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Wednesday, June 10, 2009
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Competition Would Save Medicine, Too
by John Stossel
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Competition so regularly brings us better stuff -- cars, phones, shoes, medicine -- that we've come to expect it. We complain on the rare occasion the supermarket doesn't carry a particular ice-cream flavor. We just assume the store will have 30,000 items, that it will be open 24/7, and that the food will be fresh and cheap.

I take it for granted that I can go to a foreign country, hand a piece of plastic to a total stranger who doesn't speak English ... and he'll rent me a car for a week. Later, Visa or MasterCard will have the accounting correct to the penny.

*** Special Offer ***

Compare: Governments can't even count votes accurately -- or deliver the mail efficiently.

Yet now, somehow, government will run auto companies and guarantee us health care better than private firms? And the public seems eager for that!

If you think it's mainly the political class and mainstream media that are clueless, listen to the doctors. Dr. Atul Gawande, in an otherwise interesting New Yorker article on health-care costs, disparages medical savings accounts and high-deductible insurance. First, he explains the theory behind this proposal to cardiologist Lester Dyke:

"[People would] have more of their own money on the line, and that'd drive them to bargain with you and other surgeons, right?"

Gawande comments, "He gave me a quizzical look."

The doctors then dismiss the idea with a sneer.

"We tried to imagine the scenario. A cardiologist tells an elderly woman that she needs bypass surgery and has Dr. Dyke see her. They discuss the blockages in her heart, the operation, the risks. And now they're supposed to haggle over the price as if he were selling a rug in a souk? 'I'll do three vessels for $30,000, but if you take four, I'll throw in an extra night in the ICU' -- that sort of thing? Dyke shook his head. 'Who comes up with this stuff?' he asked."

I do. Adam Smith did. Market competition is what's brought us most of what's made life better and longer.

But the doctors have mastered the anti-free-market sneer: Markets are good for crass consumer goods like washing machines and computers, but health care is too complicated for people to understand.

But that's nonsense. When you buy a car, must you be an expert on automotive engineering? No. And yet the worst you can buy in America is much better than the best that the Soviet bloc's central planners could produce. Remember the Trabant? The Yugo? They disappeared along with the Berlin Wall because governments never serve consumers as well as market competitors do.

Maybe 2 percent of customers understand complex products like cars, but they guide the market -- and the rest of us free-ride on their effort. When government stays out, good companies grow. Bad ones atrophy. Competition and cost-conscious buyers who spend their own money assure that all the popular cars, computers, etc. are pretty good.

The same would go for medicine -- if only more of us were spending our own money for health care. We see quality rise and prices fall in the few areas where consumers are in control, like cosmetic and Lasik eye surgery. Doctors constantly make improvements because they must please their customers. They even give out their cell numbers.

Drs. Dyer and Gawande don't understand markets. Dyer's elderly woman wouldn't have to haggle over price before surgery. The decisions would be made by thousands of 60-, 40-, and 20-year-olds, the minority who pay closest attention.

Word about where the best values were would quickly get around. Even in nursing homes, it would soon be common knowledge that hospital X is a ripoff and that Y and Z give better treatment for less.

People assume someone needs to be "in charge" for a medical-care market to work. But no one needs to be in charge. What philosopher F.A. Hayek called "spontaneous order" and Adam Smith called "the invisible hand" would make it happen, just as they make it happen with food and clothing ... if only we got over the foolish belief that health care is something that must be paid for by someone else.

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Conservatives' Koolaid is not the answer
Obviously, Mr. Stossel has not spent much time comparing health plans. Some of the nuances in HC; what: procedures are covered, the co-pay is/if there is one, is covered/not, the maximum/year, facilities/doctors/specialists are covered; millions of possibilities. Can you imagine covering this in a phone call? It's like reading "terms of use" for computer software, a credit card agreement, etc. Comparing this to an automobile is silly-I just signed paperwork on a car that didn't make sense; it was a leap of faith-so are many things in our lives. Next, the common claim that private business knows what it's doing and government does not-excuse me: who ran GM, Chrysler, and the banks into the ground??? Who's bailing out who??? Lastly, there were also superior products that failed due to marketing...the Betamax and the 8 mm camera are two that come to mind. What the health care system needs is some general standardization: a standard group of benefits to start with, and blocks of additional benefits that each company would offer that each employer or person could purchase. If folks are going to be able to have a legitimate chance at comparing, this should be made as easy as possible. However, I still can't imagine having a gall bladder attack, for instance, and calling around to find out who has the best rate! This is absurd! I suggest Mr. Stossel re-think his prescription and read this month's Money magazine: "Too Much Money for Too Much Medicine" by Dartmouth researcher Elliot Fisher. Fisher noted wide disparities in health care spending around the country without there being no correlation to better care, i.e. lower cost areas actually had slightly better mortalities and care. Further, he noted that "Under the system we have today, health-care providers are rewarded only for doing more stuff, not for providing better outcomes." Among his suggestions: rewarding doctors for providing good care at low cost instead!

Health Care RipOff contd.
As I was saying I had over SIXTEEN people that I can find involved in my care. SIXTEEN people each making huge salaries. I had a Primary Doctor, a secondary Doctor, a physicians assistant, 2 CRNA's and an Anesthesiologist to watch the CRNA's. I had one nurse per scalpel (I guess, never have figured out what all those people were doing!), a nurse to put on the cast, another Doctor, This time a radiologist, because none of the other Doctors are capable of reading an x ray. Circulating nurses, scrub nurses, brow sweat nurses, what the hey, its a growth industry!

Health Care is a Rip Off
and it's not the trial lawyers who are doing it. It's the hospital's themselves. I just went through my paperwork for a minor outpatient procedure which lasted 70 minutes and cost 14,777.00. This is stupid. The hospital quoted me 3,000 for the OR and whatever the drugs were. I intended not to have sedation and general anesthetic, but unfortunately, I am too stupid and uneducated to know what's best... Anyway I had over SIXTEEN

I'm old enough to remember -
...when the consumer did pay the medical providers directly. People did talk about whose fees were more reasonable just as they talk about the wide disparity in quality today. Give us a single payer system and what do you think our chances are of having ANY choice in price or quality?

Parker the Pompous
Oh come now - can you do no better than resorting to that old high school debater's trick of attacking me personally rather than addressing the arguments. Winded one - it didn't work in high school and it doesn't work now.

As for those billions of defense dollars - how many of those billions are spent on waste, out-of-control government contracts, and lousy designs - examples, the new Coast Guard cutter that still hasn't been fully accepted; the Buck Rogers individual fighting system that the Army tried to push - with 95% of the technology not even invented; the Navy's DDG 1000 which is a billion dollar white elephant; ad nauseum.

As for the standard of living in Europe - there are multiple countries where the standard of living exceeds that of the U.S. - Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland are just examples. Obviously, you must stay marooned in your little log cabin in the back country.

Parker - you're just a health insurance industry troll. Get your head out of the gun and hunting magazines and broaden your base of knowledge.

Wolfgang the uninformed...
"A one-payer system such as is had in France and Germany would eliminate billions from health care costs and provide first-rate care - for everyone."

Show me some evidence of how billions would be saved? You can't just make claims of great savings without some demonstrable proof.
Woof woof! I'm a dog. moron!

Do our Medicare and Medicaid systems save money? NO! Both are wrought with fraud.
(FYI: The little old grandma would have one or the other in the current system so spare me your nonsense about having no insurance.) Ignorant!

What makes you think it would be different if everyone were participating in a Medicare spin-off, which is all this proposed one-payer system would amount to.

You do realize, the ONLY reason Europe has a system such as you refer to, is the US taxpayer provides Europeans BILLIONS in defense costs which they do not have to bear on their own and Europeans pay taxes through their proverbial noses only to be denied emergency health care services due to backlogs and bureacratic decision making. BTW-have you seen the way Europeans live? Really cozy dwellings there for the average joe. Uninformed!

Furthermore, who are you to make such preposterous claims regarding 'egregious' profits? What someone else earns at their own investment expense and risk is none of your business. Coveteous!

You are nothing but a coveteous, ignorant, uninformed moron.

alopekos teumesios
Good post!

I have read articles about how the doctor's union works to limit competion.

Driving Profit Out Of Health Care
If we prevented payments to all health care providers we could take the profit out of the system right quick.

Under those circumstances I believe total costs for medical care would decline a lot. Well not counting black market services.

AMA = Powerful Union
The AMA has worked for years to discredit nurse practitioners, osteopathic doctors or any other types of competition for their membership.

I recall listening to a radio news broadcast in 1996 when the AMA was lobbying Congress to limit the number of student slots in medical schools. They had the audacity to request that subsidies be given to medical schools for NOT teaching students. Their argument was that too many doctors would drive up the health care costs.

As a child in 1960's Philadelphia, I remember when doctors and dentists actually lived in the same row house neighborhoods as the patients. Sure, Doc owned a Cadillac and his wife had a real fur coat, but his house was just like ours. He even made house calls.

Wolfgang
No it wouldn't, how in the world would you believe that you can get something for nothing? The problem is that the government already has too much of a role in medicine. I volunteered for a hospital once, do you know I had to take a class on government regulations and requirements? It was required by law, and I only volunteered for a three hour shift.

The entire problem was derived from a very simple part of the tax code enacted by FDR. He made it illegal to tax health benefits. So guess what? Now companies can provide health care pre-tax, which everyone will take to avoid the taxes, instead of taking their salary and buying their own health care.

For example, say someone is paying 50% in taxes. Now if the company can provide you health care, 55% as efficiently as you could by shopping around and doing it yourself, you should take the money to avoid the taxes. Now competition is IMPOSSIBLE since the insurance companies, NOT THE PATIENTS are the customers of the medical care system.

If such a simple tax law can have such a huge problem, why in the world would you want to give the government more power? How many people do you know that fly over to Cuba to have a life or death surgery?

Use your brain instead of thinking you'll get a slice of the government pie by being a loyalist, you'll get the shaft like the rest of us.

2Guns
"This not about the uninsured or the poor or access to health care, its all about FAIRNESS or equalness (if that's a word)."

No, it's about: Control.

See what is happening to these companies that took money in these "bailouts?" Now that they've taken it, they're going to have their bonuses controlled, their salaries controlled, what perks they can and can't have...which procedures and guidelines must be followed, etc.

The same exact thing is going to happen to ordinary American citizens under "Universal Health Care". American citizens will soon be told what weight standards they have to adhere to, what activities they can or cannot participate in, which new safety measures will be required in the home, workplace, automobile...right on down the line.

And this will all be done under the guise of: "Reducing Health Care costs to the taxpayers."

Leftists have long wanted control over every aspect of American life. And years ago they stumbled upon "Health Care" as the means to their ends.

Echte Scheiss
That is what this article is. That little old grandmother wouldn't even be having the talk with her doctor because in all likelihood she is uninsured. If insured, some ex-hairdresser-now-health claims adjuster will deny coverage for the surgery in order to earn an end-of-year bonus. For-profit health insurance is the culprit - consider the billions wasted in administrative costs by the companies determined to deny claims on any shaky pretext. The pharmaceutical industry's successful lobbying effort to prevent Medicare and Medicaid from negotiating drug prices is another example of the greed in a market-driven health system. A one-payer system such as is had in France and Germany would eliminate billions from health care costs and provide first-rate care - for everyone. Of course the big drug companies and the health insurers won't make their eggregious profits any more - but who will shed a tear for them?

Finally
Someone finally is addressing the real problem with the direction we are taking when it comes to health care. It is real simple to understand, for anyone who wants to understand. You cannot effectively control prices, when the user of the service is not the one paying for the service. The reason is simple. If you do not pay for the service out of your own pocket, you do not care how much it cost, and you WILL use that service, regardless of how much it cost. When tha thappens, prices MUST rise. And when prices DO irse, the payer of that service has to figure out how to pay for the increase, or resort to dome form of forced rationing. And they have to pay more and more, with each passing year. And they have to get that money to pay for it all, in the end from all of us, so it ain't "free" as the supporters of this system claim. That in a nutshell is the problem.

It's not about health care
Obama care is all about "FAIRNESS".

Thou shalt not have a better health care plan just because thou shall be more able to afford it. Its just not FAIR.

This not about the uninsured or the poor or access to health care, its all about FAIRNESS or equalness (if that's a word).

Start by tossing ALL regulations.
I've been told the following by doctors:

It is illegal for a group of physicians to own a hospital to cut costs and increase efficiency. Why?

Insurance companies regularly audit doctors and dentists to confirm that patients without insurance are charged the same as though who do have it. Therefore, a sympathetic doc cannot charge the uninsured patient the same net amount they would receive from an insurance company. Why?

The health insurance you can buy in AZ will likely vary greatly in benefits and cost from that in NY. Why?

Many procedures are costed out according to Medicare standard payments which actually fixes prices. Why?

The answer to just these few examples can be found in gubmint regulation and coersion of the medical establishment and insurance companies. Add layers of state regs and masses of attorneys ready to file suit and you have the most inefficient and tangled mess we call "healthcare" today. (It's not healthcare; it is medical care.)

The only answer--- GET GUBMINT OUT OF IT ALL!

Government regulation...
Is the very cause of most of the 'issues' which are constantly being pointed out by the very same people who clamor for more regulation.

It is undeniable that the government's intervention into the health insurance, health care industry is what has wrought this mess.

If you believe otherwise, you are ignorant and uninformed.

The solution will never be found in more government. It started with Medicare, spread to Medicaid and the fraud fest began. This was exacerbated by FDA regs and patent laws.

Government intervention into hospitals long term care, which for years were established and run by churches, (ever notice how many are named after Saints and Churches?) Now, they are run by corporated entities...Ever wonder why?

Add to that, government intervention and subsidy into college tuition drove the cost of schooling through the roof, which then pushed up fees. Doctors have to pay their loans too. Affirmative action regs, research money and subsidy into politically motivated areas, government regulation of equipment, manufacturing, and every element of every aspect of your life is the cause of this mess. The last thing we need is more government regulation and intervention.

I defy anyone to name one area of your life which government, politicians or judges, at any level do not believe they have the right, the power or the authority to interfere.

The Cuban Health Care Plan
I recommend to those who can't afford Health Care to opt for the Left's vaunted: Cuban Health Care. To acquire the Cuban plan, simply follow the instruction below:

1. Get yourself a job paying around $30,000.00 a year.

2. Move in to a run-down apartment, trailer or decrepit three-room (not three bedroom) home with no heating or air-conditioning. Total monthly expense for residence and utilities will be around $500.00.

2. Take the bus, a bicycle or walk to and from work. Take a container of leftover rice and beans with you for lunch.

3. Wash your clothes by hand and hang them on the line to dry.

4. Have only on TV in the home -- with rabbit-ears.

5. When your children reach 10 years of age, get them a labor job somewhere (unofficially of course) like the Cuban children in the cane and tobacco fields.

6. For entertainment on the weekend, you and your buddies pitch-in a dollar - buy a bottle of rum - play dominoes on a rusty card table under the shade tree.

With all the money that you will save by living like a Cuban, you can purchase any Health Care plan you want. And you may even have plenty left over to save for the sainted: "College Education."

And no longer will anyone be able to say that even Cubans have Health Care -- where many Americans do not.

The problem Medical Insurance..
created by granting full payment to doctors who demanded ever higher payment is the current high costing USA medical system. Insurance companies are at fault and greedy doctors are at fault let alone dimwitted government programs.

To fix this mess could be very simple.

1. All medical Insurance policies must have a $10,000 deductible. This would reduce the cost of doctors since they would not need to hire people to file claims, re-file claims, appeal claims, post payments from insurance and customers. In essence a doctor could be a doctor once again. He might not be rich but he could be a doctor.

2. Medicare and Medicaid should be discontinued. It is complicated and makes doctors hire more people to follow their rules.

3. The law demanding anything more than basic procedures for non-paying emergency room customers should be repealed. Compassion costs a lot less than emergency services. Triage in emergency rooms should direct non-emergency cases to clinics run by other organizations.

4. The costs of hospitals, procedures, particular doctors and their success rating should be made public information. Let people make medical choices much like people choose which airline to fly to Vegas.

5. Effective alternatives to high costing drugs should be encouraged and promoted. This would happen if people were paying their own bills. In many cases life style changes could take the place of costly drugs or alternative medicines.

6. Remind people that a government that can tell you when, where and how much medical services you may receive is a government that can one day hand you a green pill that opens the door to eternity for you. I do not want a government like that and I don't think many other people do either.

Insurance- Supplier Collusion?
Too often the medical industry works hand in glove with the insurers to limit competition and thus drive up costs.
Case in point, I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea and needed a CPAP machine to ensure continuous breathing while I slept. Auto-titrating machines are available on the market that sense your breathing needs and adjust themselves along with a computerized readout to check efficacy. So cure should be simple - shop internet for best price/service and purchase with help of insurance. Wrong! Insurance would not cover unless I submitted to a sleep study which told me what I and my doctor already knew at a cost of several thousand and then would not cover machine unless purchased from an " authorized " supplier at an inflated price ( at least compared to internet prices )and limited choice of machine to an authorized one.
The point is , the industry needs shaking up on both the supply and the insurance side at least for non-life threating procedures.

Forced Disclosure!
One thing I think would help fix the medical industry would be the compination of two things:

1) Forced disclosure of prices. All medical providers should be forced to publish A PRICE for their service. This price should cover all consumers and not allow for special discounts or hikes. A patient should be able to search the web and easily get a listing of prices for a give procedure.

All comers pay the same published price!

2) We should have standardized performance metrics for standard procedures to go along with the pricing.

One thing I do not know how to deal with is how medical people “pile on”. A patient goes to the hospital for a procedure and asks the administrator for an estimate. The hospital gives a price, but fails to mention that other providers tack on another 2x or 3x charges. The hospital pretends that they are not aware of the vendors they authorize to be in the hospital.

Our medical system has some serious issues. I am half tempted to support a federal controlled meical industry just to spite the current cadre of medical scum bags!!!!!!!!!

As you can tell… I do not like the medical industry. They left me feeling really exploited. Medical types are competing with feminists on my most loathed list!

seriously anti-competetive
the medical industry has some SERIOUS anti-competitive issues.

My wife recently had a baby, and I have seen first hand some sleazy business practices.

I think a used car salesman would blush at the stuff the medical industry gets away with.

The medical industry is built on hidden fees, unpublished costs, piling on, and exploitation of the sick.

The sad thing is that most states have laws that prevent auto mechanics for doing some of the most egregious exploitive tactics, but it seems that the medical industry has free reign.

My recent experience with the medical industry has left me feeling dirty and exploited.

If there are any doctors or administrators reading this… my message to you is that you are a bunch of f#@&ing scumbags!

re: h2oskier
quote: "would be a good idea if you got to keep the money in the account if it is not used. However, now whatever money in the account not used by the end of year is lost. People spend the money on anything near the end of the year to keep from losing it. Why not let the money not used in the account in one year roll over to the next year? "


Actually, you're mistaking those "flex accounts" with Medical Savings Accounts. With MSAs, your money DOES carry over from year to year, and you earn interest on the account. So long as you're not spending the money on non-healthcare goods and services, you pay no tax on the interest. I've had one for about 3 years now and love it. Because it is accessed through a debit card or checks, I can even use it with doctors who don't take insurance, and it lets me shop around for the doctor or clinic I want to use. Then, I still have insurance for the "catastrophic" situation.

IT DOES WORK
I tried to get a price for an MRI from various doctors as was told they could not give me one, but my insurance co. could. I called the insurance co. and they said they could not give me a price because they have separate deals with each dr. and so please call your dr.
Finally someone told me what they were charged for one.
When I was in our doctor's office I ssw (on the wall) that he was a partner in a MRI firm I got an idea. I told the doctor a fictiously low price from a "competitor" so he called his MRI guy and said, "could you do me a favor and give this patient of mine an MRI for ....$? When he hung up the phone he said they agreed to lower my price as a favor.
The original price was something like $1200 and we finally paid something like $400.
Doctors know exactly how much things cost. The same goes for all the exams they give you when you have Medicare and supplementies.

The forbidden solution
There is another solution to bringing down health care costs but it's forbidden to talk about it because the trial lawyers would't make as much money. Litigation reform is needed.

How many unnecessary yet expensive tests are conducted only to cover the doctors's tush if a patient is unsatisfied with the results of his treatment and sues the doctor? How many suits are filed because a patient is unsatisfied with the results of his treatment or is one of the .0001 percent of people who has a bad reaction to a medication?

Be more strict with the litigatin and the cost of insurance for the doctors, hospitals and drug companies will be reduced which will lower costs. Also the number of unnecessary tests will drop.

If this happens the Dems will loose a large amount of campaign contributions so don't hold your breath.

Doctors sneer and free markets
Of course doctors sneer at free markets. They've been part of one of the most powerful cartels in our country for longer than I've been alive. They (the AMA) restrict the number of medical school slots in this country, thus limiting the supply of doctors and maintaining their power over the market. Imagine how different our world would be if the number of medical school slots increased as much as the number of law school slots has in the past 40 years. Thank goodness countries like India and Pakistan produce doctors that speak english well enough to pass the medical licensing exams and practice in this country, or we would have to wait even longer to see a specialist.

Clear and Comprehensive
As always, you never cease to impress me John. Every time I bring this issue up, people always revert to the 'it's too complicated' argument. Yet I'm beginning to think they're just not trying hard enough. You explained in one article when none of the politicians could throughout the entire election cycle. Is it possible for politicians at least try and simplify their thinking? I doubt it, but they had best find a way because the way health care costs are growing it's not going to be sustainable. Here's to hoping cooler heads like yours prevail.

Government IS the problem
Stossel is absolutely right about competition fixing health care. Indeed, I challenge anyone to name one significant health care problem in the United States that is NOT the result of some kind of government interference with the market. Government is causing the problems, so the obvious solution is to eliminate the cause, not to exacerbate it. Government intervention in a market is justified only if there is some kind of failure in that market - monopoly power, externalities such as pollution, or public goods such as national defense. Where is the failure in the health care market, except for those imposed by government intervention? I see none, with the probable exception of communicable diseases, which have an externality associated with them and therefore may justify government requirements that people be vaccinated.

The "3rd Rail."
Just by the few responses, John Stossel now knows "Health Care" can be the "3rd Rail" of journalism. Maybe it's the "3rd Rail" of everything. It is obvious, just after FeargalX, Stossel has no idea what he's talking about. And most of the rest of us don't, either. It all has to do with wanting to live forever.

The real brave new world that everyone is going to see -- if they keep this drive for all health care, all the time, going -- is that the world can get along just fine, without people over 70.

Absolutely
Truly refreshing to see a careful analysis rather than the daily tripe of I hate Obama for X and oh yeah he is going to make the world end today.

h2o skier
Health savings accouts (HSA's) do roll over from year to year. There is a yearly maximum that can be contributed, this changes from year to year. Payflex accouts do notroll over- the funds in them have to be used by the end of the year.

Low cost health care.
America has the best healthcare around, although the government would like you to think otherwise to promote their own agenda. Why do you think we get so many people from other countries that come here for cancer treatment and major surgeries?- because either it's not offered in their own country, they've been denied the treatment or the care is subpar. Doctors tend to run a lot of tests to rule things out, this adds up, but they don't do it to get the money. They do it to cover their butts from a lawsuit since we live in a sue-happy country. Not to mention in states like Illinois and Florida a lot of doctors are going to other states to practice or getting out altogether because of the exhorbitant cost of malpractice insurance. The cost of healthcare could be contained if first of all people took the time to get informed- is a MRI really needed? Would an xray suffice? Second people need to get off their lazy butts and move. Take responsibility for your health: eat right, exercise, don't smoke, drink responsibly, keep your weight in check. No "magic pill" will every replace any of that. Yes, unforeseen things happen such as cancer, car accidents, but by being proactive with your health is what will keep you healthy, out of the hospital and your healthcare bills low. Nothing done by government is ever cheap, we all end up paying for it and they aren't looking out for our best interests.

Medical savings account
would be a good idea if you got to keep the money in the account if it is not used. However, now whatever money in the account not used by the end of year is lost. People spend the money on anything near the end of the year to keep from losing it. Why not let the money not used in the account in one year roll over to the next year?

It is collision
What you call regulation is often collusion between government and special interests. It all goes on in secret. Shining some sunlight helps give us info. Tommy Thompson ratd nursing homes and Jeb Bush published drug prices.

I think it is odd that the author used only Medicare stats. They can't be representative,

regulations preclude competition
We have very tight regulations concerning health care -- so competition really cannot occur. Also, many of our health care issues come about as a result of an emergency -- and you don't negotiate cost and treatment under these circumstances. Cheap drugs that are over the counter in most of the Western world are illegal without prescription in the U.S. -- yet doctors here gave out Vioxx like candy -- often for conditions not involving osteo-arthritis. My wife got it after SURGERY, yes SURGERY instead of pain meds. Of course, Vioxx made a lot of money -- and was costly -- and doctors get rewards for prescribing that kind of medicine. Also -- in violation of anti-trust laws arguably -- we allow medical companies to charge an insurance company one price for a procedure -- and a private person without health care a much, much higher price (10x the cost somtimes). Our healthcare, for all its costs is not that great for at least half of Americans -- yet we spend more than twice as much for it per person than they do in France, the UK or Germany. http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm
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