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Monday, June 08, 2009
Robert Knight :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Nation's Low View of Christianity
by Robert Knight
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President Obama’s comment to French television on June 1 that the United States is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world,” plus his Islam-praising speech in Cairo, Egypt on June 4, raise anew questions about his own faith and how he views America.  

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Questions can also be asked about his math. The CIA Factbook estimates America’s Muslim population at 0.6 percent, or about 1.8 million, which puts it in 58th place among nations’ total Muslim populations. Even if you take the Islamic Information Center’s high estimate of 8 million, that still puts the U.S. at 29th out of 60 nations.

In Cairo, Obama quoted from the Koran, used his middle name of Hussein, and indicated that the United States and Muslim nations have the same commitment to tolerance and freedom. To fathom the absurdity, think about the possibility of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution springing from the pens of Islamic scholars Thomas al-Jefferson and James al-Madison.

Over the past three years, Obama has made it his business to insist that “we are no longer a Christian nation.”  He has said it in many places, here and abroad. In 2006, in Washington, D.C., he said, “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation. At least, not just.” He posted the same sentiment on his campaign website.

At the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Pennsylvania on April 13, 2008, he said, “We are not just a Christian nation. We are a Jewish nation; we are a Buddhist nation; we are a Muslim nation; Hindu nation; and we are a nation of atheists and nonbelievers.”

In Turkey, at a press conference on April 10, he said:  “Although we have a large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values. I think modern Turkey was founded with a similar set of values.”

During the presidential campaign, the media pounced on anyone who inquired into Obama’s Muslim upbringing in Indonesia, his two Muslim fathers or his later 20-year attendance at radical pastor Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Now, his Muslim roots are touted as an asset.

No one can say for sure what Obama actually believes, since only God can know the human heart. So we are left examining his words and actions. 

The media-enforced line for the past three years has been that he is a self-described mainstream Christian, end of story. Even when Obama badly distorted Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount into a clarion call to accept homosexuality, the press yawned. They yawned (or cheered) when he mocked the Bible’s relevance for politics in that 2006 Washington, D.C. speech:

“Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is okay? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith, or should we just stick with the Sermon on the Mount, a passage which is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application. Folks haven’t been reading the Bible.”

More cheers came when he spoke the language of unity while taking a shot at his political opponents during a speech at the United Church of Christ convention in 2007:

“Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked. Part of it's because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who've been all too eager to exploit what divides us.

“We can recognize the truth that's at the heart of the UCC: that the conversation is not over [God needs an editor]; that our roles are not defined [men in dresses, unite]; that through ancient texts and modern voices, God is still speaking [yes, we’re ripping out pages of the Bible daily to suit our appetites], challenging us to change not just our own lives, but the world around us …hate has no place in the hearts of believers.”

Is it not hateful to suggest that people who disagree with you are full of “hate?” Is it unifying to accuse opponents of inventing fights that they didn’t start? 

More odd things have been happening since Obama’s election that should give pause to even the most cynical observers.

On the Saturday before Obama’s swearing-in, V. Gene Robinson, the openly homosexual Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire, gave an invocation at a pre-inaugural event at the Lincoln Memorial. The New York Times interviewed him beforehand:

“Bishop Robinson said he had been rereading inaugural prayers through history and was ‘horrified’ at how ‘specifically and aggressively Christian they were.’ Bishop Robinson said, ‘I am very clear that this will not be a Christian prayer, and I won’t be quoting Scripture or anything like that. The texts that I hold as sacred are not sacred texts for all Americans, and I want all people to feel that this is their prayer.’”

As one of his first judicial appointments, Obama named Indiana federal judge David Hamilton to the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Hamilton, who had ruled that a pastor could not invoke the name of Jesus in an opening prayer for the Indiana legislature, said that, on the other hand, invoking Allah at a public event is fine.

In April, it was reported that Obama appointed Harry Knox, a Catholic-bashing homosexual activist, to the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Knox, who directs the religion program at the largest gay pressure group, the Human Rights Campaign, described Pope Benedict and other Catholic clergy as “discredited leaders” because of their stand for traditional marriage, and called the Knights of Columbus “foot soldiers of a discredited army of oppression” because of their  support of California’s Proposition 8 marriage amendment.

On April 14, 2009, the Obama team had Georgetown University cover up the Greek letters IHS, which stand for Jesus, so they would not show up when he spoke in front of them.

On May 7, Obama declined to hold any White House event to mark the National Day of Prayer, a decision hailed by Barry Lynn’s hard left Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

In his eloquent commencement speech at Notre Dame on May 17, Obama sounded a conciliatory note, lamented, sort of, the abortions that he wants taxpayers to fund, and gave more clues that Christianity will move over and shrink before a universalist moral relativism:

“The size and scope of the challenges before us require that we remake [not “reform” or “restore,” but “remake”] our world to renew its promise; that we align our deepest values and commitments to the demands of a new age.

“Your generation must decide how to save God's creation from a changing climate that threatens to destroy it…..  And we must find a way to reconcile our ever-shrinking world with its ever-growing diversity -- diversity of thought, diversity of culture, and diversity of belief.”

If diversity in and of itself is god, where does that leave Jesus Christ – the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the Alpha and the Omega, the Way, the Truth and the Life, through Whom all things were created?

Well, the Obama Nation might just ask Him to change his name to  … Allah.

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Robert Knight is a Senior Writer/Correspondent for Coral Ridge Ministries and a Senior Fellow for the American Civil Rights Union.
 
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America is a Muslim nation?
America is not a Muslim nation, but the way it's going, it could become one in the future, if nothing is done to stop it. Ever hear anyone use profanity using the name of Allah? It's always against the name "God" not Allah! Of course, if Sharia law gains hold on this turf, there will be no more unrestrained public profanity openly spoken. There is no tolerance in Islam for anything like that! We don't sing "Allah bless America!" We sing "God bless America, land that I love!".

Proud? Lib
I have no idea what you are proud of as a lib - but unless you were actually there at the Georgetown meeting, you have no idea what was done with what religious icons or language - you're just mouthing off, a favorite lib pastime.
Everyone saw pictures of the crucifix covered. Now, whether that was staged after the speech, or actually done before the speech, who knows? We have a corrupt mainstream media, which perfectly matches the machinations of a Chicago gangster thug who got illegally elected by 6 million illegals.
And I'm sure you are proud of that.
Christianity believes in the rule of law, in obedience to the law, in telling the truth, in not spreading lies about other people - these are attributes to be proud of - but they seem to be anathema to people who hate Christianity.
That's nothing to be proud of.

Biblical prophecy
Regardless of what all non-belivers of the Bible
may think, some day "Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" I think that all else is irrelevant!

One Nation under God
Like it or not, this nation was founded by those who wanted the freedom to worship God. Now we have let the minority groups run the show. Gays have perverted society with their unatural behavior, not race, behavior. Atheists hate a God that they say they don't believe in, but don't want anyone else to believe in either. Obama is as much Christian as I am Santa Claus. He and his corrupt administration is tearing this country down piece by piece. Socialism has never worked for anyone else. Why would it start working for the USA? If Obama gets to serve two terms, what do you want to bet that by the end of his second term that people like me will be arrested for posting comments like this?

Seperation of Church & State, Gone Bad!!
I still go back to what this country, our GREAT country, was founded on, Freedom of Religion. You may think I am saying freedom to all religions of all gods. WRONG!! It was founded on the ideas of being able to worship the ONE & ONLY, GOD ALMIGHTY!! Creator of ALL, NO other gods were in the minds of these great men, who are probably rolling over in their graves when they see how you people pervert their ideas.
Obama is going down a path that I'm afraid he will not want to answer for upon the day of judgment when all things are revealed and the Lord shows him all the babies that were killed by the laws he passed to help the cause of pro-choice. If he is the Christian that he says he is, I doubt it, but if he is he wouldn't tear apart the scripture to justify Homosexuality, in which the Bible CLEARLY STATES IT IS AN ABOMINATION. ARE THE VOTES AND POPULARITY REALLY WORTH IT. TO SALE YOUR SOUL FOR A "FAIRNESS" TO PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE ETERNAL LAW OF GOD. I would hope not, but as I said, He has chosen the wide path which leads to destruction.
I pray daily for Obama and the leaders of our nation, for the Bible says to hate the sin but love the sinner. So I hope we can once again join together as a CHRISTIAN NATION and pray daily for these snakes that have slithered in to our leadership roles of our country and that are trying to remove the focus from what is really important,Bringing as many people as we can to Christ before that day of judgment that I am sure is not to far away.

Civics Refresher
The United States was founded as a secular government, as is clear from the Constitution which expressly founds the government on the power of the people and says nothing substantive of god(s) or religion except in the First Amendment where the point is to confirm that each person enjoys religious liberty and that the government is not to establish religion and another provision precluding any religious test for public office.

To be sure, as some here observe, some of those who drafted the Constitution professed their belief in a god, some specifically the Christian god. So what? Others among the drafters did not profess, or denied, any such belief. In any event, they drafted a document plainly founding the government on the power of the people (not a deity).

Lest there be any doubt, shortly after the founding, President George Washington (a founder) drafted and President John Adams (a founder) signed, with the unanimous consent of the Senate (comprised in large measure of founders), the Treaty of Tripoli declaring, in pertinent part, “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” Note too that the Constitution provides that treaties, apart from the Constitution itself, are the highest law of the land. So—as a matter of law as well as history—”the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

Appeals, no matter how often repeated, to unofficial, informal comments by some founders do not, indeed cannot, trump the operative legal documents such as the Constitution and Treaty of Tripoli.

WOO HOO
I say go for it Obama! Because GOD raises up the leaders of the nation and tears them down again! Everything is according to HIS will...not the will of BHO or the libs, or the far right or anyone else. The more I think about it, the more relieved I am that we are that much closer to Christ's return. I can't wait!! Have at it because I'm not going to be around to deal with it!! WOO HOO!!

Christan Nation
I know that and you know that, but is does not stop Oprah and all the sin loving Libs. from trying to change the perceived history of the United States of America. They wish to live in the delusion of a non-christian America and believe in their righteousness of their sin.

Obama is at war with God
Proud Lib.. Obama fails the qualification to be a Chrsitian...Christians know Jesus is the way back to God, the only way.. Christians are the children of god because they are born again....
Obama thinks all ways lead to God... He also thinks all men are children of god.. which if true would mean the Genesis story is a lie and Jesus is a liar..Obama is the liar and he is not a Christian
As for him being a muslim are you so daft you do not realize Islam is a political agenda masquerading as a religion...
As for Obama he has personally made war with God, not only because he lies about the Bible and leads men astray but because he has planted seeds into minds of the ignorant that he is a messiah,, the return of Jesus and/or mulims long awaited messiah.. God will join the battle soon and then watch Obama cry...Likewise Islam and muslims

Christian Nation
American was founded on Judeo-Christian values, our founding fathers declared their dependence on Providence, and also said our Constitution is for a moral people (reference to the morals of the Bible). The Supreme Court has said on at least four occasions that America is indeed a Christian Nation. The Bible was the backbone of our nation, and used in our public schools not only for reading lessons but for lessons on morality for the first 200 yrs of our great nation, (along with prayer in our schools, plus our congress is opened each day with a Christian prayer). Our coins declare our dependence on THE Christian God, and our buildings in Washington do the same. The personal letters and public speeches of our founding fathers boldly proclaim their faith in a personal Christian God. Our nation is unique, special, different, great,and the envy of the world all because of the blessing of Almighty God, the Judeo-Christian God. Oh, did I mention all of our patriotic songs?? "America, America, God shed His Grace on Thee". AMEN and AMEN!! You can ignore history, but you can't deny it!!

all that policts aside...
G-d (Elohim) Loved all of you so much that his word came to life as his son in the Person of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and died in your place so that you can accept his forgiveness of your sins, that you my have eternal life and a loving relationship with G-d the Father (abba)

I pray for you all...
In Jesus Name "Amen"

It is a Free gift... that should warm the heart of any Democrat, socialist, ect. Even Better It is a free gift that some on else had to give, that is the Democrats way! ;-)

Let's All Talk
It does seem that the liberal contributors in the thread are the more lacking on their fact checking but I would still argue for civil discourse. If we are to educate then let us do so kindly. I know a lot is at stake. I have grandchildren and I shudder to think of what has been stolen from them both in dollars and in tradition. Yet, we must set the example speaking the truth in love and persevering to explain that we don't hate we think and in thinking we understand why the policies being advanced today can lead to only poverty and the loss of our civilization.

Obama The Pharoah of the 21st Century
Obama is a pawn in the hands of the Almighty God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and will be used to bring judgment upon America for it's apostacy toward God. America will pay the price for it's stand for homosexuality and the killing of innocent lives through abortions.

Daft Taft in CA One More Time
Taft you are so daft, persistent as a horny dog at humping my leg, sooo veeery fuuuny, and would not know a fact if it bit you in your miserable, silly tookus. Factcheck isn't doing it for you, pal, or for anyone else. It' garbage - GIGO - for you.
None of my facts are wrong, esp. about the Obamas partying with the Islamic jihad spokesman. Besides the facts on that, what few were released, are LA Times “facts,” not mine. I thought might know how to read, watch TV or listen to a radio, esp. the LA Times as a source since you claim to be in CA – bankrupt California right, rather leftist, thanks to Obama, those who voted for and still support him, CA’s ridiculous laws including taxation, and your former guvernator, now AG.

xan lib in CA - 2
“Like [all Liberals] you don't do well when it comes to facts” or drawing conclusions from them – GIGO. Herman is a dolt and so regarded by practically everyone who posts here. I do know how to use Google and other computer search engines. As I said I don’t name-call; I am an educated, trained, practiced, professional counselor. That means I get paid to observe people’s behaviors and report my observations to them and others. Have you ever heard of Fritz Perls? If not Google and learn about him and his counseling methods that are most appropriate with some counselees, e.g., those like Herman, et al.
The ABCNews story slipped past me and everyone I know except you now. For many reasons including the feckless crapweasel Stephanopoulos ABC is not a credible source with me.
One final task for you: Please tell us how a Liberal can be a Christian or a Christian a Liberal since the beliefs and practices of Liberals and Christians are diametrically opposed on almost all issues of importance. That will be a good service you can do for all of us here. Thanks and toodleoo lib.

christianlib in Ca
christian you are interesting and have an interesting user name, but we’ll get to that later. I was not addressing you, and it’s a good idea that you not address me either unless you are willing to show some qualifications for your half-vast opinions presented as facts with irrelevant information.
I did not “try to claim [the] obama[s] partied [with any Muslim]. The LA Times and other media said they did and the visual media showed snippets of the video the LA Times said it had of the party. The LA Times also promised to release the materials after 11/4/08, but to my knowledge did not. If you have contrary information please give us a cite here so we can see what the LA Times released after 11/4/09.
The rest of your Liberal “facts” are based on highly questionable sources, e.g., you and Hitchens, irrelevant and as such make no sense. That one can read or consult Khalidi, “he is highly renowned,” or that Hitchens has any discipline, care or scruple in weighing [any] issue are all irrelevant to the fact that Khalidi was spokesperson for Islamic jihadists. Further Hitchens’ inabilities to measure, show care and scruples are much in question to ridiculous. He is not a stranger to me. I regard his views as outlandish and obscene in many instances, not at all Christian.
Likewise that “Khalidi’s family is …famous … in Jerusalem … respected … [has] a house and position in the city,” that you have been invited there and or that Khalidi makes up cute stories about his ill-founded fears are irrelevant also. (cont.)


Gestell
"You don't get it: Knight understands that only conservatives really have any right to mix the bible and politics, and only in the way conservatives prefer."

I get that. I merely point out how cynical he is to expect people to believe his fiction. Of course his audience prefers fiction.

Gestell
I didn't suggest your idea on my prior post of how to clear this site of lib trolls - by flagging every liberal post - not because I overlooked that idea but because I have said MANY TIMES on this site in the past that I absolutely will NOT flag ANY post by ANYONE on this site no matter how far down toward the bottom of the barrel it scrapes in terms of taste and content. And in fact, I have openly spoken AGAINST this idea when other conservatives have proposed it on this board. If TownHall becomes merely a conservative equivalent of DailyKos or HuffPost or sites like it, where expressions of opinion that run counter to the site's ideological orientation are rigidly screened out, then I'LL stop coming here.

By the way, I hope you also noticed that Anne in PA didn't call for such a step, either.

I agree with what one conservative said here some time ago in urging fellow conservatives NOT to flag posts by liberals, no matter how vulgar or libelous: that we WANT the world to come to this site and be able to see, in all their unexpurgated glory, EXACTLY what kind of people constitute today's Democratic Party. And because the posts of such people are a garish advertisement that screams, "THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON LIBERALISM!"

By the way, I don't consider YOU a troll. A liberal, yes, like most of your fellow Bay Staters, but I'm not willing - yet - to go to the point of considering you a troll. I've read plenty of your submissions in bygone days, and you've actually submitted some reasonably-well-thought-out posts, of far higher quality than what I've come to expect, and see, from the trolls.

reply to Donjindra
You don't get it: Knight understands that only conservatives really have any right to mix the bible and politics, and only in the way conservatives prefer. Anything else is obviously wrong and evil. There. Now do you get it?

Bruce #235: NOPE! You're WRONG! And,

obviously, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

NO, The State of Hawaii HAS a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, which is NOT the same thing as a BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

And, Lands, Department of Hawaiian Records, has NEVER stated exactly WHAT THE "COLB" ACTUALLY SAYS...

Must be a bummer to be so wrong all the time! :-)



Again....

As a matter of fact, "The website of the Department of Hawaiian, Lands, however, STATES CLEARLY the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH TOUTED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS AND A HOST OF OTHER OBAMA DEFENDERS IS ***NOT ACCEPTABLE*** AS A FORM OF IDENTIFICATION TO QUALIFY UNDER this program.



reply to standhisground
Very simple; convince the management of TH not to let any of us liberal trolls post on TH. That would solve your problem. Here's how to do it. Flag every post by every liberal as 'offensive.' Do this enough and we'll be gone.

Mocking?
Knight claims Obama "mocked the Bible's relevance for politics." But read the actual speech and notice how Knight can't get the context right, and can't even get the quote right. Is it really so hard to cut and paste? Or is Knight a naturally sloppy editor as well as a sloppy reader? The speech he references is favorable to mixing religion and politics -- too favorable, IMO. How could Knight have missed that?

What seems to have offended Knight is that Obama asks an important question: How can anybody claim certainty for their source of moral truth while, at the same time, rejecting large portions of that source? The question was asked in a perfectly civil, even friendly, manner. It's a serious issue and deserves a serious answer. But Knight would rather mock the questioner. Knight, like many theocons, must ignore important questions as a matter of policy. It seems questions embarrass those who have no good answers.


Join the Online American Grand Jury
Read the convincing evidence that explains the natural born citizen issue. Read how our president has convicted himself by his own words and by hiding his documents--or by having certain documents just disappear. Read what experts have to say about the COLB now on the internet. Make up your own mind.

Do you really care if the man in the oval office is a usurper and is not eligible to hold the office of president? Are you so happy with his policies that you can just sit back and let him continue to destroy this nation?

If you believe or suspect that Obama is the worst and most criminal president we have ever had, then you owe it to yourself and to this nation to join the AGJ today.

http://americangrandjury,org Online! Make your voice heard.



Jacqueline
Where's the birth certificate? The State of Hawaii has it.

If the truth mattered, this conversation wouldn't even be taking place. It's all because of hate, and in service of it.

The subject of this article--the low view of Christianity--is certainly made clear by the posts here by so many purported Christians. No wonder there's a low view of Christianity--just look at what the "Christians" do and say...

Imagine...
Well, I can see the white male Christian WASPY former elites are scared to death of the America that is coming there way like a train through a tunnel. Imagine a President actually saying that we are a secular nation made of many different religions, none greater than the other, living in a diverse culture based upon mutual respect and honor. Why the audacity of this man to make the claim that we are not a theocracy or a nation based solely upon one religion. Why, the man is implying that we have the freedom to worship as we please or not worship at all. The founding fathers would be shocked, shocked to hear this.....

From the Old School, truth matters
WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Annebozo
The State of Hawaii has certified that Barak Obama was born in Hawaii--no one has any evidence that he was born anywhere else, and there is lots of evidence that he was born there...so, you're batting 0.000 on this one.

The only people who doubt this are sad, little people...like you. Enjoy your certainty that he was born somewhere else--it's all you've got...I take it back--you've got that eagerness to be wrong, that and your pride in your ignorance.

Bruce: And of course YOU can PROVE,

for example, that Obozo actually IS a "natural born citizen" ... right?

I mean, just for starters... 'Cause so far, Obozo hasn't...


As a matter of fact, "The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, STATES CLEARLY the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH TOUTED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY ROBERT GIBBS AND A HOST OF OTHER OBAMA DEFENDERS IS ***NOT ACCEPTABLE*** AS A FORM OF IDENTIFICATION TO QUALIFY UNDER this program.


:-)



Don, Bottom Feeder
What part of Obama's educational background has been a fraud? What part of his "whole life" has been a fraud? What part of anything about him has been "a big lie"?

I know you don't like him, but I missed the lesson in school where you got told that if you don't like someone it's OK to lie about them.

Anne
ANYONE who can find a way to get the lib trolls who haunt this site to go and not come back will be the toast of the town! And we'd ALL greatly celebrate such an event.

But short of Obama and/or the Congressional Democrats finding some way to shut down this site, I don't know of any way to get the libs trolls to go short of all of us conservatives deciding to start sounding like the typical denizens of HuffandPuff or DailyChaos or MorOn.org so that the libs would figure that since this site has become a pale imitation of the aforementioned sites, they might as well abandon us for the genuine article - and that's too high a price to pay for their exodus.

Too many of these libs are too narcissistic to give up the attention they get here on TownHall; if they were to stay exclusively at the leftist sites I named above, they wouldn't even be noticed, since everyone else there would sound exactly like them.

Obama will go
I truly believe that Mr. Obama and the Democrat Party have unwittingly put a bull's eye target on their own foreheads. And the American People will make them pay for their power grab in time.

These so-called polls declaring Obama's favorable ratings are all liberal controlled outlets. They tell you what they want you to believe - Liberal News Propaganda - whether it be true or not. Their policy is to lead the sheep over the cliff, the sooner the better. That is why Obama has been in such a rush to do the Stimulus, Health Care, etc. etc. etc.

But once Americans truly get their eyes opened and take the blinders off, once they lose their jobs, their savings, their freedoms, their health care and have to start goose-stepping to the Democrat tune, they will wake up and take their country back!!!!

It is also my opinion, and I state it again, MY OPINION, that Mr. Obama may end up being a target much the same as JFK became one. But this time it may be an angry American who has lost everything due to this administration. And Democrats will have no one to blame but theirselves and their greed for POWER!!!

GOD HELP MY COUNTRY.


Well gee, UNchristianlib: Isn't that

exactly what they do on the liberal sites???

Puff-Ho and Kos, etc...????

All Conservatives are eliminated... immediately.

Guess the liberals aren't interested in being intellectually stimulated, and only want to hear like-minded individuals simply agree on every issue!



I hope...
... no one's surprised by this. Especially the people who voted for him. As a matter of fact, if you DID vote for him and you are in any way surprised that he's hostile to Christianity, it's YOUR FAULT that this is even an issue. We warned you. We told you that he didn't care a wit about Christianity, that he was hostile to our nation's roots, that he was such a radical leftist that Hillary Clinton looks like G. Gordon Liddy compared to him. Some of us even tried to tell you he was Muslim. I wasn't one of those, but several others were. None of this is surprising to me in the least, which is why I didn't vote for him. He is precisely what every conservative columnist, blogger, and TownHall Commentor said he was. If YOU hadn't voted for him, if YOU had paid attention to the issues and not his race, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Stands: Actually, now that you mention

it, we should see if we could get ALL of the liberals to GO, and THEN we can slay the fatted calf ... :-)


Do you think it might help if we posted the Dr. Seuss book that Hannan read in Parliament yesterday asking Brown to GO... HA HA HA





Christianlib
Once the Left will accept alternatives to their views on: taxes, gay privileges, global warming, patriotism, guns, abortion, race, war, terrorism, crime and punishment, AND Diversity, then you can complain about us wanting a little escape from the constant pounding.

Until then back off. Didn't you know dissent is the American way?

Obama is a fraud
How can we believe anything he says? His whole life, his educational background, his religious beliefs, and his campaign have been just one big lie. The liberal, socialist-controlled media has created an image of Obama based more on fiction than fact. He and his wife have shown no pride in this country. They are popular in Europe and the rest of the world because they have shown no respect or pride for this nation. They are a DISGRACE!

how boring would it be
if some of the extreme elements on townhall got their wish and all liberals were eliminated from this website and america.

do you really find it intellectually stimulating to hear all like-minded individuals simply agree on every issue?

isn't america about an exchange of competing ideas.

our forefathers fought with each other tooth and nail but in the end they compromised and came up with the greatest governing document ever produced.

they were liberals and conservatives but found common ground.

do the conservatives here who lament liberals being allowed to post here actually believe there should only be one party and one point of view?

why are they so worried about ideas that are contrary to their own?

just saying...

Reba
You said "...Aren't you glad your mother cared enough for you not to allow a doctor to drill a hole in your head hours before you were born?"

Hal said: "I was not an unwanted pregnancy."

You will note that, as he is a typical lib, the point was lost on Hal. You should know, too, that Hal has said that an unborn child is not a human being until it is breathing AND thinking. So to you comment you could have said, "Aren't you glad your mom didn't kill you yet?"

Anne
Regarding what you said about Mod Mark's return:

GOOD POINT!

In fact, thinking about it, I can also add one OTHER difference:

the father was looking for, and LONGING FOR, the prodigal son's return. Except for those like Sophie and the other libs who come here, I don't think the same can be said for us conservatives who post to this board.

So Mod Mark will just have to forgive us if we DON'T slay the fatted calf to celebrate his return.

Reba: We know that doofass-the-dimwit

is not exactly "with it!"

doofass-the-dimwit has serious MENTAL and EMOTIONAL problems... and he's obviously NOT very bright.

Re "teen pregnancy in teen age girls have increased over 500% in the past 40 years, started to increase in the 1960's, in the age of free love and if it feels good, do it...."

doofass: "That is the rise of conservatism."


doofass is so psychotic that he doesn't see that "the rise of conservatism" had absolutely nothing to do with it...

Rather, it was the "hippy-free-love-liberal-anti-war" crowd that advanced the era of IRREPRESSIBLE-PROGRESSIVE behavior.

That, of course, would be doofass-the-psychotic's crowd.


The real issue (problem) is that NOT one

of these intellectually limited liberals shows the least bit of familiarity, much less any real knowledge, of the Constitution.

And obviously neither does Obozo!.



The Duck
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck.

Stands: Yes, I noticed. :-(


The obvious big difference is, however, the Biblical "prodigal son" returned having LEARNED a lesson!

This one, not so much....







Reba II
"...Pregnancy in teen age girls have increased over 500% in the past 40 years, started to increase in the 1960's, in the age of free love and if it feels good, do it...."

That is the rise of conservatism. Ronnie was elected Governor of CA in the mid sixties. Today teen pregnancy and abortion are highest in the US the most "Christian" country and lowest in western Europe. Why is that do you think?

"...That's the reason for the increase of unwanted pregnancies, no moral responsibility. Lack of moral responsibility is also the reason for increased abortions...."

LOL the data shows otherwise Look closely Oh you may want to compare red/blue state figures also

"....Late term abortions is the most heinous crime I have ever heard of. I'd rather be waterboarded than do that to a child..."

You know nothing about either

"...Aren't you glad your mother cared enough for you not to allow a doctor to drill a hole in your head hours before you were born?"

I was not an unwanted pregnancy. Improve the conditions for mothers and children and abortions will fall. Your beliefs actually cause abortions

Reba
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 12:46 PM EST
HAL - @ 10:00
OH Hal, where have you been?
My comment: ..Too many loose morals results in too many babies being murdered."

Your response: "too little birth control and education results in increased unwanted pregnancy and therefore increased abortions."

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. There has been birth control methods for centuries, the birth control pill arrived in the 1950's, the morning after pill now, Condoms in one form or another for over 100 years, abstinence has all been available..."

Not readily available are they. The religious right has served to make thme difficult to obtain and stigmatized those who used them. Heck when I was in HS nearly every diner and restaurant had condoms - no longer.

"... The libraries and book stores, (& television) are full of books on sex education and every child should have a parent who teaches them the facts of life."

Should have but does not always have! This is a direct result of conservatives crushing wages and destroying the family.


Vamp says
About Christians: "Their denial of their evilness and wickedness is so complete they even fail to stop and ask why Megan Fox says what she said. Because if they did they might have to pause and consider, "did I do something to merit this kind attitude against me"?

Would that the libs on TH undertake the same introspection to consider what they do and say to merit the attitude against them. Alas and alack....

crosstalk: You mean the Jennings who

" support, the GLSEN chapter in Connecticut has begun pushing not just for 'tolerance' or 'acceptance' of those who choose to engage in homosexuality in the public schools, but they have actually created an 'activity' for the school systems which pushes "positive levels of attitude" such as mandated "admiration" and 'nurturance.'

You mean the Jennings who "authored the forward for the book titled Queering Elementary which argues for the teaching of sexual 'identity' (what you could easily call 'indoctrination,' 'initiation,' or 'brainwashing') to the children in the elementary education stage of life. The book is so disturbing that it reportedly includes a description of how to 'properly' teach a seven year old girl to masturbate.

THAT Jennings???

You mean the Jennings who "has a reckless past of undermining parental rights, even usurping them all together on the judgment of merely his own whim."

THAT Jennings???

You mean the Jennings who, "In a documented case that Jennings now admits to, he once counseled a young boy who had been molested by an older male teacher. The confused student naturally turned to an adult figure for explanations, support, and direction. But when this issue came to Jennings attention, even though the law required his notification of the parents, the school district, and the local law enforcement authorities, Jennings now admits he notified no one. He expresses no regrets of his actions then, and has never indicated if a similar situation to materialize that he would follow any different path."

THAT Jennings???

See:
http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2009/06/07/w hy_obamas_elementary_queering_must_be_stopped


NO WONDER PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR KIDS OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL.



Anne in PA: a prodigal son returns!
Anne:

I don't know if you've noticed or not, but earlier this morning on this thread (starting at 9:25 am), a liberal prodigal son has returned to TownHall: Mod Mark.

Wonder what NEW gems of "wisdom" he's thought up during the time he was away from this site to beguile us with beyond THIS oldie-but-goody: "And why did Christianity take such a radical change with the birth of Christ?"

Charles
Obama is a muslim to muslims.
He is a "christian" to christians.

He is a marxist to the communists/fabians/progressives/mensheviks ....socialists.

He is a "patriot" to Americans.

He is a world citizen to the nations and he is a president of the USA.

This man seeks to be all things to all people and he is not true to anyone but HIMSELF.

The only thing Obama is in love with is his own image and ego.

Why Obama Is Pro Choice,
Obama hates Caucasians. Abortions are sought- primarily,- by Whites. As stated in many posts/columns on TH,[and other places] the White race is committing suicide, by low birth rates,--here and abroad. People of Color rarely get abortions. People of Color are generally Subsidized to bear illegitimate children.The more kids you have, the more money you get. Pro Choice, is hastening the demise of the White Race. Obama Embraces Pro Choice, it suits his Black Liberation Theology. NO Real Christian is Pro Choice. The terms are mutually exclusive. Ask your Pastor.

That's not all
This article forgets to mention Obama's recent appointment of Kevin Jennings to the education department. Saying that, with all the hate towards Christians that I see online, I think Obama might actually be right on this one.

The number and degree of STUNNINGLY

STUPID liberal comments is amazing!

Dr. Kyle Rossiter, an eminent psychiatrist was OBLIVIOUSLY SPOT ON when he said that liberals are "like spoiled, angry children; they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

He was OBLIVIOUSLY SPOT ON when he said that liberals are CLINICALLY MAD!

Anyone who might doubt Dr. Rossiter need only read the above liberal comments to know that Dr. Rossiter know is absolutely right.

Not one of the intellectually limited liberal posters has a clue...

They're ALL in denial, and each and every one of them just buy into anything Obozo tells them.


A dumber, more ignorant bunch of people you couldn't find!!!



A wolf in sheeps clothing
the Highest office in this land occupied by a Muslim who wants jihad within.
You thought it couldn't get worse, hang on kids, the ride has just begun.

vewy intewesting
(again, i went over the 2K character limit, but now, thanks to "shorts." my two cents, my voice around this particular campfire, are one click on Richard CA away)

NY LIBS
seek to stop their losses.

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/malcolm.smith.senate.2 .1036194.html

So that's how you ethical libs do it? You're losing an you take your ball and go home?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

The facade of liberalism comes crashing down.

NOW THE LAPDOG
Media turning against the annoited one.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090609/D98MRQU80.html

"Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises."

These are GREAT DAYS for Conservatives! The leftist messiah flaming out ala Jimmy Carter II!

Hate to say it libs (not really) but I told you so over a year ago.

THIS GUY SUCKS!

HAL - @ 10:00
OH Hal, where have you been?
My comment: ..Too many loose morals results in too many babies being murdered."

Your response: "too little birth control and education results in increased unwanted pregnancy and therefore increased abortions."

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. There has been birth control methods for centuries, the birth control pill arrived in the 1950's, the morning after pill now, Condoms in one form or another for over 100 years, abstinence has all been available. The libraries and book stores, (& television) are full of books on sex education and every child should have a parent who teaches them the facts of life.

Pregnancy in teen age girls have increased over 500% in the past 40 years, started to increase in the 1960's, in the age of free love and if it feels good, do it. That's the reason for the increase of unwanted pregnancies, no moral responsibility. Lack of moral responsibility is also the reason for increased abortions. Late term abortions is the most heinous crime I have ever heard of. I'd rather be waterboarded than do that to a child.

Aren't you glad your mother cared enough for you not to allow a doctor to drill a hole in your head hours before you were born?





Hal--
Ya better go check your Garage/Hanger, I think the "Greys" are gonna try to get their "Hannebu 7" Saucer back. BTW, are you the "Smoking Man", of "X-Files" fame?? You seem to have a lot of Classified knowlege. I'll bet that the "Birth Certificate" [or LACK THEREOF???] , was given to you for Safe-Keeping. Seems you've been layin' low, for a few days--Did you take the "Hannebu" to Neu Swchabenland, for a short Vacation??

The Missing Question
I really believe, after discussing this issue with my intellectual, well-educated, Liberal friends that it is a fruitless pursuit to try an be rational. In order to explain how dangerous moral relativism is, there has to be a starting mutual belief in a universal morality. I.e.: WHAT values do we all hold as Americans? WHY do we hold those values (this second one is much more critical)?
If the argument back is that there is no universal morality, that all views, positions are equal, than you've effectively shut out any future discussion. IN addiition, you've closed the door on calling Conservatives "mean" (What moral value provides THAT standard?), "callous" (same question), "greedy"?
I believe this is why the Atheistic left demands and needs more government. We all HAVE to live by a set of rules or we are facing anarchy. Since God doesn't establish those rules for so many, then something has to fill that void. Note the worship of Obama--and I will say, that the frightening lack of realistic coverage of what Obama is doing, is absolutely no different than knee-jerk religious extremists....think about it.

ronald --more facts
the muslim you try to claim obama partied with is a respected by all sides except for conservatives who can't seem to match facts with reality.

here is christopher hitchens;
Khalidi has been known to me for some time and can easily be read and consulted by anyone with the remotest curiosity about the Israeli-Arab dispute. He is highly renowned, well beyond the borders of his own discipline, for his measure and care and scruple in weighing the issue.



Rashid Khalidi's family is a famous one in Jerusalem, long respected by Arab and Christian and Jew and Druze and Armenian, and holding a celebrated house and position in the city since approximately the time of the Crusades. I have had the honor of being invited to this very house. If Rashid chooses to state that he doesn't care to be evicted from his ancestral home in order to make way for some settler from Brooklyn who claims to have God on his side, I think he has a perfect right to say so.

The missing question
I would love to ask Atheists and Muslims what system of values should and does guide us. I have had this discussion with a significant amount of my Liberal friends and I have yet to have them concede:

ronald
like many conservatives you don't do well when it comes to facts.

do you know how to use google?

before you call people names you may want to check the facts.

you say this:
"He did not however ever honor his white grandmother.
Factcheck all that dolt!"

President-elect Barack Obama gathered with family and friends on Tuesday for a private memorial service for the beloved grandmother who helped raise him.

Madelyn Payne Dunham, known to her friends as "Toot", died Nov. 2, two days before Obama won election to
become the nation's first African-American president. She was 86.


http://a.abcnews.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6520841



One more...

One really has to wonder why our determined and hard-working "atheists" keep bringing up that old, scraggly and flea-bitten straw man.

Theocracy...?

Right. Good grief.


Scott
Lets be honest, Geeks research isn't worth a hill of beans. He searches the web for things that back up what he wants, caring little for the honesty of the source. It's a little pathetic. Would any of you listen to a stranger on the street, and yet, take for the gospel truth anything bad printed about Obama.

Religious Zeal is the Source of Evil
Encouraged by the "be-Knighted" view of this article's author, there are quite a number of disturbing posts here.

Witness: "I'm pleased to see that so many conservatives have a good understanding of Christianity. Rightly, they recognize it as the basis for what should be declared a Christian nation--the USA. Christianity, as our official religion, would remove and abolish the other so-called religions that stain our society....."

What part of un-American do you folks who hold this view not understand? America was founded in large measure to provide haven for religious persecuted. Here we are two hundred years later and we have a significant minority of so-called Americans who believe and espouse sentiments like the one above?

How is it possible to be so wrong-headed? Can I give you a clue about how dangerous and obnoxious those views are? No responsible political candidate embraces them (at least publicly). No court, even the most conservative, has or will ever confirm any law that is predicated on views like these.

I'm a Christian and I understand the traditions of the Great Commission. But I understand those are the traditions of my faith, not others. This is a big world; there's room for all of us, if we respect others.

Religious zeal is a great danger to comity. This is NOT a Christian nation: it is a secular nation and God willing, will ever be so.


We can only hope you get used to it
Reading Knight's post, I’m reminded of a privileged bully who, faced with the prospect of treatment equal with others, howls in pained anguish at the injustice of it all and pines for the good old days.

Ronald
Sorry, old sot, but your facts are wrong, and that is why I encourage you to look honestly at who your listening to. Obama never partied with a radical Muslim, for example. If you're impossibly brainwashed, it may be near impossible, but do try.

Ronald
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 11:23 AM EST
Cadidiot Hal in PA
If you had a functioning brain you might be able to recall I swore off responding to you and your nonsense long ago."

I could care less but I will reply where I would like

Brief comments.

Geek, thank you for sharing your faith.

And for your continued research and your informative posts.

And for your amazing journey back to Christian humility. Something which so many gifted people are unable or unwilling to do. Never realizing that their "gift" is just that, a gift... from the God of the Universe.

My own "non-belief" fell apart quite early when I observed my "religion-is-for-weaklings" and "master-of-his-fate" father, like so many others, stagger and crumble and have no answers in the face of adversity.

Barbara, AZ, 9:16 AM. Really nice dots.

One has to wonder, though, why so many of our esteemed citizens seem to have such continued difficulty... in connecting some simple dots?

Well... maybe they just don't want to.

Not smart.



joel the loon
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 11:09 AM EST
Marxist and Muslim
"If Obama is a Communist as you state everyday
And then you call him a Muslim the next , aren't you just a little confused?"


The two are not always in opposition. Both systems preach that "the ends justify the means". If it helps the cause of Islam to be a Marxist, the Quaran allows it."

So does the christianity of you extremists endorse "the ends justify the means" that is what you enthusiasm for torture is all about

"...Saddam Hussein was both an Islamic, and a Socialist."

It is Muslim not "Islamic" a mistake someone with your claimed background would never make. Second, a socialist is not necessarily a communist

Retired Geek, Joel De-Oppresso Liber etc
I see Mod Mark is back with us.

Since he's been away from TownHall for some time, he'll have had plenty of time to have thought up even MORE spectacular nuggets of "wisdom" than THIS oldie-but-goody: "And why did Christianity take such a radical change with the birth of Christ?"

Obama-America is not a Christian Nation
In all due respects to the current President of our Nation, I do not wish to speak harshly against him. So I will only say that his words expressed here and abroad about our Nation are like that of toothpaste - once out of the tube, there is no going back. A demonstration of naievette - green behind the ears. I don't think ANYONE is impressed. The ones to watch carefully - the unseen - are those who backed him royally to put him in the White House. If one could see them, they would have a mean and hungry look.

Cadidiot Hal in PA
If you had a functioning brain you might be able to recall I swore off responding to you and your nonsense long ago.

joel the loon
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 11:06 AM EST
Overpopulation?
"...No actually it is not in any way similar to abortion. Should we just irresponsibly keep reproducing and settle the excess by starvation and war? Stealing control of a woman's body, which is what anti-abortion law is, is much more akin to slavery than the end of slavery. For political and religious reasons you create a false problem, abortion, when the real problem is unwanted pregnancy."


There are more than enough resources and land on this world to support 20 Billion or more people. The issue is NOT one of 'overpopulation', but rather of freedom in govt and economics. If the ENTIRE world was operating under the govt and economy that the Founding Fathers intended for America, there would be plenty of food and energy for everyone alive on the Earth now, times 5 or 10..."

OK nice evasion what happens when we reach magic 20 then abortion and birth control are ok? This is the real question my loon. Do we continue to reproduce ourselves like animals until the vast majority become sickly and die of disease and famine?

"...One of my enlisted men was a farm boy from Idaho. ..."

You have enlisted men my loon

"The issue is always FREEDOM, and never population, or resource scarcity."

Why? Excess population and resource scarcity lead away from freedom to war and starvation

Daft Taft in CA - 5a
Before you venture into the muck and mire for you of your trying to convince other posters here or anyone with a functioning brain above reptilian level of how you know who Obama’s real father is have someone read and explain my initial post here today to you.
And while you’re at it since you are in La-La-CA-Land please check on for us whatever happened to the LA Times materials, e.g., videos of the Obama’s making whoopee with the former Islamic jihad spokesman at one time, maybe still, a professor at Columbia University. Like other things of Obama that have slithered down rabbit holes such as his never attending any service for his deceased white grandmother that story died or was killed too. Obama did say he was going to go back to HI for a private memorial service for is white grandmother. He went back with a gaggle of his most ardent, wealthiest admirers, stayed in a posh, most expensive beach resort, was photographed shirtless like Putin in the water. He did not however ever honor his white grandmother.
Factcheck all that dolt!
Oh by the way after BHO, Sr., the Kenyan Muslim Marxist, killed himself in another drunken car crash in Kenya he was buried according to Muslim rites in a Muslim cemetery in Kenya. Factcheck that too!
No mas por favor of or from you ever again. You are too stupid for me to be wasting my time on you, but maybe someone, even another Lib Dem Obamaniac Loon can and will learn something from my posts. You most certainly will not.

Daft Taft in CA – 5
Ok Loon! Enough of you. I will not be responding to anymore of your witless posts today, hopefully never again if I can restrain myself from trying to educated the uneducable, mentally retarded children like you.
I have all the reliable sources I need and more. Obviously you have none. I am willing to bet you get most of your “news” and “facts” from the Comedy Channel – Steve Colbert and Jon Stewart (Liebowitz), SNL, Bill Maher, the LegThrill/gayRachel-type cable nets, dying print rags, Lib talk radio and your tinfoil hat in addition to Factcheck – a joke of a title, a cruel joke on idiots like you.
Do the other posters here a favor please. Tell us on what basis you imagine that you know who Obama’s real father is? Try to do it without referring to the lies in Factcheck. Also don’t even go to the nonsense about his campaign posting his bogus birth certificate on his Internet site. Further avoid mention of the ridiculous story from HI after he went there on the pretense of visiting his dying white grandmother to arrange for the low-level HI records clerks to say they had a vault birth certificate on one Barack Hussein Obama. That’s all the clerks said, only that and nothing else. They did not name his father, his birthplace, the attending medical personnel or anything else on everyone’s birth certificate in the U.S.
Furthermore as I said in my original post here today and to Prager’s column today too there is no question Obama is hiding his records of Constitutional eligibility to run for let alone serve as POTUS/CINC and campaign financing. The only questions are what exactly is he hiding and why?
It is too easy, nitwit, for Obama not to provide any and all of those records as the Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S. said he must do to clear up any questions about his eligibility. (cont.)

I love this line, II
Modern Christians in the USA are hateful, hurtful people, who are devoid of love, gratitude, patience and caring. And that makes them like Vampires: devoid of any spiritual soul. Ergo the moniker, "Vampire's reflection". And modern day Christians wear that hatred with honor and pride. They wear that hatred with pride because to them that hatred is called love. Modern Christians in the USA are evil people, h**l bent on destruction and mayhem.

Their denial of their evilness and wickedness is so complete they even fail to stop and ask why Megan Fox says what she said. Because if they did they might have to pause and consider, "did I do something to merit this kind attitude against me"?

The fact that modern day Christians deny that AM talk radio is just one big hate festival says everything you need to know about modern Christians.

I love this line, I
"Is it not hateful to suggest that people who disagree with you are full of “hate?” "

He doesn't deny Christianity is about hate. He just points out that Obama is hateful as well.

Whether it is AM talk radio, columnists on Town Hall, or you "the commenter" on Town Hall, one thing is clear: it is all about the hate.

Megan Fox said something pretty stark yesterday.

[This is ] what she would say to Megatron to keep him from destroying the world. "I'd barter with him," she muses to the July issue Total Film UK, 'and say instead of the entire planet, can you just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super bible-beating people in Middle America?'"

In all the comments posted responding to this quote, no one stopped to ask the question, "why would she say this?" Was she brought up to be a "Christianist" to hate Christians the way prior generations were brought up to be a "racist" and hate blacks?

No introspection, no self-examination by the Christians to ask why she felt the way she does.

Could it possibly be that perhaps Christians have earned all the hatred heaped on them by their actions over the ages?

Christians are very hateful people. The despise those not like themselves and they oppress them. Then, as with every religion ever invented, the leaders and followers deny any injury cause by that hatred.

Nothing is more dangerous than religious zealotry precisely because it denies with 100 percent clarity all the injustice a religion heaps on those not of the religion.

And their final response is, "well, you do it too." Ha ha ha!





Retired Geek
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 10:44 AM EST
HalD the plagiarist.."

Nope, Hal the editor because someone had to correct your egregious errors

You do it everyday, here
Taft
Beating a Dead Horse
======================

Looks like a work of dedication for you and such as Radical Mark

Ronald
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 10:38 AM EST
Daft Taft in CA – 4
You mucking foron. You are living your life on false assumptions, bullShiite, O Kool-Aid and lies as a delusional, in denial Lib Dem Obamaniac Loon. "

There are none so blind as those who will not see. How are you going to cope when you realize everything you are spouting is half truths and out right lies? When that day comes please seek help and don't eat one of your many guns.

Ronald
Spears is actually a wingnut. Muslims don't babtise their kids in a Christian church. In any case, why are you against one of America's greatest assets, freedom of religion? It shouldn't matter what religion he is.

Obabba and his FILTHY crew...
What more can I say? FILTH is FILTH!

HalD the plagiarist

Hal Donahue you are always stating your opinions on what should or should not be allowed in America - how about going on record what you would like to see?

1) Do you support legalizing Euthanasia?

2) Do You support legalizing Prostitution?

3) Do you support allowing Sharia law for Muslims in America?

4) Do you support equal rights and protections under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights for all American Citizens - no more - no less?

5) Do you support equal rights and protections under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights for Illegal Immigrants?

6) Do you support the right for Non Citizens living in America to vote in American elections?

7) Do you support allowing students in American Government Schools to wear religious paraphernalia to school?

8) Do you support Government provided Health Care for Non Citizens in America?

9) Do you support voter ID's to vote in American elections?

Beating a Dead Horse
"The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation."

Who was this commie b@stard, Annenberg? Why non other than a good friend of Ronald Reagan.

Daft Taft in CA – 4
You mucking foron. You are living your life on false assumptions, bullShiite, O Kool-Aid and lies as a delusional, in denial Lib Dem Obamaniac Loon.
Whatever made you imagine I had not read Factcheck you dolt. I told you I had and found it useless as a reliable source due to its Liberal ownership and operation as you admitted in yet another of your goofy posts today misspelling “Annenburg.”
You really do need psychiatric intervention like Britney Spears, and it is doubtful you will ever be well enough to be returned to live among sane, rational, logical, reasonable people.
Forget about doing the right thing and contacting your Senator, Reps, etc. You are not capable of such sensible action.
Now leave me alone and go on humping other people’s legs you bad, mad dog.

Forked tongues
Having Native American Blood I have admired the down to earth simplicity of this expression.

On one hand the democrats/"liberals" (liars) love to tell how William Ayers has recovered from his days of murder and terrorism to become an outstanding citizen and Professor of Higher Learning.

Then go to extreme excuses and lies to disassociate this old terrorist killer from the obama.

Retired Geek II
7) conservatives advocate creating an industry by not addressing and solving some of the inherent problems that create and encourage more criminals, rapists, murderers.

8) conservatives feel that America's enemies, who have 'Sworn' to kill and destroy all of America's Citizens should force the US to adopt the believes and tactics of our enemies.

9) conservatives view America's veterans to be as disposable as Vitter and Craig's tissues to be dispensed with and untreated. At no times do they treat them with 'Honor and Respect' except to pay lip service during a photo op or a talk show.

10) conservatives are 'Ashamed' of America, because its Citizens and government are now returning the nation to the path that created the most powerful and free Country in the history of mankind.

11) conservatives believe that 'reaganism/hooverism', which crashed the global economy twice in less than 100 years and caused over 100,000,000 deaths by war and global upheaval, is the 'Best Approach' for America.

Retired Geek
Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:53 AM EST
Doctrines of the Religion of Liberals

1) Conservatives refuse to accommodate the Citizens unable to care for themselves the weak, the young and old, the sick. They also steal from those Citizens who do provide for themselves and 'Spread the Wealth' to care for those less well off or capable

2) conservatives redefine 'Perverted Behavior' such as torture as good, so that those bound by perversion can have 'Self Esteem'.

3) Conservatives declare that 'Good is Evil' and that 'Evil is Good', in order to destroy any moral codes, values and the idea of right and wrong. Their god is the individual to heck with everyone else


4) conservatives perpetuate Racism and Bigotry by denying its existence

5) conservatives are against 'Equal Rights' and 'Protections', provided by the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights for every Citizen in America, because they fear they my "lose" something.

6) conservatives create a 'Certain Class of Citizens' (zygotes and the fetus), never included in the bible or the constitution.


Ronald
If you are not going to use factcheck, find something els, and fast. Obama's dad was a flake and Obama says he treated his kids very shabby. He was not a practicing Muslim either, he drank alot, a smoked, and ate hot dogs, ( just guessing).

I see Radical Mark is here
Glad to see he is here so he can be confined to the ignorant posters and kept from spreading his propaganda to some poor innocent and moderate person

Easier for a camel to go
Through the eye of a needle than it is for an obama supporter to be honest

Daft Taft in CA - 3
You're getting no better at all. Geesh! Hardheaded and ignorant going to stupid you are.
According to the LA Times, Obama himself and other even reliable sources Obama went to school in Indonesia registered as a Muslim. He studied Islam at home and in mosque worship with his Indonesian Muslim stepfather as Barry Sotero. He learned Arabic to fluency, read the Qur'an in Arabic and did the 5x daily rote Muslim prayers in memorized Arabic as extracts from the Qur'an. He has written and said that he came to know the sweetest sound of the day as the evening call to prayer.
Since you don't have a clue what is wrong with a Muslim pretending to be a Christian and president of the United States of America you are rather hopeless and like Britney Spears, a danger to yourself and others, to be treated like her but not released too early as she was.

Taft have you read Obama's bio books, Dreams From My Father and The Audacity of Hope? Can you name and defend one thing good Obama has done for the U.S. before, on or since 1/20/09?

Stop it now and get busy contacting your Senators, Rep, etc. Come on! Do help Obama strengthen his presidency or get out of the office.

Odd why the obama backers
Deny this, and then cite it as an upstanding organization.

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Backers Say Chicago Project Not 'Radical'
’90s Annenberg Reform Push an Issue in Presidential Race
By Dakarai I. Aarons

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge , chaired from 1995 to 1999 by Barack Obama

http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.o rg/ew/articles/2008/10/09/08annenberg_ep.h28.html&destinati on=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/10/09/08annenberg _ep.h28.html&levelId=1000

Chicago Annenberg Challenge Records
On December 17, 1993, the Annenberg Foundation launched the Annenberg Challenge for School Reform with a five-year $500 million grant to revive and inspire school reform efforts in this nation. The Challenge brought together civic, business and university leaders, as well as foundations and other groups, in support of 18 school improvement projects, and it built broad public-private coalitions consisting of mayors, superintendents, principals, union leaders, civic leaders and community groups. The CAC was supported with a $49.2 million grant.

¦ All participating sites in the Annenberg Challenge for School Reform were locally controlled and locally governed.

¦ The Annenberg Foundation was not directly involved in the daily operations of any of the 18 challenge sites. This includes, but is not limited to: programming, staffing, or board composition.

¦ Work related to programs, fundraising and development, research, and evaluation at individual Challenge sites during the grant period was undertaken through the local Challenge entities.

¦ Founding members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board were: Susan Crown, vice president, Henry Crown Company; Patricia Graham, president, The Spencer Foundation, and former dean, Harvard Graduate School of Education; Stanley Ikenberry, president-emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Handy Lindsey, executive director, Field Foundation; Barack Obama; Arnold Weber, former president, Northwestern University, and president, Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; and Wanda White, executive director, Community Workshop on Economic Development.


" Barack Obama; Arnold Weber, former president, Northwestern University, and president, Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago"

http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/news/news_show.htm?doc_i d=702786

Ronald
Just give Factcheck a try. This is one of today's posts.

http://www.factcheck.org/judicial-campaigns/supremely_civil _ads_so_far.html

and the avuncular theme

Barack Obama's planned visit to the former Nazi concentration camp of Buchenwald on June 5 will have special significance because his great uncle, Charlie Payne, was one of the American soldiers who liberated a sub-camp of Buchenwald sixty-four years ago.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244035005039&pa gename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Racism of Barack and Michelle Obama

Michelle and Barack Obama attended a 'Racist' Church 23 years - they had their children baptized by a 'Racist' in a 'Racist Church'.

A church who made the writings of 'Racist James Cone' required reading for all new members.

"Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man's depravity. God cannot be white, even though white churches have portrayed him as white. When we look at what whiteness has done to the minds of men in this country, we can see clearly what the New Testament meant when it spoke of the principalities and powers."
- James H. Cone; Black Theology & Black Power; p 150
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A church that awarded 'Racist Louis Farrakhan' a lifetime achievment award.

"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him." Farrakhan

"Six-thousand years ago, an evil wizard called Dr. Yacub created the white "race" in a genetic experiment." Farrakhan
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A church based on the 'Black Value System' and 'Black Separatism'.


"There is no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost".
Michelle Obama

The obama and Annenburg
Why would anyone want his connection covered up?

These trolls who support the obama on one hand cite the Annenburg Foundation as a credible source of information and do-gooders.


Then on the other hand want to keep the obama as far away from it as possible.

Even in the face of the facts he is associated with both the Annenburg Foundation and the terrorist Willaim Ayers.


Daft Taft in CA - 2
There are no reports of “torture” in Reagan’s removal of Soviet surrogate Cubans from Grenada in 1983 or in GHWB’s Gulf War I of 1990-91, both battles in which massive numbers of prisoners were taken. In Clinton’s Black Hawk Down, a fiasco due to his refusal of ground commanders’ requests for 2 AC-130s, stemmed from a specific attempt to take a Somali warlord and other prisoners for questioning. Since Clinton was president during the totally unnecessary involvement of the U.S. in Bosnia and Kosovo and Tenet was Clinton’s CIA Director a smart and informed person –both descriptors exclude you – knows what was done to prisoners in those years.
As to your response to me Obama’s great uncle said in Der Spiegel interview as quoted also in other media Obama used his WWII service for political purposes and that he was surprised Obama talked about his wartime service at all since Obama did not speak to him about it. The great uncle further says he did not help liberate any concentration camp anywhere at any time.
I am not at all interested in Factcheck.org or Snopes.com. Both are Liberal owned and operated and have been caught many times, esp. Factcheck in blatant lies, half truths, distortions and misrepresentations – all we know to expect from any Liberal based on a few years now of experience with your ilk, including those named above as well-known, habitual and pathological liars.
Also if that is the best you can do in response to my fact-filled post, Knight’s and Prager’s columns I urge you to get right onto helping Obama strengthen his presidency. Make your contacts today with your Senators, Rep, etc. rather than wasting your time posting here. It will make you a better, more loyal American supporting our president, and you might feel better for doing and being so.

shorts
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:40 AM EST
HAL Donahue
How did the filming go ?
I look forward to seeing the show in the fall
Hope all is well"

Most of it is the can. Now comes the hard part LOL. All is well and with you?

Reba
Obama had his kids baptized in a Christian church and went to a Catholic school as a child.

But, if he were a Muslim, so what? It's still a free country.

Daft Taft in CA
As usual you are not doing well here.
You show your usual ignorance going to stupidity on your response to Tea Party about a “Christian, doesn’t the republican party fixation on torturing people bother you?” George Tenet, a lifelong Democrat hack and Clinton appointee holdover - one of the few mistakes GWB made in his presidency – was CIA Director at the time of the “torture.” Bush fired Tenet in ‘04 and stopped the “torture.” Bush issued an Executive Order in ’06 ending the rough questioning after only 3 most dangerous Islamic jihadists were “tortured” and gave up vital information for protecting your sorry butt.
Peelosi as you and the whole world well knows lied about not being briefed by the CIA. An Obama pick for a higher level position stepped down last week for his involvement in the CIA with Tenet.
FYI since the beginning of the recorded history of warfare prisoners have been taken and questioned for valuable information. In relatively recent wars, e.g., WWI and II – FDR’s/HST’s – Korea – HST’s – Southeast Asia – JFK’s/LBJ’s, their Best and Brightest – credit to NYT reporter David Halberstram who also wrote The Making of A Quagmire and other books – Ivy League-educated idiot’s debacle patrols were sent out specifically to take prisoners for questioning. I doubt the prisoners gave up information for a cup of hot coffee, chocolates, nylons and a warm, dry place to sleep. (cont.)


OUR FIRST MUSLIM PRESIDENT
Let's face it, history applauded Obama for being the first Black President, but be is also the first Black Muslim President.

PROUD LIB said in his post: "So if Obama were a Muslim, so what? That would not disqualify him from being president, or, indeed, from being a full citizen of the United States."

The statement is true, but the man who won the election is not being truthful with the American People, nor has he ever been. When a man denies his heritage publicly and then uses it for conveniences, the man is badly flawed. "To thy own self be true".

Will the real Barack Hussein Obama please stand up?


Reba
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:30 AM EST
HEY HAL @
YOUR COMMENT: For political and religious reasons you create a false problem, abortion, when the real problem is unwanted pregnancy.

My Answer: There would be no unwanted pregnacies if young women were taught to keep their legs together and young men were taught to keep their zippers closed..."

LOL simple??? When has this ever worked in all time?

"... Isn't it really a moral issue or have we reverted to being primal creatures to exercise our lusts when and where we desire..."

Reproduction and sex are natural and not wrong.

"..Too many loose morals results in too many babies being murdered."

too little birth control and education results in increased unwanted pregnancy and therefore increased abortions

Doctrines of the Religion of Liberals

1) Liberals accommodate the Citizens who refuse to provide for themselves, by stealing from those Citizens who do provide for themselves and 'Spread the Wealth'.

2) Liberals redefine 'Perverted Behavior' as good, so that those bound by perversion can have 'Self Esteem'.

3) Liberals declare that 'Good is Evil' and that 'Evil is Good', in order to destroy any moral codes, values and the idea of right and wrong.

4) Liberals perpetuate Racism and Bigotry as necessary to achieve 'Equality' and therefore bring about 'Social Justice'.

5) Liberals are against 'Equal Rights' and 'Protections', provided by the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights for every Citizen in America, because they 'Feel' that certain races, genders and sexual preferences should have 'Special Rights and Protections' other citizens should not have.

6) Liberals believe that a 'Certain Class of Citizens' (babies), should have no 'Rights or Protections' in order that another 'Class of Citizens' can kill them.

7) Liberals show 'Empathy' for criminals, rapists, murderers but NO 'Sympathy' for the victims of those criminals.

8) Liberals feel that America's enemies, who have 'Sworn' to kill and destroy all of America's Citizens should be treated with 'Honor and Respect', even if that means the 'Destruction of America'.

9) Liberals view America's veterans as potential terrorist who must be constantly monitored. At no times do they treat them with 'Honor and Respect' except to pay lip service during a photo op. (thanks Russ)

10) Liberals are 'Ashamed' of America, because its Citizens have created the most powerful and free Country in the history of mankind.

11) Liberals believe that 'Socialism', which has caused over 100,000,000 deaths by murder and starvation, is the 'Best Approach' for 'Change' in America.


TS

Being the leader of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a locally funded project, is a bit different than being on the board of the Annenberg Foundation.

Shame on you for distorting the truth, I suggest you give us 5 Hail Mary's to redeem yourself.

William


I am doing well these days, I have been taking an extended vacation from TH but I thought I would drop in for a couple of posts.

Hope all is well with you!

Wicked attack Believers

"9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Cor 6-10 NIV

Now that
Barack Hussein Obama has declared himself to be a Muslim, how soon will MichelleO and her daughters find themselves tied down to a table and their insides being carved out with no sanitation and no anesthesia; their expensive designer clothes replaced with the black rags of the taliban? Think about it Michelle. Muslims consider females lower that barnyard animals.
Being the first wife, Michelle would expect to be the senior wife to Barack's three new wives, but she will really be the Old Crone who failed to produce a male heir, and be at the bottom of the heirarchy. Get out while you still can, Michelle.

For you Taft
By STANLEY KURTZ

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
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Just like every other part of this man's life, its covered in excuses, obfuscation and plain fraud.

Both men have common goals, and such as you support their pursuits.

He is able to deceive no one but those who will lie intentionally anyway.





As a New Yorker
"BTW, does Zero count the 95,000 direct and indirect jobs lost with the closing of the F-22 production line?

But WTF, he DID spend 787 BILLION for shovel ready jobs!"

I would prefer to spend money on a "shovel" job such as a new tunnel connecting New Jersey to Manhattan instead of the massively expensive F-22 program. I may point out, the F-35 project saw an increase of its budget.

I would also point out, once this new tunnel is completed, it will generate revenue for many years to come.

But i do understand your position since you are a Federal employee.



Retired Geek
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:06 AM EST
Hal Donahue et al

Truth is never out of power.

Truth is NOT decided by a majority or a minority.

Truth is NOT decided by an election, win or lose.

Truth is NOT dictated by a man."

True BUT you miss the FACT that your relationship with truth is tenuous at best almost as weak as your contact with reality

"...Barack Obama is NOT God."

Gosh see here you talk in your extremist language that has little meaning for moderates and liberals. We don't need a specific god or strong leader to justify our existence it is you folks that must play follow the fuhrer

HEY HAL @
YOUR COMMENT: For political and religious reasons you create a false problem, abortion, when the real problem is unwanted pregnancy.

My Answer: There would be no unwanted pregnacies if young women were taught to keep their legs together and young men were taught to keep their zippers closed. Isn't it really a moral issue or have we reverted to being primal creatures to exercise our lusts when and where we desire. Too many loose morals results in too many babies being murdered.



Careful there Geekbot

By typing the words of the Shahada may indeed make you a Muslim.

But I would say, if you cut&pasted these words, Allah may give you some slack.


gunnyg federal employee/sad little man
"Date: Jun 9, 2009 - 9:00 AM EST
HAL THE LYING REMF POGUE
We've lost?...Not hardly moron. But keeping spewing your lies because, as a self-admitted liar (I have the your post saved), you cannot help it..."

You are a PROVEN liar my sad little man but that aside, yes loser. Your extreme conservative views are toast/done. NY Republicans are RINO's remember?

"...BTW a**hat, how about that sweeping CONSERVATIVE win all across Europe? ..."

LMAO I sure wish that you would get some kind of education geesh. conservatives in Europe are as close to US Democrats as you can get. Our left wing is even to the right of European socialists. You folks are much closer to European fascist, racist or nativist parties

Barack Obama's 'Blue Shirts'

First they came for the Babies
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a baby

Then they came for the Handicapped
And I did not speak out
Because I was not handicapped

Then they came for the Mentally Ill
And I did not speak out
Because I was not mentally ill

Then they came for the Elderly
And I did not speak out
Because I was not elderly

When they come for Me
And there is no one left
Who will speak out for me

My paraphrase of Pastor Martin Niemoller's famous poem.




Oh Gunny
"THAT is why there is a growing call for his vault copy to be released.

Once that is done, he'll be impeached. "

I see you are still an active member of the Cult of the Live Birth Certificate.

How do you plan on impeaching the President when the Democrats have solid control of both houses?


Taft only in your reality

Taft only in your perverted reality does your declarations have any values.

When you stated that you would have been a NAZI collaborator just like George Soros, you lost any credibility.

BTW, your 'Mentor George Soros' is a major funder of 'FactCheck'.

Dsft Taft
Not so, but this smear is openly and honestly talked about at Factcheck.

HAHAHAHA! Yeah, like they'll ADMIT being a took for Maobama and Soros.

Liberals truly are babes in the woods.

Connect the dots....
It is what it is.

Too many critical statements about our nation.

Too many apologetics directed toward the USA advising the defense and protection of the Muslims.

Too many divisive polices promoting the "remaking of this country."

Too many pundits and reporters calling him "brilliant", "the One", "God", and bowing to him in body, heart, mind and soul.

Too many tangible lapses where he could have concretely demonstrated his true faith if he truly is a Christian.

Too many friends, supporters and appointees who espouse atheism, homosexuality, racism, perversion and anathema- the opposite of what the New Testament teaches.

Too many trips abroad pandering to Islam-- an ideology sworn to destroy us.

Too many snubs of our allies.

Too many economic programs designed to produce fiscal meltdown.

Too many denials of extremism and terrorism as real and present dangers.

Too many examples of hubris, arrogance and willfulness.

Too many polls giving numbers to convince us that everything is just peachy.

Too many questions not asked by a free societies subverted media.

Too many personal history documents from his past, hidden at great expense and for unknown, questionable reasons.

And finally...

Too many Patriots crying out against him not to be believed.

http://americangrandjury.org-- Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

Barack Obama and Islam

Barack Obama in an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet...."

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

Alison
THAT is why there is a growing call for his vault copy to be released.

Once that is done, he'll be impeached.

And we'll LOMFAO at the stupidity of liberals and they'll be lucky to be elected to dogcatcher for 25 years afterwards.

Finding the facts
"
Barack Obama and William Ayers were on the Board of Annenburg, which owns and operates factcheck.org."

Not so, but this smear is openly and honestly talked about at Factcheck. The truth is very scary to some people.

Retired Geek
GREAT POINT!

Follow the money and it goes from Soros to factcheck.

Check THIS out.

"Are the 600,000 imaginary jobs Maobama promised yesterday in addition to the 2,000,000 imaginary jobs previously created or saved, or is the old number just inoperative?”

April 2009, Zero said we already had saved 150,000 jobs.

January 2009, Zero's admin promised to “save or create” 3.5 or 4 million jobs.

Then 2 million.

Now it's “job equivalents.”

FACT: Unemployment is at 9.4% and we’ve lost 2.9 million jobs this year.

BTW, does Zero count the 95,000 direct and indirect jobs lost with the closing of the F-22 production line?

But WTF, he DID spend 787 BILLION for shovel ready jobs!


Until the Age of Five

It has been said "Give me a child up to
the age of five..."

Because that is the time it takes to lock
them in.

Obama was never locked into either Christianity
or America. Don't forget it.

He did not come to this country, in other words
this was not HIS country, until after the age
of eleven.

You figure it out.

Hal Donahue et al

Truth is never out of power.

Truth is NOT decided by a majority or a minority.

Truth is NOT decided by an election, win or lose.

Truth is NOT dictated by a man.

Barack Obama is NOT God.


Many Ways to Check Data and Facts

factcheck.org is NOT one of them.

Barack Obama and William Ayers were on the Board of Annenburg, which owns and operates factcheck.org.

Fact Check.org is unofficially a Barack Obama support web site - that is a 'Fact'.