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Monday, August 25, 2008
Matt Barber :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obamacide
by Matt Barber
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How does one properly describe another who would – for purely selfish political reasons and with deliberation – intentionally refuse a thirsty child water or a hungry child food?

More specifically, what does one call a lawmaker who would condemn to death the child survivor of a botched abortion by permitting doctors to refuse that child, once born alive, potentially life-saving medical treatment and nutrition?

A number of things come to mind. Mr. President isn’t one of them.

Based on National Journal’s vote ratings – an objectively tallied assessment of congressional voting records – Barack Obama has properly earned the dubious distinction as the single most liberal Senator in Congress during his brief, albeit overstayed, tenure. But a cursory review of his words, deeds and associations reveals that this ivory-towered Harvard boy is no run-of-the-mill lefty. He’s an extremist among extremists.

Put aside for a moment some of the highly suspect (even criminal) characters within Obama’s circle of friends, such as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and Tony Resko. Forget the many anti-American sentiments to which prospective first lady Michelle Obama has given voice. And ignore, for now, the socialist, peacenik, MoveOn.org positions Obama holds on a host of fiscal, social and national security-related issues. Instead, for the sake of brevity, take a look at Obama’s demonstrably radical stance on just one issue: abortion.

Last year the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in Gonzales v. Carhart the federal ban on the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. Congress overwhelmingly passed the ban in 2003. Even some of the most liberal members of Congress experienced unexplained fits of common sense, voting for the ban in the face of angry demands from mouth-foaming feminists.

Although the American Medical Association has determined that partial-birth abortion is never necessary under any circumstances, Obama threw a hissy, nonetheless, after the opinion came down. While deriding the Court for its ruling, he whined, “For the first time in Gonzales versus Carhart, the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on abortions with criminal penalties for doctors.”

So what, exactly, did the ban ban? What “hard-won right” – as he later called partial-birth abortion – was Obama so steadfast to preserve?

During a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist pulls a fully developed, fully “viable” child – often kicking and thrashing – feet first from her mother’s womb, leaving only the top of her head in the birth canal. He then stabs her through the skull with scissors or some other sharp object, piercing her brain until her kicking and moving about suddenly and violently jerk to a halt. Her brains are then sucked out – collapsing her skull – and her now limp and lifeless body is tossed aside like so much garbage.

Again, medical science has determined that this horrific practice, which is nothing short of infanticide, is never necessary. But Barack Hussein Obama – the man who would be President – doesn’t see it that way. He called the partial-birth abortion ban, “a concerted effort to roll back the hard-won rights of American women.”

Although Obama’s love affair with partial-birth abortion has served to chip away at his finely polished veneer, his opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) has revealed to the world that backward extremism permeates his marrow.

BAIPA very simply requires that when a baby survives an attempted abortion – when she is “born alive” – further attempts to kill her must immediately cease, and steps must be taken to ensure her health and well-being.

Makes sense, right?

Not to Barack Obama. While serving in the Illinois state senate, he led the fight against a state version of Born Alive that was substantively identical to the federal BAIPA. In 2002, BAIPA passed the U.S. Senate with unanimous, bipartisan support; yet, Obama vehemently opposed its Illinois twin. This places him on the furthest fringe of pro-abortion extremes. The man’s devotion to the pro-abortion industry is so fixed that he would rather allow the murder of newborn babies than give an inch to the sanctity of human life.

When called on the carpet in 2004 for his complicity in facilitating infanticide, Obama began an extensive cover-up, accusing those who exposed the scandal of lying. But in recent days, based on documentary evidence unearthed by the National Right to Life Committee, the Obama campaign has been forced to admit that it was Obama, in fact, who had been lying all along. He not only led the charge to allow the continued practice of infanticide in Illinois, he carried the flag.

During his recent “not-ready-for-primetime” appearance at Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback forum, Obama was asked at what point “a baby gets human rights.” His answer was shocking: “Well, uh, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or, uh, a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is, is, uh, above my pay grade,” said Obama.

What?! Above my pay grade? And this man wants to be the leader of the free world? Even the most ardent pro-abortion wactivist would have likely said that a baby gets human rights as soon as it’s born, right? But Obama couldn’t say that. His opposition to Born Alive proves he doesn’t believe it. And if he had said it, he’d have been called on it.

Well, I’m calling him on it anyway.

So, we now add a new word with a dual definition to our modern political lexicon: Obamacide. It means, 1) Killing the newborn survivor of a botched abortion through a deliberate act of omission; and, 2) That which a nation commits upon itself by electing one who would allow such a thing.

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J. Matt Barber is Director of Cultural Affairs with Liberty Counsel and also serves as Associate Dean with Liberty University School of Law.
 
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love to see
all people who are pro-abortion...aborted.

Really, didn't count on them going this
low.

Here is the truth.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-abortion -obama_20aug20,0,1470841.story

"Seldom mentioned in the dust-up is that in 2005 Illinois lawmakers passed a version of the abortion bill that Obama and abortion opponents both support."

The truth knocking at the door
"Illinois' liberal lawmakers needed more reassurance than federal lawmakers before agreeing to pass a "born alive" law. In part this was because abortion practice is regulated mainly by state laws, not federal laws, so seemingly benign changes in wording stand to have far-reaching consequences. And in part because the proposals were usually introduced with companion legislation that revealed a stronger intent behind the law by exposing doctors who perform mid-term abortions to additional legal risk.

So "born alive" bills failed repeatedly in Illinois from 2001 to 2004 in both chambers, with and without the involvement of then State Sen. Barack Obama.

In 2005, when additional language was added to a "born alive" bill in Illinois that explicitly spelled out that it would not impact abortion rights in any way, the law passed easily."

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/ 08/executive-summa.html

Emotional Manipulation At Work

Note that Matt Barber refers to these hypothetical aborted infants in his column as females ("she," "her"), despite the fact that the masculine pronoun is traditionally the default in the English language when the sex of the person in question is either unknown or irrelevant.

This is a common propaganda technique when the intent is to arouse feelings of pity or protectiveness, or to draw attention to someone's vulnerability -- particularly where children are concerned.

It's a very common approach in advertising, for example, when safety and security are being used as selling points: the children depicted in print ads and TV commercials for such products are almost always girls, since the advertisers wish to imply vulnerability and to arouse the readers' or viewers' protective instincts.

Not that I disagree with Mr. Barber's position on partial-birth abortion, mind you. I simply believe it's in everyone's interests to know when they're being emotionally manipulated, whatever the cause may be.

-CB-

why not the Messiah?


I think that a number of little things make people nervous about Obamanation, and taken altogether they may prove fatal for him--

arugula... Rev. Wright... the militant wife they are trying to muffle... Rezco... virtually NO apropos experience-- the empty slate... a weird upbringing/background... vague promises about "change"-- BUT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN?!... "people in Pa. embracing their guns and religion amid fears"... the certain sense that he would raise taxes and social welfare spending-- though that has NEVER worked in the past, and we theoretically slowed that government giveaway trend in the late 90's.

Funny thing, except for "the Bradley Factor," I would have thought a short time ago that the Messiah could not lose because Presidente
Jorge had made such a mess in Iraq and he and Amnesty John had embraced ILLEGALS, and gas prices had soared, but the Messiah might be blowing this lay-up... the election will be a referendum on Obamanation.

Excellent
Matt Barber, you have told a truthful story. Pay no attention to the Lefties that are on the top of the comments section. Me? I just scroll on by. Their lame arguments and defense of Obama in this case, are...ridiculous. The proof is in writing. There is no excuse for Obama's behavior in this instance.

Mom in Wisconsin

Cretan beryll
So sad that you've been manipulated. I'm sure you've always refered to children as its. Calling a child that is still in the womb an "it" is in no way propaganda.
Fool!

coolbeans
I agree with you, their mothers should have thought of aborting them. For that matter, Obama and his wife have no right to be. How can anyone deprive an inocent the right to live. What about if King Herod had suceeded...would we have had a God?

Obamacide
You have done well in inventing a new word, "Obamcide", a perfect description of his views and an apt description of America if it so chooses to put this extremist in the White House. Thanks again.

The Truth
taft supplies a link with 'the truth'. He is very right. From the Chicago Tribune article"

"...last week, the National Right to Life Committee released newly uncovered records showing that in one committee meeting in 2003, Obama voted against a version of the bill that did contain the key language... The committee said in a statement that the find "[sheds] new light on Senator 0bama's four-year effort to cover up his real record of refusing to protect live-born survivors of abortion."

It's more than passing a law. It goes down to the candidate's character and beliefs, truly an 0bamanation.

Frank
That is their position but didn't the site plainly show how wrong they were? Obama voted for the first bill as did all the members of the democratic party.

Taft
The truth is he voted against a law that would require health care be provided to a baby that survived an abortion. The simple fact that living babies were dumped into dirty utility rooms to die alone proves that the old law did not protect the babies. Obama stated 2 things about the law: 1: it would erode Rode v Wade: this is not so, it had nothing to do with abortion but with the caring for a baby. It specifically stated that the baby is a 'person' and should be guaranteed all the rights of a person. 2: the law would put a burden on doctors who whould have to care for the babies: yep, we wouldn't want to burden anyone with an unwanted baby, not even health care givers. Much better to dump them in a trash can and let then die.

For Daft
Uh, then why didn't Barry Insane Obamination just say that?

Besides, if you stop engaging in the classic Liberal trick of context-dropping, it's obvious that what's at question here is Barry's CHARACTER--something that Liberals stopped caring about at least 45 years ago.

Oh, and I'm writing as a pro-choicer (but one who agrees with strict limitations on permissible abortion practice and that certainly does NOT include the gruesome process accurately described in this article), so spare me your predictable, boxed Liberal reply.

Everybody on the Left has all these "rights" but none of you care about what's right.

The face of evil
The deliberate evil projected by this monster must be addressed and stopped at ll costs.

'Advocate For Death Certificates'

When a Baby is alive and detached from the birth 'mother' it is a Citizen of the United States of America.

A 'Death Certificate' should be issued that includes:
1) Time of death.
2) Cause of Death.

The baby is NO longer a piece of tissue (as some say) but a living breathing Citizen of the United States of America. A 'Death Certificate' leaves a trail of information that can be used to bring charges in both civil and legal proceedings.

When a baby is left alone to die without medical aid or is at that point killed by other means, then all involved should answer to someone.

The key to stopping this heinous act and exposing these brutal murdering Doctors - is making them issue a 'Death Certificate'.

If a baby is left to die, a witness or other concerned parties could start an investigation as to where and when the 'Death Certificate' was issued.

The failure of a physician to immediately submit the required form to the government (to trigger issuance of the death certificate) is often both a crime and cause for loss of one's license to practice.

Obama who is a lawyer knows that the 'Death Certificate' is the one thing that cannot be explained away.

Babies that are 'Born Alive' - when human life began is established - when did 'Death' result and why is the question.

Support demanding 'Death Certificates' for ALL born alive babies that are a result of abortions.

Obamas and Partial Birth Abortions

What kind of principles do the Obamas have? Obama is said to be a 'deeply religious' man.
What deeply held religious conviction is this?
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"U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that 'right-wing politicians' had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls. Michelle called partial-birth abortion 'a legitimate medical procedure,' and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against 'cynical ploy[s]' to stop it?"

“Whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.” Barack Obama 2002 Illinois

wow
One word ... brutal

Coolbeans
ditto here. It must be a cultural thing. I know that the Niece of Martin Luther King is going after Planned Parenthood for "ethnic cleansing" and is also against Obama for accepting and supporting contributions from these abortion clinics.

Partial Birth Abortions
Several posts reference the Chicago Tribune story to explain this issue. This article along with numerous commentators continue to say protections for a live birth in a botched abortion were provided under existing Illinois law at the time Mr. Obama was considering BAIPA.

So it needs to be ask: In the case of the child (fetus for those of you confused as to when life begins), argued before Mr. Obama's committee, who did the State of Illinois prosecute for the death of this child under these existing laws?

There is no statute of limitation on murder so the Illinois State Attorney General should file charges against the hospital, the doctors and the abortion staff under these so called existing laws today.

The argument protections existed prior to BAIPA is an argument if convenience but no merit as demonstrated by the position of the State in response to this childs death.




Dumping
roses on a manure pile doesn't make it stink any less. It is truly illuminating the lengths the trolls will go to defend the indefensible.
They are just as cold, crass and calculating as their One we are waitng for..Jesus had a name for them, said they were of their father the devil.
TORTURE; 1. any excruciating pain; 2. the inflicting of such pain.. If the procedure
isn't torture I'd like to know what is. And in my book, abusing babies forcibly prematurly born
by neglect, medication, warmth and food is also torture. These Obamatrons wouldn't think of
inflicting such punishment on an animal..I can imagine the hissyfits PETA would have if these
tortures were inflicted on even a rat.

Their "religious" show is a joke..any evangelical that participates will have some
'splainin' to do. Jesus also called practicioners of this kind of "religion' whited sepulchres..nice on the outside but STINKING on the inside.. There's a whole lot of STINKING going on in Denver this week.

It is heartening to see Taft
able to explain in direct language, that which 0bama cannot. I tend to see 0bama as unable to explain in concise direct verbiage as a sign that he does not wish to have exposed for public consumption, the actual facts of the matter.

That depends upon what is is.
Ted Kennedy knows what live was and dead is. They love him.

Bill Clinton had the same lust but at least he didn't let her die, he just left her swing slowly in the wind.

Michelle is anti-American but that doesn't count. She probably meant someting else.

Obama has more sleazy little doors than any candidate but we won't open those, he probably didn't mean it.

Clintons came to town in an old used car. Kennedy has more houses than Bob Hope did and no moral value for human life. Obama's made almost five million last year, but they started poor and this lousy America owed them that much at least. After all, before they had to do business with crooks to get what America owed them.

And on and on and on....Barf!
Don Jones
PoeSpirits.com

No words
No words describe it or Obama for supporting it.

Obama bin-Biden has a lovely ring to it
Osama bin Laden has never seen anything he couldn't kill in the name of his beliefs, and the Obama bin-Biden combo falls into the same trench in hell.

O is the most lib. Sen. and his abortion stance is all abortion all the time for any reason anywhere. Babies be d*amned and dead.

Biden is the 3rd most lib. Sen.

Neither have any military experience.

Both are frauds and liars--remember, Biden was driven out of his '88 pres. race for acknowledgiing plagiarism.

Whadda a disgrace for a once decent political party, now a lemming running off the left loast.

Send money and support to McCain and RNC. O is spending twice as much as Mac and still raising phenomenal amounts.


Taft, the Chicago Trib, and misdirection
Please note that the Chicago Trib article does not mention his first vote, that was for infantcide, only that a second vote was taken that apparently provides "cover" for their clearly stated preference (was he already in Congress by then?), at the time, to allow the murder (the deliberate failure to save a baby who will not survive without such care) of a baby.
He never repented of his previous position. His answer at Saddleback shows he still holds that position, and knows how many votes he would lose if the TRUTH were known. And to reference the Chicago Trib article as an answer to his problem is pure misdirection.

Obama is against BAIPA
Obama is against the 'Born Alive Infant Protection Act' why?

Obama is worried about the 'Death Certificate' - Obama could care less about a baby dying a cruel painful death.

If a 'Death Certificate' is issued showing the baby did NOT die during a medical procedure but hours later - all involved would have to answer to someone.

Why is a baby left alone so NO ONE knows when the baby died?

The failure of a physician to immediately submit the required form to the government (to trigger issuance of the death certificate) is often both a crime and cause for loss of one's license to practice.

Doctors just state it died during the Abortion.

Obama is a lawyer and time of Death is what worries him, not the pain and suffering of the baby!

Those in favor of NOT giving medical aid and comfort to a dying baby - be careful what you 'Hope' for.

Do you want to be left alone when you die?

Do you want to be abandoned as worthless and given NO medical attention when you are dying?

Do you want for yourself when you are dying, the same treatment you 'Hope' for little defenseless babies?

Is this the Obama 'Hope' he talks about but never defines?

I have one word for
Mr. Obama, evil. He is about the most evil man I have seen set up to be a candidate for the POTUS of this country in a very long time if ever.


Dr George Tiller the Baby Killer

Lies about Partial Birth Abortion and Dr George Tiller

"Abortion advocates often deflect negative attention by insisting that late-term abortions are in the best interests of the babies that are aborted. They claim that if the babies are not "terminated", they will live lives scarred by illness. The truth is that the vast majority of the babies condemned to death by late-term abortion are healthy and capable of living meaningful lives."

"There also exists a common misconception that late-term abortions are limited to medical emergencies. Nothing could be further from the truth. From 1998 until 2000, only one out of the 1168 abortions that Tiller performed after viability was done during a medical emergency. Upwards of 97% of his late-term patients weren't even from Kansas—they flew in from other states to have abortions that they had scheduled in advance."

http://www.kdhe.state.ks.us/hci/absumm.html.

http://www.abortionessay.com/files/Tiller.html

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack. html

Liberals are ok with Death for Politics

What about Genocide? and Democrats
Democrats have a long history of being ok with genocide.
------------------------------------------------
July 2007 "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."
------------------------------------------------
Lesley Stahl on CBS's 60 Minutes.

Madeleine Albright When asked by Stahl with regards to effect of sanctions against Iraq:

"We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?"
Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."
------------------------------------------------
Samantha Power was rightfully awarded the Pulitzer for her finely written and downright horrifying book "A Problem From Hell" which, in macabre detail, describes the calculated indifference of the Clinton administration when 800,000 Rwandans were being systematically butchered. The red phone rang and rang and rang again. I don't know where Hillary was then. But her husband and his entire experienced foreign policy team - from the brass in the Pentagon to the congenitally feckless Secretary of State Warren Christopher - just let it ring.

Obamacide
Ironic that Madonna compares McCain to Hitler when Obama is really thr better match for that dubious distinction.

Too horrible for words
I have had two miscarriages and three premies. One of my premeis was 9 weeks early and weighed 3#10oz at birth. I am proud to say she is now a 5ft 9in healthy and beautiful college graduate with a great job and a great future.

All abortions are murder. Late term abortions are especially horrible. To allow a child to die is unforgiveable. Those little people are so precious. They are miracles the Lord has entrusted us with to nurture and care for. They were not created for us to murder.

The clock is ticking...
If you want to read something truly powerful and eye-opening about the genocide that is abortion, go to Frcorapi dot com and read the pdf file "Death Wish." I have excerpted the first paragraph below:

"A large number of endangered, unwanted, and unborn children held a town hall meeting
on the 4th of July--alarmed at the brutal and untimely killing of millions of their brothers
and sisters in recent years. That the murderous war waged on them had the full force and
respectability of the law made their plight all the more terrifying."

http://www.fathercorapi.com/PDF/Death_Wish.pdf

God help us if this country elects Obama. We may never recover... I am praying for our country's protection; please join me.

Peace.

Obamacide, Yeah, that's it.
Being age 62, I hate to think what Sen. Obama has in store for the elderly.
If you can neglect a baby to death at birth it follows that anyone can neglect an elderly person to death with impunity just to hasten their death.

This creepy, evil man cannot
be allowed to become the leader of our country. I pray for a landslide win for McCain, and I'm not that crazy about McCain. However, he is definitely the lesser of the two evils.

Rekon Michelle Obama
Has had an abortion?

Greatest Moral Failure
After Rick Warren asked what was the greatest personal moral failure, he asked each candidate what was the greatest national moral failure of the United States. I tried to think what I would have answered, and this is what I concluded: The greatest national moral failure is that the citizens and government of the United States once treated human beings as wanted property, and now treat human beings as unwanted tissue.

Barber's Back

and writes,

"How does one properly describe another who would – for purely selfish political reasons and with deliberation – intentionally refuse a thirsty child water or a hungry child food?

More specifically, what does one call a lawmaker who would condemn to death the child survivor of a botched abortion by permitting doctors to refuse that child, once born alive, potentially life-saving medical treatment and nutrition?"

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What does one call a republican president who vetos a bill, over and over, that provides health insurance to 4 million lower-income children?


The lesson here is... conservatives want pregnancies to come to full term NO MATTER WHERE after the moment of conception... yet they have a curious "Screw you" attiitude towards the same children once out of the womb. "You're on your own now, sucker! Personal responsibility! Swim, baby, or you'll sink like a stone!" seems to be what conservatives yell at the toddlers.

Well, at least Barber isn't doing his routine, patented anti-gay schtick today. I see Townhall offers him less and less column time.

What the word means.
Patricide is the killing on one's father; fratricide is the killing of one's brother; regicide is the killing of a king; suicide is the killing of oneself.

Obamacide would therefore be the killing of Obama. Barber had better take care; the Secret Service does not take lightly threats against the people it's protecting, even if they're just by a hack writer with a tenuous grasp of the English language.

nice try Josh
u sound alot like the Dems talking points -

Bush signed legislation extending the SCHIP program to March 2009 - what he vetoed was the expansion of SCHIP from $5 billion/year to something like 12 billion/year. He also stated numerous times he would sign a bill with a smaller expansion (one not as big - that didnt include families making $85K/year), but our Grand Democratically controlled Congress wouldnt put a smaller one together. But yeah - its Bushs fault.

This Obama article made me sick to my stomach. Its amazing that an article like this can be written AT ALL about someone running for President of the United States. Of course, most of the US is in the dark about stuff like this -

- Taft
Any bill passed at the Illinois State level that occurred AFTER Obama left the state office (i.e. 2005) - has absolutely nothing to do with Obama running for President or his own personal views on abortion.

Im glad they were actually able to get a bill passed there in Illinois though - once Obama wasnt an obstacle to it.

Josh
Do you realize that in order to draw a moral equivalence between two things, those things have to actually be morally equivalent? On the one hand, you have the violent dismembering of human babies. On the other, you have a debate over who should pay for the health care received by the children of poor parents.

"Our side might dismember babies, but at least we don't force poor people to give up their cell phones and cable modems and go into debt to pay their own kids' medical bills!"

Reply to Josh
"The lesson here is... conservatives want pregnancies to come to full term NO MATTER WHERE after the moment of conception... yet they have a curious "Screw you" attiitude towards the same children once out of the womb."

So you would advocate murdering a child because a child MAY end up living a life of poverty. That's seems like a somewhat extreme choice to make on behalf of a fellow human being. I know if I was given the choice to make for myself I would choose poverty over death.

The most fundamental right is the right to life. Without this right, no other rights are possible. All rights are abrogated for a human being when they are given a death sentence.

How come adoption is never discussed in the abortion debate? If a woman cannot raise the child there are many willing and financially capable couples that would love to adopt that baby. Sure, the biological mother would have to carry that baby to term but isn't the inconvenience better for all parties than outright murder.

Finally, what is not mentioned is the harm caused to the mother as a consequence of abortion. You know why breast cancer has increased so dramatically over the last 30 years? It's due to the hormonal changes brought about but never completed when an abortion occurs. Also, consider the psychological impact on the mother.




Bravo, Matt Barber!


We'll see a few Kool-Ade addicts of the Left quibble over a slick word like Obamacide today. But not even they can dispute the facts. Obama is an extreme Left gladiator; ready to die for the abortion cause.

Furthermore, whoever in his right mind would have this peculiar politician for his/her President, is just as dangerous to America. That's how I see it, anyway.

Slippery Slope Indeed
"If you can neglect a baby to death at birth it follows that anyone can neglect an elderly person to death with impunity just to hasten their death."

Roe vs. Wade set the precedent that allows any social group deemed as inconvenient to be given a death sentence. Yes, the old and helpless (think Terry Schaivo), being a burden to society will be urged to euthanize.

The very young, since they have no voice will be fodder for body parts (witness fetal stem cell research).

Once the value of human life has been desanctified all sorts of things are possible.

What a morally degenerate society we live in. God Help Us.

Brian et al

Brian wrote: "...How come adoption is never discussed in the abortion debate?..."

Brian great question!

Another question is why is it so hard to adopt in America that couples are having to adopt overseas?

It almost seems that adoption is made hard on purpose.

josh will there you go again!

The article is NOT ABOUT BUSH!

Obama sees NO VALUE in a human life if it isn't a part of the 'Grand Obama Change'.

Concentrate - Concentrate - the article is NOT about deviant sex or President Bush.

I think the following is relevant

I debate Communism on Communist websites all over the world - I am bery Anti-Communist.

I asked one Communist in America:
"Why are you trying to make America a Communist Country when over 100,000,000 humans have been killed or starved to death with 'extreme coercion'."

His response was:
"100,000,000 humans is but a pittance, if we can save billions of humans worldwide".

My response was:
"Save billions of humans from what?"

His response was:
"From Capitalism which is nothing more than slavery".

This is the same thinking we are seeing here today from the liberals.

Whay are Liberals and most Democrats willing and advocates of killing 40,000,000 babies?

To save a womans right to have casual sex and NOT suffer any consequences.

Most Americans would be ok with abortion that would save the life of the mother but NOT inconvenience of the mother.

They seem to be psychopaths.

Adoption Option
The reason that it is so difficult to adopt is because women are either aborting or deciding to raise to raise the child as a single mother. There are simply no children available to adopt since Roe v. Wade.

It just shows you how incredibily selfish women who abort their children are. They are murdering their child because they simply do not wanted to be inconvenienced by doing the right thing - carrying to term and giving the baby up for adoption.

Ideally, we as a society would be providing support to women in crisis pregnancies and encouraging them to take the high road which is adoption. This won't happen while we have an abortion industry (Planned Parenthood) making billions a year off of government subsidized abortion. Also, think of all that fetal stem cell tissue that won't be there for R&D as well.

Communist Party USA support Abortion
"...Women voters have been turning out in large numbers for the Democratic primaries.

Clinton has the overall advantage, reflecting the possibility of the first woman president, and the endorsement of NOW.

But women are voting for both Clinton and Obama. African American women are voting overwhelmingly for Obama.

Single women have voted overwhelmingly for Obama in Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Missouri and Utah, while Clinton carried single women in .the remaining ten super Tuesday states.

Women’s Voices Women’s Vote is concentrating on unmarried women because they vote more progressive but have not turned out. In 2006 twenty million single women did not vote.

Unmarried women were 26% of all voters in the Tuesday super primaries.

Planned Parenthood has aimed its fire at John McCain, airing radio ads in February after he called for Roe v. Wade to be overturned – a good rallying cry for unity after the primaries..."

Author: Joelle Fishman, Chair, Political Action Committee, Communist Party USA
First published 04/10/2008 16:31

PP has higher Profit Margin than Exxon
Liberals have forcibly administered diversity to America and her children as a unifier.

Assimilation into the American dream liberals teach, will not bring about harmony and unity.

Liberals proclaim the only way to self determination is to become a government "client".

Diversity is big business in "sheeps clothing" with a huge profit margin that is obfuscated by the diversity of "diversity".

Liberalism is a service based industry that fabricates "needs", then steals our money to provide services for the deceived client all the while enjoying the huge profits of their deception.

Amazingly, one of the liberal service providers Planned Parenthood had a profit margin higher than Exxon/Mobil in 2007.

Race hustlers like Obama, Jackson and Sharpton are nothing more than the bottom feeders of liberalism.

Obama did us a favor
I find it odd that abortioneers fight so vehemently for the "right" of a woman to abort what would probably be a viable human being. We routinely keep alive premature infants born at 26 weeks and beyond. I would love the abortioneers at the top of these comments to explain to me what pressing need of a woman necessitates aborting a baby that could simply be born and kept alive? Please, tell me why a woman would decide at, say, 28 weeks that she "needs" an abortion? Did she NOT know she was pregnant at 8 weeks? 10 weeks?

I am not in favor of abortion at any time--but I have no understanding of why someone would want to abort a baby when he or she has reached viability? If there are terrible medical defects in the infant, then induce labor, give the poor thing compassionate care but no heroic measures.

Explain it to me, Taft, because I just don't get it.

But Obama has done us a favor--he has focused the argument on viable infants...no more talk of clumps of cells. Now the abortioneers have to parse the difference between human life and personhood...I think most Americans just won't see it their way.

I have a whole series on it on my blog:
http://www.whenwearequeen.squarespace.com

Queen1

Josh
Did the bill that passed have the same wording, the wording that Obama thought would make problems and did it have to unwanted attachments? It seems a great shame that the late term abortion bill that Obama was for but wouldn't vote for because it had no provision to protect mothers who may die, wasn't passed. Late term abortions are really a blight on our nations morals.

"And in part because the proposals were usually introduced with companion legislation that revealed a stronger intent behind the law by exposing doctors who perform mid-term abortions to additional legal risk."


Abort his own Grandchild
We know, from Obama's own statement, that he would approve of his own daughter's aborting his own grandchild in order that his daughters would not suffer the "punishment" of a child.

This guy is so way out there that it is beyond the pale.

The blood of innocent children cry out to God and one of the things listed in the Bible that God "hates" is hands that shed innocent blood.

God keep us Under the Mercy and protected from this blood thirsty narcissist.

Taft, Answer the Question
You can't hide behind the "life of the mother" argument. If a mother's life is at stake (give me an example), why not induce labor and keep the preemie alive? Why does a woman decide to abort at 26-28-30 weeks? We aren't talking "mid-term" like you keep saying...mid-term encompasses weeks 12-24. (And we keep some of those 24 weekers alive now.) Partial-birth abortion and other creative ways of killing viable infants encompasses third-term pregnancies. Why are you fighting so vehemently to keep abortion available for women with pregnancies this far along?

Marxism and Abortion

http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0450_Marxism__Abortion.ht ml

A recent article in The Tribune, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia, expounded upon the Marxist view of abortion, adding new understanding to the international debate over the rights of the unborn.
“Human Life and Fetal Images,” an essay by Rebecca Albury, appeared in the Australian publication on August 10 of this year. Albury made the following statements about the teachings of Karl Marx and their relationship to the unborn:

• A Marxist believes that personality and human value are imparted by the external and economic environment, not by any inherent spiritual value, or even by biological processes.

• The fetus, according to a Marxist, becomes a person when he is judged as such by “someone of higher wisdom.” The humanity of the fetus depends upon how the mother perceives the “social relationship” that exists between them. If the mother desires to keep the baby, then she “fantasizes” it into becoming a human being. But, if she does not want the pregnancy, “it is something else entirely.” Her opinion of the fetus thereby denies it of personhood.

• “Biological processes,” says Albury, “do not carry automatic moral values as the Right to Life suggests … Human economic, social, and political relationships create moral values.”
Cont.

Marxism and Abortion, cont.
• According to Albury, “Material conditions of life change, and so do moral values.” This means that, to a Marxist, the unborn baby may be a human being for a time, but may then become depersonified and rendered ‘pre-human,’ all because his or her mother began to think differently about him or her. She adds: “Certainly, many women experience mixed feelings; the fantasy baby may even appear for a while. Women can tell it goodbye forever.”


Dr. John Whitehall, who reported these statements to the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade in his article “Marx and the Unborn Baby,” (September 15, 1988), commented on Albury’s conclusions by saying, “The inhumanity of communism resides in this arbitrary assessment of human life, which is based on the Marxist valuation of certain social relationships. On this basis, millions have been told ‘goodbye’ – from the purges of Russia, to the genocide in Cambodia, to the killings in the Philippines, and now to the unborn baby.”

Marxists on Life
Published November 1988
A recent article in The Tribune, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia, expounded upon the Marxist view of abortion, adding new understanding to the international debate over the rights of the unborn.

“Human Life and Fetal Images,” an essay by Rebecca Albury, appeared in the Australian publication on August 10 of this year. Albury made the following statements about the teachings of Karl Marx and their relationship to the unborn:

A Marxist believes that personality and human value are imparted by the external and economic environment, not by any inherent spiritual value, or even by biological processes.

The fetus, according to a Marxist, becomes a person when he is judged as such by “someone of higher wisdom.” The humanity of the fetus depends upon how the mother perceives the “social relationship” that exists between them. If the mother desires to keep the baby, then she “fantasizes” it into becoming a human being. But, if she does not want the pregnancy, “it is something else entirely.9 D Her opinion of the fetus thereby denies it of personhood.

“Biological processes,” says Albury, “do not carry automatic moral values as the Right to Life suggests … Human economic, social, and political relationships create moral values.”

According to Albury, “Material conditions of life change, and so do moral values.” This means that, to a Marxist, the unborn baby may be a human being for a time, but may then become depersonified and rendered ‘pre-human,’ all because his or her mother began to think differently about him or her. She adds: “Certainly, many women experience mixed feelings; the fantasy baby may even appear for a while. Women can tell it goodbye forever.”

Anne we think alike

I think everyone should understand that to a Marxist human life is NOT important because Marxists are saving the world from Capitalism.

Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and other Liberals do NOT think the suffering of a baby is important because they are saving the rights of women.

Anne: You have ...
fully clarified Obamacide's position on abortion. What you have posted can be the only explanation as to why Obamacide believes that infanticide is just an extension of the mother's and doctor's original intent (abortion) and why he could have been so heartlessly cavalier with his now infamous "above my paygrade" response to Rick Warren's question.

He jsut does not see the baby as a human being at all - even after it is born - because he is a full-blown Marxist/Socialsit pig!

The big questions remaining are:

1) Will McCain and the GOP exploit Obamacide's radical and inhumane position on abortion? (Not to do so is irresponsible)

and

2) Are the American people so craven and heartless that they would damn our nation by electing Obamacide POTUS.

I, for one, will never vote for a pro-abortion politician - even if they say "I am personally aginst it, but I believe in the woman's right to choose".

You know the line made famous by Ted Kennedy, Mario Cuomo, probably Joe Biden and the rest of the PRO-INFANTICIDE CROWD.

Great post.

Queen
Sorry it took a while to get back to your response to my post. This issue, practically the first time on the blog, seems that it might have some meat to it, if one can wade threw the muck and find the truth.

The excuse Obama gave, about saving a mothers life, isn't totally bogus is it, even though it is a very rare occurrence when a mother's life could be in jeopardy. And, if it is so rare, it seems odd that the pro-life groups would in danger a bill to restrict late term abortions. Personally, I think mid-term abortions should be restricted too. The poster below, btw, is taking Obama's words about "punishing" his daughters with a baby to ludicrous conclusions.

Regal Lion
Taking Anne's information on subjects one would do well to remember caveat emptor. Here sources are back alley affairs, comprised of two bit hacks.

My Vote
I wasn't very sure of Obama before, but now I am definitely sure that he is not the one to be president. He will stand up and protest the US liberating a country such as Iraq from tyranny but will not approve a law that would protect babies? I will do everything I can to be sure this man does not become president.

Telling
This speaks volumes about Obama. I'd hate to have to even try to defend this. I just wouldn't, he'd be on his own this round.

Daft: It just KILLS you, doesn't it?

You just cannot stand that I make my points, and back them up..... as does Ret. Geek.

You're in as much denial as hal donahooey... no matter what, you put your hands over your ears, and start shouting "I can't hear you. I can't hear you." and then start denigrating the messenger.


In fact, on a different thread I posted that hal donahooey could be on the Titanic, and even with water up to his knees, he'd be shouting...

"This.... ship.... is.... not.... sinking!!! LMAO. I'm .... telling .... you... all... this... ship.... is .... NOT... sinking!"

And then come up with rationalization as to why his pants are wet up to his knees... but NEVER that the damn ship was sinking!!!






Regal Lion: Thank you.

"He jsut does not see the baby as a human being at all - even after it is born - because he is a full-blown Marxist/Socialist pig!"

Yes, he is!!!

And if you want more information, you can access this site...

http://obamaism.blogspot.com/

which documents,

1. Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism

and

2. Barack and Michelle's Socialist, Marxist, and Communist Quotes

We cannot afford to let Marxist Obama be elected!

Even My 15 Year Old Sees The Hypocrisy
Our family watched the candidate forum hosted by Rich Warren. My fifteen year old made an interesting comment about liberals/Democrats after watching Obama answer Warren's questions,
"I don't get liberals who say they are pro-choice. They say I can choose to kill my baby before it is born, but I can't choose where to send my child to school. What kind of choice is that?" Beats Me!

Black Genocide by Obama

"Pam Sutherland ... of ... Illinois Planned Parenthood ... told ABC News, "We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive.' They put these bills out all the time because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats. ..."

Let me interpret. We, Planned Parenthood, told him what to say, and how to say it, so we could continue to kill infants; babies, just a few inches from birth, and those completely out of the womb that we missed! Our "colored minister" was well prepared by Planned Parenthood. Partial Birth abortion -- which I will not describe here -- but know that 80% of Americans don't want this barbaric act practiced in this country – Barack Obama voted to keep legal! The Born Alive Victims Act is a law to protect a child that was born alive after a botched abortion; a law that would require that the child would receive medical assistance. Barack Obama voted against it! Yes.

Barack Obama, with an "engaging personality" is being used by the leading abortion provider in the United States to promote and execute infanticide of predominately minority babies!"

By Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr.,
March 5, 2008
http://www.blackgenocide.org/obama.html

Jeff: Stunning, isn't it???

Good for your 15yr. old! :-) An EXCELLENT logical thinker!

What truly amazes me is that while a 15yr. old can figure THAT out, and obviously with little effort, the convention center in Denver is full of supposed "adults" who haven't. (And not to mention more than a few right here on TH!)




Taft comment please
The Black perspective on Obama and Abortion

"...For those of you that don't know, Barack Obama became a "minister" of Planned Parenthood a long time ago.

He's so good at carrying out their racist, murderous, agenda against Afro-Americans and society at large, they gave him a 100% score on his voting record.

Planned Parenthood is following the strategy of their racist founder, Margaret Sanger, to the letter. Planed Parenthood is saying, “We have our poster boy!
Get him out in front as a lure for their women and men. Get them into our abortion clinics and dismember their children by the millions!”

You say absurd? No Way!

Planned Parenthood’s Valentine cards were sent out to hundreds of thousands of young people in the nation. Whose face is plainly seen waving to them with a big smile? Whose endorsement is given to this racist and calloused organization? Who is used to lure children to give credibility to its hideous plot? Barack Obama, that's who!..."

By Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr.,
March 5, 2008
http://www.blackgenocide.org/obama.html

RG
I don't agree with obama on abortion but as for not caring about Infants, as odd as it sounds to you all, he does and has voted for and plans if allowed, to increase funds to get the US to a level at least better than Cuba in the infant mortality ratings. we are , 37th you know and the richest nation on earth. No excuses are plausible. I'm really busy today and have to get off. thanks.

Black Genocide in America 1,452 per day

http://www.blackgenocide.org/home.html

"...The purpose of this website is to reveal the disproportionate number of black babies exterminated by the abortion industry in America.

Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele.

The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large.

1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.

Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry..."

"...With 1/3 of all abortions performed on Black women, the abortion industry has received over 4,000,000,000 (yes, billion) dollars from the Black community..."

Obama in the US Senate

Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions.

While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.

-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006

Everyone Should Speak Out
"Try to imagine that these are your children, your grandchildren that are lying in these dirty utility rooms, struggling with all they have to breathe so that they can live.

God gives us the unconscious drive to breathe, to perservere.

But then there is someone like Barack Obama who is put in a position of power who votes against the innocent and frail, instead of protecting their rights as human beings of the most innocent kind.

Never in my life would I vote for someone of his ideals and beliefs. And what is wrong with the rest of this country that allows this to prevail??????

We all need to speak out and act like the great country that we are and not some third world country."

Anyone Against these Barbaric Acts

Anyone Against these Barbaric Acts as I am.

Please feel free to copy all or any part of my posts on Abortion and post them.

NO credit wanted or needed to me.

I want these Barbaric inhuman acts stopped! ! !

Queen1 6:45 PM EST
"If a mother's life is at stake ..., why not induce labor and keep the preemie alive?"

Who pays?

You're talking easily $50,000, and possibly upwards of a million dollars. Plus the child will probably require more than average medical treatment for its entire life. In one case I found, the baby was delivered at 26 weeks weighing 2 pounds 4 ounces. Now two years old, she still requires extensive medical care, and the bill has passed $12 million.

So I repeat: who pays?

Community of interdependent non-selfs
A fetus is not a human being. There are no facts of reality that give rise to the notion that a fetus is a human being, entitled to individual rights; there are only arbitrary assertions and feelings. The attempt to equate a bit of protoplasm with man can only be described as psychotic.

It is almost as psychotic as support for a law forcing doctors to keep alive a thing they are trying to abort, a thing that no rational human being could claim possesses a mind or "soul."

I think such a position has more to do with a desire to control ACTUAL human beings, to force them into a way of life deemed virtuous by the religionist, and that the fountainhead of that desire is hatred for the metaphysical independence of woman, a corollary of the hatred felt for the metaphysical independence of man from other men.

Obama's toast
and the lib press likely has already started creating their excuses and conspiracy theories about his pending demise.

Not winning among Whites. Barely winning among women. Losing among older voters and failing to hang onto a sizable number of Clinton supporters.

I wonder if Michelle will well up with pride in the face of blistering defeat?

Wendy 9:47 PM EST
This is called "Speaking Truth To Crazies."

Watch and be amazed.

Bob Munck
Since the evangelical socons do not really believe in individual rights, they have no problem burdening us with the problem of others' survival, no matter what the consequences. The task of religious morality is to make demands, and your task and lot in life is to obey. God tells you what "rights" you are allowed to have at any given moment. It is our God-commanded duty to sacrifice for others, even if it means your own life, see. You had no business even considering yourself and your needs as part of the equation; that is part of your Sin. Human beings are a sorry sack of self-loathing crap, infected with Original Sin, with no rights whatsoever (except if you are a fetus, sick, poor, old, or worthless, then you have unexpiring voucher), and having infinite duty to obey the say-so of God, as interpreted by his earthly representatives. When ordered to sacrifice in His honor, you don't ask how much.

It is the same mentality as the ultrareligious, ultracommitted, ultraviolent pan-Islamists; the evangelical socons are simply less consistent.

wendy you think like obama!
read the BIBLE,THE LORD KNEW YOU WHEN YOU WERE BEING FORMED IN YOUR MOTHERS WOMB.WE WILL PRAY FOR YOU! MIKE DIAMOND FROM TEXAS

Actually, Bob
It probably would have been better if Wendy had not posted at all. She comes across sounding like a very cold, callus person.

She backs up what you believe, and you seem to think anyone that disagrees with you--anyone who believes in the sanctity of human life--is a crazy.

You both come across as rather mean-spirited people.

Bob
Interestingly, in listening to some of them, it has become clear to me why the Romans brought the lions out on the early Christians. Not that I approve because I am obviously a die-hard individualist, but I can definitely see the logic, why they would feel it necessary in those times. You can't reason with crazy.

Dottie 10:08 PM EST
"you seem to think anyone that disagrees with you--anyone who believes in the sanctity of human life--is a crazy."

I believe strongly in the value of human life (believing in "sanctity" requires a belief in a god). However, I know a huge number of intelligent, caring, insightful people who disagree with many or most of my views on how to define that. None of them are crazies.

It's the people on here who are pretty much gah-gah-cuckoo. Have you read the stuff Retired Geek writes? Or Dreadnaught? Greyhawk? Even Anne, who never has any actual content, but the form of her writings is crazed.

Wendy 10:19 PM EST
"it has become clear to me why the Romans brought the lions out on the early Christians."

Yeah, but where was PETA when that was going on?

Wouldn't be a hoot
if Wendy and Bob were the first to meet Jesus Christ on his return and called him a crazy?

I never thought when I wrote "It Takes a Village" that honest to fricken God a community organizer was all it took.

it's so academic, after all


This is the world. Not Paradise.

To souls such as Wendy and Muncky, it's enough to eat and survive. They need nobody's approval, since their God is their stomach.

In their place I would also dismiss the occasional self-control of scruples. They live for the moment. Love has no meaning for these wooden articles in human guise. After they die all memory of their pinched existence is over; THEY THINK HERE.

That was the logic of Herod, who boasted the slaughter of all boy children of 2 years and under. (He's dead and in hell today.)

That was the normal order of business for Mao; whose crimes number in the hundreds of millions murdered.

Munck's only comfort and Wendy's failure too-- is they weren't given power over the rest of us. But they share sentiments with other swine of this world.

Anne
I read you Aussie paper post and a few of the more conscienceless dopes like Wendy on this site and realize that they evaluate humanity from the purely subjective - their own.

It's this same reasoning that resulted in Hitler and Stalin filling ditches and crematoriums with millions of corpses - their simple judgment that the entity, in their judgment, is not human and therefore worthy of destruction.

The question was raised of who would pay for the non-aborted. The capacity for caring PRIVATELY in this nation is immeasurable. The fact is that they are defending the right of INDIVIDUALS to exercise a presumed right to kill. In fact, the left doesn't want these individuals to exist because they would be raised in freedom and thus potential opponents.

There purpose has been, in fact, to kill off major portions of the previous two or three US generations, which they have accomplished through the abortion of 40 to 48 million potential American citizens over the past 45 years, and indoctrinate the major portion of the non-aborted through government schools.

It's been a shrewd, long range plan meant to come to fruition with the election of the Black Messiah. The question is, will they pull it off?

Taft: Where does the Obama campaign find
dopes like you to get on TH and make inane argumets to try and defend Obamacide's murderous oposition to the BAIA?

What does he give you? A couple of MGD's and a new computer game!

Obamacide voted frequently and often to allow BORN ALIVE babies to die rather than receive medical care.

There is no SPIN that you can put on it to change the TRUTH...

OBAMA supports INFANTICIDE!

He has blood on his hands AND so do you for trying to defend a heinous, barbaric act that only a NAZI could truly appreciate!

Wendy, Bob and others
who think like them believe they ARE Gods. What a shock it will be when they meet Him and realize the error of their ways!

OBAMA-PARTIAL ABORTION
Finally!!Someone had the nerve to write for all to see the true facts of what partial abortion consists of...it is the murdering of an 8-9month old baby whom u have to leave the head inside the mother or it is murder!then it's brains are sucked out..now is there really a reason for this?I don't care if u r a Christian or not surely u have enough morals to care more than this to be carried on in our nation.Thank you for putting this in print.Now you tell me if you were to survive this torture by some miracle that Obama still does not want to give any medical assistance to this child?What is next?if a child as I born with spinal bifida?then just let me die??

Great Title - Obamacide
This does not just apply to his position on abortion. If by any demonic measure he became president, it would be suicide for this great nation. But the sound judgement of MOST americans will prevail and he will get his walking papers. I wonder if the teleprompters will work this time around?

southernlady76 writes: "What is next?

if a child as I born with spinal bifida?then just let me die??"

Well yes! That's where we're headed should, God forbid, Marxist Obama be elected.

Keep in mind, "SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE" is at the top of his "To Do List" which means the government is the health care provider and payer.

At that point, the government will have control over our health care... Who gets health care... or not.

They can, at that point say...
1. Pregnant? You WILL have an ultrasound.

2. Your fetus (opposed to your baby) has a birth defect.
... NO PRENATEL HEALTH CARE FOR YOU.
or
... The government will pay for an abortion.

3. Your (born) baby has a birth defect. NO HEALTH CARE FOR YOUR BABY.

Scary? It should be!! 'Cause that's exactly where we're headed with Marxist Obama.


Peoples reaction:
The other day I entered the employee cafeteria near a table with 5 co-workers.Two of them, a man and a woman are each avowed homosexuals, one ardent pro-lifer,one nominally pro-choice Catholic and one young female who was just very quite.The female homosexual smiled and motioned for me to come over and show the group my T-shirt. I unbuttoned the first three buttons on my outer employee shirt and Superman style held open the shirt to reveal my T-shirt underneath which in black printing on a gray background stated:

NOBAMA
Keep the Change

Everyone laughed and nodded and but no one vocally supported Obama. The topic of the Biden VP nomination came up and the pro-lifer said that she has been so disappointed in Catholic Joe Biden and his pro-abortion votes over the years as she is a knowledgeable resident of Delaware where Biden has been Senator since 1972.The pro-choice Catholic stated that she couldn't comment as she didn't want to jeopardize her friendship with the pro-life woman. I couldn't resist the urge to comment and I said that there are varying degrees of pro-choice positions among the general public. But, Obama has voted to allow babies who are born alive in a abortion attempt to simply die. There was a stunned silence then the female homosexual jocularly said, "I think we should change the subject". I replied, "We can change the subject but it still doesn't change the fact that Obama is a far left radical demagogue". We all then left and returned to work from break.
People simply are ignorant of the facts about Obama and I hope that in the upcoming debates, John McCain hits Obama hard on his despicable voting record on this life or death issue.

Abortion
A very barberic practice to murder the pre-born child , they fill the uterus with saline/salt solution then they cut up the baby as it is suffering from the burns of the salt or they simply induce labor and chop the baby up and take it out a piece at a time and never bother to tell the women or young girls they are putting themseleves in danger of having breast cancer at a much higher rate than before the abortion... Obamacide is murder and so is abortion.

It's the sex thing
Death is a certainty for those supporting homosexual choice (gay marrriage -- promiscuous erotic applications of the sex act) and the lie of a woman's right to chose to abort that conceived in the womb.

It all begins with the choice (ignoring the consequences) to commit the sex act -- and the consequence are devastating for homosexuals and all who act in the deceit of conception where murder is the result.

The Democrats are guilty for supporting this moral travesty! Ye, Obama and his wife too!

Wendy and ilk
A baby born with moving arms and legs, the ability to cry, and a desire to survive is NOT a fetus. It is an infant.

Otis
"The Democrats are guilty for supporting this moral travesty! Ye, Obama and his wife too!"

Aren't you all getting carried away just a little bit? How many of you care that Bush's war in Iraq has resulted in the death of a multitude?

The real kicker is, that the republicans, even on this issue are hardly better, Mitt was pro-choice and so was MccAin but flipped over for the presidential season. The man who will be running around the WH the most, Liebermann, McCain's side kick, is more pro=choice than Obama.

Obama-ites to the Rear!
Obama lied – babies died
B.H.O. is no reformer – he’s a gangster-style, old school Chicago hack. B.H.O. is not “The One” – he is by calculative composition a champion of his master’s agenda (Unions, Planned Parenthood, and Mr. Soros et al). B.H.O. will change our capitalist country into one, big union shop run by the Democrats; bent towards the left so far that his socialist European friends will recognize him for the Communist at heart he really is.
I do not fear him; I loathe him for the holocaust of the Unborn (and in some cases the Born) he so adamantly supports. I do not think is name is funny; I think his name speaks defiantly of his family’s murderous, African-Muslim roots.
The more his candidacy is vetted, the more we learn about the puppet-masters behind the scrim of the burka. The G.O.P. will have enormous crossover votes because we love to win, believe our country is the best the world has ever seen, and mightily disapprove of American apologists. We will elect McCain because he actually will put the country first – and has the alarming record of cavorting with Democrats to prove it. John may not have led the perfect, conservative life but no one has, eh? McCain’s life is an open book and Obama’s is shrouded in mystery, deceit, and dope.
See you at the polls!

LC
A baby born alive, despite what Fox News tell you, is afforded every legal right you and I have. In the Christ abortion center, where a nurse said babies where being left, the police took this accusation very seriously and investigated a crime. Seriously, how can anyone listen to Fox?

Slowpoke the Cruiuser
It doesn't bother you that McCain can't even remember how many houses he owns, at a time when millions of Americans are loosing theirs, or the fact that he wants more war, as often and soon as he can get it?

Taft
Matt Barber lays out a very clear case here citing specific legislative votes by Obama.

Can you do the same with your claim about Liebermann? You say Liebermann is more pro- abortion than Obama, yet you cite no evidence. You say "Mitt was pro-choice and so was McCain but flipped over for the presidential season" but you give us no specifics. We're just suppose to take your word for it because you're such a stand-up guy, right?

Typical bait and switch tactic of the Left.

M Sederoff
This sit is full of political information.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

example: Lieberman

Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)

Powerful
Article! Thank you Mr. Barber. I am not a single-issue voter, but, this speaks volumes about the moral character of the man who seeks to be the leader of the free world.

And he has the 'audacity' to say what we do for the least of these is important????

He is barbaric and in need of a moral compass. I don't believe him when he claims to be a Christian.

Daft: You're about to do a header over

the edge! You're NOT making sense... not even a wit of sense!

"How many of you care that Bush's war in Iraq has resulted in the death of a multitude?"

You're really showing your liberal ignorance there. Absolutely NO comparison!


"Mitt was pro-choice and so was MccAin but flipped over for the presidential season."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm

"In August 1999, McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle that he would "not support repeal of Roe vs Wade" because it would force women to undergo illegal operations. He has subsequently said that he was speaking about the need to change the "culture of America", and supports the repeal of Roe vs Wade."


"The man who will be running around the WH the most, Liebermann, McCain's side kick, is more pro=choice than Obama."

And your point would be? Perhaps, because they disagree on abortion, McCain should disregard everything else they agree on? Okay, so with that illogical thought, YOU shouldn't be allowed to post at TH.


"In the Christ abortion center, where a nurse said babies where being left, the police took this accusation very seriously and investigated a crime. Seriously, how can anyone listen to Fox? "

As usual, you miss the POINT! The BABY had been thrown into a linen closet to die! It was ONLY BECAUSE Stanek took the action she did, there would have been no record of that BABY being born!

Get a grip, Daft! You're losing it!!!

"It doesn't bother you that McCain can't even remember how many houses he owns,"

Now, listen up here! McCain DOES NOT OWN any of the homes in question. His WIFE owns them!!! Some are investment properties (and a lot of people own homes they use as investment (rental) properties. And SOME of the homes (condos) Cindy ownes, are for family members to live in.

And, BTW, it's not like they have several MANSIONS they actually live in... Does it bother you that the Kerry's have three or four MANSIONS that they actually live in only a weeks or months a year?

The McCains have ONE primary residence.


Does it bother you that Ted Kennedy has several large homes that he actually lives in only a weeks or months a year?

And what about algore? Four large manions that he and Tipper live in?

Does THAT BOTHER YOU?

You obviously have NO CLUE just how stupid, and what a lunatic lefist your sounding like. You should be embarrassed!!!

Obama
Looking out for "the least among us" again.

taft
You must have lost the abortion debate, cause you switched to McCain's houses. Typical lib strategy.
Since you asked, no it doesn't bother me that a) Sen McCain deferred to answer a "gotcha" question in order to provide the acccurate number, and
b) it doesn't bother me if he has 20 houses, as long as a crook didn't pay for them.
What are you- jealous?

The real Problem is..
Born alive and killed, alive in the womb and killed. What's the difference? It's still murder!

Taft
I say again...,It is an infant, NOT a fetus. A late term, partial birth abortion is at the same stage in life as the preemies who are placed in incubators and given life sustaining care.

FOX news? So...,what you are saying is that C.N.N.,M.S.N.B.C., and Network News are FOR partial birth abortion....? Or did you mean that they so badly want Barry to win that they will be for anything he espouses, including infanticide? Hmmm. Maybe you just don't know what you mean. Aaaaaak!

matt in CA/ pro-choice catholics
INteresting lunchtime you had- like your t-shirt logo!

As to Biden and so-called "pro-choice catholics", in truth, there cannot be any such thing.

Obamacide
Never, in the history of this Nation, have I ever heard of anyone so cold blooded as Baraak Hussein Obama. What will he do if he does become our next President? Want all the elderly put to death because we are a burden to the Government? Our Social Security is better served by giving it to the greedy Democrats? How on earth can Senator Kennedy back Obama, when he was raised Catholic. What would his mother think of his decision to support anyone who is advocating the murder of innocent babies?? How can Obama even look into the face of his two beautiful daughters?? I don't care what color skin a person is, what's important is that person's character. Obama has no character and hasn't a clue what it takes to protect this nation, the children of tomorrow, or what the beliefs of the American people are.
Obama is what the Terrorists hope will become our President. After all, they have nothing to fear from Mr. Barak Hussein Obama. He thinks you talk to the enemy and the enemy will roll over. No, Mr. Obama, the enemy will kill you and your family in a heartbeat. Like a snake, it may look harmless, but it'll kill you if you try to pet it. People, wake up. Your lives depend on it. Do you want another 911? Then put Mr. B Hussein Obama in office. Don't cry and blame Pres. Bush. You are responsible, you were the ones who voted for Obama, the child killer.

What to call them?
One word - Murderers.

Anne about Mitt

ASSOCIATED PRESS: "I think I've made it very clear. I was pro-choice, or effectively pro-choice, when I ran in 1994 (and 2002)." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjo2zpLNAjtxCVkBA1Xn9FY Q5tpQD8TK3G500

Anne 8:54 AM EST
"Now, listen up here! McCain DOES NOT OWN any of the homes in question. His WIFE owns them!!!"

Then why didn't he answer ZERO when asked how many homes he owns? That's very simple; no need to have the staff investigate. He really should know what his fiscal arrangements with his wife are, after all these years.

Some say the problem is that McCain is either stupid or senile. That's obviously wrong; it's both.

Where the Wind Blows
American Issues Project has published a devastating TV ad about Obama's friendship with Ayers, the unrepentant Weatherman. Obama's people are trying to kill it and FOX and CNN declined to run it. It can be found at:

http://www.americanissuesproject.org/

The Democrat 2008 Platform
Hussein Che Obama is against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA).

After the Election, it will be re-introduced and passed as "The No Child Born Alive Act.
This could be used as the basis for ethnic or Christian cleansing of America.

The Democrats in the 110th Congress,and even those professing to be of strong Catholic faith, like Joe Biden,Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy would do anything to have a Black Democrat as President regardless of religion,moral conviction,and political background even if it meant passing Legislation contrary (Obamacide) to the welfare of the American people, the Country, and its Constitution and Flag

the other side of "life"
if it is a great sin and crime to take a babies life at the emd of nine monmths gestation is it not just as big a sin to take it at the very beginning of life? what is the difference , except that one is a little more gtruesome that the other unless you really use you imgination. if Obama favors infanticide ( a statement that is so patently ridiculous that i can just barely get this compketely neutral keyboard to type it).. then Mccain favors killing the unborn while they are still very very young , as stem cells. last i heard there was not a distinction made as far as the legal system is concerned. if it were illegal one would be just as illegal as the other. i really dont understand how you think you can keep using this as an issue, when your claim is that both favior killing babies. whats the difference/ nother then the relative intelligence of your readers.

Jerseyvet
Fox, who pretends to be fair, did show it once at least, they said it was a mistake. Ayers-Obama tie won't pass, sorry.

helen 9:31 am post
Remember Chappaquidic? - when Ted Kennedy left a woman to die in a car. Not exactly Catholic values.

floridaindependent
Anyone who gets drunk and drives puts peoples lives in danger!

Guess how many dui's Cheyne and Bush have?

Daft: You're right... which is why a

significant number of CONSERVATIVES aren't happy with Mitt...

BUT, YET AGAIN, you FAILED to address the MORE IMPORTANT POINT....

The BABY had been thrown into a dirty linen closet to die!

It was ONLY BECAUSE Stanek took the action she did, that there was even a record of that BABY being born, and the disgusting, inhumane manner that BABY was treated!

Only truly psychopathic people could do what those people... and anyone who performs abortions, did and do!

Talk about turning a BLIND EYE to facts!




This is interesting..
Our family values guy is against MAD.

"Hensley & Co., one of the nation’s major beer wholesalers, has brought the family of Cindy McCain wealth, prestige and influence in Phoenix, but it could also create conflicts for her husband, Sen. John McCain, if he is elected president in November.

Hensley, founded by Cindy McCain’s late father, holds federal and state licenses to distribute beer and lobbies regulatory agencies on alcohol issues that involve public health and safety.

The company( Cindy's mega wealthy comp.) has opposed such groups as Mothers Against Drunk Driving in fighting proposed federal rules requiring alcohol content information on every package of beer, wine and liquor.

WOW And, as you all know, alcoholism is a major contributer to fetal abnormalities and termination.

"The effects of chronic alcohol administration and acute maternal oral alcohol intake on fetal development were investigated, both regimens causing substantial increase in fetal mortality. Decreased body, brain, heart, kidney, and liver weight did not appear to be due to zinc deficiency.

Anne
The police went to investigate that nurses accusations. It was a crime but they found no evidence of what she reported. If it had been me, or you Anne, wouldn't you have swooped that baby up and rushed it to the hospital?

Daft & Boob Mook are really stretching

for anything now... which is exactly what happens when they have NOTHING OF WORTH to whine about. LOL

THIS IS getting good. :-)

Marxist Obama bursts a blood vessel if someone criticizes Michelle, but it's perfectly okay to attack Cindy McCain on her corp. and homes.

Yup! That makes sense. Typical "Dimwit Demo Double Standards!"

I'm not sure if it's two or three more posts each, but they'll both soon be in the official "IDIOT TROLL" category right along with Hal Donahooey and "Ranger" etc.

You guys must be oh so proud! :-)




Taft
U do realize - that you have taken an abortion thread...and moved it to the Iraq War, McCains houses and DUIs.

When I think of politicians and DUIs - I think of the Kennedys.

Obamacide
Makes one wish that Oblablama had been the late term abortion he now abets.

Back to the Sixties Radical
Taft, you are delusional. The Bill Ayers-Obama tie is solid and the Demos re-enforced the ad's potency because of their tremendous reaction to it with thousands of e-mails to TV stations plus their attempts to legally ban it. Like Rush said they should have just ignored it. Obama has been painted as a radical and the image will stick. Maybe he can run as president of Kenya, you think?

Illegal Abortions
Someone in the state of Illinois should have the responsibility for over seeing abortion laws? If illegal abortions were being performed, then someone needs to be held accountable. Why is it that no one has been arrested for turning a blind eye to a crime? There are legal abortions, eh?

Taft - obama wasn't in Illinois in 2005
Taft - your information is accurate but meaningless. Obama was no longer in the Illinois State Legislature when the born alive protections legislation was passed there. He has NEVER VOTED FOR born-alive protections. ALWAYS AGAINST. AWLAYS.

happening now in denver


Not rioting; the Pro-Life demonstrations and ads in the streets. I found it here:

http://www.americanthinker.com



Titled:


Voices for the Unborn on the Streets of Denver


Naturally, our leftist media hasn't paid much attention.

IN CASE ANYONE IS AVOIDING TO SAY IT....
ANY PERSON who, knowing what Obama would allow
to happen to a full-term, viable child, still
goes into a voting booth and places their vote
to put him in the White House, IS JUST AS GUILTY OF THE TORTURE AND DEATH OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE BABIES, AS THE ABORTION DOCTOR WHO PLUNGES THE SHARP INSTRUMENT INTO THE BASE OF THE TINY SKULL.

A person believing pro-choice is one thing, but this is clearly murder, and the choice to end pregnancy should had been made months before; there is no excuse for waiting til the baby is almost ready to be born and get an abortion -
no excuse at all. VOTERS WHO WOULD AGREE TO UTTER SENSELESS, VICIOUS MURDER OF THAT BABY BY
VOTING FOR OBAMA, SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE:

JUST AS GUILTY, JUST AS THOUGHTLESS, JUST AS
COLD, JUST AS CALLOUS, JUST AS SICKENING, JUST
AS REPREHENSIBLE, JUST AS VICIOUS.
I would not even sleep in the same house as one of them, because they obviously do not give a crap about human life. The horrible thing is that there are many, many Obama voters out there. IF I WERE YOU, I WOULDN'T TURN YOUR BACK ON THEM FOR A SECOND - THEY AREN'T EVEN WORTHY OF TRUST.

Obamacide
Someone should ask the junior senator just what was his plan for the demise of the abortion survivors. Maybe a blow to the head, perhaps sucking their brains out, maybe lethal injection?

Lethal injection -- too harsh for serial killers, but perfectly good enough for infants eh?


"WHAT DO YOU CALL"
A lawyer who defends a death row murderer, on the grounds that the murderer 'has changed'?--A Professional,doing a job in order to line his pockets. Or a lawyer, who befriends an unrepentant terrorist, on the grounds that the unrepentant terrorist is now an 'upstanding' part of the community?--A 'TRAITOR', using corruption in order to line his pockets with power.

Taft STFU already you souless troll.....
If you want to kill those who make it through a botched abortion then go ahead vote with your heart, you are one of the useful idiots that are mentioned so often, Obama is the anti-christ 666 end of the world, get it.? Cheers

MOST IMPORTANT...UPCOMING
NOT ABORTION--EVEN THO' IT'S TERRIBLE!
NOT GOING TO BE IRAQ!
SURVIVAL: ENERGY,ENERGY! I JUST READ A VERY LONG REPORT ABOUT THOSE LYING DOGS IN SAUDI
ARABIA..THERE IS NO WAY THEY CAN HAVE THE OIL RESERVES THEY SAY THEY HAVE...NO WAY! WALL STREET CAN YAK ALL THEY WANT..SOME OF THE BEST AUTHORITIES IN THE WORLD SAY THEY ARE LYING!
SHOULD THEY START GETTING LOW ENOUGH ..THEY COULD SHUT OFF 30/40 % TO PRESERVE WHAT THEY HAVE..AND YOU WILL SEE A HORROR THAT YOU ONLY SEE IN THE MOVIES ! JUST A THOUGHT! IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN..AFTER THE ELECTION! REMEMBER THE LONG GAS LINES OF THE 70'S? That was mild compared to what may happen.....?
The article points out that coal is going to be very vital.Romney talked about it during the
primary debates!Coal is about to be turned into liquid..and can be used for cars of the future!
Speaking of Romney..the demo donkeys are really going after him...gotta love someone that they hate! smile! Why after him? He's nobody important...he's not running for prez!
elvis

Wendy you are a very sad person
The gift of life should not taken lightly as you seem to think. You protest soo much that I believe you must have had an abortion or two or three, it really does start to weigh upon your conscience, doesn't it???

Some things never "change"...
Once again, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party has failed to show moral leadership on a variety of issues. This was particularly evident with Obama’s response to Pastor Rick Warren’s questions about the rights of infants. Obama responded that he didn’t know when life begins. He even supports late term abortions. The Democrats like to present themselves as a defender of the common people. In reality, it has been Republicans who have led the way in many human rights issues. Ironically, it has been Republican leaders of the past -- leaders like Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, Jr. – who made it possible for the likes of Obama to get where he is now! The party was also a leader in voting rights for women. About a century ago, our fight was against slavery; today the fight is against legally sanctioned infanticide! Republicans are still the most ardent defenders of human rights, from the smallest and helpless (babies) to the oppressed around the world (Soviet Union to Iraq) - while many Democrat leaders like Obama represent no change at all.

Hey, dreadnot
dreadnaught
Location: CA

Reply # 43
Date: Aug 25, 2008 - 4:18 PM EST Subject: Bravo, Matt Barber!


We'll see a few Kool-Ade addicts of the Left quibble over a slick word like Obamacide today. But not even they can dispute the facts. Obama is an extreme Left gladiator; ready to die for the abortion cause.

Furthermore, whoever in his right mind would have this peculiar politician for his/her President, is just as dangerous to America. That's how I see it, anyway.

Tenore2 answers:

It's comforting to know that we can agree on one issue. Abortion is abominable and those who commit this "murder of innocents" will answer for it. If this nation does not stop condoning this horrible practice, we will eventually become like bloodthirsty animals. Most anmals will protect their young, especially the "mother." Just try coming between a mama bear and her cub; you will be in big trouble.

It amazes me that anyone who is about to become a mother would kill her child. God help us if we don't stop this practice.

Wendy and Bob

Every day I thank God for my wonderful children and anybody who thinks allowing babies born alive to be left to die, in my opinion is already dead themselves.

It must pain you both terribly to have to live with the shame of not having been aborted yourself but at least you can be comforted in the knowledge that your brain was sucked out at birth and with it, your humanity.


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