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Thursday, February 12, 2009
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
An Insufficiency of Fear
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- The president, convinced that the only thing America has to fear is an insufficiency of fear, has warned that "disaster" and "catastrophe" are the certain alternatives to swift passage of the stimulus legislation. One marvels at his certitude more than one envies his custody of this adventure.

Certitude of one flavor or another is never entirely out of fashion in Washington. Thirty years ago, some conservatives were certain that their tax cuts would be so stimulative that they would be completely self-financing. Today, some liberals are certain that the spending they favor -- on green jobs, infrastructure and everything else -- will completely pay for itself. For liberals, "stimulus spending" is a classification that no longer classifies: All spending is, they are certain, necessarily stimulative.

At Yale's 1962 commencement, President John Kennedy expressed Washington's recurring confidence in the ability to supplant politics with expertise. As is traditional, Kennedy deplored "traditional labels" and insisted that "differences today" involve not clashes of principles but only "matters of degree." Kennedy argued that "the practical management of a modern economy" is "basically an administrative or executive problem." Congress need not intrude. Because policy issues are "sophisticated and technical questions," demanding "technical answers, not political answers," laypersons could hardly participate in the debate.

In December 1965, John Maynard Keynes, although 19 years dead, was, as today, enjoying one of his recurring resurrections as vindicator of government management of the economy by manipulating "aggregate demand." Keynes' visage was on Time magazine's cover and the accompanying story said that happy days were here again and here to stay.

President Lyndon Johnson was embarked on building the Great Society, assisted by policymakers who, wrote Time, "have used Keynesian principles" to smooth the moderate business cycles and achieve price stability: "Washington's economic managers scaled these heights by their adherence to Keynes' central theme" that a modern economy can operate at "top efficiency" only with government "intervention and influence." So, "economists have descended in force from their ivory towers and now sit confidently at the elbow of almost every important leader in government and business, where they are increasingly called upon to forecast, plan and decide." Ten years later, the "misery index" -- the unemployment rate plus the inflation rate -- was 19.9, heading for 22 percent in 1980.

Today, again, we are told that "politics" has no place in the debate about the tripartite stimulus legislation, which is partly a stimulus, partly liberalism's agenda of social engineering, and partly the beginning of "remaking" the economy. Gary Wolfram of Hillsdale College notes that the size of the stimulus -- the House-Senate compromise bill is $789 billion -- is just slightly less than the amount of all U.S. currency in circulation, and is larger than the entire federal budget was until 1983. Yet it is said that in the debate about this encompassing legislation -- which concerns what government can and should do, and ultimately what kind of regime America shall have -- people should "transcend" (so says Larry Summers, the president's economic adviser) politics. What, then, would be left for political argument to be about?

It is said that the negligible Republican support for the stimulus legislation means that bipartisanship is dead. But what can "bipartisanship" mean concerning legislation that concerns almost everything?

John McCain probably was eager to return to the Senate as an avatar of bipartisanship, a role he has enjoyed. It is, therefore, a measure of the recklessness of House Democrats that they caused the stimulus debate to revolve around a bill that McCain dismisses as "generational theft."

The federal government, with its separation of powers and myriad blocking mechanisms, was not made for speed but for safety. This is particularly pertinent today because if $789 billion is spent ineffectively or destructively, government does not get to say "oops" and take a mulligan. Senate Republicans have slowed and altered the course of the "disaster! catastrophe!" stampede. Still, as Anthony Trollope wrote in one of his parliamentary novels, "The best carriage horses are those which can most steadily hold back against the coach as it trundles down the hill."

Not yet a third of the way through the president's "first 100 days," he and we should remember that it was not FDR's initial burst of activity in 1933 that put the phrase "100 days" into the Western lexicon. It was Napoleon's frenetic trajectory in 1815 that began with his escape from Elba and ended near the Belgian village of Waterloo.

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Obama/Fear
NATURE HAS A SUBTLE WAY OF WARNING US OF IMPENDING DIASTER. read it at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Warning

Well add to that Ann, Pelosi's earmark:
I hope we get this to the press. I have sent to Brian Ross of ABC but he has not got back.\\

Read Pelosi Tuna Earmark :
PresidentialBalls.com

george the best carraige horses!?????
they are all retired!now we have got a bunch of little ponys that think they know more than the clidesdales!

Batter Up, Georgy!
Did the titles of your column and that of Steve Chapman's get mixed up? He wrote, "Baseball's Persistent Drug Culture."

Will, you're the baseball know-it-all. What happened?

Did you, FINALLY, choke up a PETA-approved lamb chop bone after the Obamessiah deigned to grace your table?

Frankly, my dear, you have long based your opinions in lockstep with those in the Beltway Bubble and Martian elites. In the rest of the Country, Republicans and Fiscal Conservatives have long since cried, "FOUL"!

To the clubhouse you go! Now.


Conservatism's big mistake
Conservatism's big mistake is to claim that laissez-faire capitalism will always outperform big-government socialism. It won't so long as as the standards and measures of economic performance are subject to debate. Fear not, though, for liberals are now making the very same mistake with regard to big-government socialism. Their spending bill will increase unemployment and inflation while burdening American taxpayers for decades to come. In return, American taxpayers will get ever more invasive government intrusions into their lives, a host of sub-par services they reject in favor of ones they can afford to provide themselves, and a demonstration of the truth that Uncle Sam is the inverse of King Midas, that is, every bit of gold that Uncle Sam touches turns to manure.

When the cult of expertise...
goes up against common sense and intuition, claiming that it has on its side the force of reason and should thus prevail, then democratic society is in big trouble. It becomes a case of the technocrats going after power for power's sake, convinced that the 'people' are sheep.
Obama's 'certitude' that politics-as-usual is a 'bad habit' and that his team of experts alone can avert catastrophe is a sure sign that we have, as a polity, given up a large part of what being American is all about.

Obama and the dems
have instilled fear in those of us who know how to balance a checkbook.

Their lust for power knows no bounds, obviously.

Read Daschle's book
Since neither House nor Senate Republicans saw fit to complain about the new HealthCare Politburo that Democrats "slipped" into this bill, I wonder what it would take TO upset them. Specter, Collins and Snowe would OK the government stormtroopers coming into our homes and taking our children, as long they were told it was "bipartisan."

In Daschle's book about universal health care, he advocates slipping legislation mandating it into the first law to be passed in a new administration, because it is "too important to leave to Senate protocol." He also said that "Hillarycare" failed in the early 90s because the Clintons told the public "the details." And, he added, it was critical to get this coup d'etat done QUICKLY, before anyone could mount an opposition.

Get it? The biggest govt takeover of private enterprise is TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE TO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

A reader posted after my column this week, "we'll come out of this just fine, we always do, despite our 'leaders.' I appreciate his optimism and faith in the American public, but I disagree. We CANNOT survive elected leaders who cram things down our throats by fiat, without facts, information, committee hearings, debate, and discussion. If Republicans stand for that kind of usurpation of power, if they wither in the face of the wet-noodle accusation of being "partisan," then they are worthless.

Obama is a calculating liar. He didn't draft this bill, so he can claim "excusable ignorance" (as if there is such a thing) on its more insidious aspects - even though he wants them. And then he takes his case to the public - knowing that 99% of the public is 100% ignorant about 99% of the bill.

Conservatives should treat the word "bipartisan" as the political equivalent of "bisexual": you're just willing to get f*@ked by both sides.

The Obama Mantra
On this 200th anniversary of the birth of the nation's first Republican President, it is sad to witness his legacy and fellow Illinois attorney, Barack Obama, take part in financial boondoggle of a stimulus bill. Even worse, Lincoln would be disappointed by the negative attitude Obama has displayed since he took the oath of office. A real confidence-builder since Jan. 20.

Obama says he looked up to Abraham Lincoln and FDR. Well, we know he won't abandon his dangerous liberalism but could he at least dump the Obama Mantra to FDR's inaugural: The only thing we have to hope for is--hope itself!

Fear mongering
This is nothing new. It's just a page taken out of the liberal global warming handbook. It's amazing how well the old Soviet Union tactics work in modern times.

Laura61
Your post that discusses Daschle's comment that health care is "too important to be left to the legislative process" is chilling.

But...what should we expect from a Party that believes in Judicial Activism: using the courts to mandate policies that the legislative branch cannot/will not enact? The Left couldn't care less about democracy or the consitution. For the Left, their philosophy has all the trappings of a fundamentalist religion...and for those people the ends will always justify the means. Nothing so trite as the consistution will be allowed to stand in their "holy" and sanctimonious way.

Obama's Rules for Radical Change
Obama has to use fear to sell this stimulus bill because he knows it doesn't sell itself on its' merit and he knows that using fear works on his constituency.

He probably hasn't even read the whole stimulus bill. It is a very large bill and it's much easier for him to talk down and blame Republicans for everything. He has a lot of practice at it and it has worked for him so far so he'll continue to that tact.

I hope the Republicans stand strong. When this bill fails to bring back a prosperous economy, it will all be on him (and the Democrats). Unfortunately, we'll still pay the price. So I am afraid. Not of this economy, but of Obama and his plans for radical change in America.

its time to start marching
the time for this complaining is over. What has to happen now is to organize and hit the streets.Do it in your city. Organize. Don't talk, walk.

Obama's the worst of both worlds.
Carter was stupid, Clinton was crooked, and now we have someone who is both. And arrogant on top of it.

How ironic...there's absolutely no hope left but a revolution complete with bloodshed.

What is a crisis?
We've lost 1.8 million jobs in the last three months, and you people accuse Obama of phony hype? Our auto makers problems have not gone away either. If we lose them, we could lose another 3 million jobs real fast.

What do you people want, more Republican happy talk about how the fundamentals of the economy are strong?

You people are living in la la land.

Meet Dr. No!
There is nothing "universal" about Universal Healthcare.

Too old? Meet Dr. No

Recovered alcoholic needing a new liver? Meet Dr. No

Once smoked, but now found and needing a lung transplant? Meet Dr. No

Need a hip transplant, but are 10 pounds overweight? Meet Dr. No

Have a child with a 10% chance of survival? Meet Dr. No

Need medical treatment, because that Schip-covered illegal child needs cough syrup? Meet Dr. No

Need a proven, but expensive, medical treatment? Meet Dr. No, who uses a CBA (cost benefit analysis) to determine whether you should get it.

I could go on, but consider these: A British woman had to give birth on the floor because the hospital had already rationed all of the beds AND my French relatives, who pay 70% in taxes (which includes payment for socialized medicine), used to choose the US for medical care, are now thinking about Switzerland.

Lastly, when has the Government done anything correctly or cheaply?

Lesson for the day: Go look for that Social Security-Medicaid-Medicare lockbox, which both parties have looted since the begining of time. Get back to me when you find it.

Misplaced certainty
Talk about misplaced certainty: Will writes:" For liberals, "stimulus spending" is a classification that no longer classifies: All spending is, they are certain, necessarily stimulative."

In a sense ALL spending, wether government or not, is stimulative. But everyone acknowledges that some kinds of government spending is more stimulative than other kinds.


Liberals
Mara Liasson, I believe, comments that "maybe Obama should have written this bill himself."

Dear Dr. Summers and Company: If you see something amiss in this bill, something cataclysmically catastrophic, RESIGN. If not, let us all see together (it's too late now anyway) whether this approach works LONG TERM--or not.

An excellent piece of work, Dr. Will.

FINALLY!!!!
REPLY #5, ROBERT-SC.

PEOPLE LET US HEED ROBERT'S ADMONITION. TIME FOR ACTION IS N O W! We are past the stage of trying to make the other side see the light. LET US START LOCALLY , GET LIKE MINDED CONCERNED CITIZENS TO ACT NOW.

We need a new word for boondoggle
Get a reporter's steno pad and watch. There is sure to be a scandal a minute with all this money sloshing around. and there will be milllions of disappointed and disgruntled
seekers whose inflated expectations are dashed. Just start by realizing that infrqastructure projects are always sources of graft and cost overruns, Nancy's mouse should be good for a few laughs. 10,000 schools without a hitch? I don't think so.

WORDS JUST WORDS
i am 70 yrs old. i am reminded daily of my young son's admonishment of his slightly older sister. talkie, talkie talkie. what has george will EVER done to solve a problem.

Waterloo- here we come!
What the voters may never learn is that the interesting study of business activity, called economics, is totally useless as a predictor of the right course of action for the future. Keynes,like Marx was just dreaming with a set of false notions that do not work.

Free enterprise works, until greed is allowed to run away with the wealth created by a failed political process based on a healthy fear of God. Take God away and let the process steal and it will fail as we have seen.

There is no fix now. Socialism is not more productive, but neither is an uncontrolled system based on greed, and corruption.

Our next answer will be even worse. An Ayatollah that will decapitate whenever chopping off hands is inadequate to stimulate new fears needed to control the masses. Obama does not really advocate this, but he will inevitably have to embrace it.

WHAT HAS HE EVERY SOLVED
talking doesn't solve anything

Laura61
Thanks for the info on Daschle. Your last sentence is priceless. I couldn't agree more.

Phylo. Your belief in a government solution is the very definition of la la land. Please wake up from your coma. Cattle prods are very stimulative also. Please stop mooing.

No, Phylo!
It seems that chill running up your leg is just Obama picking your pocket.

On the other hand, you liberals seem to enjoy that kind of treatment.

Woody from Iowa

FEAR THIS!
Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Obama was crucial to him winning the Democratic nomination and the presidency. Senator Feinstein was the Master of Ceremonies at Obama's coronation. Harry Reid is Senate Majority Leader and Nancy Pelosi House Speaker. Roland Burris and Ted Kaufman filled Obama's and Biden's Senate seats. What do Kennedy, Feinstein, Reid, Pelosi, Burris and Kaufman have in common?

Click ApolloSpeaks for the answer.

About those fundamentals
What would be the effect of stimulating an economy that does not have strong fundamentals? Nothing. Remember that it is the 93% of people who are not unemployed who will rescue those who are by modifying their behavior. That is, as soon as the demogogues stop demonizing them.

Leading the lemmings...
Obama, and the rest of his cohorts in Congress are leading his supporter "lemmings" to the cliff! I only hope that the rest of those who aren't in line with them, see what's occurring!

The man is either not as intelligent as many think he is, or he's intentionally leading the nation into socialistic environs...Wake up America! It's time to smell the coffee!!! Or is that Koolaid that permeates the air!?

The impact of fear mongering
It is unfortunate that no one has asked the President how many jobs have been lost as the result of his fear mongering supported by the media and the Democrats. I were a business owner and I heard and read the constant drum beat of the "sky is falling", I am sure that I would be driven to cut my workforce and cut spending on my business. I am also sure that the drum beat of gloom and doom have slashed any incentive for customers to buy exacerbating the problem. If the truth be known, much of the continuing malaise could be the result of the constant negative hammering of the economy by the President, the media and the Democrats. A perfect but highly damaging example of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Can you say gun to your head?
That is how I have felt.

Another Classic!
Well said, Mr. Will. I have had the same opinion, but I, in my less than subtle way, could only say that Obama was a devious p---k. I have held positions of high esteem, and learned, very early, that becoming overly buoyed by having won the position, and rubbing folks' noses in it, rather than waiting carefully until you actually accomplish something, can waste important capital and make long-standing enemies. But, alas, I was never President.
Phylo: All spending is NOT stimulative. If you don't believe me, go out and spend 10X what you can afford, and see what happens. When you find you can't handle the interest on that debt, and you have to give it all back, you won't be stimulated. When a country spends beyond its means, it creates untenable debt and/or inflation. That is why CBO says that, net-net, we won't be stimulated by this package, and it will decidedly be UN stimulative in about six years. But heck, maybe we won't notice that for four years, and this swaggering Messiah will get reelected.

America deserves Obama
You were warned, I realize most of Townhall did not vote for the one. But we are stuck with him, at least I am until March 23, when I relocate to Tokyo. If you are in Washington or ever at one of the president townhall meetings have him explore ten years of stimulus by the Japanese that did not work. They call it the lost decade, stimulus packages is just a waste of time. VOTERS can stop Obama in 2010, polls can stop him even sooner, and if they stop attending his meetings with concert mentallity he will change course.

Bill
The fear-mongering is absolutely necessary. The economy MUST be kept down until this Porkulus bill is passed.

Obama and the Dems are in lockstep on this! All must continue talking down the economy, else it might begin its own recovery without their help. Then even the most mesmerized of the Obamabots might begin to question this level of frivolous spending, not to mention the first steps into socialized medicine.

Has anyone in the history of the country EVER before predicted that if massive amounts of government spending is not implemented NOW, then we might NEVER recover? I think not.

But then we've probably never before had a president who so held America in contempt. (Jimmy Carter might have come close, but even he couldn't and can't quite match Obama--though he continues to compete.)

Laura61
"Obama is a calculating liar."

It was the Republican-controlled Congress of the 1990's, six of Bill Clinton's eight years had a Republican Speaker of the House, the last six and most important, that ruthlessly cut our national security down to the bone.

Those Clinton administration defense cuts were actually Republican-controlled Congress defense cuts. These defense cuts put this nation in grave danger and led to 911. This country was unprepared because of Republican defense cuts.

If these odious and evidently godless Republicans are willing to lie about our national security can they be trusted about telling the truth regarding anything?


Phylo? Can You Meet Dr. No?
Not only are your personal records being put online for all the world to see, there is nothing "universal" about Universal Healthcare.

Too old? Meet Dr. No

Recovered alcoholic needing a new liver? Meet Dr. No

Once smoked, but now found and needing a lung transplant? Meet Dr. No

Need a hip transplant, but are 10 pounds overweight? Meet Dr. No

Have a child with a 10% chance of survival? Meet Dr. No

Recovered alcoholic needing a new liver? Meet Dr. No

Once smoked, but now found, and needing a lung transplant? Meet Dr. No

Can’t get medical treatment because that Schip-covered illegal child needs cough syrup? Meet Dr. No

Need a proven, but expensive, medical treatment? Meet Dr. No, who uses a CBA (cost benefit analysis) to determine whether you should get it.

I could go on, but consider these: A British woman had to give birth on the floor because the hospital had already rationed all of the beds AND my French relatives, who pay 70% in taxes (which includes payment for socialized medicine), used to choose the US for medical care, are now considering Switzerland.

Lesson for the day: Go look for that Social Security-Medicaid-Medicare lockbox, which both parties have looted since the beginning of time. Get back to me when you find it or beat him to the punch and just off yourself so that Dr. No gets his wish AND you get to deny the government of its “precious” tax revenues.

Lastly, when has the Government done anything correctly or cheaply?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kennedy wouldn't get treatment.
Biden would not have received treatment.

And, Phylo, you think that YOU would receive treatment? If I were you, I would be fearful.

Bill
You speak of fear mongering, hopefully you can remember that this country went to war nearly SIX years ago in Iraq because of the fear of "mushroom clouds."

It took FDR less than four years to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
This March, we will be passing the six year mark in the Iraq War. Republicans were
more interested in raising banners and proclaiming 'Mission Accomplished' than in
having an effective war policy.

FDR asked the country to accept rationing, buy war bonds and pay much more in taxes to defeat the Fascists of his time. The only way today's Republicans are willing to wage a
war on the Islamic-Fascists is to hang onto their precious tax cut and dump the entire cost of the war onto the national credit card. The Republican war cry for this decade is 'Let's go shopping!'

Democratic brillance????
How much purchasing power that could be used to buy homes, cars and other goods have been stripped from the economy by the Democrats. If TARP 2 and the stimulus packages are so brilliant and felt to be responsive to the current economic challenges, why does the market tank further every time the Democrats introduce their latest plan, stripping out more potential spendable income?

LACK OF CLOTHES
How kind of Mr. Will to gently scold the Newly Selected, although this inexperienced rookie has no lack of humility when it comes to voicing his non experienced business acumen or expose his hypocrisy when it comes to the tax payers dime for his beloved Jackass party.

Today he stands on the lectern and misquotes and misinterpets the intentions and deeds of President Lincoln and simply ignores American History, this is consistent with the way he ignores economics 101 and math.

Methinks this BOtus is Bogus and for a guy that is supposed to be really smart, I think that is smoke just like his credentials are mirrors with no image.....Need I apologize for my lack of kindness?

If you want to
tell ms Pelousy anything or Ms Harry Reid go to info@fairus.com and they will give you their phone numbers. Also they are trying to get people to call and tell them to re-authorise E-VERIFY which will expire with the passage of the stimulus bill. It only requires employers to verify the status of each employee they hire. It seem a travesty to ask for almost one trillion of tax payer money when illegal aliens can take the jobs they are supposed to be creating.

ONTIME
You are not qualified to be called an "Idiot",so I won't. This is not economics 101,in which "US" are involved. This alerts all thinking people to your incompetence. Have you ever read the "Peter Principle". Please do,it would help you. Hatred is a sad characteristic and is displayed only in "Darkness". OPPSSS.... Is that you "Stupid"?

The Future
What comes around...

When we regain power, we will do to them what they have done to us.



zapdoodat you
forget that FDR government programs turned a minor recession into the great depression. A depression that it took two wars, eight years, the death of millions and half the world wrecked to correct. So how many wars, how many years and how many millions dead and how much of the world wrecked will it take to correct obama's global depression?

Denise
"When we regain power, we will do to them what they have done to us."

You already have. And you spent and spend and spent.

It was Republicans (2001-2007) who spent more than the Democrats. They increased pork barrel spending from 3,000 to 14,000 projects a year, NOT PAID FOR.

They have engaged in a six year social engineering project in the Middle East that costs $120 billion a year and may well last another 100 years, NOT PAID FOR.

They have added another layer of entitlement spending that costs $50 billion a year called Medicare Prescription, NOT PAID FOR.

Mandated $4 billion a year in ethanol subsidies, as well as drastically increased cotton, sugar, soybean, corn, wheat handouts, NOT PAID FOR.

Doubled the size of the Department of Education, NOT PAID FOR.

GEORGE W. BUSH AND LINCOLN'S 200TH
Today February 12, 2009 on the bicentennial of Abraham Lincoln's birth I notice that it is the 43rd day of the year, not the 42nd or 44th day, but the 43rd-the presidency number of George W. Bush, not that of his predecessor or successor. Isn't this fitting? Who among these three men is closer to Lincoln's mighty spirit? Who is nearer to his principles, vision and ideals? Who best mirrors his honesty, courage and freedom loving heart? Not 42 who lied under oath, not 44 who said, "No more pork;" but President 43 who met the challenge of our enemies with the courage of his beliefs much as did Lincoln in fighting the South and the horror of slavery.

On this 43rd day of the year, the 200th birthday of our greatest leader, we celebrate George W. Bush who millions are wishing were still our President as very little of Lincoln lives in his successor, the anti-Lincoln Obama.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece: Barack Obama, Lincoln and the Image of Presidential Greatness



Richard
"forget that FDR government programs turned a minor recession."

Are you joking? Do minor recessions last three years?

"The initial crash occurred on Black Thursday (October 24, 1929), but it was the catastrophic downturn of Black Monday and Tuesday (October 28 and October 29, 1929) that precipitated widespread panic and the onset of unprecedented and long-lasting consequences for the United States."

FDR didn't become president until March, 1933, THREE AND HALF years later. The winter of 1932-33 was the point with the highest rate of bank failures. Hoover and his fellow Republicans nearly destroyed this country.


Richard
I know, that there are schools in Texas. Could you please try attending one or more. President Obama was sworn in on January 20,2009. Logic suggests that no one can destroy a country in 22 days. Your "Racism" maybe showing. Pull your skirt up? Sweetie...

Apollo
Lincoln didn't wage war to stop the horrors of slavery, but to "save" the Union. Read his letter to Horace Greeley sometime.

Lincoln, the greatest president? Some say, but most on TH will violently disagree. But Bush and Lincoln have this in common--trashing the Constitution for their own ends.


Zap
You are right. By the time FDR was sworn in, it was a major depression and it was the GOP that turned a major recession into a deep depression--and would again if they followed the advice of fools like Pat Buchanan. But what you must also note the New Deal programs didn't end the depression and some say actually extended it and if FDR had simply done nothing, the depression would have ended by 1936.

Akagi
"But what you must also note the New Deal programs didn't end the depression."

Sure, I can live with that. FDR and the economists of the time made many mistakes. Today's economists may not know what they are doing either.

But FDR gets an A for preparing this country for war and aiding Britain and Russia. The Republicans were like an ostrich putting its head into the ground.

And at the end of 20 years of Democrat rule we had become the mightiest country both militarily and economically.

The only way Republicans are willing to finance a war is with tax cuts and dumping the entire cost of such war onto the national credit card.



Hey Zap
You conveniently forget that the libs controlled the houses the second 4. Why didn't they try to stop the spending? Because a lot of it was theirs! Bush was an air head most times but let's put the blame where it belongs!!

eastlake joe
"You conveniently forget that the libs controlled the houses the second 4."

You're misinformed. The Speaker of the House has been a Republican from January, 1995 through January, 2007.

Twelve of the last 14 years.

zapdoodat
The recession was ending and the economy was turning up when FDR was elected. His spending and government programs turned that around and drove the economy into a major depression. Yea FDR and the democrats turn the USA into a world power and only had to wreck half the world to do so. Along with supporting mass murders like Stalin and Moa and helping to murder millions of Russians and Chinese. Great record that.

killer 22 days? Liberals have been in power for 20 years in those years they increase the national debt by 50%. If the congress follows through with obama pork package and they will in four years he will have doubled the national debt going form 7 trillions to 14 trillion by 2012. We started down this rowad 20 years ago however the present president not happly to let the country coast toward wreck and ruin has decided that we need to drive full speed down the hill off the clift.

Racism is the bedrock of liberalism killer something I never practice but liberals like you are masters of.

zapdoodat
eastlake joe said liberals and he is correct. Liberals have been in control of congress for 20 years in fact they have been in control of congress for 50 years. Republican or democratic no difference they are all liberals. In fact outside of eight years during Reagan liberals have had control of all three branchs of government since the early 1960's.

Certain no member of congress of either party since 1988 could honestly be called conservative or even moderate. The present group are all at best left of center.

Richard
"Liberals have been in control of congress for 20 years in fact they have been in control of congress for 50 years."

Sounds about right to me.

Ron Paul is no stinking liberal though.

Zap
We agree that he is not a lib but his association with certain racist groups has possibly forever hurt his chances of getting the W.H.

Richard
"The recession was ending and the economy was turning up when FDR was elected."

Now that's baloney. The worst of the worst of the Great Depression occurred during his President-elect period, from November, 1932 through March, 1933.

That period saw the highest bank rate failure in the 20th century. FDR shut down all the banks until some kind of government guarantee could be provided to depositers. FDIC insurance was passed sometime later.

The end of America
Obama and his liberal democrats will surly end our glorious history with a whimper. I don't think the country can weather this storm of stupidity. They are taking the country down the same old roads to certain doom.

The bank failures was not the
the low water mark of the great depression. There was much more and worst to come after that. The low water mark was reached 1937/1938 four years after FDR was elected.

The economy didn't start to recover till 1939 when FDR put the draft in place taking millions out of the job market.

obama and the democrat spending plan are going to do the same thing FDR's did. 2008 is not going to be the low mark its going to be the some place in the middle. We will not reach the low water mark till some time in 2012/2013, if we are luck.

Ron Paul isn't in control
Today I'd say 65% of congress is extreme liberal, 30% are left of center, 4% are right of center and 1% are true conservative.

Richard
"There was much more and worst to come after that. The low water mark was reached 1937/1938 four years after FDR was elected."

Must be Republican propaganda, similar to the concoction of 'Clinton Administration Defense Cuts.'

"By late in 1930, a steady decline set in which reached bottom by March 1933."

Check out this graph of the United State's industrial production from 1928-1939. It references the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1930Industry.svg

George Will
George Will is a member of CFR. How is supporting the agenda for the North American Union and ultimately one world gov "conservative"??? We will lose our constitution. Look at the EU model.

He is a globalist stooge, just like Bush and just like Obama.

What exactly did they discuss at that dinner party?

Will is a scumbag traitor and no conservative.

http://www.channelingreality.com/NAU/NAU_Main.htm


"The conspiracy facts are that Elite inner circle members of the Bilderbergs (BB), Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and Trilateral Commission (TC) are conspiring to politically and economically dominate the entire world under their New World Order, more recently called Globalization, or Global Union, Global Economy, Global Order, Global Environment, and like terms. When President G.H.W. Bush used the term New World Order in several of his speeches, it aroused suspicion and concern among the public. So, the Elite selected a generic term "Globalization" to use, and now Americans are no longer alarmed, because the business world uses this term daily, so it must not be so frightening. But, you cannot change a tiger's stripes. We're still talking about the New World Order."

Richard
GDP got back to 1929 levels by 1936 and never looked back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gdp20-40.jpg


Time for a Revolution
Jay in NC, you are right. It is time for a revolution for We The People to take back Power from Government. Our forefathers would be proud. Only, this time we shall not use guns. This time we shall use The Fair Tax bill (HR 25) that Rep Rangel (D, NY), Chair of the House Ways & Means Committee is holding off because he and other politicians and lobbyists do not want to give up their power to tax us and their power to pick winners and losers in the tax game they play on us.

IF we can shove The Fair Tax bill thru Congress by "massive grass roots" pressure, We The People can reinvent the American Economy by making it "TAX FREE". American dollars, over $13 Trillion of them held in tax haven off-shore banks, would flow to US Banks. Economic crises solved! IRS would be closed down, teh 16th Amendment repealed and all taxes IRS collects...income, corporate, estate, capital gains, AMT, etc. are null & void. The Fair Tax gives Americans 100% of their pay check, products can be produced for 22% less without IRS embedded taxes, "citizens" enjoy tax free spending up to the poverty level and we have an economy that would grow for generations.

IRS taxes are replaced with one simple federal sales tax of 23% which is inclusive with the sticker price, not added to it. With the other benefits mentioned above, we are far ahead, especially for low and middle income families who earn wages that are taxed from the first dollar earned and do not live on capital gains and interest/dividends like the wealthy.

Read The Fair Tax Book, go to http://www.fairtax.org, email your Member of Congress. Let's put the pressure on them to save the economy without borrowing a dime.

killer-GA
It has become VERY clear to me who the RACIST IS!! I don't recall any reference to Race..Think about it>>

Killer
If you are still out there, name one thing he promised that he has kept the promise on in those days. Change? His cabinet is all crooks or wild willy clinton hold-overs. All he has talked about is spend and spend some more where's the change in that? Open and above board? Then why the hand picked press? He was even overheard asking where one of them were. Why doesn't he take questions from ANY of the press? Because he's afraid of what they may ask!
You pull up your skirts girly as I'm not any where near racist! The poster before me didn't mention anything racist either!

Tax & Spend Redux
Didn't FDR raise taxes and advocate deficit spending? Of course he did! He thought John Maynard Keynes was the bee's knees.

Obama has dusted off Keynesian economics and truly thinks deficit spending will turn the country's economy around. It's never worked before.

Obama's water carriers are defending deficit spending (after vilifying it when Bush did it!)

Hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds.

eastlake joe
They call you racist because they can't debate with you. That's how a majority of liberals debate on this site. Kinda sad isn't it?

Obama's certitude gets an "F"
Someone should ask Obama if he's as certain of the stimulus bill succeeding as he was of the Iraq Surge failing. There's no reason to believe Obama is any more competent at economics than he was at military strategy.

The only thing we have to fear, is Hope and Change itself.

GnuCarSmell
Yes, good points! I think I'm seeing a pattern there . . .

It's like this baseball player who has a fantastic reputation in the minor leagues, but walked a LOT. When he get to the majors, he's expected to hit homers almost every time at bat 'cause that's what he keeps saying he's going to do. The fans are waiting but he keeps striking out. Eventually, the fans will recognize the truth: This player talks a great game, but he's, at best, average.

Getting out the message
Being 84 years old gives me a certain insight of the years of the
'emancipator' FDR and his so-called saving of America. The people of today's world do not know that beginning of WW2 put our people back to work, not the government. They don't know this because the media, who is staunchly for the democratic party, hasn't told us the truth.
I say this to you Mr. Will how do you get the message out to those misguided people that the media control. Letters to the Editors are
a sham. Either the media won't publish them or when they do, change the meaning of the recipient's ideas. I know it happens to me
all the time. The biggest culprit is The Bergen Record in New Jersey.
Putting the message in a conservative paper doesn't reach the media's slaves.

Last chace to STOP it - Contact Congress
The fight's not over yet! Both houses of Congress still have to vote again... and they still need to hear from you!

As you've heard by now, this so-called "stimulus" bill is nothing more than a pork-filled, Democrat spending bill.

It creates 32 NEW government programs. And it attempts to lay the foundation for government-run healthcare. All in the name of "stimulus"!

In the meantime, our national debt is already over TEN TRILLION dollars!

Tell Congress this madness has to stop!

Contact Republicans and tell them to stand strong.

Contact Democrats and threaten their re-election!

Click below and send a personalized message to your members of Congress today!

http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/campaign/cta/stop_spendi ng
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