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Wednesday, July 02, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dire News from My Colleagues
by John Stossel
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"It's been described as the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression. And it brings with it grave dangers for all American families ... ," said Martin Bashir on "Nightline." "Recession looms .... "

On the "Today" show June 20, David Faber referred to "the recession ... these tough economic times." Yet that very day first-quarter GDP was revised upward again to 1 percent.

America is not in recession, and who knows -- maybe we'll be less likely to have one if my compatriots would just chill. A recession is defined as two quarters of negative economic growth. We haven't even had one quarter of negative growth.

Yes, growth has slowed, and many people are suffering because of falling home prices and higher food and energy prices. These are real problems, but watching TV, you'd think we were in a recession so severe it must be compared to the Great Depression.

Maybe I was just watching at the wrong times and just catching some outliers? No. A study by the Business and Media Institute (BMI) found that ABC, CBS and NBC regularly "hyped similarities to the Great Depression."

BMI took a novel approach. It compared the economic-news coverage by the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post from Oct. 28 to Nov. 3, 1929, around the time of the stock market crash, with the coverage by ABC, CBS and NBC from March 13 to 19 of this year.

"The difference between how the 1929 and 2008 media handled a crisis was profound -- with modern journalists hyping every event." Today's coverage is much more alarmist. In 2008, few reporters pointed out "the differences between today's economy and the nation's darkest economic years, or bothered to note that America is not in a depression."

So let me stop here to repeat that. We are not in a depression. We are not even in recession. Get a grip, guys. We ought to point out that whatever today's problems bring, we are far away from reliving the Depression.

As Amity Shlaes points out in her book "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression" -- which has just been released in paperback -- by November 1933, unemployment had skyrocketed to over 23 percent. Think about that: 5 percent unemployment today vs. 23 percent during the Depression. Amidst today's talk of stock market "collapse," remember that during the Depression, the Dow plummeted to 90, a loss of nearly 75 percent of its previous value. "This downturn is to the Depression as a drizzle is to Katrina," says Shlaes, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "In the Depression, America confronted deflation. There literally wasn't enough money. People made their own scrip, Monopoly money, to pay their bills. In Utah, they made a currency called the Vallar. Today, we are in an inflation. If this period is like anything, it is like the 1970s."

Positive news doesn't fit the narrative. On a day the Dow rose, writes BMI's Dan Gainor, ABC "Reporter Dan Harris seemed puzzled during the ... broadcast of 'World News with Charles Gibson' when he asked: "The sky is not falling. Why not?"

All three major broadcast networks are culpable. But BMI says CBS was the worst. That's typical when it comes to economic coverage, BMI added. "Business reporter Anthony Mason was even called 'the grim reaper' by his own anchor Katie Couric." "Early Show" co-host Julie Chen talked about "a world financial crisis" as if a "crisis" was just a given.

The state of economic reporting in this country is abysmal. We might laugh at it if it didn't have bad consequences. But the more people hear such inappropriate comparisons, the more apt they are to believe them and change their behavior accordingly -- investing less and taking fewer economic risks -- thereby aggravating bad economic conditions.

No wonder, as the Associated Press reported, "U.S. consumers are the gloomiest they've been since the tail end of the last prolonged recession."

I am not saying the 1929 coverage was great; looking back, much of it was naive. I'm also not saying there are no economic problems today. But today's problems are no excuse for reporters to make glib comparisons to the Great Depression.

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John S.
It continues to amaze me that this man has a position in the MSM. He continues to point out the inanities of his colleagues and yet gets a paycheck...incrdible!

He must have some pictures.

Rose colored glasses
No one wants to be responsible for national economic problems, it makes the voters angry. Politicians have massaged the numbers so thoroughly we are hard pressed to have an economic down turn, let alone a recession or, god forbid, a depression. We, as individuals may experience it, but Government figures will tell us things are just rosy.

Republican greed has darn near destroyed this country and there is no way or where for them to hide.

Cooked numbers & fools who believe them
Here's the problem: in the mid 1990's the BLS dramatically change the way they compute and report the CPI. If you use the same method of calculating the CPI as before the changes and then applied these inflation rates to the GDP you will get that we have had negative growth for most of the 21st century.

Why is it that you genius reporters NEVER mention that this radical change to the calculation of the numbers that you are holding on to with your fingernails took place?

In these kind of errors the fault is either due to stupidity or malice. Tell me which it is?

to Bleeding Heart Liberal
Those blasted greedy republicans...always giving people their taxes back, always ready to help make it easier for everyday people to go into business or invest their money. Those zany republicans who are always wanting to let people keep what they earn...crazy isn't it? And now they are "massaging" numbers whatever that means. As if they could fudge GDP or unemployment rates. Outrageous! I'll admit, things are more exspensive than they used to be, but I still have a job and so does my husband and so do all of our friends. So as long as we spend our money on food instead ov video games, I think we'll be alright. Don't you?

smoss
What is BLS? Is that like BCS? ? Always changing the rules?

Tell it like it is, baby...
Is it any wonder that most of the MSM are economically illiterate? That they come from Schools of Journalism taught by Marxist agitators? That their whole purpose for becoming journalists is birthed in a worldview that is staunchly anti-capitalist and steeped in morale relativism?

Thanks John Stossel for your clarity and common sense. As the first blogger wondered, just how do you keep your job in the MSM world of infotainment?

Smoss and your cooked numbers...
The Bureau of Labor and Statistics (BLS) has altered the way it computes CPI, leaving out food and energy prices, which does underestimate inflation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=903947 02

But to suggest that we have had negative growth for most of the 21st century is patently absurd. The only proper word to describe economic growth in the 21st century is "unprecedented", which is a fancy word which means, "never accomplished before".

Please learn something about economics before you start trying to educate people about something you obviously don't understand.

It's such a tired old template
The media has an agenda, I can't pretend to always know what it is. But I suspect that if I paid more attention, it would come to me eventually.

The media acts as though it hates conservatives, even identifies republicans as conservative. Yet, since the "contract with America" I haven't seen any indication that the republicans are conservative.

There doesn't seem to be much difference to me.

It's sad really...

...on the one hand, we've got marxists who think that coercively distributing the cost of health care, education, subsistence and retirement for non-producers is the answer. (and let's not forget 'rearranging property titles').

...on the other hand, we've got neo-conservatives (liberals who like guns and babies) on the right, who think that coercively distributing the cost of health care, education, subsistence and retirement for non-producers is the answer.

And both sides seem to want to redistribute my income in the form of corporate welfare (after laundering it through "foreign aid").

I can't argue that we're in great shape. After all, washington has been counterfeiting so fast, for so long, that the federal reserve corporations IOUs have "invisibly" taxed my net worth away.

Perhaps someone will come along and discover the Constitution...or perhaps we'll have to force it upon them.

Core inflation
Murphdog: It doesn't alter the way it reports. It reports "core" inflation, which leaves out food and gas since those prices fluctuate a lot more than other prices. In a time when food and gas are getting more expensive on a sustained basis instead of a month-to-month fluctuation, core inflation underestimates the impact on consumers. But the "inflation rate" that is reported in the news is NOT the core inflation rate. The core inflation rate is listed separately and labeled as such.

BHL: It wasn't until the Democrats took control of the House and the Senate that gas prices went through the roof and the economy started to grow slower (note the use of the term "grow slower" rather than "go into recession" since as Stossel correctly pointed out, we are not in a recession). That doesn't fit your story about evil Republicans, but gosh darn if it ain't true.

It isn't about economics
It's about ideology.

Let's set aside, for the moment, that the talking heads are completely ignorant about the "financial news" they report (along with history, foreign policy and the culture). They are following a script. They are told what to report and how for the sole purpose of advancing an agenda, that has little to do with what is good for the country.

There are good and sound reasons why the ratings of the "news" corporations are in the toilet. It's just where they belong.

You will see an amazing recovery
You will see an amazing recovery if a democrat is elected. The same day all the dinosaur media will suddenly reverse course, and tell us all how great the economy is doing.

.....of course the actual facts won't have changed at all, and the economy will begin to get worse as the new policies take hold.

The dinosaur media in this country is a joke, and their declining ratings prove that more and more people are realizing it.

I want you to get what's comming to you
Despite fact and reason, Americans seem to believe that they are entitled to low, static prices. Even more bizarrely, Americans seem to believe that the federal government can provide them. This kind of up-the-rectum understanding of economics leaves me incapable of pitying Americans of the dire consequences that must result from the following policies:

1. Raising taxes, increasing borrowing and spending wildly;
2. Imposing wage and price controls;
3. Subsidizing failing businesses while strangling foreign trade;
4. Ensnaring businesses in a tangle of regulations that kills many of them off, particularly the small ones;
5. Ensnaring the labor markets in a tangle of regulations that destroy jobs and leave human capital fallow and barren;
6. Destroying incentives to save, invest, work and take risks, thereby destroying the vital dynamic forces that grow the economy;
7. Etc., etc. and many more.

You will get what's coming to you, my dear countrymen, and you will deserve it. Perhaps then you will learn that you are you own worst economic enemies.



Red Journalism
In 1898 the U.S. went to war with Spain in what was later labeled the Spanish-American War. Yellow Journalism is blamed by history for that war, specifically Rudolph Hearst who actually bragged about it.

Today we have “Red Journalism”. Since the 30s they have been working to support socialism. In the late 60s they added pacifism to the mix. In other words, they have become a tool of the Democrat Party. If we had a real FEC every news broadcast would be considered an “in-kind” contribution to either the Democrat Party or one of it’s candidates.

When you throw in their need to make everything seem like a catastrophe what you wind up with a “we are all doomed to die a horrible and disease-ridden death as long as Bush is in the White House. (That is if Global Warming doesn’t kill us all first)

This is something we all should think about on July 4th. Is this what millions of Americans have fought and died for in freedom of the press?

And Fox is not much better.

govt lowballs inflation rate.
All administrations purposely underestimate the rate of inflation.

They have a vested interest in doing so.

C.O.L.A.s. Cost of Living Adjustment.

Government salary, pensions, social security, are all getting yearly cost of living adjustments.

It is based either on some supposedly "official" rate of infation, or consumer price index, whichever is less, I think.

Government obviously has a vested interest in "lowballing" this adjustment, given the tenss of millions of Americans who get these adjustments.

But many in the private sector probably don't get any "c.o.l.a.s" at all.

Disagree a little with Stossel. We may not see a depression, but could see stagnant growth, at best, and it could last for decades.

I fear the high cost of energy, especially gasoline, is here to stay, even tho I love my big engine pickup truck, and this energy cost will permeate thru the economy, degrading American purchasing power and in effect lowering living standards.

But I don't see a depression either.

No COL rate is accurate
None of the COL calculations are accurate for everyone. I have seen advocates go both ways with some saying the government numbers are too low and some saying they are too high. Those who bemoan the fact that the government changes the items in the mix that is used to calculate it should stop and think about what they are saying. Should we include the cost of buggy whips in the index when due to advances in technology nobody uses buggy whips?

In any case if you wish for a true cost of living change you have to keep detailed records of your own expenses and the cost of those items that you are spending money on.

For example, you may be spending as much as 40% to 50% of your income on house payments, but if you don’t move every year that will not change regardless of how much the average house payment goes up. However, if you are renting and your payment goes up 10% every year that makes a big difference.

There are a few things that make up almost everyone’s core expenses. Those are taxes, housing, utilities, food, and transportation. Those in the suburbs will show increases in food and transportation. Those in urban areas will only show increases in food. New home buyers will be impacted by housing.

Everyone will show increases in taxes here shortly. My property taxes have increased at a rate more than twice the core rate of inflation and are continuing to increase yet taxes are not included in the calculation. I wonder why?

Stan
You are so right. If Obama gets elected, the economy will make an amazing recovery...in the MSM. Within a year or so though, the increased taxes, illegal aliens, disappearing jobs will get to Mr and Mrs Sixpack, and possibly a correction might begin.

RCB
Too true, my friend. The saddest possibility is that the voters that voted themselves into the soup may learn nothing from it. If they do we can pull out of it. If they continue to try to vote themselves rich with their own money, its curtains.

Vic
Good morning. I'm back from a mini-vacation over in Orlando. My nickname reverted to Lilys, due, i think, to a computer crash from a lightning strike. I'm back on the air as Pistol. Your #15 shows great good sense. Inflation and depression are individual, and if each citizen calculated as you suggest, and voted sensibly according to the trends in his life, we would soon be in much better shape. But with an incredible number of people apparently believng statemensts like "We can't drill our way out of an oil shortage. We are going to tax our way to prosperity", the future is not hopeful.

Lazy journalists, and...
lazy consumers of news.

Let's face it: Economics is a tough subject. And it's far easier to let pundits score points via ten second soundbites than to undertake any meaningful examination, much less analysis, of the facts.

Today's journalists are a pretty shallow lot; much like their customers.

Well know communistic tactic ....
It is a well know communistic to repeat a lie long enough and loud enough until people begin to believe it. Obviously you do not have to be a communist to use this tactic. Just look at the far left liberals and especially the news media! And so many other sountries - especially dictatorships! Also, less we forget, there could be & probably are a bunch of communists in our liberals and news media! Think about that for a while

Pistol
LOL, you should be able to reload everything and come back as your old name. It's getting hard to keep track of where and who you are.

Why TX now instead of FL?

Vic
Don't ask me what's going on, if i knew i'd be dangerous. Tx is where my sister lives, i was using her email address for a while, its a mess. My computer geek is due is a couple hours to fix something for the missus. I'll ask him to reload windows. I think you are on to something there.

It's about time
Thank You John
My friends who are not business people
have been repeating this economic "news" and i keep telling them what's really going and they tell
me it's all over the news - we are headed for depression almost
like 1929........Why the scare tactic's? could it be election time?

My husband is .........
........a financial consultant. I ask him stupid questions like, if Wall Street counts on businesses to make money, why do so many of the top brass pour money into the raise tax dems campaigns? He doesn't know, maybe Stossel can explain that one to us. The sky is not falling. Let's bring in the Sat. Night Live lady, uhh, nevermind.

ABC
Yesterday while listening to the Sean Hannity show I was introduced to Barry Farber and became an instant fan. He was making the same point. The media is not held to high standards. The media is not held accountable for half truths. The media is irresponsible. It is time for the media to be taken to court for misrepresentation of information for political reasons.
Here is an example: ABC took a poll of 60 soldiers asking for who they would vote.
The results were 54 votes for McCain, 3 for Obama, and 2 for Hillary. The votes for McCain were completely ignored.
The next day on the news it was reported this way.
They interviewed 5 soldiers. 3 said they would vote for Obama and 2 said they would vote for Hillary.
Who will take these perverters of information to task?
In war time isn't propaganda a weapon?
Is the media in a war against the USA?

ABC (correction)
Subject: ABC
Yesterday while listening to the Sean Hannity show I was introduced to Barry Farber and became an instant fan. He was making the same point. The media is not held to high standards. The media is not held accountable for half truths. The media is irresponsible. It is time for the media to be taken to court for misrepresentation of information for political reasons.
Here is an example: ABC took a poll of 60 soldiers asking for who they would vote.
The results were 54 votes for McCain, 3 for Obama, and 2 for Hillary.
The next day on the news it was reported this way.
They interviewed 5 soldiers. 3 said they would vote for Obama and 2 said they would vote for Hillary. The votes for McCain were completely ignored.
Who will take these perverters of information to task?
In war time isn't propaganda a weapon?
Is the media in a war against the USA?

Stossell Unemployment Line
How does this guy stay out of the Unemployment line at the news network? Another grand slam home run. John Stossel one of the top folks here at Townhall, along with Drs Williams and Sowell..and of course Mr. Elder. I chuckle with these mother's basement livin, psuedo-econ experts that always seem to place their 2 cents in regardless of their political slant.
This economy is bad for people who think like consumers, but real investors are having a field day. It is like a fire sale for this folks.

Depression
Even the Great Depression has been twisted and distorted by the modern media. What should have simply been a "bad recession" or a "panic" as is was commonly known at the time, was made much worse by the policies put in place by both Hoover AND FDR. Also, the new Federal Reserve banking system, instituted in 1913, tried to "Manage" the economic slide with almost perfect ineffectiveness. The private banking system, which had weathered numerous previous economic slides was rendered largely ineffective by the "new" Federal Reserve.

All-in-all, the media are both illiterate and innumerate when it comes to economic history.

Tired old template
As someone else already mentioned. It is an election year and the MSM is running up the points for the democrats, gloom and doom. Nothing new here. The same canards being put forth by some columnists here focused on conservatives. It will be the end of the world if Obama is elected. The MSM does the same thing to the public at large in the general election. The world will end as we know it if a republican is elected. What is the standard bump? Like twenty points or so? Enough to turn a blowout into a real race every time.

Stossel probably keeps his job because he is a libertarian and thus a protected minority to some extent. I hope I am not disappointed with a pro McCain column any time.

Hold them accountable
We constantly hear of libs wanting to hold the President, VP, SECDEF, whoever accountable for lieing the country into a war. How about holding the MSM accountable for lieing the country into a recession? When the MSM reports something which is false and I change my behaviour based on that falsehood the MSM should be held accountalble. Don't give me any of that drivel about a free press. Free press does not give one the right to lie or mislead. If I slander you and your reputation suffers you have a right to restitution. The same should be with the consumers of news. A local TV news dept brags about how they dont just give the facts but get to the heart of the story. What exactly does that mean? How about giving the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and let me make the decision. If a corporation gets cute with the accounting they are held responsible the same standard should apply to the media. To this day CBS has not been held accountable for the lies they told about the President's military record. They need to be made to pay.

Vic & "Red Journalism".
Spot on, my friend. The Fourth Estate has been carrying the water for the Stalinist's since the 1930's. My grandfather was a Hollywood studio union carpenter, and an FBI informant. I never knew him but my mother kept his "secret" journals. Newspaper reporters were the most common contacts between the Reds in the unions and Communist Party. Gen. Sherman was right when he referred to reporters as, "Spies" during the Civil War.

Furthermore, I believe that they now continue their perversions against this country by mere habit than by directive. Global Warming, no Nuclear power, no drilling for oil, all these policies smack of the same Stalinist policies meant to curtail the US economy and to enable the USSR to catch up and surpass the US. This is now just instinct, though they have forgotten the origins of this behavior.

ABC GMA
Robin Dimwit was interviewing Johnny Mac this morning.She asked what he was doing in Columbia.He explained to her about the drug problem and trade with them.She then said why are you there when the economy was so bad here.He said do I have to repeat what I just said? These people have no clue.

Not about economics
The MSM have been beating the drums for a recession for over two years. It's not that they want a recession; they want voters to THINK there is a recession so they will vote for Democrats out of anger at Republicans. The MSM are just the propaganda arm of the DNC.

It's everyone else's fault
When conservative policies blow up in the country's face, why is it someone else's fault? If, according to the movie "Wall Street", Greed Is Good, why are people moaning about the economy now?

In the 80s we had the Savings and Loan debacle (Ronnie and "government is the problem"). GWB's brother made out in that one.

This decade we first had Enron (directly under GW)that literally raped California while most of the nation said its our fault. Never mind a little market manipulation without government oversight (less government or government off the back of business - the conservative mantra).

We have the mortgage meltdown without government oversight(less government or government off the back of business - all on GW's watch).

We have energy spiraling upward and hold your breath until it stops. All with less government and keeping government off the back of business.

I can hardly wait until even conservatives have to admit the economy has crashed, and then have to blame the government.

I have heard and read Conservatives whine about how GW is a Rino or not really a conservative or not what we thought he was. He is exactly what I thought he was 8 years ago when the conservative movement rejoiced at his election.

Greed is good

Free market economy

Smaller government

Get the government off the backs of business

It's all the MSM's fault

The fundamentals of the Stock Market are sound

Right.
Keep saying it. There are some people out there who might believe it.

Cost of living is understated
Glenn Beck (A CONSERVATIVE!) looked into the measure of inflation awhile back and found the true rate of inflation to be between 11% and 14%. Government underestimated inflation so that it can make it seem like its doing a better job then it is.

There is nothing anti-conservative to saying the government underestimates inflation. If anything, it further shows that the government should not be in charge of managing an economy, and instead should only exist to protect our individual freedoms.

BHL
"This decade we first had Enron (directly under GW)that literally raped California while most of the nation said its our fault. Never mind a little market manipulation without government oversight (less government or government off the back of business - the conservative mantra)."

The law that you are siting was deregulation in name only. It actually ADDED 200 pages of regulation.

"We have the mortgage meltdown without government oversight"

The banks that gave out loans wily-nily should be subject to bankruptcy for their failed policies. Regulating entry into the banking sector effectively protects those already there. If you believe banking is unregulated, try renting a corner store in your town and starting a bank.

"We have energy spiraling upward and hold your breath until it stops. All with less government and keeping government off the back of business."

Government is hardly off the back of business (especially industry). To believe that the industries we despise are less regulated then the industries we love requires a perversion of logic or ignoring the the effective entry barriers that set up by regulation that prevent competition.

"I have heard and read Conservatives whine about how GW is a Rino or not really a conservative or not what we thought he was. He is exactly what I thought he was 8 years ago when the conservative movement rejoiced at his election."

Same here. Hence the reason I voted 3rd party in 2000 and 2004.

Call it what you want
We don't usually get our signals from Wall Street as a society because in the past, we reacted to what was reported about Main Street. Well Wall Street is suffering a major earthquake and oil is spiraling upward no credible end in sight. The sunami may not be here yet but more and more people are seeing it coming. For the Fed and Treasury to be telling us to calm down and chill out while they are operating in sheer panic themselves is like being surrounded by family sad but smiling faces after exploratory surgery telling you that everything is going to be alright. Spare me the "technically, we aren't in a recession" talk. Maybe you are right, we aren't in a recession, we are in a depression.

Glib comparisons to the Great Depression
We have gone the longest ever in human history without an economic depression. Does anyone think that paying off your mortgage with your credit cards works out? Well, that is what the world has been doing for the past ten years or so. We may not being taking the same road as past recessions, but we are arriving at the same place for the same reasons. Time to pay the piper.

news ALERT



I just heard General Wesley Clark talk about John Kennedy, and Clark said,

"Well, I don't think riding in a little boat and getting sunk is a qualification to be president."


Bill 9:46 comment
Right on the button. The best reason to fear the next depression is to listen to what all politicians are proposing: more government spending. And we have two presidential candidates who promise to address global warming with that insane Cap and Trade bill. We may not be in a recession yet "technically", but our government is on a mission to get us into a depression in record time.

Bucko
Thanks, I'll bet those journals make facinating reading.

If Obama Wins
There will be an about face on economic reporting. On January 23rd 2009, CBS will begin to air "stories" of "hope", "change", and a "new attitude"; CBS will begin to air nightly new casts that will feature dozens of workers (all registered Democrats, of course) who have benfited jus from the aura of the new President.

Bernecke will all of a sudden discover that the dollar needs support and will gently raise interest rates to 3% (something he refuses to do now); the strengthening dollar will in turn cause oil prices to drop and bingo, Obama will be hailed the next Milton Freidman! Of course some major banks will fail, but CBS and MSNBC will hint that those banks were just stooges for Cheney and Haliburton (despite that most of the Wall St employers are Democrats). Every economic failure will be framed as the GOP getting thier comuppence, and writers like Peggy Noonan will prostrate themselves on the new wunderkind.

By summer, Obama and the Democratic Majority with the MSM will lecture the Americans that not only will Bush's tax cuts expire, but the American people will have to pay-up for thier 8 years of immoral living. New marginal rates increases, cap tax increases, not to mention a "climate change tax" will just be the beginning. Taxes on even benging activity such as internet usage, fast foods, and alcohol will sail through a filibuster proof Democratic Majority.

By autumn, when massive lay-offs occur, and the continuing foreclosures of homes occur, the MSM will announce that Obama has created some 15000000000000 new jobs -all in China of course.

OUR PRESENT GOV'T IS PART OF THE PROBLEM
Think about who wants our economy to tank as result of energy prices or any other reason. Our enemies or countries who dislike us, oil companies and other companies making millions, OPEC (see enemies) making trillions, and those internal enemies who believe we are a terrible nation and deserve to suffer (see democratic leadership).

I hereby implore all states to elect senators and reps who will do our nation's bidding. Stop sending America haters and those who believe unproven environmental concerns. We've experienced so called global cooling, ozone holes, and now global warming. All of which are urban legends. Nevada, come on! Or would you rather have Harry Reid in D.C. rather than Nevada? The only groups who wish to see our economy hit the dirt are America's enemies, abroad and within. American media: Which group are you?

MD/MG
"...I ask him stupid questions like, if Wall Street counts on businesses to make money, why do so many of the top brass pour money into the raise tax dems campaigns? He doesn't know..."

Great question. I have a few thoughts here. One thought is some of these people have grown up in an entitlement world. Not govt. entitlements, but hereditary ones. They are so rich/arrogant/both, and they sound so darn clever with their nuance and counter-intuition at cocktail parties, that they have actually started to think they are wise. Another thought is that big business has invested heavily in lobbying their own little fiefdoms in D.C. They know there will always be special dispensations for them no matter what regulations are passed. They'll even see the new reg's as ways to block out new competitors. For a lot of big businesses today, it is not enough to run your company well, you need to run your lobbying efforts well too.

If you haven't done so-- pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand does a great job of exploring every stripe of statist out there.

BHL has BDS
.

A Different Kind of Depression
Let's get real! The economy is bad and getting worse. The futures market for oil and the resulting energy prices are now driving all economic matters in this country. As long as gas and energy prices continue their manipulated rise, our economy will continue to self-destruct.

Our enemies have us by the throat. The credit markets and the bursting of the housing bubble are just sideshows that will resolve themselves with time, but escalating energy prices may well destroy us.

We cannot even identify the culprits. But, thanks to a totally incompetent government our Republic no longer controls our own fate. Our society and culture is based on a gigantic dependency on energy, energy which we now no longer have any control over.

Most of our working population have no fixed income pensions and have been advised to depend on 401K investments for their long term retirement. Those savings are now being systematically destroyed. The market now responds only to oil prices, financial advisors might as well just quit. The oil futures market speculators are driving the American public into poverty. The US economy is being systematically destroyed and the world understands that we have a government that is unable to act in our own defense.

Our politicians have squandered and locked-up the immense national resources of this country and turned this great Republic into a needy, second rate nation to be easily manipulated by our enemies. Better buy a bike and a bunch of candles, plant a garden, dress warmly. Hell, find a cave.

We will ALL be in a state of
Depression soon.

While the DC politicians, which by the way Lefties is being led by the Dems, re-enact the days of the Fall of Rome We The People are left to try to make ends meet.
We bemoan the high price of gasoline and, though we have every right to do so, nobody is taking note of the FACT that Milk will hit $5 a gallon long before gasoline does!! It is almost there now.

The Dem leaders are about to force us to swallow the Hook, Line & Sinker even though we have resisted the bait of Global Warming. Harry Reid saying - "Coal makes us sick. Oil Makes us sick..." may have been talking about the Dem Party but he fails to mention that Ethanol stands to make them all rich. Thus the adamant refusal to DRILL NOW, DRILL HERE, & SAVE US ALL MONEY!!!

The high cost of goods is directly related to the price of a gallon of gas.
The high cost of groceries attributable to the use of our FOOD SUPPLY to make Bio-Fuel.
General Motors & the entire US Auto industry is in dire straights because trucks & SUVs (their bread & butter) are being shunned.

ALL of this while we SIT ON OIL RESEERVES that could make us independent of any foreign imports!!

Al Gore stands to make a fortune touting Global Warming and selling carbon credits to line his pockets even though it has been a decade since the planets temperature has risen.
Has anyone considered this scam could be big Al's revenge on the country that didn't LET HIM be President?

Granted, we do need to look at alternative energy sources, BUT at present the Left won't discuss Nuclear Power to provide electricity NOR do they have ANYTHING ready to hit the market that would replace oil, coal, gas, or natural gas in the near future.

So it seems the only way to make things better for AT LEAST the short term is to sweep out the do nothing congress and move forward without them.

W/O=

Gil
I partially agree with you. There are certainly numerous media sources who go out of there way to promote the Democrats and trash Republicans at every opportunity. But that's not all that's in play here. The media knows that sensationalism sells. So, instead of reporting the truth about the economy they pretend that the sky is falling and that we are on the verge of the next great depression. Reporting the truth that the economy is still growing but at a much slower pace just isn't exciting enough.

Also, the press considers themselves a watchdog and their main duty is to report corruption in government, so no matter which party is in control, they are eager to jump on scandals etc. For example: Bill Clinton certainly had his share of scandals, but when the media didn't have a fresh scandal to report on, they would make one up. Clinton did some sleazy things but it certainly can't be proven that he did everything the media accused him of doing.

OIL SHALE
Extract oil from the oil shale, drill in ANWR, tell the oil companies the oil will only be used for consumption in the USA, let them make the current net profit percentage, not more since it extracted from lands owned by the American people. Make sure the flow is consistent, then tell OPEC they just lost their biggest customer, and watch the price plummet. Then, work on the alternatives for oil even though the use of oil will always be needed, just drastically reduced once alternatives are produced. Our stock market would turn around and prices across the board would correct. This is dreamland, but sounds great.

Media In Recession
I do believe the MSM has its collective head up the butt of liberalism, but the reporting on the ecomomy may have more to do with their personal fears than with their marxist ideology. Don't forget that the MSM is hurting. Ratings are down. Circulation has plummeted. Many media outlet are in terrible shape. This is the world in which journalists live. They see recession all around themselves and project it on every industry.

Speculation
When someone buys a house with no money down, he is most likely a speculator who plans to flip it for a profit. He is also very likely to walk away from it when the market goes south. We will soon be paying a price for this speculation.

If someone buys oil futures for 5% down, he IS a speculator. He too will walk away when things go south, leaving you and me to pick up the pension fund pieces.

It seems our government wants to stick its nose in every aspect of our life, except the ones that really matter including this nation's financial security.

People believe what they hear: Stossel
Stossel wouldn't admit it, but this is why the conservatives' drumbeat about how the terrorists are praying for a Democrat to become president so they can attack us again is effective. It isn't the truth that's effective, it's the endlessly repeated message of doom and gloom should a Democrat get elected. And it is the MSM which faithfully airs and repeats the drumbeat of conservative fear mongering.

If it works for economics, Stossel, why doesn't it also work for conservative fear mongering about terrorism?

Stossel is simply another conservative enabler.

No Reporting on Obama's Global Poverty T
The MSM is mute on Obama's Senate Bill 2433 - U.N. Global Poverty Tax . Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison says it will come to the floor for vote soon after the July 4th recess. Obama isn’t talking about it either.

The bill states, among other things, that we will promote the Millenium development Goal – which includes "eradication of poverty" by "redistribution (of) wealth and land," cancellation of "the debts of developing countries" and "a fair distribution of the earth's resources." According to Investor’s Business Daily: The goals call for implementing all U.N. treaties that the United States has never ratified, all of which set up U.N. monitoring committees to compromise American sovereignty.

More from IBD: To achieve this level of control over U.S. domestic law, the plan calls for "strengthening the United Nations for the 21st century" by "eliminating" the veto and permanent membership in the Security Council. The goal is to reduce U.S. influence to one out of 192 nations, so we would have merely the same vote as Cuba.

It also taxes the air we fly through, the ocean waters, fossil fuels, currency exchanges, etc. Incredible!

Don’t think this has a chance of getting through the Senate, but just think about it: we have a Presidential candidate who would actually sponsor this bill – and the media will not report it.

Stossel's sane voice on the economy is welcome. As he says, we have not had even one down quarter. Unemployment is almost nil. Most of the economy is doing well unless you live on a coastline.

Maggie Thornton
Maggie's Notebook



Political Truth Serum

Very interesting!

Newsweek-Fellow Americans, I know you worry about the economy. So do I. But, frankly, if you elect me, I won’t do much about it. It’s a $14 trillion economy. Every three months, 7 million Americans change jobs. Presidents aren’t powerful enough to steer this colossus. Sure, we can pass “stimulus” programs, but if we overdo it — as we did in the 1970s — we will make the economy worse. Believe me, presidents would prevent recessions if they could.

What we can do is preserve an economic climate that favors long-term growth. That means holding down the tax burden to maintain incentives for work and investments. We’re already running a $400 billion deficit or so; some broad-based tax increases may be needed. This will disappoint conservatives, who think no one should pay taxes, and liberals, who think only the rich should pay them. But we must also cut spending, because unless we do, the future tax increases will be crushing.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/political-truth-se rum

Proud Liberal
Why would a "proud Liberal" be so consistently against the truth?

The word 'recession' has a meaning. The country is not even close to a recession. Hasn’t been since 9/11.
The press has continued for far too long to lie about what a recession is and the state of the economy in general.

You in particular and Liberals in general (I'm watching Alan Coomes doing it right now) can't seem to discuss any given topic based on any sort of normal rules of argument. Instead all discussion is reduced to logical fallacies (your red-herring here) or simply shouting down opposition.

Today Obama put out an ad in which he claimed to have created welfare reform. This is factually a documentable lie. He opposed it from his Illinois Senate Seat and voted on no part of the bill that was initiated by the Republican's and signed into law by Bill Clinton.
Why lie? Isn’t his real record good enough?

I don’t think any major international corporation would hire him as lead corporate council worthwhile as CEO, yet American’s are in sheep-like fashion seriously considering electing this wildly left-wing man as their Commander-In-Chief.

The result will be the opportunity to see America lose its primacy on the world stage and bankrupt itself to boot.

If you took a few minutes to think about the formation of capital, how it is utilised and how fungible it is, you would not be so keen to think that taxing the brains out of rich people and corporations will yield lower GINI index numbers. The capital needed to continue the growth of America’s economy will be in places like Hong Kong, Singapore and Canada. Places that understand that the most important freedom they have is their economic freedom.

Look to Zimbabwe if you really want to get a glimpse of the glorious revolutionary ‘change’ that Obama really stands for.

Cheers,

Bloefeld

Sports analogy
The American economy is like a world-class athlete with a cramp. The coverage makes it sound as though its a career-ending, life-threatening injury, rather than short-term pain you need to walk-off

Bleeding Heart Liberal
Excellent reasoning! You have created a system under which you cannot be proven wrong.

Don't like the data? Declare it fraudulent and insert your own prejudices as a substitute.

There is no way to argue with you, since you have the right to not only your own opinion, but you get to make up your own facts too.

Brilliant.

Obama's Senate Bill 2433 -
U.N. Global Poverty Tax.

They push eco-friendly energy sources by forcing ethanol upon us which consequently upsets the world's food supply. Now even more people are starving thanks to the liberals. They use their Robin Hood solution...steal from the rich and give to the poor.

I smell a liberal brain fart...just makes me want to load my gun and go shoot a spotted owl.






More concerns
We live in a postmodern world in which language and meaning are moving targets, at least according to some. In other words, what you mean may not be what you mean, depending on what you want to mean at any given moment according to what you said earlier. It all depends on what "is" is. The ultimate master of postmodern language, where meaning changes according to what he wants what he said to mean now is, yep, our one and only Barak Obama. Post modern philosophy exercised in a politician means he can lie but it is not really lying. Because in the end, there really is no such thing as truth. So, folks, Mr. Obama looks like a liar and a changling to most of us who still believe there is such a thing as truth, but Obama does not even believe in truth. So, he can never be lying. But, then he can never be telling the truth either. This is the basis of an absolute dictator, and if we elect him we are in for real change. But when you are standing on a precipice overlooking a 1000ft sheer drop, but held in place by a slim chord, change is NOT what you want. Obama is going to push over the precipice from the distillation of ideas in the market place to his brand of ultimate confusion and ultimately tyranny. He is good at what he does - confuse and obfuscate in the most elegant fashion. I'm not confused. He is a Marxist. I am not. Enough said.

Heck,
According to liberals, we've been in a recession for 8 years now. Their steady drumbeat of negativity has as much to do with anything in people's gloomy outlook. Well libs, you've gotten what you wanted so quit your complaining! Now, if only the war would just go south.....

Hey, what can you expect
The liberal news commentators were raised at their hippy parents' feet who's message was tune in, turn on and drop out. Who condemned the big bad establishment, the military industrial complex as the harbinger of all evil and who's happy days ended with the downfall of Camelot in 1963.

I have a question....
Isn't the government subsidizing the MSM by financing those analog convertors?


c'Rats and Recession
c'Rats always talk down the economy when a Republican is in office, and especially before an election. The more poverty there is in the country, the better things are for them.

The Canard of the Left
No recession is present and no one individual is living his or her life presently that was not predicated by a series of personal decisions for which they now, either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards.

No one can absolve you of your personal choices which lead the life you now live. If you are an individual having a difficult challenge right now financially, it has nothing to do with our government or the economy but everything to do with your inability to manage your finances, your life and your choices.

can you say agenda?
between liberal reporters which want to paint as ugly picture as they can, reporters that love the drama more than the facts and op/ed pieces that now are passed off as news we shouldnt be surprised by any of this. remember the old adage.... say it often and loud enough and folks will begin to believe its a fact

Recession Redefined.
A recession is defined as two quarters of negative economic growth, OR any two quarters prior to an election when a Republican is in the White House.

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Trends
Trend is down. Down, down, down. I really don't care which calculating method is used, the trend is down.

If you think Carter had anything to do with any recession or gas prices, then you have to apply that same logic to Bush. Keep in mind that Bush, Cheney, and all cronies are much richer (oil investments, Halliburton, etc) than just about anyone else in America, and Carter never benefitted.

So what is it? Do the same rules apply to Bush and the horrible mess the Republican congress got us into with their rubber stamp, or is this still (chuckle) the work of Clinton? Maybe if the economy finally rebounds, it will have been Reaganomics finally kicking in (snark).

Pick your rules and stick with it, Repubs. You can argue out both sides of your mouth to yourselves, but at some point you have to present your summary to smart, logical people, i.e., those darn Liberals.

SteveT8 -- WRONG
"A recession is defined as two quarters of negative economic growth, OR any two quarters prior to an election when a Republican is in the White House."

No no no -- it's ANY ONE quarter at ANY TIME when a Republican is in the White House.

Someone noted that news reporting concerning The Homeless® goes up considerably whenever a Republican is president. So what happens when a Democrat wins? Do they all suddenly find homes?

inthemajority
"Trend is down. Down, down, down. I really don't care which calculating method is used, the trend is down."

Actually, it would be more accurate to say the trend is "less up" than we'd like it to be. It ain't "down" until it's "down."


"Keep in mind that Bush, Cheney, and all cronies are much richer (oil investments, Halliburton, etc) ..."

I wish you people would give up this Haliburton garbage. Haliburton made as much money under Clinton with no-bid contracts as they did under Bush, and ALL of Cheney's investments in Haliburton are divested, ESPECIALLY to avoid the SLIGHTEST resemblance to a conflict of interest. He no longer makes a plug-nickel there.

But it doesn't matter, does it? It may be a fantasy to fuss over Haliburton all the time, but it's a useful fantasy. That way you can just keep dissing Republicans without having to ever again use any painful thought processes.

The "depression"
Isn't it interesting that all the gloom and doomers are so much smarter than the people that deal with the economy on a regular basis..... for a living (not the politicians)! A slow-down is just that, slow or stagnant growth. Seems the left can't see the cliff ahead that we all will be pushed over if their tax and spend ideals are implemented. Have any of them come to grips with the fact that the state of California is falling apart fiscally, thanks to the many years of the democrats spending practices? That is the only "depression" in our immediate future.

Wake up!

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