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Wednesday, January 14, 2009
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pink Slips Du Jour
by Kathleen Parker
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NEW YORK -- At Sarabeth's restaurant on Central Park South, two young old friends are catching up and comparing notes over breakfast.

Anyone seated nearby quickly learns the story. They met in graduate school; both hold MBAs. Both recently have joined the swelling ranks of America's unemployed.

Their shared tales, if once unthinkable, are becoming increasingly familiar. First, blue-collar jobs disappeared. Now white collars are fading. The young and briefly affluent, accustomed to earning more than $75,000, suddenly have time on their hands, the latest victims of the current economic crunch.

Now what?

The young woman has some consulting work "kind of lined up." Her severance package is too high to qualify for unemployment, and she's not sure how long her funds will last. She might head home to visit her dad, whom she hasn't seen in a year -- "too busy." Or, she always wanted to drive cross-country.

Her male companion, similarly laid off, is freelancing real estate development projects, but looking for a permanent job.

Something has gone terribly wrong with the American dream. No longer is a college degree -- or even an advanced degree -- a guarantee of employment or job security. Suddenly, there seem to be an awful lot of "consultants" floating around, lingering longer than usual over coffee because there's no office to get back to.

My 28-year-old niece, with whom I am staying (the rate is unbeatable), is similarly and suddenly "consulting" -- mostly through the want ads on MediaBistro and Craigslist these days. The magazine for which she's been a marketing strategist is suffering financial woes and has had to cut several positions, including hers.

"Consulting" and "freelancing" are old euphemisms for a new demographic, the upscale terms for "outta work." Down on their luck, these newbies to the unemployment lines aren't living paycheck to paycheck. "We're living gig to gig," says my niece.

How many consultants can dine on the dime of a tanking economy?

A new poll by Tina Brown's Daily Beast and Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates confirms that the Sarabeth's pair and my niece are not isolated anecdotes, but are part of a trend no one would have imagined a few years ago. "Gigonomics," Brown calls it.

The poll, conducted online among 500 employed Americans over 18, found that a third are working as freelancers or in two jobs. Of those who call themselves freelancers, 58 percent previously had a staff position with the company for which they're now doing "gigs."

This not-so-rosy scenario raises questions for which there are no ready answers. How long will it last? What if ... they can't find even temp work?

The Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2008 year-end report shows unemployment increases across the board -- all ages, races and job categories. In December, the number of people involuntarily working part-time for economic reasons reached 8 million, a rise of 3.4 million over the past 12 months.

My niece, whose persistence and hard work have produced a resume suggesting a much older person, figures she has a few weeks before she'll have to give up her studio apartment. The girl who put herself through college waiting tables -- and bought herself a Gucci watch to celebrate her first job in the Big Apple -- now asks herself: "Do I want to spend $2 on the subway or walk 30 minutes?"

It's chilly out there.

On the bright side, the wired generation is dealing with their recession-depression creatively. "Pink Slips Are The New Black" is the name of a blog created last November where visitors are invited to post their pink slips in exchange for "solidarity and support from your fellow laid-off professionals." There's a "pink slip party" video on YouTube featuring job recruiters (who wear green glowing bracelets) and job seekers (pink bracelets.)

If you gotta be broke, you might as well be cool about it. The newest fashion is "recession chic," which means last year's clothes get recycled. Ramen noodle potlucks served with Two Buck Chuck have replaced pasta and champagne dinners.

Doubtless, less fortunate, more-experienced members of the unemployed class are dry-eyed as they ponder the travails of laid-off MBAs and magazine marketers. But when that college education no longer pays off -- and the instant-gratification generation is counting change for the train -- we may be in for a longer haul than anyone cares to admit.

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Finally....you did NOT.....
blast Sarah Palin in word or innuendo......thanks for that.....you must be sober today! BTW: Good Article...(at last)

"But when that college education no longer pays off -- and the instant-gratification generation is counting CHANGE for the train -- we may be in for a longer haul than anyone cares to admit."

Yes we can..and that's "change you can believe in".....lmao.....

Maybe
Someone wrote this for Parker. I find it difficult to believe that she could write a column herself and not include a single denigration of Sarah Palin.

Just Because It Isn't About Palin . . .
. . . doesn't mean that Kathleen isn't wrong.

"Something has gone terribly wrong with the American dream. No longer is a college degree -- or even an advanced degree -- a guarantee of employment or job security."
-- Since when was that EVER the case? How long has the joke about someone w/ a degree working at McDonald's been around? Sorry that I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you, Parker, but guaranteed job security does not exist in our NON-socialist state.

"My 28-year-old niece, with whom I am staying (the rate is unbeatable)"
-- Freeloader!

"What if ... they can't find even temp work?"
-- What if . . . they lower their standards and take whatever they can get in order to have a paycheck coming in?

"My niece, whose persistence and hard work have produced a resume suggesting a much older person, figures she has a few weeks before she'll have to give up her studio apartment."
-- And then YOU will be out on the street; hence, the reason for this article. Pleading for a personal bailout from the president-elect are we?

"But when that college education no longer pays off -- and the instant-gratification generation is counting change for the train -- we may be in for a longer haul than anyone cares to admit."
-- Because blue-collar jobs are always lost first? Elitist snob!

Pink slips?
Why haven't you got one KP?

Oh, that's right. You did a clever about face and convinced your media masters of your chameleon-like qualities.

As to feeling sorry for those 'consulting' MBA's - don't make me barf.

Ask them what the free market is and they'll tell you it's lobbying the government to waste the competition.

Their 'consulting' most likely amounts to describing the ethically challenged short cuts and dirty tricks they acquired and used while providing the names of a few cultivated quasi-legal contacts.

I'm sure that plenty of them will be looking for work with the Oblahma administration - after all, he said he was going to create millions of jobs. Politics? That's merely sucking up to the 'ins'.

Then they can all write copious, verbose emails to each other while practicing the art of cutting each others' throats. Isn't that what our government dominated 'service' economy degenerated into?

My dad graduated in 1932
from Penn State. Until he got a job connected with the Manhattan Project, he usually had 2 jobs, usually selling something on commission. He told me to get an engineering degree, He said when you can build something somebody needs, you always have a job. He was right. Now all those folks with expensive degrees in black studies, marine biology, tv production, political science, journalism and other areas where the supply far outstrips the demand are paying for their decision. Good engineers, good doctors and nurses can always get some job somewhere. They used to come to the USA. Its conceivable they may soon be going somewhere else.

Pink Slip for KP
This woman is so frivolous and insipid that whatever she writes is senseless and irrelevant.

For how long TH will put up with this woman?
Give her the pink slip!

College Degrees
Yeah, right. Perhaps Kat could do a review of the movie/documentary "Idoctrinate U."

Colleges and Universities have grown fat and useless - in many courses of study: Women's Studies and Ethnic Studies are breeding grounds for resentment, and for entitlement. If they had existed during Vietnam, they would have existed for deferment.

Journalism majors are gaining nothing these days, when the word "ethics" is as evident as a New York Times writer's soul.

English as a major has become chock full-o-nuts, a sorry, angst-ridden filled with social activists like Grant Farred and other Dukies who thought it was wonderful to lynch three white-boys. The new racism, a la carte.

Even the sciences have become political - in a different sense of the word - as the anti-hoaxers who refused to believe the myth of "lactic acid" were pilloried and dismissed as hacks. And eventually proven right.

A lot of us are.

As our higher education goes, so goes our nation. It is has become a rectal thermometer for our national temperature.

when there's nothing left to outsource
It is true we have far too many law and MBA grads, along with those in trendy social issues areas.

Science and engineering degrees are far more academically challenging than MBA or law degrees, but it is probably harder to outsource business and law skills than science and engineering skills.

Many U.S. companies are outsourcing both intellectual and physical capital to India and China, and an Indian or Chinese engineer can be hired for much less money than his U.S. counterpart.

Some of the same boy-wonders with their MBA degrees that charted the destruction of our financial industry, also had a hand in outsourcing science and engineering jobs overseas.

Got to give them credit.

They managed to wreck our finanicial industry as well as erode our preeminence in science and engineering(thru outsourcing).

What a business model.

Spoiled brats
So sorry those precious little overeducated chillin' are having to look for work. What kind of IDIOTS, LADY, borrow tens of thousands of dollars thinking that there is a guaranteed job somewhere over the rainbow? God you are dumb.

This redneck conservative bigot, with his Ph.D. and law degree, actually thought twice about borrowing tens of thousands of dollars on "higher education." Earned his way through. So I am qualified to call these urchin relatives of yours whining brats.

I am sure she will have a job once somebody reads your column and contacts her. Rather transparent, Ms. Parker. Poor baby. At least she has a hypocritical aunt along for the ride to do her job "Search" for her.

jerebaub
Jobs are not out-sourced. Capital is out-sourced. Money goes where it gets the best return, always has, always will. The folks in government who raised the cost of doing business, the parasitic trial lawyers, the tax code that makes it profitable to move assets overseas are at the root of the flight of capital. Naturally, jobs follow capitol. A man with a bulldozer moves more dirt than a man with a shovel, so he can earn more money. But some investor had to buy him the bulldozer.

Pink Slip Incoming!
Duck KP... or NOT!

Pink Slip Incoming!
Duck KP... or NOT!



Meanwhile, Sarah Palin has a job and your's is "Go, Going, Gone"!

Kathleen
Go away. Just go away.

No Time to Feel Sorry for Yourself
It sounds like the young folks you talk about need to ditch the pity-parties and go for a change of soul. May I suggest the Peace Corps? Quite worthwhile - they will teach you a new language and how to rough it.

Those blackberry-twinkling brats you talk about might need more drastic treatment, though. Hint: There are Army and Marine Recruiting offices in every major city.

And serve them right
Generation Whine is finally learning the lesson the rest of us, hardworking adults who are not their parents, have been trying to teach them for many years: YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. Youse aint immune to the vagaries of the marketplace. We who are wearing clothes from 2001 are not crying over your necessity to wear Last Years Clothes, and we could teach you to cook if you asked us -- nourishing, low-cost meals that would surprise you.

And by the way, when the good times return, we teach you not to believe Friends is a documntary,and to buy your five-figure watches after taking a tour of the local pawnshop to see what kind of investment you are making.

I came out of university in 1970 right into the middle of the Nixon Recession with 79 million of my cohort. I took a job doing court reporter transcriptions for 50 cents a page. I had no marketable skills save typing and I made the most of it. Today I have a recession-proof career and should I lose this particular job I can work as a legal temp for $28.00 per hour until someone offers me full time work again.

Grow Up, Generation Whine. This recession is just exactly what you need.

White is the new Blue
In order to sustain white collar jobs, the loss of which seems to give such surprise, a company must actually make a product that produces revenue greater than the cost of support staff.

Before retiring some years ago, I worked for two major US heavy equipment manufacturers (not GE). One "consolidated" operations and leased most of the factory to a distribution company. The other was purchased by an overseas competitor who subsequently moved operations to expanding step-sister plants overseas.

"Consultants" blossomed along with the economy of the day, but since they didn't all reside in one tiny village called Manhattan, they didn't earn their own term - "gigonomics."

If what you see comes as a surprise, you haven't been paying attention. This "phenomenon" is not new, it's just now under your nose.

For example, to see a GE heavy industrial transformer being built, you'll need to drive beyond the old US plant and head to to Monterrey, Mexico? Jack the genius made money for the investors and produced many "consultants." Some of them got work arranging the import of the product they used to manufacture.

For years, youngsters have been encouraged to avoid the trades and "get an education." Even highly trained manufacturing jobs, once held with pride were looked down upon. But the "trades" became expendable, "dime a dozen" and identified by that blue collar material made to be worn year after year. Your niece is learning that White is simply the new Blue.

I wish I could encourage youngsters to get a blue collar job to ride out the tough economy, but there just aren't that many to go around. I suspect the fault of that lies with you and I.

my two cents
Times like these build character, or they show whether you have it or not.

BooHoo
As they say in my circle which is not the latte sipping champagne and imported cheeses...tough! that this woman has the guts to write a stupid piece about "privileged brats having a hard time" is insulting! Those people du Jour have to become everyday people. Maybe then they will consider people, ordinary people, like Sarah Palin, worthy of attention. Walk a mile in her shoes and see just how petty of those "preppies elites, elitists get a shove into the reality of what we all know to be LIFE"

Reality sets in
This problem is multi-faceted.

First, the aforementioned education issue. You don't need a degree to turn wrenches at a car repair garage or maintain a building. But the people who are earning degrees today have rarely ever done jobs like that and by the time they get laid off from their white-collar jobs, they are beyond their prime for learning these trades.

Second, our economic policies are not conducive to bringing the means of production back to the United States. Our tax code is so laden with fees and penalties that employers and producers would rather move the factories across the borders where the production can take place more cheaply. I seriously doubt we are going to do anything to change that.

Third, many of those getting laid off are not merely just victims of the economy. They are also victims of their own choices in life. If the economy is good for people who have Interior Design degrees, then there will be a trend showing more students studying Interior Design. But, if within a few years there is no longer a large demand for such people, then all those people who hold those degrees will find themselves losing work or finding their paychecks getting smaller.

That last item may actually be the most important here. My father once told me that it is better to generalize than to specialize. He was right. Ever since I was a teenager, I made sure that my education and work experiences encompassed multiple job disciplines. I also made sure that whenever I had the opportunity for any kind of job training that it was training for a job that will always be in demand.

As such, I worked as a lifeguard when I was a teenager and today I am a Network Engineer. I had no problem finding swimming pools that needed to be staffed back then and today, I can go almost anywhere and there will be a need for people who can build and maintain computer networks.

Such is the lessons that the younger generation is now having to learn.

Ha...
As a health-care professional in the business for 23+ years, I fail to see the importance of having a "pedigree" hanging on the wall, i.e. Ivy League education, master's degree, and etc. You see, I graduated from a vo-tech school in Radiologic Technology and make more money than some of those Ivy League graduates.

My opinion is that there is way too much emphasis on elite education: partly because I know people who are unemployed or are flipping hamburgers at McDonald's.

Vo-tech education offers THE most bang for your buck and jobs are almost always readilt accessible.

Employment elimination?
Nobody in academia is yet teaching for the coming time when the word employment will only be used with the prefix of self! Why would anyone with an idea to provide a product or a service want to conform to the U.S. ideal of labor law that is to protect workers from exploitation?

The cost of conformity is only tolerable if the ROI is very much higher than usual. It is better to sell on the web, make it elsewhere and hire only consultants, contract providers or franchisees.

Protected classes, ie., teachers, government workers and a few still part of a dying part of union killing something are seemingly exempt, but are they? What happens when students don't come, when tax revenues disappear?

The U.S. is on the way to this scenario and no amount of pump priming will change it, only exacerbate the problems with printed money that has no value added behind it.

kathleen still has a job !
so that means there is hope for all of us normal folks!

Boo F**King HOOOOOO
They need to grow up and learn their little spoiled tushies aren't special like the liberal teachers taught them THEY ARE....

LIFE IS NOT PC .... (POLITICALLY CORRECT)

MS PARKER...GET A GRIP...BE GONE!

Keep writing Kath
It is entertaining to hear the Beagles howl like they got their tails stuck in the door. Just because you aren't singing in tune with the choir is no reason not to sing loud.
Lots of folks I would have thought lived in tougher skins are howling about your lively prose of late.
I like a writer who challenges the dicta and dogma now and then. I might think you've let your beer go flat but what's the big deal.

The kids will cope. We did. When their blogs and such get boring they'll move to something else. They better get a start on retraining now. I think this mess is gonna last awhile longer than the experts say. Remember, these are the same experts that just a year ago, nay 5 months ago were telling us the economy was ok except for a few isolated segements. They don't know squat. They just dress pretty and get paid too much to spew drivel in public.
A 28 year old who trains in some wrench turnin' trade would be about 32 at the end of training. That leaves them with 36 years or more to work and now they have two areas of expertise. Get crackin', kids.

Miss Parker...,
The universe has a way of righting itself.

The "Greed is good" mantra, and the tenet that a college degree is a magic wand is kaput.

As Bette said long ago,"Fasten your seatbelt.It's going to be a bumpy ride."

"College degrees" . . .
are required by many employers because aptitude tests have been outlawed by the EEOC. (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission)
This ban on testing has a downside. Otherwise qualified people without that "piece of paper" degree are automatically SHUT OUT. This is a disservice to employers as well as the qualified individual.
I took advantage of a two year electrical engineering program at a proprietary (private) school in the early 1970's. There were no "fluff" courses. Graduates from this program were in HIGH DEMAND because employers KNEW that they would "hit the ground running" and provide value to the company. It is a shame that today, I would have a problem even getting "my foot in the door" for an interview for not having that "piece of paper".

What the ?
Where did people get this idea that going to college guaranteed a job? Getting a college degree, especially in a field of study not linked to a career (Archeology or Linguistics) is wholly unrelated to work. Attending college is a privilege, not a right. Its purpose is the mastering of a field of study. Call me old-fashioned, but the ability to study and learn something is its own reward.

Unlike some of the other posters, I do feel badly for anyone out of work regardless of age. Let's not blame those kids, let's blame Congress and most of all, let's blame global corporations headed by "me first, gimme gimme gimme" Boomers (yeah, you read that right) who've partnered well with Congress to completely destroy the manufacturing base and many other sectors of the economy.

I read about people like Peter Kraus (the former Merrill Lynch EVP who received millions in severance for a few months' work) and I wonder where the outrage is over this lack of any integrity or restraint - the greedy little so and so! Excuse me for taking a different tack, but if there is a generation to castigate, and a generation known well for it's self-absorption and greed, it's BABY BOOMERS!

economic dislocation.
I have read that due to the economic turmoil affecting most of the world, China now is confronted with huge numbers of idled workers, on account of reduction in demand in the U.S. for products made in China.

Chinese law enforcement authorities have had to break up groups of unemployed workers on her streets, fearing they may become unruly.

China has a vested interest, for now anyway, for the United States to continue buying her products..an interest in our consumer driven economy.

If that does not happen, China may be forced to stop buying our debt(treasury bonds)which would place us in a real pickle, and instead use that money for huge government projects to employ her rising number of idled workers...for economic dislocation can lead to political unrest.

Over time, I would like to see the U.S. produce more, and for China to consume more of our goods.

Jobs for the rich.
You people get what you deserve. Your the ones fell in love with Obama and voted for him in droves wanting CHANGE. Now change is all you got. Ha Ha!

Is MBA Really an Advanced Degree?
One can track many things along with the decline of the US economy. One of those things is the MBA. It's what everyone gets who can't seem to settle on a productive advanced degree. Somehow the tragedy of unemployed neo-yuppies seems banal. They should have banked their bonuses for a rainy day.

Who's 'off' first
I love ready Ms. Parker's columns. In reference to "Layoffs Du Jour", I have found that actually White collar workers (office personnel if you will), are let go BEFORE the blue collar workers.

I have also found that the press highlights the 'Blue Collar' layoffs, but usually barely mentions the white collar layoffs.

Alan Rose

WAIT A MINUTE!
ACORN Hussein Obama, The ACORN Acolyte, will fix EVERYTHING by the end of January according to Liberals.

As for the subject of the article, let the Gutless, Over Educated, Spoiled, Brats LEARN some things not taught in Elitist Liberal Universities, Common Sense, Character and Toughness.

Customary
one check mark for Parker. I see Parker is on a roll.

Parker is right - this time
This is not Ms. Parker ranting about Palin; she's merely commenting on the economic situation and how younger and highly educated people are now facing tough times. Don't read her column and trash her just because she once (okay, maybe 20 times) wrote something you didn't agree with. With Obama in office, I venture we'll start to read LOTS of columns like this from varying authors. Give credit where credit is due...

look for a job, as someone is inventing

The most important factor in establishing your self in a profession, is to be looking for a job just when someone has, or is in the process of inventing an exciting new profession.

At age 16, in 1944, I talked to an IBM salesman as we ate lunch. A few years later I had the opportunity to visit inside an IBM room (filled with IBM accounting machines), and in 1950 when recalled into the Army for the Korean war, I had the opportunity to work in the IBM room. With the office key in my hand, I spent evenings and weekends learning all I could.

Within a couple of years I was at the RAND Corp, teaching rooms full of PhDs what that computer was, and how to use it.

I was off the payroll at age 50, and with Real Estate investments here and there, My Most Beautiful Sweetie and I traveled the world.

All because I was looking at the same time someone was inventing.


Gestell
Listen I also taught my kids to get a higher education and they all graduated university. this didnt make them feel that they were "entitled" or made the believe they were elite. They know that a Job, whichever you have be it chimmeney sweeper or Corporate CEO is noble as long as you WORK hard at it, and not because you feel it will land on your lap as part of a presumptive sense of belonging to the right circle, going to school with the right type or being born to it.

Degree worthless?
let me understand this, companies are led off the cliff by useless and incompetent executives are laying off other college educated idiots that weren't able to stop them. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the idiots that have caused much of our countries economic problems?

If these graduates can earn their keep freelancing as consultants while living in the real world for a while, they may be better off for it long term. Ivory towers can't prepare anyone like the world of hard knocks.

reply to Mrs Ramsey
It's odd that you think Ms. Parker's niece thinks she's a member of some sort of "elite" by virtue of her degree and former salary. I've sent one daughter through college and now she works two part-time jobs, one more or less in her field, the other not, 7 days/week. And she has lots of friends doing similar things. Elite? Not hardly. I have another daughter who's in her sophomore year. Who knows how things will look when she graduates?

Wht you and most TH readers don't get is that for a very long time a college degree (in almost anything) got people onto career paths that led 'upward' with more money. It is this expectation that is now questionable. Will people, including my kids, adjust to the new world? Yes, as will yours, but there's no need to muddy the issue by prattling about "elites."

Nice
I'm used to hearing such an entitlement mentality from the underclass, but I must say it's a nice change-up hearing it from the upper eschalon. I guess the alternative is that your niece et al. work for the government, where a job is pretty much guarranteed forever.

Maybe one positive thing coming our way is that people and businesses will reconsider many of these nonsense degrees that cost $100,000 to get...with the stupid notion that this is an expense which will ensure future empoloyment over the poorer fools who can't afford such a degree.

My sympathies go out to the people you write about, but I also can't help but think, "Welcome to the real world."

Mrs Ramsey
Where in Ms. Parker's column does she suggest these young people losing their jobs didn't work hard to get an education and then work hard to advance in their chosen fields? I hope for your kids' sake that if they lose their jobs they don't receive the same vile treatment that you like to dish out to others that you don't know.
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From Mrs Ramsey:
BooHoo
As they say in my circle which is not the latte sipping champagne and imported cheeses...tough! that this woman has the guts to write a stupid piece about "privileged brats having a hard time" is insulting! Those people du Jour have to become everyday people. Maybe then they will consider people, ordinary people, like Sarah Palin, worthy of attention. Walk a mile in her shoes and see just how petty of those "preppies elites, elitists get a shove into the reality of what we all know to be LIFE"

Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
(aka) Caligula famously put his horse in the Roman Senate to prove that they were so useless and irrelevant that his horse would be just as good a senator as any of them. Today that would also be true.

As for Kathleen we now see WHICH end of the horse we're hearing from now don't we?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Notice the so called
degrees these people claim to have. MBA, and parkers niece was in marketing i.e. someone else with a useless bought degree. Shame these young fools didn't get a real degree in science or engineering something that would benefit society and give them a real skill at something usefull.

These young fools are the reason jobs are going overseas and the jobs remanding in the USA are going to imagrants.

Instead of a degree that required they learn something and work hard they wanted the free ride their parents and fools like parker have told them they are due.

CA and Gestell
I agreed with the two of you that there is sadness for those of us who put kids through school and they are now having to hold two jobs or just a single lower paying job. The point is they ARE working they are being productive, that's a pat and big kudos in the back of the both of you who taught them that good study habits a great education and good work habits would eventually pay...this situation will not last forever, she will turn around and realize that when times were hard, she had the grit to come through it on her own.
Ms. Parker begins her "tale" as follows:
At Sarabeth's restaurant on Central Park South, two young old friends are catching up and comparing notes over breakfast.
Anyone seated nearby quickly learns the story. They met in graduate school; both hold MBAs. Both recently have joined the swelling ranks of America's unemployed.
Their shared tales, if once unthinkable, are becoming increasingly familiar. First, blue-collar jobs disappeared. Now white collars are fading. The young and briefly affluent, accustomed to earning more than $75,000, suddenly have time on their hands, the latest victims of the current economic crunch.

sigh, it speak of leisure and people who "lunch"


Better than almost any college degree is
a government job. Unless you are going to become an over pampered, overpaid, over perked, over pensioned teacher, in the long term you would probably be better off starting off as a toilet licker in a prison than becoming say an engineer or an MBA. The licker will have job security, loads of time off, regular raises, perks up the butt and a nice fat pension and lifetime healthcare. The college boys (like me) will have nothing.

Cry me a river
not to be mean, but seriously there are people who have been working two and three jobs for years or dangerous and dirty jobs

white collar workers never seemed to concerned about the loss of blue collar jobs, but when it hits the priviledged children of the upper middle class it's a real crisis

When I graduated from undegrad we were in a recession and my peers and I took jobs as retail clerks, waitresses, and low or no pay internships. Many of us worked two full-time jobs at minimum wage. These few years of underemployment or reduced pay in so-called "real" jobs put us all behind in terms of earnings for years (we had a lot of catching up to do)

This all being said we all somehow muddled through payed for grad school, established careers, bought houses, had families, etc.

I think we should all think more about people for whom underemployment and unemployment are not temporary but rather a permanent diminishment of life choices and outcomes.



Greetings
For any interested, we have a chatroom for conservatives to hang out and chat with other conservatives.

the url is:

http://www.fundmental.com/thchat.php

Go there and click on register and then follow the instructions, and we'll see you there.

Trolls are also welcome to visit, mostly cause it's fun to be able to give y'all the big boot out the door.

Cabinet select
President-elect Obama, cabinet need overhauling as a matter of fact they should be fired by the Senate before they hold one meeting together. This is a sad situation when violations by prospective department directors that would cost everyone else in the department their jobs.
So much for change, transparentcy, and all the promises that president-elect promised.

It has happened before
"No longer is a college degree -- or even an advanced degree -- a guarantee of employment or job security."

I don't think Miss Parker is old enough to remember when we found this out in 1968 - 72. I got out of the military in 1970 when engineers were a dime a dozen. Everyone was amazed at how a college grad couldn't find a job.

ca
"From Mrs Ramsey:
BooHoo
As they say in my circle which is not the latte sipping champagne and imported cheeses...tough! that this woman has the guts to write a stupid piece about "privileged brats having a hard time" is insulting! Those people du Jour have to become everyday people. Maybe then they will consider people, ordinary people, like Sarah Palin, worthy of attention. Walk a mile in her shoes and see just how petty of those "preppies elites, elitists get a shove into the reality of what we all know to be LIFE""


I have to agree with this. Ms. Parker just can't help letting her elitism show. Apparently the parents of these people never taught them to do what it takes to make it in this world, and if that means digging ditches then so be it.

The dream is doing fine
Kathleen bemoans that: "Something has gone terribly wrong with the American dream. No longer is a college degree -- or even an advanced degree -- a guarantee of employment or job security."

Her problem, like that of many liberals, is a failure to understand what the American dream is. The American dream is not about a guarantee of financial success or a permanent job. The American dream is not about paid health-care or mandatory sick leave. The American dream is not even a nice house with 2 cars and a white picket fence.

The American dream is that each person is able to achieve whatever they can based on their own talents, ambition, and hard work. The American dream means no false restrictions based on family heritage, standing, or titles of nobility. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF SUCCESS.

I've lived in several countries and visited more. I can tell you that this dream is more rare than we realize. In many developed countries students are tested into different types of schools at a young age. Failing to get into the right junior high or high school can prohibit that person from ever going to college or becoming certain types of professionals.

I am grateful for my own American dream. I grew up in a very poor household, with good parents who would never be able to pay my way through college. I got married at 19, and we started having kids right away. In many countries, this would have locked me into a low paying job for life. However, I was able to use hard work and the G.I. Bill to work my way through law school. Now I'm preparing to go back into the Army in February to start my career as a JAG.

For me, my American dream has been realized regardless of any economic problems that may come or go. I have been blessed to be able to make the most of my life, without arbitrary restrictions based on family or economic background. That is the American dream.

Ms. Parker
In the mean time while you lament the woes of the jobless white collar workers realize that Obama has targeted his tax cuts at the no collar non workers.

Perhaps when you are done denigrating Palin you can explain to everyone how this is going to help the economy in any way, shape, or form.

Matthew
"The American dream is that each person is able to achieve whatever they can based on their own talents, ambition, and hard work. The American dream means no false restrictions based on family heritage, standing, or titles of nobility. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF SUCCESS."


Unless of course you are a Kennedy.


Kudos to you and your post and for showing everyone what the American Dream truly is. Congratulations!

Matthew
I echo Lolo1 sentiments, as an army wife I wish you the best, keep your head high, protect your life as you protect ours. soon and I have come to realize through my husband's commitment to duty you will get to defend other people's foolish notions, and their freedom to speak about them for that's what you'll be, a defender of Freedom. As my husband would say HUAHH!!! my heart expresses THANKS! may God bless and keep you and yours safe.

American Dream Oversold
Yes, it is VERY hard to feel sympathy for unemployed MBA's. The holders of that degree are too many times the cause of all the economic problems we have today. The arrogant little so-and-so's knew lots of theory - but they never had hands-on experience to back it up. They also pursued the degree because of the eggregious starting salaries offered by the investment banks, brokerages, and all the other financial institutions - the same ones that are collapsing now and which were the root causes for the collapse of the overall economy.

The so-called American Dream - pull yourself up with hard work and education - is the myth. The handful who have been able to go the elite schools because of family wealth or connections are the ones who who enjoy the material benefits. It's connections that get you ahead - and trump any advanced education if the degree doesn't have the right school's name on it. Our elites always liked to poke fun at the British "Oxbridge" tradition where graduates of only a handful of elite schools ever got into the positions of power, influence and money. Hell, today America is ten times worse and has the international reputation of now being the most economically stratified society of any in the developed world. Some "dream" isn't it.

hey Wolfgang
guess I'm a myth since I pull myself up with hard work and education. My Grandfather dropped out of school in 6th grade to go to work in the coal mines to support a family of 7 after his father was killed in a mine. My father dropped out before reaching high school to work in the steel mills. They had no pull to get me into an elite university and certainly had no wealth to buy me a degree. I worked my way as a field hand, truck driver, and a miner to get a good engineering degree from a state university and took course at night to while working to get an advance degree in engineering. I've worked hard and studied hard and made good by following the rules and doing to the right way the American way. Yes it is some dream if fools like you can't see it its because you're to busy feeling sorry for yourself because you think hard work is beneath you and the country owes you something.

asdf
"The newest fashion is "recession chic," which means last year's clothes get recycled. Ramen noodle potlucks served with Two Buck Chuck have replaced pasta and champagne dinners."

One thing is evident from your article: You don't get out much and/or know many young people.

Richard - Yes Today You Are a Myth
Congratulations on your achievement, Richard - but you're the exception, not the rule. Especially today higher education is no longer the potential equalizer for the "little guy." Howso? Thr "dumbing down" of higher education - grade inflation, "fluff" curricula like ethnic and gender studies programs, etc. Even at vaunted Harvard recent studies have shown abusive grade inflation where three-quarters of the undergrads get "A's" in their courses. Are they all that smart? Hardly - but the instructors and professors don't want bad critiques when the students evaluate the courses. Further reinforcing this is that many human resources departments in an ever increasing number of businesses are refusing to even consider graduates of certain colleges and universities because of the grade inflation, "political correctness" course content, etc. That's a real iron poker up the rear end for the kid who doesn't have the family connections - and just reinforces my point that ever increasingly it is who you know and not what you know that determines your share of the so-called American Dream.

Seems you are missing the point
wolfgang its not hardwork or education that is the problems. Its the fact that the majortiy of Americans and university students are avoiding hardwork in exchange to meaningless degrees in business and the social sciences. Note that Imagrants who study engineering, math, science, chemmistry, or any of the hard sciences are having no problem finding getting and keeping high paying joys. Note also that the university you are talking about are not known for their hard science degrees but for degrees in the useless social sceinces and business.

However this in not new 35 years ago when I was at university the joke in the engineering department was what is the most important question the history graduate will ever ask the engineering graduate? Want fries with that? We changed history to what ever soft science degree the poor fool was getting his degree in. You can go back 100 years and see the same thing British upper class use to say how they had a university degree so were incompetant at any usefull subject.

You Cheapskate
Pay your niece some rent, help her out.

elitism
"Ms. Parker just can't help letting her elitism show. Apparently the parents of these people never taught them to do what it takes to make it in this world, and if that means digging ditches then so be it."

"sigh, it speak of leisure and people who "lunch""
--------------------------

So, going to breakfast with friends in the neighborhood in which one lives means you are an elitist? Have you never met friends for lunch in order to catch up? If it is at the Cracker Barrel in Akron, Ohio is it ok or are you still an elitist?

This anti-intellectualism and elitist issue that conservative have going on is quite disturbing. Nowhere in Parker's column did she say these people didn't work hard to get where they're at. She didn't say they all went to college on their parents' dime (and so what if they did as long as they worked hard and appreciated it and used that education to help achieve their goals) and she specifically said that each in her column appears to be working multiple jobs and trying to figure out how to find work and make money in their fields of choice in this economy. Finally, for those that have made comments about Parker staying with her niece at her apartment, why do you find it objectionable for someone to stay with their family when visiting a city? Is quality family time suddenly elitist too?

the column
It seems most of you are not seeing the point of Parker's column. She is not saying "please feel sorry for these unemployed people with graduate degrees". She is pointing out that what has traditionally been a means of improving one's life financially is no longer necessarily a ticket to better financial security. There is a lot of talk on here about how if only these people with degrees had picked up a trade like car mechanics or something, then they'd be ok. Well, yes, that might be true but why does that mean it's bad that some people go to school to get white collar jobs? Are there any people on here that come from blue collar families whose parents worked really hard to send their kids to college so that they would have the option to be white collar workers if they desire that? Is that a bad thing? It seems to me that that used to be part of the American Dream (and I think this concept of getting an education to be better off than your parents' generation is an fits into Matthew's definition of the American Dream). The truth of the matter is that what helps one reach and maintain financial security in our society is changing. To be in the generation that straddles two different times can be difficult because when they began their adulthoods they were working under one set of assumptions and now those assumptions don't necessarily apply. This is not to say we should feel pity for those people but empathy is probably appropriate. Assuming they are elitists doesn't really help much.

Anne you must be very very young
It seems you know nothing about what it was like to live under President carter, Talk about hard times, high unemployement, then add in high inflation that was a real bad economy not like what we have today. The rate under carter was over 9% today its less that 7%. Plus we had gas rationing, to go with those unemployment rates. In the mid 1960's it was even worst. Only the very young and uninformed things things are the worst than they were just a few years ago.

They made bad choices
because they wanted something for nothing or for at least very little effort. University are begging for students in the science and engineering fields. Hundreds of thousands of foriegn student come to the USA ever year to study medican, engineering and the science because there are not enough Americans willing to put in long hours of hard work to get real degrees in real fields.

Those young fools wanted a quick and easy path to the top and are not getting it touch they should have thought of that before majoring in some thing as useless as the social sciences.

Richard
It doesn't really matter if it is harder or easier now than in the late 1970's. We can argue that for a long time, I'm sure, and it would probably be a fascinating discussion. To the people that are losing jobs now or struggling to find a new job to support themselves, it is the conditions now that are relevant. While I will acknowledge that my grandparents had what is likely a harder time in the 1930's than I have now (and certainly lessons from them can be helpful now), that doesn't diminish the real conditions of today.

Anne in the Pines
Beloved Dear Leader Village Organizer Chairman HO is a Socialist. Which is to say a Liar, Cheat and Thief.

To pray for the Success of Lying, Cheating, and Thieving violates about a Ton of Biblical Commands.

We got a lot of “Anne”s out there so I have no idea if you are one of the ones who usually make sense, but I can tell you that your latest here is right out of the “Socialist Manifesto”.
“I believe we got here through a combination of corporate greed, lack of oversight, horrendous leadership, and out-of-control consumerism.”
Really? So who died and made you Judge of other people’s decisions about how to spend their own money? Forget about the fact that if Consumers don’t Consume there ARE no jobs? What we all make Buggy Whips on the Govment payroll. Useless but finely crafted, one to a customer so we don’t over consume? Corporate Greed? So you buy the old bigoted French Philosopher “Behind every great fortune is a great crime?” Let’s see, it's Profit that pays people to INVEST which raises CAPITAL which CREATES JOBS, but Profit is bad. Sure. “Lack of oversight?” Ok so let’s create a Spending Gestapo, issue Ration Books, “whoops sorry, only one paperback per Quarter, off to jail you go you greedy, overspending, unregulated consumerist you.” “Horrendous leadership”–oh like a Czar for a 5 year Plan. A Commisar of the Economy.
It couldn’t be we got here because some people insist on making other people’s economic choices FOR them, using the Government to interfere and redistribute, naw, it couldn’t be THAT!

The Big Mick

Celebrate the Coronation of Smokin BO, light up your BO KOOLs!
Smoke em if ya got em Comrades. Mock early and often.

great column by KP
We are reaping the rewards of laissez faire capitalism.

6 days

And N.Y. Produces????
Dear Ms. Parker,
I'm just a regular working stiff here in Colorado. I've visited NY-City twice, but really have no desire to ever return. My work is in both tangible, and material goods. (I work with my hands) I'd be ever so grateful if you could point out to me just what productive benefits for either the city of N.Y., the state, nation, or world NYC actually outputs. I know of the United Nations. I know of Wall Street. I know of the theatre area around Houston Street. But really, what makes NYCity a productive contributing entity? Honestly, I'd really like to know. Sincerely, Incredulous in Colorado.

What?
What did she just say? Where was she in the 80's?

I think some of you aren't getting
what many of us are saying. Although, it is a shame people are unemployed to suggest that young people are having a harder time than other people had when they first went out into the world is ludicrous. It is also asking a lot to expect anyone to be terribly concerned about people who are suffering the indignity of wearing last year's clothes lol. Or to feel bad for a 25 year old who loses a 75k salary when the average household in the US is making 40 something. These people have the rest of their lives ahead of them -- why in the world anyone ever expected life to be easy is beyond me.

Agree with Anne, jerabaub, ca
The Schadenfreude on this thread is sickening.

Richard, in this horrible economy people are losing jobs in all sectors and that includes engineers and others in the sciences.

Job Security
You want lifetime job security with no law or medical degree? (And you're not a first-rate journalist?) Teach math or science in a public school--if you are tough enough to do it. Average salary for a ten-month year? Around 55k. Starting salary in TX? 48k in many suburbs and cities.

economy today is a lot
better than it was when I got out of school and that fool carter was wrecking the country. Yes things are not as good today as they were a year ago but they are far far from as bad as they were when I graduated. This idea things are so bad is just a lot of whinning brats who have had everything handed to them for 20 so years and have never had to work or fight for anything. TS grow some balls and start working. Think things are bad now wait a year when Obama carter style ecomony plan kicks in and unemployment is over 10% and inflation is pushing 20%.

Jack David -TX-job security
Come on up to the NEA controlled, People's Republic of New Jersey. Take enough garbage credits, teach finger painting in Kindergarden and become over pampered, overpaid, over perked and over pensioned to up to $107K, yes, no typo,$107K plus another $30K-$40K in the aforementioned benefits in my town for a half year of "work." Then you too can pay $9200.00 in property taxes on a modest three bedroom split. I also thank the "heroes" in blue ripping off about $125K + benefits each for just a regular cop.

The long haul, and its alternative
Some people do not get it. We have entered a period of VERY SEVERE ECONOMIC CONTRACTION. Time to stop the denial, people. This is not a case of "work harder, take another job, cut back" until we get through this. There are no jobs, and you and your children may not get through this. Businesses are going out of business. Opportunities to make money as an entrepreneur have almost entirely disappeared and their return is nowhere on the horizon. How are you going to make money? How do you know you won't get laid off? Even if you had a great new idea, where would you get the capital during a credit crisis?

The Congressional Budget Office does not expect GDP to return to normal until the year 2015. Can you potentially survive six years without an income? What if your portfolio was reduced by (another) half?

Are you starting to get the picture? People are going to have to die. That is how natural law stabilizes such situations. If you are old and sick, don't expect any miracle drugs or devices to have been produced to save your life. Drug companies are doing mass lay-offs of their scientists. Expect your retirement proceeds to shrink. Expect wages to shrink. Expect more people to die of exposure to the elements. Expect life to become less safer: More random train derailments, buildings catching fire and exploding, power lines going down, airplanes with mechanical problems crashing. Who can afford maintenance anymore?

People need to wake themselves up out of complacency. We are facing dangerous conditions you have not experienced in your lifetime in this country. You should pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged to understand the cause and effects if you have not done so already and be prepared to harass your legislators at every turn to stop and reverse the onslaught of statism in this country. The life you save may be your own.

To Matthew - Oh
My Sincere Congrats to U and I wish U well as a member of the JAG..I wonder (not that I worry about it) how well some of this years" Oberlin Grads will make out with their Philosophy, Argentine Basket-Weaving, Black Studies, etc Majors??
Again, Congratulations & GOOD LUCK!!

So Wendy
you are saying things are going to get as bad as they were under that fool carter. Will smart people survived that fool I'm sure smart hard working people will survive the mess Obama is going to make.

I agree with Anne
Whatever our personal opinions are, it seems that we would be best served working together to address the problems at hand, to understand that this is and will be a difficult time for many people for some time to come, and to hope that things improve, whether because of or in spite of Barack Obama. It seems odd to blame him for the mess we're in, but blame is rarely useful or even rational.

We're all in this together.

Anne and Greg
I don't blame Obama I blame liberals like Bush, Franks, Hillary, and all the other liberal members of congress that spent like crazy, forced insane social engineering programs on the financial system, the military, in fact all parts of the economy and society. From social promotion in schools, to social promotion in banking it has all had a negative impack on society. The problem is that they knew it would because they've seen the negative impack it had in Europe, Latin American, and Asia. Yet they still put person desire and profit ahead of the country and society and pushed their failed liberal policies on the USA.

If one hopes for better things for the public the average person in the USA then they must hope that all of Obama liberal ideas fail and he fails. The choice is simple for things to improve for the country Obama liberalism must fail or better yet not be tried. For be the equation is simple if the choice is better a successfull Obama admin or a successfull country I'll choose country. Really that is the choice.

Really?
SEZ GARY:
"Is MBA Really an Advanced Degree?
One can track many things along with the decline of the US economy. One of those things is the MBA. It's what everyone gets who can't seem to settle on a productive advanced degree. "

SEZ ME:
Really? The problem isn't the MBA. The problem is libeerals with an MBA. Capitalists and free market entrepreneurs with an MBA are doing just fine.

kbTexan,
BBA, MBA, PhD

Ms Parker:

I believe there are far too many people who are, in the words of Paul Harvey, “Educated beyond their intelligence.” This SHAKING OUT, as with other BUBBLES, was inevitable. And the “Something…” that has “gone terribly wrong with the American dream?” Could it be, what constitutes your dreamworld has in reality been the arbitrary imposition of a nightmare, on past, and present generations; whose minds, hands and personalities were and are better suited to other pursuits? What I’m saying is, if the system is broken it may be so for less than obvious reasons, and Kathleen, your inference that a degree is the pathway to success, in my estimation, nails it; that is, the literati’s reasoned lack of reasoning. A case in point, we, as a nation, not only farm out our unskilled labor; we are also experiencing a dearth of available workers in the skilled trades as well. With your “American dream” being so narrowly focused. Is it any wonder why?

Private schools and school systems pridefully publish percentages of college degreed alumni but eschew any mention of students (it doesn’t even scratch the calcified surface of their collective mindset’s armor) who have gone on to become skilled tradesmen. This despite the literally thousands of hours spent in training, as well as the State licensing requirements for many construction trade disciplines.

I encouraged my children to follow their hearts; to engage in activities and career paths they enjoy. Thus far, two of them have degrees and two are licensed construction professionals. All of them are leading happy, productive lives, own their own homes, vacation in exotic locales and have more toys than I did at their ages. It remains to be seen as to which of them will amass the most wealth. Were I however, a gambling man, my money right now would be on one of the tradesmen.

BTW: I gave you a four for this column; not for agreement but because it’s more inspired than anything you’ve written in months. ;-)
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