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Friday, May 09, 2008
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Ultimate Conservative Nightmare?
by Mike Gallagher
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I consider it a banner day when I can render my friend Ann Coulter speechless.

The wonderful conservative warrior was a guest on my radio show this week (Ann is one of the best guests in the business) and I hit her with something so wild, so preposterous, and so outrageous, that she just, well, stayed silent for a few seconds.

After a long pause, she laughed and said, “You know, he’s just stupid enough that he might do it!”

The “he” in question is Sen. John McCain. Ms. Coulter has made no secret of her total and utter disdain for the GOP presidential candidate. To many diehard conservatives, Sen. McCain is that horror of horrors, a Republican with enough moderate tendencies as to attract people to him who might not ordinarily vote for a Republican.

So I thought I’d have some fun by sharing with her a prediction that one of my radio callers made earlier that day.

When the caller, Tim from Atlanta, first suggested it to me, I had virtually the same reaction as Ann. I was stunned.

“Mike”, he started. “Something came to me last night while I was watching the TV coverage of the primaries in Indiana and North Carolina. I was wondering just who John McCain might pick as a running mate and it hit me like a ton of bricks: I predict that after Hillary is finally forced out of the race, McCain will shock the world and pick Hillary Clinton as his vice-presidential candidate!”

Think about that for a minute. “McCain/Clinton 2008.”

After I pulled myself off the floor and sat back down in my chair, I asked Tim from Atlanta how that idea could possibly have any merit.

“It’s simple”, he replied. “The media keeps beating the drum about bi-partisan cooperation in Washington in order to get things done. People continue to harp about being tired of all this bickering and politicking and fighting. McCain is well known for wanting to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats – who could forget McCain/Feingold – and it’s pretty much understood that Madame Hillary would do just about anything to get back to the White House,” he said. “A McCain/Clinton ticket would be virtually unstoppable!”

The only thing stopping right now is the beating of my heart at the prospect of such a nightmare.

But his prediction demonstrates just how loopy this entire campaign cycle has become. It also reinforces the heartburn and headaches that many of us Republicans are experiencing as we get nearer and nearer to the general election.

Writer David Frum believes that John McCain is possibly the perfect GOP candidate in an ever-changing country. Frum, a daily contributor to National Review Online and best-selling author, thinks it’s a huge mistake for us to pine for the days of Ronald Reagan-era conservatism. He argues that a successful Republican presidential candidate will be the sort of person who demonstrates unshakable integrity, a willingness to shake off some of the previous conservative orthodoxies, and can challenge and even disagree with some of the cultural philosophies that helped define the Reagan Revolution. Frum makes the case that a successful GOP candidate will be the one who returns to fiscal conservatism, reigning in out-of-control spending, even if he or she wanders off the reservation over an issue like illegal immigration.

That view, of course, is heresy to a rock-ribbed conservative like Ann Coulter. In fact, when I asked her about Frum’s arguments, she chortled and admonished me to stop asking her about people like David Frum “who aren’t real conservatives.”

I greatly admire the torchbearers of conservatism like Ann and Rush Limbaugh and others who believe that the real peril is in Republicans even considering moving one inch to the center.

But David Frum is a smart guy, too. He makes a compelling case that if the GOP has any chance of retaining power in D.C., the party should realize that this isn’t our father’s Republican Party anymore. Instead of hearing all the supposed stories of Republican voters willing to support Barack Obama (a bizarre concept that I still can’t understand), why not produce a GOP candidate that Independents and even Democrats can support?

He seems to think McCain might be that guy.

Whichever point of view you endorse, it seems pretty evident that as Sen. McCain prepares to gear up for a full scale battle during the next six months, the Republican Party is at a crossroads.

Let’s hope Sen. McCain doesn’t choose to cross the road hand-in-hand with Sen. Clinton.

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He'll pick Lieberman before
Shrillary, even if Shrill would pull more votes to McAint.

A ray of light
Actually, that might be the best possible scenario for conservatives this year. That would drive more Republicans toward a third party candidate. Such a monumentally stupid move by McCain could finally cause the end of the GOP - or at least drive most Republican voters away this election year.

If the Republican Party cares more about its own power than conservative principles, then it will have to pander to the least informed voters to achieve it, because it can no longer take conservative voters for granted.

Why not?
First, Hillary's thirst is not for the White House; it is for the power of the presidency period. She won't play second fiddle to anybody.

As for mcCain being the future of the Rep party, that may be so. Such a concept shows clearly that politics is not about insuring the continuation of the Republic, it is just a business. AFC and NFC, American League and National League They all work for the same management. We root for the team that our fathers did or which is headquartered near our domicile. under the premise presented in the column, we root for our traditional party considering only whether the candidates represents our sex, ethnic or national group. Tweedle Dee and Treedle Dum.

It is long past time to abandon the Republican party and form a coalition of true Constitution supporting conservatives and get on with it.

The alternative is to pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Gasp...
Rarely has such an unthinkable alliance crossed these pages.
It would be unstoppable though. That much I must grant.
Just can't imangine him actually doing it.
There are greater things to consider here than unstoppability.
And I think Lieberman would be a far better such choice considering said things.




Gallagher, you should read
the column today by John Hawkins.

The kid gets it, and you obviously don't.

Your column: "He argues that a successful Republican presidential candidate will be the sort of person who demonstrates unshakable integrity, a willingness to shake off some of the previous conservative orthodoxies, and can challenge and even disagree with some of the cultural philosophies that helped define the Reagan Revolution."

Yeah? So why should conservatives even consider voting for such a guy? That's just Joe Lieberman in drag.

All that confirms is that the GOP is transforming into the Dem-Lite Party.

Further, your McCain/Clinton hypothesis simply reinforces the idea that you GOP Uber Alles types don't really have any principles at all. The fact that you call yourselves "conservatives" is a running joke in my house.

One star on this lame column, bucko.

The Convention
My favorite part of this would be having Hillary speak at the Republican National Convention. Would people cheer? Jeer? What? Would Bill & Chelsea be there? Terry McAuliffe? Would she also speak in Denver?

And maybe she could get McCain a speaking spot at the Democratic National Convention. He would feel okay speaking there, wouldn't he?

Gallagher's brain is running on fumes
Gallagher indirectly quotes Frum to the effect that it's no big deal to wander "off the reservation over an issue like illegal immigration."

Mass immigration (legal and illegal both) isn't merely "an issue." It's a nation-breaker.

If Gallagher and Frum don't understand this, they don't understand much. Even if they were merely "GOP Uber Alles" types as someone above suggested, they'd recognize that continued mass immigration is suicide for the Republican party, since the tax-eating poverty legions we're allowing in are overwhelmingly **NATURAL DEMOCRATS**.

Mr. Gallagher, Ann is right.
David Frum is a liberal masquerading as a faux-conservative. From bits and pieces of his book that I have read, his ideas fit right along with the Democrat party. I have no respect for a person who has sold out his principles (if he ever had them to begin with)) to say that the Republican Party needs to become like the Democrat Party in order to win an election. In my opinion Frum is no "smart guy" and his thinking is just that..HIS thinking. Of course Democrats can support McCain....McCain IS a Democrat! It does not take any smarts to see that!

"Wanders off the reservation" about illegal immigration? Give me a break! +70% of Americans oppose illegal immigration. This does NOT support wandering off the reservation as being acceptable. It is just an excuse Frum makes for McCain's behavior.

Conservatism works, and conservative principles are what have made this nation great! Liberal ideas and legislation have created a permanent underclass, +50% of which depend on government benefits of some kind or other. The GOP turning their party into a branch of the Democrat Party does not work. Just look at the money problems the GOP is experiencing...that is what tells the truth. Frum should just go join the Democrat party along with McCain since they both appear to be drinking the same Koolaid.

Robert E Lee
It's obvious that you're being sarcastic in some way, but I'm not sure if you're a leftist or a conservative.

Possibly Left (or just a Christian basher) because:
No conservative I know of wants "to build a Christian republic." We are a predominantly Christian country, but Christianity is not the official religion (the Left has instituted secular humanism as the official religion, but I digress) of our republic. Nor should it be.

Suggesting, through sarcasm, that Christian conservatives want "to build a Christian republic" is deeply dishonest. If, on the other hand, you really believe that should be a goal, then you're badly misguided. Freedom of religion is what has allowed Christianity to flourish in the U.S.


Possibly conservative because you wrote:
"The only thing that should be being debated on Townhall is the administrative details needed to make this a reality."

By "make this a reality" you were referring to the goal of preventing the Left from winning "the election in November." But extend that logic to all future elections, and you're basically suggesting that the GOP should do anything - even move farther and farther left - to keep the Far Left in the Democrat Party from winning any elections. I hope I don't have to explain why that fatally undermines the argument you presented.

If ...McCain is
...stupid enough to do something like this ...he will loose every single 'close-pin' conservative vote!

It was hard enough to make the decision to hold my nose and vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils to begin with. If he pulls a stunt like this ...he will alienate the entire republican base!

Thanks Mike! ...for your worst ...by far article you've written. I used to look forward to reading your articles.

Now I wish I hadn't read this article before going to bed. I'm probably gonna be dreaming nightmares all night long!

BrianR winning hearts and minds
one post at a time. Just a little encouragement to hang tuff. Like you need any. As one by one conservative leaders and commentators fall to the wayside, it is heartening to see you ever strong, yelling on the mountian top for the Republican party to right its course.

The Left is going to win come Nov.
Lefties are all thats running. McCain isn't as fa far left as the other two, but that's only cold comfort. The White house is lost to conservatives for at least 4 years. We need desperately to look at securing congress for the here and now.

For the future there are only two choices, either form or join a third party, or take back the Republican Party and purge the dead wood.

If this Hillary/Obama thing fractures the Dems, there will never be a better time.

Funny
I chuckled at this piece. It would be interesting to see a McCain/Hillary ticket running against an Obama/? ticket in this historical election. But I could care less about what Coulter or Limbaugh thinks about it. Their brand of conservatism is why we are in the sink hole that we are now in. So many in this country are disgusted with the Republican Party and the evils it has done since Reagan's 1980 ascendancy.

But it would be funny to see Hillary/John McC running together, though I would still want Obama and ? to win the oval office in November.




Why should conservatives
Why should conservatives "move toward the center"? Why not insist that the socialists move toward the center?

I can't see any point to Republicans retaining power if they are just like the damcrats.

Ann is a super radical
her single issue in life is to deport all (illegal) immigrants. Perhaps, she should just deport herself first to outer space.

Of course she is free to have any opinion or view. But to label others with whom she disagrees on this issue as non conservative is utterly pathetic.

the RR is not conservative, stupid
I greatly admire the torchbearers of conservatism like Ann and Rush Limbaugh and others who believe that the real peril is in Republicans even considering moving one inch to the center. >>

The Rushites and the Coulterquist are bomb throwers ... not torchbearers. These are the people that turned 'conservative' into a dirty word, and drove the Reagan democrats (our republican majority) away.

You mindless clowns need to start calling these Radical Right wing nuts and their ideological burka what it is, and it's certaintly not conservative. There is nothing conservative about burning down the party ... because it's not pure enough. And to do it in the name of Ronald 'never speak ill of another republican' Reagan is an insult to a great man and a real conservative. Reagan was a Big Tent republican, not a lunatic in an ideological burka! Reagan's conservatism brought the majoirty of this center right country together, and made republicans a huge majority. When Rush or his witch talk spew over their lunatic version of conservatism they divide even republicans. Now, you stupid drone ... tell us how these bomb throwers are conservatives, then report to your reprograming station for an idiot update!

Mike
First of all, thanks for making the coultergeist speechless! kudos!
Second of all, the left has already won this one. McCain is your nominee. Do you staunch cons feel the earth moving to the left? Welcome to the center!

McCain and Hillary? BS!
The truth is:

Clinton will eventually concede to Obama about June 15th, later Obama will name her his VP running mate.
Nothing wrong with being the first female VP, right Hillary?.

The FL and MI delegates and votes will be apportioned by amending the amended rules that struck them down to begin with by the DNC.

The Demoncrats will then spin the story that Hillary stayed in the race to make sure all the people were part of the process and that she just could not have FL or MI go unrepresented at the convention.

It was not for her own political gain, it was all for the people. Makes me weepy.

I know Dick Morris will not agree to any of this, but I can’t remember the last time Morris was right about anything. Remember Condi vs Hillary?

End of BS.

A logical lacuna
"...if the GOP has any chance of retaining power in D.C., the party should realize that this isn’t our father’s Republican Party anymore."

But the party's function is either simply to scrabble for power or to represent a particular set of views. If those whose interest in politics is to see specific policies implemented, can't trust the party to espouse their views AND to act on them when in power, why should they support the party?

For the GOP to abandon conservative principle out of the belief that conservatism is an electorally defunct posture would be for it to declare itself a clone of the Democrat Party -- one more principle-free gaggle of power-seekers who'll tell you whatever they think might get them your vote. I see no point in giving such a party my support; your mileage may vary.

John McCain is a good man
The best qualified man. He'd be the best war time Commander in Chief. The best defender of the right to life. The best opposer of pork barrel politics. The best at cutting taxes. The best at appointing conservative judges.

He's been in the battle all his life. He's a doer. He practices what he preaches. His whole life has been public service, and he's done it all on solid, moral principles. He's made mistakes because he's done much.

We have a great candidate, standing for good things, and many who should be supporting him are picking him to death. How about we get behind him? It's foolish to say things like McCain/Clinton. Shame on you.

McCain vs McCain
The real ultimate nightmare, the Dems select McCain as their candidate too. Then it will become a battle of the VPs on the ticket.McCain/Huckabee or Romney or Rice vs Mccain/Lieberman or Clinton or Obama.

Frum's wrong
"McCain is well known for wanting to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats "
He doesn't reach across the aisle, he walked across the aisle.
"Frum makes the case that a successful GOP candidate will be the one who returns to fiscal conservatism, reigning in out-of-control spending"
Give me a break. Do you know how much his amnesty will cost us taxpayers? More than any other bill in the history of the country.
"the sort of person who demonstrates unshakable integrity"
Does Keating Five ring a bell?
"willingness to shake off some of the previous conservative orthodoxies"
NO NO NO
"Republican voters willing to support Barack Obama (a bizarre concept that I still can’t understand),"
What's so hard to understand? If we're going to elect a democrat, we should get the real thing. One that the republicans in congress can fight instead of having to sit back and let the republican president advance his liberal agenda. Yes 4 years of Obama will be painful, but 4 years of McCain would be death to conservatism.

McCain’s got a new preacher problem

Clinton & Obama
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.These two women are bitter damsels.One does not even try to camouflage it.One will explode when it is finally over.There will be hell to pay with either.

Michelle does not like America the way it is. She especially doesn't like 'white America'.When Barry is president,he will change it to her liking,she thinks.

She will ,for all intents and purposes,be vice president. She will lead him to do what she thinks is good for 'black Americans'.To hell with everyone else.

Who would be so dumb as to pick Hillary as vice president? Is McCain that bi-partisian? She will want revenge against all her fellow Democrats who have turned against her for the 'annointed one'.

If her revenge was strong enough to make a difference and draw some 'blood',so to speak,it might be interesting.McCain would probably cede the power to her,though,then she would be 'Madam President'.What a proverbial nightmare this whole thing is becoming.WHAT A COUNTRY!!!!


Gallagher & Frum wrong
Good posts by BrianR and Not ashamed to be right. When Republicans run as timid Dims, they lose. Remember Ford, Bush I, Dole? Anyone who buys the lib agenda that Frum et al are selling is going to vote for the Dims.

Large majorities of the electorate favor border control, lower taxes, a strong military, and hard sentences for violent criminals, reducing welfare, and restrictions on abortion. How is running away from what the voters want supposed to be politically smart?

Answer - it's not smart, it's just liberal.

That would be the end for McCain
It's time to give this Clinton thing a rest. The Clinton era is over. Camelot is dead and gone. The come back kid Bill Clinton is not going make a come back in the form of Hillary Clinton. Hearing everything Hillary had to say demostrated nothing new coming from the Clintons. They both operate from the point of view that the Presidency is an entitlement. Hillary's not staying in the contest for the people. She's staying in the contest out of denial that the people would chose anyone over her. Every time Hillary opens her mouth an air of arrogance follows in her interpretation that she's the best candidate to face John McCain. What is it that the Clinton's supporters don't get. The Presidency is the only office Hillary is about to occupy. Hillary would rather thank Rush for his ever lasting love and support for her rather then run as John McCain's VP. Hillary is not the will of the people or the Democrat party.

Bi-partisan BS
I get sick and tired of hearing McCain talk about how he reaches across the isle to work with Democrats. Bi-partisan means putting party doctrine aside to accomplish the best good. Just once I would like an interviewer to ask McCain to name one time Kennedy, Fiengold or any other liberal has joined with him to advance a conservative cause in defiance of their liberal base.

McCain does not reach across the isle, he rushes across it every time the libs need a toady to advance another liberal cause.

Mike writes "He makes a compelling case that if the GOP has any chance of retaining power in D.C., the party should realize that this isn’t our father’s Republican Party anymore." My view is if they abandon conservatism I don't need them in D.C. Let the libs spend a few years with unfettered power and see how a new conservative party will emerge stronger than ever.

You liberals that love to blame conservatives for your woes will have your eyes open to exactly who is really the culprit in this destruction of everything good about America.


Taxitus X
I agree with you one hundred percent.That is the ideal every conservative should strive for.If that is true,why do they not get out and vote for the best candidate who espouses those virtures?

Maybe we need to hit rock bottom to open their eyes.As long as they can go rocking along,pay their bills,etc.,nothing will change.Many do not even vote,much less financially a good candidate

Maybe the next four years will do it.In the meantime,we need to find a true blue conservative and start working for the 'next time'.It will take some grassroots work,though.

We certainly cannot depend on the news media to aid us.They hate our guts and think we are dinosaurs,'way out in 'right field'.I think we are just 'RIGHT'.

Obama/Paul could beat McCain/Hillary
any day of the week & twice on the Tuesdays! If we are going to speculate McCain choosing Hillary as his VP, let's speculate Obama picking Paul as his running mate in responce to McCain & Hillary. (that would be enough to get me to vote for Obama if anything could) Hillary is seeming to be doing most of McCain's work campaigning against Obama so it would be understandable if he chose her. Somehow, I don't think Hillary is going to strengthen McCain's ticket. Democrats who dislike Obama would vote McCain whether she was on his ticket or not. Even if McCain were to pick a Democrat VP, there're better Democrats he could ask than Hillary! (Dean, Ferrero, Kennedy, Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, Algore, Kerry, etc)

oops,typo
....should read'financially support' a good candidate....

How Long Would It Take?
And how long would it take for McCain to have an "accident" in the White House? He'd make Garfield look like a lifer.

I still can't get over ...
the fourth paragraph where he said:
"To many diehard conservatives, Sen. McCain is that horror of horrors, a Republican with enough moderate tendencies as to attract people to him who might not ordinarily vote for a Republican."

No, the horror of horrors is not that MCain has "modertate tendencies." It's the full-out leftist tendencies. Then Gallagher refers to wandering "...off the reservation over an issue like illegal immigration" as if it's the equivalent of your local city council deciding whether or not to approve of a STOP sign at a new location.

I get sick of the left wing RINO's saying how some conservatives are pushing them out of the party. What about all the true conservatives being disenfranchised by the likes of the McCain's in the party?

You RINOS seem to think
that all "conservative" means is a desire to save money, fiscal restraint and lower taxes.

The conservative philosophy goes much, much deeper than that, and the fact that some of you guys are too shallow to grasp the concept speaks for itself.

More Wasted Space
McShame's chance of winning is about zilch and he may achieve the worst record of any Repub in decades, irrespective of VP choice. When given the choice, sheeple will vote for "free" everything versus an opportunity to give up your life to fight the terrorists. That is the platform of the two parties. McShame has nothing to offer. Hillary do a cross-over to be VP, and not the Queen with testicular fortitude? Never!

watercloset
are you one of the folks that recently got freed from Club Gitmo? Just curious because you seem to have been water-boareded way too much!

Death Wish
Anyone who would have a Clinton as their VP would sleep with the fishes within a fortnight. Ron Brown, Vince Foster, and Paulie aren't around anymore to ask about this, but I'm sure they would agree.

Simply Sorry
Drudge reports:
"says Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez, a suspected illegal immigrant, is being held at the Fremont County Jail. He's due in court next week to face rape charges of a ten year old girl who gave birth last month."

Hey all you pro illegal immigrant lovers, stick that in you trap and suckle on it for a while!

PIG LOVERS!

HEY LIB LOVERS
STICK THIS IN YOUR EAR FOR A WHILE:
"Up to 36 former Guantanamo detainees have resumed hostilities against the U.S., including some who have been taken back into custody or killed, the Pentagon says. Al-Ajmi is apparently the first to have become a suicide bomber, said Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman"


Wow, it just keeps gettin better everyday. Of course, those silly little detainees were just mis-understood freedom fighters.
GO LIBSQUIRTS, you just prove everyday how much you hate this country!

Boutte-call
don't you just love to hate your country???

No Way
McCain may be 70 years old, but he is not stupid. As others have noted, if he picks Hillary, he will join Vince Foster and Ron Brown in the great hereafter. His best bet is to pick a GOP governor with a good record, like Haley Barbour.

Why not a little God and Mammon?

Gallagher:

Standing for conservatism is not "torch bearing" and abandoning principles in order to get votes is not "a point of view" -- it's prostitution and/or treachory. What you call Reagan-era conservatism is just conservatism. It matters not who is executing it.

Principles do not become more or less valid or more or less relevant based on the opposition to them.

Correct principles are always correct.

Incorrect principles are always incorrect.

Liberalism is the name we use today for the collection of incorrect principles that lead to suffering, poverty and depravity.

Conservatism is the name we use today for the collection of correct principles that lead to happiness, prosperity and enlightenment.

This country will not survive on a diet of half-liberalism/half-conservatism. America was built on a full foundation of what today we would call conservatism.

Mr. Frum is not smart. He is really dumb because it is very stupid to advocate a course that will lead to the misery and suffering of millions and eventually the decline and fall of the greatest country on earth.

Wrong is wrong. Right is right. God is God and Mammon is Mammon. No one can serve two masters. They will hate one and love the other. And if they are serving liberalism, it is liberalism that they will love because liberalism is easy.

McCain and all other sell-outs are lazy and stupid. And that especially includes your friend Frum.

I guess
you pukes are giving your best:

NA NI NA NA BOO BOO to the 7 soldiers killed by former detainee Al-Ajmi! You scum disgust me to the enth!

Mike Pitzler
Well said. Post at 5:54 a.m.

Also, there is not even the slightest comparison
between far left Democrats Obama, Edwards, Kunich, Barbara Lee, Barbara Boxer just to name a few and John McCain. That is not an opinion or a view point. That is a fact.

A far left Democratic candidate will be opposed by the nominee of the Republican Party. McCain, by the way, is surrounding himself with conservatives. He has stated publicly he will appoint a conservative to the Supreme Court!!! Want a little nightmare tonight? Imagine who Barack Hussein Obama has in mind!

And above all, unlike the "I surrender" Dems, McCain has never wavered in his support for our fight in Iraq against terrorits!

Now. Is there some issues where McCain is not solid to the right? Yes. Once again, however, his views are not even close to those held by the hard left. These are facts! Agreed?

Maybe,
M Sederoff writes: You RINOS seem to think
that all "conservative" means is a desire to save money, fiscal restraint and lower taxes.

================================================

If only they went that far.......

It doesn't matter...
McCain could pick the Ann Coulter or head of code pink as his running mate and it wouldn't make any difference. We're screwed either way with him or Obama as President. After four years of either one of them, we'll be lucky to still have a country with borders.

How did we wind up with these two professional politicians? The people of this country are either uninformed or plain stupid.

Better Late Than...
From this article, quoting the caller from Atlanta:

"I predict that after Hillary is finally forced out of the race, McCain will shock the world and pick Hillary Clinton as his vice-presidential candidate!”

BTW, I first suggested McCain would contemplate such action, let's see....MONTHS ago on these TH blogs.

But hey, if a caller from Atlanta wants to take credit, so be it.

I think adding Shrillary to McCain's team would actually make the team more Conservative! Yikes!

Wrong Again!
The Nightmare is people like David Frum and the other RINOs who have forsaken all Conservative principles in the hopes of retaining power.

The nightmare is that the GOP has become just as corrupt as the DNC.

Power for Powers sake!

The nightmare is that the RINOs decided to nominate a Lying Liberal in hopes of competing with the other Lying Liberals.

I will be selling all my oil stocks this fall and hiding my cash in the mattress to avoid the Taxman.

But as this happens, I will be overjoyed at the devastating defeat that John McCain and his RINOCrats will suffer.

By The Way….

I can't believe ya'll don't know who McCain is going to pick.

He is going to pick his good buddy Joe Liberalman.

He will also have a nice job for his other good buddy Lindsey Graham.

He gets to carry the diaper bag with the Depends and drool cloths.


All about the Parties!
This piece is a perfect example of how politics has turned into some sort of celebrity extravaganza all but devoid of substance and issues.

It's all about the parties, right Mike!

Screw the GOP! Screw the Democratic Party! Screw every politician that is corrupted, which is just about every one. It's a real damn shame that the one building that wasn't hit on 9/11 was the Congress with a full compliment of Congressman sitting inside.

Reality has gone by the wayside. Soon it will be every man for him/herself in this once great nation, and it will be exactly because of the focus on political ideologies instead of the realities based on common sense and reason.

But hey, as long as the GOP one day rebounds everything will be great, right Mike! Naturally that doesn't matter if the one that makes it so is a fascist's fascist now, does it!

Sad, oh so very, very sad! Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams, etc., etc., etc. would get utterly smoked in an election today!

SOUNDS GOOD
This sounds good to me. Mac and Hill on the same ticket would likely equal an end to the Rockefeller Rep Party (who are Dems in almost all ways but by name) and be the final catalyst for the formation of a large electably viable conservative third party. Mr. Frum may be smart, but he is, or thinks like, a Rockefeller Rep. It is getting away from Reagan conservatism that is costing Reps elections, not that the party has changed. Do the Rockefeller Reps really believe this stuff or are they just spouting this nonsense in an attempt to convince conservatives to give up and vote for McCain et al because we have been convinced conservatism is dead. I recall this same line of reasoning back in the 1960's after Goldwater lost and again in the 1970's after Nixon and Watergate. But then along came Reagan.
Conservatism lives. Don't give up or give in fellow conservatives.

The Ultimate Conservative Nightmare?
There is a big lie that the far left is putting onto the American people. They have this wild eyed notion that once we withdraw our troops from Iraq that all will be rosy. They don't have the guts to level with us with the fact that terrorism is here to stay. ie. Look what's going on now in Lebanon.

My concern is that when that fact is brought home, say with repeated 9/11's, that America's will to persevere will be severely challenged.

It it weren't for this lie, conservatives would still be influential among the populace.

If he does
take Hildebeast as VP his security detail had better figure on a lot of overtime...defending him from the Clinton mob family

Tehran Kim
Shortest guano drop in your young life, Kimberly.

Soros pays by the word, don't you know.

Of course, lefties don't understand high productivity = higher pay.

gallagher

It takes a real authentic IDIOT to get excited about a very funny joke.

Semper Fi

gallagher

It takes a real authentic IDIOT to get excited about a very funny joke.

Semper Fi

The Boot-on-Your-Neck Party
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I dunno, Mr. Gallagher. It would seem to me that a McCain-Clinton ticket for the (nominally) Republican Party ballot is too explicit an acknowledgement that in the "mainstream" political flow of our nation, there really *IS* only one party - L. Neil Smith's appropriately-named "Boot-on-Your-Neck Party" - and that contests between the Democrat and (putatively) Republican factions are about as pertinent to lawful constitutional government in this country as a shuffleboard tournament on the deck of the *Titanic*.






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"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

-- Frank Zappa

I'm tired
of pundits talking about McCain as if he's something other than the final nail in the coffin of political integrity.

Pray for your grandchildren.

Looking at the lib posters here,
I wonder if have any idea what conservatives are other than non-Dems.Has it been defined lately, even to ourselves ?

I'll list some conservative ideals,others can add to or correct me.

The Constitution is CARVED IN STONE, not some evolving document subject to the fad of the day.

We realize that some one nation WILL be the premier superpower, we want that nation to be ours.

We believe the federal government has already grown beyond what the constitution permits,and it makes uneasy.

The nation was founded by men of Christian principles, but it is inclussive of all or even no faiths.

We believe people should stand on their own if thay are able bodied, not use government as a crutch. We don't think we should subjected to high taxes to support people who will not, not can't, support themselves. We don't mind helping those that truly need the help.

I think I got the biggies, time for me to get to work.

Does the GOP Want To Survive?

John McCain has not changed his mind about "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", amnesty, at all.

http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/28/b loggers_press_mccain_adviser_on_immigration
“John McCain’s position on immigration is very clear and this a question that gets asked at townhall appearances everyday in media appearances and has answered the question at least a thousand times before the New Hampshire primary,” Schmidt said.

He explained, “Any person who supports John McCain’s campaigns is a subscriber to John McCain’s views"

A vote for McCain is a vote for surrender of your country. Your vote for McCain will be used as proof that you want amnesty.



Many of us see another amnesty as the end of the Republic, the stampede it will set off will be overwhelming. If we don't stop the inundation none of the rest matters. We'll be a banana republic before the jihadis can get us. There will never be another GOP president or Congressional majority. Importing voters for the socialists is as stupid as it gets.


McCain keeps saying "Secure the border first". We know that he means amnesty next. The plan is to get the border state Gov's to declare the border secure. Conveniently, they are all on board the cheap labor express. Then his good friend Ted Kennedy will bring back McCain/Kennedy and McCain can provide his good friends across the aisle with their new permanent majority.

I will not vote for amnesty.

Does anybody know...
...if Juan Hernandez is eligible to be VP/Prez? Perhaps that's who McShamnesty really wants!

Hey, and what about Geraldo as VP?

Gawd, the U.S. is in trouble!

The GOP's Problems Aren't So Bad...
...that a little 20% inflation won't solve.

Let's face it, baring any major gaffes or October surprises, Obama will win in November. McCain is already short of funds, and as the primaries in IN and NC illustrate, at least 20% of conservatives will probably stay home this November. Game, Set, Match. Obama will be elected, along with a 12 seat Democratic Senate Majority, and a 100 seat House Majority.

Then the fun begins. I'm not sure why anyone would want to be President from 2009-2013. Obama will have his work cut out for him. A slowing economy, the expiration of Bush's tax cuts (and thier $200 billion/year revenue windfall);a rising and arming Iran; a belligerent China and Russia; problems in the energy market (an immediate problem for which promises of alternate energy sources hold no political water; double digit inflation in food, and a weak dollar. Not to mention Iraq (Obama promisies immediate withdrawl), and Afhanistan.

The Dems solutions to all of these problems are kind of fuzzy, feel good solutions that are short on specifics.

My thinking is that by 2010, Obama would have wished he remained in the Senate another 6 years and let Hillary or McCain take the fall. But of course someone who still has Marxists tendancies is not likely to see outside of the box.

Joe or Lindsey
My feeling has been that Mccain has no interest in winning the election.

My prediction has been he will pick either lindsey Grahamnesty or Lieberman for VP and effectively end the campaign, no matter who the opposition is.

You heard it here!

Hardline conservatives
There's just one thing that hasn't sunk into the thick skulls of the hard line conservatives. If one of them were running for president they wouldn't get the votes in the middle ground and we would end up with a far left president and a Democratic congress. At this point in time someone like John McCain is the perfect republican nomination. We now have a chance to keep the White House and he sincerely wants to fix some of the problems left from the Bush administration. The country can servive moving towards the center where Obama I'm not sure America would make it to 2012.

Dream Team McCain-Clinton!
A Christian republic?! Jesus!

The first thing to understand is that Ann Coulter is insane...OR she's an opportunistic geek, gleefully biting off the heads of live bats while separating wildly appreciative gawkers from their money. No third alternative exists, really.

In TH World, Coulter's derisive chortle passes for profundity and for intellectual superiority. To the rest of the world, her lucrative stand-up routine reveals a poverty of wit, soul and substance.

That said, who cares who McCain chooses as his running mate?

Once ordinary Americans start paying attention, what they'll see in the Republican corner is a wooden, worn-out, grumpy sellout...a pol who yearns to reward the guy who punked him in the 2000 primaries with a third term.

What's sadder than that...with the possible exception of the woman who's crashing her party into the wall rather than accept obvious defeat?

Maybe Gallagher's right. McCain and Clinton are made for each other.


Better than Obama
While I don't like Hillary or agree with what she says, I'd prefer her in the White House to Obama. Obama scares me. We are supposed to believe that he went to that church for 20 years and surrounds himself with every far leftist he can find and that he is somehow "moderate" ??? The only good thing he can say about his country is that it is the only place where his story is possible. But somehow everybody else is living in the biggest hellhole in the world. If the U.S.A in 2008 really is as awful as the place portrayed by Obama and Michelle, we wouldn't have an immigration problem. We'd have the reverse situation and all be running away from such hopeless oppression!

If it takes a McCain/Clinton ticket to save us from Obama and Michelle - I'm all for it!

McCain + Clinton
This sounds like the perfect blend of fascism & communism. What shall we call it? Facumism?!

I'll have the Spam please....
(my repost form Shapiro's last column)

First, let me say, McCain was my second to last choice for the Republican nominee...however, some conservatives believe that a vote for McCain will kill conservatism or they believe they will be making some type of principled and defiant act by refusing to vote. ...and liberals are desperately hoping that conservatives keep this mindset.

I would much rather have a nice rib eye for dinner than a slice of Spam, but I’ll take Spam over botulism or cyanide any day.

To believe that Republicans will lose their desire for steak once they eat Spam is ridiculous...and sadly, if you decide to sit this one out, your self-righteous act of defiance will be inconsequential and will definitely be overlooked or missed by the MSM and RNC.

Suck it up, eat the Spam....or let the mass seppuku commence.


FLOOR FIGHT
IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN
Democrat Party in total disarray

Imposed Primary Process disenfranchises voters from BigShot back office AutoCrat PowerCrats that dictate policy in StarChamber secrecy.

DEMOCRATS UNITE - IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Howard Dean Nightmare is no Presidential Candidate going into the Democrat Convention in Denver in August.

************** RULES STICKY RULES ***********

FLOOR RULE # ONE: Delegates credentialed and admitted to Convention Floor from state primary elections and caucus are admitted to the Convention Floor to vote for their committed candidate on the First Ballot.

FLOOR RULE # TWO: Presidential Candidate must be determined by majority vote of delegates gathered together on Convention Floor at time of First Ballot.

FLOOR RULE # THREE: Second Ballot the doors of candidate selection process are thrown wide open and Howard Dean is impeached from DNC.
--- MOTION – SECOND – DISCUSSION – DONE ---------

RESULT: Good Olde Brandy Drinking Cigar Smoking Wife Swapping Political Floor Fight where the preverbal “Ham Sandwich” can be nominated by delegates on the Convention Floor.

+++++++ THERE WILL BE BLOOD +++++++++++++



Extreme Radical Moderation
Spot on as always, BrianR.

I kinda hope Mack picks Lindsay Graham; that will give us in SC a chance to replace him w/ a conservative in the Senate.

"Sen. McCain is ... a Republican with enough moderate tendencies as to attract people to him who might not ordinarily vote for a Republican"

HAHAHAHAHAHOOHOOHEEHEEHEE STOPPITYERKILLINME!

What are these "moderate tendencies" of which we write, hmmm?

-Open borders, toleration & legalization of 12 million illegal aliens who don't intend to assimilate, but depress wages for the poorest Americans, while being collectively a security risk?

-Whizzing on freedom of speech & association?

-Advocating energy rationing?

On what theory are these extreme radical positions that will drastically curtail our rights & prosperity, & destroy our country's strength & soveriegnty "moderate" & on what theory do they appeal to "moderates?"

I do think some establishment Leftists at the highest big-pix levels of the Democratic Party, the ones who do lunch & golf w/ Rockie Republican elite, actually want McCain to win because he'll implement the big-gov 1-world socilaist policies they want. Therefore they tolerate & encourage the silly circus of the Dem nomination that probably will drive wobbly Dems to vote for McCain. That's the important thing to those at that level, not which party is in the White House.

Redefining
The Republican Party just like Christianity and the Founding of America is being redefined into something unrecognizable. Politics, religion, education,the environment,the weather is all being driven to the left by the inaction of the right. We complain and wring our hands but do nothing becaue we don't want to be called names or offend anyone. So while the left commits genoside on tne middle class in the name of global warming and destroys the future of our blue collar children, in the name of diversity and open boarders, we nominate a wolf in sheep's clothing to guard the the sanity of the nation.

We are getting exactly what we deserve.

Redefining
The Republican Party just like Christianity and the Founding of America is being redefined into something unrecognizable. Politics, religion, education,the environment,the weather is all being driven to the left by the inaction of the right. We complain and wring our hands but do nothing becaue we don't want to be called names or offend anyone. So while the left commits genoside on tne middle class in the name of global warming and destroys the future of our blue collar children, in the name of diversity and open boarders, we nominate a wolf in sheep's clothing to guard the the sanity of the nation.

We are getting exactly what we deserve.

the word Repbublican....
has become just another bad word, thanks to the desertion of the platform the party was founded on. Conservatism is not dead, it just has not been adhered to. GOP politicians want to apologize for and compromise conservative principles because it is just easier.

There are still plenty of people who would rather do for themselves and retain their freedom than to turn everything over to and rely on government to take care of them and their problems.

America is like a patient suffering from cancer but rather than targeting the cancer itself and cutting it out and killing off any remaining cancer cells the doctor just gives the patient more and more morphine to try to control the pain. The patient cannot survive and dies a painful and untimely death anyway.

Liberalism has taught people that they can get more goodies from government, all they have to do is be the victim of something and then cry about it.

Liberalism sees all successful, productive folks as the bad guys, never mind that these bad guys are the one and only provider of funds to fuel everything government does.

Liberalism's answer is always to punish productive good behavior and reward and subsidize bad behavior.

Liberalism chokes the goose laying the golden eggs then can't understand why the goose quits laying them, so they choke the goose some more trying to squeeze out the eggs the goose is obviously hiding from them.

Liberalism may be based on good intentions but it has no chance at accomplishing them without creating another set of victims.




Says Who?
If the thought of a McCain/Clinton ticket rendered Ann speechless I'd love to hear the ticking of the clock when the super delegates hear that those words for the first time.

Whether or not it is a possibility is not the issue. The issue is that McCain is that unpredictable and Hillary is both ambitious enough and pie-ssed enough with the way she has been treated by her own party that I wouldn't see her immediately slamming the door on this idea. Together those two factors make nearly everyone's blood run cold.

This article was great if only for the image of a screaming Howard Dean running through the streets of Denver, she can't do this to me, who does she think she is, I already told her she can't go around my super delegates....

I'd pay to see that!

President Obama
I will vote for Obama, if McCain picks Hillary. I would rather suffer, than compromise my value system.

Romney 12

ex-Wyomingite writes:
'The founders designed the Senate after the House of Lords which exist in both countries to cool off the hotheads in Congress/Commons.'

The Senate was originally filled by Senators that were selected by State government. Our founders respected State rights so much that they gave each state an equal voice in government. This was a counter weight to the popularly elected Representatives that would express the rights for the people thus the people and the states were represented. All that changed with the passage of the 17th amendment. Since that time the states have had little voice in the government of our country.

Mon Dieu!
Why is this such a horrible thought? I'd vote this ticket in a NY minute. The reason you pundits are horrified by this idea is you'd be out of work. There'd be no partisan bickering, no "dirt" on each other, etc. This two-party system is the reason you all have jobs criticizing each other. What if we all could get along? Hmmmmm....

Forgot to take your meds, Michael?
You and your 'conservative warrior' are sounding like wackey liberals now. Get a grip! Or, get a new hobby; you can't lift yourself up by tearing a good man like McCain down.

McCain,fulfilling John Adams' prediction
"Remember democracy never last long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide". John Adams (Letter to John Taylor, 15 April 1814)

Yes, George W. and his cronies have prepared the way for McCain to keep shooting the world to pieces for the sake of oil, as Imperialism has a complete grip on the Republican party, especially.

Yes, George W. blames the Democrats for not allowing oil drilling in Alaska etc., and yet, why in the hell is he building that monstrocity of so called Embassy in the midts of the oil field of the Arab world? In essence another real lie out of his big mouth?

Yes, George Washington needs to be quoted also: "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican liberty".

Yes, and also James Madison: "Of all enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instrument for bringing the many under the domination of a few".

Yes Sir! We now have a Commander in Chief that is truly nothing but an Emperor and King, and whatever he says goes!


Actually,
That might be just the ticket to bring about the destruction of both parties. Would that really be such a bad thing, having to rebuild them ?

Saving what party?
In our country of Christian Values (honesty, intergrity, leaders that are public servants, private ownership so work pays off, protecting the innocent) free elections are one of our most important rights.

This election cycle has been anything But. Remember Romney's faith? Remember the way Duncan Hunter was closed out of debates? Remember the snickers every time R. Paul was brought up? How about the way independant voters 'crossed over' to vote for McCain?

In the Democrat side it's just as bad. Clinton with just about the same amount of voters, and most larger states, is called a looser until that's the perception, regardless of any reality.

Facts are, McCain wants to limit our speech. He wants to make our laws worth less by removing all important punishements on immigration laws with a flawed 'amnesty' that's been soundy rejected by the citizens. Just in that alone he violated the 'Christian prinicipals' that I value, and that have worked every time they're tried. I can't vote for him any more than I can vote for Obama.

For you that think Voting for McCain will save our party, it's lost already.


HD get a life
You've had the vast lib conspiracy harping this crap for 8 years, getting more of our soldiers killed by inspiring your fellow lunatics in the ME so here's a news flash. Bush and Cheney won't be around in 8 months. What crap will you be dishing then? That the libs need more money to give all the dimwits a brain transplant?

RIP Reagan; ReaganISM LIVES!
Anybody who quotes the likes of David Frum and tells us "Reagan's dead," like it's news, reveals who & what they really are.

Okay, I'll bite. On what grounds exactly is Reagan-Goldwater conservatism (RGC)outdated? How do you figure that? What has changed about the US or the world that renders RGC obsolete? What particular problem do we have now that we didn't have then, that RGC can't address?

RGC didn't exist just to take down the Soviets. It is relevant today too, more than ever. Many of our troubles come from big government & the desire to expand govmt to totalitarianism, the thing RGC opposes & challenges.

If people no longer want RGC, why are columns like this written? Why aren't we few cranks ignored & the "moderates" allowed to determine elections? Why do they feel it necessary to convert conservatives to some faux watered-down conservatism-that-likes-big-government?

What "orthodoxies" and "cultural philosophies" does Frum want to toss? RGC is all about the worth & rights of the individual, & therefore limited government. Without the concept of limited government, fiscal responsibility means just raising taxes ever higher.

What Frum, McCain, & their sort actually want is to marginalize, intimidate, & alienate RGC. They want to ensure it is never actually offered as an electoral option again.

They represent the elite class, the ruling career pols & moguls & kingmakers & the institutions in their orbit e.g. the pop media & academia. To them, RGC is the brown stuff floating in their punchbowl, the party pooper, the barrier to their continued empowerment at our expense.

Mack is a trap, a giant Conservative Motel that well never check out of once we check in. In our name he'll enact all this radicalism, while the GOP Rockies will see that the Rove Doctrine works & we'll never have a seat at the GOP policy table again.

WoW
That truly would be the Greatest Show On Earth.....Oh yeah thats the Slogan for a Circus!!

hope
McCain may seem like a good man but he's a only a puppet for the lib dims and media that run this country. His military background at least gives him enough sense to know when to fight enemies (something dims will never figure out) but the enemy streaming across the border and whispering in Oblaba's ear he has no problem with.

Right on Farmer's Wife
McCain's problem is he is so unreliable that while this McCain/Hillary ticket makes me want to spit up my coffee, it isn't farfetched. And as Ann said - McCain is just dumb enough to do it. McCain is just not that bright (and save me the Vietnam histrionics). Fundamentally he has been worthless in office and the fact that he survived the Keating Five mess has been the downfall of the GOP - not that I particularly care about the party. The day that McCain was rescued from that fiasco - the GOP showed they were soft on core values.
A guy McCain's age should not go near any staircases with Hilary beside him.

McCain, all by himself, is the...

ultimate conservative nightmare. It can get no worse.

FOWG
I SO agree with your post. More and more I am convinced there is not a dimes worth of difference between the Republican and Democrat Parties.

Wouldn't it be fun if Obama countered with a Mitt Romney VP????

My only comment about Hillary as a running mate is how fast can McCain run?

I can't believe...
That the TH writers get paid to spout this drivel...
Noteworthy Stories in World Right now:
-Lebanon on brink of civil war
-Myanmar's Crisis
-Wave of Tornadoes leaving a swathe of destruction across U.S. (why i wonder???)
-Iraq violence continues to pick up
-Afghanistan violence continues to pick up
-Food crisis (or not???)
-Oil & the dollar

Don't you guys ever to writing about something worthwhile & relevant??? or is it all sensationalist crap??? no wonder the conservative party is on a downturn (seemingly trying to keep pace with the economy)...

Tim
Well said. 9:36 a.m. post.

So what choice are we looking at. We have an empty suit, junior senator who uses pie-in-sky, meaningless terms that insult anyone with IQ above 50. That would be Barack Hussein Obama. Or....

A senior senator with real experience in almost every aspect of our government who deals in reality. And, by the way, his patriotism is unimpeachable. John McCain.

Promises,promises...
So JM is surrounding himself with conservatives?
So what?
GWB did the same, and yet it seems that he's still not too popular.
The case for JM and conservatism requires that one believes JM when he speaks.
Not.
Having suffered plenty of lip service out of my wonderful "conservative" governer of MN (Tim Pawlenty), I'm getting pretty good at identifying different odors when emmitted.
Stock up on guns, ammo, gas, food and water; and get out of the inner city areas.
The left will never relent until the populace is no longer marching with placards, but marching with pitchforks.
The political "center" of our country is wa-a-a-a-y to the left, and alot of nice people need a kick in the teeth before their good-intentioned kind-hearted sellout of liberty can be exposed to them in a way they can understand.
Electing any of the current candidates says three things: America is wrong on the WOT, Illegal migration, and climate change.
The WOT will continue regardless of America's posture; Illegals will come as long as they're welcome; no-one has the power to control the weather no matter how much money they spend.
Write in Thompson\Romney and change history.

McCain Says He Won't Do It
McCain was asked about what he thought of a McCain/Hillary ticket by John Stewart on The Daily Show the other day. He dismissed it out of hand.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/mccainschrute/

This video cuts off his complete answer, but he said under no uncertain terms...NO.


Gallagher
One problem with your little equation and John McCain....he isn't conservative.

Reagan was conservative, did not compromise his principles, and appealed across party lines. Explain that Gallagher.

As to bipartisanship what they really want is conservatives to give in and mainly it is the media not the country. Who started this war in the first place? DEMOCRATS!!!! Who is supporting this war? THE MEDIA!

watercloset
Nice handle. Did it used to be Latrine?

Don't Tread on Me
I don't know what the Rove Doctrine is because all he had to do was promote Petraeus and the surge 6 months earlier and we wouldn't have had to listen to the Harry/Nancy comedy team for the last two years. You know the one that supposedly is going to do something and wastes time and money with worthless pandering and propaganda.

Conservatism is about shutting down the money drain once you see waste, incompetence, corruption and inefficiency. Conservatism is making illegals follow the same laws like everyone else and not creating safe havens for illegal votes. Conservatives put in judges that don't allow a federal bureaucracy to kill babies, save killers and terrorists, tear down crosses or steal property.

As far as I know that represents more than half the country. There is an alternative media. We're on one.

Vote out rinos and dims.

OMG...
I think I'd chug the kool aide and get over with quickly. I'm so disgusted with

Is it the Aspartame
That you sweeten your grape Kool-Aid with Mike?
Your ability to formulate lucid thought and express it cogently has failed you, if indeed you ever possessed such ability.

It seems to me that
Christy Todd Whitman made remarks in the past about taking back the party from conservatives.
Seems they've been working behind the scenes to achieve that goal. Doesn't matter which party, libs are all the same, they make skunks smell as sweet as roses.

Oh yes it can
"ultimate conservative nightmare. It can get no worse."

All of you carping about McCain should sit down and think about what 4-8 years of Obama would do to this country.

Our education system is pumping out more and more good little leftists. And I'm talking about high school. The colleges are even worse. And don't call them liberals. They are leftists not liberals.

And another thing that really bugs me. All this talk of "ending the war". Obama isn't going to end anything. The war will go on even if he is stupid enough to do what he says and pull out all the troops. He really believes that he can solve all the world's troubles by talking. What that means is that he believes the U.S. is the source of all the problems and once he fixes that, all will be well. I don't want to see the carnage that will result from that kind of thinking.

So go ahead and trash McCain and stand up for your "values". Just don't complain when we are attacked again and we have Obama in the White House wringing his hands and wondering why it all went so wrong.

GOP-RIP?


With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I was hoping GOP primary voters would give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. We never really got the chance. First choice Hunter, second choice Thompson, third choice Romney were all out before VA voted. I wanted to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.

Hopeless
Are there real conservatives that will give up on their beliefs for a Party? We are now backed into a corner of complete hopelessness and little hope. It stinks.

Wysman
you articulated what I have been thinking for a long time. Yes. Agree.

Farmers Wife
Very well said!!!!

The Election
I was a Democrat and now a Republican. There is NO difference in the Democrat or Republican Parties. I'll re-register as an Independent and write in Mitt Romney this time around, at least he has business experience and knows how to meet a payroll. I hope everyone thinks before they vote for one of the leading candidates.

I'm totally fed up with all the crap. I tuned in, they turned me off, bye bye.


reagans liberal legacy
Rather than abolish the departments of Energy and Education, as he had promised to do if elected president, Reagan added a new cabinet-level department--one of the largest federal agencies--the Department of Veterans Affairs.

the budget grew significantly under Reagan. All he managed to do was moderately slow its rate of growth. What's more, the number of workers on the federal payroll rose by 61,000 under Reagan. (By comparison, under Clinton, the number fell by 373,000.)

Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security. In almost every way, the bailout flew in the face of conservative ideology. It dramatically increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income recipients. (As an added affront to conservatives, the tax wasn't indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have gradually had to pay it over time.)

You'd have to be crazy
to pick Hillary as your vice president.

Can you say Vince Foster?

they won't need me
Gallagher is right: a McCain-Clinton ticket would be a great way to pull votes from the left to the "Republican" candidate.

So great, in fact, that it wouldn't need mine.


they won't need me
Gallagher is right: a McCain-Clinton ticket would be a great way to pull votes from the left to the "Republican" candidate.

So great, in fact, that it wouldn't need mine.


Why NOBODY will pick Hillary for VP
Imagine if all that stood between Hillary Clinton and the Oval Office was your death. Would you risk it?

Well, Kennedy's too old...
Who else? Kennedy's too old, Lieberman's telling people he's not interested. McCain CERTAINLY won't name anyone who's ever used the word "conservative" without sneering, spitting, and convulsing. He loathes conservatives too much.

The real problem here is that there's no place for real liberals to go in this government. This entire country has shifted so far left that people like McCain, who would have been called radical left-wingers in previous generations are not welcome among the Marxists who define today's Democrat party. Yet, the Marxists have had to work so long to convert the Democrat party into one where the Communist Party simply endorses instead of competes with them that they're protective of their relatively newly won turf. The GOP is complacent. We have been too busy with our lives and too comfortable with the party to even notice (as a group) that it's been overrun by liberals like McCain, Voinovich, Snowe, Hagel, and the rest of the displaced liberals. Now we're stuck hoping that the radical leap to the left that all three options represent won't result in the complete disbandment of our Constitution and that we can pull enough of it from the embers in four years to reconstitute a nation.

Boycott General Election Conservatives!
Keep it up. I love it. I can do my own Limbaugh from the left: operation lefty chaos. I urge all conservatives to boycott the general election. Go watch a football game. Vacation in Miami. You have my blessings and my love. Keep placing ideology over reality. Love it.

Hillary wouldn't accept VP with McCain because of Iraq. She wants out he wants more. Lieberman just might be the choice.

Reagan, if you remember, embraced "Fusionism," which was the attempt to meld libertarianism, traditional values and anti-communists into an overall ideology. They don't meld and, in fact, are contradictory, so the Reagan coalition was doomed to disintegrate.

reagans liberal legacy
raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did. He did not always instigate those hikes or agree to them willingly--but he signed off on them. One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year's reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II--was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn't count as raising taxes.)

Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives--and probably cost Reagan's successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection--Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84.

The historic Tax Reform Act of 1986, though it achieved the supply side goal of lowering individual income tax rates, was a startlingly progressive reform. The plan imposed the largest corporate tax increase in history--an act utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today. Just two years after declaring, "there is no justification" for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period. In addition to broadening the tax base, the plan increased standard deductions and personal exemptions to the point that no family with an income below the poverty line would have to pay federal income tax. Even at the time, conservatives within Reagan's administration were aghast.

Thanks, Doug
re your Friday, May, 09, 2008 2:32 AM
"BrianR winning hearts and minds
one post at a time. Just a little encouragement to hang tuff. Like you need any. As one by one conservative leaders and commentators fall to the wayside, it is heartening to see you ever strong, yelling on the mountian top for the Republican party to right its course."



Exactly right! That's what most of my critics don't seem to get. I want the GOP to succeed... as a home for conservatism, which it purports to represent.

That's ALWAYS been my criticism: drones like Gallagher *claiming* to be conservative while acting like liberals. GOP party hacks *claiming* to be conservative, then like Gingrich doing a commercial with Nancy Pelosi saying that globull warming is now a "conservative" issue, totally ceding the field and agenda to liberalism. Then they scratch their collective empty heads and wonder why REAL conservatives don't want anything to do with them.

Look at the historical record. The GOP enjoyed stunning victories when they truly ACTED like conservatives: Reagan's three landslides (which includes Bush 1's coattail victory as Reagan 3) and the 1994 Contract With America sweep of Congress (when Gingrich still was truly conservative). Other than those three elections, lackluster performance at best.


T.C.
"A senior senator with real experience in almost every aspect of our government who deals in reality. And, by the way, his patriotism is unimpeachable. John McCain."
I would never question his patriotism or experience. However, this is a man who has admitted to not knowing much about the economy, doesn't know the difference between a shia & a sunni, and who continues to spout the same kind of neocon crap that got us into the hole we now find ourselves in. Not to mention he has flip-flopped on so many of his previous positions that it has become kerry-esque. McCain has been great, but his time is past. Like a grandpa who keeps telling us stories of his heyday while the world passes him by...

reagans liberal legacy
My dream," he later wrote in his memoirs, "became a world free of nuclear weapons." This vision stemmed from the president's belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war--and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons.

Driven by this dream, Reagan embraced Mikhail Gorbachev and initiated a series of negotiations that ultimately alarmed everyone in his administration. Hardliners like Patrick Buchanan, Richard Perle, and Caspar Weinberger reacted in horror to the very idea of engaging the Soviets in such talks, warning against the "grand illusion" of peace. "Reagan is a weakened president, weakened in spirit as well as clout," echoed New Right leader Paul Weyrich in The Washington Post.

The real Reagan, on the other hand, would bring discord to the current conservative agenda. If you believe, as conservatives now do, that raising taxes is always wrong, then it's hard to admit that Reagan himself did so repeatedly. If you argue that the relative tax burden on low-income workers is too light, as the Bush administration does, then it does not pay to dwell on the fact that Reagan himself helped lighten that burden.




it seems to me reagan would not be acceptable to conservatives in 2008

Self-correction
FOUR elections, not three.

I used to be one of....
those conservatives that believed it was better to work within the party that best reflected my principles, therefore I considered myself a Republican.

Now people like me are being told that we are not needed in the party we once called home. So be it. I can take a hint and in this case a punch and get up and continue to uphold the principles that have served me well during my lifetime.

I just won't be doing it within the Republican Party.




religiouslib
Are you seriously trying to argue that Reagan cost GH Bush his second term?!?


What's in it for us, MrRoy?
MrRoy writes: ...the far left...have this wild eyed notion that once we withdraw our troops from Iraq that all will be rosy. They don't have the guts to level with us with the fact that terrorism is here to stay.

PW: Ya Think?

That's the point, MrRoy. Terrorism is likely to continue regardless of what happens in Iraq.

The powerful ALWAYS define terrorism and the weak ALWAYS resort to acts thusly defined to fight whomever they perceive as oppressors. Always been that way, always will be.

What we've got in Iraq are a whole bunch of Iraqis killing each other when they're not trying to expel foreign occupiers with some unwelcome help from a relative handful of latter-day Al-Quaeda.

The occupation has broken our military, maxed out our credit cards and killed and maimed thousands of Americans and innocent Iraqis.

So tell me again, MrRoy, what's in it for us if we stay?



My Nightmare
Long gas lines on whatever your day is even or odd. No military. Much higher taxes. Open borders. Democrats telling me it's all for the good of the country as they soar off in their private jets. Animal Farm comes to life, we are all equal, some are more equal than others.

RELIGIOUSLIB
You are mistaken in your analysis. Nice try.

RIP GOP from my blog
From Gordon Lightfoot's song the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

A legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of a party once called the GOP
No conservatives led, and now we think it's dead
Now the skies of November are gloomy.

It started to wane when they chose John McCain
His conservative claims are all empty
His amnesty fight will not make him all right
When the polls of November came early.

Ron Reagan showed pride in the American side
And the GOP rose in his shadow
With his military pride and respect far and wide
Grand Old Party was then in its season

But what did they do when they defeated the blue?
When they had both the House and the Senate?
They squandered our dough and then failed to oppose
Every democrat's awful agenda.

Old Dubya failed to wield his veto pen
The agenda of growth was in season
Instead of a stand he just jumped to the band
And the GOP lost rhyme and reason.

McCain dipped his quill with the Feingold bill
Good intentions have led us to ruin.
Instead of free speech, no incumbents we'll breach
And the MSM now leads the shoe-in.

Does anyone know where the rule of law goes
When the Illegal Aliens are harbored?
No border defense, nor have they built up the fence
And McCain is no longer to starboard.

We might have had Mitt, Hunter, Rudy or Huck
If the powers that be were not clueless
But all that remain are the faces and names
Of the candidates we had and they're useless!

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of a party once called the GOP
It abandoned its base and will now lose the race
Now the gales of November came early.

Robert E. Lee is correct:
Robert E. Lee writes: "The Ultimate Conservative Nightmare is that the Left wins the election in November."

This is why I do everything within my power to ensure neither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama is elected President.