud of their heritage..why should the forget about it in an effort to assimilate into the "american dream"? that's ridiculous. one CAN achieve financial well being in the u.s. while still maintaining their heritage.

Young people have rebelled against the status quo of society since forever..it just isnt in the black oriented "hip-hop movement"..you got the "rockers", the "head bangers", the "hippies"
and the "goth" movements among whites..in the arts you got the "avant garde" & "modernist" movements...you have the genius of "jazz music"..."classical third stream music"

no mr sowell this isnt a cookie cutter world.
everyone doesnt fit into the same mold. that diversity and heritage is what makes america
great.

Sowells identity article.
Words given to an obvious problem throughout America. In south Florida it is evident that the latin Tribe is maintaining its cohesiveness for purely political purposes. It works well for the pioneers of this philosophy, but ultimately has the same result. Separation and limits on the education of the participants. Left to itself, it leads to exclusiveness and radicalism. But, as is evident throughout the planet earth, the pendulum is swinging in this direction.

To Katrinna and JMO51
Katrinna - huh? Oh wait, you just substantiated what Sowell was impressing through his article. I hope you understand my big words.

JMO51 - so only blacks in America were slaves. Really? Jews weren't slaves to the Egyptians and Germans? Mestizo Indians weren't slaves to the Aztecs? North Britian indeginous peoples weren't slaves to the Vikings or the Romans? That is the problem, elitist leftist whites keep telling blacks in America that the short period of slavery in the US is the only time slavery has existed. By the way, it was evangelical Christians who led the way for an end to slavery within Great Britian and the United States. The same evangelical Christians that didn't support southern Democrats, who iniated the hatred against the black community. And, the same evangelical Christians who support Palin today.

The High Cost of Racial Hype
Being white, having been born in Africa, and having immigrated to the U.S. in my early teens Dr. Sowell’s article really resonated with me. Skin color was never a problem with me, in fact I found it exotic and pleasant, but it was all about behaviors of that class that precluded them from benefiting in the affluent society they came in contact with. Tribal affinity that clashed directly with that society’s values and regulatory system was the core problem. Those values are what make it successful. And I do not look down at the cultural aspects of class; in fact, I find it enriching in most circumstances that does not entail violating the wellbeing of others. I cherish my own cultural heritage but job #1 when my parents immigrated (legally, thank you!) was to assimilate and not stand out. We still celebrated our heritage at home but did not “wear it on our lapels” so to speak. I went from speaking two words of English to being at the head of the class in the subject within a year being in school. I went on to carve out my destiny that most law abiding and hard working folks can aspire to. Whiners, of course, need not apply. So, thank you Dr. Sowell for getting to the kernel of truth that is the major obstacle to success.

Katrinna, please....
I see you're from Michigan. I would bet that you are from my former hometown of Detroit, a gleaming jewel downtown, surrounded by filth and apathy and people who still think "the man" owes them something after 40 years of black control and government of that city. A black mayor and black city council for the pat 40 years! Our mayor is going to jail (finally!) next week, and most of the city council has prompted the Feds to come in and poke around city contracts. And Katrinna, by your writing, I'd guess you're a product of Detroit Public Schools, mired in corruption and incompetence and graduating only approx. 35% of its students. Katrinna, you are the hater here.

Poor little Katrinna-
In her screaming all-caps diatribe, complete with childish name-calling, blatant historical ignorance and poor grammar, she succinctly illustrates why so many blacks are mired in poverty, why they're jobless, ambition-free, poorly educated, and wallowing in self-pity. Hate is an unproductive and corrosive emotion. What is Ms. Katrinna doing to better herself, besides whine and pout, blaming whitey for her own failure? What is she doing to help her fellow blacks, besides claiming that whitey must pay - and pay and pay, so they can all sit around and wait for the government to make it all better?
Here's my question: How many generations of blacks do we have to treat like idiot children, before we can expect them to grow up and act like responsible adults? (In fact, it's demonstrable that the generations prior to Katrinna's and her mama's, DID have more pride in personal achievement, in responsibility for themselves and their families. Most families had two parents, most parents knew where their kids were and what they were up to, most families expected their kids to contribute to the family well-being, and most cared that those kids went to school, were clean, well-behaved, and brought honor to their families. Now less than half can answer any of those questions in the positive.) Latter-twentieth-century whitey, in misguided, Democrat-fueled guilt, has made Katrinna the failure she obviously is.

No wonder poor Katrinna is so full of hate and vitriol. She has had her self-respect stolen by a nanny-government who require that she do nothing to earn it. Nostra culpa. Nostra maxima culpa.

An interesting analysis...
...of race, Barack Obama, and the election is on today. Here's the link (geez, I wish TH would allow just some simple HTML tags...):

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDVkYWFmN2RhYmVlOD FjMzkxZTZkMWM4N2M2YTVlMGY=

Didn't Sowell compare Barack Obama to
Hitler yesterday?


Sowell is a first-class jerk who continues to cross the lines of decency.

Unique Black Men
A poster,Left Angle, reminds us that many black men are unique. What does that mean,exactly? Is it unique to be a sperm donor to mutiple girls who deliver multiple children for the taxpayer to see they are fed,clothed and otherwise seen to?

Is it unique for young blacks to run with gangs terrorising their own neighbors? Drive-by shootings is the norm in many cities,killing innocent people.

Is it unique for young blacks to drop out of school because mama can't force them to attend and if they do,they disrupt others who go to learn?

Is it unique for young blacks to walk the streets and shops with their pants down around their ankles with their butts showing? Not to mention the gutter language they use for shock value.

I would not call it unique. I would call it poor upbringing. The government can do many good things for minorities ; being a good parent is not one of those things.

Left Angle

As usual you miss the point.

Assimilation of diversity is what makes America great - NOT diversity.

Diversity does NOT = unity.

JMO51 question for you?

Are you black?

Katrinna question for you?

Were you a slave?

The most Unique mind &"Man " in America
I am NO longer ever going to say again .This is the best Thomas Sowell article I have ever read .... simply because I have said it about him ever since I started reading his many Books , articles and opinions on everything that is possible about 11 years ago .
What is even sadder is I have never met any (not one )Black man or Women no matter what their Church affiliations , education level or age who had ever read or heard of this incredible man until I presented them with his thoughts . They were all amazed and shocked !
[AND ] I ask as many as Blacks about Thomas Sowell every time I get the chance because of my own admiration , respect for this very rare and unique man . There are few minds in America or the world living with his total awareness of mind and always seeing the far bigger picture without predigest , bias or agenda laden .He wants what is better for all Americans as well as all Black Americans since .... well he is one .
What I did find out was many of the so called Black Leaders ,Groups , NAACP , Black Caucus , Black Politicians and Entertainers don't care for Thomas Sowells Thoughts or Books at all . As well as for Bill Cosby , Judge Clarence Thomas Shelby and Michael Steele and Ms C. Rice .
The comparison is well educated White Leftist Feminist don't like a White well educated Feminist like Sarah Palin for the exact same reasons .
But Why ? Simply because "True Success"in life has no values unless your are a Social Liberal of any Color , Nationality or Race obviously .

will Congratulations!

You didn't mention homosexuality even once.


Hey Town Hall
Why was Katrinna's original post removed? You need to leave it here as a reminder of the victi-crat attitude pervasive in today's urban society.

Will
Will writes: "Didn't Sowell compare Barack Obama to Hitler yesterday? Sowell is a first-class jerk who continues to cross the lines of decency."

Will, I'm sure all of the posters here at Town Hall will join me in thanking you for your insightful analysis and commentary. With your eloquence, you have added much to the debate. Much in the way my cat adds to the decor of my living room when she coughs up a hairball.

To take your scholarly essay point by point:

1.) No, Dr. Sowell did not compare The Chosen One with Hitler yesterday, he compared the reaction and attitudes of the crowds that attend his speeches to the adoring crowds that attended Der Fuehrer's speeches. And the analogy is appropriate. There's an almost religious fervor attending both crowds. Surely even you can see that.

2.) To rebut the "first-class jerk" allegation, well, one word: projection.

Another great and
truthful column Dr. Sowell. In the cubical next to mine is a beautiful intelligent black women her children's names are Ian and Angelique - I can understand the names and even spell them. She is fabulous to work with a hard worker and a very personnable person. I am going to show her your column - she will totally agree with it. Mrs. Paddy and Monique are right - we are AMERICANS!! Mrs. Paddy wrote almost exactly what I was going to say. To those in Michigan - so am I - IN DETROIT. Yes THIS administration has failed this city - did not matter if they were black or white. I have hope for this city which COULD be great. It saddens me everyday when I drive here from the suburbs that I work in the most impoverished city in the USA. Dr. Sowell, Detroit is FULL of the kind of black people you are talking about - hanging with the tribe is of utmost importance to them - that is one reason Detroit is what it is.

White slavery?
Poor Katrinna- your historical ignorance is showing that you were cheated in those wonderful Michigan schools.

Slavery has been a part of most societies in the world, for most of recorded history, and is not completely gone today. Most of today's slave owners are African, and slavery is prevalent and brutal in places like Somalia. Not all of their captives are black.

In fact, this nation was founded in large part by European (that's 'white') people who were indentured, who were 'owned' by and worked for wealthy folk who paid their way to these shores. Most, but not all, eventually earned their freedom, and they- or their children- went on to build successful independent lives in a free nation. Not free of prejudice, not free of class structure, not free of risk or hardship, but free to make something of themselves by honest hard work and ambition.

Yes, there were white slaves. There were slave raids into the 1800s on the southern coast of England by Africans, tripolitan pirates, and the U.S. fought two small wars under Jefferson to protect American (white) seamen from being enslaved by those North Africans.

Those captives who lived, who escaped, got over it. Don't you think it's time YOU got over it, Katrinna?



Katrina
Yes, there were white slaves. My ancestors sold themselves into slavery for 14 years or more in order to pay for their boat ride to America in the late 1600's to early 1700's. So learn some history.

Hey, left angle
and other liberals trying to shoot down Dr. Sowell and support the worst behavior of blacks! Reread your own submissions and look at how humorous and yet sad that any criticism of the black "so-called" culture is defended. Look, folks, for most of us here unless we just came over on the boat or under the fence, we are a mixture of traits and culture reflecting many different peoples who make up this country. Why, some of us even like jazz,the blues and gospel and we aren't even black.

You defenders, it seems to me, are like too many liberals, well meaning, but through the ages have actually held blacks back from advancement.

The Genius of Sowell
I don't need to tell anyone, including Dr. Sowell himself, that he is a genius. But I will. I don't want to risk sounding like a sycophant - that is reserved for the Obama idolators. But I will. Fred Barnes called Dr. Sowell a "national treasure." I call him the Socrates/Plato/Aristotle of our time. His intellect is not of this world. Bravo, once again, Dr. Sowell. You do God's work. At 78 years young, I hope you live another 78. This world is truly a better place because you're in it.

cabbobby
I am a white male, who by circumstance have spent 35 of my 54 years in cultures where my skin colour singled me out as a minority. Add to this the fact that being a child of US born parents, I was an insignificant and not well regarded minority within my skin colour group. I have had to learn 4 languages and cultures, study nights when my "peers" were out having a good time, offer lower prices for my goods and services in order to win orders and spend days and weeks away from my family in order to put food on the table and create a future for my family.
I am currently in a country where US citizens are not well like, but do due 30 years of hard graft have won a amjor contract where I was the highest bidder!!!!!!!
Get over yourself, let morons who judge you for being whatever colour you are continue to be morons and concentrate on what YOU can do, not what others think.

interesting subject
There's a different way of looking at this sort of thing. For jews, persecution was so strong at defining the group for so long, that in America, with much less persecution, came much higher levels of assimilation. For middle-class blacks, it might be a similar thing.

Rowly/loco/ r. geek: a response...
rowly:

so your saying young white men are not involved in the same type of activities and behaviours?
yeah all young white men are model citizens..

you gotta be kiddin...lmao

loco:

i get the distinct impression that you think the majority of black people are poor live in the ghetto and are on welfare...you need to stop buying into sterotypes. I'm not trying to shoot down Dr. Sowell, he just has a different
viewpoint I disagree with.


r. geek:

assimilation doesnt mean divesting your ethnic heritage although you seem to think so. one can achieve financial well being without doing so.
that is a fact, jack. lol

left angle
You are going way off the plantation in assuming I think most black people live in the ghetto and live on welfare. Where did you ever get that notion from what I wrote? And by the way, I am a social worker with a master's degree and over 40 years of experience with all colors and cultures.

So much for the credibility of comments by Left Angle.

Left Angle: A response
"so your saying young white men are not involved in the same type of activities and behaviors?"

They sure are, but not as some backward 'culture' they expect to be respected. when their choices & behavior relegates them to a lower socioeconomic status, they have no 'racism' to blame.

"i get the distinct impression that you think the majority of black people are poor live in the ghetto and are on welfare...you need to stop buying into sterotypes."

Some stereotype. It's destroyed Detroit, Camden, and large parts of Philly, Baltimore and cities large & small nationwide.

"assimilation doesnt mean divesting your ethnic heritage . one can achieve financial well being without doing so."

Then be prepared to start your own business and employ yourself. If you want to talk / act / and comport yourself in a way I can't use, I won't employ you. That is a fact, Jack.

Racial america
Thomas; I remember when I was a boy in NYC. I tried to get a job as a waiter in a restaurant. When I filled out the application, I wrote down that I was born in the Philippines. Hey, that means that you're a filipino?, says the owner. Yeah, I guess I am! says I. You have to be an Italian or a Frenchman. Filipinos belong in the back as a dishwasher. Waiters make more money in tips, says I. No thanks. I went to work for myself as a golf caddy. Made a hell of a lot more money than the waiters. That's how I've lived my life. "You don't want my peaches, don't shake my tree" I've been very successfull all my life with this attitude.

Identity
Thank you, Mr. Sowell, for such a profound piece. It is so true. Part of my identity is that I am a middle-aged female, but that does not really decide how I will act each day. We have had blacks as high-level executives in the federal government for years, but you still hear about how blacks need help. My personal opinion is that the loss of Martin Luther King, Jr. was a big loss for us all, as he was not advocating affirmative action and things like that. I just don't see that the main mouthpieces of today, like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have the same vision that Dr. King had. After he was no longer with us, his vision got lost by others who did not fully comprehend his vision.

Hey Left Angle....
Re: "behaviours"

So... are you Canadian or British -- or do you just not know how to spell?

The Retired Geek writes,
"will Congratulations!
You didn't mention homosexuality even once"

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Geek.

Gay! (BOO!)


As I've told you in the past, when you are FINALLY ready to kick down your closet door, Townhall has a large thriving gay community that will assisst you readjusting to your new life.


We are like that. We help our own. Just as others have helped us. We GAY it forward...


Katrinna
Your atrocious grammar, spelling and inaccuracies identify you as one of the butt lazy people that have been identified by AudiR10 so eloquently ( thank you Audi, I always enjoy you opinions) Katrinna, go back to school and let the adults converse.

Xerxes? Really?
"Date: Sep 17, 2008 - 1:10 AM EST Subject: Start by giving up your own "identity"
For those who revile so-called "identity politics" why don't you start with yourselves? Give up your "identity" as "Christian right" or "value voter" or "religious conservative.""

The only identity I have that means anything is plain Christian, as in follower of Christ.

Now, about your handle and delusions of grandeur...

'According to the Greek historian Herodotus, Xerxes' first attempt to bridge the Hellespont ended in failure when a storm destroyed the flax and papyrus bridge; Xerxes ordered the Hellespont (the strait itself) whipped three hundred times and had fetters thrown into the water.' (Wiki)

Sounds like something a liberal would do - flog the water when the bridge fails!

rowly: another thing...
in speaking of rebellion, if you actually read what i was saying, it most definitely extends to the behavior of young whites which you seem to excuse.

you got the punkers/rockers running around in multi colored hues of hair colors and spike hair cuts like the statue of liberty..they play their music extra loud...their lyrics speal of "anarchy" and down with the "system" some are even "pro-white skinheads/nazi's" drug/alcohol abuse are rampant as is premarital sex.

you got the "GOTH" dressed in black with matching makeup...looking like something out ot a horror movie...extra loud depressing music and lyics predicting doom..drug and alcohol abuse are rampant as is premarital sex.

you got your RAVE movement where "designer drugs, alcohol and premarital sex are all present for mostly suburburn white kids while their parents are away and hidden warehouses...

I guess to you all of this is just a "phase"
they are goin thru?


walker ny: a response
you said:

They sure are, but not as some backward 'culture' they expect to be respected. when their choices & behavior relegates them to a lower socioeconomic status, they have no 'racism' to blame.Then be prepared to start your own business and employ yourself. If you want to talk / act / and comport yourself in a way I can't use, I won't employ you. That is a fact, Jack."

Oh really, or does that bigoted viewpoint apply equally to the skinheads, rockers/punkers and the goth? or is it just relegated to the black, hispanic wigger crowd?

Truth Hurts
is obviously either a past or current user of enormous quantities of drugs.

Leftist Angle
"Oh really, or does that bigoted viewpoint apply equally to the skinheads, rockers/punkers and the goth?"

In my opinion, it most certainly does. By the way, after your racist remarks about Dr. Sowell yesterday, I don't think you have any business calling ANYONE a bigot.

Leftist Angle
"I'm not trying to shoot down Dr. Sowell, he just has a differen viewpoint I disagree with."

Then why did you call him "Uncle Thomas" yesterday?

Left Angle
It does apply equally to anyone who doesn't dress, act and speak in a professional manner.
In the passage you refer to I AM referring to White people. I note that white people who decide to follow some lame culture, be it Goth or "wigger", drugs, having babies out of wedlock, whatever, MAY by their choices and actions relegate themselves to a lower socioeconomic status. But they will have no race card to pull and blame 'bigots'.

"Subject: walker ny: a response
you said:
Oh really, or does that bigoted viewpoint apply equally to the skinheads, rockers/punkers and the goth? or is it just relegated to the black, hispanic wigger crowd?
----------------------------------------------

They sure are, but not as some backward 'culture' they expect to be respected. when their choices & behavior relegates them to a lower socioeconomic status, they have no 'racism' to blame.Then be prepared to start your own business and employ yourself. If you want to talk / act / and comport yourself in a way I can't use, I won't employ you. That is a fact, Jack.""


Dr Sowell
Such a great mind! I'm white, blue eyed and blonde before becoming gray ... but have roots from American Indians, Wales and English. I think the American Indian can relate to persecution as can the black, Irish, Jew, etc. There are probably very few of us, if we dig deep enough and far back enough, that haven't come from roots that have been abused, defiled or otherwise mistreated or have had acts of prejudice waged against. Will this country ever come to the full realization that we are indeed the most blessed, the most free and the most wealthy. When will people rise up and speak? Obama is playing to ignorance, insecurity and of course the entitlement side of our society! As Dr Sowell wrote yesterday with the comparison to Hitler, it's as if we want to follow someone that can tell us all the things we want to hear and believe that they will someday come true and blindly, numbly follow the rhetoric without having to think for ourselves, it's frightening. We need to become "American's" again, as we were after WWII and on 9/12/01! We need to feel proud of this nation again and we need to look back at the roots of this great nation and love her and honor her and praise God as our forebears did and not be ashamed of it, we need to truly become One Nation Under God Again!!!

Katrinna & Slavery
Blacks have been brainwashed by liberals, race baiters and a real mediocre education system into believing they are the only people who have ever been slaves.

They are only the LAST race to be enslaved, and the history of White owning Black slaves is a very short blip of time history wise. Most Black slaves were held by Blacks in Africas long, pre-White period.

Slavery goes as far back as their is history. The old testament speaks of slaves, those were White. The Spartans had the Helots (White). The Balkans (White)was used by Europe as late as the 1600's for slaves, until Africa proved an easier source.

Captain John Smith of early US History (likely not taught in Katrinna's school) was a soldier captured and enslaved in the Balkans. He killed his master to get free.

I doubt this will ever be taught well in school, it would undermine one of the coveted tenets of the Race Baiters, and would lead to more Blacks stop wallowing in race self pity and move on. The Democratic Party can't have that happen.

Nice try left angle
Unfortunately for you your argument is not revelavant to Mr. Sowell's piece. When you mention the "goths","punks", etc... what you fail to realize is these groups are often very inclusive and are angst or cause identity driven. You can make all the excuses you want for Rap music, music videos, and movies promoting the "thug" lifestyle, guns, violence, drug dealing, and pimping, however... the truth remains that this thug identity is seen as cool. While white kids do attempt to mimic this lifestyle, it is far more detrimental to black youths who may see the as an actual identity of their culture. No, this is not a "cookie cutter" society but where does the violence, poverty, and crime against others fit in to any stable society as cultural identity.

Not limited to one group
There are people of every ethnicity who have the same basic problem: they wait for the same people they blame for their problems to solve their problems. When everyone from presidential candidates on down tells you the problem is systemic, you start to believe it.

What did Katrinna say?
Can someone enlighten me on what this Katrinna that so many of you have taken on in your posts said in her submission to this thread? Unless I'm overlooking something, I've searched and searched and can't find anything on this thread from a poster named Katrinna. Therefore, I'm assuming that someone must have flagged her post as offensive and subsequently it was taken off this thread. If her post is still on this thread, can someone tell me what time it was posted? If it's no longer on this thread, can someone tell me what she said?

Mrs. Paddy
I think you are missing my point it is not vioimization that I am subscibing to or some suggestion that there is a debt to be repaid. I am simply suggesting that Blacks in this country have not had the time to create a unique culture to replace the one that was taken away from them as slaves and so the culture of the Hood and the cotillion opposites. As you point out you have a heritage that you are away of that traces back before this country was founded. Also for the longest time our education system in this country tended to downgrade the accomplishment of both women and non-whites, and non-europeans.

So they don't have that American Heritage and identification. Black middle class kids apire to the same things that your kids, but they struggle with self-identification.

Barak Obama, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and Yes Clarence Thomas (Though I personally despise the man) are all positive role models.

Time will heal this and not much time has really passed when you consider that within my lifetime there were parts of this country where a black person could not drink from a public fountain, sit in a good seat in a movie theater, attend a state college or rent a room at a hotel.

Are there people who will not vote for Barak Obama because he is black? I would hope not but I fear there are many.

We have come a long way, but we have a way to go and culture is a lagging indicator.

Retired Geek
Is it relevent? If what I am saying is true or not true does it matter who I am. But since you asked, I am not. I am old and gray and a bit of geek, kind of like you.

buck
I respect you credo. don't whine about the unfairness of life get up and get going.

But at the same time does your sense of injustice guide you to elect leaders who will help to change a culture of bigoty with laws against descrimination in employment?

We have come a long way in this country and most people are not bigots, but anti-descrimination laws have helped.

Chachalach
Yes, it was religious people who opposed slavery but they came from a more liberal religious tradition. Christian Conservatives have a terrible record in this area. Many of the white churches promoted seggregation and used scripture to back it up. (Slavery in the bible)

There were certainly expections, but had the leaders of these churches spoken out and joined hands in solidarity with the civil rights movement perhaps the changes would have happened sooner and with less violence. The saying that the most seggreated time today is Sunday morning is sadly still true.


readyk
That was hysterical! I sent it on to all my kids and best friends.

Too bad there wasn't a place for the Irish and the Poles. And I'm not so sure that all Italians fit into the organization funny. Consider the Mafia.

I am half Italian and Half Polish with some Greek, German and Russian mixed in along the way. My mom use to tease me about being Heinz57.

Rowly, GA
MAN you are one tough, angry person. Dr. Sowell is a "national treasure" and it's because he progressed from the "uncle Tom" mentality into a real human with firm opinions of what's right and wrong. It's living with others and not inside yourself and trying to rise above what you hear on the streets that makes you "unique" which is what Dr. Sowell is.
You won't accept that the environment you grow up in makes you what you are. Of all the things in america I find disturbing are phrases like "to be black in america". Obama attended a church that told every black white indian, chinese person who attended their services you are being kept down by the man...the kkk of america, the mantra goes on and on and what happens?participants on that type of sermon begin to believe the "slave mentality" is the norm. No one teaches forgiveness even when America has made more than Africa to recognize the rights of their american citizens of african descent. Yet you propose there is a debt to be paid. It's been a long time since Americans owned slaves. And some feel there is a debt to be paid, amendments to be made. oh, let's not forget that when Obama mentioned parental responsibility in the black community this brought angry, even violent critism from Rev Jackson...which is the same reaction Mr. Crosby got. Enough!

Great article.
No surprise that this is the way Sowell thinks; one can read anything he writes and see that he believes in having a strong work ethic, civil behavior, respectful behavior towards all, a do-it-yourself-if-you-want-it-done-right mentality, and that he abhors groupspeak and victimhood (whether it's foisted upon one or assumed by them).

As to history, one should learn from it. How many people are aware that American Indians also had black slaves in America's "plantation days"? Guess you can't learn from it when 'gubbment' schools aren't teaching it. Guess they aren't teaching spelling either: "Mr. NO it all".

A hard working, but relatively poor black man told me years ago that Jessee Jackson and his ilk are "poverty pimps". I think he said it all.


JMO51
Why do Blacks need a "Unique Culture?"


The high cost of social hype
Is Mr. Sowell representative of a new African American middle class way of thinking? Barack Obama has also been criticized recently for "talking down to people" when he suggested that 75% of AA´s families did not have a father and it was a shame.
I agree with both of them (Sowel and Barack): respect is something you gain when you behave well.

Goes for the Rednecks, too
Stuck on stupid is universal. It knows no color and it's rampant in today's young white American culture. By subsidizing the bad behavior with toys and time-consuming but idle activities, we're enabling an entire generation of failures.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

Caribou Barbie?
But what about 'GQ Obama-Ken'?
And BTW, when I look at Obama, I do not see color. I see a politician. You know, that disgusting breed consumed with self-love and a driven ambition for power. They come in all colors, shapes and sizes.

As for Sowell, man is on target. If more people carried themselves with this level of common sense, the world would be a much better place.

Now I'm off to the toy store to pick up a G.I. John!

QUIT SUCKING THUMBS.
I was hoping McCain would have JC Watts as VP - but I am very happy about Palin. You put JC Watts on the pres ticket and he will have my conservative vote. It's not race, it's policy and beliefs.

Reparations? Debt to be Paid? By Whom?

Check this out:

"...no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold
trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements,
Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax
Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the
mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated
their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and
nursing homes for blacks..." - Pat Buchanan

Mrs Pad
Irish-American
Jewish- American
German-American
Greek-American

We have many groups that take pride and draw strenths from their cultural traditions. Those traditions often help guide positive behaviors. I think it is a good thing and I think Blacks lack that they don't know where they come from and their traditions are not centuries old.

Do you identify with your Eurpean traditions or do you see yourself as a plain generic American? When you think about American History do you envision people who look like you?


Don't forget, the Italians taught the
French how to cook real food and stop eating with their fingers and wiping their mouths on their sleeves.

"The crucial event was the arrival of Catherine de Médicis in France in the 16th century. The great-granddaughter of Lorenzo the Magnificent, Catherine married the young man who later was to become Henry II of France. She brought with her a retinue of Florentine cooks who were schooled in the subtleties of Renaissance cooking—in preparing such elegant dishes as aspics, sweetbreads, artichoke hearts, truffles, liver crépinettes, quenelles of poultry, macaroons, ice cream, and zabagliones. Catherine also introduced a new elegance and refinement to the French table."

http://www.londonfoodfilmfiesta.co.uk/Artmai~1/Italian%20in fluence%20on%20French%20cuisine.htm

The French do grow the finest lettuce in their gardens. Unfortunately, they inexplicably permit the gardens to get overrun with snails, which they control by eating them. It's the original organic pesticide. :-)

really just a question for JM051
Can you give some real statistics that show how any legislation regarding employment discrimination (beyond desegregation) that have improved economic standing of any groups that it was intended for? Don't forget to look at the trends for these groups in the decades preceding.
I do not say this sarcastically or in an inflamatory manner, just a question. And a good place that much research on these subjects has been done is in a book called "Economic Facts and Fallacies" by T. Sowell. I am sure you will find the information to be thorough and myth busting.

oh good freaking grief!
New polling data!

The new Reuters/Zogby poll shows Obama leading with 47% to McCain's 45%.

Today's Gallup Tracking poll shows the SAME RACE: Obama leading with 47%, McCain 45%

Today's HotlineFD Tracking Obama at 45%, McCain 42%

Today's Rasmussen shows McCain leading by 1 pt.: McCain 48%, Obama 47%


When did the numbers start to turn Obama's way?


What happened to the energizing fabled "Palin Effect"? The air is slowly seeping out of that tire! Maybe if she hadn't come off as a folksy, inexperienced, incoherent hockey mom (with LOTS of foreign policy by way of her state's proximity to RUSSIA!), these numbers might not suddenly, startlingly be turning against her.

Palin sounds even worse when spontaneously discussing the economy. KEEP HER AWAY FROM "MEET THE PRESS" for crying out loud! Or it's OVER, baby. It's OVER. You can kiss that folksy lipsticked pig goodbye.

Slaves
Most of the slaves in Africa were captured and sold by the Arabs (Muslims) with the helps of other blacks. In the North, many whites were enslaved by Muslims. Check out the Barbary Pirates and see how long the plied their trade. The "surplus" poor white children in England were among the first slaves.

"In 1855, Frederic Law Olmsted, the landscape architect who designed New York's Central Park, was in Alabama on a pleasure trip and saw bales of cotton being thrown from a considerable height into a cargo ship's hold. The men tossing the bales somewhat recklessly into the hold were Negroes, the men in the hold were Irish.

Olmsted inquired about this to a shipworker. "Oh," said the worker, "the niggers are worth too much to be risked here; if the Paddies are knocked overboard or get their backs broke, nobody loses anything.""

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

Mrs.Ramsey
What did I say that gave you the impression I was angry? I am disgusted with the status quo,but not angry. Did you even read my post,or did you just read the title and get a wrong impression?

Your on the Money
People have choices to succeed in society or fail.Sometimes there is guidance from a peer be it relative or neighbor school teacher.Sometimes there is not and we have to decide if we want to improve our position and abilities or to stagnate and fail.
When we accept responsibility for ourselves and respect ourselves that is when we improve our life.

Curious and relevant question?
Dr. Sowell's fine article today is consistent with all that I have read. Does he have time to tell us how he found the way to change when he was on his own at age 17? Where was he and what route did he find to his life story being so obviously positive as to have a correct understanding of the unimportant but interesting story of one's roots?

Rich D.
Alex Haley HIMSELF acknowledged the role that African blacks played in the slave trade of OTHER African blacks in his book "Roots". There is a scene in his book where Kunta Kinte's father is talking to his son, before his capture by slave-traders, about the role that some members of his tribe had in the slave trade, and said, "Some Mandinkas sell their slaves to toubob. Such men are traitors. A Kinte must never do that." Toubob, by the way, meant the white man.

As Mr. Sowell has pointed out MANY a time, there has hardly been an ethnicity on this planet that hasn't practiced - and been victimized by the practice of - slavery. So slavery has been a practice of opportunity, not prejudice. If the African slave traders were motivated by pure racialism, why didn't they also try to capture the Masai of east Africa to enslave? Because the Masai were such fierce warriors that everyone - their fellow tribes and certainly the slave-traders - knew better than to trifle with them. Many West African tribes simply proved easier to enslave.

One of the books of the New Testament, Philemon, was written to a Christian slaveholder who owned a slave named Onesimus, who was the central figure in Paul's epistle. With a name like Onesimus, I rather doubt this slave was a Negro. The Roman Empire that Paul lived in, as we know, was an equal-opportunity enslaver. White, black, the Romans didn't care about race when it came to the subject of slavery.

THIS should be the new TH featured
column!:

McCain makes a turn to embracing regulation
A decade ago, he champion deregulation of banking, insurance

The Washington Post
updated 10:06 p.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 16, 2008

WASHINGTON - A decade ago, Sen. John McCain embraced legislation to broadly deregulate the banking and insurance industries, helping to sweep aside a thicket of rules established over decades in favor of a less restricted financial marketplace that proponents said would result in greater economic growth.

Now, as the Bush administration scrambles to prevent the collapse of the American International Group (AIG), the nation's largest insurance company, and stabilize a tumultuous Wall Street, the Republican presidential nominee is scrambling to recast himself as a champion of regulation to end "reckless conduct, corruption and unbridled greed" on Wall Street.

"Government has a clear responsibility to act in defense of the public interest, and that's exactly what I intend to do," a fiery McCain said at a rally in Tampa yesterday. "In my administration, we're going to hold people on Wall Street responsible. And we're going to enact and enforce reforms to make sure that these outrages never happen in the first place."

McCain hopes to tap into anger among voters who are looking for someone to blame for the economic meltdown that threatens their home values, bank accounts and 401(k) plans. But his past support of congressional deregulation efforts and his arguments against "government interference" in the free market by federal, state and local officials have given Sen. Barack Obama an opening to press the advantage Democrats traditionally have in times of economic trouble.


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26749280/

Left Angle
If I am not mistaken,you were the one who said something about blacks and uniqueness. I could give a list of things I fault many whites for,but that was not the subject at hand.


josh
"You can kiss that folksy lipsticked pig goodbye."

I thought you liberals said that remark wasn't aimed at Gov. Palin. Why did you lie?

struggle for survival
>During decades of researching racial and ethnic groups in countries around the world-- with special attention to those who began in poverty and then rose to prosperity-<

That sounds like fascinating work! I bet it can be summarized very simply:

Struggle builds character

RT




JMO51
I don't think of myself as a hyphenated-American. I guess I don't worry too much about my identity.

I appreciate the fact that my father spoke German as he was a first generation American, but I don't feel any need to pursue my 'roots' for anything other than curiosity and interest. Nor do I take on any sense of shame in the wake of Nazi Germany. I have no idea if my ancestors were willing participants or not.

I don't really care, either. No matter what my ancestors did or did not do, it would not change who I am inside, nor would it alter my pride and gratitude for being born in America.

I've lived overseas. I wouldn't trade my Home, no matter how much I enjoy travel and other cultures.

I guess I just don't get it (the identity thing), but I am willing to entertain that some folks deem in important.

It must be, or they wouldn't keep harping on it.

After all, Obama has the somewhat unique position of being able to declare himself Black or White. Why does it matter?

Closing your eyes and saying it doesn't matter flies in the face of why this is 'historic.'

Based upon his record, he is unqualified as he is untested.

Based upon his associations, he is unqualified because he'd never pass a routine security clearance.

Truth is, he would not be a candidate without his race as a factor. It is what it is.

But, to point out he is unqualified is to be labeled a racist. Too bad. I will state my objections to his candidacy anyhow.

the high cost of racital hype
When will someone have the nerve to call out the owners of todays "PLANTATIONS OF DEPENDENCY"
that have enslaved several generations of BLACKS to a sub-standard life of dependency. After the civil rights act many black and white secular, socialist, liberals tricked millions of people onto their "PLANTATIONS OF DEPENDENCY" by treating them as inferiors not able to assume responsibility for themselves. One of the ways was to make them jump thru hoops trying to decide what they were to be called. i. e. a correct identify. To todays plantation owners this was more more important than teaching individual worth and the rewards of individual responsibility. Is there any doubt as to who profited most from the "PLANTATIONS OF DEPENDENCY"? a. plantation owners b. their subjects (slaves)Will someone please ask the plantation owners to release their captives? They are not inferior.

Outstanding---
As I have said many times, Dr. Sowell is always right on the money. A brilliant man.
Also I enjoyed the post by Readyk,which was great, but will add one group to his list, ok, it is ethnic. The warriors, I nominate the Vikings, My and my wife's ancestry, also they could fit into the lovers group since each warior had at least 10 concubine women for his pleasure while he wasn't burning and pilaging and might makes right. He!l yes, they were brutal and slightly right wing.
Once again, Dr. Sowell's columns are some of the best.

Look Beyond The Veil
If minority people of any race or ethnicity want to succeed in America, they must speak English so they can communicate their creative ideas, thoughts, and knowledge, and rise above the color or ethnicity of one's background which they have been made to be ashamed by others causing them to believe that they are inferior to a superior breed of people. Minorities should not believe that they are minorities but that they are valuable people who have much to offer. They must open their minds and seek out the possibilities and opportunities that can help them rise above their circumstances, not wait for a hand out and a few crumbs. There will always be bigots in the world who treat other people poorly, but one must pity them for their tunnel vision and their blind knowledge of the beauty of every race and ethnicity and culture that has so much to contribute to our country and to the world. Too many Americans have forgotten how to look beyond the color or ethnicity of one's features and miss out on the value of so many good and creative people who would help their neighbors in time of need and whose cultures should be preserved and integrated in history.

Dr Sowell
I always check Dr. Sowell's, Victor Davis Hanson's and Larry Elder's sites for my education...I suppose I should thank Bill Gates without him I'd never been able to read these "national treasures". To the naysayers perhaps this will help: a fella came into my bank to cash his check. The teller looked at it and said, Sir please endorse it and I'll cash it. He yelled I'm not endorsing anything and left...later he came in and said ,I got my check cashed...the teller asked, did you endorse it ? he responded OH YES they explained it to me there...(when he said he wasn't going to endorse it there, the teller quickly told the supervisor, the supervisor grabbed his hair and smashed his face on the deal plate and said now endorse it. He said oh, ok and did. Perhaps Will, Katrinna, and others need further explaining. haha

Xerxes & tribe, No.5
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Great answer, yours. Just everybody else should give up their identity. In other words, their should be NO identities, right.??. We should all be nobodies.

Dr Sowell explained it vey well. You do what you have to do to get along. Don't like your status, change your identity politics. Prefer your old identity, accept your lot in life and expect to go backwards, not forward. Just what has happened to most blacks, right.??.

They are way behind where blacks were in the 1930's to 1950's. Who says so.??. Anybody with half a head on their shoulders. Pull up your pants, get an education. Act like most other AMERICANS for at least 8 hours a day.

I have Scotish ancestors and some others, but you don't see me wearing a kilt to work. You won't hear me listening to Scotish bagpipes (love 'em) out in public and warpped out to 200 or 300 watts power(at leaast).

Xrexes, feels terrible to think you have to be human and just "get along, can't we" to be a person, not an identity and have all the respect and circumstances that other people have.??. The Vietnamese, Cambodians, Japanese, Koreans, Hindus, Colombians, Peruvians, Brazilians, and Caribbean peoples can do it, and do do it. Why can't you.??.

You only make people think you really are different and should go to segregated schools. Is that what you want.??. Everything serparate, but equal.??. Do you want to be separated from the rest of us, because many like you plainly SHOW that they do wish to be separate. Or do you just wish to be a nobody with no responsibilities and no results.??.
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Will
"Geek.

Gay! (BOO!)


As I've told you in the past, when you are FINALLY ready to kick down your closet door, Townhall has a large thriving gay community that will assisst you readjusting to your new life."

Will, I like your posts (most of them anyway). I don't think anyone else here does, but I do. And I'm not being facetious either.

Thanks, Dr. Sowell . . .
Before I got to the paragraph where you used the phrase, the concept "tribalism" was ringing in my ears as I began to formulate my response to your article. "Exaltation of the tribe above other groups." A very succinct observation to attach the word "blind" in front of it the way you do. And those who project their fears and inadequacies at targets outside of the "tribe" exhibit the dependency that keeps them right in place. Just where Jesse and Al want them to stay. Places where yourself and Cosby, et. al., would cajole them to leave. But it's safer in a tribe . . . especially if that's as far as you want to go in life.

Bless Your Heart
I don't know your history, but if you haven't run for office please do!!

Mrs. Paddy: 100% Correct
In saying to JMO51, "But, to point out he is unqualified is to be labeled a racist. Too bad. I will state my objections to his candidacy anyhow."

I 100% agree, you are 100% correct.

Liberal Olympics
Just a quick thought,

Can you imagine how the Olympics would be like with affirmative action, identity politics, victimization, and other liberal institutions? I for one am glad it is based on merit.

It's The Hip-Hop Kilt-Yer!
Excellent article Dr. Sowell, I think I still have some Black friends left, the last time we all got together I almost got my butt kicked-when I said we've lost about two generations of young Blacks to so-called Hip-Hop Culture, especially when I substituted the word Culture for "Kilt Yer" they damn near lost their minds.
These fine gentleman keep coming up with the same old, old tired slavery talking points and four hundred years of oppression by some man I've never met, I was probably oppressed and didn't even know it, I guess I was too busy trying to put my kid through college to be aware.
Anyway he turned into a fine young Black man, even though some of his friends may disagree, but, he thanked me the other day for getting on his case, which made him work hard to score high on his SAT's and also disuading him from going the Affirmative Action route.
I told him you're welcome and just make sure you do the same for my grand-children and other minority kids you come into contact with.

They have been screwed...
Great article. However, the truth is these kids have been screwed out of an identity by a government that has replaced the family. Good luck on ever straightening this mess up. Its the product of 60 years of social engineering and if Obama gets in there it will proceed as planned.

Honest Discussion
This is another excellent example of the divergent perspectives of white and black, that most people cannot honestly debate without offending someone. All too often an individual's need to belong and survive day to day seems to permeate beyond that need to plan ahead or learn life skills that will sustain us. Kudos Dr. Sowell!

My son is reading your economics book
I'm not sure of the title, but he requested it.

I'm glad you made good use of life lessons and that you are there as a role model for college students like my son.

God bless.

Obama would be disaster for Blacks
Barrack Obama has proved that a lot of white folks are willing to vote for a black man for president. That's the good news. Bad is that is we elect a terrible black president it may be ANOTHER 150 years before another one of us gets a chance at the office. Is that what we want? I ask my friends "would you hire a lawyer or a doctor just because he is black?" and I get these stupid looks. I know one who has always insisted Don't EVER hire a black attorney who is planning on voting for Barrack and nothing can change his mind. We are our own worst enemies.

TU Dr. Sowell
Well, I had forgotten about the Urban League and it's success and you are sooo right. Thank you for reminding us that even tho the Jesse Jacksons of the USA get most of the press, there were some successful programs out there that brought everyone UP, instead of dividing us. I for one, a white senior female, feel more divided from my fellow citizens more than ever before. This hyphonated-American idea is a new concept that divides us no matter what "tribe" you come from.

Racism used by Liberals for Power
The term 'Racism' has become a catch phrase that carries with it the assumption that to be a 'Racist', you automatically have to be white.

Well, this is just not true. There are many racists in our Multi-Cultural world that are people of color.

To assume that blacks are not and cannot be racist, is a poor assumption, not based on facts and reality.

Of course, the liberals could care less about facts and reality. They pander and use race as a divide and conquer strategy. It has been used by empire builders for thousands of years.

Special interests and victimization is what the Liberal Democrats specialize in. If it means creating class envy, class warfare, race warfare, or whatever so as distract, conquer and divide the population, they could care less about what is truly in the best interest of all citizens of this country or of what is truth and what is fiction. They use it to gain and retain power.


Race is culture
Thomas,
Aside from the relatively few true racists who's judgments are really based on melatonin levels, most of what's discussed these days about racism is actually about culture. It seems that most people are unaware of this crucial fact. When a discussion proceeds from a gross misunderstanding, it will almost never produce fruits. If this correction is made, then every topic becomes fair game. Maybe race is simply used as an intellectual road block, to stifle genuine debate over cultural & identity and the effect it can have on a peoples social condition.

Redmeat&cigarettes

Amen, Brother Thomas!
Brother Sowell. America rose above tribalism... you can see nations like Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India of note who still cling to tribalism.

Tribalism is stone age, get ride of it and get over it. I am an American, not a hyphenated American, just an American with NO connection, emotional or physical to the lands of my ancestors.

I look at the nations from whence they came, and thank God they left. I cannot look upon any of them with "admiration", just as an example of what America should never emulate.

Liberal Policies' Outcomes
The American socialists that the Democrat party has embraced regards itself as a god as shown by their interference in something as natural as results, or cause and effect. One way they do this is by guaranteeing success as an outcome of any input. For example they limit the success of the hard-working and self-sacrifing American to equal only what the gov't can provide for the lazy and unethical man. When someones success outstrips what the socialist welfare state can provide the citizenry is taxed to increase the socialist government's power and to limit the success an individual can attain. This is why the black community is largely static or declining in many important areas. Because socialist ideas have led them to believe that no matter what you do you will eventually land in a safety net called the government that will guarantee your success and survival.

alternative rhetoric
in grad school, i took a class called "alternative rhetoric." composition scholars, many of them way out in left field, theorized that we should not try to change students' language, oral or written, that students should be lauded for whatever version of english they use. my point, is that these people are indirectly playing around with peoples' futures. the idea of multiculturalism, that everything is eqully valid might work in the college classroom, a grad student's dissertation, or even some scholarly book, but the reality is that broken english, ebotics, etc. is not going to go over well in a job interview. convincing people that striving to maintain cultural identity at the expense of achieving the american dream is just another tool the liberals use expand their base. let's face it, if everyone was encouraged to reach higher, then fewer people would need the governement, and where would the dems be then? liberals need powerless people.
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