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Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bankrupt "Exploiters"
by Thomas Sowell
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In one of those front-page editorials disguised as "news" stories, the New York Times blames "the lucrative lending practices" of banks and other financial institutions for helping create the current financial crisis of millions of borrowers and of the financial system in general.

It must take either a willful determination to believe whatever they want to believe or a cynical desire to propagandize their readers for the New York Times to call "lucrative" the lending practices that have caused many lenders to lose millions of dollars, some to lose billions and some to go bankrupt themselves.

Blaming the lenders is the party line of Congressional Democrats as well. What we need is more government regulation of lenders, they say, to protect the innocent borrowers from "predatory" lending practices.

Before going further down that road, it may be useful to look back at what got us into this mess in the first place.

It was not that many years ago when there was moral outrage ringing throughout the media because lenders were reluctant to lend in certain neighborhoods and because banks did not approve mortgage loan applications from blacks as often as they approved mortgage loan applications from whites.

All this was an opening salvo in a campaign to get Congress to pass laws forcing lenders to lend to people they would not otherwise lend to and in places where they would not otherwise put their money.

The practice of not lending in some neighborhoods was demonized as "redlining" and the fact that minority applicants were approved for mortgages only 72 percent of the time, while whites were approved 89 percent, was called "overwhelming" evidence of discrimination by the Washington Post.

Some people are more easily overwhelmed than others, especially when they find statistics that seem to fit their preconceptions. But if we do what politicians and the media seldom bother to do-- stop and think-- an entirely different picture emerges.

In our own personal lives, common sense leads us to avoid some neighborhoods. If you want to call that "redlining," so be it. But places where it is dangerous to go are often also places where it is dangerous to send your money.

As for racial differences in mortgage loan application approval rates, that does not tell you much if you are comparing apples and oranges. Income, credit history and net worth are just some of the things that are very different from one group to another.

More important, in the same ways that blacks differ from whites, whites differ from Asian Americans. The fact that whites are turned down for conventional mortgage loans, and resort to subprime loans, more often than Asian Americans do is seldom reported in "news" stories about lending practices, even though such data are readily available.

Shocking as it may be to some, lenders are in the business of making money, and they don't much care whose money it is, so long as they get paid.

Politicians, on the other hand, are in the business of getting votes, and they don't much care whose votes it is-- or what they have to say or do in order to get those votes.

It was government intervention in the financial markets, which is now supposed to save the situation, that created the problem in the first place.

Laws and regulations pressured lending institutions to lend to people that they were not lending to, given the economic realities. The Community Reinvestment Act forced them to lend in places where they did not want to send their money, and where neither they nor the politicians wanted to walk.

Now that this whole situation has blown up in everybody's face, the government intervention that brought on this disaster in is supposed to save the day.

Politics is largely the process of taking credit and putting the blame on others-- regardless of what the facts may be. Politicians get away with this to the extent that we gullibly accept their words and look to them as political messiahs.

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the important lesson:
government involvement always raises the costs. The more government you have, the more costs that will be imposed upon you.

The lesson is important, but . . .
. . . when are we going to learn it?

Well said Dr. Sowell
People today have a nasty habit of not looking below the surface of decisions made by politicians. Lenders coerced into lending to those with questionable repayment ability. How could that go wrong?

When are we going to learn?
For most of the people, never. They are some that will always blame others for their predicament. It seems like more and more people are falling into that category nowadays.

Affirmative action at work
Suggesting that one should lend to another whom is not otherwise qualified or able to repay is similar to giving a job to a applicant that is underqualified in order to achieve a quota. The results are usually the same.

So simple but simply true!
Again Sowell nails it with eloquent simplicity:
"Shocking as it may be to some, lenders are in the business of making money, and they don't much care whose money it is, so long as they get paid.

Politicians, on the other hand, are in the business of getting votes, and they don't much care whose votes it is-- or what they have to say or do in order to get those votes."

But those of you asking why "we don't learn" this simple truth, the answer is just as simple:
You can't wake someone up who's pretending to be asleep.


Dr. Sowell
Nailed it. The government caused this crisis. It always does. They are just hoping that we do not figure it out. Be sure to tell all your friends.

On the money--pun intended
Congress wielded the club: Lend to these neighborhoods or face regulatory wrath.

I was taught that bank regulation was instituted, along with depositor insurance, to safeguard against reckless lending practices, in order to keep the system stable, bank by bank.

Was I taught incorrectly? How can the two demands be met simultaneously?

Affirmative government action
drhebis is exactly correct.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Ronald Reagan

Education
This, like everything else, happens because such a large percentage of our population is willfully ignorant. We all laugh at Jay Leno's Jaywalking episodes and shake our heads at the studies that show college students and adults don't know American history, but it's becoming a crisis.

It's like the chain emails I still get from family members and friends warning about some scary email virus that's been noted as a hoax for years. I can tell immediately that it's a hoax, and a few minutes of research at Snopes confirms it. The same people fall for this stuff no matter how many times I explain. They believe anything they hear and then pass it on to their entire address list.

These issues are reported by the MSM in 15-second bites or in 100-word 'news' articles, then repeated as fact by everyone around the water cooler. I see so many letters and comments spouting the talking heads word-for-word. I don't think they ever stop and think about what they're repeating.

Even my teenagers know enough to tell if something doesn't pass the smell test, then they ask me if it's true. If I don't know for sure, we research it.

If only most of the adults in this country would do the same.

I do remember congressmen....
lending themselves money by "kiting" checks at the House bank. A few hands were slapped but that is all. No hand wringing about personal responsibility, etc. Paying your bills is a personal responsibility that will enable you to get a loan. Chronicly not paying your bill will(or should) disqualify you from a loan of any kind. I am will to bet that if you could go back and "tease out" the credit rating of all those blacks and whites who didn't get loans in the 1970's, bad credit reports would be rampant.

Feel Good Vs. Reality
Yes, lenders are in business to make money - not serve some sort of social cause. So when they get backed into a corner and are 'threatened' with future problems (A Jesse Jackson protest?) they decide to throw away their principles and lend to everybody.

However, there is this funny thing about money lenders and that is they want to get repaid with real dollars, not feel good dollars. While they may have loaned money to people they souldn't have, they still expect them to repay their loans. When the lenders aren't repaid then reality sets in and the feel good lending practices are exposed for what they are - not worth the paper they are written on.

Mr. Sowell.....
PLEASE run for POTUS!!!... please, please, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE! We need someone of principle in whom we can believe!

Subprime Callapse Promotes America

My take is that many lenders and Wall Street packagers were willing fools. What lender would lend 100% loan to value, no money down, and to subprime borrowers to boot, even using other people’s money, and expect to stay in business very long. Such lending is a Ponzi scheme. But of course, until the day of reckoning, huge profits and salaries were reaped.

These people were simply taking advantage of a window of opportunity offered by the Feds and the Treasury, who promoted the scheme to create a bubble that would attract foreign investment. To increase instability, lending at 125% loan to value was promoted. When these borrowers defaulted, the bubble was pricked and America levied an excess profits tax in the $ trillions.

The purpose all along was to get foreigners to invest their dollar profits in American land and businesses instead of T bills. The American corporate investments by foreigners could then influence congress just like all-American corporations via K Street, giving foreigners a say in their governance, and thus preventing revolt and the end of American economic and military leadership..

China is trying to promote domestic demand by greatly increasing credit card use, and it has worked to some extent. China has gotten our intended message, that’s for sure. Japan meantime, among others, including oil states, is investing in American corporations, as intended.

AT
I can't wait for Anthony Thomas to say that the mfact that you state that the difference in mortgage approval rates for whites and blacks might be justified proves what an Uncle Tom you are. Some people never get it. Keep up the good work, Dr. Sowell

Dr. Sowell; Bad Premise?
Somewhere I saw the rebuttal made that the defaulted sub-prime mortgages did _not_ track the CRA coerced-loan areas. While I like the premise that this mess was largely caused by do-gooder nanny-state politicians, it may not be true.

Still, your initial observation seems sound: It is a very incompetent predator that manages to starve to death surrounded by willing prey!

the most important thred ever part 2
the way to grab our share is through that constitutionally guaranteed incone distribution system given to us by god, the graduated income tax. let us go forth and soak them just as they have been soaking us for so many years. and ifobama doesnt do it or doesnt do anough of it throw his rear out out and elect someone who will. anyone who seea any kind of fairness in a system which allows one man to make 4.2 bilklionbillion dollars in a year and then complains about government regulation and about his income taxes ,is blind to his own economic intereste. we ill nationalize the financial industry if for no other reason then that the ones who are running it now are so greedy that they cant protect themselves by limiting what they steal. eventually they will steal enough and times will call for a change. its working fine so far. those who complain about the unfairnwess of taking =fro one to give to another, just you wait. we havent evn started , hold on to your checkbook because we are coming to get it.

Wall St does not need any more help!
Wow. The columnist takes a huge financial problem and attempts to simplify it while using the standard divisive rhetoric (good credit vs poor credit, Black vs White) that's originated from the real culprits - Wall Street Investment Banks. Inv Banks (ex. BearSterns, Goldman, Lehman Bros, Merrill, MorganStanley)DID devise a Ponzi scheme that taxpayers will continue to pay for. "Poor", "Black" "redlined" borrowers are not the reason that the Fed stepped in to bail out Bear Sterns. The Bonds that were encouraged by Wall St can no longer be sold because investors have zero confidence in ANY of this paper. This includes everything from Commercial Paper to financing for Corp Mergers and Acquisitions. Dr Sowell is wrong. This was EXTREMELY lucrative to all involved. Everyone from Greenspan to Congress refrained from looking closely because mortgage financing was CRITICAL to our economic growth. We basically asked the Banks to police themselves. Housing had unprecedented appreciation which was directly tied to the availability of exotic financing. These loans brought more potential borrowers to the table which drove housing prices up (supply and demand)....When placing blame for this crisis, Sowell makes a case against "special interest" status for borrowers. The executives at Wall St Banks are somewhere smiling as they continue to access Fed Fund pools and count on us to bail them out.

Hate to tell you...
TruthHurts, hate to tell you this, but he is right. Congress did interfere with political grandstanding, and forced these investment firms to make these loans that cost the lenders. This may be a horrid shock, but 1. Businesses are supposed to show a profit, as well as a profit margin; and 2. There is nothing evil about earning money. That is their job.

Would you like it if I told you, "Truth, I really have a hard time with you not getting your car fixed by the shops on the west end of town, and...'

"But, but, but...I'm going to lose my shirt, they do shoddy work and charge through the nose for it."

"That's beside the point. You have to be a bit more compassionate, and worry a little less about filthy lucre. You ought to be ashamed! Ashamed, I tell you!"


"Well, I can see your point, but I will lose out by an unfair trade of my money for a good (the repair parts) amd the services (the work on the car)."

"What!?! Unfair is your depriving those garages the same opportunities as the rest!"

"They HAVE the same opportunities as the rest, and they engage in behavior that is not beneficial to my side of the deal and costs me far more than what the goods and services are worth!"

"You're being selfish, again!"

"No, I'm not. I'm being ripped off for you to be reelected!"

"Oh, yeah? Watch me write laws MAKING you do it, then we'll see what happens!"

America is a Capitalist Country
What planet are you from? America is a capitalist country, the government did not force banks to do business, businesses do things for a profit. This is the same tired argument---"it is "the man's" fault.

The vast majority of bad loans are not minority lending but speculators who bought houses on a razor-thin margin and expected to renovate or live in luxury by paying only the interest on a mortgage note while property values soared. When their prediction of higher house prices failed to materialize and they cannot make their payments, they default on the loan.

That is how capitalism works, the greedy on both sides hope to exploit each other. Now, in the mortgage crisis, the borrower and the lender are both wrong. It is their fault, not Congress' or government.

Bankrupt "Exploiters"
WHENEVER "ANYTHING" is "BROKE" screwed-up, doesn't work like intended (or stated at least), and ETC AD INFINITUM, then Sports Fans, look for the HAND OF GOVERNMENT. Our current medical system woes, social security, immigration (gov't propped up people so they NEED NOT take jobs that are "ATTRACTING" Mexicans et al and we are LOSING our country as a result)and on and on and on!!!!!!

WHEN on earth are people gonna LEARN this fact of life!! Government is the court of LAST resort and is 95% a failure in most anything it endeavors to do. I personally see only one bright spot in gov't enterprises in the last 40+ years - they did indeed get us to the Moon. Aside from that, SHOW ME, babies!! Jim Johnson
in Missouri don't ya know!

You Don't Have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand what has happened in the mortgage industry. No money to put down? No problem. Already in debt up to your eyeballs? No problem.

More money than sense. Now there is less money, but still no sense in congress.

People must live with their choices - borrowers, and lenders. For every government "solution", there are at least two unintended new problems created.

The inflation in the real estate market over the past 15 years was not sustainable, and the current "crisis" was easily predictable. Government needs to keep its nose out of people's private lives, and let the markets work.

Community Reinvestment Act
i would be interested to know WHO voted for this in the Congress and if any of them are still there, publish the list. There's plenty of blame to go around but no one has yet pointed the finger at those who write the laws that let this begin.

Obama's syncophants
I've noticed on the TH.com board that while most posters/commenters are right-wing, the few leftists that post here never defend Obama. They merely counter-attack any right-wing critic of Obama.

Could that be because Obama's socialist agenda is indefensible?

Redlining
Dear Thomas Sowell. Keep on trucking. Your comments are invariably excellent

Anne Mansfield, whose father, Mike was not a man to take credit and blame others even if his well intentioned legislative efforts at times had unintended consequences.

The buck went "that-a-way."
Thanks Thomas, for helping me to remember history.

Washington is forever telling us they are going to solve a problem that "other circumstances" created, when the facts be known - they ARE the problem.
The real solution is for the people to discover the facts and vote for "problem solvers."

We see it over and over: the failed levees in New Orleans, the failed leadership in N.O. and Louisiana; the failure of public housing, the failure in solving the energy crisis, the failure in solving the illegal immigrant crisis, the failure in solving the border security crisis --- the list is long.

Let us look at the people who are blocking real solutions and vote them out. It is not that hard. Look at history, not what we are being told by the media and some politicians. When we do not do that, WE are a major part of the problem.

We can blame the problem on congress and the 15% approval rating reflects that. But the REAL problem lies with the voters "you and me."

It is our responsibility to learn the truth, place blame and vote for problem solvers.

So let's get with it and solve the problem. As "Old Harry" said. "The buck stops here."

Sub prime mess
While Mr. Sowell's explanation of the genesis of the problem is self-evident, it is only half the story.

The banks, having been forced by legislation and community agitators into making less than qualified loans, sold those loans like hot potatoes. Some clever investment bankers bundled them into "financial products" called "sub prime" loans, and sold them on the secondary markets. If you tag on a high enough yield, some greedy investors would come along and buy the debt, especially if some major financial institution like Citicorp either implicitly or explicitly guarantee them. (This was not limited to greedy US investors, the victim lists includes many major international banks in Europe and Asia.)

Back in those loose credit hay days "sub prime" loans became legitimized and the every other mortgage lender got in the act to cash into the housing bubble gravy train, until the feds tried to rein in credit in face of the emergence of oil price-induced inflation, then all hell broke loose.

If only the low income property market were involved in this "sub prime" fiasco, the scope would have been narrow and the problem small (in $ terms). But what we face are the mega loans in places like California, Florida, and Nevada, where a lot of people got in the act to speculate and turn houses to make a quick kill. The loose lending practice has nothing to do with the under-served poor, but everything to do with abetting the undeserving gamblers, most of whom are relatively well to do.

Legal immigrant




Finally, the truth
I was beginning to wonder who else recalls that the mantra was REDLINING poor black folk. Lions and tigers and bears -- look, people, at what this kind if incessant whining has wrought. But if you want to keep giving in and compromising with the Left, you are going to get more and more of this. And our country will fall.

Why is anyone surprised?
Point one. The housing market is cyclical. Always has been, always will be.
Point two. In spite of the current panic, mortgage rates are near historical lows. I clearly remember the Carter years when standard home loan terms were 20% down and 18% interest. The recent no money down interest only loans made borrowers think that Santa Claus was a banker.
Point three. Caveat Emptor, or as grampa used to say, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. Anyone who really thinks they can borrow more than their collateral is worth with no down payment and interest only and not repay the principal deserves to suffer the consequences of their own stupididty.
Point four. The market is complex and the current downturn has three sources. One Affirmative action lending. Lending to unqualified borrowers is less than savvy business practice, but the broker who originated the loan sold it to someone else and whistled past the graveyard. Second is market fundamentals. Simply, after a frenzied building boom housing supply caught up with demand, particularly in sun belt hotspots like Vegas and South Fla. Third, the flipping craze. People bought homes not to live in, but to fix up and resell for a profit, hopefully before the first mortgage payment was due. Nothing wrong with that but too many of these speculators leveraged themselves so thinly that they couldn't afford to make payments on more than 1 or 2 properties, so when one didn't sell right away, they would just bail.
Point five. There are winners and losers in every market. The current situation is a classic buyers market. In the area where I live, the most popular lawn ornament is a for sale sign. Buyers who meet traditional criteria for a morrtgage have a large inventory of houses to choose from and the added leverage of having few competitors for the house of their dreams.

There's also the practice
of making loans to illegal aliens and not asking for proof of citizenship. I read a couple of years ago that banks were doing this and I was stunned. I couldn’t imagine why banks would want to take such a huge risk. Then I happened to walk into my own bank, National City, and saw solicitations for loans on big posters in the bank written in Spanish.

Can you imagine making home loans to people who can’t even speak English! If they can’t speak English, it is unlikely that they are going to be employed in a job that pays anything. National City’s stock fell from $20 a share to $3.50 a share in a matter of weeks. I closed out my savings account with them and moved my money to Chase last week. I’m not taking any chances.

I’m a landlord, and I can tell you from experience that even people who look good on paper can turn out to be HUGE liabilities. They might do well for a couple of months, but then they start making excuses for not paying their rent and they start trashing their apartment. When risking assets, one can never be too careful, and only a fool would put money on someone who was questionable.

And these geniuses in Congress...

...are now debating a law restricting market speculation. There's little that is more dangerous than large groups of stupid people.

Banks lose money on foreclosures
I've had to file a lot of mechanic's liens in the last 18 months as electrical contractor because of this mess. Many of these liens were settled for 25 cents on the dollar by banks that were trying to avoid a foreclosure, but were still going to lose a lot of money even after avoiding it.

Nobody wins in a foreclosure. I don't know why a bank would invest in a loan if it was known in advance that the borrower was a very poor risk. Seems like truly predatory lending would be profitable, don't you think?

And
How bout those ILLEGAL ALIENS? How about those NO-DOC LOANS?

P.S. The Banks are Broke.

http://media.lewrockwell.com/LRC-002-The_Banks_Are_Broken.m p3

Thanks LBJ
The so called Great Society Program ruined the Black Middle Class. Now the areas where redlining makes sense is populated by welfare receipents who do not work, do not marry and do not raiser their kids. Where are the black fathers. When 50% or more black families are single parents living off the government dole then demanding more what do you expect. Drop out rates, teen pregnancy and unwed mothers are out of sight.

Democrats have runied the black family and they keep eating it up. I am sick of all this whining and blaiming whitey.

G




interest rate
The meaning of events become obvious after Dr Sowell comments on them. One addition to the mortgage mess may be that interest rates were kept very low for a time long enough to over heat the market. Consequences of such a move may have been anticipated by Greenspan et al but for some reason nothing was done. Do we have someone to thank for this?

Addressing economic ignorance
The mortgage mess was caused by two things: one Dr. Sowell has addressed particularly well in this column; the other is the too-free money policy of the Fed which dumped so much liquidity into the lending markets. BOTH of these problems, by definition, are GOVERNMENTAL failures (and, of course, the proposed solutions are MORE regulation and MORE Fed power).

It must be remembered that most of the problem is at the margins. People are OVERWHELMINGLY paying their mortgages on time, but the nature of business (ANY business) is that it lives and dies on the margins, so when foolhardy regulation is put in place or liquidity levels are manipulated (first too much liquidity and then too little) it puts a strain on the system that cannot be withstood. With so much cheap money available, lenders believed (rationally) that the additional risk of subprime lending could be offset by the returns. The Fed free-money policy was based on (failed) Keynesian concepts (not some odd scheme to move foreign money out of T-bills).

Only an incredible fool believes that lenders deliberately engaged in lending to people that they “knew” could not pay because that could only lose them money (as must “Wall Street bankers” devising a “Ponzi scheme”). The whole premise is completely irrational. It is no less completely wrong to blame “speculators” (as in the case of oil prices, as well - though, at least in this case, they did have some real impact on prices) whose impact in relation to the entire market was minimal. Of course, falling for the nonsense that capitalism is all about “greed” undermines that silly argument more than I ever could (mrbmrb, what?!?!?).

Bail outs
The banks probably thought the government would bail them out. I thought about 6 years ago very low interest rates were being offered to induce buyers into the market. Five years later when the adjustable rates went up homeowners found they could not make the payments. The banks should have seen this coming. There is no excuse. Let everyone lose and learn a life lesson. The government is not there to bail us out of stupid predicaments that we get ourselves into. On the banks side and the borrowers side. Both were foolish.

and while the mortgage problem
was building our congress was holding hearings on steroids in baseball and hearings where they could beat up on oil executives.

Its time for some Truth here .
Its time for some Truth here .
Thomas Sowell just told the Truth .
Plus I might ad CONGRESS (LIBERALS ) went to President Bush and demanded More Except-able weaker standards for home loans . {OR } They were going heap on MORE REGULATIONS to all Lending Institutions .
So reluctantly he went alone with the Scheme .Up jumps Country Wide (close friends of many Liberals ) In Congress . The Domino effect then moved through all home loans Cos. . and low midlle class workers,
So those LOAN Contracts moved all over the world . They is why many European and Asians banks failed as well .
This was part of the grand Scheme . Allow a very marginal credit person to RE-FRY , I call it .
their old Loans Plus their Homes reappraised often at 110-120 % of Loan value . Alone with that came ''CASH " to the Borrow UP FRONT ..INSANE .
Then those that should not ever had Home Loans got New Homes also REAPPRAISED at higher loan limited and the show was on with BUY NOW PAY BE LATER A LOT LATER .
[So } what you had was many people or Families living in Homes and Condo's they could not afford when the 3 year contacts ran out paying generally 20-25 % of a normal monthly loan payments .
It is all spelled out in their Loan agreements with 6 different (DO YOU UNDERSTANDS ) THE PAYMENTS WILL GO UP AT THE END OF THE THREE YEARS !! SIGN HERE IF YOU UNDERSTAND .
When a family making $50-60 Thousand dollars a year got a loan on a $300-400 BUYING home often given Cash up front .It became only a cheap rental .

YOU'LL BE PAYING 4 TIMES AS MUCH WHEN THOSE THREE YEAR RUN OUT .
I can't believe someone Buying Buying a $ 400.00.00 home must have know paying $599.00 a Month was going too end . Plus he had to pay the Cash back into those Loan Fees with Points for BAD CREDIT .
Greed won here While American taxes payers lost and Congress got dirty Votes .
Those are the facts like it or not .

EVERYTHING the Govt. TOUCHES TURNS
to CRAP!!!

Any Questions?

Affirmative Action started the problem
This article is SO TRUE. I have wished so many times for this issue to be exposed and discussed.
My husband, VP of Mortgage Dept. in a large bank in Atlanta, was so horrified by a series of articles in the Atlanta Journal Constitution that he had a heart attack. The writer won a Putlizer prize for the series that was filled with false information which blamed that bank for "Red Lining." My husband tried, in vain, to get his bank to protest and fight the allegations, but instead they settled with the black hustlers who demanded reparations.
Thank you, Dr. Sowell. You explained it so well.
Mary Connelly
Austin,TX

Dr. Sowell is correct
as far as he goes. But the lending officers used the "freedom" of new lending guidelines/congressional mandates along with rapidly rising home prices, to make loans they knew were bad. They did this to make a commission, with a wink from their employer. In many cases, there was clear fraud. The loose (if any) supervision of the practice of re-selling mortgages in big bundles that were supposedly creditworthy allowed this credit risk to be exported around the world without proper evaluation and disclosure.

When congress invites and indeed rewards people to cut corners, in the interests of fairness of course, nobody should be surprised when inventive minds go them one better. The immediate incentives, for both buyer and lender, were great. The potential risks were thought to be remote, and in any case sluffed off on someone else--or so it was thought.

TO uniformed voter
That is how capitalism works, the greedy on both sides hope to exploit each other. Now, in the mortgage crisis, the borrower and the lender are both wrong. It is their fault, not Congress' or government.
_______________________
What are you Smoking ? It was all over the news that Polosi , Shumner and many Liberals did a face off with Bush over RED LINING MOSTLY BLACKS . Their Black mail scheme was more Regulations would be impose unless Banks and home loan co.s relaxed home loan standards ......They through open the door to lenders and Borrowers for greed ....... real Capitolism is based on sound economics .That is why we didn't have a home melt down many many years .
PLUS Freddie Mac and Freddie May are the two bigest home lending Inst. in America by far ............they get Govt money even though they were set up to be for profit ,But that became a Joke .

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
What people also do not realize that while the government mandated that loans be made to low, or no credit people, the government sponsored entities (GSE) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were buying up those loans as quick as they were made. Lenders will not loan if these loans can't be bought, so Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were fueling the fire. Now, they both are in trouble.

That's the problem with politicians, they make laws that sound good on the surface, which they take credit for, then when the law causes damage, the politicians begin pointing fingers all over the place, and now they are going to "fix" the problem.

The truth, the losses are not that bad.
The bank failures, and "almost" bank failures to date have all been associated with write offs that are mostly paper. That is, "Mark to Market" accounting rules that require the security to be valued at market resale value despite cashflow expectations.

The actual "Realized Losses" are tiny compared to the paper losses the banks are being forced to account for, and as a result they become undercapitalized because of reserves they must carry based on right downs, real or paper.

When confidence returns, and all these paper losses get written back onto the books we are going to see a bank profit explosion.

Dr. Sowell.... Your explanation fits your world view, but do a little research.

Thank you, Bill Clinton
The Community Reinvestment Act is a United States federal law passed in 1977 that requires banks and thrifts to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as "redlining."

The CRA passed despite considerable opposition from the mainstream banking community. Only one banker testified in favor of the act.

In 1995, as a result of interest from President Clinton's administration, the implementing regulations for the CRA were strengthened by focusing the financial regulators' attention on institutions' performance in helping to meet community credit needs. These revisions were credited with helping to substantially increase the amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Part of the increase in the latter type of lending was no doubt due to increased efficiency in the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages. The first public securitization [pooling and repackaging of cash-flow producing financial assets into securities sold to investors] of CRA loans started in 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

mortgage crisis
I think it depends on where you live.I think most of the mortgage losses are in Cal. Flo. and a few other places,but it isn't in every state.

Jim
I am sure Dr. Sowell being a highly educated Phd has a much better grasp on economics, history, and perhaps you should close your mouth and open your mind to his intelligence and expertise. Your last line indicates your arrogance and lack of discernment of facts. It is not Dr. Sowell who needs to do any more reasearch. He has a firm grasp on reality already. You on the other hand...

Thanks again, Bill Clinton.
Back about the time they were debating the changes of 1995, Dr. Sowell said in an interview on CSPAN that the default rate for blacks was about the same as it was for whites, indicating that they were being evaluated by the same criteria as whites, and that any loosening of the loan requirements for blacks would increase their default rate. That’s exactly what happened.

Political messiahs
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And now we are about to elect one, Obamessiah.

Congress will always be one of the legs
on the footstool of failure and incompetence. Name the problem, and congress will be there. Of course, we have such ignorance amongst our public. That they can't, or merely refuse to see the oblivious buffoonery from those selling them a truckload of manure.

We "collectively" as citizens, get the bad government we deserve.

I still say,
a lot of the subprime loan problems could have been solved by eliminating property taxes which can double the monthly mortgage payment. Of course, government caused the problem, and government refuses to eliminate these taxes.

mrbmrb #17: Remember that Hussein and the democ-rats want to impose an ADDITIONAL 47 TRILLION DOLLARS in taxes on us: 2 new gas taxes, Hussein's 845 BILLION DOLLARS TO THE UN TAX, Rangel's new ONE TRILLION DOLLAR TAX, and the 45 TRILLION DOLLAR ALGORE ENRICHMENT TAX.

John #23: They're probably all still there. They don't care about results, only intentions.

loco #38: TRY to beat up on oil company executives.

Dr.Sowell's analysis of the NY Times
is right on point. I urge that he submit this as an op-ed piece to the Times. They may not want to print it but after the flap over McCain, they may feel constrained to do so.

Catscratch
As a Phd I'm sure Dr. Sowell can defend his own ideas. I'm equally sure the last thing he would want is a surogate who can't debate me on the merit of my premis but who only seeks to disparage simply because I should dare to disagree.

I have great respect for Dr. Sowell, and perhaps my last comment was disparaging, but I would love to hear Dr. Sowells responce, or at least from someone who can speak to the issue raised.

You sir or madam, simply live up to your name.

i agree
This is exactly what I thought was the problem with the excessive loans that were being generated. Then it is just like our fearless leaders on both sides to point fingers.

The same thing happened to me in medicine. I have a blog a http://www.lsu-unofficial.com that will demonstrate how the government screws us in medicine and the environment you are looking at when we socialize.

O.K... but now what?

So, how many of you have actually heard about this or read about this anywhere else... like in our media? Or on the other side, how many stories and/or charges about "predatory" lending practices have you come across?

Point made.

So, how many of you conservative profiles in courage will now...

... memorize the words "Community Reinvestment Act"?

... forward this article?

... tell your friends about it?

... actually vote this fall?


Liar
"Congress to pass laws forcing lenders to lend to people they would not otherwise lend to and in places where they would not otherwise put their money."

NOT TRUE. This is a lie by Thomas Sowell, because I firmly believe he knows the truth.

The laws required banks to also make loans wherever they were ALSO taking deposits.

The fact is, banks made a mint out of these loans. There was a common practice of soliciting them...calling up old people and trying to talk them into loans that they weren't even looking for, and then flipping through loan after loan as the rates got worse and worse. Many of these people were elderly people who already owned their homes.

Why would they do this? They were bundling these mortgages into securities, then paying ratings companies to give them AAA ratings (saying that they were the best investments money could buy). They were then making a mint off the sale of these securities, because they were lying about what the securities actually were.

People from these companies made millions upon millions--and they are not giving them back now that their companies are bankrupt.

So yes, they were lucrative. But Thomas Sowell wants to defend con artists who prey on old ladies and lie to investors. It's all the old ladies' faults.

Definition.

The true definition of a politician -

"A person who's there to 'assist' you with the very problem they caused, and is now helping to perpetuate."

What a racket.

And who are the enablers?



CHICKEN LITTLE CONGRESS
You are 100% on target. Congress want to get reelected more than they want to be leaders. They run around looking for some tragedy they can exploit to grandstand. Let us use the oil crisis, Bush submitted a detailed energy plan in 2001 and congress killed it upon receipt. We would not have $ 4.00 + gas prices if congress had followed the Presidents lead. They create a problem and blame it on the business people congress forced the behavior on. (see: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/environment/jan-june01/ener _5-17.html)

Once again classism and bias by Sowell
Once again Sowell shows his classist/ bias attitude towards those who are either poor or minorities. The column blames the mortgage crisis on programs like the Community Reinvestment Act, (which was implemented to deter discrimination by banks against those on the lower economic scale), but ignores the fact that millions of the people who are defaulting on their loans are not poor minorities!!!

Sowell always blames any government intervention to help poor/minorities for all the social and economic ills of our society even if the facts contradict this notion. Any idiot knows that it’s not just poor Americans who were beneficiaries of things like the Community Reinvestment Act that have defaulted on their loans. Why does Sowell only blame poor minorities and those willing to help them for the problem?

UN-Informed Voter
Voter claims: "That is how capitalism works, the greedy on both sides hope to exploit each other. Now, in the mortgage crisis, the borrower and the lender are both wrong. It is their fault, not Congress' or government."

Your ignorance is monumental.

Capitalism is a system of VOLUNTARY interaction for mutual benefit. Goods and services are produced and sold on the open market and capital investment is what drives the economy - whether such investment is in one's own business or others'. This investment, whether short-term or the kind of long-term investment that creates whole new industries (superconducter research, for example) creates jobs and raises the standard of living of millions.

This is what you call exploitation? Nobody forces you to deal with anyone you don't want to unless it's because of government decree.

You are free to deal (or not) with whomever you choose except in those cases where the government has created coercive monopolies such as the cable companies and utilities, for example.

What would your alternative be? Government control of the means of production with the likes of Nancy Pilosi and Harry Reid declaring what will be produced and in what quality and quantity? Perhaps they'd get together twice a year to fine tune their choices.

Jim
Yes you were disparaging of Dr. Sowell and the intent of his article was to show how Congress interference and idiocy are primarily responsible for this "sub-prime" mortgage crisis. That is exactly what he spoke to which was the issue raised. You sir simply reinforce your own ignorance as there is never a need to disparage Dr. Sowell.

Insurance, too
I shudder as I watch pols pander to the demand that everybody is entitled to cheap insurance. Here in Fl the state responded to objections to high rates after huricanes by devising a state "insurance" plan. Of course, it is not backed up by solid reserves and threw underwriting guidelines out. Just like Fannie and Freddie.
Read Obama's helth insurance plan. It is a price fixing scheme that assumes that the health care industry will flourish without payment. It seems to me over and over again Dems argue that it is not fair to expect people to pay for things. There is no way that the top 1% can carry everybody. In fact, there is evidence that similar tax policies led to the founding of the first monasteries. Rich Romans were willing to give up everything to get away from the taxman.

Government the problem, not the solution
Let the banks go insolvent. Stop bailing out and attempting to prop up home prices. Let the correction begin, and lets regulate the fed. Even better yet, lets offer a competing currency to the fiat dollar based on gold.

That will defang the state.

Anthony Thomas.

Have you ever heard of "unintended consequences?"

I'm sure that FDR never intended for the country to go broke in a hundred years when he created the Social Security system.

I'm sure that LBJ never intended to destroy the black family when he envisioned "The Great Society"

I'm sure that Congress never intended to create a banking crisis when they passed the Community Reinvestment Act.

And I'm also sure that these (or other) fools in Congress will, in their arrogance and stupidity, find ever more ways to muck around in the economy and create much worse unintended consequences.

Catscratch
Who are you, his Mother.

My point was that he is not correct. If the fed suspended Mark to Market rules today in faver of a cash flow evaluation you would see huge finacial recoveries among the banks involved in the so called "Sub Prime" crisis.

The fact is, since there is very little "Market" for any MBS, "Prime" mortgages are being treated much the same as "Sub Prime" mortgages are being treated. (From an acocunting perspective.)

Do you even know what a paper loss is? Why am I wasting my time?

Excellent Article (as usual)...

"Politics is largely the process of taking credit and putting the blame on others-- regardless of what the facts may be. Politicians get away with this to the extent that we gullibly accept their words and look to them as political messiahs."
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The Liberal-Progressives and their media misfits seem to have a monopoly on this process.


Correction
"Why does Sowell only blame poor minorities and those willing to help them for the problem? "

He's not. He's blaming policies that have significantly forced lending institutions to cater to higher risk clients than they ordinarily would. Risk/Reward strategies do not apply to a credit analyst who is only interested in getting paid back, and the ability of the client to do just that.

Do you understand what a lending institution has to go through in order to turn down a loan request from "anybody"? Are you aware of the regulations, the paperwork, and the procedural steps necessary in order to avoid fines and lawsuits?

Do you have any idea of the paradigm shift that government has forced on lending institutions in order to get them to reduce their debt coverage lending policies (just one area) so that they don't get sued silly by some clown who is going to scream "racism" when they get turned down?

Are you aware of what credit analysts, credit administrators, and loan officers go through in the operation of lending to clients on an individual basis?

Do you think there is a template?

It doesn't take too much critical thinking to understand that minorities are not the problem; the regulations, over-zealous attorneys, and intrusion of government into the lending sector is.

What BS
The Banks need regulation to protect themselves from themselves, not just to protect the consumer and society. And wet ultimately picks up the tab as we did in the S & L scandal and with Bear Sterns even as banking executives walk away with golden parachutes.

Also there were practices that should not have happened and should be made criminal like steering someone who is eligible for an FHA loan into a ricky and questionable subprime mortage to chase higher upfront fees.

I would agree that the piece in the times was slanted in a way that seem to not make the person not responsible for her own irresponsibility.

But the larger point that government regulation rather than a lack of it is responsible for this crisis is BS Also Redlineing is a red herring, lots of these no money down loans were made in places that haven't seen a black person for 200 miles.

Industry needs regulation, not too much, but also not too little and when their is too little you have a collapse.


Mick
Wrong, when Government fails to do its job, usually under a conservative administration, the financial syatem collapses. S & L crisis, Enron, Worldcom, Bear Sterns. Aways the same don't regulate us, but when we are in trouble save us.


Jim
No, I'm not his mother, but you continue to prove your own nastiness and ignorance. Dr. Sowell's point remains the same...that it is Congress and their continued idiocy that lead to almost every financial ill, woe, and problem by continually passing stupid laws and then attempting to correct that stupid law with another totally inane and inept one. It is you sir that had to throw in the disparaging remarks about Dr. Sowell to begin with which of course is always a waste of time.

Liberalism to blame
Liberalism likes to try to dictate results. The CRA would be find if it just required that banks have the same standards when they lend to all locations, but it doesn't. It like many liberal programs/goals says that the results must be the same. This is idiotic to anyone with common sense, but common sense doesn't get a seat at the table. The sad part is how prevalent the liberal view is now.

The best action government can take here is no action at all. Bailing banks or borrowers out just rewards bad or in the very least irresponsible behavior. I bought a home back in November of '06. The appraised value is now worth 40k less, but since I am not moving anytime soon this doesn't matter that much. I did not try to get a few percentage points off of my rate by taking a short term ARM with a teaser rate. In other words I acted responsibly and continue to pay back my loan. By rewarding those that didn't act that way it is a slap in the face to those like me who did.

Austin
"The best action government can take here is no action at all."

A quote from Will Rogers: "Washington, D.C., papers say Congress is deadlocked and can't act. I think that's the greatest blessing that could ever befall this country."

Amen!

Austin
"The best action government can take here is no action at all. Bailing banks or borrowers out just rewards bad or in the very least irresponsible behavior."

Excellent point.


Being good and wanting good
Bob are you telling us that wanting good and being good are two different things. Surely you jest.

BO is telling all that their needs and wants can be met if the rich are just made to pay their fair share. He only wants to do good and being POTUS a justifiable perk for someone with such pure motives after all he is the son of a saint, St Ann Dunham Obama. All true Americans should be praying to St Dunham the woman called by BO, the messiah himself, as the most loving, except for her bad feelings about those evil Republicans and some unkind thoughts about black panhandlers, person he ever knew.


Question for Progressives aka libs
Since by your definition EVERYONE HAS a right to a home, why dont you just GIVE the POOR YOUR home for FREE?

If in fact...
Banks were only giving out these loans (which they were getting rich off of, due to fraudulent bond ratings they bought from ratings companies)because of things like the CRA, why were they giving out sub-prime mega loans to people buying mansions? No law required them to do that.

Why did they make it a practice to actively solicit people for these sub-prime loans? Did the CRA require them to stuff my mailbox with offers to refinance my home to an ARM? Did the CRA force them to make cold calls to elderly people who owned their homes, to push them into loans that they did not understand?

One can only believe Sowell's take on this by studious ignoring the facts. Banks were not being forced--they were actively and aggressively seeking to make these loans, and many of them were NOT to people who would have been protected by the CRA, but to foolish middle-class people wanting to buy mansions with no money down.

Govt is the problem?
The columnist states the govt pressured banks to loan to risky minority borrowers. Don't think so. The problem was that the lenders passed on their risks by making subprime loans and then selling them to other investors who then assumed the risk. That's also known as a shell game. Of course, when the House of Cards started collapsing, the capitalist entrepreneurs went crying back to the govt to bail them out. You can't have it both ways.

No JMO51 wrong again
The current mess, as well as the Enron debacle ... were due in large part to Bill Clinton's signing and not vetoing specific legislation.
http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/foreclosed-blame -bill-clintons-repeal-of-glass-steagall.html

It was actually during Clinton's liberal administration as well that the Enron debacle occured. In fact much of Clinton's supposed boom was founded in corporate fraud from the likes of Enron, WorldCom, etc...


Blame the Lawyers

I scanned dozens of comments here, and did not find a mention of those really to blame, the lawyers and the college educated so-called economists.

Now if you read what anyone of those people brag is their ethics, their reason for living, any one of them could have stopped this whole mess. Sure the Board of Directors told them to get that money on the street, earning interest, but who came up with the specific idea, and who wrote the documents? And don’t tell me they didn’t know what kinds of things could happen if they went on with those ideas.

Many years ago I bought, renovated, and sold several apartment buildings. I used the proceeds to make Trust Deed loans. I can assure you that the stupidity, and the ignorance of the borrower often just amazed me, and they would not listen to reason, or to explanations of what they were getting into.

Even with all my efforts to make only “good” loans, I repossessed several properties, including a couple of multi-million dollar mansions in Beverly Hills, and Santa Monica.

Most of these loans were made through a Mortgage Broker, and his paperwork was used, but I insisted on changes to clauses in the documents several times.

I tried to run my business under these rules:

Wouldn't you rather
trust everyone all of the time and be
wrong once in a while,
than trust no one at any time, and be
right once in a while.

As modified by the comment of my friend Ronald Reagan, “Trust but Verify.”

I remember when I sold a house one evening, and agreed to meet at the escrow office the at nine the next morning. The man pulled out his check-book, and a receipt, and started to write. I stopped him and said, “If we can’t trust each other until 9:00 AM in the morning, wouldn’t you rather find that out before we actually started to do business with each other?” He had a shocked look on his face, but agreed that’s a great way to do business.

Gullibility
The gullibility of any populace is what politicians, snake oil salesmen and opinion column writers use to leverage their words.

That restrictions on redlining are but one contribution to the credit crisis is true. It’s certainly not the sole reason or even the first domino.

A bunch if credit worthy baby boomers making a hyperbolic market out of liquid mortgage lending practices and selling it off to X’ers who thought they were onto the next big thing also contributed to another bubble. This time it was irrational exuberance in borrowing, millennial style.

Money supply is money supply, whether it’s printed and passed between Asian finger nail technicians on flowing across financial servers from Cisco. When the government pumps in too much liquidity, you get increased gullibility and decreased value.


“Living in our Society.”

Back in the 1960s, when I was selling Computer Services for a living, I tried to convince the Department of Education in Sacramento, to implement a course to be taught from K through 12, called “Living in our Society.” And during high school years the main subject, prompted by a Computer Game, would be Care and Feeding of your money.

A profession, or a job would be selected or assigned to the student, an income determined, and the computer would prompt real life experiences. The calendar would be speeded up, so that 10 years or so of simulated life, would fit in the couple of actual years.

Weddings, babies, auto accidents, and normal things like paying rent or a mortgage, groceries, and medical bills, would give the student a view into the real world. I bet the A student from that course would not have signed up for a sub-prime loan.

Of course at that time, computer power was not available at a price that made it possible, but these days, a lap-top could do it all.

I once suggested to the President of a so-called Computer Game company that he should include educational features in his game. That is, the student must complete a certain amount of educational problems, to earn minutes to play the game.

I though he was going to hit me with his tennis racket, and he threatened me if I should ever mention that to someone in power, who might insist on that feature.

At the local Mall, there is a computer game where little children try to step on certain color spots, projected on the floor.

I have asked several mothers if they would like a Computer game that would teach their children how to keep their room clean, and how to behave while shopping. Twice, the mother said, “And teach them how to treat their mother.”


evidence ignored
if something doesn't work in biz then it is the biz's fault and they pay for it.

If something doesn't work in govt then it is the biz's fault and the people pay for it. Plus, Dem/libs insist that it just needs more $$$ thrown at it.


Oh, and one other thing.

What I hate more than a government regulation that determines what a company or an industry must do, is the actions of that industry that made the regulation necessary.

At the moment, I can not think of a government regulation that was created before stupidity by an industry, made the regulation necessary.

Come to think of it, how could a regulation be written to correct something, that had never been done or thought about? And don’t give Congress credit for thinking of something of real value, out of thin air.

The only way they hear of anything is in the news, or from a Lobbyist.

Just remember, the President serves for 35,000 hours, so if he solved a problem each and every hour, for 24 hours a day, he could not create the perfect society in ten terms.

Stop and Think?
Don't expect the democrats to stop and think, nor their cohorts in the MSM. If they did this, they may realize how stupid their policies are.

JM051 is a perfect example of a liberal idiot.

Obama is a Charlatan
Sowell: "Politics is largely the process of taking credit and putting the blame on others-- regardless of what the facts may be. Politicians get away with this to the extent that we gullibly accept their words and look to them as political messiahs."

. . . and Barack Obama is the most edept politician since slick Willy Clinton at getting away with this. Of course, Obama has ABC, NBC, CBS, NY TIMES, NPR, AP and every idiot liberal indoctrinated 20-something coming out of college (stoned to the bone, no less) to aid him in snake oild salesmanship.

What a freakin' shame -- U.S. Citizens, spoiled by wealth (usually generated by others for them), ungrateful for what previous generations have provided for them and angry at anything but which they cannot articulate through intellectually honest persuasion and debate (probably because they were coddled but utter gut courses while being indoctrinated by far leftist, fascist, socialist "professors" in college) while the country goes to hell in henbasket. I genuinely believe such a liberal left turn will kill the country. Too bad.

Affirmative action at work
"Suggesting that one should lend to another whom is not otherwise qualified or able to repay is similar to giving a job to a applicant that is underqualified in order to achieve a quota. The results are usually the same."

Right on drhebris - and in November we get to see how affirmative action works when selecting an inexperienced and unqualified presidential candidate.

Remain ignorant & stupid, but happy!
Jim - Oh, and one other thing. "At the moment, I can not think of a government regulation that was created before stupidity by an industry, made the regulation necessary.

Come to think of it, how could a regulation be written to correct something, that had never been done or thought about? And don’t give Congress credit for thinking of something of real value, out of thin air."

Come to think of it - Jim - I cannot figure out how to argue with your ignorance, nor debate with your stupidity! Perhaps it would help if you read the article and verified & researched & read support for Dr. Sowell's statements and facts! Ah, but then you might really understand & have to change your mind, making you very unhappy! Sorry I suggested this. Please remain ignorant & stupid, but happy! HAND!

Blame the Lawyers????
Jim: "Blame the Lawyers

I scanned dozens of comments here, and did not find a mention of those really to blame, the lawyers and the college educated so-called economists."

Hey, Jim - help me here! One of your postings blamed business. This one blames Lawyers! If I keep reading your positings, will I end up finding out everyone, except smart ole you, are to blame? Way to go Jim in CA!

Which of us is the most ignorant


vamtns41 Location: NC
Reply # 89
Date: Jul 22, 2008 - 12:58 PM EST
Subject: Blame the Lawyers????
Jim: "Blame the Lawyers

Hey, Jim - help me here! One of your postings blamed business. This one blames Lawyers! If I keep reading your positings, will I end up finding out everyone,

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I say: I know this is difficult for you to understand, but the lawyers, the economists, the bankers, and the administration of those organizations are part and parcel of those businesses, and all are to blame.

Work on it, maybe it will come to you.

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vamtns41 Location: NC
Reply # 88
Date: Jul 22, 2008 - 12:53 PM EST
Remain ignorant & stupid, but happy!
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Where this comment of yours is concerned, I will have to happily stay ignorant, it makes no sense at all.


Jim from FL
I have been in the mortgage loan business for thirty years. Anyone on this forum beat that?

Congress is to blame. I can remember when we were accused of discrimination because people had rotten credit. No work track record, no down payment.

We called it the "three C's. Credit, capability, and collatoral. You had to have at least two of the three to get a home loan. If you did not, you were guilty of racism. Right??
Let me share with some of you people....everyone I know did not care what color you were.... they only cared what color your repayments were.

Sooooo... Congress wanted poor risks to get loans. They did and here we are.

Oh, and by the way. A lot of the applications were outright fantasy and lies by the borrowers. They would get turned down at one lender.. learn from their errors and lie to the next one and sure enough, get approved.

Again, THIRTY years of making home loans at almost every level.

Tom Sowell is right
Once again Dr. Sowell has put it to the masses on what is really the culprit behind our "housing crisis". The Government and mostly the inept congress.

Food for thought:
Those of you who agree with Sowell on this, please answer this question:

How could the CRA have been to blame if (1) the mortgage lenders, which accounted for a majority of the forfeited loans, were not covered by the CRA and (2) the majority of forfeited borrowers were not poor minorities that the CRA was designed to help?

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_ca use_the_subprime_crisis

If it hasn't been said - here it is
Subprime loans were not the problem. At least not the largest culprit.

Sowell is right that things like the CRA are to blame. He is also right that banks discriminate against bad credit, not skin color. They make money by MAKING loans, not denying them. Loan officers make money by MAKING loans, not denying them.

Take Angelo Mozilo - a democrat's wet dream with the mantra of expanding the dream of home ownership to everyone. He knew full well that the way to avoid congressional wrath was to be the person they demanded he be. Lend to everyone or be accused of discriminatory practices. Its just like paying protection money to the mob.

Does anyone doubt this?

Countrywide, for whom I work - was not the #1 subprime lender. Not the #1 Alt-A lender. Not the #1 Option ARM lender - yet, being the biggest overall lender, took all the wrath of Schumer & his flying monkeys. Mozilo was taken out and dragged through the public streets in disgrace for doing nothing more than what his "friends" in the Fed Gov't demanded of him.

Lender's always live with the .5% or so default rate on mortgages. Add Additional foreclosures on loans made to "buy" congress's good will and soon you have housing prices dropping.

Once that happens, everyone who got a subprime loan that expected to be able to refinance out of it in 2 years found themselves stuck with the high-interest loan because they were underwater with loan to value and unable to get new financing.

Then, foreclosures catch the attention of legislators like Schumer who aggravate the problem for everyone alive by being one of the dumbest people around, and cause bank failures jsut by opening his mouth in public.

Before you know it, average home values everywhere go down due to the flood of foreclosures on the market and everyone pays.

This cycle will repeat itself in about 30 years, just like the cycle before that.

Government Intervention
If anyone knows of any business that has been taken over by the government,that is improved by the takeover,please let me know.

Governments, from local to national are all stricken by 'white guilt'. It is unfair for whites to have more than minorities. It matters not that minorities may not have the means,including education,work ethic,etc.

It is also a means of buying minorities votes.Keep them dependent and 'down on the farm'. New Orleans is a prime example of that.




Thanks Mr. Sowell!
Everything the Government get involved in turns to whiffle dust!
What happened to the American Farmers?
Last week saw some Lady that was with the FDA or CDC talking about sending tomatos from FL to Mexico to be packaged??? Then sent back here for marketing. Am I to believe that staying out of Mexico (Not wanting Montezuman's revenge) it is imported to me? This does not need to make sense, it just needs to be managed by the Governent??? Give me a break.
Look at the airlines, believe me they were in trouble before 9-11.
Do any of you think this generation really knows that Free Enterprize does not mean items and services are Free?



Blame game
It's time to identify the movers and shakers behind this kind of disaster. Name names, let's go get'em. Call'em out and let's get one of the sleaziest trial lawyers on board for a class action law suit to make these ***holes pay with at least unfavorable publicity and maybe even run'em out of office for a change. This has gone far enough.

Jason
Jason: How could the CRA have been to blame if (1) the mortgage lenders, which accounted for a majority of the forfeited loans, were not covered by the CRA and (2) the majority of forfeited borrowers were not poor minorities that the CRA was designed to help?

The CRA sets the tone for lending. It says to banks - "Play ball or be fined". For non-banks, it says this is what gov't is directing banks to do, so how do we mortgage companies keep up our market share and profitability? We have to keep up with the Joneses.

As for #2) again, simple. The majority, by far, of mortgagees are not subprime. With falling housing prices, everyone suffers. Prime borrowers have even been walking away from their homes (that they can still afford) because it turned from an investment to a liability. They owe more than its worth so they just let it go back to the bank. I've seen it first hand.

Wasn't it
Jimmah Cahteh that started this whole thing against "redlining"?

As for the banks that made the bad loans 1) Aren't they supposed to verify identity/income/assets before approval, and 2)be sure the prospective borrower understands the terms of the note?

And the borrowers are supposed to READ the contract before signing. In fact, there's a part of the contract that specifies he understands the terms of the debt he is about to incur-and he signs on the dotted line saying yes, he understands, and will comply.

As for us, our home loan is now paid in full, so we're well out of it. Whew!

Since Jason has his Liberal sources ...
I thought I pull up some non-liberal ones:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8152

https://www.reason.com/news/show/123972.html

OMG you CONServatives R STUPID 2
REALITY:

Banks couldn’t give away the money fast enough because every person in the food chain made thousands. To believe that a positive well meaning government goal had something to do with this is like claiming you cheated on your wife because the other woman cooks better even though she never actually cooked for you while you were hanging out between the sheets!!!

The entire world is angry at us because they bought this debt and it went south. Our domestic bankers sold out this nations honor for greed & profit. Europe there are local municipalities that believed the USA was the gold standard in investment integrity due to our regulatory history. So they used public monies for local governments, pension funds, etc. to buy our mortgage debt. When people say that the USA has slipped in the eyes of the world it’s not only Iraq, it’s in our financial markets. If you invest in Chad or some other 3rd world country you know you taking a huge risk. But the USA? Why can’t dumb the conservatives, who resist adequate regulation, see that their own ideology is resulting in real world consequences that affect everything from our ability to have a strong dollar to our ability to maintain honorable & respectable economic relationships with the rest of the world?

Regulations can be restricting but an efficient modern system can be designed to address these issues in real time. With that said regulations are a must. The human heart is too full of blind ambition, greed, etc. to operate responsibly without boundaries. Maybe 99% of us can but the 1% that can’t will ultimately screw it up. Human nature 101. That’s why we have laws, jails, social customs to curb our animalistic tendencies, etc.

For example, if all motor vehicle laws were abolished & we then had a huge uptick in drunken driving deaths, huge increases of young men driving over 140MPH & killing innocents on the way to work, etc. whose fault is it.

OMG you CONServatives R STUPID 3
And further, what are the real consequences of that? In addition to the personal tragedies we would have to triple our emergency road facilities, ambulances, paramedics, police & highway patrol, etc. So this one event of “deregulating” the roads would lead to huge social & financial costs to our society.

And if the conservatives are going to be consistent they would hold only the drivers responsible & continue to resist all laws & regulations for the roads. They would claim that laws will only complicate matters & cost the taxpayer in terms on enforcement. Meanwhile they would be blind to the already huge costs being paid daily to clean up the mess created by their lack of road regulations.

Truth is that yes, morally it is the drivers fault. But are you willing to die or have your family killed so that you can live in some fantasy of a world with no laws or regulations because you have this fantasy that no one will abuse their freedom? That’s irresponsible.

So how does this conservative delusion help us govern responsibly or protect the innocents? And isn’t the very nature of the political power we grant to our representatives supposed to serve us. If we were attacked by Iran would we just sit idly by if our government turned a blind eye to it? How is it any different if our financial system is attacked by those who may not have a nationalistic drive but are driven by greed?

If it results in billions of taxpayer bailouts, millions of folks forced out of their homes then this cannot be acceptable. Regardless of whose fault it is do you really think it serves the USA to have all these kids bounced out of a stable environment and stuffed into apartment complexes? Conservatives like to talk about efficient use of capitol but ignore the best asset this country should be investing in, its people and its future generations.

OMG you CONServatives R STUPID 4
So conservatives are free to blame anyone they want but its rather obvious to this man that you are all becoming retarded by adopting this conservative mindset that wants to politicize everything into left or right.

The reality is that we’ve got another year or two of declining home prices at the least and many bank failures are in the pipeline. Your taxes are going to be stolen to bail them out because your beloved republicans forgot how to govern responsibly. Yet all you worry about is redistribution of the ‘evil’ tax & spend liberal! In the meantime it’s happening right in front of you but in reverse, steal from the working class to bail out the drunken banking system that made the rich richer.

If this happened under a liberal government you all would be having a field day. I guess you haven’t figured out that historically Jimmy Carter has now been replaced by the entire conservative movement as the worst modern government we’ve experienced. You’ll see…

And because you all are so arrogant and sure of yourselves I’ll throw this in, I kicked you butts so bad that responding will just prove your ignorance. And the hero of the right, Dr. Sowell, just got called out for what he really is, a conservative mind/reality propagandist with no loyalty to the economics of the real world. You’ll call me a liberal and all sorts of names but the reality is that not one of you will be able to logically debate me or refute my post. Of course you’ll all write one or two lame lines that sound like Rush or Hannity was channeled through your little minds. But anyone who really gets reality it’s so clear that you conservatives don’t have a clue. You all are PATHETIC if you believe that Dr. Sowell’s thinking has any value in the real world. It’s poison to your development as a functioning human being to think like he does. Criticizing honest efforts to help those who need a hand??? And then lying about the housing mess?

OMG you CONServatives R STUPID 5
What a horribly dishonest ‘thinker’ in regards to economics, responsibilities & duties of government, lack of reality and the human heart.

Look at the economic mess this housing situation has caused that didn’t need to happen. And FYI- 40% of GDP growth over the last 5 years was housing. It’s all gone, no real industry or long term job growth creation. Housing actually hid the terrible economic performance of the Republican congress or administration. 8 years of treading water while creating the largest national debt in the history of the world. Pretty lame record for the conservatives to face up to. You will not gain power again until you all look in the mirror, adjust the ideology to reflect reality & get rid of these ignorant voices like Dr. Sowell know more about knitting propaganda then economics.

As Dr. Phil says, how that workin’ for you?

Economic malpractice - Pt. 1
Once again, Dr. Sowell uses his normal tactic of setting up a straw man -- in this case blaming the Community Reinvestment Act for the subprime mortgage crisis – and then beats that straw man to death. All this without giving us a single fact or statistic that supports this comically fraudulent claim. Dr. Sowell, I am flatly accusing you of making this stuff up.

Let’s be completely clear. This was a crisis caused by supply and demand. There was a worldwide demand for U.S. mortgage-backed securities as international investors sought safe, secure places that earned good returns for their money. The U.S. mortgage default rate has historically averaged 2-3% and investors felt that these were safe investments.

Once the market got hot, U.S. banks and brokerages were having a difficult time meeting the demand. Even with investment bankers and other financial players packaging mortgages into a variety of new products and securities, there were not enough new mortgages being generated to meet the demand. Pressure began to be felt from corporate boardrooms to community lending offices to generate more mortgages that could be packaged for sale.

It was at this crucial tipping point that credit standards began to decline as local banks, brokers and other credit agencies tried to bring more potential mortgage customers into the system to meet the growing demand. Deregulation of the financial markets was a huge enabler of this trend to lower credit standards, as well as allowing the subsequent securities to be rated higher than they deserved.

Mortgage lenders dropped their standards one by one until they were making jumbo mortgage loans with no income or asset verification (known as NINA loans). In every office, pressure was placed on individual loan officers to generate more loans, no matter the credit worthiness of the customers.

Economic malpractice - Pt. 2
Dr. Sowell, either you are the most ignorant economist I’ve ever encountered or you are willfully malpracticing when you deny this was a lucrative trade. The trade was lucrative beyond the wildest expectations of its participants. When a broker made a loan, he got paid. When the bank packaged that loan for resale to an investment bank, the bank got paid. When the investment firm paid a rating agency to place a high rating on these risky securities, the rating agency got paid. When the investment bank packaged thousands of these mortgages into securities and sold them to investors, the investment bank got paid. There was a profit motive up and down the food chain and a lot of people got very well compensated.

Lucrative does not begin to describe what happened. Yet there would have been nothing wrong with it had we not done away with the regulatory system that kept it honest.

Now let’s look at who lost. The ultimate buyers of those highly rated securities were the first victim. Suddenly they found themselves with supposedly A-rated paper that was defaulting at 25-30% or more and losing money. Also the people pressured into taking out these loans, who were often the victims of high pressure sales tactics from brokers and mortgage officers who were in turn being pressured by their superiors to make these loans to anyone with a warm body whose breath could fog a mirror.

From top to bottom, the deregulation of the credit and financial markets was a huge factor in allowing these practices to occur. It was also the proximate cause of many other mortgage crisis-related problems that are just now roiling the markets, such as the marketing of overrated credit market default swaps and other shaky products that served the industry.

STOP
People who can't afford to buy a house shouldn't.If you're ignorant enough to buy one anyway, then you should suffer the consequences. This is not rocket science, just plain common sense.

Economic malpractice - Pt. III
It is absolutely ludicrous that CRA lending was the cause of the subprime crisis, Dr. Sowell. You should be ashamed for peddling this complete nonsense. In fact, I do not know a single bank that originates loans – subprime or otherwise – through its CRA funds. I’m sure there may be some out there who do this, but most make CRA commitments through local housing coalitions or city-sponsored programs that limit their risk and liability. If they had used have the diligence on their subprime loans that they use on CRA investments, we’d not have the credit meltdown we have today.

The Important Lesson
The folks that got us in this mess are all in Washington; the Congress. How can you have a couple of large private money organizations that are managed by the government? It doesn't make sense. So, some of the people that got the loans shouldn't have and guess what there were more of them than the ones that applied and got the loans because they could afford it. I guees the simplest solution to this is just plain old personal responsibility, if you don't understand the rules, better talk to somebody who can teach you and if you can't afford it, save until you can. We should be all hold the Congress to their accounts and anyone that voted for these 'extensions' should be voted out of office.

Ken
Of the numerous incorrect statements in your post, the most obvious one is that the default rate of NINA type loans is nowhere near the 25 - 30% you state. Also, the default rate in currently higher for fully documented loans (verified disclosure of income and assets) than it is for loans that required no income or asset verification. That is because the credit rating for those who qualify for reduced documentation financing is higher to begin with.

As for Wall Street being the buyer of risky loans- no argument there. Bear Sterns said they would buy packages of loans made under certain criteria so mortgage bankers made those loans. Lenders are not going to make loans that no one will buy.

Its not about deregulation. Its about regulation that makes sense. The same folks in the Fed Gov't who were concerned that people with lousy credit (and were black) were getting turned down too much for loans, make the regulations. Not sensical regulations. Just regulations for the sake of good appearances. In other words, a waste of everyone's time and energy.

That is why businesses need to be able to succeed and fail on their own. There shouldn't even be a FannieMae or FreddieMac to begin with. If they weren't there to facilitate funding for risky loans, some banks would fail. Some would survive. Life would go on, and we wouldn't be so concerned at how we are causing chaos in international markets.

Being willing to live under regulations that don't make sense doesn't make you any more noble than one who advocates rational regulation.

Can Fascism be far behind?
When popular media intentionally subvert the truth to protect their symbiotic relationship with big government and other special interests, it follows that they soon see dropping revenue. It's happening now. More and more Americans are reaching out to other, more dependable and balanced news sources.
The New York Times is just one of many news outlets that has lost all credibility. In past weeks and days we have also seen the complete sell out by the three major TV news organizations.

In the best of worlds these dishonored business's would soon fold and fair journalism would triumph. But, I think, perhaps not this time. I'm increasingly afraid, given the sickening and rising stench from DC, that within a few short years we Americans who delight with and depend on each other's soapbox musings may well find ourselves using these shaky mini-stages to build barricades.

Where were the ethics?

Ken Location: TN
Reply # 105
Date: Jul 22, 2008 - 3:02 PM EST

Economic malpractice

Ken said:

This was a crisis caused by supply and demand.

… brokers and other credit agencies tried to bring more potential mortgage customers into the system to meet the growing demand.

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I say:

That is exactly what happened, but that is the most ridiculous reason to make a loan I ever heard of. One would expect the bankers and lawyers, would have higher ethics than that.

When I made a loan, I remembered, and reminded the borrower, that this is most likely the biggest financial decision they would ever make, and if they did or did not complete the transaction, it would effect them for the rest of their lives.

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It reminded me of a job interview I had 50 some years ago. The man interviewing me kept asking me more and more questions, but would not answer my questions about him and his company. I told him, “Whether I take this job or not, effects me and my family for the rest of my life. If I work for you a week, or 20 years, after I leave no one will remember me, unless I kill someone on my way out the door.”

He was shocked, I left his office, but a few years later he called me, thanked me for the lesson, and hired me for a good job.

The same with bankers and the borrower. The decision had major effect on the borrower, but unless the borrower defaulted, it had little or no effect on the bank. The bank’s computer processed the payment each month, nothing more.


Fat Dawg
I am thirty, so most of my friends have been busy buying their first houses in the past five years. All of them, good credit and bad credit, were pressured to get ARM loans and other gimmicky products, evens when they easily qualified for traditional mortgages. They were told by mortgage brokers to use their down payment to get a car, and go into a no money down mortgage.

My husband and I both had credit scores above 700, were putting 40% down, and our payment was only going to be less than 20% of our month, and our broker pushed us, very hard, to get an interest-only mortgage. We refused, fortunately. until recently, I received mailers almost weekly touting ARMs and other sub-prime products.

These products were being pushed, hard, and it had nothing to do with the CRA or any other regulation. If banks were so reluctant to make these loans, why did they push them so aggressively? If I didn't want to make a certain kind of loan, I definitely wouldn't be cold-calling old people to find customers for said loans.

This is total bunk. You can only believe Sowell by ignoring all the facts.


Fuzzy
A thoughtful post from you, unlike Dr. Sowell's column.

However I did not say that there was a blanket default rate for NINA-type loans of 25-30%. I said some buyers of mortgage-backed securities found themselves holding paper with an internal default rate of 25-30%. In some cases, it was even higher.

And the fact that the default rate on fully documented loans is even higher than on some NINA loans just serves to further prove my point. The standards for evaluating these loans had been eroded by pressure to generate more loans. I work with bankers every day as a commercial real estate broekr and many are ashamed that they let their standards erode so badly. Those banks who actually hold those mortgages -- a distinct minority these days -- are suffering from the high default rates. But most banks simply pass the loans on and it is the ultimate buyers of mortgage-backed securities who suffer the losses.

I certainly agree regulation must make sense. But Sowell's misinformed diatribe against CRA and anti-redlining regulations makes no sense. This was such a small part of the problem as to be nearly invisible.

By far the largest culprit here is the blanket deregulation of the financial industry over the past 25 years as we have, brick by brick, destructed all the guarantees of transparency, fair dealing and rationality put in place following the Great Depression. And who could have guessed we'd do that and have another financial crisis?

Fuzzy
A thoughtful post from you, unlike Dr. Sowell's column.

However I did not say that there was a blanket default rate for NINA-type loans of 25-30%. I said some buyers of mortgage-backed securities found themselves holding paper with an internal default rate of 25-30%. In some cases, it was even higher.

And the fact that the default rate on fully documented loans is even higher than on some NINA loans just serves to further prove my point. The standards for evaluating these loans had been eroded by pressure to generate more loans. I work with bankers every day as a commercial real estate broekr and many are ashamed that they let their standards erode so badly. Those banks who actually hold those mortgages -- a distinct minority these days -- are suffering from the high default rates. But most banks simply pass the loans on and it is the ultimate buyers of mortgage-backed securities who suffer the losses.

I certainly agree regulation must make sense. But Sowell's misinformed diatribe against CRA and anti-redlining regulations makes no sense. This was such a small part of the problem as to be nearly invisible.

By far the largest culprit here is the blanket deregulation of the financial industry over the past 25 years as we have, brick by brick, destroyed all the guarantees of transparency, fair dealing and rationality put in place following the Great Depression. Who possibly could have guessed we'd do that and end up with the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression?

wonder how...
Funny thing, even though "we are now in the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression" our new redeemer Barrack Hussein Obombus manages to eke out 25 MILLION DOLLARS in one day for his campaign. Why it must be all those evil conservatives donating to him right????

Wachovia
Wachovia, among others, lost nine billion last quarter. I wonder how much of that was due to their liberal loan policy to illegals.
I realize that that policy was only announced this year, that means it was probly in place long enough ago that maybe it made some impact.
(I'm from the sanctuary of the formerly great state of Maryland, so Im sensitive to this)

Oh yea
speaking of those caring for poor people people like barack, jesse jackson, dodd(special sweet mortgages from countrywide)...Here's the latest turns out those government lenders freddie mac and fannie mae were giving money to Jesse Jackson as well... http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nlpc-blasts-fannie-m ae-freddie/story.aspx?guid=%7B44A2D123-FBDF-4FB5-A17C-E964C 8828438%7D&dist=TQP_Mod_pressN

turns out he's been fleecing them for years.

bailout
I'm really pissed at my money being used to bail these lenders and borrowers out. I've been responsible my whole life and I'm sick of being used as a walking wallet.

The desert dweller rites:
"Regulations can be restricting but an efficient modern system can be designed to address these issues in real time. With that said regulations are a must. ....

For example, if all motor vehicle laws were abolished & we then had a huge uptick in drunken driving deaths, huge increases of young men driving over 140MPH & killing innocents on the way to work, etc. whose fault is it."

Who regulates the regulators? If the government is behind the wheel driving recklessly, which is the case, there ain't nothing to be done. So what is yer solution?....more regulation...we'll let idiots drive the car. Go figure.

Do yourself a favor: read "Crisis Investing for the rest of the 90's" by Doug Casey. Pay special attention to chapter 3: cycles of Boom and Bust. It was written in the early 90's, and Chapter 3 reads like today's newspaper. This government sponsored financial crisis has been predicted over and over again and is as old as Mises, Hazlett, Rothbard...and they are all dead and buried.

another thing
In actuality it is predominantly CA, FL, AZ, NV that account for most of this "mortgage crisis." Subprime loans accounting for about 1/2 of all current foreclosures.

http://www.mortgagebankers.org/NewsandMedia/PressCenter/629 36.htm


Dr.Sowell
If one of your students had turned your article in as a project,they would have received a failing grade.So did you.As the "Intellectual Coward", you rehash parts of an argument, that has no merit.This economy is cyclical and produces enormous opportunity at every turn.But,rather than expound upon the possible,you choose propaganda.There is no "Fool",like an "Old" fool...I am still waiting COWARD!!!

Addressing still more ignorance - 1
That laws forced lenders “to lend to people they would not otherwise lend to and in places where they would not otherwise put their money” is unequivocally true. The source of deposits has no bearing on the quality of properties/borrowers in the area. That “banks made a mint on these loans” is also factually WRONG. Calling others “stupid” while bemoaning all the money that (now strapped) financial institutions made is merely engaging in projection. The return on long-term lending instruments, particularly mortgages, is spread over the life of the loan and is dependent on actual PAYMENT (even in the case of securities bundling – to spread risk - it was lenders primarily involved in the purchase of these instruments). Some BROKERS/ORIGINATORS made alot because they are typically NOT the final lenders and they make their money on transaction fees (now most are out of work) but that doesn’t explain the willingness of LENDERS to advance funds (due to excess Fed liquidity). Overwhelmingly, there’s little or no substance to the accusations of “predatory lending” practices commonly made by the Left.

The CRA was passed to address this (fictional) problem. The whole redlining bugaboo in banking and insurance is built on misrepresentations. The fact that it is not ONLY the poor who have defaulted on loans in no way undermines Sowell’s thesis because such higher risk loans ARE more subject to default. The American Prospect (even if it were reliable) makes the argument that most subprime loans were made by lenders not directly affected by CRA. This is true – and irrelevant. The impact on the marketplace as a whole of such policies carries far beyond their initial target (and it wasn’t the entire marketplace that collapsed, simply enough to have dire economic consequences. While implying it, American Prospect does not actually make the claim that fewer loans made by CRA affected institutions actually defaulted. The omission was NOT accidental.

Addressing still more ignorance - 2
Sowell’s thesis (government intervention to help the poor has made things worse) is the ONLY conclusion consistent with the facts. Welfare, social security, minimum wage laws, the New Deal, the CRA, Medicaid – all are consistent with Sowell’s premise. It’s not his fault that some are still in denial.

While “supply and demand” drove the marketplace during the development of the crisis, one must remember that BOTH were artificially skewed by regulations such as Dr. Sowell mentions and by the Fed’s too-free money policy. The malinvestment that GOVERNMENTAL actions caused precipitated the crisis. Dr. Sowell’s is correct.

Further, there’s no cure for the asset devaluation that has occurred in some magical switch in accounting rules (from “mark to market” ). The losses experienced in the lending sector are quite real and, while not as large as one might think given the size of the US economy, it doesn’t take a great financial shift to have a huge impact when depositor funds are tied up in long term instruments like mortgages. Dismissing the liquidity issues as a mere accounting problem is absurd.

The S&L crisis, BTW, was precipitated by legislation introduced by the Democratic congressman from Florida (regulation CAUSED the crisis); and the fraud that lead to the downfall of Enron and Worldcom took place while Bill Clinton was president. The regulatory solution (Sarbanes-Oxley) costs the economy more every single year than did BOTH scandals (plus Global Crossing, etc.) combined and didn’t do anything to prevent what happened (direct fraud). The problem, in this case, isn’t a “failure of government to do its job”; it’s a failure on JM’s part to do basic research and deal with reality.

Similarly, Congress’ chief function is to misidentify problems, create new regulations to “cure” them and then create new regulations to “fix” the mess. Just look at the move to restrict oil speculators for “driving up prices” when that is ECONOMICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Bankrupt Exploiters
While I agree with everything you have said
I have not seen any statistics showing that cra loans make up any sizable percentage of the subprime loan debacle. What I do know is that the rating agencies took a conglomeration of junk loans and gave them A ratings and a much larger derivative market was built on this garbage. The bottom line is that had all these borrowers read
Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy, or taken a book keeping course, or had
JA (Junior Achievement) in school, they would not have borrowed the money to begin with and we would not be in this mess.

There is a way...
to either prove or disprove Sowell's point: look and see who's defaulting. So what seems more plausible as an explanation for the current crisis: Congress mandating that banks lend to "blacks" and that they have overwhelmingly defaulted, or that banks in their effort to make money, loaned to borrowers with shaky credit at higher interest rates? These loans could then be bundled together with their promise of higher cash flows and form the basis of a security that could then be traded. The entire idea was to generate as many high interest loans as possible - this is why folks were being steered to ARMs and other unconventional loans even when they would have qualified for a 30 year fixed loan.

Additionally, consider that as the housing market continued to heat up, those with good credit who intended to purchase may have already done so. As a result, there were fewer credit applicants with good credit, and the banks began offering credit to less creditworthy customers to keep the good times rolling.

HQARLEM SHUFFLE
For me there is the redefinition of Harlem. Forced to find cheaper digs in NYC and wanting Manhattan I chose to look see above 125 Street. The building was old and the social mix different so I naturally being a "typical white person" (that SOB called me a 'racist') was certain I would be mugged, rolled, maimed, murdered within six months.

Two years, I love Harlem and the people I share building and neighborhood safety with.

Ken
It appears to me you are confusing a symptom with the catalyst of the subprime meltdown. You accurately pointed out several consequences that occurred AFTER the catalyst. What was the catalyst that started the ball rolling? Well-intentioned but harmful governmental regulation. The government intended to end discrimination. What it did was cause a bubble and we are seeing how it is playing out now.

Markets function very well without arrogant government agents causing distortions in the market with their "feel-good policies" designed to get more donations and votes from the NAACP and Hispanics. The law of unintended consequences always kicks in when mere mortals start tinkering with the omniscient wisdom of the free market. What arrogance to think a committee is smarter than the collective wisdom of the free market!

IN a nutshell, that is one big thing wrong with Obama's campaign; he segments society into groups to be treated specially. McCain talks about Americans as a whole as it should be. Obama talks about victimized groups segmenting America into little groups often distinguished by their gender, income, race, religion, etc. The class warfare game has worked well for liberals as they exploit ignorance amongst their followers.

The professional do gooders
Manage to screw up jsut about everything. What they miss is finished off by politicians.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
I have read that while Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's stock was heading south, they gave the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push organization $100,000 and $150,000 respectively as well as a million dollar grant for literacy programs. Rev. Jackson then charged the churches that wanted the literacy program, $1,000 each.
Where and when will all of the nonsense end????

Heads up for all !
The insurance companies who back these loans and and have taken it on the chin...stock value wise...are going to soon be rid of the apparent obligations that they have been sold down for.

Fraudulant Loans...are not insured...think about it :)

Steve -- you have it backwards
Let's get over this construct of Sowell's that it was regulation -- the laws against redlining and for community reinvestment -- that were the proximate cause here. He flat made that up. There has not been a single study of the subprime collapse that shows either of these are even minor causes. That is Sowell's straw man and, as usual, he beats him to death.

There are a few ideologically-oriented analysts who have bent over backwards trying to find a way to blame it on CRA dna redline statiutes, but even they admit that by far the largest majority of bad loans were made by independent mortgage companies who are not subject to CRA requirements. Thomas di Lorenzo is one of these and his evidence is pretty laughable if you understand the markets.

What truly insults me about Dr. Sowell's column is that he does not even make a feeble effort to prove that CRA and redline laws caused the problem. He just makes that assumption and expects us to swallow it. It's baloney and he knows it.

Nice try
First, a "strawman" is an oversimlified or mischaracterized position attributed to someone else that can be easily destroyed, so the characterization is erroneous. Second, the position that government regulation was a (not necessarily THE) cause of the crisis is not mere speculation but is consistent both with the most basic of economics and the wellestablished realworld impact of such regulation. Third, as stated before the statement that most of the loans made were not DIRECTLY affected by CRA is true but COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. The impact of such intevention into the marketplce affects the marketplace as a whole, feeds into market pricing and the availability of credit.

In each and every case, your assertions and characterizations of the debate are incorrect ... unlike Dr. Sowell's.

Fletch
I had been wondering where you might be.I would have never thought, that you had been committed.The summary you gave was beyond asinine.What was even more pathetic was you said it as if it were true.Predatory lending is tremendously destructive,from balloon mortgages to "No Doc" loans.Also,if Americans knew anything about economics,which they don't,they wouldn't have to wait on the government,they could control the economy themselves.If you support Dr.Sowell's position it has to be politics,cause it sure as hell isn't economics!

Killer,
With a name like "killer", how is anyone to take seriously anything you have to say?

On Accusations of "Strawman" Arguments
Ok, since this is supposed to be about Thomas Sowell’s column, let me take an actual look at Dr. Sowell’s column. If there is a “strawman” or some such there, one of our leftist buddies can tell us which paragraph is supposed to be the exaggeration or falsehood.

I will number the paragraphs for brevity, with a few keywords so you can refer to it quickly.

1. I will allow that “editorials disguised as ‘news’” might torque off some of our buddies who think the NYT is Gospel and that Mao Zedong illustrates a historical figure who is “mildly left-leaning”. Otherwise, this paragraph is true.

2. “willful determination” true

3. “Blaming the lenders” true

4. “down that road” true

5. “moral outrage” true

6. “get Congress to pass laws” true

7. “redlining” true

8. “Some people are more easily overwhelmed” true

9. “common sense” true

10. “racial differences” true

11. “More important” true

12. “Shocking” true

13. “Politicians” true

14. “government intervention ... that created the problem” ALWAYS true

15. “pressured lending institutions” true.

On this paragraph in particular: some are claiming that only a fraction of the lending institutions were required to follow CRA rules. What these people ignore is that this AFFECTS THE WHOLE MARKET. It’s like laws requiring government contractors to perform random drug testing. This “trickles down” into the marketplace such that more and more private companies, with no government contracts whatsoever, are now following suit. Yes, you CAN find employers who don’t, but they’re getting fewer and fewer.

16. “blown up” true

17. “Politics is largely the process of taking credit and putting the blame on others” BOY is that ever true.

SO –- I should like to ask, WHAT strawman? Which paragraph in Dr. Sowell’s column exaggerates anything even in the slightest?

house ownership
I've asked again and even Barrons' what is the threshhold limit on home ownership, since breaching the upper 60% level gets into the dead zone! It would take a corpse mind to think that a transient society of relative even age demographics with mobility in mind, that alternative options for a bed would consumate a significant portion of requirement? That would leave the fundamental cash flow to sustain maintainence and taxes an impediment to ownership beyond a certain level....is there an established known number?

Here's an example
Government intrusion causes gyrations.

I got a subprime a few years ago with a sweet .0512 interest rate, through Heartland, Countrywide picked it up. Stated income.

Haven't been late yet. Nor have I been for over 20 years on anything.

Market goes sour. I am in-process with "Indymac" and they start getting goofy. Wanting more ID..(they already had DL, SS and Passport..) My deal was Stated Income, 105K down on construction project, banked payments for 18 mo. before the loan of 150K on a 298K appraised package. Oh, and a 790 bottom score.

No dice. The second loan was entirely more solid than the first. Government gyrations.

And I'm out a little over 110K profit. It is the Government's fault.

The Liberal Herding Experiment
I read about a man who experimented with taming wild hogs. At first he placed food out and let them feed whenever they wanted, when they became used to eating the handouts he constructed one side of a fence behind the food. The hogs were leery but eventually became accustomed to it and came back for the easy food. He then put up a second piece of fence to which they again shied but eventually succumbed, as they did again when he erected the third piece of fence. By now there was only an opening at the end to get to the food. When all of the hogs were feeding he closed the end with the final section of fence, and after they were through eating they could not find a way out, so they just wandered around inside the fence. After months of just eating and wandering around in the pen, the hogs had lost their skills of fending for themselves and making crucial survival decisions.

Is this not what we are becoming, to allow the liberal Democratic Congress and possibly a future left wing liberal President to dictate what is best for us? I bought my first house 20 years ago, and was scared to death. I did the research and sent out for publications from the government on home loans. (some of you might remember the commercials for Pueblo, CO) After understanding the type of loans, and learning that I should not take out a loan for more than 25% of my take home pay, I made the decision to buy without the worry of losing my home, or blaming somebody else for talking me into something I couldn’t afford. If we cannot take responsibilities for our actions, we are no better than a herd of feasting hogs. Government can be instrumental in helping us make a decision, but do we wan't them making our decisions.

Ken
Dr. Sowell is not the only one saying that absurd governmental regulations caused this bubble debacle. Dr. John Lott actually scooped Dr. Sowell last March 17, 2008 stating the same thing (http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/FoxNewsFinancialMrkt031708.html). Dr. Lott is a senior researcher at the Univ. of Maryland and is highly respected.

The symptoms you described in your post are merely the unintended consequences of liberal good intentions gone astray.... Again. Once lenders were coerced into making loans to unqualified buyers to avoid fines for alleged discrimination, the ball started rolling and mushroomed into what we see today.

Excerpt from Dr. Lott's article
"This all started back in 1992, when a Boston Federal Reserve study claimed to find evidence of racial discrimination. The Fed later used the study to produce a manual for mortgage lenders that: “discrimination may be observed when a lender’s underwriting policies contain arbitrary or outdated criteria that effectively disqualify many urban or lower–income minority applicants.”

So what is on the list of Fed’s “outdated criteria”? Such “discriminatory” factors as the borrower’s credit history, income verification, and the size of the mortgage payment relative to income.

But it turns out that the original study was mistaken.

Economists discovered that there were errors in the data the study used. Some minorities were listed as having wealth up to hundreds of times greater than they actually had, making it look like wealthy minorities were being turned down for loans. When the data errors were corrected minorities with the same financial background as whites had been at no disadvantage in getting mortgages.

There was an expected consequence of these easier loans: minorities were hit by higher foreclosure rates. Ironically, people who point to these higher rates as evidence of discrimination don’t understand that the regulations setup to make it possible to get loans without the qualifications also meant that they are more likely to default."


Excerpt #2 from Dr. Lott
The current mortgage crisis arose because loans were made with virtually nonexistent underwriting standards. There was no verification of income or assets, little assurance of the ability to pay the mortgage, and little or no down payment. So, with rules like these, who wouldn’t have expected defaults? In January, the Federal Reserve stepped in proposing strict regulations on what conditions should be met before loans would be allowed.

Democrats criticized the rules as not going far enough in determining when loans could be made.

But if lending money to people with so little credit worthiness were so obviously such a boneheaded mistake that even non-bankers see it, why would people who had billions of dollars at stake and years of experience lend out money this way?

To critics the answer seems simple: Greed.

Yet, no matter how greedy you are, would you think that loaning money to people who are likely to default with little collateral in their property was the way to riches? Would you lend your money out that way?

Obviously, no.

So, why did they make the loans? Government regulation.


OMG you CONServatives R STUPID 5
What a horribly dishonest ‘thinker’ in regards to economics, responsibilities & duties of government, lack of reality and the human heart.

Look at the economic mess this housing situation has caused that didn’t need to happen. And FYI- 40% of GDP growth over the last 5 years was housing. It’s all gone, no real industry or long term job growth creation. Housing actually hid the terrible economic performance of the Republican congress or administration. 8 years of treading water while creating the largest national debt in the history of the world. Pretty lame record for the conservatives to face up to. You will not gain power again until you all look in the mirror, adjust the ideology to reflect reality & get rid of these ignorant voices like Dr. Sowell know more about knitting propaganda then economics.

As Dr. Phil says, how that workin’ for you?

desert -dweller
It's obvious you are a flamming liberal who can't think for theirself and can only quote exerpts from an Obama blog. You are either on government assistance, or are seaking such. Please submit some substance that is relalvent to the issue, so you don't waste your time or mine.

Thanks, killer
I always enjoy when an agreement between two economists with decades of experience is characterized by a non-economist such that it "can't" be due to economics and must, instead, be due to politics!

It is the "predatory lending" position that is "beyond asinine". It is based upon the premise that lenders will act against their own interests (make loans that ultimately cannot be repaid and therefore lose them money) apparently in order to hurt people and get bad press. Only a complete moron (liberal) believes this. While, as pointed out earlier, there is an incentive for brokers/originators who are NOT the ultimate lender to generate as much loan activity as possible, there is NO incentive for the ultimate lender to advance the credit to those unable to pay it back.

Your stance is contrary to basic economics, common sense and simple reality ... not that it is a surprise at this point.

OMG,desert deluded
You set new standards for factual inaccuracy even for liberals.

The statement that 40% of GDP growth over the last 5 years was due to housing is factually wrong (and easily checked with BEA figures (don’t rely on hacks like Krugman for analysis). Industrial and job growth have been quite real. The national debt isn’t even close to a record in the only way that matters(as a percentage of GDP) and has shrunk. Pretty lame example of research on your part. Now, do you plan ever to lLEARN anything about economics or will you continue to demonstrate nothing more than your own ignorance of the subject?

Fletch
A lender does not benefit from the ills of the loan Originator?Of course they do!A car without fuel does not run and without customers a mortgage company has no purpose or function,other than bankruptcy.Also, I noticed, that there was a conspicuous absence.We call them Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.We all know, that mortgages are rarely held by the mortgage company or bank.Attached to that knowledge is the fact, that these mortgages are sold almost immediately to Freddie or Fannie.I see politics not economics,maybe it's just me..

CRASH, PONZI, ROME

Response to Reply #36, F1etch PA: Addressing economic ignorance

Right. Business runs on margins. Bundling sound mortgages for resale made for big margins. Foreigners saw that and invested. Quietly then, as cheap money dried up the pool of sound borrowers, loans began to be made to subprime borrowers and bundled in tiers into risk rated packages. Bernanke, an expert the CRASH, was chosen to head the Fed.

Why did the Feds, the Treasury, the SEC, Congress, etc., all stand idly by, allowing lending to subprime borrowers at 125% loan to value? To create defaults that would take all the loans in a bundle down and destroy their liquidity.

MARKET loss of $ trillions in paper wealth resulted. A loss the Treasury, Congress, and the American taxpayer will never have to find means to pay. It was the levying of a worldwide excess profits tax, on top of an ordinary, yearly, real inflation tax that had reached 18% by some measures, and rising. PONZI.

Foreigners now know America wants them to gain representation for the taxes they pay through dollar inflation by buying American corporate assets rather than T Bills so that, through K Street, they can have a say in their governance, and will not revolt. ROME.

Wrong again, killer
Independent loan originators earn their transaction fees and sell the instrument to an ultimate lender that expects to earn a return over the life of the loan. The ultimate lender essentially NEVER wins in the case of foreclosure as costs invariably outweigh any benefits (even if there are any from appreciation). Your statement that "of course they do" merely demonstrates (as if it weren't obvious at this juncture) that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Your "car without fuel" analogy is simply silly. Sure, a lender benefits from the existence of delivery channels that can bring in business but ONLY if that business is viable in the long term. If the fuel provided is inferior, the engine stalls ... so maybe the analogy isn't so bad after all. In any event, the fuel does not make the car go any faster.

Actually, what you apperntly do NOT knwo is that mortgages are OVERWHELMINGLY held by mortgage lenders (not by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which are governmental mistakes anyway). They are frequently bundled and sold to OTHER LENDERS to mitigate risk (so that mortages of the same kind or on properties located in one area are not concentrated in any one place). Some mortgages are sold almost immediately. The majority are not.

As Yoda says, "You must unlearn what you have learned", because what you "know" is a bunch of manure.

Ray
Again, you seem to share a couple of false impressions. You are under the mistaken beleif that a significant percentage of mortgage backed securities were purchased by "foreigners" rather than purchased as risk mitigation by other lenders. You are also apparently under the impression that a significant portion of even the subprime portfolio consisted of suborime borrowers getting funds at 125% LTV. Neither is even remotely the case. Virtually NONE of the latter exist. The portfolios DID contain borrowers with subprime credit OR high LTVs OR interest only loans but not typically a combination thereof. If your assessment were even close to correct, then far more than 10% of the subprime portfolio would be in default. It is not.

In any event, it does not change the fact that the Fed's infusion of cheap liquidity into the marketplace (and their subsequent over-correction) that caused the (inevitably) dire economic consequences that resulted.

The losses in non-performing oans are NOT merely paper but have very real implications for the institutions exposed. But there is absolutely NO reason why the taxpayers (via the Treasury) should have to make anyone whole. That is merely another economic mistake proposed by the very source of the problems in the first palce (government).

Not just Federal Government either
It wasn't long ago (2005?) a plethora of news stories came out on how we had hit the highest home ownership ever. Which, in theory, was good as home ownership drove pride and grow perosnal wealth. The problem is with how the lending was done - with low or no money down and little paperwork.

This was partially driven by municipalities and community activist who would 'lobby' local lenders to lend money to the high risk groups at below market rates. These groups are as culpable as the federal government.

If a person has little or no money invested into a property and takes out a loan for the property, they will not necessarily take care of it. Homeownership is a long term investment, not a way to get rich quickly.


Bankrupt exploiters, I and II
What are the names of the politians who are resposible for the federal laws which led to creative financing that are causing the problem now.

What are the names of the politians at the Rederal Reserve System that brought down the interest rate to such low levels?

I tried emailing Dr. Sowell with these questions and more, but I do not think my emails went through.

Mark to market
A respondent here indicated that banks were taking paper loses versus real losses by using an accounting practice of "mark to market". I was wondering if you are an accountant. If not you must realize that paper losses are indeed real losses since they are calculated by assessing the real likelihood that a particular loan will not be collected. Banks do not as a practice simply write loans off, therefore their estimate that a loan will become worthless will usually evidence itself with a real cash loss at a later date. Mark-to-market is an accounting requirement that is meant to conservatively show losses when there is a reasonable likelihood of a loss before the loss is "actual". Sorry for lesson in accounting theory buy we conservatives try to base our opinions on factual reasoning not solely on opinion alone.

Overheard in a Democratic Cloak Room ...
Hey if we force those those rich sob's fail and make it look like their fault we can take over their business and steal from the taxpayers ourselves...Great Idea, GO FOR IT!

Immigrant?
said: "…oil price-induced inflation"

Econ 101: Inflation is the increase of money. Price rises are the result.


Sowell Defines Politics
"Politics is largely the process of taking credit and putting the blame on others-- regardless of what the facts may be."

I liked the Econ 101 post, too.

To the Author of Reply # 148
Are you Ray Hartman?

mrbmrb re: post #17
One word: proofread!

Big Gov't
The bottom line is this: the free market works if allowed. The more government intervention in free markets, the more problems occur.

Although most in Congress would disagree, they cannot possibly know enough to outsmart the collective wisdom of the market.

Business and people must be allowed to fail. It's how we learn and get better. The fact that the government has gotten into the "propping-up" business, has only allowed our society and culture to atrophy.

The government should get out of the way and attend to those things for which it was intended: e.g. protecting our border.

What Rabbit Hole Are You Living In?
While consumers (not just minorities) clearly got in over their heads, lending institutions are at the center of this mess. To argue otherwise is simply naive. Wall Street demanded a steady flow of mortgages which they could package and resell to institutional clients. Lenders happily complied by making loans to subprime credit risks. And the rest is history. Here is one good example of what happened ant Indymac. Read it and weep. http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=141764

bankrupt expoiters
Love it. Had to give you a 5 on this one Tom, as I wrote a "letter to the Editor" on the same theme to my local paper " Barnstable Patriot" oast year. Got some positive feedback on it too. Let's face it Tom we're on the same page about 95% of the time. The only thing a disagree with you on is land conservation. On Cape Cod where I live the Bays and Estuaries are dying. And by far the greatest contributor of nitorgen is human beings ( urine ). Population tripled in last 4 dscades and cape to fragile to handle that much population growth. Keep up the good work Tom. Wish there were more like you. The country would be better off. Warren Nickerson

you used up the truth on this one
how could you have nailed this any better? bravo mr sowell

Give Me A Break
You're attempting to tell us that this whole 700 billion dollar bail out is due to the government forcing lenders to lend to minorities? That's beyond ridiculous! It doesn't even make any sense. No company is going to bankrupt itself to lend to minorities or anyone else. These companies did this to themselves because of greed plain and simple. They took chances on these loans because they saw all the money that was being made by packing these loans into securities and selling them on the open market. Greed caused this just like the internet crash several years back. This is about businesses trying to do whatever they can to turn a profit and that's it. This theory is completely absurd and you'd be a naive consumer to believe otherwise.
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