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Wednesday, December 24, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Arrogant Conceit
by John Stossel
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Barack Obama wants to use the recession to remake the U.S. economy. "Painful crisis also provides us with an opportunity to transform our economy to improve the lives of ordinary people," Obama said.

His designated chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, is more direct: "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."

So they will "transform our economy." Obama's nearly trillion-dollar plan will not merely repair bridges, fill potholes and fix up schools; it will also impose a utopian vision based on the belief that an economy is a thing to be planned from above. But this is an arrogant conceit. No one can possibly know enough to redesign something as complex as "an economy," which really is people engaging in exchanges to achieve their goals. Planning it means planning them.

Obama and Emanuel want us to believe that their blueprint for reform will bring recovery from the recession. Yet we have recovered from past recessions without undertaking a radical social and economic transformation.

In fact, reform would impede recovery.

This is not the first time a president chose reform over recovery. Franklin Roosevelt did it with his New Deal, and the result was long years of depression and deprivation. Roosevelt's priorities were criticized not just by opponents of big government but by none other than John Maynard Keynes, the British economist whose theories rationalized big government. Before FDR had been in office a year, Keynes wrote him an open letter, which was printed in The New York Times:

"You are engaged on a double task, Recovery and Reform; -- recovery from the slump and the passage of those business and social reforms which are long overdue. For the first, speed and quick results are essential. The second may be urgent, too; but haste will be injurious. ... [E]ven wise and necessary Reform may, in some respects, impede and complicate Recovery. For it will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action. ... Now I am not clear, looking back over the last nine months, that the order of urgency between measures of Recovery and measures of Reform has been duly observed, or that the latter has not sometimes been mistaken for the former."

Note Keynes's concern. Government interventions, such as the cartelizing of industry through the National Recovery Administration, "will upset the confidence of the business world and weaken their existing motives to action." In other words, investors will not take the risks necessary for recovery if their profits and freedom are subject to unpredictable government action. Economic historian Roberts Higgs calls this phenomenon "regime uncertainty."

Keynes's letter apparently had little influence on Roosevelt, who stuck to his plan. In his second inaugural address a few years later, FDR feared that signs of recovery had jeopardized his reform plans by removing the sense of emergency: "To hold to progress today, however, is more difficult. Dulled conscience, irresponsibility and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster! Prosperity already tests the persistence of our progressive purpose." (Emphasis added.)

What a shame. Free people enjoying their lives make it harder for the administration to forcibly impose its utopian vision on them.

Obama wants to act quickly. In the name of stimulating the economy, he plans to spend hundreds of billions of dollars the government does not have to convert the economy from carbon-based fuels to "green" alternatives. Even if that were a good idea -- and it's definitely not -- it would not bring recovery. Any money the government spends must be taxed, borrowed or conjured out of thin air by the Federal Reserve, and that will reduce sound private investment. Obama has no real wealth to inject into the economy. He can only move around existing money while inflation robs us of purchasing power. Meanwhile, private investors who might have produced a better engine, battery, computer, cancer treatment or other wealth-creating and life-enhancing innovations hold back for fear that big government will undermine productive efforts.

The way to a lasting recovery is to greatly lighten the burdens of government. Then free Americans will save and invest.

Grand interventionist reforms go in precisely the wrong direction.

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ST. BARACK'S GESTAPO:
ed
Location: MD
Reply # 62
Date: Jan 10, 2009 - 9:40 AM EST BO's plan:
Careful how you criticize St. Barack of Obama's
economy plan lest you be visited by the Gestapo
he is forming as we speak...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Gary in Fla.
Gary
Location: FL
Reply # 20
Date: Dec 24, 2008 - 10:00 AM EST Obama
Obama will not be able to change much due to the economy. It really doesn't matter which party is in control, they're both the same party of people anyway. The goal of both parties is re-election, not serving the people. Ron Paul was laughed at, maybe deservedly so, but most of his ideas would get America back on track. Unfortunately, we are a nation obsessed with controlling the freedoms of others. Control taxation and you control the government. It's our money....

Control the money, and you control the PEOPLE!...my guess food shortages will be next, and we'll need the Government, led by St. Barack of Obama to step in and save us...there's an agenda going on in D.C. that we, the people, are not being told about...as the late George Carlin stated in his act, "Theres a big club in Washington, D.C. and YOU ain't in it!"

BO's plan:
Careful how you criticize St. Barack of Obama's
economy plan lest you be visited by the Gestapo
he is forming as we speak...

Unemployment...
... does not count the many folks across broad income levels who have dropped out in plain sight, waiting for the free-for-some that the tribe is trying to throw to blow itself up.

The only way it doesn't is, if crap really floats forever.

Monopolies in Mixed Economies are Bad
But, we love our monopolists with guns.

I could have sworn, right at the top of FDR's List of Mixed Economizer Things To Do was "Lookout for monopolies/concentrated power."

Apparently, 'guns' make monopolists totally invisible to our Mixed Economizer radar.

SEC EXEMPT, AGENCY RATED FNMA/GNMA used to brush aside 50 sets of more stringent state banking regulations, in a massive OneSizeFitsAll experiment. Ooooops; we didn't do it. Capitalism did it. Not enough ...er... regulation.

SEC EXEMPT, AGENCY RATED FNMA/GNMA magic glow imprimateur used to create the financially engineered genius of 'securitized mortgage bundles.' Not backed by the US Gov't? Wink, wink. Of course they were backed by the US Gov't. What did the US Gov't just do, if not 'back them?' Ooooops;' we didn't do it. Capitalism did it.

Let's start a rumour; it's not 'THE ECONOMY.'

It's the economies.

It's a start.


FDR was an idiot...
...who once admitted he had never read a book on economics. Obama and his advisors may have read a few more books than FDR, but they have undoubtedly read the wrong ones. (They've probably never heard of Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, or Frederic Hayek.)

Obama's "stimulus package" will be in the neighborhood of $850 billion. The gross domestic product clocks in at about $14.5 trillion. Because Obama doesn't have an extra $850 billion lying around, he'll have to turn on the printing presses to pump $850 billion into the economy. Of course, his "stimulus package" won't actually create any new wealth - the economy won't be making any more widgets than before - so all he will do is add currency to a declining economy. There will then be $15.35 trillion ($14.5 trillion plus $850 billion) chasing the same $14.5 trillion in goods and services. What will be the result? Inflation, of at least six per cent.

At the same time, unemplyment will exceed 10 per cent, because businesses - fearing what Obama will do next - will cut their staffs to the bone in order to conserve cash. And businesses will certainly not expand, as they will be in fear of a Obama tax hikes and excessive new regulations (particularly "green" regulations).

Obama looks like he will repeat every mistake made by FDR, who did such a bang-up job that he was able to keep the Depression going a full nine years (1933-1941).

Of course, the union workers will get most of that $850 billion, which is why they helped finance his campaign. They'll get the $850 billion before most the prices go up, and the rest of the country will get stuck paying for the "stimulus" with inflation.

History has totally discredited FDR, yet Obama has surrounded himself with fools who believe they can change fundamental laws of economic nature. They can't. Printing money causes inflation. Period.

http://www.colony14.net





training?
over half the voting population elected Obama to be president. What training or experience does he have in economics or financial operations of the scope that he is planning to address? If his experience as a constitutional scholar is any indication we are in big trouble. As for the morons suffering from BDS blaming Bush for the poor economy, I recommend that they go back to 7th grade social studies or civics classes and learn about the separation of powers. It may come as a surprise that it is the Congress which determines economic policy and direction. The ability to attain power does not confer wisdom, and it certainly doesn't improve credibility.

leadership without honor is tyranny
gubernatio sine veneratio tyrannus est.

Recession and redoing our economy
Hi John, I love your insight and articles. I have read everything you have written. I found out that the Denver Mint is making Amerco money and Obama says we are going to have to get used to it. Our paper money will not be worth anything and he will issue Amerco money like the Euro money in Europe that has failed. In Germany when he was speaking He said "This is a Globel Economy and I will lead it. He wants to be King of the World. King Obama is his name if you need more info on Amerco money go to http://www.oilforimmigrants.org and on the right side of the page is a list of all the articles
and there you will find Americo get used to it.


Marcia in PA

garryb
Yeah, actually, I think some of the Army would follow the POTUS in that circumstance. I live in a big military town surrounded by four military bases. I've asked friends in the military that same question and you get "Oh, the POTUS would never ask us to do that, but if he did, there'd be a good reason and, yeah, that's what I signed on for." There is a deep and abiding mistrust among most military people I know of the general public. My brother who was in the Navy in Vietnam era tells me he believes it was part of his training to have a deep and abiding mistrust of Vietnamese people. He vaguely remembers during the sleep deprived days of basic training being confronted with images and statements that made him loath anyone with slant eyes. He says he still feels that way when caught off guard, 40 years later. It is his contention that US soldiers are probably subjected to the same sorts of images aimed at Arabs today. Nothing says those types of brain-washing techniques can't also be used for Americans. As I said, many of the military personnel I know distrust the general population and would, under the right circumstances, open fire on us. Oh, you'd get a few who would refuse, but they'd get weeded out quickly enough by court martials and their fellow soldiers' peer pressure.

Stay out!
Stay out, Obama and your government plans with the economy! FDR proved that government can make an economy worse with its meddling and LBJ's plans with his Great Society made no difference except increase the government debt with Medicare, Head Start, etc! But why should he care how his ideas turn out? Bad or good, he will recieve a nice check, perks, free health care and retirement in and after he's out of office, including all the books he will write stating how right he is about everything he's done.

A complex world requires complex thinkin
States and markets each have strengths and weaknesses, and neither can solve all of our problems. Instead, they compliment each other. It's time we moved beyond outmoded thinking based on a simplistic state/market dichotomy.

Where is the nuanced thinking?
First, I believe it is spurious to compare Obama's intervention to a planned economy. The US' current economic system, is, and has been, a mixed economy. Moreover, in some ways, government intervention does not stifle freedom, but allows it. By freedom, I mean the ability to directly control one's future. An individual, by themselves, cannot build a school or a hospital, if they desire an education or health care. Instead, government intervention is often required to provide these public goods that allow the individual the freedom to live as they choose.

Second, you write that, “Any money the government spends must be taxed, borrowed or conjured out of thin air...and that will reduce sound private investment.” This is generally true, and most times would be a strong argument against government spending—which raises interest rates, thereby crowding out investment. Yet how is this applicable when interest rates are currently 0%-.25%. In fact, it would appear that we are in the midst of a liquidity trap (an idea supported by both the liberal Paul Krugman and the conservative George Mankiw), in which fiscal policy is the only means of stimulating the economy, because monetary policy is no longer efficacious. Yet you write that Obama's efforts will impede recovery. Now you may be right about "regime uncertainty," a topic of which I am completely ignorant. Yet the points I have raised above are covered in any macroeconomics class. To utilize a public forum for ideological talking points, while ignoring sound, non-partisan scholarship, I find to be truly “arrogant.”

For example, you write, “The way to a lasting recovery is to greatly lighten the burdens of government. Then free Americans will save and invest.” Yet, if this were true, where were the savings throughout the Reagan years? How do you account for the fact that countries like China, with substantial government intervention, have savings rates of about 30% of household income?

Raise interest rates!
What???

No, seriously. There is no incentive in this country to save because interest rates are so low. Savings interest rates are keyed to lending interest rates. When we look at the stability of both the 1950s economy and society, we often deplore the loss of social values, but we forget that interest rates were high back then which meant that you had to work to buy a house and you stayed in that house for the rest of your life, providing your children with stability and you with an incentive to keep the job you used to buy the house. People also saved money. My parents had a nice little nest egg on which to retire, all from their savings, not an investment account. They got something back from their investment in savings that was mostly guaranteed (and these were people who had lived through the bank failures of the Depression). Now, we don't have that incentive. If we invest in our retirement at all, we do it in the stock market which seems to be some sort of national Las Vegas rather than an actual investment. Except for my SIL the accountant, I don't know anyone who invests in the market who actually moves their earnings over into stable savings accounts. Why is that?

So, raise the interest rates and you transform society. Yes, there will be short-term hardship, but in the long run, I believe it will be good for our country economically and socially. And, you have essentially used the free market to do it.

The Three Theories of Life
Long have I had three theories to explain the practices of some:

-The Pea Theory of Life
My brother always hated peas and spread them around on the plate so that my parents would think that he had eaten most. Of course, my Mom would come along and spoon them back together saying "You can spread (the wealth) the peas around on the plate in as many ways as you want, but you will still have the same amount of peas. This theory holds true for income redistribution and economic recovery.

-The Spaghetti Theory of Life
Basically, one throws everyhing at the wall to see what sticks, which applies to Obama and the Libtard's stimulus packages, "green" programs and Utopian goals.

-The Rodney King Theory of Life
As in, "can't we all get along"? So what if we engage in class warfare, as long as everyone is poor, we will supposedly all get along. Oh! We happy peasants!

Never in my life have I met a person to whom all theories apply. Now, the majority of "Yes, We Ought to be Given" American voters have elected this new specimen as President.

No cigar
Am I missing something here?

I sometimes like what Stossel has to say, but when he writes that private investors "who might produce a better engine, battery, computer...and other wealth creating innovations will hold back for fear big government will undermine productive efforts", are these the same private investors who got screwed by wall street shysters who exploited government's aversion to needed regulation in the financial industry collapse of the last few months...the regulation he so abhors?

I am not an excessive-regulation guy, but here I think some might have helped.

Those private investors Stossel so concerns himself with have had their portfolios emptied by financial "boy-wonders" operating in a regulation averse environment.

Bleeding Heart Liberal = Wrong
How can you say that a liberal has a more Christian stance? It is the liberals who vote to destroy the sanctity of marriage, take life into their own hands (abortion), and who seem to deny the fact that men are indeed fallen and sinful in nature. Why would a Christian want to put someone who they know is fallen into any position of higher power than the rest. It it pretty simple principles that you are overlooking. Spread out power so not one man can have power and influence over others. It is not any presidents job to reform anything or change anything, they are called to serve the people, not decide for them.

I'll stop my raving.

Joyous Christmas to all.

Jobs
I just heard from a relative in Texas that they gained 60,000 jobs last year. What are you people in Illinois doing different. Oh- yeah-yes--I heard something about Illinois, too. I won't talk about Oregon, since I don't claim the Metro-environutty left coasters. I am considering a move to Idaho.

Spend! Spend! Spend! It's O.P.M!
Leave it to a self proclaimed intellectual to have the arrogance to believe in a plan of spending an already bankrupt country into prosperity! The American people voted this over educated pseudo intellectual into office, and now that the reality of their choice is sinking in, they will spend the next four years defending the aggressively selective ignorance of their original decision.

If we make it through the next four years it will be in spite of the decisions made in D.C. After all, wasn't our current situation caused by the combination of "feel good" liberal lending policies, combined with greed, and sprinkled with a wink and a nod that banks would be bailed out after lending to people based on factors other than ability to repay their loans?

Why is it that the Liberal/Progressive/Elitists aren't standing up and taking credit for nearly bankrupting the entire world?

How many years after Obama leaves office will the Godless, irresponsible, self-important, left still be blaming George W. Bush for Obama's bad decisions?

When a Liberal speaks, cover your wallet and run! If he says he’s going to “help” you, cover your assets!

God help us all! Merry Christmas!

They Have a Plan
Clearly, the Obama Team has a plan for recovery.

There is more than one way of looking at something.

Just as important as the "plan in place" is the not so evident factor of psychology. How are folks "feeling" about the new leader?

How will we respond to this fascinating, gifted new leader? Have you ever noticed the difference a school principal can make? The difference a store manager can make? The difference one teacher or one worker can make in that school or business?

Then there is another crucial factor, factor X, the unknown. We need people who are pragmatic, flexible; not people with dogmas set in stone--like many doctrinaire economic "conservatives."

RIGHT AGAIN STOSSEL !
All points are well taken in this article, but who in congress is listening? I have lived through three down swings in our economy as a self employed individual and each time the economy corrected itself without restructuring the economy. During Carter's administration we reached a point of 10% unemployment. If the government would keep it's hands out of business we will always prosper as a nation. The Obama stimulus package won't solve the problem. Building bridges and changing light bulbs in the nation's capitol won't bring in needed revenue on a long term basis. Cutting the captial gains tax will. Where are the real economist who understand this principal?

In addition, remember Jamestown when the settlers attempted to distribute food equally for everyone, but soon some people were not carrying their load of work and Captain Smith declared, "No work, no food". Made sense in the 1600's, still makes sense in 2008.

Quote From the Past
Barak Obama's little finger is thicker than George Bush's thy.

"Saving" the economy
I'm just waiting for the Dear Leader to introduce his first Five-Year Plan. It will probably be as successful as all those Five-Year Plans they had in the old Soviet Union. Bleeding Heart Liberal would do well to remember those and the complete failures they were. No, government is not the solution, it is the problem. Get the government off the backs of the people and see how the economy does.

Spread around the Wealth??
Yep, as long as there are poolenty of $4.00 jobs, who needs money. Haven't you figured it out, "YOU" aren't to have any money. If you get any, you are to give it up to Big Oil, Utility, Phone,IRS or any other one that puts out their corporate hands.

You are on the "USA Plantation" and you are a Plantation Slave. Just stop paying and see where you will be living. "IN THE PARK".

Once a government program
starts, it never quits, witness the REA, Rual Electirfication Act. Started in the 1930's as one of FDRs "alpahbet programs". Well, rural america has been electrified. The REA is still going strong, slopping at the government trought wasting money. I am of the mind that once BHO starts these programs to "create jobs", they will never end. Government is the problem, not the solution. Ron Paul had this current economic crisis pegged from the get go. It is a shame he scared the bejezzus out of the Republican establishment. He was the only true Republican in this years presidential race.

Sarah Conner

We'd start the Second Republic of Texas with Austin surrounded. They ain't got the belly the boys in the Alamo had. They'll come into camp easy enough.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
And you think that more government is better? Where have you tucked your head...the one that is suppose to have a brain, not the other one. Where the sun don't shine for both of them, I guess.

And a blessed Christmas Eve to you.

i'm confused mr. jefferson
well ole dubya did nothing the last 2 years and how many jobs were created?thats what i thought.

The joke is the $700 billion needed
to avoid a worldwide ec. collapse hasn't even been dispersed. Only $135 billion has been handed out, some of the rest will go to Detroit which is like throwing it to the wind, and the rest is being nibbled like ducks by governors and mayors whose idea of *infrastructure* public works jobs are tennis courts, bike paths, and the goody of all goodies: sports stadium.

Ergo, we will tax citizens and borrow from China and Saudi Arabia to build windmills that cannot provide power when there's no wind and nature walks for greens who think Central Park is a wilderness.

But the majority of electoral college and a majority of US voters chose this route. I've been soundly told by my Dem. friends that this program--whatever it is and it really has no rational basis--will save *the little guy* from losing his job and his house. How?

I would venture to say the gov't has never saved any individual little guy from anything. Reagan said the gov't is an ax not a filet knife, and the Big Bro O and his Ivy brethren are not middle class oriented and wouldn't know a poor person if they weren't employing illegal immigrant nannies.

Texans
I can hunt, grow my own garden, and have both mechanical inclination and enough ingenuity to fix my own things pretty well. So succession wouldn't bother me as much as some, like those in Houston, San Antonio and Austin. That's another reason to like living in the country. What I do worry about:

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:14 PM

By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size

A new report from the U.S. Army War College discusses the use of American troops to quell civil unrest brought about by a worsening economic crisis.

The report from the War College’s Strategic Studies Institute warns that the U.S. military must prepare for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.”
more http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/military_domestic_use/200 8/12/23/164765.html?s=al&promo_code=763E-1

Do you really think the Federal Government will use the US Military against us? If they do, do you think enough of the military would join any such resistance, or serve the POTUS?

MSM
I know that John makes a pretty good buck at ABC so I cannot figure out how he is the only one in any MSM position who thinks the way he does.

No one that I have seen on TV could hold up under Stossel's line of reason in a fair debate. So the media has to make the debate unfair, by making sure John is out numbered by everybody else to one. The question is, why? What if it were the other way around? What if there were ten Stossels to one or two socialists on TV all the time? Our battle is really against a bunch of socialists who understand that controlling the media is the easiest way to control the country.

You folks in Texas who keep talking about secession had better hurry up. Florida used to be a nice friendly southern state. Now? We were too friendly for too long. If you guys decide to go can I go with you? I'm not a Texan but I have several generations of Southern credentials.

foolish little people
When are you knuckle dragging buffoons going to get your minds out of the 19th century and wake up to the modern world? Economic thought that puts every man for himself creates nothing but chaos for society. Getting government off the back of business created the current economic situation, not the creation of the CRA 30 years ago. Let's see if Palin's still popular in Alaska next year when the revenues from oil have dropped through the floor. Government is the solution.

We need a system that is loose enough to encourage creativity and entrepreneurial attempts and success, yet strict enough to prevent the financial meltdown we currently have. Wall St. sure as heck will not police its own. Government is the solution.

Far from being a traitor to his class, FDR ensured for 80 years the upper class would flourish. When the depression began, the upper class in this country was terrified a socialist upheaval similar to Europe's would engulf their fortunes. Government was the only institution big enough to prevent that.

Listening to you whiners, every other person is lazy, stupid, and dishonest. No, they are not. Yes, there is an element in our society that will always fail. Your solution is to let them starve and mine is to put them on the dole. My solution will ultimately succeed while yours must fail. My solution is Christian, what is yours?

Hawkeye58, I'm with you.
The only problem though is what do we do with Austin? I live in the People Republic of Austin and work with alot of left leaning liberals who truly think that come January 20th all will become right with the world. These are people we could not depend on to pull their own weight if Texas seceded.

For What Ails Us
Sometimes when you're very sick you eventually realize that you must take drastic action. You don't want to do it, but you must for your long term comfort.

So, you go into the bathroom and stick your finger down your throat. It's painfull, but afterwards you know you did the right thing.

American conservatives have had a political finger stuck down their throats. It's called communism. We have to have it so that we can perhaps put this left-right argument to rest. Let's see how Americans like 1 21% prime rate and double digit unemployment like we had under Jimmy Carter.

Let's have a good dose of total government control of our economy so that we have massive shortages, long lines for everything and all sorts of deprivation.

America has become a nation of welfare recipients, cripples, beggars, free loaders, serfs and slaves. Thus, they have to be handled like helpless farm animals who can't fend for themselves.

See the millions of deluded slaves kneel before their Messiah and clamor for free food, free houses, free medical care, college tuitions, and bailouts.

Eventually, the money will dry up and then this pathetic failed state is going to go through some very tough times. And then they will know what communism means and perhaps the allure of free everthing will tarnish.

It's tough, but we have to go through it.

"Virtual secession" . . .
can be done. Physical secession is too messy and results in armed conflict (American "civil war"). With today's encryption systems and computers and internet, it should be possible to do some true "withholding" (from government, that is). The feds will NEVER promote a "tax holiday" because it would show people how much is being confiscated. Like minded individuals and businesses--what do you think. Let's get the ball rolling on this.

Secede

I would support an effort to have my state withdraw from the union if it would lead to a restoration of constitutional principles, fiscal responsibility and an abandonment of judicial activism.

Merry Christmas. It's not going to be a Happy New Year.

Opportunity or smoke screen?
Remember that Obama is a community organizer. He has hung out with radicals and communists. I think he is going to use this economic crisis as an excuse to radically change America. He wants to act quickly so that he can institute these changes before we know what hit us.

Common sense and saving grace
Stossel's comments and encapsulation of the lessons of history are on-point and brilliant. This article should be on the front page of every newspaper in America, and distributed over the internet to all who read!!

Incredible Arrogant Conceit! 2
We the people are supposed to guide our own destiny with interest and active participation in the politics of the country. Prudence and a conservative stance are required. We vote for politicians who do our bidding not the other way around and a sense of entitlement at the expense of others is not a consideration. “Keeping our powder dry” for future emergencies is essential; another words a healthy reserve in economic and military might is necessary. We the people are doing none of these things and we make ourselves very vulnerable to our enemies and we are mortgaging our futures on borrowed moneys that we don’t control. It’s time to get our internal house in order. That is a nation of strength; the one we have now is an obese Baby Huey waiting to be knocked over with a feather (one of its own at that).

Questions, rhetorical questions: Will the taxpayer, who is being saddled so far with a mindboggling 8.5 trillion dollar bailout ever get reimbursed? If so, how? The way I understand it so far is that money is being showered on these greedy incompetents/crooks on Wall Street with little assurance that we’ll recoup anything. I bet government can’t even track and account, accurately if at all, where the moneys are going and for what. Even if moneys will be repaid, it will be to the U.S. Treasury and, to my knowledge, no provisions in the bailout legislation addresses how the moneys returned to the treasury will be repatriated back to the taxpayer. What I strongly suspect will happen is that if by a miracle any moneys flows back into government coffers the temptation by the politico thieves will be to use the moneys to fund their programs or as a sludge fund to bail out some other government caused disaster without any of it ever returned to the originator, the taxpayer. I feel the shackles being clapped on my ankles and wrists already!

Incredible Arrogant Conceit!
Do Worry About the Deficit. These IDIOTS have it 100% wrong! Their harebrained theories completely go against realistic expectations. When the odds are grossly against you then you do not raise the stakes unless you're a real glutton for punishment. This bailout is nothing but an advance taxing scheme that we and our children will be saddled with for years to come.

Only consistent discipline to the set of core values Conservatives believe in and the will to aggressively but responsibly promote and realize them will do…if we don’t want the country to fall in a state of putrid decline.

The Federal Reserve is NOT a viable rescue mechanism for a tanking economy; it actually can only have a very minimal effect on the mega systemic aberration caused by the crooks of Wall Street (and the enabler: Government). There’s nothing backing the Federal Reserve other than the soundness of the economy. When the economy is on an even keel the Fed can make small corrections. But when the economy is in free fall it has no positive effect, rather it will absolutely make the economy worse. Now the Fed wants to be “the tail wagging the dog”. What morons! Run them all out on a rail!


Old Tom in TN wrote
"This arrogant jerk will ruin us. The misguided minions that he leads are well on their way to destroying all that this country was founded upon."

Tom, you made a mistake in presuming that bh0's minions are "misguided"--since you actually stated their primary goal!

get the government out of the way
It amazes me that so-called intellectuals can't see the direct correlation between free markets and lower and middle class wealth.

Curiouser and curioser
"Painful crisis also provides us with an opportunity to transform our economy to improve the lives of ordinary people,"

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."



It's becoming increasingly difficult for me, the more informed I get on a wide range of topics involving the development of our current situation on an equally wide range of issues, to dismiss the conspiracy theorists as merely "kooks".

John Stossel
Another well written and insightful column. Unfortunately, the liberals always believe they are just one more piece of legislation away from utopia. Teachers have spent great effort over the last few decades trying to indoctrinate the children into believing the exact opposite of what you and I believe in. And it appears to be working.

I certainly hope those people who spent the last few years decrying the excessive spending of the republican congress and president will jump up and scream even louder when the proposed Obama spending is being rammed through congress. My bet is they really like it as long as it has a politically correct title and serves their interests like strangling the economy to save the planet from average temperature fluctuations.

"signs of recovery had jeopardized...
...his reform plans by removing the sense of emergency"

much like the recent drop in oil prices. the left demonized all involved with those high prices (except the taxers), while not-so-secretly rejoicing in the boost it gave to 'green energy' and other schemes of dubious value. now they're bummed out that joe & jane lunchbucket can actually afford not to suffer the inconvenience, of public transportation, hybrid micro-mobiles, etc., etc., etc....

Obama
Obama will not be able to change much due to the economy. It really doesn't matter which party is in control, they're both the same party of people anyway. The goal of both parties is re-election, not serving the people. Ron Paul was laughed at, maybe deservedly so, but most of his ideas would get America back on track. Unfortunately, we are a nation obsessed with controlling the freedoms of others. Control taxation and you control the government. It's our money....

It's Congress folks
Again, we concentrate on the Messiah rather than work where we can do some good. Communicate with your Representative and Senators! Mr. Obama will try to weave his magic cloak for the next four years or so. Let's strengthen the woof and warp of the nation by insuring our representatives actually represent our values and hopes. The Presidency is only as strong as the perception we believe. It's the Congress folks!

Bravo, Stossel!
Well done! The reason Obama is even in power is that Bush and the Republican Party have been busy for the past eight years defining "conservatism" out of existence.

It used to be that "conservatives" believed in a small, limited central government. Bush and the R's increased the rate of government spending far more than even Clinton.

It used to be that "conservatives" believed in fiscal responsibility. Bush and the R's have have printed funny money like never before, crashing the value of the dollar.

And finally, "conservatives" used to believe in a non-interventionist foreign policy. As the Founders said, we need to keep out of the petty squabbles of the rest of the globe and concentrate on making a free and prosperous society here. Bush has wasted half a trillion dollars and over four thousand American lives (as well as perhaps a million Iraqi lives), trying to establish his precious outpost for American interventionism in the Middle East.

I can only hope the Republican Party will die a quick death, and be replaced by a party that actually stands by the conservative principles outlined above.

As a libertarian, I could vote for such a party.

The problem with Partisans
At the core of this is the "assumption" that the economy we had for the last 12 years was sound, when it fact, it was not. The Fed's policies of interest manipulation designed to avoid mini-recessions led first to a stock market boom and bust, followed now by a real estate and commodity boom and bust. In the last 8 years, we watched the Federal Government add 80% - or $4.2 trillion to our national deficit, and now, we've watched a GOP administration toss $350 B to the banks and others and ask for another $350 B, and the Fed increase it's book of business from $800 B to $2.1 trillion - or by $1.3 trillion - all in the last 90 days.

So some are insisting that Obama, with his $850 B stimulus package, of which 1/3 is tax cuts (which every good Conservative would normally like), and the rest is whatever - will beat the Bush Record. However, that depends solely on whether or not those making this claim decide that the Bush-Paulson bank, insurance and auto bailout belongs to them - or to Obama. Less the tax cuts, after all, Obama's stimulus will run $275 B per year for two years - for a total of $550 B, which must them be compared to the $700 B that Bush-Paulson decided to give away.

Such is the irony. And, of course, we aren't talking about a "McCain Administration". If we were, then given McCain supported the $700 B bank, insurance and the auto bailout, as well as a mortgage relief program that was estimated to cost $300 B to $400 B, along with tax cuts and further stimulus - it would be fascinating to read these boards had he actually been elected.

Fortunately for those who wish to claim that Obama's plans are the problem - he wasn't. After all, those claiming the GOP was the right hand on this tillar would indeed be twisting very slowly in the wind.

Which is the problem with partisans.


Vitaglubet, you sound like a student of
Rothbard.

Speaking of Rothbard, the on-line version of his book "The Great Depression" is available free of charge at http://www.mises.org

Let's Not Forget
That since congress rushed the TARP legislation through so fast they did not put any effective control provisions in it, now Dianne Feinstein and Olympia Snowe threaten new legislation. As usual, their threats are as empty as their heads!

Someone needs to save us from ......
Mr. Stossel. Good points! In summary, I think someone needs to save us from the arrogance of those who want to save us!

Vitaglubet

Your point is well taken.

joe_america: Excellent point!

"Congress needs to heed their own advice:"

We now have an unemployment rate HIGHER than it's been in 30+years, and Congress is voting
THEMSELVES PAY RAISES!

And these same intellectually limited liberals who have been whining and crying and complaining about the big dollars Pres. Bush has been spending (which COULD NOT HAVE BEEN SPENT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF CONGRESS!) don't seem to understand that the spending Bozo Obama has planned, by comparison, will make Pres. Bush look like the biggest penny-pinching, tight-wad to have ever walked the face of the earth.

And then, there's my personal favorite of the week, the Obama's family vacation in HI, reportedly at one of THE MOST EXPENSIVE RENTALS in HI.

How many people have lost their jobs again?????

And where are the "greenies?" How about the carbon foot print left by his jet to and from HI, carrying how many people??

Just an example of things to come.....

"Do as we tell you, not as I do!"


That is unadulterated arrogance and conceit!

Govt is a Fat-Fingered Lummox
Stossel's point can be summed in the subject above. Just as a fat-fingered lummox is good for breaking down walls, hauling cement, etc., so government is good at only forcing specific outcomes.

But when it comes to complex outcomes with tradeoffs, that lummox might as well be performing eye surgery. Complex outcomes are best left to market forces, so complex yet benificent no single person or cabal can understand them.

Arrogance
As Bush and his plan of nation building before him, Obama and his staff believe that they can control the whims and thoughts of people. Leave the free market system alone and it will bounce back. The only thing I look for this administration to do is somehow make it worth while to bring back manufactoring to this country. I really don't care how, raise tariffs, give tax breaks, but those manufactoring jobs were the backbone of the blue collar middle class.

Obama
This arrogant jerk will ruin us. The misguided minions that he leads are well on their way to destroying all that this country was founded upon.
The next four years may well prove how stupid we have become in electing a "leader" such as he.
The platforoms of the Demoncrats and Obamanites offer nothing but destruction.
But maybe once I lose my job I can look to "The One" to supply my needs amd I won't have to work any more to pay my financial obligations.
Abortions will rid the country of undesirables who bleed off the economy and the left-wingers will solve all the problems of the world and I won't have to worry about making a living to heat and cool my cave while my sons dress and act like women and my daughters dress and act like men.
Familial arrangements and lifestyles will become such that we really don't know what our responsibilites are other than we exist.
But "The One" will pay my bills.

Smash The Presses
The mess we are in will not get fixed until we smash the printing presses the government uses to print more and more dollars that will eventually be worthless. Real money, that is money linked directly to a commodity and that is completely convertible, is the only thing that keeps a government even minimally honest. As long as the government can play games by creating money out of thin air the only direction our economy can take is down.

Congress has waved it's magic wand and trillions of dollars has appeared. This is going to get really ugly.

Forgetful?
"Stunned" has it right. Have you forgotten already John that we just had an election where 52% of us voted for using someone else's dime to live on. More precisely; there are more tax consumers than tax payers. That seems to portend a real dilemma.

Aren't WE the probem?
We want our color TVs and microwave ovens. Everyone should get to vacation in Hawaii. Everyone should go to college (on someone else's dime) Everyone should have Ted Kennedy Health Care (on someone else's dime). Everyone should be able to retire at 55 in the lap of luxury. When do we get real and slash that budget to the core? We're still spending over $300 Billion on welfare! And after the last 14 years, does it really matter if our leader has an R or D after their title???

Congress needs to heed their own advice:
Take a pay CUT until the economy recovers! Perhaps then they will take the more effective path instead of the easy path.

Obama's promise
actually is, "We will create or keep 3 million jobs...". Notice the keep portion of that statement. That way even if 2 million additional jobs are lost on his watch he can always say, "Well, um, uh, 5 million jobs would have been lost, um, uh, if we hadn't implemented our plan."

Change for the sake of...what exactly?
The plans are far scarier than letting the economy tank. Does anyone realize how deep into our pockets the plan will reach?

We remain unserious people in a serious world where mediocrity is the goal.

How utterly tedious these do-gooders are.

A Fateful Year
This year will forever be known as the year journalism finally became the Democrat Government Business like Pravda or Tass.

It will also be know as the year greediness killed the goose that laid the golden egg. We may never recover from the damage done by the Democrat and Republican Parties.

Obama lacks what it takes.

Clearly Obama lacks what it takes.

He comes out and announces his program, as a goal will create 2.5 million new jobs during his first two years.

What he neglected to include was that if he did nothing 2.5 millino new jobs will be created anyway. That is what the U.S. economy creates with or without any federal intervention.

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