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Saturday, February 16, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Few Minutes Well Spent
by Jonah Goldberg
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How much of the Republican convention did you watch?




Less than five minutes.

That's the total amount of time the United States has waterboarded terrorist detainees. How many detainees? Three. Who were these detainees?

One was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, "the principle architect of the 9/11 attacks" according to the 9/11 Report, and the head of al-Qaeda's "military committee." Linked to numerous terror plots, he is believed to have financed the first World Trade Center bombing, helped set up the courier system that resulted in the infamous Bali bombing, and cut off Danny Pearl's head.

A second was Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the head of al-Qaeda operations in the Persian Gulf. He allegedly played a role in the 2000 millennium terror plots and was the mastermind behind the USS Cole attack that killed 17 Americans.

The third was Abu Zubaydah, said to be Osama bin Laden's top man after Ayman al Zawahri and al-Qaeda's chief logistics operative. It is believed that Zubaydah essentially ran al-Qaeda's terror camps and recruitment operations. After he was waterboarded, Zubaydah reportedly offered intelligence officers a treasure trove of critical information. He was waterboarded just six months after the 9/11 attacks and while the anthrax scare was still ongoing.

John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer who witnessed the interrogation, told ABC's Brian Ross: "The threat information that he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks."

He divulged, according to Kiriakou, "al-Qaeda's leadership structure" and identified high-level terrorists the CIA didn't know much, if anything, about. It's been suggested that Zubaydah and al-Nashiri's confessions in turn led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

And that's it. Less than five minutes, three awful men, five years ago.

(We don't know how long, exactly, each was waterboarded, but reports suggest that Zubaydah lasted between 30 and 35 seconds, and Khalid Sheik Mohammed lasted the longest - between 90 seconds and three minutes.)

The reason these facts are important is simple. For several years, human rights groups, the media and partisan opponents of the Bush administration and the war on terror have tried to portray the U.S. as a "torture state" that has completely abdicated its decency, its principles and even its soul under the leadership of a president who believes in an ominous-sounding "unitary executive" branch. We've been barreling down a "slippery slope," making America indistinguishable from Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.

Yet none of these interrogations were the result of a "rogue" CIA or the mad whims of a "torture presidency." The relevant Democratic congressional leadership for intelligence - including current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Jay Rockefeller and former Sen. Bob Graham - were briefed on CIA operations more than once. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," Porter Goss, who chaired the House Intelligence Committee from 1997 to 2004 before becoming CIA director, told The Washington Post. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement." Continued...

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Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.
 
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Subject: Goldberg speaking as an ignorant
Yes, 9/11 made and America, by America, for America in the "shop" of complete and absolute lawlessness/anarchy with the Commander in Chief it formeman. Yes, if America were still the true sovereign nation it was 52 years ago when I arrived as a legal immigrant, this ignorant man Goldberg would have no story to write like this one. Yes, George W. on top of it as Commander while 9/11 did happen he goes shooting parts of the world to pieces while still leaving the borders open for still more hoodlums to enter. Give me a break please? Yes, Imperialism never cares about its own borders, and neither pays attention to its immigration laws! Yes, America is really no more a sovereign nation but an abusive and far-reaching Empire. America's military might circles the globe and yet nobody cares about its borders other than much blabber going on now during this circus of an election. Yes, my Republican party the worst, while Ron Paul is sneered at when in reality he is the only true Conservative as measured by the USA Constitution, in a way of speech. A vote for McCain is a sure vote for WWIII, as I see it!

Torture and political realism
Another lesson from Political Realism 101: The argument about whether waterboarding is "torture" is absurd. Of course it's torture; that's why it has been used. Torture is a necessary tool of governments engaged in war, and we are surely at war with al-Qaeda and its companion groups. Torture may--although there is no necessity here--lead to useful intel, as may the threat of torture, or the expectation on the part of prisoners that torture may or will be used.

Torture is also a very old practice; we human beings are the sort of creatures that will harm or threaten harm to an enemy we have in our power. Human behavior in gangs, in clan feuds, and in wars shows this pretty conclusively. Human beings try to harm their enemies; it's what we do.

What amazes me is not that stories of torture are published, but rather that so few such stories are published. I can't believe that the only waterboarding we have done is confined to the three enemy combatants named in the column.
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