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Friday, July 10, 2009
Larry Kudlow :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Road to Economic Demoralization
by Larry Kudlow
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There’s no question that current government policies for taxes, spending, and regulation are causing the U.S. to lose competitiveness in the global race for capital, prosperity, and growth.

Of course, China has been moving in the direction of free-market capitalism for years. To some extent, this shows the positive benefits of America’s free-trade policies and its open-mindedness in helping nurture not only China growth, but also middle-class prosperity worldwide.

But what’s particularly galling about Obamanomics is that we may well be losing our competitive edge with Europe. While Europe is ever so slightly moving toward Reagan and Thatcher, the U.S. is shifting toward an overtaxed and overregulated model that smacks of François Mitterrand. That’s something no one should want to tolerate.

Heavy government controls at home, along with an income-leveling social policy couched in economic-recovery terms, is no way to run a railroad. At the simple stroke of a computer key, world investment flows to its most hospitable destination. That includes a reliable currency. But in President Bush’s last year and President Obama’s first, the U.S. has become a less-hospitable destination for global capital. That should worry everybody.

But let’s first look to the China story.

We know that China is already our principal banker, to the tune of nearly $1 trillion. As President Obama’s record spending and borrowing continues -- he’ll be the greatest bond salesman in American history -- our financial reliance on China grows daily. But that’s not all.

Fortune magazine recently reported that the number of U.S. companies in the world’s top 500 fell to the lowest level ever, while more Chinese firms than ever made the list. Thirty-seven Chinese companies now rank in the top 500, including nine new entries. Meanwhile, the number of U.S. firms has fallen to 140, the lowest total since Fortune began the list in 1995. This is not good.

China also surpassed the U.S. as the world’s biggest automaker in the first half of 2009, with June sales soaring 36.5 percent from a year earlier. The Chinese registered 6.1 million car sales for the first half of the year. That way outpaced American sales, which were only 4.8 million.

And China has no capital-gains tax. It only has a 15-to-20 percent corporate tax. The U.S., on the other hand, is raising its cap-gains tax rate to 20 percent. It’s also increasing its top personal tax rates.

In fact, the scheduled income-tax hike along with a much-discussed 4 percent health-care surtax will balloon the top U.S. tax rate all the way to 51 percent. And there’s more. In order to finance so-called health-care reform, congressional Democrats are now talking about raising the tax rate on capital gains and dividends by another 1.5 percent while installing a value-added tax (VAT) that would begin at 1.5 percent.

So top tax rates in the U.S. may edge into the mid-50 percent range. Compare that to the OECD average of only 42 percent. And when those tax-hikes kick in, the top U.S. tax rate will rank above that of France, Germany, and Italy. That can’t be good.

Incidentally, our 40 percent corporate tax rate is already almost 15 percentage points higher than the corporate rates in most of Europe.

Washington’s enormous expansion of the state-, local-, and federal-government spending share of GDP to over 40 percent -- including Bailout Nation, TARP, and takeovers in numerous industries -- is eerily reminiscent of Old Europe’s old policies. And in an ironic twist, Europe seems to be moving toward a lower-tax-and-spend-and-regulate, Ronald Reagan–type approach, while the U.S. is regressing to the failed socialist model of Old Europe. This makes no sense.

Higher tax rates undermine the incentive model of growth. At the margin, investment risk and work effort become less rewarding. On top of this, Obama’s regulatory moves toward greater government control of the economy will further drown animal spirits in a sea of red tape born of bureaucratic officialdom.

Think about this in terms of the threat to nationalize heath care, which is over 15 percent of the economy. Additionally, Washington’s cap-and-trade proposals will essentially nationalize the entire energy sector -- another 15 percent of the economy -- sending long tentacles into every nook of the economy that’s impacted by energy, which is virtually everything.

And all this comes on top of the U.S. government’s takeover of auto companies, banks, AIG, Fannie, and Freddie. Instead of Schumpeterian gales of creative destruction, we’re on the road to economic demoralization.

Here’s the clincher: Year-to-date, Dow Jones stocks are off 8 percent, while China stocks are up 71 percent. The world index is up 4 percent. Emerging markets are up 25 percent. They’re all beating us. None of this is good.

We’re going the wrong way. That’s why stock markets are not voting for the United States anymore.

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SO GOES the NATION !


WHY CALIFORNIA is BROKE, and so goes the REST of the USA !

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking..

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, and 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. To taxpayer cost of over 60,000 a year per inmate ::::: 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

6 times what we pay per “STUDENT” in Education.

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue

Creekboy et al

That was my rate four years ago - I was giving you a break.

You can make as much money as you want in America - all you have to do is provide a product or service that provides value to the buyer.

If the buyer wants or needs a product or service and you provide the buyer with the best value (cheapest) with the best quality, you have a sale.

If you have nothing to provide but nonsense, that is NOT a value even if it is free.

You are a provider of nonsense - that will never make you successful and keep you permanently in the ranks of a beggar.

Thank you Larry Kudlow
for another insightful column.

Another probem for our future is that 30% of our children are not finishing high school.

Our education employees seem to be more interested in themselves than the children.
Watch the top lawyer of the NEA tell it like it is at http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/09/nea-general-counsel-un ion-dues-not-education-are-our-top-priority/

$250 an hour?

You must be one of the 250Kers.

Buckle up professor you're going to bay the tab for Ronnie.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif


Creekboy et al

You hammerhead.

Break the economy down to its fewest components - I am glad you were never one of my students.

What components make up the US economy e.g. 'War on Poverty'.

What 'WOP' cost.

What does 'WOP' contribute to the GDP.

What is the measurable ROI for 'WOP'.

and on and on.

Each component must be analyzed at the highest level of abstraction for each component - those that cause a negative effect on the economy must be eliminated.

Please don't ask me questions, you are far to ignorant to teach.

I would consider some classes for you @ $250 an hour - cash in advance - minimum of 100 hours per subject.

Rick from the state who elected Franken

You are posting a link to a nonsensical organization that is run by a former Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton appointee.

They specialize on the following:

* Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (for example, by encouraging efforts to expand health coverage among low-income working families);

* Food stamps (for example, by designing and promoting state options to simplify and streamline food stamp procedures and thereby boost participation among working-poor families);

* Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (for example, by helping states design programs that can help TANF recipients succeed in the workplace and increase their earnings);

* Supplemental Security Income (for example, by promoting policies that increase the fairness and accuracy of the disability determination process);

* WIC and child nutrition (for example, by helping states contain WIC costs by negotiating advantageous contracts with infant formula manufacturers);

* Low-income housing programs (for example, by designing improvements to help families with housing assistance use it to move to areas with better job opportunities).

* Low-income tax credits (for example, by developing proposals to improve the operation of the Earned Income Tax Credit and the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit and by helping states create or expand state EITCs).

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Of course they will agree and say Barack Obama is doing the correct things.

Next time choose Michelle Obama to authenticate what Barack Obama is doing, she has the same financial interests as the 'Center on Budget and Policy Priorities'.

Geek the troubleshooter

Break it down into the fewest components.

Debt relative to GDP graphed in % over time.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif


The truth will set you free!
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2870

You don't need no stinkin' fear!

You don't need no stinkin' thinkin'!

Be aware!

Liberal 'Progressive Insanity'

Barack Obama is a prime example of Liberal 'Progressive Insanity'.

Most humans try to understand complex systems and/or problems by using 'High Level Abstraction', or reducing each problem and/or system to the fewest components, so that each individual component may be analyzed and examined, bringing about an understanding of the complex problems or systems by their basic foundation or basic structure.

Barack Obama and Liberals use 'Low Level Abstraction' increasing the problems or systems to the highest number of components and then before any analysis begins, they begin to add components and then wait and see what happens before they begin to repeat the process.

The end result of the Barack Obama and Liberal approach, is that everything is now so confusing that NO one can understand the problems or systems - NOT even them.

This seems more of a method of Marxist thinking - an attempt to understand things as they are in complexity or will become in even more complexity, rather than some attempt to actually design a system.

Notice Barack Obama and Liberals always want to add these components, by contending they are critical to any type of success, without anyone even reading or debating the components and then Obama explicitly or implicitly states that the new component or mix of components will be examined later.

Barack Obama and Liberals then term this 'Progress' and this becomes the underlying foundation of 'Liberal Progressives' (Liberalism).

All my Dem Buddy's
Told me not to vote for McCain or we would have huge deficits, guess what I voted for him anyway and they were right! Deficits for as far as the eye can see. Dang I hate it when they are right.

David

How about this source...

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

The White house.

Is it bad to double the national debt?

That's exactly what Reagan did.

You 250Kers are going to help us with this debt.

Duhhhhh ! ObamaBoy CrackBoy !

How Convenient Your Graph Was Last Modified on February 6th 2008 !

You don't want Th'ers to look at The Damage to Our Economy Obama is doing right now.

Your Source : Some Dude named Ed Hall

My Source :Council of Economic Advisers,Office of management and Budget.

Tell us all you know about Ed Hall !

You're Up ,ObamaBoy !

Debt
Look at this graph. How convenient the graph starts in 1990.

When this graph started we were a debtor nation. Before Reagan we were a creditor nation.

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamade bt1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/USDebt. png/514px-USDebt.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/USDebt.png


CrackBoy 's Obamaboy Agenda !

Those figures were last modified way back on February 6th 2008,Sport !

You don't want TH'ers to look at Obama's Trumping Damage to The American Taxpayers and Our Economy.

Do Your Homework !

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/27/obamas-doubling-of-nat ional-debt-in-pictures/

Source Of Figures : Council Of Economic Advisers,U.S. Office of Management and Budget

Ghana says Obama KENYAN BORN!
Modern Ghana calls Africa ...

continent of Obama's birth!

Do they know something that WE don't know about the FAKE POTUS?

Want to read more?

Go here:

http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/AfricaContinentOfHisBirth .htm

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

USPatriot56

Larry, did you forget to consult
Moe and Curly before submitting this inane article?

I think it's terrific the way the Republican Party uses their powers of selective memory to wash away the last eight years of decay of our country and its economic infrastructure while a few fat cats cornered the wealth obesity market.

Leverage that with a racist-leaning, holier and more righteous-than-thou bunch of ill-educated trailer parkers that wouldn't know what socialism was if it kicked 'em in the goodies, and you have the caustic spew that spills over daily on this website.

The fact that anyone here thinks that a Republican administration wouldn't be in the same spot, with roughly the same set of tactics deployed to fix the mess of our past administration is just plain f'in STUPID, and blinded by their own narrow, severely limited intellectual capacity.

You people are unpatriotic, even traitorous and an embarrassment to this great country. If you can't follow, get the hell out of the way, and shut your uninformed, uneducated yaps.

Have a nice day.


Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

You show the logic a first grader on a long trip.

I'm sure you are a very nice lady but your political philosophy has bankrupted my country and has put my children's prosperity in doubt.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

You want to repeat what we did in 1981 and 2001.

Suicidal.

Duh Obamaboy Crackboy !

Wake Up Boy !

Obama's Redistribution of The Wealth Scam will Double The National Debt to $12.5 TRILLION !

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/27/obamas-doubling-of-nat ional-debt-in-pictures/

Do Your Homework !

Double Dip Recession?

There exists a risk that we will have a double dip recession according to some analysts. The June employment report suggests that could be teh case. The stock markets have dropped four weeks in a row, and that also suggests we are headed into the second dip of a a double recession.

Some Dems are calling for a second stimulus.

Meanwhile, BO is telling us that his so-called stimulus is doing as intended.

Does BO think Americans are stupid?

Yo geekboy, you already have...
creekboy ............... Location: TX
Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 11:54 AM EST All you real Americans...
...
Take this graph, print it out, roll it into a tight tube and tape it.
Wipe it down with Vaseline and slide it up your %**.
You gave this debt to my country, you walk around with it.
=====================================

Big talk sonny, since we all know you require absolutely no "Vaseline" to take NObama's offering down your gullet, or straight up your breech.

You are what is known by the "White Massars" who run the DemWitOCraphead Party as a "MasterReceiver."

Which is kind of like a Masterbater, except your participation is not required for stimulation.

LOL!!!

Rick et. al.
"A government report last week showed that employers cut 467,000 jobs in June and the unemployment rate rose to 9.5 percent, the highest since 1983."

One thing I DO remember is that unemployment was not supposed to go above 8%. On top of 2 million jobs lost in the 1st 3 months, now in the month of June we have lost 467,000 more. Without counting Apr and May, we have already lost 2.5 millions. When is he going to save those 2.5 million jobs and create more?

"The weakening labor market is taking a toll on Obama’s popularity."

No kidding. But fear not, Der Leader has a plan.

"Obama, in his speech, said the stimulus program is helping state governments save jobs."

Except in California and Ohio, apparently. But who cares, those states are typcially Blue and will continue to vote for Der Leader.

the president said, "Were it not for the program, state deficits would be nearly twice as large as they are now, resulting in tens of thousands of additional layoffs -- layoffs that would affect police officers, teachers, and firefighters.”

Of course we have no way of knowing this for a fact. But we DO KNOW for a fact that hundreds of thousands jobs have been lost to date since he said he would fix it.

In asking for public patience, Obama said the recovery act “wasn’t designed to restore the economy to full health on its own, but to provide the boost necessary to stop the free fall.”

Now he tells us. It wasn't supposed to restore the economy, merely to boost it. What a let down that news is. So we spent $750 Billion on pork, perks, and favorite projects; and not a cent on needs. And on top of that, he wants another $750 billion more for Stimulus II. And on top of that too, he wants to fund general health insurance for all. The only thing I can guarantee is that he will absolutely and totally bankrupt the USofA. Maybe that was his goal all along. Maybe everything is going as expected to him.

Rick et.al.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a0StZd9 y2rCY

"July 11 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said his $787 billion stimulus bill “has worked as intended”

Well what do you know? President BHO never said he intended for unemployment to reach 9.5%. I thought he said it would be fixed before it went over 8%.

"It has already extended unemployment insurance and health insurance to those who have lost their jobs in this recession. “It has delivered $43 billion in tax relief to American working families and business," said BHO.

But was that what he said the stimlulus package was enacted to do? I don't recall anything of the sort. Of course, no one knows for sure because no one was allowed to read it before it was enacted.

"Obama spoke after stocks fell for a fourth week on concern that an economic recovery will be delayed."

This does not sound promising. I would bet BHO will do everything in his power to delay the recovery until just before he needs the votes.

All you real Americans...

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

Take this graph, print it out, roll it into a tight tube and tape it.

Wipe it down with Vaseline and slide it up your %**.

You gave this debt to my country, you walk around with it.

Question for Liberals?

I asked this question of Liberals the other day here at Town Hall.

"Should 'Every Legal' American Citizen enjoy the same 'Rights' and 'Protections' delineated in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more - no less?"

The response was:
"Your question is so 'Confusing' and so out of 'Touch with Reality' that the question cannot NOT be understood - much less answered."

NObama is a statist...
FASCISM surely isn't the "CHANGE" you was counting on!!

And,

Calling is SOCIALISM is far too benevolent, since all us real Americans recognize it to be MARXISM pure and simple.

If you doubt what I say, simply drag out a Webster's and substitute the words dictator, or powerful centralized government with the word "STATIST" since this is what NObama and the regime of perverts and criminals he brought into the White House with him have already proven themselves to be.

The Coming Insurrection
"Thirty years of "crisis," mass unemployment, and flagging growth, and they still want us to believe in the economy. . . . We have to see that the economy is itself the crisis. It's not that there's not enough work, it's that there is too much of it.

The Coming Insurrection is an eloquent call to arms arising from the recent waves of social contestation in France and Europe. Written by the anonymous Invisible Committee in the vein of Guy Debord—and with comparable elegance—it has been proclaimed a manual for terrorism by the French government (who recently arrested its alleged authors). One of its members more adequately described the group as "the name given to a collective voice bent on denouncing contemporary cynicism and reality." The Coming Insurrection is a strategic prescription for an emergent war-machine to "spread anarchy and live communism."

—from The Coming Insurrection

The Radical Left in Europe is rejecting the Left of social reform. They are tired of waiting for goodies and a social utopia. The want to bring about complete collapse and replace their economies with communism.

It is a "call to arms" and it is widely popular amongst college students, immigrants, radicals, and the impoverished.

The book will be published in the US next month.


Be prepared, very prepared.

Geekboy likes to suckle...
D G ....................... Location: KY
Date: Jul 12, 2009 - 9:00 AM EST Personal Insults
I wonder if those guilty of insulting other posters can explain why they do that.
I took the time to make a thoughtful post and look at the next one.
Is there something wrong with respecting other people's thoughts?
This is a public forrum and people are exercising their Constitutional right to freedom of speech. Those who have a problem with that can find something else to read.
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Awwww come on D.G., you can't possibly be upset by some ignorant little booger muncher who during the early days of the great Ronald Reagan was still launching mushy yellow stink bombs in his pampers while suckling on his communal dwelling Mommy's teet.

These days we see him substituting his mommy's teet with his messiah's manhood. He's always sucking on something.

Understanding the Obama Czars

Trying to understand anything by the definition of Liberal words, (especially those of Barack Obama) is futile and only leads to confusion of anyone trying to discern what is actually meant.

ObamaSpeak is quite similar to the terms introduced by George Orwell in the dystopian classic "1984", 'DoubleThink' and 'NewSpeak'.

The Orwellian term 'DoubleThink' in simple terms is tightly coupled to 'Cognitive Dissonance', where a person holds two diametrically opposed views of reality as one view, i.e. "War is Peace", "Freedom is Slavery".

The Orwellian term 'NewSpeak' in simple terms, was designed to replace and reduce the concepts of e.g. objectivity and rationalism into one term - 'OldThink'.

The ObamaSpeak term 'Czar', has little if anything to do with the original meaning of the word 'Czar'.

The ObamaSpeak term 'Czar' cannot be understood by definition and must be understood by function.

The German Socialist term 'Führerprinzip' and its intended function, reveals the intended purpose of the ObamaCzar.

This approach is basically a 'Hierarchical' structure where someone is appointed directly and has the sole responsibility of oversight of a particular function i.e. 'Energy', with little interaction with others except for the one who made the appointment.

This effectively bypasses Congress or other oversight and leaves decision making in the hands of the appointer.

In Germany this approach was used not only on business entities but Mayors, Union Leaders etc.

If and when California is bailed out, Barack Obama will appoint a Czar of California to oversee the 'Investment' for the "American People" and thus acquire control of the eighth largest economy in the World and bypass the California Government and its citizens.

This introduces another German Socialist term 'Ausnahmezustand' or in simple terms, governing by Crises, manufactured or because of current conditions.

Parable of the Car that isn't Working

A couple has a car that isn't working and since neither of them are mechanical, they want an expert to 'Fix' the car.

They approach a very confident young man who ensures them he can 'Fix' the car.

He tells them if they will select him, their Car problems will be over, he is very likeable and confident and his words are soothing - they decide he is the one they want and sign a contract to have him 'Fix' the car.

Some time later they ask him how he is doing - he responds 'I won' the contract and you will just have to 'Trust Me'.

They ask 'what is wrong with the car?' - he responds 'I am replacing the muffler system' - they ask - 'is that expensive', he responds 'yes but it is necessary'.

Some time later they ask him 'is the car 'Fixed yet?' - he responds 'I am now replacing the electrical system' - they ask - 'so that is what is wrong with the car?'

He responds 'I have a great deal of experience organizing communities and selling newspaper subscriptions door to door and when you question me it makes me angry'.'

Some time later they ask him 'is the car Fixed Yet?' - he responds 'I am replacing the engine with a really expensive engine, it will save you money in the future and might 'Fix' your problems with the car'.

Some time later they ask him 'We really need our car because we have given you all of our money and are now borrowing money to pay you.'

He responds 'This may take months or even years, you must be patient, after all I didn't break the car someone else did - the broken car was brought to me.'

They respond 'But you asked for the job and we selected you because you said you could 'Fix' it'.

He responds 'I have to go now, I have parties to attend and $100 a pound beef to buy, and my wife needs a $6000 purse and $500 dollar sneakers, your problems are interfering with my Life'.

BTW he asks 'Can you tell me how to distinguish a Door from a Window on my new home?'

obama
This man is such a liar, I mean more than the average politician. I am sick and tired of a "president" that goes around and apologizes for the actions of this great country. He is a one term senator, geopolitical neophite, who knows nothing of this countries history or of it's constitution. He puts on all this show about sorrow for slavery. What would he know about slavery. He came up through the beneficence of this country, educated for free, supported by radicals and now criticizes the greatness that brought him to the most powerful office in the world
That won't last long though he is hell bent on making this a third class third world country which will finally show all of the obmamaniacs what an ill suited, uneducated, buffoon he really is.

Obama's Plan? Destruction of The Economy
Ignore Obama's Words and Policies!!
And, today, it was announced that Obama is going to start Targeting Small Businesses to give Stimulus Money to. Wonder what that's all about? Well, if you just read this article, you know.

Obama and the Libs in Congress want to get their Tentacles into Small Businesses by giving them Stimulus Money, and of course, with all the Federal Strings Attached. The Strings designed to Strangle Them Out of Business.

The absolute and complete destruction of America's Foundations is what Obama is up to and he must be stopped.

It is time for a massive letter writing and phone calling campaign to forewarn all the members of Congress that their Days Are Numbered in Office should they continue to allow this Steamrolling Destruction of Our Economy and the American Way of Life.

As for me, I am going to continue to Go Against Obama and his policies and be as politically incorrect as is possible every opportunity that I get. I refuse to Live in Fear from Obama or of any of his policies. If enough Americans would just stand up and Tell Them that Enough is Enough, they would get the message.

What and Where is the Obama Plan?

Can Liberals Explain to the Rest of us?

Can you Liberals show the rest of us, the Barack Obama plan to 'Solve' the economic crisis?

Where is the plan?

Please post a link that shows the basic outline of the Barack Obama plan?

The plan should show the basic problems the Barack Obama plan wants to solve and then the 'Specific Solutions' that would 'Solve' those specific problems.

I cannot seem to find anything except that Barack Obama is in charge and things will be better now.

That doesn't seem to be very specific.

What and Where is the Barack Obama plan?

Rick
http://caveatemptorblog.com/2009/04/03/2-million-jobs-lost- in-2009/#respond

2 miilions jobs lost as Apr. 3, 2009. This for the 1st 3 months. So much for saving or creating 2.5 million jobs. Or will he start counting after all the jobs are lost up front?

Can anyone explain to Liberals?

Can anyone explain to Liberals that Barack Obama said he could solve the problems facing America and applied for the job and was elected on that premise?

Can anyone explain to Liberals that Barack Obama is NOW in charge and all Former Presidents are not in charge?

Liberals wanted Barack Obama and now he is in charge - what does anyone else from the past or even the present have to do with what Barack Obama is doing to America?

Everyone should be to the point, where basic judgments should be made on Barack Obama and his policies and team.

Either Barack Obama and his economic team, have no idea what they are doing, stumbling blindly in the darkness of their combined ignorance groping for some solution and searching for excuses for their missteps, mismanagement and folly, or they are willfully trying to create and fuel this disaster so that Barack Obama can crash the entire American economic system, whereas Obama can be 'Supreme Leader' of a new Totalitarian Government, based on 'Fascism' or 'Marxist Socialism' - either way America is in big trouble.

Rick
http://caveatemptorblog.com/2009/04/03/2-million-jobs-lost- in-2009/#respond

2 million jobs lost in 2009 as of April 3, 2009. From watching the news reports, more jobs have been lost since. BHO's plan to save 2.5 million looks to be on the rocks. He expects to create jobs but what kind of jobs does a goverment create? Will the jobs he creates have sustainability? To create lasting jobs requires a healthy private sector. BHO is looking to tax that private sector heavily. What jobs are going to be created in that kind of environment?

I refuse to drink your kool-aid. I will continue to evaluate the posts here and offer comments. But to blindly follow your hopes... nah. I'll pass.

D G_KY #258: RE "Personal Insults."

First of all, your post was spot on!!!

But, we learned long ago that the liberals primary agenda is to insult, ridicule, and demean.

Reasonable, rational, intelligent debate isn't even part of their agenda.

But, keep in mind, the more they insult, ridicule, and demean YOU and your FACTS, is in direct proportion to how right you are!



Rick
Your link is someone's opinion based on what he read in the CBO (which is run by the Democrats). According to you, it is going to happen just as your author imagines it will. What evidence can you present that suggests it will happen as you state?

Businesses are folding. Unemployment is rising. Lending is slowing down. Keep in mind, BHO said we must pass his stimulus package unread to prevent unemployment from going over 8%. Well, what he imagined did not come to pass since it is about 9.5%. Keep in mind, Barney Franks is pushing for banks to ease their policies regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (sounds familiar doesn't it?). What Democrats imagined about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not happen the first time did it? We have thrown money at the banks to stimulate lending. The banks are sitting on that money to make their bottom line look better. What was imagined did not happen.

I am not concerned with your imaginings. Give me factual evidence that suggests that BHO's plans are working. Without your facts, your opinions carry very, very little weight.

Personal Insults

I wonder if those guilty of insulting other posters can explain why they do that.

I took the time to make a thoughtful post and look at the next one.

Is there something wrong with respecting other people's thoughts?

This is a public forrum and people are exercising their Constitutional right to freedom of speech. Those who have a problem with that can find something else to read.

The sky is NOT falling!!!
R E ......................... Location: FL
Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 9:34 PM EST This article confirms the totus statement that the stimulus is working exactly as he expected it to. His intent is to destroy America.
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R.E. your final statement affirms what I was running around yelling at the top of my lungs prior to last November.

However, folks musta thought I was emulating Chicken Little yelling, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!"

When in fact I was yelling....

"Being ranked the #1 most libturd in all of America truly does have consequences!!"

I must believe, if a majority of Americans understood the differences between liberals and conservative, none would ever vote for a DumboCraphead to be so much as a dog catcher.

Not to say there are no libturd Republicans, merely pointing out the fact there are absolutely zero conservative DemWitOCrapheads.

IOW: A person cannot vote for any DumbOCraphead and believe themselves to be an American patriot, unless they are a friggin half-wit.


Here, read what is going to happen
This is a very clear rundown of the stimulus and characterizes the misinformation. Myth management 101.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2870

creekboy
There is no credibility in any republican. That is why I am not a republican. And in case you didn't know, in Texas multiple ballots are cast only by dead, unregistered, or illegal democrat voters.

Isn't it ironic?
We are fastly becoming what China used to be and China is fastly becoming what we once were! When you consider that we saw the failings of Socialism and are still turning toward it, it makes you wonder just how stupid people are.

more jobs
The voting public, or at least most of it, doesn't care about what happened 5 years ago or last year, they care about RIGHT NOW and in the future. What have you done for me lately?
Is this getting fixed with the current policies?
The answer is no. Social programs produce very few jobs and the ones it does produce are paid for by the taxpayers.
We need new policies that will create jobs and lift the economy.

KATZ
I like the cut of your jib, but i do suggest you remember George Patton's outlook. One doesn't prevail by dying for one's country (beliefs), but by making the other poor SOB die for his country (beliefs). We don't need martyrs, we need winners. Only Democrats can vote after they die.

Greekboy
You state that the people were paying off the debt from WWII until Reagan took office. However, the national debt has increased every year for the past 52 years. How do you pay off debt but still have it increase?

Katz, another Texan

How many times did you vote for George W. Bush?

Four times?

There is no credibility in a Texas republican.

I Love Taxes!
I think it is a wonderful thing to pay taxes. I believe that all of mankind benefits when the productive work their as**s off to take care of the downtrodden. I will be glad to continue to cough up my paycheck to provide for parasites when the following things occur: The Kenyan hands over all of his wealth and the wealth he has socked away for his snarling, hateful wife and the brats: every member of Congress coughs up every dime he/she have, that invested on foreign soil, and that they have handed that over to their drug-crazed, sorry family members and every bureaucrat in DC does likewise; Mexico starts paying the American people for every illegal alien they send to the United States, about $10K per day should be sufficient; the welfare class goes to every taxpaying home in America and does free labor for 25 years; and every one of the deadbeat nations on earth starts paying reparations to the American people for all the money for which they have been soaked, I think that should be about $500K per month per tax-paying family. The kleptocracy of the United States has robbed the working American for years to support every undeserving person on the planet and now we stand to be robbed even more by our own elected government. To he** with this! I will donate my paycheck to this charity when I see the following conditions met. Until then, I will fight this theft. And I have no problem fighting this government; I can only be killed once.

The Arab prefers Arabs style
Look at the Arab world. It was reported a year or so ago that all Arab countries combined have a GNP less than Spain. Spain, for God's sake!

So naturally, our beloved Arab leader and closet Muslim wans to level the playing field: bring the U.S. down to the Arab/Muslim level. He apologized profusely to them for the U.S. being ahead of Egypt and Somalia.

What else should we expect from the product of community organizers, socialist teachings, black liberation theology, radicalism Cuban style and Chicago dirty politics? How can American people even thought of electing a friend of Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Rod Blagojevich and Toni Rezko? Stupidity is the answer.

D G or delerious goofus

"Clearly, GWB's fiscal polcies were very good for the economy."

You can't argue with a sick mind.

Recent History

The economy grew at a healthy pace each year following Tax Relief 2003 through 2007. For instance, the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit its all time high in October of 2007. We had the fourth longest expansion in history under GWB. That's quite an accomplishment. ....Through 2007 employment was improving, incomes were improving, revenue to the US Treasury was increasing, and deficits were declining. .... So what happened after 2007? ... We had close to zero growth in Q 4 of 2007, in Q 1 of 2008, and in Q 2 of 2008. ....That slow growth was attributable to the Federal Resrve Board's monetary policies which were slowing the pace of economic growth prior to 2008. ... By mid-summer of 2008, the available economic data at that time were telling the Fed we would NOT have a recession. (Read their FOMC minutes to confirm.) ....... As of mid-2008, data said: "No recession". .... That was in spite of the record high energy prices that slowed the economy also.... Then the credit crisis hit the economy very hard....The economy slowed in Q 3 of 2008.... Then it dropped very sharply in Q 4 of 2008 and in Q 1 of 2009......


Clearly, GWB's fiscal polcies were very good for the economy.

Fiscal policies DID NOT cause the Fed to slow the economy.........They DID NOT cause record high energy prices........They DID NOT cause the credit crisis.


The recession DID NOT result because of GWB's fiscal policies.


That is how things are.

Gladis

Yeah... sure you did.

FeargalX
Location: PA Reply # 239 Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 9:33 PM EST
"60 years ago, most medical providers in the U.S. were non-profit companies."

What do you have to support that statement? All insurance companies are in business to make money. For instance, The Prudential Insurance Co. started out in 1848 to make money. Nothing is/was for free.

"Our government ALREADY spends more per capita on health care than France and the UK."

There is NO constitutional authority for our government to do so. Insurance is NOT a function of government. Insurance IS a function of an insurance company. You approve of this un-constitutional activity for the sole purpose of politicians getting re-elected?

"We already have rationing -- and we have arbitrary post-treatment denials of coverage costs."

Exactly, we already have a health care system for the poor and needy even though it is un-constitutional - it is call MediCare/MedicAid. And we already see the rationing I mentioned above. Do you think that rationing will improve under BHO's plan?

"Bad private plans would go out of business with a simple government plan -- good providers would do fine."

In a free market system, bad companies always go out of business. But under government healthcare, good companies will be taxed twice, once when they pay for their plan and once when they pay for the government plan. Any businessman will see the handwriting on the wall and cease paying for his plan. When those plans go under, the good companies providing those plans will go under too.

Andrea
Location: FL Reply # 148
Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 11:03 AM EST David...
"You started out worng. GW Bush left us with well over a trillion dollar budget deficit.

GW Bush started office with a surplus from Bill Clinton."

Andrea, do you recall that our troops under Bush went into battle without battle armor? The reason was that Clinton defunded the military and Bush had to expenditures to cover that problem. You do remember recent history don't you?

Gladis
Take some of your pile and go back to school and learn to write.

Rick
Location: MN Reply # 98
Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 8:53 AM EST to Anne,
"Earning a Nobel Prize in Economics is one of the reasons for his renown, but he has been on call worldwide for a long time."


I used to think very highly of that Nobel prize. Then Carter and Arafat both got the prize and I realized that it was nothing more that one Liberal stroking another.

This article confirms
the totus statement that the stimulus is working exactly as he expected it to. His intent is to destroy America.

Birdman II
60 years ago, most medical providers in the U.S. were non-profit companies. That is no longer the case -- and it has created some of the serious issues our system has. Our government ALREADY spends more per capita on health care than France and the UK. When we add the cost per person of private health care plans, the U.S. spends more than twice per capita on medical coverage than France or the UK. Our system is not twice as good as these countries. We already have rationing -- and we have arbitrary post-treatment denials of coverage costs. Bad private plans would go out of business with a simple government plan -- good providers would do fine. That is good public policy.

Feargal
"It was the policy of the GOP to have business rather than the govt pay for health care -- as a consequence our healthcare costs have risen well beyond inflation."

After WWII, the government under Truman froze payroll. The insentive for hiring people became a heaalth care package that did not fall under governmental intrusion into hiring practices. Those health care policies continued until today.

Now the government under BHO is trying to wipe out those health care policies by competing with those very same insurance carriers. Eventually, under BHO and the Democrats, all health care will be controlled by the government. Governmental control will mandate rationing of health services because of costs. Effectively, government will say who gets served and who does not.

Andrea
Location: FL Reply # 28
Date: Jul 10, 2009 - 9:20 PM EST Kudlow, The Hater, You Lose
"Look, most of us do not buy your conclusion.

What was GW Bush doing during his 8 years to prevent the economic collapse and recession?

It's not going to work for the GOP to blame Obama for the mess, the voters just are not buying that."


Most us remember at least 8 years ago. Do YOU recall Bush bringing up the fact to Congress that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and CRA needed Governmental oversight? I personally thought the FAnnie, Freddie, and CRA should have been disbanded but no one ever asked my opinion. If you recall (apparently you don't think that far back) at roughly the same time, Bush mentioned that Social Security was in trouble and offered a plan whereby people could opt out of SS and do thier retirement program on their own. In both cases, Bush was shouted down by Democrats who saw some of their main programs for keeping the people tied to the Federal umbilical cord as a treat to their vote getting. After all an independent people would not need a Federal handout.

This at a time the BHO was still voting "present" in Illinois as a senator. Do you remember that far back?

Obama & FORCED abortions?!
YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK

Obama science czar Holdren called for forced abortions

'Comprehensive Planetary Regime could control development, distribution of all natural resources'

John Holdren - The man President Obama has chosen to be his science czar once advocated a shocking approach to the "population crisis" feared by scientists at the time: namely, compulsory abortions in the U.S. and a "Planetary Regime" with the power to enforce human reproduction restrictions.

"There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated," wrote Obama appointee John Holdren, as reported by FrontPage Magazine. "It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."

For more info go here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103707

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

USPatriot56



Rick - continued...
From http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/The_Job_Impact _ of_the_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Plan.pdf

"A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010."

How many jobs have already been lost since January? How do these already lost jobs fit in this propoganda piece? Should we lose 10-20 million jobs to save or create 3 million? Do your math.

Rick
Rick
Location: MN
Reply # 40
Date: Jul 10, 2009 - 10:01 PM EST Kudlow you're wrong!
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2009/07/cbo_and_epa_ana .html

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/The_Job_Impact_ of_the_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Plan.pdf

http://www.thebigmoney.com/features/making-payroll/2009/06/ 29/bring-public-option

These three links will allow you to get up to speed.

Read them Kudlow. Even if I spent time rebutting you, unless you read the available information, you're not going to understand.


Rick, I read your post and your links. I don't know if someone else already responded; if so I hope I am now stepping on his toes. Forgive me if I do.

You gave a link to: http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2009/07/cbo_and_epa_an a .html

Isn't the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) run be Democrats? Aren't they the same people that insisted on voting sight unsee for the stimulus package signed by BHO in January?

Referring to a chart: "Of course, this tabulation only includes the costs. In order to do a benefit-cost analysis, one would need to know the benefits of avoiding global climate change associated with green house gas emissions."

This is applicable only if you believe Man-made Global Warming as the Democrats do. If there is NO Man-made Global Warming then there is NO benefit to to be gained and only the losses would be manifested.

And who is Menzie Chinn that I should believe him?

Obama is SCAR!
I had the opportunity to watch THE LION KING the other day.

And while it clearly can be a allegory for many of life's lessons and struggles, it is CERTAINLY an allegory for Obama's AmeriKa!

Obama is NOT the Lion King - either Mustafa or Simba - but he IS - quite obvioulsy - SCAR - the FRAUDULENT LEADER OF THE PRIDE LAND.

And CLEARLY - the Hyennas - one of whom was voiced over by that LIBERAL DIM WIT - WHOOPEE (cushion) GOLDBERG - were obviously OBAMA supporters - especially his ACORN supporters.

But the most symbolic connection that the movie had to Obama's AmeriKa was the desolation and destruction of the PRIDE LAND by SCAR - the FAKE kings's POLICIES!

The PRIDE LAND under SCAR - like AmeriKa under Obama began to decay into a barren, desolate, inhabitable wasteland!

If you get a chance to watch the LION KING any time soon, watch it as if SCAR is OBAMA and the PRIDE LAND is AmeriKa under Obama.

It is a PERFECT allegory.

USPatriot56


Hawaii hospital NOW hiding Obama BIRTH?!
WAS OBAMA BORN IN THE USA?

Obama's 'birth hospital' in astonishing cover-up
Once proudly celebrated president, now in active mode to hide 'proof'

Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii

The Honolulu hospital which for nearly six months proudly declared President Obama was born at its facility and used that claim as a major fund-raising tool is now engaged in an active cover-up, hiding a White House letter announcing his alleged birth there and refusing to confirm such a letter even exists.

The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children is electronically cloaking what it had touted as a Jan. 24 letter from the president, in which the commander in chief, just four days after his inauguration, supposedly wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters."

WND was first to question the authenticity of the letter by revealing the image displayed on the hospital's website was not the image of an actual paper letter, but merely a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of websites.

For more information gor here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

USPatriot56




Hey creeky boy--
You say me and Caprock represent 2 votes for Bush. I voted for Bush 1, but wrote in Tom Tancredo instead of peso george. Tom wanted to close the borders and deport the illegal alien parasites.
I agree with Caprock about you, and BTW, if Dingle Barry is your main dude, maybe you would like to send us here a large monthly money order to help pay the taxes we have to pay for the upkeep of these illegals and punks in DC.
Anyway you can't even spell my name correctly.

1960Republican
Please explain to me where I compared the US to China.

Specifically, I used the formula from "The Forgotten Man". That is the title of a book on the Great Depression. It doesn't have anything to do with China.

I can guarantee you that I do not want any job associated with the Federal Govt. But for the military, I detest the Federal Gov., which has been unconstitutionally enumerated powers for a century. I want the smallest Federal Govt. possible.

Since I am a fiscally-conservative Constitutional, you can be certain that I feel the same way, regardless of party.

I know I did my part....
Russ ................... Location: OR
Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 6:25 PM EST

Even so, individual income tax revenues rose from $244 billion in 1980 to $446 billion in 1989.
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...because thanks to Ronald Reagan, my salary between 1980 and 1989 increased almost an order of magnitude.

By 1989 I was paying more each year in federal income tax than what I was grossing in 1980 under that horrible POS Jimah Carter.

Get up off your knees geekboy...
creekboy ................. Location: TX
Date: Jul 11, 2009 - 6:04 PM EST Savara and caprock

We are all from Texas but you two represent 8 votes for George W. Bush.
================================

Speaking of "credibilty", geekboy you can't declare yourself to be anything close to a native Texans, until you release that perpetual liplock you have on your messiah dangling fudge sickle and rise up off your knees.

BTW: Since unlike myself and other real Americans on this board, it's obvious you wasn't trying to keep a family fed, clothed, and housed back in 1979 under your suckbuddy Jimah Carters reign of terror, I'd say it's a safe bet the only thing you was suckling on in those days was your momma's teet, while simultaneously launching mellow yellow stink pellets in your Pampers.

Primus54 a 'Reactionary'
Reagan's tax cuts doubled revenues - but an out-of-control liberal congress increased spending even faster than revenues could keep up.

You really need to get away from the revisionist history books, boy."

Liberals rarely let facts get in the way of their talking points. This is from http://www.house.gov:

Incidentally, the claim that unrealistic supply side Reagan Administration revenue projections caused large budget deficits during the 1980s is false. Nonetheless, this false allegation is often used against current tax reform proposals. The official Reagan revenue projections immediately following enactment of ERTA did not assume huge revenue increases, and were actually quite close to the CBO revenue projections. Even the Democrat-controlled CBO projected that deficits would fall after the enactment of the Reagan tax cuts. The real problem was a recession that neither CBO nor OMB could foresee. Even so, individual income tax revenues rose from $244 billion in 1980 to $446 billion in 1989.

http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct. htm



John

Kudos to you.

I spent some time on the Dark Side - and am so lucky I studied things beneath the headlines and stopped letting others do my thinking.

And I really try to be patient with the young ones, but after spending ten years at Townhall (I forget what year they started comment threads... 2001 maybe?), I can tell you that having a debate with most of the liberals that come here is pointless.

You cannot debate someone who will not start off agreeing that a cloudless noonday sky is blue.

The disconnect with reality is frankly stunning.

Cheers!

John and Primus
It is said that if you are not a Democrat at 25 then you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative by the time you are 40 then you have no brain. It is easy to be an idealist when living on some one else's dime. Moving out in to the real world and having the responsibilities of raising a family and paying your own way does a lot to one's "perspective" on things.

From Hero to Zero in 6 Months...

Well, it had to happen at some point. The Hope-n-Changers are dropping off fast :-)

It was pretty obvious we were looking at a Deadbeat back in August... Remember? ... That was when the Democrat Conventioneers dumped all those pretty little American Flags they were waving into the Trash bins.

Yep! The Democrats hated waving those American Flag 'Props' so much they tossed them in the Trash like a rotten fish.

Can't believe they didn't take them home for kindling?

Savara and caprock

We are all from Texas but you two represent 8 votes for George W. Bush.

8 times you went in the voting booth and pulled the lever for an imbecile.

You would have voted for him again if possible.

You have no credibility.


Primus54
You are scaring me. I could have written the exact same thing. I actually voted for Walter Mondale because he was going to raise taxes. Leaving home and getting out into the real world was a real eye opener. Everyone should be a liberal when they are young. It is the older ones that scare me.

Creekboy
Do you know anything about US economic history? The deficits started with Lyndon Johnson. You have heard about his "Great Society" scheme, haven't you? However, the real start of government expansion and entitlements began with FDR and the New Deal.

creekboy

I suspect you weren't alive in 1979 - and if you were, you were a toddler.

I lived through it as an adult.

Reagan's tax cuts doubled revenues - but an out-of-control liberal congress increased spending even faster than revenues could keep up.

You really need to get away from the revisionist history books, boy.

BTW - I was a liberal once but woke up.

Have you ever been on the "other side"?

Health Care
Way back at 3:10 AM EST SJ Doc said,

"Health care could (and would) be a helluva lot less costly for the individual American and his family if the government got the hellangone out of the health care marketplace."

I believe a great example of free market health care is laser eye surgery.

I understand laser eye surgery is not covered by Medicare, Medicade, or (most) of the private insurance programs. So what is the result?

I understand that in the last decade or so, laser eye surgery has become much, much better and far cheaper.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


John
Great point, I completely forgot to mention the fact that when taxes are cut the amount of tax revenues increase as a result. Thanks for reminding me of this often overlooked fact.

What changed in 1981?

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

The legislative branch was democratic almost totally between WWII and 1980. The debt was always declining. Our parents and grandparents were working their butts off, paying down the war debt.

Then came the Voodoo.

Then came Voodoo 2.




Your pants are flying at half mast...
What might you expect Mr. Kudlow, the 50%-Amerifrican messiah and this army of perverts and criminals he brought with him already have our pants flying at half mast, with us broke over like breech loading bird guns, as he butt faarks hell out of all real Americans.

Deficit
The fact that you believe it will only be the 250Kers, as you like to put it, paying for this shows just how little comprehension you have of the numbers being thrown around by our President. He is already raising taxes on every thing other than income (cigarettes, energy and proposing a VAT for everyone) and when he realizes that there isn't enough money coming from these sources how long do you think it will be before he "just has to" tax everyone else as well? Get your head out of the sand and look at the numbers. Your own arguement about increased spending should make you question the validity of what Obama is doing. As Anne pointed out earlier, reducing the size of Government and taxes in 1920 averted a prolonged depression. Why is it you are unable to look at the facts and make a decision for yourself that the Government is not the answer to our problems?

creekboy writes:

"The pattern is clear, under republican leadership my country fall into debt."
-----

If by "leadership" you mean the presidency, then vote for a fiscally conservative congress like the one we had in the 90's.

Or find a tax-cutting Democrat like JFK.

If you honest-to-goodness think Obama, Pelosi and Reid are going to lower the long term debt - then I want some of whatever you're smoking.

Perhaps being in a constant haze of mood and mind altering substances would help ease the pain of what I see these socialists doing to MY country - the once-great USA.

Reagan deficits?
Creekboy wants to blame the deficit on Ronald Reagan. I guess Creekboy does not understand that Congress does the spending? In exchange for tax cuts, the Democrat controlled Congress got the additional spending that they wanted. Unfortunately, the Democrats cannot control themselves. Despite the fact that tax revenues doubled during the eight years that Reagan was president, the Democrats still managed to outspend the additional revenue. Reagan believed in the power of the people. Democrats believe in the power of government.


Paul

How this deficit was created.

Two punk economist (Laghler and Kudlow) were able to persuade Ronnie to pull out the credit card. Run it up, deficits don't matter, the magic of the markets will take care of everything.

We were a creditor nation now we are a debtor nation.

The reason it's important to look to past leadership is because that's the direction the right would take us.

But not this time. You 250Kers are going to help us turn this graph around.

Calling the shots--
It has always been obvious here,IMO, that the puppet masters of Dingle Barry, Peso George, and Monica's squeeze-Billy Jeff has controlled their decisions for the most part. Hell, common sense tells us that you can't have open borders without much security, citizenship for anchor parasites, handouts to illegals, outsourcing jobs, accepting "refugees", and constant borrowing from Red China, tax and spending sprees, bail outs and bonuses, and expect our country to excell financially. Don't forget our fiat currency.
Every one knows that the Fed is a bad joke, but the sheep continue to elect punks that only care about themselves.
No, Reagan was not perfect but he was a very conservative American. I wish we had people in DC like him instead of Banjo eyes nancy, The prune reid, and of course Dingle Barry.
It has to change or we are 3rd world as many have said before, IMO. I have my own conservative wish list for DC.

Creekboy
When examining your graph, you should understand how a deficit is created - spending more money than you earn - or in the case of the government, more than you take since we all know the government doesn't "earn". In order to truly balance a budget you must stop spending more than you have. Both parties have been guilty of this and to blame one more than the other is complete idiocy. The social engineering that has been implemented by our government ON the American people for the past 100+ years has been a travesty. Some politicians have tried over the years to bring back the ideas of our Founding Fathers (smaller government, self reliance, etc) but have been derailed by the “social” programs that have been created. In order to balance the budget we must demand the Federal Government to stop spending money on programs for which they have do not have constitutional authority. Once this happens, we will be able to lower taxes, create jobs and increase everyone’s standard of living.

With that being said, how does the massive increased spending proposed by our President go about reducing the deficit? Stop bashing the previous administrations and look at what is being proposed by our President and explain to me how his policies could work?

Primus54-My favorite "Reactionary"

Well now... it was 9:35AM TODAY (#107) when I posted, YET AGAIN, about what Pres. Warren Harding did... or more accurately DIDN'T DO, that resulted in an AMAZINGLY quick rebound from a severe, depression... and why it was only a ONE YEAR DEPRESSION.


Which, as we know, was the exact opposite from what Failed in Less than 6 months Obozo is doing....

And, YET AGAIN, the intellectually limited liberals IGNORE IT, like it never happened.


So much for the brain dead liberals.


primate54


"why do you think that website has failed to update the graph since February?"

What do you expect to see? The graph line is vertical.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

Do you expect to see a sharp drop of the data line? As in 1944?

Not realistic, could even be catastrophic.

The best we can expect is a gradual, continuous decline in the national debt over the next decade.

By then the republicans could gain back control and blow it all up again.

The pattern is clear, under republican leadership my country fall into debt.





creekboy

Voodoo economics?

Wow... you really had to get into the "Way-back Machine" to pull that one off the shelf.

Russ' analysis was right on.

But the GOP is Dem-Lite now - and will remain the minority until it gets its collective fiscal head out of its butt.

BTW - why do you think that website has failed to update the graph since February?

You know the answer...


It makes sense!
“while the U.S. is regressing to the failed socialist model of Old Europe. This makes no sense.”
Yes it makes sense if you see it through my perception of the New World Order. See my post on Dan Kennedy’s “Obama’s Climate of Fear”.
With today’s genetic alterations techniques, the New Man can be “created” in test tubes, controlled by a World Supreme Scientific Community.
If a freedom loving Alaskan, true-to-her word woman, with proven leadership qualities and responsible governance (she STEPPED DOWN, she wasn’t “ousted”!) can be so universally hated and despised (by both liberals and conservatives), than this world deserves the New World Order.
Welcome to the “future”!

Creekboy et al

My personal analysis (much to lengthy to post on TH) and most of it based in 'Geek Mathematics) show that both Republicans and Democrats are almost equally to blame.

I could argue pretty convincingly that Republicans are 60% and Democrats are 40% to blame.

I could also argue pretty convincingly that Democrats are 60% and Republicans are 40% to blame.

We actually have a third party although NOT called such or recognized by most Americans, that are 'Progressives' or actually some strain of Socialism which has affected both Democrats and Republicans and those combined forces are actually in charge, although George Bush was contaminated by that group and influenced by them, Barack Obama is absorbed in the Progressive movement.

This is NOT some kind of conspiracy in my mind at least, but a 'Political Virus' in computer terms.

The Virus must be detected and eliminated.

One doesn't delete eMail for example, one deletes the virus affecting eMail and restores the system back to its original state.

Loyal Democrat
One of if not you’re best! I bow to you like Obama bowing to Saudi King.


Then there's the BIRTH CERTIFICATE...
When the truth comes out about Obama being foreign-born, that may well be the moment when Obama explodes and tries to declare martial law.
I am quite sure that Obama will not voluntarily step down when his massive fraud ( a.k.a., coup d'etat ) against the American people finally comes to light. If the Congress and Supreme Court fail to remove Obama at that point, there will be violence in the streets. The only questions remaining then will be, "How will the American military react?" and "Does Obama have his brownshirts ( civilian military ) in place yet?"

Creekboy et al

I am not interested in your graph - not even interested to view it much less analyze it.

You are trying to prove something I probably do not disagree with.

You assume I am a Republican - I am a registered Independent.

I already know that the Democrats and the Republicans are responsible for the mess that America is in today.

Having those who created the mess try and fix it, very rarely works.

Every one in Washington starting with Barack Obama and all of Congress, with very rare exceptions needs to be fired.

I posted an outline earlier today about my methodology - I have applied that in over 100 Corporations World wide and have NEVER solved any problems by studying past history and assigning blame.

Anyone who analyzes our current financial fiasco that has problem solving skills, already knows both parties are to blame.

America needs to go back to the founding concept of a 'Constitutional Republic' and strip out all of the BS that both sides have added (especially but not exclusive to Liberals) fire all that are currently in office and hit the restart button.

Russ...

What was going on in congress in 1981 and 2001?

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Both times, supply side, voodoo economics.

The correction in the 90s had a lot to do with H.W. Bush trying to bring the graph in control.

The republicans never forgave him for that.




Retired Geek
I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the Obama psyche. The bottom line, in my opinion, is what you mentioned when you said...

"Barack Obama is a virtual ‘Time Bomb’ waiting to explode into tantrum equivalent to a two-year-old child when he is questioned or told NO."

I believe that explosion will take the form of a declaration of martial law and an attempt to do something draconian, such as confiscating all civilian weapons and/or setting up concentration camps for the "incorrigible" who oppose him. With opposition growing in his own party among the "blue dogs", we may see this explosion sooner than later!

Keep your powder dry!

creekboy

That's an easy one.

FDR... and now the graph over Obama's name is almost vertical (through Feb. 27, 2009).

Wonder what it's going to look like when it's revised to reflect the last 4-1/2 months.

Is there anything worse than vertical???

Obama 's Putting Us In Greater Debt !

Public Debt: Total National Debt :
Upon Inaugeration:
$6,307,310,739,681 $10,626,877,048,913

As of 2009-07-09 : $7,181,012,709,230 $11,526,304,058,826

Increased : $873,701,969,549 $899,427,009,913

Had Enough Yet ?

Tea Party Rebellion !

Defend Your Children !