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Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Lesson From Venezuela
by Thomas Sowell
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People on the left often use other countries as examples of things that we should do. If other countries have a government-run medical system, then we should have one too, they say. If other countries control prices, then we should control prices -- or so the reasoning goes.

Almost never is there any suggestion that we should first find out whether the actual results of the policies we are supposed to imitate are better or worse than what we already have.

There is in fact a lot that we can learn from other countries if we look at the actual consequences of some of the things we are being urged to do, instead of just assuming that we should automatically imitate what others are doing.

Studies have already shown that the waiting time before being able to get surgery is several times as long in a number of countries with government-run medical systems as in the United States. Modern medical technology like MRIs and CAT scans are also rarer in such countries.

Venezuela is currently giving us a lesson on the consequences of price controls. The government of leftist President Hugo Chavez has imposed price controls -- and seems to be surprised that lower prices have lead to reduced supplies, even though price controls have led to reduced supplies in countries around the world and for thousands of years.

There were price controls back in the days of the Roman Empire, under the Pharaohs in Egypt, and in ancient Babylon. There is plenty of history to look at, if we bother.

Price controls under the Roman Emperor Diocletian led to a decline in the supply of goods. The same thing happened under President Richard Nixon's price controls in the 1970s. It has happened in Zimbabwe within the past year.

Rent control laws led to housing shortages in Cairo -- and in Berkeley, Hanoi, Paris, and other cities around the world.

When price controls in Venezuela led to food shortages, Hugo Chavez accused companies of "hoarding" food. The emperor Diocletian was similarly accusatory when his price controls reduced supplies, many centuries ago.

Political leaders always find someone else to blame for the bad consequences of their own policies.

Hugo Chavez has blamed foreign owned companies for Venezuela's food shortages and threatened to "nationalize" them. This too is an old political game that seldom does the people of the country any good.

What is remarkable is how little interest there is among the media and among the public in how often and how consistently this has happened in the wake of price controls.

When politicians today say that they are going to "bring down the cost of medical care" or make housing "affordable," what are they talking about other than price controls?

Do we want a shortage of medical care? Do you want to have to wait for months for surgery -- and suffer needlessly in the meantime, as people do in Canada and Britain?

Behind these wonderful-sounding political "solutions" to our problems is the notion that businesses are just ripping us off with arbitrarily set prices, and that the government can make them stop.

It makes a nice story and it can get votes for politicians who play the role of saviors. But it makes little economic sense. Why do so many businesses have losses, and even go bankrupt, if they can set their prices wherever they want to?

It is not uncommon for companies on the Fortune 500 list to operate in the red. Back during the days of the Great Depression of the 1930s, corporations as a whole operated in the red two years in a row.

They were trying to keep from going under while Franklin D. Roosevelt was denouncing them as "economic royalists." FDR knew how to win elections, even if he didn't know how to get the country out of the Great Depression.

That political lesson has been learned all too well, as much of the strident, anti-business political rhetoric of this election year demonstrates.

Now if only the media and the public had some interest in learning the economic lesson!

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Is this the first post? I think so.
Great article, once again. Price controls and other such government impositions on the free market are always brought about, in the politician's book, to help the "disadvantaged." That's nice rhetoric and there may even be some good intentions there, but the consequences of such policy is to further disadvantage the "disadvantaged" and also to disadvantage a wider scope of others. It also entails a hampering of or economy, as it gets less productive. But we are supposed to ignore the fruits of the policy and focus on only the rhetoric and the disproven claims therein. Government schools taught us well to ignore reason and to respond like Pavlov's dog to the bell ringing of our political leaders. We have lost our ability to think critically on any issue. That's why the media and public don't have any interest in economics, as Dr. Sowell says in his last sentence.

Take away the incentive to make a
profit and the product goes away. Also, innovation comes to screeching halt.

I'm afraid Sens. Clinton & Obama fall into the Chavez camp when it comes to economics. Neither would have any hesitation to impose price controls - and especially in the medical field. Hillary wants universal care and Barack wants a modified form of the same. However, I'm sure when there is a shortage of medical care that Congress will have already anticipated this and created a safety net only they enjoy. Just like the Nomenklatura!

It's even worse than Dr. Sowell explains
Price controls not only create shortages in some things, it can create overages in others.

I heard a story about a Soviet satellite country (and I apologize for not remembering all the details). Apparently, the farmers were feeding their hogs some very high-quality loaves of bread.

Why? Because the mandated price was relatively cheap, and the central control dictated that so many loaves of bread needed to be made. Nevermind whether anybody actually needed that many.

Then there's the other famous story about a mandate to The People's Shoemaker to make 10,000 pairs of shoes. Unfortunately, the People's Leathermaker apparently couldn't provide enough leather.

In a market economy, either the price goes up to equalize the supply and demand, or the quantity goes down. The Soviet Union had forbidden shortages, as if the law of gravity could be repealed. The People's Shoemaker HAD to make 10,000 pairs of shoes OR ELSE -- so -- the People's Shoemaker made 10,000 pairs of shoes -- for boys.

The men have a shortage of shoes, while the boys have an overage. Ah, but none of the bureaucrats got into trouble or lost their jobs, and after all, that's what's important, right?

A command economy can NOT work. It's IMPOSSIBLE for any one person or select group of people to have enough information, even assuming they all have 200 IQ's and saintly ethics. Now you let them be average humans with typical foibles, and you're talking total disaster.

Cyclist
"I'm afraid Sens. Clinton & Obama fall into the Chavez camp when it comes to economics."

As do many Republicans who believe in farm subsidies and ethanol mandates.

The US government should negotiate with the drug companies for the best price as the Canadian government does.
It should be "what the market will bare", not "what the taxpayer will bare."

I ride a Giant TCR2

Venezuela Is Going To End Up Like Cuba
Hugo like fidel has ruined a beautiful country, even with petroleum at his disposal(CITGO) and his ego being stroked by the Hollywood left-wing male elite Mr. Chavez is woefully unequipped to handle the myriad of problems facing Venezuelans. Their national medical system is one of the the major problems, but he has the gall to run those idiotic ads with what's his face Kennedy, about providing energy for America's poor, all the while ignoring poor Venezuelans-now with price controls in effect I feel sorry for them.

BIGbelly
are you kidding? Oil reached $101 a barrel today. Hugo has a big smile on his face.

Congress
Congress makes decisions every day that affect our lives significantly, sometimes in unintended ways. Congress has few doctors, a few educators, a few military "experts" and all the rest are lawyers and professional politicians. There are no economists. Congress makes laws they themselves don't understand. They can't read, apparently. They certainly haven't read the Constitution. And they clearly haven't read Dr. Sowell. That's unacceptable. I think each session should be opened with a prayer and a reading from Sowell or Walter Williams. Being ignorant is not the worst characteristic: CHOOSING to be ignorant is the ultimate disgrace.

When I was 15 years old...
...I paid 5 cents for a newspaper,but the greedy newspaper owners have gotten control of the industry and now charge up to 50 cents for a newspaper,for their own selfish reasons.What we need is a federal law mandating no more than 5 cents for the New York Times and we could be back in the days massive dailey newspaper sales,the way it used to be!

Elect me president!

It is bear not bare and if the US
follows Canada's example, there will be fewer new drugs and a lesser supply of existing drugs. Basic Economics 101, zapdoodat.

Bush Lied, Hugo's Economy Died
The media have very effectively made people believe Bush's a liar about so many things. Most prominently about Iraq's WMD's. They've very effectively painted him as dishonest. If they can do that about something that isn't true. Why can't they make the point and get people to believe that price controls don't work? Why don't they make the point that over and over again that price controls are a disaster?

It's the media, stupid!
The media have very effectively made people believe Bush's a liar about so many things. Most prominently about Iraq's WMD's. They've very effectively painted him as dishonest. If they can do that about something that isn't true. Why can't they make the point and get people to believe that price controls don't work? Why don't they make the point that over and over again that price controls are a disaster?

Ethanol mandates

As mentioned above, ethanol mandates are directly linked to the massive price increases for corn and all corn-based products. All this Global warming nonsense is the cause for out-of-control inflation numbers today since government is mandating more ethanol use to control the climate.

So, all you libs and enviro-nuts ought to be patting yourself on the back for today's inflation numbers. Don't be whining about the economy since we're now controlling global-warming.

Why bother
Much of the problem can be laid at the peoples feet. Giving the time and effort necessary to pay attention to what's going on is far too much to expect of the average person. Besides, there is far too much importatn stuff to know without having to clutter you brain with economics, world affairs, and what politicians are really saying and doing.

You have to remember who wore what at which awards presentation, who won American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, the world series 8 years ago and keep up with who and what which celebrity is doing. The list of important things is endless.

If I try to explain some of these things to my lib inlaws I'm met with either blank stares or louder defense of the undefendable.

Excellent, as usual, Dr. Sowell
You always bring up undeniable facts, prove them over and over, yet the sheeple are still being herded over the cliff.

What a bunch of dummies my country has become. It seems like fewer 1 out of 100 or 1000 people read and understand Drs Sowell & Williams, much less have read Milton Friedman.

I flunked Econ 101 (well, actually got an incomplete from a lib prof who hated Nam vets) but I'm still smarter about economics than 99.9% of the gubmint and sad to say probably 99.999% of the population in general.

Elect me because like Pres Bush, I could care less about the lies, smear and fear tactics of the opposition and will institute the policies that are correct and avoid those which have been proven wrong, again and again - like "free" health care, price controls and subsidies.

Remember the California Energy Crisis?
In California they had limits on how much energy companies could charge for electricity, but they deregulated the cost these companies paid for power. This led to the energy crisis and the media reported that the problem was deregulation.

Not once did I hear them say it was due to government intervention in the relationship between supply and demand.

There are lots of otherwise conservative people who have the reflex solution of government intervention when prices don't go the way they want. They seldom realize that government intervention almost always makes the situation worse.

A few weeks ago
I was listening to Dennis Prager on the radio, and someone wanted to know why everyone(including Dennis) referred to Barack Obama as an intelligent person. They also call Hillary an extremely intelligent person. His point was, if socialists can't understand the basics of economics and can't learn from history what about them is intelligent?

Dennis countered that Obama was obviously bright because he was quick on his feet and could answer people with an eloquent tongue. Dennis said people like Barack and Hillary lack wisdom not intelligence.

To me their ability to hold an audience is just evidence of charm or charisma or someone well trained in the party's rhetoric.

Those who want to continue making the same mistakes over and over that have proven disastrous for other countries are not demonstrating intelligence in my book.

Just goes to show ..
... that liberals are incapable of learning--and so are the idiots who vote for them.

The Debates
Obviously, you haven't been watching the democratic debates. They both say their health care plans will keep quality high. None of the debate moderators or opponents have challenged them on it, and the candidates say it over and over, so it must be true. Asking them to prove it would shatter the illusion they've carefully crafted, might keep their plan from being implemented, and would just be mean because it implies the candidates are either lying or stupid. Admit it, you hate poor people and are trying to commit poverty genocide by cruelly denying them health coverage. Wow, playing devil's advocate is surprisingly fun and easy.

Comments
Politicians are wont to say that they will "bring down the cost of health care," which they cannot do. What they mean is that they will, by force of law, impose artificial limits on the price that consumers must pay for their medical care, that is, price controls, which as so many have poointed out already, are always disasterous.
Politicians, especially Democrat politicians, lie to refer to peorple having a "right" to health care. This is also a fallacy, because medical care is not, and cannot ever be, a "right." A "right" is something that can be exercised by everyone, equally, such as the right to freedom of speech, even though that has been unconstitutionally abridged by the actions of McCain and Feingold, and the inaction of Bush, or freedom of religion. Furthermore, for person A to exercise a "right," it is not necessary for some other person to do something, else it is not a right, but a form of welfare.
Medical care does not qualify, because it is a combination of goods and services, all of which have to be paid for by someone.
Similarly, there is no "right" to housing, food, clothing, entertainment, or transportation. These are all "consumables," and what is consumed, must be produced. IF the consumer is not simultaneously the producer, then he must pay the producer for the goods and services.
There is not such thing as a free lunch.

Canadian Medical system


Take a look at:

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php


Kraut, I hear you!
I've tried explaining this to my liberal family and friends and they are all schooled in the DailyKos talking points and refuse to believe anything else. They simply change the subject when you prove them wrong.

I am trying to get them to read Dr. Sowell's books, "Applied Economics", and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" but so far only my fellow conservative family is interested. Liberals hate facts that get in the way of their myths.

I have
2 yrs supply of wheat and grains, a year of water and a year's worth of canned and dried food. I'm not an alarmast, but we are to be prepared. I figure 2 yrs of Obama, andhe'll be quite unpopular. So much so, that he'll be blessed with an veto-proof GOP house and Senate. Then, in 2012, a man with true values, experience and a grasp on the economy and world, Mitt Romeny, can ride in and help save the country. All those who would 'never vote for a Mormon' will be greatly humbled by this man, and will cast a vote knowing their 'christian values' are truly represented. Obama will retire, go on speaking/motvational tours and hang out at the country clubs.

Reducing Cost of Health Care
Not one candidate has offered the obvious solution: increase the supply of health care by reducing taxes on it. For example, there is currently a huge shortage of nurses, caused in part by a shortage of nursing educators. A bill exempting income earned by nursing educators from federal income tax would solve this problem. Likewise, get rid of government regulations--period. Abolish the FDA and limit government's role to assuring a fraud-free market in drugs. Thus, a manufacturer could choose to seek approval from a private certifying organization run by doctors, and a patient and doctor together could decide whether or not to limit their choice of drugs to those drugs which are so approved. Get rid of insane and unconstitutional federal laws (HIPAA) which mandate endless paperwork in doctors' offices. And finally, reduce demand for health care--stop importing consumers who can't pay. My community hospital just announced that it is closing because it continues to lose money treating illegal aliens.

new ed
The problem was the fact that the deregulation did not allow long-term contracts and that allowed short-run manipulation of prices by restricting supply. The news was out there -- whether people paid attention to it is another thing.

On a different note, I'm glad for Hugo Chavez. I'm glad he's going the extra mile to show just how bad his economic policies can be. He'll show the rest of the world that if you intervene in markets too much, you do so to the detriment of your entire country. He already lost the support of people when he asked for control over the money supply (I almost wish they had given him that control so he could have misused it and then he'd get booted out of office). Hugo Chavez is the best thing to happen to American conservatives in a long time. Just wait a few years and we'll have great examples of what happens when the government tries to run everything, even when they say they're doing it "for the good of the people."

M Sedroff
You make a good point. I would make a distinction between intelligence and wisdom.

You can be very intelligent, but have no wisdom. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I interpret that to mean humility. I may be smart, but my creator is smarter. If you have no humility you can't even consider that you might be wrong.

John McCain could run on wisdom.



Florida's Property Insurance
Florida’s property insurance market is a perfect example of government interference and price controls. We here in Florida now have fascistic state run insurance company that is the largest insurer in the state. It has $450 Billion in exposure and $2 Billion in the bank. This has all been the result of an over regulated industry here in Florida and it is getting worse. Mr. Sowell should spend some time on this crisis. I am sure he could pick this mess apart and maybe people would start to wake up.

Quit with all these 'facts'!
Don't you know fascist left wingers HATE facts? Cut it out, you're making Phylo and lilly mad!

harm
Great Post! Your Govenor was elected on playing the populist role. I have family in Fla, I keep telling them that insurance companies will leave the state if they don't figure things out down there.

The ''knowledge problem''
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In *Basic Economics* (2000), Dr. Sowell failed to address Hayek's "Knowledge Problem" or von Mises' analysis of the calculation problem.

Here's what Dr. Sowell is (and has been) missing in his discussion of Venezuela and the suicidal stupidity of government wage/price controls (whether they're perpetrated by socialist Hugo Chavez or "Rockefeller Republican" Richard Milhouse Nixon).

To put it straightforwardly: without information provided by market prices it is impossible to rationally allocate resources.

That's it.

When a government intervenes to "control" prices in the marketplace, that action deranges the mechanism by which resources are produced, allocated, and used.

Ever wonder why we say: "the free market"? Know what it means?

It means "free of *GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION*"

Wage and price controls have been around - as Dr. Sowell has noted - throughout recorded history.

And it has *ALWAYS* screwed things up.

The free market is a relatively recent concept (as a theoretical concept under direct reasoned analysis, it dates back only to the 16th Century at the very earliest), but it's proven to be robust as hell.

Which is why politicians and those who suck unto government intervention (whether they're socialists or monarchists, "Liberals" or RINOs, corporate fat-cats or "Union Label" Hoffa-types) hate the free market with every ounce of venom in their poisonous personalities.

Your freedom is their enemy.

Understand that?

They're not your "friends," no matter how Obama-ishly they schmooze at you.

They hate you. They have plans for you, and those plans require that you be chained at wrist and ankle, blindfolded, and helpless.

Controlled.

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Pundits?
It is refreshing to hear your voice, pundits just said that Obama is the best suited to be the President, no one has said about the consequences of the non sense of the policies proposed by Omaba or Clinton as well as McCain.

I will hear them complain about all the bad things that will happen to this country. No one is aware of it except you.

Let me congratulate and admire you a little more than before. Thanks for letting the people know what it is coming next.



Basic Econ Instruction Needed
Why is it I had to get to college and take an econ course before I began to get a clue about how our economic system works? The same is true now, some 35 years later. Can you imagine how well our economy would work if everyone in high school were taught from Dr. Sowell's book on basic economics?
Also, the media wouldn't be able to get away with demagoging about how bad the economy is, because most Americans would know better. Our citizens ignorance on how capitalism actually works (myself included despite being part of it for 60 years) is breathtaking. Dr. Sowell's insights in his book are illustrative of how ignorant most of us are of how our economic system works.

For Ralph
There is basic economic education going on in our public schools. The young skulls full of mush are taught (indoctrinated) communism.

Trade-Offs
What people do not understand is that there are trade-offs to any policy. Thomas Sowell mentions that in his books and columns.

For example, price caps on health care would reduce bankruptcies due to medical bills, while increasing the time one must wait for a medical procedure.

M Sederoff
Intelligence is an innate ability. It can be increased by education, but intelligence does not imply, even less so EXply, common sense (or as Mr. Prager would call it, wisdom).

Also, education is different than knowledge. I assume you are familiar with both Ken Jennings and Marilyn Vos Savant. Ms. Vos Savant is much more intelligent than is Mr. Jennings, however, I would bet the ranch and the main house of my brother's ranch that Mr. Jennings would defeat Ms. Vos Savant soundly in a head-to-head game of "Jeopardy!"

Further, all the intelligence and education in the world is not going to serve in drawing conclusions if you start with a thesis that is incorrect. The classic example of this is Ptolemy. Ptolemy was brilliantly intelligent and exquisitely educated. Through this and his hard work, he produced a map of the heavens that accurately showed the motion of celestial bodies and was able to predict eclipses, etc. So brilliant was/is Ptolemy's work, it is still used today by astronomers the world over. But there is one little problem. Ptolemy was wrong. His map of the universe is absolutely incorrect, because, you see, he started with the thesis that the Earth is the center of the universe and that the universe moves around it. But Ptolemy was brilliant, and that cannot be changed.

Another example is Marx. His Communist Manifesto is brilliant work, but his thesis was wrong and so are his conclusions. Statism works on paper. Heck, statism is a freaking utopia. On paper. But Marxism has failed everywhere it has been tried.

So, I have no beef with anyone rightly pointing out that Obama and Mrs. Clinton are intelligent. And one cannot argue that they are not well-educated. But they are either so ignorant of history or so blinded by lust for power that they lack common sense. And wisdom.

For Roger and Longwalker
I can remember in 1987 or 1988, Canada tried to attract pharmas to invest by changing its onerous patent laws (which were copied off British counterparts in WW1, and not amended--unlike in UK, where they were scrapped when their purpose reached an end) which forced drug-manufacturers to reveal their formulas (developped with much time and expense) to their competitors--of course, it turned out a 70-years-late damp squib.

Nam65-66
Considering The State that The NYT is in, 5 cents is 500% TOO HIGH a price for it!

John Shaft
Good Morning! Head to Limbaugh's or Malkin's columns, that's where the action is!

Dr. Sowell
You forgot how LIBERAL MATH works:

Feelings=Facts

Intentions=Results

SJ Doc
In chapter 5, under the subheading "The Coordination of Knowledge," Sowell talks about the exact thing you say he overlooks. I don't know which version of the book you have, but in the one I have, it's right there from pages 72-76.

spirit crow
Ethanol mandates

Bush and the Republican controlled Congress first passed ethanol mandates as a response to our 'addiction to oil.' Nothing to do with global warming argument.

In fact, it is just a handout to the mid-west. It's time to get these teat-sucking corn farmers off the government sow.

Lower the boiling point
The sorts of economic schemes that Sowell describes here remind me of a political party that (satirically) had policies like "lower the boiling point of water to conserve energy".

There are the laws of physics and the laws of economics, and neither change just to make our lives better.

TH goofed, that's not the real jim

jim writes: Wednesday, February, 27, 2008 9:00 AM
Fascist-Left Fidel and Hugo the Horrible
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Don't know how my name can be used by someone else.

I want you to know the writer noted above is not the jim you have come to know and love so much.

Get your own name, who ever you are.

When I worked for the Akron Beacon Journal in the mid-1940s, I was Jimmy 3, because there were so many of us.

But only one of a kind on TH, please.

Phoooooneeeeeey


jim writes: Wednesday, February, 27, 2008 9:00 AM
Fascist-Left Fidel and Hugo the Horrible
==============
And by the way, if you try to open the site address he gives (I will not repeat it here), you get a message that it is a phoney, and may be trying to cause a problem.

History
The common man on the street has hardly any knowledge about history and the younger the person is, absolutely no idea of history other than what his or her history picture books in school present to them.

My daughter was taking a college history class and was telling me about the book. I asked to see it and was amazed at how much history was left out because of all the pictures.

I just finished reading Thomas Sowell's Economic Facts and Fallacies. It is uncanny how he can present the way things really are. As a matter of fact I have read all of his books and they are the same thoughts as mine.

Rich not Wealthy
"I am trying to get them to read Dr. Sowell's books, "Applied Economics", and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" but so far only my fellow conservative family is interested. Liberals hate facts that get in the way of their myths."

Same problem here. I read all the lame brained books by Steinem, Moore, etc that my brothers give me. I gave my brother Basic Economics for Christmas this year, and he just told me he hasn't read it because "it's so big!"

And he's the "intellectual!"

longwalker
Basic Economics 101 - yeah, if you're a Marxist!

Look at consumer electronics. Brutal competition and very little government intervention.

MP3 and DVD players, HDTV's, digital cameras, personal computer hardware and software, to name a few, get cheaper and better every year because free markets and competition work.

The US government does negotiate prices when purchasing new pc's with Dell, Microsoft or whoever.

This is economics 101 in a book for capitalists. Grin and bare it.

Dr. Sowell
Excellent point. Why aren't you running for our first black president? That is the question that should be asked of every candidate in every race across the land.

Get off this messiah worship/rock star business and ask the hard questions. If we've had all this experience over all these years with liberal, conservative and compromises why can't we determine the most efficient course and start cutting the inefficient???

Hello, because of loser politicians. When are you people going to wake up? There are some good ones out there. Let's let them stay and throw the rest out. And sorry dims but that means most of yours!!!

spirit crow
It takes 1000 BTU's of oil or gas to cook corn into a gallon of ethanol which has 950 BTU's of energy.

Any global warming comrade thinks this whole idea is NUTS.

Cooking sugar cane into ethanol takes a lot less energy.

Ethanol mandates in the USA are a wealth redistribution scheme, that transfers money from east and west coast states to America's Heartland states.


Jersey48
I am about to write an essay on my blog about ending government licensing and going to competing private certification for the medical field, as well as eliminating fda approval and prescription controls. Basically going to an entirely private certification process, as we have successfully used in a number of fields. (Eg. Your auto mechanic is certified -- or not -- by a non-government body, but that does not mean that all auto mechanics are incompetent. Nor does ending the stranglehold of state licensing boards mean that medicine will decline in quality. Just because the state is not involved it does not mean quality will decline, nor does state involvement do much to guarantee quality.)

I recently wrote about how the requirement of prescription for birth control pills amounts to make work for gynecologist, who are guaranteed two visits a year form every patient who wants pills. (That should get an angry response from at least one gynecologist. Though many gynecologists admit as much, saying they require a rx because women "should see their gynecologist twice a year". That is pretty much the definition of make-work, forcing people to use your service whether they want to or not.)

Well, just glad to hear someone else saying something similar, even if you and I don't necessarily agree on every point.

right...defense - I'd gotten...
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...the first edition (2000).

If Dr. Sowell has made revisions to amend the minor deficits (with regard to key Austrian school analyses), it's encouraging to know that he's capable of profiting from the extensive critique uttered at the time of the book's initial publication.

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We never copy the good stuff!
Like Mexico's immigration laws or South Korea's approach to education!! Its always policies that bring ruin!

To Clarify (Jersey48 pt2)
I only added that final sentence to hedge my bets. I know that I have no problem with what you proposed in your post, but I have no idea if you agree with all that I propose. I was hesitant to assume agreement, so I added those final words.

I did not want to sound as if I were disagreeing with your original post. In truth I am in complete agreement as far as I can tell.

Venezuelan folly

SJ Doc,
Nice post. One other often undesirable outcome of price controls is the black market for goods that are out of balance with respect to supply and demand. I say undesirable, not because they are bad in and of themselves, but because being illegal, they tend to be operated or overrun by organized crime.

Dr. Sowell
Great article, as always. Based on the Soviet experience, where government controlled everything from birth to grave, that's exactly what happened. Government controls the prices on all products and pays salaries and wages to all workers. It can manipulate prices any way it think advantageous for the communist system.
A bottle of brandy that costs 3 rubles today is priced 6 rubles tomorrow as "demanded by the workers of the Ural metallurgy plant because brandy is a luxury item"; as a compensation, the price for a pair of socks, a "necessary" item, is decreased from 69 cents to 67 cents. Glory to the Soviet government, long live Communism!
It is a miracle the Soviet Union survived some 70 years. Do we want to replicate that system in America? It seems to me the Democratic Presidential candidates are trying to outperform each other to do just that. What they need is to read Dr. Sowell's works, at least a couple of pages a day. That will give us a real hope.

Military Has Government Healthcare
If you want to see Government Healthcare in full operation, go to Walter Reed. Well, actually, that would be the top tier.

Too many people complain about the healthcare of our military, but, in the same, breath they want us all to have the same. How smart is that?

We do not need Socialized or Government healthcare. We just need cheaper healthcare. Who is working on that?

On Health Care
I wish I could say this was my own quote, but John Stossel had a brilliant quote on Health Care when he said: "If it weren't for America, the countries around the world that have socialized medicine wouldn't be able to continue down that road. It's because these countries feed off America's technology that they can continue their big government health care."

Rilaly
"It's because these countries feed off America's technology that they can continue their big government health care."

Great news! All on the back of the US taxpayer.
No wonder the dollar hit another all-time low against the Euro.

It's time to get the teat-sucking pharmaceutical companies off the government sow and expose them to market forces (for once), the law of supply and demand, and price negotiations like any other company in the dreaded private sector. Alan Greenspan exuberantly refers to this as the creative-destructive process of the free-market.

The same drug selling 3 times cheaper in Canada is not free-market driven!






zapadoodat
Let the same litigation risk expose itself to Canada and you'll see their prices increase as well.

Come on TH, get rid of this phoney!!!


jim writes: Wednesday, February, 27, 2008 9:00 AM
Fascist-Left Fidel and Hugo the Horrible
Venezuela: Si! CUBAzuela: No !!

Abajo La Revolucion Chavista-Bolchevista !!

En Cuba: Abajo El Gulag Guevara !!



******************************************

JIM GUIRARD
TrueSpeak Institute
TrueSpeak.org
703-768-0957
Justcauses@aol.com

===================

That's not the real jim.

How did he steal my name?

And don’t try that web site, it says it is a phoney and might ruin your computer.

oldsocialworker
do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?

oldsocialworker
everyone bargains for the best price for their pharmaceutical needs and the cost of litigation is shared by all.

"Chavez Assassinated"
How I would love to click here and read those two words. Pat Robertson was right. Taking the Dumbo-eared-short-guy syndrome-having Chavez "behind the barn" early on would've saved the Venezuelan people much grief.

Coffee260 writes:
BUSH LIED (WHATEVER/WHOMEVER) DIED

You make the point that the MSM has sold the idea to the masses that Mr Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. I'll grant that the MSM has pretty much ignored past statements made by prominent DEMS supporting the belief that Saddam was dangerous because he had WMDs, however that info is readily available on the Internet, for instance I, an ordinary bloke when it comes to computer searches, was able in one short session to turn up statements affirming the danger of Saddam's WMDs made by Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Maddie Albright, SecDef Bill Cohen and Senators Hillary Clinton, Chas. Schumer, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd and Jay Rockerfeller. All were dated between 1997 and 2002 and from their content, I would guess, were based on CIA intelligence from that period.

So, the question is were these people all lying, as the MSM claims the President was? I doubt it, after all George Tenet felt it was a Slam Dunk at the time.

My belief is that the MSM has been preaching to a BushHate choir, which had already made up its mind about the matter and is deliberately ignoring the facts for political purposes.



Zapdoodat
Why is it that when a drug company has a patent expire, competing companies begin selling the generic version for significantly less than the "name brand". I mean, dont they want to screw over the consumers as well?

The reason is because the companies who make the generic do not have any R&D dollars tied up in the drugs they copy. On the other hand, the company that designed the drug may take years to recoup its investment. Now I am NOT saying that other companies should not be able to sell a generic. What I am demonstrating is that the Free Market system WORKS. Before the patent on the drug that I take expired, I was paying almost three times what I am now.


Having been at the MERCK facility in Centerpoint PA I can tell you there is a reason drugs are so expensive. They owned a machine that washed their animal cages in the 80s and 90s. I serviced that machine. It cost them a quarter of a million dollars. And that is in late seventies money.

I know you think the drug industry exists to rob you blind and screw over the public, but the fact is this world depends on the products they make.

And NO I dont work for a drug company and have not done service for any of them in years. Nor would I want to, since getting in and out is almost as hard as getting into the pentagon.

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