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Saturday, July 12, 2008
Paul  Weyrich :: Townhall.com Columnist
History and the Judiciary
by Paul Weyrich
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I am neither an attorney nor an expert in Constitutional law. Others have been good enough to say I am a good strategist. If so, then I would like to share my perspective of the current state of the judiciary. I have listened as a debate is occurring over the proper powers of the courts and the tendency of some Americans to cede to the advocates of unrestrained judicial power victories to which they are not entitled.

I am occasionally referred to as a "founder of the modern conservative movement." Such an honor places upon me and others to whom such a description applies a special duty to warn our fellow citizens. Americans today are witnesses to the realization of the great fear of our Founding Fathers: the passing away of government "of the people, by the people, for the people," as President Abraham Lincoln stated, in the United States of America. With respect to the courts, we need a revival of the rule of law based upon the constitutional principles laid down by those who founded this nation.

Our forefathers gave their lives to liberate us from the rule of a British Parliament unelected by the American colonists:

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism , it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government.... (Emphasis added.)

The grand formalities of American election rituals hide a glaring fact: Americans can no longer claim that we are our own rulers in every circumstance in which we are empowered to be. Regardless of our votes, the defining judgments in our collective and personal destinies often are made by persons whom the American people have not elected to rule.

We gave judges their robes and gavels so that they might resolve specific disputes between specific plaintiffs and defendants. We never gave them authority to issue commands to our elected lawmakers, forcing us down roads which we have not chosen to travel. Judges have no constitutional authority to make laws or to amend our national and state constitutions. They have no authority to redefine words and concepts in our laws to mean what they and their ideological partisans wish for them to mean.

To Americans of previous generations this was obvious and fundamental. But for many in America today, this is meaningless, a mere technicality: judges are supreme because, well, because they just are.

When several judges opined that there ought to be no more prayer in American schools, lawyers, politicians and journalists told us that after three centuries of prayer in our schools, judges had suddenly "outlawed" it. Court opinions interpreting law and social custom magically became the law itself.

After three centuries of Americans exercising their right to control their communities as citizens and to keep pornography out of public view, several judges opined that the Founding Fathers had given pornographers a right to pollute us and our children, a right that does not exist in the United States Constitution. They put us on a course that has almost obliterated the ideal of fidelity of body, mind, imagination and the heart, upon which marriage, family and child-rearing are built.

Nevertheless, lawyers, journalists and politicians announced that this opinion was to be the new law though it had no basis in the Constitution or in any law authorized by the American people via their chosen lawmakers.

Likewise, judges - acting on behalf of a tiny, anti-constitutional, self-styled cultural "elite" dedicated to turning America into an ideological utopia - opined that the American people may neither protect children from violent murder in their mother's womb, nor outlaw sodomy, nor restrict their civic blessing upon marriage to nature's definition of it, nor ensure that parentless children are placed with parents as nature defines them: one father and one mother.

Nor should I forget to mention judicial disregard for centuries of customary, legal and constitutional protection of private property in order to provide legal sanction for powerful, corrupt politicians lusting after other men's land or buildings. "Take what you please," they said in essence. And this was now the law. One hand washes the other.

Many of us received in shock and sadness the Goodridge v. the Department of Public Health of Massachusetts opinion on homosexual marriage. Why do self-styled "conservatives," lawyers, politician and pundits among them, spread the assertion that judges have powers that the American people have never given them?

The truth is that the ruthlessly enforced illusion of judicial supremacy did not merely empower judges and disenfranchise the American people. It made journalists, lawyers and clever politicians more influential culturally. Most, after all, are of the same ideological bent as many judges. And those who were not, the "conservatives," played within the new rules: judges' opinions are the law in the United States of America.

If Americans paid attention, understood what is at stake and agreed upon the solution, their long-term strategy would require:

* an string of primary victories by candidates who fully grasp the fact that judges have no authority to change our laws and who aggressively will oppose all claims to the contrary;

* an unbroken series of triumphs by such constitutionalist candidates in general elections, year after year;

* an unbroken series of nominations of judges who will interpret the law and will reject the noxious and absurd myth that previous court opinions are "the law of the land"; (Presidents Ronald W. Reagan and George H. W. Bush gave us activists such as Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter!);

* an unbroken series of Senate confirmations of originalist judges;

* unwavering constitutionalism by originalist judges in their years on the bench, withstanding daily assault by infuriated cultural "elites" who grew accustomed to using legally void and impotent court opinions as bulldozers to deceive and enslave Americans via a-moral, anti-constitutional and increasingly tyrannical judicial delusions.

Not a single signer of the Constitution (or of the Declaration of Independence) would have taken seriously the purportedly "conservative" view today that to restrain judges we need to replace them through attrition over decades. That view, in my opinion, guarantees a victory of the far left because it implies that the judicial branch is the final authority on the law.

In his book and British Broadcasting Corporation series Civilization, historian Sir Kenneth Clarke noted that after the dissolution of the Roman Empire, scattered pockets of normalcy continued for a surprisingly long time. How will we know, living in such "pockets of normalcy," when our republic has collapsed? Has it already? Are we prisoners who still think themselves free?

For the sake of this republic I urge my friends, fellow leaders and Americans emphatically to repudiate the devastating myth that judges have the power to make and redefine our laws. We should do so rapidly and forcefully before our republic is replaced by the irresistible tyranny of men and women who believe that nihilist elites should make the rules and pass them to judges for formal announcement when the time is ripe for the latest step into the post-rule of law, post-moral abyss. Otherwise our "conservatism" will continue to be merely the rearguard for subtle left-wing revolution.

The tragedy of how we have reached this point: in our desire for social acceptance and respectability among the anti-constitutional, anti-rule of law, anti-Christian, anti-family nihilist left, "conservative" elites have abandoned the core principles of our Constitution. We have flouted the warnings of the likes of Thomas Jefferson, who wrote:

To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. ...The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots.

Alexander Hamilton was perhaps the strongest advocate of "judicial review" - the right of judges to opine on our Constitution. But an opinion on the meaning of the Constitution is merely an advisory opinion to the legislative and executive branches of government. Not even Hamilton imagined that the right to opine is a power to rule. Courts, he pointed out, intentionally have been given no means of enforcing their opinions, noting that the executive and legislative branches are not compelled to obey false or dubious opinions. Therefore, he wrote:

...The judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution. ... [T]he judiciary...has no influence over either the sword or purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither force nor will....

Abraham Lincoln acknowledged that court opinions were binding upon the specific parties involved and "entitled to very high respect and consideration...by all other departments of the government." But like the Founding Fathers, he utterly rejected the myth that judges' opinions are the law of the land:

...If the policy of the government, upon vital questions, affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made, in ordinary litigation between parties, in personal actions, the people will have ceased, to be their own rulers, having, to that extent, practically resigned their government, into the hands of that eminent tribunal.

In the last century cultural elites created an illusion of judicial power that would be unrecognizable to earlier Americans, lawyers and laymen. After the American Revolution, the framers of the Constitution rejected any judicial authority over the other branches of government.

I fear the conservative elites are putting the final nail in our coffin. I know these men. They mean well. They are not pursuing their view out of malice. They believe what they are doing is right. Nor do I associate myself with some of their critics who often are accusatory, judgmental and angry. I look at results, and it seems to me that proponents of the status quo are allowing the legal profession and the courts to impose moral and civil codes which cannot pass federal and state legislatures. They foolishly are handing absolute power to anti-Judeo-Christian, anti-family ideologues.

This is where the trajectory of the post-constitutional pragmatism undergirding the "conservative revolution" has taken us. The story is not yet complete, but if we continue on this trajectory we may reach the point of tyranny and persecution. History reveals this to be true.

Many of those with whom I have worked for years unwittingly are aiding the far left in the destruction of America. It is time for our presidents, governors, legislatures and prominent citizens to call the bluff of impotent judges as Jefferson did and to ask them, as President Andrew Jackson did, how they will enforce their impotent opinions. The myth of judicial supremacy cannot justify governors violating state and federal constitutions, their oaths of office and the sovereignty of the American people. Look at the way so-called gay marriage has been imposed by judicial fiat, running ruthlessly over elected legislatures and the will of the people.

The Massachusetts Constitution contains the quintessential statement of the American form of government: "The power of suspending the laws, or the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature...." (Part the First, Article XX.) "[T]he people...are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent." (Part the First, Article X.) "The judicial shall never exercise the legislative and executive powers, or either of them: to the end it may be a government of laws and not of men." (Part the First, Article XXX.) "All the laws which have heretofore been adopted, used and approved...shall still remain and be in full force, until altered or repealed by the legislature...." (Part the Second, Article VI.)

Americans must debunk the Orwellian lie that has obliterated self-government in the United States and acknowledge Lincoln's words at Gettysburg in 1863:

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.... It is for us the living...to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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Paul M. Weyrich is the late Chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation.
 
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Paul,

Well written. I wonder if enough can understand your points to avert disaster. Maybe it is inevitable that corruption will bring down any structure designed by men.

Reading this took me back
To my youth and my 8th Grade Civics, and American History Teacher.(1958)

He made it so clear for all of us what the fundamentals of being an American meant.
I loved this subject

Your clear and thoughtful article took me back to a much different America of the 1950's and 60's.(before the hippies and anti-war stuff)

Thank you Mr Weyrich for this article.
I sincerely believe the American people are starved to death for a return to such teaching.
You have brought up a worthy subject that should be one of the most important today in the public mind.

Its horrible what the Courts are doing to destroy the confidence of the Nation at Large.

Thankfully there are many who still believe in the truths you bring for remembering in this well written article.

I take comfort in knowing the real truths of the Founding Fathers are based in eternal truths, and cannot ever be overthrown by the will of any man, even if men abuse these truths and I suffer from the abuse.
The Truth itself is still available to take refuge in.




Time for Americans to read Lex, Rex
Again

Samuel Rutherford
(1644)

For the lawfulness of resistance in the matter of the king's unjust invasion of life and religion, we offer these arguments.

Arg. 1: That power which is obliged to command and rule justly and religiously for the good of the subjects, and is only set over the people on these conditions, and not absolutely, cannot tie the people to subjection without resistance, when the power is abused to the destruction of laws, religion, and the subjects.
...
1. For the powers that tie us to subjection only are of God.

2. Because to resist them, is to resist the ordinance of God.

3. Because they are not a terror to good works, but to evil.

4. Because they are God's ministers for our good, but abused powers are not of God, but of men, or not ordinances of God ; they are a terror to good works, not to evil ; they are not God's ministers for our good.

Arg. 2: That power which is contrary to law, and is evil and tyrannical, can tie none to subjection, but is a mere tyrannical power and unlawful; and if it tie not to subjection, it may lawfully be resisted.

But the power of the king(OR JUDGE), abused to the destruction of laws, religion, and subjects, is a power contrary to law, evil, and tyrannical, and tyeth no man to subjection : wickedness by no imaginable reason can oblige any man.

Obligation to suffer of wicked men falleth under no commandment of God, except in our Saviour.

A passion, as such, is not formally commanded, I mean a physical passion, such as to be killed.

God hath not said to me in any moral law, Be thou killed, tortured, beheaded ; but only, Be thou patient, if God deliver thee to wicked men's hands, to suffer these things.

http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/rutherford.html


Thanks for debunking the lie that...
Paul, thanks for debunking the toxic liberal lie that "courts can make law" iterated far too frequently by too many self styled "conservatives" (Mat Staver, Jay Sekulow, Tony Perkins, Don Wildmon, Hugh Hewitt, David French, Ann Coulter, Laura ingraham, and the Limbaugh Brothers etc...)

As many people as possible must realize that executive tyranny not "judicial activism" is the main threat we face. Governors like Romney and Schwartzenegger enforcing courts opinions as if they were actual law in direct violation of the written statutes and their sworn oahts only to enforce the laws and statutes to which the people have given their consent.

Romney and Schwartzenegger belong behind bars for illegally issuing marriag licences to same sex couples. I hope many of your collegues who are daily repeating this dangerous lie that we just need "more conservative judges" to stop "abortion" and "gay marriage" etc...stop and realize that what we really need are governors and presidents and legislators who uphold their oahts of office to not treat court opinions as if they were law.

Perhaps people will now begin to realize the truth which is that there are many "conservatives" who are to blame for treating court opinions such as Roe and Goodridge as if they were the law.

The conservative "movement" will never reform itself until this truth comes to light.

Thanks for helping reveal the truth Mr. Weyrich.


Thomas Jefferson quote
I'm going to get that tattooed onto my forehead so every leftist I meet will be forced to read it. (I'll pretend I just want to give them therapeutic hugs.)

Weak wills
The reason we don't primary out enough liberal Republicans is the same reason many of us will vote for McCain: too many conservatives buy the persistent lie that they need the GOP more than it needs them. They nominate the bums over and over again because they fear what will happen if they run an untested and less-known candidate against a typically ruthless Democrat. They convince themselves that this election is the most important in their lifetimes, so they have to hold their noses and vote for the liberal Republican - this time. They tell themselves that next time they'll get rid of the bum. The next election will not be as critical. Two, four, or six years later, the cycle repeats itself.

The Rockefeller types who control the GOP know exactly how you think. They've been exploiting you for years. Even now, you're telling yourself that Lestat just doesn't understand; this really is the Big One. This is the one we just cannot lose, no matter how liberal the Republican is. They have you right where they want you. Nothing will ever change because you're too afraid to go out and make it happen.

I for one plan to show the GOP this November that it does not control me. I will vote for good congressional, state, and local candidates, but not McCain. I will vote for a third-party candidate, and I know many other conservatives will, too. Join us in sending the message that liberalism in either party is unacceptable.

Action, You nailed it
A Governor, a President or a Member of the House who will allow a Court to overthrow the US Constitution is more guilty of breaking their Oaths of Office than the Judges who issue an Unconstitutional decision.

Roe v. Wade

Affirmative Action

Lawrence v. Texas

Susette Kelo, Kelo v. City of New London

And the insane decision granting enemy combatants habeas corpus
Boumediene v. Bush

Goodrich v MA.

California twisting all law, English and State Constitution in its bizarre judgment just recently

Everyone one of these is an Abortion of the Law and Constitution.

Where is the Impeachment Proceedings for these judges?

Did you hear that Staver, Coulter, Bopp?
Did you hear that Jay Sekulow, David Limbaugh, Tom Minnery, Tony Perkins, Laura Ingraham, Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett, Matt Barber, et al?

Every time you repeat the lie that the court "legalized same sex marriage" in Mass and California you (in the words of Mr. Weyrich):

"(are) foolishly are handing absolute power to anti-Judeo-Christian, anti-family ideologues."

Take heed mercenary celebrtity "conservatives"

Please educate yoruselves on our constitutional form of government before you do any more damage surrendering the culture war to the left by ceding the lie that courts can "legalize" stuff!

Weyrich is right. Just listen to him.

Weak wills . . . NOT
"I for one plan to show the GOP this November that it does not control me. I will vote for good congressional, state, and local candidates, but not McCain. I will vote for a third-party candidate, and I know many other conservatives will, too. Join us in sending the message that liberalism in either party is unacceptable."

Lestat, you are the kind we don't need in the party right now. John McCain is conservative on many issues even though I disagree with him vehemently on others.

I WILL VOTE McCAIN because Obama CANNOT become the President. If you care at all for conservative issues, you would not be voting third party. Think of the Supreme Court. There WILL be at least 2, if not 3, retirements from the liberal side of the bench. The Supreme Court is where the dems rule the country from . . . and will. Think abortion, 2nd Amendment, Fairness Doctrine, etc.

Did you like Ronald Reagan? Ronald Reagan would tell you to support the Party. With Judges, Iran, and the economy being an issue, Obama should never get near the Oval Office.

THINK AGAIN!




Obama will win, McCain is toast
our problems are spiritual not political. Only a real Christian Revival can save our nation. The sooner people realize that is the issue the better. McCain is superior to Obama on a few issues but won't be able to get "conservative judges through" (which as Mr. Weyrich shows shouldn't be an issue if the other branches were actually doing their jobs and ignoring the unconstitutional ones)and will have no chance at any serious social or economic reforms with a Dem Congress.

It's moot anyhow. McCain is going to get shallacked. it's not going to be close and the GOP will get what it has deserved for our so called "leaders" lining up behind the most liberal of all the candidates Mitt Romney who paid many of our leaders off with money and promises of carreer advancement etc...

Only revival will save us from God's Judgement.

May He have Mercy on us...

The name of this article should have
been: "Hey you fake conservatives, Quit treating court opinions as if they were the law. Grab your cojones and start upholding your constitutional oaths by ignoring unconstitutional opinions and impeaching any communist judge who issues an anti-constitutional opinion."

Period!

talent scout
This is exactly what many of us were arguing in the Terri Schiavo case. W's brother sat idly by while a citizen of his state was dehydrated to death by court order. We wouldn't even allow anyone to treat a dog that way. I wrote him a letter urging - begging - him to intercede. But he chose the cowardly route of acquiescence to "the law of the land." No one may defy the Kings. They have absolute power to do whatever they want - even over the wills of the people and their elected representatives.

I wrote him a letter also
Lestat writes:- 1:55 AM EST
Subject: talent scout
This is exactly what many of us were arguing in the Terri Schiavo case. W's brother sat idly by while a citizen of his state was dehydrated to death by court order. We wouldn't even allow anyone to treat a dog that way.
===
I told Jeb Bush he was exactly like Pilate, and gave in to allowing an innocent man to die, and knew that is what he done.
He tried washing his hands too

Jeb is as guilty as the killers of that defenseless woman

Pat
We agree. I'm not "in the party right now." I only vote for Republican candidates who are somewhat close to my ideology. No one will ever fit my exact preferences, but McCain isn't even close.

I hear all the time that McCain is conservative on some issues. I like how Ann Coulter puts it: McCain votes for the minimum conservative policies that he has to to get elected in Arizona. For every position you cite for his conservatism, I can cite at least one liberal position of his in the same general category (taxes, pro-life, guns, energy/GW). Cap and trade will devastate our economy, and only Republican opposition in Congress can stop it - and they won't fight McCain on it. The one supposed bright spot, national security, will be largely irrelevant anyway. Iraq is all but won (the Iraqis can now handle the clean-up duty). The biggest threat right now is Iran, and no one has the will or the public support to stop them from acquiring nukes. We can only pray the Israelis do the world a favor once again.

Pat, Part II
Judges? Gang of 14. Alito's too conservative. Even Rep nominees have been rolls of the dice (Souter, Kennedy, O'Conner) - and that's when they're really trying! McCain cannot be trusted to even try to fight for originalists in a rabidly liberal Dem Senate. The court won't get any worse under Obama, and there's only a slim possibility that McCain would improve it. That's if the activists die during McCain's (guaranteed) single term, because they will not retire willingly.

Amnesty. McCain-Feingold.

McCain took a left turn around 2000. His record lately has been one of the most liberal among Republican senators.

Perhaps if YOU "care at all for conservative issues," you would join me in voting third-party. (I don't usually question the motives of opposing commenters; I just wanted to turn your phrase back on you.) The only reason such candidates have no chance is because you're more wedded to the GOP than to conservative principles. You also think your neighbor won't vote third-party and he's sure you won't. So you both "hold your noses."

If Reagan told me to support the party even if it nominates a liberal, I'd tell him he's wrong. Reagan was not infallible, folks, and his words are not always political gospel.

Pat
BTW, I should add - with humility - that my title "Weak wills" was not intended to denigrate you. I used to follow the same line of reasoning - although the GOP has not recently dared to nominate anyone as liberal as McCain. I'd still vote for Bush over Gore or Kerry, but hindsight would now make it tougher. I respect your decision, but I strongly disagree that it's the best strategy for our beloved country.

talent scout
I wrote to him before it was over, so I took a more positive route. I told him, among other things, that he had the chance to be a true hero - for both a helpless woman in danger and our representative democracy. I told him he would never become president if he allowed her to be hideously murdered like that. I will do everything in my power - legally and ethically - to uphold my pledge.

Voters Are The Problem
All of that was nice high sounding stuff but it omits several things. The court in Marbury v. Madison usurped the power of judicial review in a blatant conspiracy of the outgoing president Adams and Marshall and Jefferson did nothing to stop it. What he should have done since he had just been elected along with a legislator that backed him instead of Adams is to draft an amendment to the Constitution that defined the power of the court. By allowing the court to define it’s own power he allowed the Fox to be in charge of the henhouse.

Next that great American you quoted about the “government of the people etc.” along with the Radical Republicans in Congress are the one chiefly responsible for moving the government to a status of total power contrary to the Constitution which they then illegally modified.

No the real danger is not just when the courts act contrary to the Constitution and make law or interpret the law in a manner that defies common English. The real danger is when two units of the government team up with the court to aid and abet this. It is particularly bad when the units are Congress and the Courts. That is where we are at now. That part started with FDR when he packed the court with liberals. Even after FDR was gone those liberals lived on in the courts and in Congress. We have been living with liberal activists on the courts now for so long people think that is the natural order of things.

So that is the real problem also. If you have ever voted for a Democrap or a liberal Republican YOU are the problem.

Sad state of affairs.

Thank you, Paul - for pointing out the obvious... and what should be obvious.

Judicial activism destroys.

It openly and brazenly violates the separation of powers. And in the process, it trashes our constitution and threatens our freedoms. Additionally, it shows pure contempt for we the people who elect our legislatures - the only legal law-making body in the land.

But many of our "conservatives" are also enablers, as they deliberately or inadvertely sow the seeds of our country's destruction.

To all purists who don't find McCain "pure" enough; staying home or voting third party IS a vote for the oppositon, and for more Ginsburg clones... AND for more judicial activism.

Simply put, how many judges and/or justices has ANY third party appointed lately?

And to all you parents - how many of our public schools do you think actually teach the tyranny of judicial activism?

How about your kid's school???

Maybe you should ask them...



The standard Mclame speech
Voting for McLame because he is not as far left as O’Vomit is just like congress called it a budget cut just because they didn’t raise the spending as much as they wanted or planned.

A negative is still a negative and I have held my nose and pulled the lever for the last time with Bush. I did just like I had done in every election since Reagan. I held my nose and voted for the lesser of the evils, or as I used to say at the time, I voted against Kerry, I did not vote FOR Bush.

Voting for McLame because you think he will appoint originalist judges is wishful thinking and runs contrary to his record which is NOT originalist.

All that has got us is the Republicrats drifting further and further to the left. They are in search of that mythical independent voter who doesn't make up his mind until 2 minutes before voting. In other words, they are chasing a chimera and will lose more than they gain. As long as we reward them for this bad behavior they will continue to chase liberal votes by moving further to the left.

As the Republicans drift further to the left taking some of the Commiecrats issues for their own, the Commiecrats will drift further to the left. It becomes an endless cycle of moving further into socialism. What we will ultimately wind up with is a “Stalin” running against a “Mao” and being asked to vote for Stalin because he’ll kill fewer millions than Mao.

People, if you vote for someone who has continually stabbed you in the back, then you deserve every backstab you get.


Judicial Activism?
Agreed, but too much of our laws is poorly written and too much of everything is interpreted by courts. But if the court rules that something written in legislation is anti-constitutional and the ruling is contrary to the intentions of the lawmakers then allowing the courts to make new law is the fault of the lawmakers. If a law says that grass is green and a court says it is not green, it is up to the lawmakers to find a new word, such a greenish-like, and at the same time tell courts in that legislation that it wishes not to be overruled. If the court again rules against the new word, legislators can say it is like-green.

Teehall

Ruling that a piece of legislation is un-constitutional is NOT making new law. It is simply protecting and upholding it.

But let's say someone like Bill Jefferson Clinton became a Supreme Court justice, he would undoubtedly say...

"Well, now that depends on what the meaning of the word is... is."

And that's decontructionism...

...which basically means spitting on our constitution.


Typo.

Should read... deconstructionism.

TH, how about a spell checker.

McCain may not nom. strict
constructionists to the Sup. Ct., but Obama will definitely nom. and get confirmed a couple more Ginsbergs, or three.

All politics is what's possible.

People who don't vote McCain may as well vote for Obama. Those two votes--Dem. or Rep.-will be the only ones that count in 2008.

4-8 years of Obama and a Dem. Congress will institutie full universal healthcare and the assumption of privacy anywhere will vanish. Forget med. rationing, etc.

O. promises military defeat in the Middle East and raising taxes, just to raise them.

He's admitted raising the capital gains tax always produces less revenue but Obamanation thinks *it's more fair.* He's promising *working women* a $10 an hour minimum wage, also recognizing raises in the min. wage always produce fewer jobs. But O. says it will be *more fair*--for the ones employed, maybe.

You'll likely have mandatory Spanish lessons and definitely have immigration amnesty. If McCain is *weak* to some on illegals, Obamessiah will be their unabashed amnesty savior.

Forget the entire homo-green'o--femo agenda of gay marriage, *equal pay,* yadda.

It would seem to me there is no choice but voting Rep. in the fall. For those that don't, it's your principles, but then just don't whine and drool for years when O. re-institutes the (un)Fairness Doctrine and requires a Robbie or Kimber post for every cons. blog. on TH.

Good job, Weyrich
Strict constructionist judges may stem the tide, even reverse it, but Weyrich is right. Only action by the executive and legislators can restore the balance that keeps both left and right judges in their proper place.

But...
reni 9:47 AM EST
McCain may not nom. strict
constructionists to the Sup. Ct., but...

People who don't vote McCain may as well vote for Obama. Those two votes--Dem. or Rep.-will be the only ones that count in 2008.
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So who is forcing you to vote along party lines that neither party represents the ideas of the Founding Fathers?

You are part of the problem in mu judgment.
You are owned by the political hacks that are moving the country away from those ideas.
Liked a trained puppy dog, you wait for their command.

Takes no effort to flow with the river, slow or fast decent and you are floating along with the same socialism of the left to allow yourself no independent choice.

I am voting Constitution Party, damn the torpedeos

Madison -Marbury
The justification for tyranny of an oligarchy is just not there in this case that I can find.


I know it is used for justification, but I read it and read it again and again and find no such power exists, only imagined and defined as such.

People believing this is the problem, they give it credence and there is none that I can find.
It was justified in in Cooper v. Aaron (1958)

The significance of Marbury has been enlarged over time into an unrecognizable monster that accepts the Supreme Court as Kings and Queens with the full power of Decrees.

An abomination of law, constitution and intent.

talent scout
Marbury is the case where Marshal decided he would TAKE power for the court to decide what the Consitution means. Nowhere in the Constitution itself does it give the court this power. From that one initial case ALL of the other grabs have flowed, for without that case, there could be no other cases not specifically given in original juristiction.

Jefferson siad it wa wrong, but did nothing. It wasn't until the 1850s until John C. Calhoun also said that the States had the power that it was questioned again. Calhoun threatened nullifaction of the Tariffs of Abomination and Jackson threatened federal troops.

Basis of Government
Is OF THE PEOPLE.
Its the first principle of Law, Constitution and Intent.

Its hammered into the minds of Americans today we only have 3 powers of Government.
This is the lie that gives credence to being ruled by Judges.

There are 4 powers of Government and the 3 given credence WORK FOR THE PEOPLE.

Servant Government
Not Rulers.

This is the ideas and Spirit of America that is lost on this generation.
They have accepted the Government in the same frame of mind the Colonies had accepted King George the III.

This idea was tossed out of America by the PEOPLE.
Who no longer feel capable of self government and have ceded their RIGHTS to rulers they accept every bit as much as the slaves were forced to under the King of England

I disagree strongly Vic
Vic Location: SC
Reply # 28
Date: Jul 12, 2008 - 12:28 PM EST
Subject: talent scout
Marbury is the case where Marshal decided he would TAKE power for the court to decide what the Consitution means. Nowhere in the Constitution itself does it give the court this power.
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ts:
Marshall accepted his Constitutional Duty when a case was brought to the Court.

Article III spells it out clearly.
The problem I see is submission and acceptance of exceptional powers handed to the Court that are NOT in the Constitution.
Like this idea:
"living constitution"

This very sentence undermines the OATH of Office the Judges are Sworn to when Sworn in.

Any Judge that uses this thought pattern has committed a Crime against his own Oath of Office.
His Oath REQUIRES HIM to UPHOLD THE Constitution as Written.

Else why swear to it to begin with if its a "living document" and up for any change the social morals the judge accepts decides it is.

This is no different than the rule of a King, handing such power to a single man or 5 of them that can overthrow lawfully legislated law made by the people.
Their Rulers.

No place in the Marbury-Madison decision
Can anyone find an expansion of the powers of Article III.

It is not there, and just as Article 1 Limits Congress, Article III limits the Court.

Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, ....


Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;-
...
In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

Marbury-Madison fell under the above prescription as the SC having Jurisdiction.

I do not see how it could not in view of the plain language of A.III


Role of a Judge is changed today
Instead of him judging the facts before him a case brings to trial, he has assumed powers about those facts to force the nation itself into being guilty of a crime.
Instead of limiting his judgment to a particular case as Judge Marshall did in Marbury-Madison

I disagree
NOTHING in Art III gives the Supreme Court the sole authority to judge what the Consitution means.

To see what I am talking about
Lets look at Lawrence v. Texas.

Instead of the Court deciding a single case before them, they took this case to judge the entire population of Texas.

Instead of judging the particular circumstance of Lawrence, they judged the entire Legislative Process of the State of Texas as being an illegal operation.

From that judgment, they decided all America was guilty of a crime against Lawrence.

We are all guilty and shameless bigots.

Seems to me, only God holds this sort of power to decide.
But the Court is above God in their esteemed arrogance of self will.

Ok, now show me
Vic writes:- 1:52 PM EST
Subject: I disagree
NOTHING in Art III gives the Supreme Court the sole authority to judge what the Consitution means.
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ts:
Where in the Marbury decision did Judge Marshall make such a claim?

Judge Marshall limited himself to written law.
He did not overthrow a single law in this decision, but followed due process of law and constitution.
He never said no one could ever be fired by the Government, he just said Marbury had a right to have this particular set of circumstance to be heard by existing law.

Marshall did not dream up any new law out of his own head.
He followed due process the Constitution and Article III gives prescription for.


quote:
"To render a mandamus a proper remedy, the officer to whom it is directed must be one to whom on legal principles such writ must be directed; and the person applying for it must be without any other specific and legal remedy"

Yet Marshall did not issue Mandamus
quote:
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In the order in which the court has viewed this subject, the following questions have been considered and decided.

1. Has the applicant a right to the commission he demands?

2. If he has a right, and that right has been violated, do the laws of his country afford him a remedy?

3. If they do afford him a remedy, is it a mandamus issuing from this court? The first object of inquiry is,

1. Has the applicant a right to the commission he demands?

His right originates in an act of congress passed in February 1801, concerning the district of Columbia.

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He already had written law he went by

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/case14.htm

over power of the entire judiary
I found this article very spot on.I fear that the general populace has been dumbded down to the point thatthey do not even know the truth about how our government is supposed to work. The enemy with in has fixed the information flow to such an extent that the truth is drowned out. This group of individuals have lied about our founding fathers and their intent. If a law is found in err by the people at any time,the proper avenue is to pass a constituional amendment .Voted on by the states in majorty to insure it is the will of the people. This takes time of course,by desighn to give ample time to try to ensure that we don't get unintended circumstances,proper debate.Thank God for giving us the chance to live in the country he helped our founders to form. Pray for our country that we as a nation find our creators wisdom to save our nation. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Marbury was decided by Written Law
By an Act of Congress


quote:
His right originates in an act of congress passed in February 1801, concerning the district of Columbia.

After dividing the district into two counties, the eleventh section of this law enacts, 'that there shall be appointed in and for each of the said counties, such number of discreet persons to be justices of the peace as the president of the United States shall, from time to time, think expedient, to continue in office for five years.

It appears from the affidavits, that in compliance with this law, a commission for William Marbury as a justice of peace for the county of Washington was signed by John Adams, then president of the United States; after which the seal of the United States was affixed to it; but the commission has never reached the person for whom it was made out.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/case14.htm

What Marbury v. Madison did not decide
Was the idea the Court alone has the power over all questions of the Constitution.


It is not in there, not to be found.

Judge Marshall explains:
The second section of the second article of the constitution declares, 'the president shall nominate, and, by and with the advice and consent of the senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not otherwise provided for.'The third section declares, that 'he shall commission all the officers of the United States.'

An act of congress directs the secretary of state to keep the seal of the United States, 'to make out and record, and affix the said seal to all civil commissions to officers of the United States to be appointed by the president, by and with the consent of the senate, or by the president alone; provided that the said seal shall not be affixed to any commission before the same shall have been signed by the president of the United States.'

These are the clauses of the constitution and laws of the United States, which affect this part of the case. They seem to contemplate three distinct operations:

1. The nomination. This is the sole act of the president, and is completely voluntary.

2. The appointment. This is also the act of the president, and is also a voluntary act, though it can only be performed by and with the advice and consent of the senate.

3. The commission. To grant a commission to a person appointed, might perhaps be deemed a duty enjoined by the constitution. 'He shall,' says that instrument, 'commission all the officers of the United States.'

Going by Written Law
Is the Opposite of Mandamus

Mandamus is used only when the Law has no prescription for a case before the ruling authority.
King or Judge

Judge Marshall did not issue Mandamus, he did not have to.
Congress itself had made the Law he followed in his Judgment for Marbury over Madison's refusal to give the man his commission from President Adams.

Nor did Judge Marshall make a claim he alone has the right to decide all issues of what is and is not Constitutional as its been defined by lying lawyers of today.
Socialist lying pigs

Mr. Weyrich
You, who accept the notion that it is government's prerogative to police public morality, have accepted collectivism, the idea that the needs and wants of the collective constitute a blank check against the freedom of the individual. The judiciary, executive branch, and judiciary are simply taking your notion to its logical conclusion. By your very own acceptance of its basic premises, you are helpless to stand against the onslaught of any form of collectivism. Don't complain about it now.

Wendy, what are you reading?
Wendy writes:- 3:12 PM EST
Subject: Mr. Weyrich
You, who accept the notion that it is government's prerogative to police public morality, have accepted collectivism, the idea that the needs and wants of the collective constitute a blank check.....

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I cannot place any of your comments above in context of this article.

You did not read it did you.
Read the whole article

Wisdom lost
This, in my view, is the most crucial subject for a United States of America.

I borrow the wisdom of the Supreme Court itself, guess which case this is found in.




quote:
The oath of office, too, imposed by the legislature, is completely demonstrative of the legislative opinion on this subject. It is in these words:

'I do solemnly swear that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich; and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent on me as according to the best of my abilities and understanding, agreeably to the constitution and laws of the United States.'

Why does a judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably to the constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no rule for his government?
[and its a "living document"?]

[Or] if it is closed upon him and cannot be inspected by him.

If such be the real state of things, this is worse than solemn mockery. To prescribe, or to take this oath, becomes equally a crime.


talent scout & Vic
I have read your debate and must say most of it is way above my head. I wish I understood law better,but sadly,I do not.

With my limited knowledge,I do know one thing for sure. This is not a year to try to prove a point. The opposition party is too steeped in the idealogy of killing our party and all it stands for all eternity.

I maintain it would be better THIS TIME to vote for the candidate who is the most conservative. I know,McCain is not very conservative,but he has some conservative points. Obama has NONE. Nada. Zilch.

WE will not be able to come back and make a stronger party with Obama and the left all pulling against us . It will be hard enough with McCain. In my opinion,it will be impossible with Obama.

It would be interesting to ask Mr. Weyrick who he plans to support. I have known him for years and he is as far on the right as anyone I know. He says he is thought to be the father of conservatism. Will he vote for McCain?

I hope all who feel strongly that they will sit this one out,will have second thoughts. In fact I will pray for that. If my prayers fail,then I am the one who is wrong and they are right.


reni... and others
Some of you need to think things out before you regurgitate talking points.

"People who don't vote McCain may as well vote for Obama."

Let's use a simplistic example, without the Electoral College. If the total popular vote is McCain 500, Obama 499, Barr 2, would you prefer that those two Barr voters just voted for Obama?

For the hundredth time:

A vote for McCain is a vote for McCain. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for Barr is a vote for Barr. A vote for Baldwin is a vote for Baldwin.

I always thought the line was, "A third-party vote is a HALF vote for the Democrat." Is it half or whole? We should decide before the ballots are counted because we should have a consistent methodology.

Does this adequately illustrate the absurdity of your talking point? I will vote FOR whomever I think would be best for this country. If you believe McCain would be better than Barr or Baldwin, then vote for McCain. But don't blame me when you're pulling out your hair 70% of the time during a McCain administration, or 95% of the time during an Obama administration. You will have had a chance for something better, but you will have chosen instead to follow the herd.

Thanks for debunking the lie Mr. Weyrich
Thanks for debunking the lie that...
Paul, thanks for debunking the toxic liberal lie that "courts can make law" iterated far too frequently by too many self styled "conservatives" (Mat Staver, Jay Sekulow, Tony Perkins, Don Wildmon, Hugh Hewitt, David French, Ann Coulter, Laura ingraham, and the Limbaugh Brothers etc...)

As many people as possible must realize that executive tyranny not "judicial activism" is the main threat we face. Governors like Romney and Schwartzenegger enforcing courts opinions as if they were actual law in direct violation of the written statutes and their sworn oahts only to enforce the laws and statutes to which the people have given their consent.

Romney and Schwartzenegger belong behind bars for illegally issuing marriag licences to same sex couples. I hope many of your collegues who are daily repeating this dangerous lie that we just need "more conservative judges" to stop "abortion" and "gay marriage" etc...stop and realize that what we really need are governors and presidents and legislators who uphold their oahts of office to not treat court opinions as if they were law.

Perhaps people will now begin to realize the truth which is that there are many "conservatives" who are to blame for treating court opinions such as Roe and Goodridge as if they were the law.

The conservative "movement" will never reform itself until this truth comes to light.

Thanks for helping reveal the truth Mr. Weyrich.

But organizational "leaders" who have decieved their flocks about the law need to be defrocked. People who enrich themselves by deceiving others are not "well meaning" nor honorable people. And God will not bless our efforts if we fail to expose them.

talent scout
In the case the SCOTUS found the Judiciary Act of 1789 “in conflict with the Constitution”. This established the theory of judicial review. Marshall also said “It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is”. This established SCOTUS as the one who did this.

Now if you really want to find some interesting stuff research the history of this case. Marshall is the one who failed to deliver the appointment. Also, Marbury was one of many judges that had been appointed under a “midnight oil” set of appointments that Adams and Marshall did just before leaving office. Adams nominated Marshall to the court and got it approved then the president and the senate were all replaced by Jefferson’s people and Marshall went to the court. Marshall failed to deliver the appointment on purpose in order to engender the case. Then when he got the case he rendered a ruling which invalidated part of the Judiciary Act that dealt with the Supreme Court. His ruling ultimately wound up being that Marbury should get the appointment but SCOTUS did not have the power to issue the writ because the act was invalid. With this he left Jefferson with no avenue of response.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&v ol=5&invol=137

(what Jefferson should have done was have congress work up an amendment that said SCOTUS was NOT the judge or sole judge of the Constitution.

Rowly
It is not above your head.
Its so down to earth basics is why its missed by so many today.
Bring it all down to ground level and you can see it clearly.

It is not in the clouds above our heads.
No man on this earth has any more rights than you do, no man.
Not the President and not a Judge.

Rights are basic to every man, rich and poor, powerful and weak.

Accepting some man to be above you is what so many do today, that is wrong and weak.
One thing is above us all equally, the Law.

We hold the Office a man sits in to be above the man himself, and he is subject to the power the Office holds just as all the rest of us are.

All the powers of an Office is prescribed in the Constitution as written.

If the Constitution prescribes limits and duties, and a Judge dismisses limits or process of Law that defies an oath sworn to the written document, all the while he claims something is lawful or unlawful that is not written law, he has declared himself the Law of the Land.

This is exactly what the Supreme Court has been doing



It thus reduces to nothing what we have deemed the greatest improvement on political institutions--a written constitution.



In America where written constitutions have been viewed with so much reverence, reverence for rejecting the construction is insanity.
Swearing to a document the swearee is not bound to is madness.

If laws against sodomy were Constitutional when the document was written, only a perversion of its words can today call such laws unconstitutional.

We have perverts on the bench




I understand this Vic
Vic writes:
Subject: talent scout
In the case the SCOTUS found the Judiciary Act of 1789 “in conflict with the Constitution”. This established the theory of judicial review. Marshall also said “It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is”. This established SCOTUS as the one who did this.
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Any political decision made by a President is out of the Jurisdiction of the Court.
Adams made a Political Appointment to Marbury without a doubt. Midnight or high noon matters not.
He had the right to do that and did it by the Executive Powers of his Office.

The Congress had passed law that gives a prescription and process for a person after he is appointed by the President.

Once a Law is made, that law falls into the category of Justice.
Courts are created to Judge the acts of men under the written law.

Without the Law Congress itself had passed, then the Supreme Court had no Jurisdiction.
But once the Law had passed by Congress, this Law gave Marbury a Right to seek redress of the wrong done to him.

Article III is specific in the Supreme Court was given Original Jurisdiction for such cases.
Appointments to Public Office by the President.

A political appointment no doubt, but a lawful one, and protected by Law Congress itself passed

When Madison with held the Appointment that had been done lawfully, Marbury's only recourse to seek redress was the Supreme Court simply because the Law was not followed by Madison.
Who was not above the Law of Congress either



LOL
The laws against sodomy were all State and local laws. The constitution when originally written only applied to the federal government.

Now if you want to debate the subject of "incorporation" that is a different story and argument.

No Art III did not give them the power
that is exactly what Marshall said. Art III didn't give that power and act of congress can not establish it. Read the ruling.

Question of Superiorty is worth talking
About, and finding an agreement on.

Is Congress Superior to the Constitution?
Or the President?
Or the Supreme Court?

If the answer is yes to anyone of the above, then what good is a Constitution?
Where does Congress get it power for an Amendment?
Is it not found in the Constitution itself?
Yes it is.
Does the Constitution also give Congress the power to outlaw the Constitution?
No it does not.
Nor does the Court have such powers.

Why have a Judicial System if either a Judge, the Congress or a President is Superior to the written Document itself?

No need for a Judicial System to Judge Case Law if the Law is whatever the Judge says it is.

Judicial Review does not impart superior powers to the Court over the Constitution that gives them the power to Judge the Law.

Up is down in such a world.
Evil is good
Unrighteousness is righteous.

The US Constitution has Declared itself as the Superior Power over all the Land.
Over all Courts
Over all President
Over all the House

Article VI



This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States

"This constitution"

The one Ratified in 1791

Wrong
Vic 7:17 PM EST
LOL
The laws against sodomy were all State and local laws. The constitution when originally written only applied to the federal government.
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ts:
I know this question only came about over slavery.
There is no Federal Government Constitution separate from the States that Created the Federal Government by Ratifying the agreement that the States would accept as the Law of the LAND.
Not the Law of a superior power.

Article VI



This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.


Take note Vic:
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby,



Then why is A. III a part of the Cont.?
Vic writes:7:40 PM EST
No Art III did not give them the power
that is exactly what Marshall said. Art III didn't give that power and act of congress can not establish it. Read the ruling.
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This makes no sense at all Vic.
Article III is explicit in the Creation of the Supreme Court and its duties.

"Could it be the intention of those who gave this power, to say that, in using it, the constitution should not be looked into?

That a case arising under the constitution should be decided without examining the instrument under which it arises?"

How does a Court decide a Law without using the Constitution that the Court is Sworn to uphold?

How can a Court not look at the Constitution when they swear with an oath to uphold that very Document?

You make no sense for me yet Vic.

I cannot follow how you dismiss Article III which is Constitutional Law and Prescription for the Duty of the Court, yet expect them to follow that very document.





9 members of a most despised class
Heard any plumber jokes lately? Any architect or dentist jokes?
Heard the joke about the bus with 30 seats and 29 attorneys it that went over the cliff. The punch line being what a waste of a bus seat.
Attorneys are the most despised class of professionals.

The reason and the only reason that attorneys are put on the supreme court and not politicians is the assumption that only attorneys are able to apply written law and precedents based on written law to new and evolving situations.

When the court started talking about a living breathing constitution, that had to be a great time saver for the nine old attorneys. No more need to read and study. And of course it wasn't an old document that was taking deep breaths, it was some old attorneys ready for a gerontologist that were hyperventilating.

The Court still has the prestige of interpreting a written Constitution against the backdrop of the history during which it was written.
Does anyone believe this anymore?

There is no longer any reason to respect or defer to this political group which has clearly arrogated unto itself the power (not the right) to amend our Constitution at will. And it only takes 5 or the 9!

Glad you decided to join us, Paul.......
Those who've understood what has happened to the judiciary since the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 have been declaring such for well over fifty years. Under current economic conditions, the rise of the LGBT national socialists (one worlders) seems even more foreboding. Funny how history repeats itself isn't it, with the cowardly conservative intellectuals standing on the sidelines as they did in Germany in the 1930's. Whereas the internal squabbles among the histrionic (LGBT) among us have been resolved, the goal is the nonetheless the same.

convincing case
Weyrich makes a convincing case that he is not a Constitutional expert. The role of the courts in protecting rights against legislative encroachment is not a new one. It may be one that is being applied more universally that at other times in our history, but that is certainly a good thing.

The political problem that Weyrich is pointing to is a good one. If one is trying to get jurists who will give the political rulings one likes then one has to vet candidates very clearly. Appointing conservatives who take constitutional theory seriously will often produce results one doesn't like. That is why having so many Republican appointments on the court doesn't guarantee the results conservatives want.

Chain of Command has been broken
The Court has become a loose cannon, rolling across the deck of the Ship of State.

Wreaking havoc, by destroying the ships structure as it bounces across the deck with every wave of the sea.

The men who are to control the cannon just stand back and watch it plow into the super structure quietly.

Better to push the cannon over board than to allow it to continue rolling around the deck unchained.


The political hacks come now
Thanks to Lon
We can sit back and watch how the Court has become Political.

Anathema to its job description.
This is the entire problem.
People like Lon are on the Court

The Court wears many hats today
DHulme writes: 8:56 AM EST
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Those who've understood what has happened to the judiciary since the revision of the ALIMPC in 1955 have been declaring such for well over fifty years.
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When the Court began to decide it held the power to define the morals for all Americans,(based on the writings of a sodomite) it stopped functioning as a Judicial Branch of Government and became many different things.

Including Preachers of immorality
Politicians
Rulers of Divinity
Popes
Presidents
Congressional Legislators
And outlaws.



I must say
This is the best article I've seen on townhall in a long time. 5 stars for you Mr.Weyrich!

I agree, Saltydog,
Definitely a column worth saving!

Judges
Judges in general would be best served with a few examples of how "Hot Tar and Feathering" can beneficially re-align undue arrogance and hubris in a most remarkable manner.
Judges and lawyers in general have become convinced that they do not have to answer for their stupidity, even when it afflicts others with uncalled for pain and loss. Allowing them that attitude is a serious mistake on the part of the Law Abiding Public. Gratuitious hubris, stupidity and arrogance deserves a suitable reward; and requires such if the perpetrators are to learn an equitable lesson.
Lawyers are not noticably more intelleigent that plumbers and are certainly less trustworthy; you can rest assured a plumber will occasionally wash the filth from his hands. In that Judges are grown from the compost heap of lawyers, what other behavior can we expect.
It will be up to the American people to beat this bunch of liberal university educated miscreants back into some semblance of repect for the "Rule of Law". If we don't - this country is pretty much finished and it will be our fault.

Dwain Cleveland

Change
Today is sought through the Courtroom

This is a no brainer.
The Court has no Jurisdiction to change anything, not even a law.
They have a specific duty to judge law.
They can say if a law meets the standard the Constitution has set.
Judging law by the written law of the land is their duty.
Their power ends right there.
They cannot say the law must change society.

And proceed to force their own views on all of the Nation.
This by-passes the Law of the Land in how Law is to be made.

Take the issue of religion, prayer, speech in the 1st Amendment for example.

Constitution barred Congress from making a law FOR or Against religion and speech.
They have never made a law against religion and just recently made one against speech, McCain-Feingold.
This law is Void as it is unlawful for Congress to pass such laws.

Even so, Congress has never passed any law concerning religion, yet the Court house decided to hear a case about religion when the Court itself has NO LAW to Judge.

Taking away from the US Constitution the power over the 1st Amendment and become Legislators without DUE PROCESS of Law, to OUTLAW RELIGION.
In the Public Square.
Barring 1st Amendment Rights of Citizens who work in Government as a Teacher or Educator etc.
Legislating the mouths of those people in what they can and cannot say.

Not even Congress is given such power by the Constitution.
So how does a Court get this sort of power?
They do not have this sort of power, Lawfully.
And they break the law of the land in by-passing the US Constitution by Usurpation of power, and is the same old ABUSE OF POWER UNDER KING GEORGE

We no longer have a JUSTICE system
We have a perverted legal system, of, by and for the lawyers. The ursurpation of legislative and executive authority by judges is a criminal conspiracy of the highest magnitude. As this excellent article points out, just who in the he(double hockey sticks) gave judges any right to MAKE LAW?

The most interesting point in all this discussion is that those responsible for tearing down a nation/society with all their corrupt processes and ideas are always the first to 'go' WHEN the revolution starts.

I hope they will be happy with what they have done while they await their fate, sniveling, hiding and whining as the revolution gets closer and closer.

Even in this is not found
A new power by a Court to create a law that is Constitutional in their right to Judge a Law.
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Vic wrote:
This established the theory of judicial review. Marshall also said “It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is”
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This is true, and its also right.

The Courts duty requires this, else their Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution is mockery.

But even so, having the Duty to Judge a Law is NOT a duty to create a law they like better.

They are limited to say if the law passes constitutional authority, but limited to this.

Judicial Review does not then GIVE the Court any Power to create a law, which is the Duty of Congress and Congress alone.

Judge Marshall did not create any new law when he decided the Marbury Trial, he followed Written Law from Congress.

Nor did he tell Congress to change the law, and limited himself to Judge the Particulars of the Law as the relevant law applied to this particular case.

This judgment had no effect on any other part of the Nation, just this single case.

This Judgment had no bearing on any other man in America.
This Judgment had no bearing on the Presidential Duties.
This Judgment had no Bearing on what Law Congress passed.
None of this was decided by Judge Marshall, as he kept it to the limit of this single man and laws that address this ONE ISSUE before him.
Now how can anyone say today this case EXPANDED JUDICIAL POWER OVER THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF?

It does not, in any way do that, and is the BIG LIE BY LAWYERS OF TODAY.

The Judge himself is limited by the Constitution he swears his oath to.

And if he does not have to abide by the US Constitution as written, why swear an Oath to it?


The most outrageous part of all this
Is the US Congress itself.

Under the Constitution they are duty sworn to make and pass law.

It is their sole responsibility, no one else has the power to make law.
Not the President
Not the Supreme Court

In not doing its own duty as required under the US Constitution for the Separation of Powers, which powers are simple.

1. Create Law
2. Judge Law
3. Enforce Law

The Constitution gave the 1st power to Congress alone.
The Supreme Court is given the 2nd power.
And the President is given the 3rd.

Separated Powers.
NEVER to be INCORPORATED POWERS.

The Court is LIMITED to Judge Law.
It has no power over the Nation in what can be said, or believed in, for religion or politics.

They are OUT of the LOOP to decide a thing.

All Laws concerning speech are left to the States to decide, as under the 10th Amendment Requires it to be.
All States have made Law concerning speech, and done so lawfully by a Due Process of Law.
The elected State Legislators who have made laws against slander, defamation and libel, all constitutional.

Congress alone was barred from passing any law concerning speech or religion.
So how in the heck can anyone say the Supreme Court does have that power?

Congress cannot even pass such a law, Constitutionally.
And Congress is responsibility to keep the Court in its own Constitutional Duty and has FAILED MISERABLY.

Requiring the Judges to live up to their sworn duty, UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.
Which document is NOT a living document but is PRIMARY LAW




EQUAL JUSTICE
It has been writ, engraved and instilled in the minds of man..."NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW".

"No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it."
Theodore Roosevelt

It is obvious that judges are above the law. We need to heat the tar and pluck a bunch of chickens during the next election.

Even if there were men of good moral character, integrity and honesty presiding in our Congress who abide by our U.S. Constitution they could not get any laws passed pursuant to "of the people, by the people and for the people."

The Socialists on the bench and in the Supreme Court hold sway over the people because the professional, political parasites ruling in Washington, D.C. care nothing about the people or our country. Their one and only concern is staying in power getting their judges appointed.

Now you know why a law regarding 'term limits' will never be passed by Congress. Getting reelected is a lifetime endeavor for a position for life just like the Supreme Court.

Who Cares
My first thought when reading this article is that our country is so diverse now that many citizens do not even know what the role of the different branches of government are. Many people who come to this country now come to get out of the bad places they are from, not to become Americans. They come here because they know they will be taken care of. We don't treat this country as a special place any longer - any one can live here if they can get here.
American history is not treasured like it used to be - our public schools are failing to teach about the American culture which we see slipping away. We are no longer a melting pot - we are a country with groups who don't care one bit what the Constitution or Bill of Rights say. We have our politicians to blame.

Thanks for Debunking the Lie Mr. Weyrich
Thanks for debunking the lie Mr. Weyrich
Thanks for debunking the lie that...
Paul, thanks for debunking the toxic liberal lie that "courts can make law" iterated far too frequently by too many self styled "conservatives" (Mat Staver, Jay Sekulow, Tony Perkins, Don Wildmon, Hugh Hewitt, David French, Ann Coulter, Laura ingraham, and the Limbaugh Brothers etc...)

As many people as possible must realize that executive tyranny not "judicial activism" is the main threat we face. Governors like Romney and Schwartzenegger enforcing courts opinions as if they were actual law in direct violation of the written statutes and their sworn oahts only to enforce the laws and statutes to which the people have given their consent.

Romney and Schwartzenegger belong behind bars for illegally issuing marriag licences to same sex couples. I hope many of your collegues who are daily repeating this dangerous lie that we just need "more conservative judges" to stop "abortion" and "gay marriage" etc...stop and realize that what we really need are governors and presidents and legislators who uphold their oahts of office to not treat court opinions as if they were law.

Perhaps people will now begin to realize the truth which is that there are many "conservatives" who are to blame for treating court opinions such as Roe and Goodridge as if they were the law.

The conservative "movement" will never reform itself until this truth comes to light.

Thanks for helping reveal the truth Mr. Weyrich.

But organizational "leaders" who have decieved their flocks about the law need to be defrocked. People who enrich themselves by deceiving others are not "well meaning" nor honorable people. And God will not bless our efforts if we fail to expose them.

What now?
So, what now? The judiciary
HAS grabbed power. We've allowed it, thinking that reigning judges have the final say. Liberals have successfully blocked judges from being appointed. Can it be turned around? Can people be convinced that they are not victims, but hold ultimate power? I ask again, WHAT NOW? How do we change things? Where do we start? Liberals have had a long term plan that they've worked long and hard to implement. The nation has been cowed into submission. Where do we start and just what IS OUR plan?
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